Suing neighbor over wi-fi

Well I didn't realize my sensitivities until way after I bought this house where I am surrounded by neighbors & cell towers. Now it is impossible to sell as we all know.
 
Loni

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> Is that right for her not to make the changes needed in order for him to
> be able to live!?

Yes, but I'm sure she feels that she has a right to do certain things in
her house as well...

(someone this sensitive should probably live where there are no nearby
neighbors)

Marc








     

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I personnally would back mothers against wifi in the schools. Loni

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Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 3:36 PM


 



Great soundbite! Come on Bill - follow his lead join his task force. We allknow that the WIFI is going to stay until she turns it off from the publicity that's going to be forced on her.

Next is the schools..... .Mothers that will not allow their children in a school with WIFI.

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So what can we do to back Arthur?  Help our cause!  Loni

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Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 3:49 PM


Well - I agree his lawsuit is a bit "Out there" but the "out there" stuff gets publicity - lots of publicity.   He could bring action against his public library with wifi.  But that's not going to get press. But suingyour neighbour - that gets in the tabloids!  And that's the point. Public awareness. We have been shut out for too long - running away - hiding in the woods.

But when the magazines such as GQ, and Prevention, and Popular Science and the LA times come out to our aid - they do this for a reason  -so we havea voice - and Arthur sees that the media is no longer afraid to loose their advertising dollars from the wireless industry - He decides it time to ride the wave. And it's working - it's spreading - people joke about it - butit does cause people to think.

Sara Palin does dumb things too - but she's great press....




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I don't think fridges, tv's & flourescents are in the same ball bark as wifi. Comparing apples to oranges. Just not the same. Loni

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Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 3:34 PM


 



> He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a stand -
> to make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader - martin
> luther king. In France - they rise up and protest -

Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could
end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,
having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a
bit silly.

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If anyone really wants to help I can give them Arthur's phone number.
Another thing that might help is to learn the rules of Wikipedia so you
can help build consensus on things like the electrosensitivity page and
Arthur's page. But don't even try to edit controversial pages like that
unless you know the rules like 3rr and sock puppets.

Bill

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I agree we need to educate the public but we should not alienate them in the process. Be honest with yourself, if you or someone close to you did notsuffer from EMS what would you think if your neighbor told you your electronic equipment was making them ill?

We need to educate the public with well thought out dialog not anger. I hope all of you have taken the time to send an e-mail to the parties involvedin this lawsuit to let them know there is unfortunately a growing community of people who suffer from EMS.

Yes, there will be publicity because of the lawsuit and depending on the slant the media takes it could make people who suffer from MCS seem like theyshould not be taken seriously. What we need is someone of notoriety to bean advocate for us. Sooner or later that will be the case when someone famous comes down with EMS. I believe someone sited Martin Luther King in a previous post. He was a great man who did great things but change did not happen over night. This process will take time but we need to stick with it for the health of future generations.

The cell tower that effects me is placed next to the water tower (I don't know if EM is bad for water but I have to assume it's not good) by the Freshman Center and not far from the High School. I live in one of the largest school districts in my state. If my children were in school, I would not send them to these schools.

Best to you,

Jennie

 
Jennie





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Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 6:36:28 PM
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Great soundbite! Come on Bill - follow his lead join his task force. We all know that the WIFI is going to stay until she turns it off from the publicity that's going to be forced on her.

Next is the schools..... .Mothers that will not allow their children in a school with WIFI.

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Perhaps it would be helpful to Arthur if he is sent the AEHF.com symposium listing for this summer, since it's almost all about electromagnetic sensitivity this year. It would give some doctors,
plus the ones attending and learning there too.

If the change in heart rate test on exposure applies to him, there is hard evidence.

Then if he can get someone in there with the various meters to do readings while things are on, and off at the neighbors house, it would show his space is being invaded/polluted by it too.

Kudos to him for doing this!

~ Snoshoe

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Jennie,
 
Great idea.
 
The thing about a famous person having ES. I have thought about it & they have the means to get away from it and or shield themselves so don't know ifthat will ever help us. Would be a good thing however.
 
