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steve

Re: filter / meter testing

Wow, conufsing readings. In some cases one strip looks like the best, in others something else does.

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [eSens] filter / meter testing
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 3:19 PM
> Since we've had some discussions
> lately on power filters and
> meter readings, I grabbed a few things lying around the
> house
> and did some tests. All tests were conducted on a
> single
> outlet (with an outlet multiplier so everything could be
> plugged in). My noise source was a vacuum cleaner
> either
> plugged into the outlet or plugged into a filtering
> power strip. I also tested some "parallel" filters
> which
> filter the power without anything being plugged into them.
>
> Interestingly, the conclusions reached with the Stetzer
> meter are completely different than the conclusions
> one would reach with the Entech. And my personal
> experiences of what reduces my ES symptoms don't
> agree with the conclusions one would reach from
> any of these meter readings (which is why I usually
> don't care what the meter says).
>
> Baseline reading:
>
> Stetzer=120, Entech=20
> No vaccum, Furman PST-10D plugged in:
>
> Stetzer=83,   Entech=7
> No vacuum, Quantum outlet plugged in:
> Stetzer=100,
> Entech=44
> No vacuum, Blue Circle Power Line pillow plugged in:
> Stezter=80,   Entech=0.1
> No vacuum, PS Audio Noise Harvester plugged in:
> Stetzer=108, Entech=0.4
> No vacuum, Tripp Lite Isobar (new) plugged in:
>    Stetzer=155, Entech=6
> No vaccum, Power Sentry power strip plugged in:
> Stetzer=113, Entech=58
>
> Vacuum turned on, no filtering:
>
> Stetzer=1540, Entech=121
> Vacuum on, plugged into Furman PST-10D:
> Stetzer=399, Entech=7
> Vaccum on, plugged into Quantum outlet:
> Stetzer=1400, Entech=130
> Vaccum on, Blue Circle Power line pillow plugged in:
> Stetzer=499, Entech=3
> Vacuum on, PS Audio Noise Harvester plugged in:
> Stetzer=680, Entech=0.4
> Vacuum on, Tripp Lite Isobar (new) plugged in:
>    Stetzer=584, Entech=6
> Vacuum on, plugged into Power Sentry power strip:
> Stezter=104, Entech=0.5
>
> I also tried the Quantum Pro and also a Quantum Life
> HomeFree (knockoff
> product), and both were the same as the baseline readings.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
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Marc Martin

Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Administrator

In reply to this post by PUK

> Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?

I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome
to an extent via diet and supplements... and certainly with ES,
you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...

Marc

Loni Rosser

Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

In reply to this post by PUK

No I haven't seen it but I will look it up. Loni

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 3:49 PM

Puk replies - its not next door its over the road in a house 40m away !
The radiation travels through the mains cables in the street and the phone
cables and then in the air its a viscious circle. Have you seen my You tube
vid - Plasma TV RFI affecting electrosensitive ? parts 1 and 2

In a message dated 02/04/2010 16:49:58 GMT Daylight Time, loni326@yahoo. com
writes:

Yes I agree PUK. Wow, I didn't realize that a tv emf would travel next
door. Loni

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Loni Rosser

Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

When it is genetic I beleive you have to diminish tremedously your exposure. My experience thus far. Loni

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 7:35 PM

> Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?

I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome
to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,
you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...

Marc

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S Andreason

Re: Meter comparisons Was: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

In reply to this post by Steph Smith

Stephanie Smith wrote:
> , how do you go about doing a parasite cleanse?
>
Hi Steph,

Thanks,

I used /ParaGone/ from the health food store.
I also have heard of Young Living’s Parafree blend

Main problem, is I can't tell if I have them, or had them, or how
effective either treatment is.
I can say they did not show up as a primary problem, on any of my MSAS
or EAV accupressure testing.

Stewart

S Andreason

Re: Meter comparisons Was: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

In reply to this post by charles-4

Thank you for replying Charles,

charles wrote:
> you cannot change antennas from one meter to another.
> Certainly the Cornet does not have a calibration factor for another antenna
> as well as the cable.
>

Well yes, I knew that, but I was excited to get the Cornet to show any
signal in a remote area. I realize the numbers with an incorrect
antenna, are reduced to Detector mode.
I thought it very interesting the angle changed the results in the way
they did. It asks if the rocks here are conductive in an unusual way.

