Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Yes I agree PUK. Wow, I didn't realize that a tv emf would travel next door. Loni

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PUK replies - I swear to God I would happily blow a few thousand pounds on
suing the couple who are making my life a misery with their Plasma TV.
Even if I knew I would loose I would love to see their vindictive control
freakish smug faces in a court of law. The lady being sued by Fistenburg said
she simply gave up complying with his wishes and live as she would like, -
Kinda selfish and childish mindset going on here it seems ? I feel for
Arthur in his plight, it really should be incumbent on a "user" of these
polluting technologies to ensure that where expressed their "habits" do notcause
hardship of health impacts to others, particularly where is concerns
someones home(santuary) so basically the lady should be told to thoroughly screen
her house to stop the waves from entering his property it is her muck that
she is spreading, she should clean up her act, so many people should check
into a rehap to break this addiction and to explore the real reason why
they defend so vigorously their (in-human) right to use it versus the well
being of another human-being.

The thing that really gets me is when I tell some people about my problem
with the Plasma TV a common reply is - well he is entitled to watch his TV
! Yes is my reply of course, but he is not entitled to pollute my home
(some 50m away)with radiation that is so relentless and that he controls at
the flick of a switch knowing that it causes me great discomfort and damages
my health and well being, my rights here should be paramount when the
solution could be as simple as replacing the TV. Its human rights vs in-human
rights

The House of SIM CARDS, a fragile refuge of a generation that will have
forgoten they are flesh and blood when finally their batteries run dry and
down it falls without warning and once again they will gaze into human eyes.


In a message dated 02/04/2010 01:19:52 GMT Daylight Time,
snoshoe_2@yahoo. com writes:

I think it would depend on the situation if I'd sue.
I'd like surrounding neighbors to not use their wireless items, but as it
is now if I was to take action it would be against the providers.

Now if the neighbors were deliberately harrassing with it, or being
obnoxious as some neighbors are, that might be another story.

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No you should not be ashamed but society makes us feel that way. When I hadcompany here & snuck out to sleep at the park I just said "screw it" I am what I am and I'm going to do what I need to feel better. Loni

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PUK replies - Suing you neighbour rarely comes out of a whim, and is likely
a last resort if nothing else due to the expense, but the TV issue is a
problem, imagine you sit in a flat or a semi-detatched house and your sofa is
positioned on the dividing wall and along comes your neighbour and puts up
like a picture on the otherside of the wall, ussually no thicker than
260mm (could equally be a baby sleeping in a cot) a Large television wetherits
LCD or Plasma coming from our point of veiw you are in big trouble, I
would go so far as saying that these highly radiative devices should have a
warning sticker on them in this regard. But in my case with the Plasma TV as
you know and as I have demonstrated on youtube (Plasma TV RFI) this swamps
my house daily, and I put the person on notice 18 months ago re the problem
and he as good as spat at me ! He has a smug look on his face as if to say
you cant touch me ! Well like I say this situation would make good grounds
for suing on the basis of personal injury, phychological torture... this
case would have legs, it can be readily demonstrated that the problem exists
which in anyones mind would generate curiosity how this can occur from
such a distance from a comercial TV set - Just need the funds and I would be
on this case like a rat up a drain pipe !!!! I am not ashamed to be ES !!!

PUK

In a message dated 01/04/2010 23:06:13 GMT Daylight Time, stephen_vandev
ijvere@yahoo. com writes:

Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could
> end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,
> having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a
> bit silly.
>
> Marc

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> Well I think Paul is struggling with the emf from the plasma of his
> neighbor already a copple of years?. if it could be easily solved with some
> emf-protection I suppose he would've found it by now.

Not necessarily. Over the years, I've noticed that
some people are only willing to try certain things,
so there could be an easy, obvious solution to their
problem yet they refuse to try it.