Loni

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From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi and new ElectroSensitiveSociety.com
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:58 PM


 



I agree we need to educate the public but we should not alienate them in the process. Be honest with yourself, if you or someone close to you did not suffer from EMS what would you think if your neighbor told you your electronic equipment was making them ill?

We need to educate the public with well thought out dialog not anger. I hope all of you have taken the time to send an e-mail to the parties involved in this lawsuit to let them know there is unfortunately a growing communityof people who suffer from EMS.

Yes, there will be publicity because of the lawsuit and depending on the slant the media takes it could make people who suffer from MCS seem like theyshould not be taken seriously. What we need is someone of notoriety to be an advocate for us. Sooner or later that will be the case when someone famous comes down with EMS. I believe someone sited Martin Luther King in a previous post. He was a great man who did great things but change did not happen over night. This process will take time but we need to stick with it forthe health of future generations.

The cell tower that effects me is placed next to the water tower (I don't know if EM is bad for water but I have to assume it's not good) by the Freshman Center and not far from the High School. I live in one of the largest school districts in my state. If my children were in school, I would not send them to these schools.

Best to you,

Jennie

Jennie

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From: Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 6:36:28 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi and new ElectroSensitiveSoc iety.com

Great soundbite! Come on Bill - follow his lead join his task force. We allknow that the WIFI is going to stay until she turns it off from the publicity that's going to be forced on her.

Next is the schools..... .Mothers that will not allow their children in a school with WIFI.

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Go Arthur! All publicity is good publicity!
Useful study for heart rate and dec phones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EI9fZX4iww&feature=channel
more new info on 
http://www.es-uk.info/index.asp
Best
Giles

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Jennie,

 

Great idea.

 

The thing about a famous person having ES. I have thought about it & they have the means to get away from it and or shield themselves so don't know ifthat will ever help us. Would be a good thing however.

 

Loni



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From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi and new ElectroSensitiveSoc iety.com

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:58 PM



 



I agree we need to educate the public but we should not alienate them in the process. Be honest with yourself, if you or someone close to you did not suffer from EMS what would you think if your neighbor told you your electronic equipment was making them ill?



We need to educate the public with well thought out dialog not anger. I hope all of you have taken the time to send an e-mail to the parties involved in this lawsuit to let them know there is unfortunately a growing communityof people who suffer from EMS.



Yes, there will be publicity because of the lawsuit and depending on the slant the media takes it could make people who suffer from MCS seem like theyshould not be taken seriously. What we need is someone of notoriety to be an advocate for us. Sooner or later that will be the case when someone famous comes down with EMS. I believe someone sited Martin Luther King in a previous post. He was a great man who did great things but change did not happen over night. This process will take time but we need to stick with it forthe health of future generations.



The cell tower that effects me is placed next to the water tower (I don't know if EM is bad for water but I have to assume it's not good) by the Freshman Center and not far from the High School. I live in one of the largest school districts in my state. If my children were in school, I would not send them to these schools.



Best to you,



Jennie



Jennie



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From: Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com>

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 6:36:28 PM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi and new ElectroSensitiveSoc iety.com



Great soundbite! Come on Bill - follow his lead join his task force. We allknow that the WIFI is going to stay until she turns it off from the publicity that's going to be forced on her.



Next is the schools..... .Mothers that will not allow their children in a school with WIFI.



On 2010-03-31, at 6:15 PM, Bill Bruno wrote:



> He was quoted in the recent story as saying:

> "I'm not after publicity," he said. "I just want to live. I want my home."

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> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com>wrote:

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>> This is how Arthur wants his resume to read on the Electrosensitive Society

>> Website.

>>

>>>> Arthur Firstenberg is the founder and president of the Cellular Phone

>> Task

>>> Force. In 1997 the Task Force was the lead litigant in a challenge

>> brought by over 50 citizens groups against the FCC≠s limits for human

>> exposure to radio frequency

>>> radiation.