I wanted to evaluate the meter first, before spending more on Cornet
antennas.
The meter works very nicely in close proximity to transmitters.
It looks like external antennas are going to be required to be useful in
rural areas.

> Did you *install* the right type of antenna as well as the cable on the
> Spectran?
>
Yes, and I check the cable entry often, as it seems to forget or reset
that one entry sometimes.

> Did you upgrade the hardware to Version 2.2 ?
>
No.
It looks like I have been using 1.02

After flashing the firmware to 2.2
I notice the floor level is changed upward, so I see less signals. In
many cases, no signals.
That is not psycologically encouraging, when I'm trying to find weak
signals, instead of having a meter says there is nothing there, when I
can feel there is something there I seek to find.

> Trying to find those 5.8 GHz modems with a setting of 5280 with zero span is
> not right.
>

Okay...

> Why don't you use a laptop with the excellent LCS software. Than you can
> measure around 5.15, 5.25, 5.47 and 5.725 GHz.
>

I occasionally use the laptop. But it bothers me. It is most useful to
record from the usb connection.

With firmware back at 1.02, I can see signals on those settings or
profiles you suggest.

Now with 2.2 it is blank at RBW 3Mhz.
In fact everything above 3 Ghz at 3Mhz RBW is blank.

But if I change the RBW to 1MHz bandwidth, then I can still see them,
and at the same strength.

My spectrum graphs no longer compare to previous years. I've now updated
that page too.

> And you can look more specifically, and change settings more easily.
>
But the profiles provided are lacking. I added some more screenshots to
my pages to demonstrate the hunt.
I can find cel-phone signals very nicely, but those frequencies are not
what is bothering me.

The problem is trying to find unknown frequencies, that are not in the
profile list.

Stewart
--
http://seaHorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

Marc Martin

Re: ALA

Administrator

In reply to this post by steve

> I'm sure whatever I need I already have in my vitamin store i call a
> kitchen cabinet

Yes, I personally find my vitamin cabinets rather embarrassing.
Although I've seen on other groups that the definition of being "cured"
means that you don't need to take any supplements at all. That would
be nice...

Also, on the subject of mercury chelators, I should note that ALA
has a reputation for being very good at liberating metals stored
inside of organs, fatty tissues, etc. into the bloodstream, but may have
a tendency to "drop" them before they make their way out of the body.
Thus the reason for taking it every 3 hours. There are other supplements
that have a reputation for NOT dropping metals before they get
out of the body (OSR#1, liquid zeolite), but these seem to have less
ability to liberate the metals from certain areas of the body (I say
this based on my own personal experience and the experiences of others).
So it may be necessary to use different things, either in parallel or
sequentially. For example, if I do a 3-day "round" of ALA, I usually
immediately follow it up with a few doses of OSR#1 to clean up the
leftover metals that the ALA didn't get out.

Marc

steve

Re: ALA

How about just taking cilantro and chlorella to get the metals out? NAC also and selenium. I saw that program with ALA dosing schedule of every hour or 3 hours, even at night when you are trying to sleep, that's insane, no way on earth I'm doing that to myself.

--- On Mon, 4/5/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] ALA
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 12:05 PM
> > I'm sure whatever I need I
> already have in my vitamin store i call a
> > kitchen cabinet
>
> Yes, I personally find my vitamin cabinets rather
> embarrassing.
> Although I've seen on other groups that the definition of
> being "cured"
> means that you don't need to take any supplements at
> all. That would
> be nice...
>
> Also, on the subject of mercury chelators, I should note
> that ALA
> has a reputation for being very good at liberating metals
> stored
> inside of organs, fatty tissues, etc. into the bloodstream,
> but may have
> a tendency to "drop" them before they make their way out of
> the body.
> Thus the reason for taking it every 3 hours. There are
> other supplements
> that have a reputation for NOT dropping metals before they
> get
> out of the body (OSR#1, liquid zeolite), but these seem to
> have less
> ability to liberate the metals from certain areas of the
> body (I say
> this based on my own personal experience and the
> experiences of others).
> So it may be necessary to use different things, either in
> parallel or
> sequentially. For example, if I do a 3-day "round" of
> ALA, I usually
> immediately follow it up with a few doses of OSR#1 to clean
> up the
> leftover metals that the ALA didn't get out.
>
> Marc
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
>

Marc Martin

Re: ALA

Administrator

> How about just taking cilantro and chlorella to get the metals out?