For example, that guy who is suing his neighbor and
who lived in isolation for 20 years. I *believe* this
person has received plenty of advice over the years
about how he could improve his health so he would
be less sensitive (I think I even postal mailed
him a letter many years ago on this subject), but
I'm under the impression that he is unwilling to
do so -- he thinks the cellphone towers and the
wi-fi transmitters should go away, and that he
shouldn't have to do anything special to live
his life comfortably.

Marc

Yes I agree he should be willing to try different things to make his home more liveable but sometimes the exposure is just too strong & an individual is way too sentisitive.

I keep trying things but nothing is a pancea. Some things help llike the QLink but not enough.
 
Loni
 

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Date: Friday, April 2, 2010, 8:55 AM


 



> Well I think Paul is struggling with the emf from the plasma of his
> neighbor already a copple of years?. if it could be easily solved with some
> emf-protection I suppose he would've found it by now.

Not necessarily. Over the years, I've noticed that
some people are only willing to try certain things,
so there could be an easy, obvious solution to their
problem yet they refuse to try it.

For example, that guy who is suing his neighbor and
who lived in isolation for 20 years. I *believe* this
person has received plenty of advice over the years
about how he could improve his health so he would
be less sensitive (I think I even postal mailed
him a letter many years ago on this subject), but
I'm under the impression that he is unwilling to
do so -- he thinks the cellphone towers and the
wi-fi transmitters should go away, and that he
shouldn't have to do anything special to live
his life comfortably.

Marc









     

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> Yes I agree he should be willing to try different things to make his home
> more liveable but sometimes the exposure is just too strong & an
> individual is way too sensitive.

Yes, but as Charles and others have pointed out, that sensitivity can
be reduced. What some people don't seem to realize is that they are
suffering from a health problem -- a health problem that is exacerbated
by EMF exposure. So one cannot blame 100% of their symptoms on the
wi-fi transmitters and cellphone towers. They have to take some of
responsibility themselves, as a healthy person would likely not notice
anything from those same wi-fi transmitters and cellphone towers.

And the most likely culprits that we've seen here are heavy metal
poisoning, parasites, nutritional deficiencies, or failed metabolic
processes (typically in the liver). Fix these problems, and you
no longer care about what your neighbors are doing.

Marc

Marc,



I think most ES-ers here try to get healthier somehow, me included. But it
doesn't happen overnight that you're suddenly relieved from ES and are
totally detoxed. It seems like it takes years.



That Arthur is probably too impatient to get healthier in the long run, well
if he gets fried all the time I can understand that! Maybe he only cares
about his situation or he wants to fight for all ES-ers, anyway, I think it
is very courageous of him to sue his neighbor in the public arena. When
everybody thinks you're crazy.



You may think it is ridiculous to start suing people for having wifi, well
it is considered ridiculous by the general opinion, but imo it's not:



-I think Wifi is bad for everybody, not just for ES-ers. It attacks
everybody's immunity, so it's good for everybody if we get rid of as much
wifi as possible.



-The discussion on harmful EMF has to start somewhere and the ball will only
start rolling when you get the media's attention.



Stephen.







Van: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Namens Marc Martin
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> Yes I agree he should be willing to try different things to make his home
> more liveable but sometimes the exposure is just too strong & an
> individual is way too sensitive.

Yes, but as Charles and others have pointed out, that sensitivity can
be reduced. What some people don't seem to realize is that they are
suffering from a health problem -- a health problem that is exacerbated
by EMF exposure. So one cannot blame 100% of their symptoms on the
wi-fi transmitters and cellphone towers. They have to take some of
responsibility themselves, as a healthy person would likely not notice
anything from those same wi-fi transmitters and cellphone towers.

And the most likely culprits that we've seen here are heavy metal
poisoning, parasites, nutritional deficiencies, or failed metabolic
processes (typically in the liver). Fix these problems, and you
no longer care about what your neighbors are doing.

Marc





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So are you totally cured then of ES Marc? This is such a catch 22. I have the metabolic problem but it is genetic. Toxins add to the problem.
 
If you are bombarded by a toxin that you can not deal with it will definitely hinder/prevent your healing. What we can control is what we put in our mouths but it is not enough for some depending on their damage/illness.
 
One can't stereotype this & say fix your bodies inabilities, you are no longer ES. Some may overcome but some damage could be permanent & one needs to learn to live & survive with their handycap.
 
You can always eat right, take the right suppliments for you, & make your environment as safe as possible for yourself.  These things should helpone to function better.
 
Ya take this arsenic but heal your gut,liver, & detox parasite, heavy metals. Don't let that arsenic bother you as you are trying to get better! 
 
Loni
 
 
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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
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> Yes I agree he should be willing to try different things to make his home
> more liveable but sometimes the exposure is just too strong & an
> individual is way too sensitive.

Yes, but as Charles and others have pointed out, that sensitivity can
be reduced. What some people don't seem to realize is that they are
suffering from a health problem -- a health problem that is exacerbated
by EMF exposure. So one cannot blame 100% of their symptoms on the
wi-fi transmitters and cellphone towers. They have to take some of
responsibility themselves, as a healthy person would likely not notice
anything from those same wi-fi transmitters and cellphone towers.

And the most likely culprits that we've seen here are heavy metal
poisoning, parasites, nutritional deficiencies, or failed metabolic
processes (typically in the liver). Fix these problems, and you
no longer care about what your neighbors are doing.

Marc








     

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Yes Stephen I agree with you. Whether one can feel it or not; this bombardment of electrosmog is bad for everyone. Big concern for our next generation. The reluctance to realize this is going to mean more illness & more earlydeaths.
 
We do need to raise awareness. It's just hard because then you are exposed to psycho Stigma.
 
Loni
 


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Marc,

I think most ES-ers here try to get healthier somehow, me included. But it
doesn't happen overnight that you're suddenly relieved from ES and are
totally detoxed. It seems like it takes years.

That Arthur is probably too impatient to get healthier in the long run, well
if he gets fried all the time I can understand that! Maybe he only cares
about his situation or he wants to fight for all ES-ers, anyway, I think it
is very courageous of him to sue his neighbor in the public arena. When
everybody thinks you're crazy.

You may think it is ridiculous to start suing people for having wifi, well
it is considered ridiculous by the general opinion, but imo it's not:

-I think Wifi is bad for everybody, not just for ES-ers. It attacks
everybody's immunity, so it's good for everybody if we get rid of as much
wifi as possible.

-The discussion on harmful EMF has to start somewhere and the ball will only
start rolling when you get the media's attention.

Stephen.

Van: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] Namens Marc Martin
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Aan: eSens@yahoogroups. com
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> Yes I agree he should be willing to try different things to make his home
> more liveable but sometimes the exposure is just too strong & an
> individual is way too sensitive.

Yes, but as Charles and others have pointed out, that sensitivity can
be reduced. What some people don't seem to realize is that they are
suffering from a health problem -- a health problem that is exacerbated
by EMF exposure. So one cannot blame 100% of their symptoms on the
wi-fi transmitters and cellphone towers. They have to take some of
responsibility themselves, as a healthy person would likely not notice
anything from those same wi-fi transmitters and cellphone towers.

And the most likely culprits that we've seen here are heavy metal
poisoning, parasites, nutritional deficiencies, or failed metabolic
processes (typically in the liver). Fix these problems, and you
no longer care about what your neighbors are doing.

Marc

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> So are you totally cured then of ES Marc? This is such a catch 22. I have
> the metabolic problem but it is genetic. Toxins add to the problem.

I'm cured enough that I don't worry about my neighbor's wi-fi or plasma
TV (and living in the city, my neighbors are CLOSE. Three tall/skinny
houses where one house use to be. And one of my neighbors has at least
2 large plasma TVs that I can see through their window -- you can tell
that they are plasmas by how the doesn't change with viewing angle).