Some doctors do suggest this, and I certainly have had some success
in using NDF, which is a mixture of both. However, others maintain
that in extremely toxic/sensitive people, this may just make your
problems worse due to unsafe distribution of metals. The only
way to know for sure is to try it and see what the side effects
and benefits are like, and stop it if things go bad. All I know
is that after taking NDF for years, I'm *not* cured. Maybe
I wouldn't be with ALA either (?)

> I saw that program with ALA dosing schedule of every
> hour or 3 hours, even at night when you are trying to sleep, that's
> insane, no way on earth I'm doing that to myself.

That is a common reaction, and in fact was *my* reaction for many
years. But in reality this is not so horrible -- you can take
it every 4 hours overnight, so I take a dose as I'm going to
bed, once in the middle of the night (with an alarm to wake me),
and then when I wake up in the morning (11pm, 3am, 7am). It's
not so bad really. I'll typically wake up and fall back asleep
during the night anyway. The only difference is that I have
an alarm and take a pill.

Marc

Marc Martin

Re: chlorella

Administrator

> > How about just taking cilantro and chlorella to get the metals out?

Oh, note also that some brands of chlorella are contaminated with
heavy metals to start with, so you may get a bad reaction not
from the chlorella, but from the contamination! Here is a good
brand that I've used lately:

http://www.prime-chlorella.com/

I've only found this online.

Marc

Ian Kemp

RE: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

In reply to this post by BiBrun

Bill, interesting point on Wikipedia. I helped to generate the original
page on electrosensitivity about 3 years ago. I tried to keep it objective
and balanced, but after a few months I got engaged in a "revert war" with
some guys with strongly sceptical views and found I was outnumbered. I
found it was actually causing me a lot of emotional stress, so I gave up
editing the page and have not even dared to go back and look at it for the
last 2 years to see where it has evolved to!

Ian

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bill
Bruno
Sent: 01 April 2010 04:43
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi

If anyone really wants to help I can give them Arthur's phone number.
Another thing that might help is to learn the rules of Wikipedia so you can
help build consensus on things like the electrosensitivity page and Arthur's
page. But don't even try to edit controversial pages like that unless you
know the rules like 3rr and sock puppets.

Bill

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> So what can we do to back Arthur? Help our cause! Loni
>
> --- On Wed, 3/31/10, Bob Connolly
> <[hidden email]<robert_connolly%40rogers.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Bob Connolly
> <[hidden email]<robert_connolly%40rogers.com>
> >
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 3:49 PM
>
>
> Well - I agree his lawsuit is a bit "Out there" but the "out there" stuff
> gets publicity - lots of publicity. He could bring action against his
> public library with wifi. But that's not going to get press. But
> suing your neighbour - that gets in the tabloids! And that's the
> point. Public awareness. We have been shut out for too long - running
> away - hiding in the woods.
>
> But when the magazines such as GQ, and Prevention, and Popular Science
> and the LA times come out to our aid - they do this for a reason -so
> we have a voice - and Arthur sees that the media is no longer afraid
> to loose their advertising dollars from the wireless industry - He
> decides it time to ride the wave. And it's working - it's spreading -
> people joke about it - but it does cause people to think.
>
> Sara Palin does dumb things too - but she's great press....
>
> On 2010-03-31, at 6:34 PM, Marc Martin wrote:
>
> > > He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a
> > > stand
> -
> > > to make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader -
> martin
> > > luther king. In France - they rise up and protest -
> >
> > Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could
> > end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,
> > having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a bit
> > silly.
> >
> > Marc
> >
>
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Ian Kemp

RE: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

In reply to this post by Loni Rosser

Hi Loni, don't quite understand why you feel it would be "impossible to
sell" your house. To be honest, 95% or even 99% of people looking to buy a
house will not be bothered - after all, virtually all houses have cell
towers or wifi somewhere nearby. Only the small proportion of severely ES
people are likely to have a major issue with this such that it would affect
their choice of which house to buy. Or do you mean there are other reasons
- e.g. house prices have fallen severely in your area due to the recession?
Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Loni
Sent: 01 April 2010 01:16
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Well I didn't realize my sensitivities until way after I bought this house
where I am surrounded by neighbors & cell towers. Now it is impossible to
sell as we all know.

Loni

--- On Wed, 3/31/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.
<mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com> com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com> com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 3:23 PM

> Is that right for her not to make the changes needed in order for him to
> be able to live!?

Yes, but I'm sure she feels that she has a right to do certain things in
her house as well...

(someone this sensitive should probably live where there are no nearby
neighbors)

Marc

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Marc Martin

RE: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Administrator

In reply to this post by Ian Kemp

> Bill, interesting point on Wikipedia. I helped to generate the
> original page on electrosensitivity about 3 years ago. I tried to keep
> it objective and balanced, but after a few months I got engaged in a
> "revert war" with some guys with strongly sceptical views and found I
> was outnumbered. I found it was actually causing me a lot of
> emotional stress, so I gave up editing the page and have not even
> dared to go back and look at it for the last 2 years to see where it
> has evolved to!

Yes, unfortunately Wikipedia can stray from "the truth" due to other
people's ignorance. I would find it frustrating to engage with such
people, so I don't. At least we haven't had the problem on "eSens"
where people subscribe to argue about the existence of ES (and I would
throw them off the group anyway, as this group makes an implicit
assumption that it *does* exist!)

Marc

Loni Rosser

RE: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

In reply to this post by Ian Kemp

Ian,

Yes I mean the recession, not the cell towers. Most people won't care aboutthat.

Loni

--- On Mon, 4/5/10, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 1:25 PM

Hi Loni, don't quite understand why you feel it would be "impossible to
sell" your house. To be honest, 95% or even 99% of people looking to buy a
house will not be bothered - after all, virtually all houses have cell
towers or wifi somewhere nearby. Only the small proportion of severely ES
people are likely to have a major issue with this such that it would affect
their choice of which house to buy. Or do you mean there are other reasons
- e.g. house prices have fallen severely in your area due to the recession?
Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Loni
Sent: 01 April 2010 01:16
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Well I didn't realize my sensitivities until way after I bought this house
where I am surrounded by neighbors & cell towers. Now it is impossible to
sell as we all know.

Loni

--- On Wed, 3/31/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.
<mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 3:23 PM

> Is that right for her not to make the changes needed in order for him to
> be able to live!?

Yes, but I'm sure she feels that she has a right to do certain things in
her house as well...

(someone this sensitive should probably live where there are no nearby
neighbors)

Marc

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Marc Martin

RE: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Administrator

> Yes I mean the recession, not the cell towers. Most people won't care
> about that.

It can also be difficult to find a house when their are other family
members (or pets) that have their own requirements. My current house
is far from perfect from an EMF standpoint, but it didn't seem likely
that we were going to find anything better based on the various
other considerations.

Marc

BiBrun

Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

In reply to this post by Ian Kemp

I want to avoid taking sides in Arthur's lawsuit, but I will mention
one thing that is public knowledge, that he began having problems
when he was in med school and underwent 40 or 50 dental x-rays.
I think it's plausible the damage from that is not easily fixed.

I do think it's good advice to improve health to reduce sensitivity,
but people also have constraints... for some a $30 bottle of supplements
is unaffordable, for others eating meat is unethical or against their
religion, and then there are people (including one fighting cancer)
who will say they can't live without wi-fi!

I know a lot of people have found things that help them, but
I haven't seen too many reports on this list of something that
was helpful for most of those who tried it. I hope someone
will make a list of such things that did work for most.