The only thing I'm not totally cured from is my work EMF exposure,
which is far worse than anything that anyone's neighbors would do.

And yes, of course it can take years to figure things out and show some
improvement, but unless someone can correct me on this, this person
has spent 20 years doing *nothing* (someone please jump in and please
tell me that I'm wrong about this!).

Marc

Well I am very happy for you Marc & we should follow your lead for sure. But as you say you are still sensitive to work emf. Perhaps it is too strong there. I think it is all relative to what you are exposed to also. Well forthat matter relative to our bodies damage or malfunctioning.
 
Do you know for a fact that this person suing has done nothing in 20 years to help himself?
 
Loni

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Date: Friday, April 2, 2010, 10:12 AM


 



> So are you totally cured then of ES Marc? This is such a catch 22. I have
> the metabolic problem but it is genetic. Toxins add to the problem.

I'm cured enough that I don't worry about my neighbor's wi-fi or plasma
TV (and living in the city, my neighbors are CLOSE. Three tall/skinny
houses where one house use to be. And one of my neighbors has at least
2 large plasma TVs that I can see through their window -- you can tell
that they are plasmas by how the doesn't change with viewing angle).

The only thing I'm not totally cured from is my work EMF exposure,
which is far worse than anything that anyone's neighbors would do.

And yes, of course it can take years to figure things out and show some
improvement, but unless someone can correct me on this, this person
has spent 20 years doing *nothing* (someone please jump in and please
tell me that I'm wrong about this!).

Marc








     

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> Do you know for a fact that this person suing has done nothing in 20
> years to help himself?

No, I don't know this for a tfact -- I heard this from someone else
many years ago, who told me that I was wasting my time writing him a letter
telling him how to reduce his sensitivity. Perhaps someone here knows
better?

Marc

Marc, we all appreciate what you've done for this group, every day for the
past 5 years or so. You helped really a lot of people on ES, and I think
very highly of you.



I don't think we should judge Arthur because he hasn't done anything to get
better. I know some people wouldn't try anything because it's not backed up
by most scientists/doctors. Actually doing something can get you worse as
well (for instance getting rid of your amalgam fillings if your dentist
isn't well equipped or very handy). Anyway for a not-experienced person
especially it's a very complicated matter.



All I know is that it takes a lot of guts to sue somebody for having wifi.
And in his way Arthur may have also contributed to the process where people
are starting to get more aware of the dangers of EMF.



Stephen.





Van: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Namens Marc Martin
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> Do you know for a fact that this person suing has done nothing in 20
> years to help himself?

No, I don't know this for a tfact -- I heard this from someone else
many years ago, who told me that I was wasting my time writing him a letter
telling him how to reduce his sensitivity. Perhaps someone here knows
better?

Marc





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> I don't think we should judge Arthur because he hasn't done anything to
> get better.

You're right, I shouldn't judge, but I do find it a bit frustrating,
as if he had done some things right he may not be having the
problems with his neighbor that he is having now.

But of course, you're right -- although heavy metal toxicity seems
to be a major contributor to ES, there are many ways that doctors
deal with this that could end up making you much worse. So in
some cases, it may actually be better to do nothing!

Marc

Marc Martin wrote:
> And the most likely culprits that we've seen here are heavy metal
> poisoning, parasites, nutritional deficiencies, or failed metabolic
> processes (typically in the liver). Fix these problems, and you
> no longer care about what your neighbors are doing.
>


Well I guess I have not reached that point yet, even though I reduced my
exposure, detoxed, removed my metal fillings, did a parasite cleanse,
liver cleanse, eat organic and home grown, take liquid iodine for
low thyroid function, I am still sensitive, and not
clear-headed (as my last post showed).

Can you send a smarter doctor out my way? ;)

I have put together a documentary (of sorts) for my recent attempts to
measure and search for the local noise makers that have compromised my
safe house.