Bill

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>wrote:

>
>
> Bill, interesting point on Wikipedia. I helped to generate the original
> page on electrosensitivity about 3 years ago. I tried to keep it objective
> and balanced, but after a few months I got engaged in a "revert war" with
> some guys with strongly sceptical views and found I was outnumbered. I
> found it was actually causing me a lot of emotional stress, so I gave up
> editing the page and have not even dared to go back and look at it for the
> last 2 years to see where it has evolved to!
>
> Ian
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Bill
> Bruno
> Sent: 01 April 2010 04:43
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi
>
> If anyone really wants to help I can give them Arthur's phone number.
> Another thing that might help is to learn the rules of Wikipedia so you can
> help build consensus on things like the electrosensitivity page and
> Arthur's
> page. But don't even try to edit controversial pages like that unless you
> know the rules like 3rr and sock puppets.
>
> Bill
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Loni <[hidden email]<loni326%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > So what can we do to back Arthur? Help our cause! Loni
> >
> > --- On Wed, 3/31/10, Bob Connolly
> > <[hidden email] <robert_connolly%40rogers.com>
> <robert_connolly%40rogers.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Bob Connolly
> > <[hidden email] <robert_connolly%40rogers.com>
> <robert_connolly%40rogers.com>
>
> > >
> >
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 3:49 PM
> >
> >
> > Well - I agree his lawsuit is a bit "Out there" but the "out there" stuff
> > gets publicity - lots of publicity. He could bring action against his
> > public library with wifi. But that's not going to get press. But
> > suing your neighbour - that gets in the tabloids! And that's the
> > point. Public awareness. We have been shut out for too long - running
> > away - hiding in the woods.
> >
> > But when the magazines such as GQ, and Prevention, and Popular Science
> > and the LA times come out to our aid - they do this for a reason -so
> > we have a voice - and Arthur sees that the media is no longer afraid
> > to loose their advertising dollars from the wireless industry - He
> > decides it time to ride the wave. And it's working - it's spreading -
> > people joke about it - but it does cause people to think.
> >
> > Sara Palin does dumb things too - but she's great press....
> >
> > On 2010-03-31, at 6:34 PM, Marc Martin wrote:
> >
> > > > He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a
> > > > stand
> > -
> > > > to make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader -
> > martin
> > > > luther king. In France - they rise up and protest -
> > >
> > > Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could
> > > end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,
> > > having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a bit
> > > silly.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> >
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> >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
> >
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steve

Re: ALA

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

I guess who really knows if any of this is helpful and/or safe?
As for the ALA schedule I already have insomnia and if I set my alarm to take it I'm not getting back to sleep. Ain't gonna happen!
I think I'll just try the cilantro/chlorella liquid I bought, along with NAC and see how i react.
First I have to get the last filling out of my mouth. Next come the crowns.

I assume you stay away from tuna? I am contemplating switching to sardines as i still eat a can of tuna/week.

--- On Mon, 4/5/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] ALA
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 12:48 PM
> > How about just taking cilantro
> and chlorella to get the metals out?
>
> Some doctors do suggest this, and I certainly have had some
> success
> in using NDF, which is a mixture of both. However,
> others maintain
> that in extremely toxic/sensitive people, this may just
> make your
> problems worse due to unsafe distribution of metals.
> The only
> way to know for sure is to try it and see what the side
> effects
> and benefits are like, and stop it if things go bad.
> All I know
> is that after taking NDF for years, I'm *not* cured.
> Maybe
> I wouldn't be with ALA either (?)
>
> > I saw that program with ALA dosing schedule of every
> > hour or 3 hours, even at night when you are trying to
> sleep, that's
> > insane, no way on earth I'm doing that to myself.
>
> That is a common reaction, and in fact was *my* reaction
> for many
> years. But in reality this is not so horrible -- you
> can take
> it every 4 hours overnight, so I take a dose as I'm going
> to
> bed, once in the middle of the night (with an alarm to wake
> me),
> and then when I wake up in the morning (11pm, 3am,
> 7am). It's
> not so bad really. I'll typically wake up and fall
> back asleep
> during the night anyway. The only difference is that
> I have
> an alarm and take a pill.
>
> Marc
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Re: chlorella

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

didn't know that, I will look into it. I guess pure chlorophyl could be an option also?

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> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] chlorella
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 1:22 PM
> > > How about just taking
> cilantro and chlorella to get the metals out?
>
> Oh, note also that some brands of chlorella are
> contaminated with
> heavy metals to start with, so you may get a bad reaction
> not
> from the chlorella, but from the contamination! Here
> is a good
> brand that I've used lately:
>
> http://www.prime-chlorella.com/
>
> I've only found this online.
>
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RE: Famous people with ES

In reply to this post by Loni Rosser

Probably the highest-profile ES sufferer who is strongly active is Brian
Stein who runs a major food company in the UK. He has built a shielded room
to sleep in and has to avoid mobile phones and computers in his office at
work. So it certainly still affects his life, even though he has the
resources to help deal with it. He provides a lot of practical support to
ES networks in the UK and is on the board of ES-UK.

Ironically, the former Director-General of the World Health Organisation, Dr
Gro Harlem Brundtland (also previous Prime Minister of Norway and a medical
doctor), was reported as suffering from ES in an interview in 2002. Since
then, there seems to have been a deafening silence on this - all articles
since then seem to refer back to that original interview. So I don't know
whether it was confirmed or denied, or whether she got better or still has
the symptoms. It's a great pity that there have been no clarifications
since - she may be keeping her head down! Her ES seems to be at "moderate"
level as she reacted specifically to mobile phones but there was no report
of other electrical equipment affecting her. Brian Stein's would certainly
be at "severe" level.

Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Loni
Sent: 01 April 2010 16:27
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi and new
ElectroSensitiveSociety.com

Jennie,

Great idea.

The thing about a famous person having ES. I have thought about it & they
have the means to get away from it and or shield themselves so don't know if
that will ever help us. Would be a good thing however.

Loni

--- On Wed, 3/31/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech.
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From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. <mailto:ad-in%40ameritech.net> net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi and new
ElectroSensitiveSociety.com
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:58 PM

I agree we need to educate the public but we should not alienate them in the
process. Be honest with yourself, if you or someone close to you did not
suffer from EMS what would you think if your neighbor told you your
electronic equipment was making them ill?

We need to educate the public with well thought out dialog not anger. I hope
all of you have taken the time to send an e-mail to the parties involved in
this lawsuit to let them know there is unfortunately a growing community of
people who suffer from EMS.

Yes, there will be publicity because of the lawsuit and depending on the
slant the media takes it could make people who suffer from MCS seem like
they should not be taken seriously. What we need is someone of notoriety to
be an advocate for us. Sooner or later that will be the case when someone
famous comes down with EMS. I believe someone sited Martin Luther King in a
previous post. He was a great man who did great things but change did not
happen over night. This process will take time but we need to stick with it
for the health of future generations.

The cell tower that effects me is placed next to the water tower (I don't
know if EM is bad for water but I have to assume it's not good) by the
Freshman Center and not far from the High School. I live in one of the
largest school districts in my state. If my children were in school, I would
not send them to these schools.

Best to you,

Jennie

Jennie

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From: Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 6:36:28 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi and new ElectroSensitiveSoc
iety.com

Great soundbite! Come on Bill - follow his lead join his task force. We all
know that the WIFI is going to stay until she turns it off from the
publicity that's going to be forced on her.

Next is the schools..... .Mothers that will not allow their children in a
school with WIFI.