For those who are interested in seeing a few meters in action, this may
be of interest.
I include meter reviews throughout, and at the bottom.

http://seaHorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

Stewart

> Well I guess I have not reached that point yet, even though I reduced my
> exposure, detoxed, removed my metal fillings, did a parasite cleanse,
> liver cleanse, eat organic and home grown, take liquid iodine for
> low thyroid function, I am still sensitive, and not
> clear-headed (as my last post showed).
>
> Can you send a smarter doctor out my way? ;)

I'm not sure if there are smarter doctors... and if there are, you
probably can't get into see them... :-(

I'd make sure that there is some adrenal support (glandular or herbs).
Anti-oxidants (Vitamin A, C, E, hydrogen, etc.), "blood cleansers"
(echinacea), "toxin binders" (bentonite, zeolite, charcoal, etc.)
might help. And check for any sensitivity/bad reaction to alpha
lipoic acid, which would be indicative of remaining heavy metal
toxicity (probably stored in the brain).

Marc

Marc

If there's a bad reaction to ALA does that mean to keep using it so it can clear the metals or to stop using it?

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Hi Stewart
 
I am sorry to hear that despite undergoing all of that none of those thingsworked for you to help reduce your ES - out of interest can I ask you, to educate someone considerably lacking knowledge of such things like me, how do you go about doing a parasite cleanse?
 
Thanks
 
Steph

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Marc Martin wrote:
> And the most likely culprits that we've seen here are heavy metal
> poisoning, parasites, nutritional deficiencies, or failed metabolic
> processes (typically in the liver). Fix these problems, and you
> no longer care about what your neighbors are doing.
>

Well I guess I have not reached that point yet, even though I reduced my
exposure, detoxed, removed my metal fillings, did a parasite cleanse,
liver cleanse, eat organic and home grown, take liquid iodine for
low thyroid function, I am still sensitive, and not
clear-headed (as my last post showed).

Can you send a smarter doctor out my way? ;)

I have put together a documentary (of sorts) for my recent attempts to
measure and search for the local noise makers that have compromised my
safe house.

For those who are interested in seeing a few meters in action, this may
be of interest.
I include meter reviews throughout, and at the bottom.

http://seaHorseCorr al.org/ehs1. html

Stewart









     

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ALA can deplete minerals. I would not use it in the long term
especially if causing problems. Next time try RLA (R-ALA) and
in a smaller amount.

Blaylock recommends curcumin mixed with olive oil or
fish oil to help absorption. I also like green tea
extract (one with no caffein, like Teavigo).

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> If there's a bad reaction to ALA does that mean to keep using it so it
> can clear the metals or to stop using it?

There's a group of folks on the Internet who use something called
"frequent dose chelation", and they claim that ALA can only safely
be used for chelation when taken in small amounts every 3-4 hours
(including overnight!) for periods of 3 days followed by 3+
day breaks. They say that you should find a dose that is small
enough not to cause unpleasant side effects during those 3
days or the next few days after. For really sensitive
folks, it may require tiny doses of maybe 1mg - 10mg per
dose to start with, and then ramp up as tolerated to perhaps
100mg per dose. Although tolerating that dose may take years.
The discussion group for that is on yahoo -- frequent-dose-chelation

The smallest ALA dose I can find commercially online in the USA
is 25mg capsules from Kirkman. One can use a capsule-making device to
mix those down to whatever dose you can tolerate. I've been
doing this for several months -- it seemed like it would be
a terrible hassle at first, although it seems like second
nature now (although I have a battery-operated timer to remind
me when its time, and the remaining capsules to take during
the day are in a container in my pocket).

Taking ALA may decrease the amount of copper excreted, so
if one is copper-toxic, ALA may make that worse. As for
ALA depleting other nutrient minerals, I guess that must
be an area of controversy, as I recently heard an interview
where "the expert" said that ALA did not deplete any nutrient
minerals.

Marc

Interesting, I had never heard of this about ALA other than it being an antioxidant that helps regenerate other antioxidants.

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