On 2010-03-31, at 6:15 PM, Bill Bruno wrote:

> He was quoted in the recent story as saying:
> "I'm not after publicity," he said. "I just want to live. I want my home."
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@
rogers.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> This is how Arthur wants his resume to read on the Electrosensitive
Society

>> Website.
>>
>>>> Arthur Firstenberg is the founder and president of the Cellular Phone
>> Task
>>> Force. In 1997 the Task Force was the lead litigant in a challenge
>> brought by over 50 citizens groups against the FCC≠s limits for human
>> exposure to radio frequency
>>> radiation.
>>
>> He knows that lawsuits bring attention to a cause. I believe that he

wants
>> to have her stop the WIFI radiation - but he does want to make this
illness

>> public. Now is the time folks. The media is listening. Time to make your
>> voice heard.
>>
>> When Popular Science magazine sends out the signal...... ..
>>
>> On 2010-03-31, at 5:32 PM, Bill Bruno wrote:
>>
>>> I know Arthur and I don't think I or anyone should claim to speak on his
>>> behalf about his situation or his lawsuit.
>>>
>>> I know that he tried to resolve it without going to court and I believe
>> he
>>> offered to hire a mediator.
>>>
>>> I certainly would recommend to start off by trying to be nice to the
>>> neighbor, but I had neighbors that I could never convince of the
>> problems,
>>> despite having a Ph.D. in physics.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Bob Connolly <
>> robert_connolly@ rogers.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> To this newsgroup:
>>>>
>>>> Arthur Fistenberg is the person that is suing his neighbour over WIFI.
>> If
>>>> you are wondering why he is doing this, it's because he is trying to
>> bring
>>>> EHS into the public mainstream - not to make them shut it off.

Awareness
>>>> usually happens via lawsuits - not good causes. We should all be
>> thankful
>>>> that he is doing this because he knows it's not a battle that he can
win

>>>> alone - but if enough of us step up to the plate and speak about the
>> problem
>>>> to a courtroom in addition to each other on this message board - that
>> will
>>>> generate awareness in the media and then perhaps the symptoms that he
>> speaks
>>>> about will be recognized by the general public. "Hey - I get headaches
>> too
>>>> when I speak on a cellphone" the public might realize.
>>>>
>>>> Right now - I know of a person that is suing her landlord for putting
>> cell
>>>> towers on the roof of her apartment 2 months ago. She is now
>>>> electrosensitive. The whole top floor of the apartment has moved out.
>> She
>>>> now has to prove that she is electrosensitive and needs to find a

doctor
>>>> that will diagnose her.
>>>>
>>>> She has a good lawyer that is taking this on for almost free. He used
to
>> be
>>>> with the minister of health for the province of Ontario and has now
gone

>> to
>>>> the other side. She has city councillors sending letters to wireless
>>>> providers and they have told them to remove them. Magda Havas is
>> testifying
>>>> , making awareness of the situation on her website, creating a new EHS
>>>> website, and is bringing some of her associates to testify too.
>>>>
>>>> If you go to magdahavas.com - you can see a video that Dr. Havas made
>>>> about this woman and it shows the antennas that they placed right over
>> the
>>>> balcony. The towers are about 4 feet away from her. To the councellors
>> and
>>>> the lawyer and Magda Havas - this landlord and the telephone company
>> stepped
>>>> across the line putting them so close to her balcony - and her roof is
>> just
>>>> tar and gravel.
>>>> The cell tower radiation came right through the roof into her bedroom -
>> at
>>>> about 2 to 5,000 uWattsm2
>>>> Can you imagine sleeping in that for 2 months?
>>>>
>>>> It's criminal and now even the common sense from the city councellors
>> and
>>>> lawyers are prevailing that this has gone way too far. Bell has even
>> turned
>>>> the cell towers off - but there are other co-located towers that are
>> on.
>>>>
>>>> This woman is not suing for damages - she refuses to let anyone else
>> move
>>>> into the apartment because they will just become ill too. So - she just
>>>> abandoned the apartment - left her furnishings there - and is living in
>> a
>>>> bacement of a friend - she does not want anyone to move into the
>> apartment
>>>> - they will just becomes ill like her. Even the city of Toronto's

public
>>>> health department agrees the safety levels are way too high.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone out there has a doctor that has prescribed their illness as
>> EHS -
>>>> this woman needs to know the name so her lawyer can move quickly to
make

>> a
>>>> case.
>>>>
>>>> Magda Havas has decided to start a new website with a mission to prove
>> that
>>>> EHS is real. With real proof that it exists using studies she has
>> published
>>>> amongst others. It is in production now and the final will be available
>> in 2
>>>> weeks. It will feature doctors, lawyers and scientists and YOU
>> hopefully -
>>>> who all will attempt to prove that this illness is real to judges and
>>>> doctors.
>>>>
>>>> You can help by telling your story on this site as there will be a case
>>>> history section.
>>>> This site will be a place that lawyers and doctors can get information.
>> It
>>>> will have the latest research papers.
>>>>
>>>> Here is where the site is located now and has some initial information
>>>> about EHS in PDF format . rewire.me eMagazine is now edited my magda
>> havas
>>>> and is currently getting ready for the second addition.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ElectroS ensitiveSociety. com
>>>>
>>>> It's going to be just like any other society like the American Cancer
>>>> Society. She wants to have local chapters all over the world.
>>>>
>>>> So - if you would like to make a difference - please go to this site -
>> sign
>>>> up - and Magda will be in touch with you shortly to place your "case
>>>> history" on the site or any other infomation that you can share about
>>>> solutions to the illness.
>>>>
>>>> Arthur is the first person to submit "Case History" information to the
>>>> site. Magda - needs your story too.
>>>>
>>>> Here is some information about Arthur Firstenberg - the person that is
>>>> suing their neighbour over WIFI.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Arthur Firstenberg is the founder and president of the Cellular Phone
>> Task
>>>> Force and the author of Microwaving Our Planet: The Environmental

Impact
>> of
>>>> the Wireless Revolution (Cellular Phone Task Force 1996). From 1997 to
>> 2002,
>>>> he was the editor of the journal No Place To Hide.
>>>> Since 1996, the Task Force has provided a global clearinghouse for
>>>> information about wireless technology≠s injurious effects, and a
>> national
>>>> support network for people disabled by this technology. In 1997 the
Task
>>>> Force was the lead litigant in a challenge brought by over 50 citizens
>>>> groups against the FCC≠s limits for human exposure to radio frequency
>>>> radiation.
>>>> Articles by Firstenberg or about his work have appeared in Mother
Jones,

>>>> The Ecologist, Earth Island Journal, Vegetarian Times, Village Voice,
>> Utne
>>>> Reader, Santa Fe New Mexican, San Francisco Chronicle, and other
>> newspapers
>>>> and magazines. His work has been translated into Spanish, French,
>>>> Portuguese, Dutch, Italian, Danish, Japanese, and Chinese.
>>>> After graduating Phi Beta Kappa from Cornell University with a B.A. in
>>>> mathematics, he attended the University of California, Irvine School of
>>>> Medicine from 1978 to 1982. Injury by
>>>> x-ray overdose cut short his medical career. For the past 29 years he
>> has
>>>> been a researcher, consultant and lecturer on the health and
>> environmental
>>>> effects of electromagnetic radiation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2010-03-31, at 2:34 PM, Marc Martin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I hope he wins the law suit. Loni
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, I think this person should spend more effort trying to get
>>>>> better, rather than suing his neighbors. I mean, the wi-fi coming
>>>>> from my neighbors house bothers me too, but I would never think
>>>>> of suing them!
>>>>>
>>>>> Marc
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Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

In reply to this post by BiBrun

Yes it does seem like an individual thing but it seems to me that the sensitivity is causes by something that we all have in common. No research to find out what the common denomonator is which is unfortunate.

Hopefully in the future there will be more done for us. Loni

--- On Mon, 4/5/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 1:49 PM

I want to avoid taking sides in Arthur's lawsuit, but I will mention
one thing that is public knowledge, that he began having problems
when he was in med school and underwent 40 or 50 dental x-rays.
I think it's plausible the damage from that is not easily fixed.

I do think it's good advice to improve health to reduce sensitivity,
but people also have constraints... for some a $30 bottle of supplements
is unaffordable, for others eating meat is unethical or against their
religion, and then there are people (including one fighting cancer)
who will say they can't live without wi-fi!

I know a lot of people have found things that help them, but
I haven't seen too many reports on this list of something that
was helpful for most of those who tried it. I hope someone
will make a list of such things that did work for most.

Bill

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