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>> He knows that lawsuits bring attention to a cause. I believe that he wants

>> to have her stop the WIFI radiation - but he does want to make this illness

>> public. Now is the time folks. The media is listening. Time to make your

>> voice heard.

>>

>> When Popular Science magazine sends out the signal...... ..

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>> On 2010-03-31, at 5:32 PM, Bill Bruno wrote:

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>>> I know Arthur and I don't think I or anyone should claim to speak on his

>>> behalf about his situation or his lawsuit.

>>>

>>> I know that he tried to resolve it without going to court and I believe

>> he

>>> offered to hire a mediator.

>>>

>>> I certainly would recommend to start off by trying to be nice to the

>>> neighbor, but I had neighbors that I could never convince of the

>> problems,

>>> despite having a Ph.D. in physics.

>>>

>>> Bill

>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Bob Connolly <

>> robert_connolly@ rogers.com>wrote:

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>>>> To this newsgroup:

>>>>

>>>> Arthur Fistenberg is the person that is suing his neighbour over WIFI.

>> If

>>>> you are wondering why he is doing this, it's because he is trying to

>> bring

>>>> EHS into the public mainstream - not to make them shut it off. Awareness

>>>> usually happens via lawsuits - not good causes. We should all be

>> thankful

>>>> that he is doing this because he knows it's not a battle that he can win

>>>> alone - but if enough of us step up to the plate and speak about the

>> problem

>>>> to a courtroom in addition to each other on this message board - that

>> will

>>>> generate awareness in the media and then perhaps the symptoms that he

>> speaks

>>>> about will be recognized by the general public. "Hey - I get headaches

>> too

>>>> when I speak on a cellphone" the public might realize.

>>>>

>>>> Right now - I know of a person that is suing her landlord for putting

>> cell

>>>> towers on the roof of her apartment 2 months ago. She is now

>>>> electrosensitive. The whole top floor of the apartment has moved out.

>> She

>>>> now has to prove that she is electrosensitive and needs to find a doctor

>>>> that will diagnose her.

>>>>

>>>> She has a good lawyer that is taking this on for almost free. He used to

>> be

>>>> with the minister of health for the province of Ontario and has now gone

>> to

>>>> the other side. She has city councillors sending letters to wireless

>>>> providers and they have told them to remove them. Magda Havas is

>> testifying

>>>> , making awareness of the situation on her website, creating a new EHS

>>>> website, and is bringing some of her associates to testify too.

>>>>

>>>> If you go to magdahavas.com - you can see a video that Dr. Havas made

>>>> about this woman and it shows the antennas that they placed right over

>> the

>>>> balcony. The towers are about 4 feet away from her. To the councellors

>> and

>>>> the lawyer and Magda Havas - this landlord and the telephone company

>> stepped

>>>> across the line putting them so close to her balcony - and her roof is

>> just

>>>> tar and gravel.

>>>> The cell tower radiation came right through the roof into her bedroom -

>> at

>>>> about 2 to 5,000 uWattsm2

>>>> Can you imagine sleeping in that for 2 months?

>>>>

>>>> It's criminal and now even the common sense from the city councellors

>> and

>>>> lawyers are prevailing that this has gone way too far. Bell has even

>> turned

>>>> the cell towers off - but there are other co-located towers that are

>> on.

>>>>

>>>> This woman is not suing for damages - she refuses to let anyone else

>> move

>>>> into the apartment because they will just become ill too. So - she just

>>>> abandoned the apartment - left her furnishings there - and is living in

>> a

>>>> bacement of a friend - she does not want anyone to move into the

>> apartment

>>>> - they will just becomes ill like her. Even the city of Toronto's public

>>>> health department agrees the safety levels are way too high.

>>>>

>>>> If anyone out there has a doctor that has prescribed their illness as

>> EHS -

>>>> this woman needs to know the name so her lawyer can move quickly to make

>> a

>>>> case.

>>>>

>>>> Magda Havas has decided to start a new website with a mission to prove

>> that

>>>> EHS is real. With real proof that it exists using studies she has

>> published

>>>> amongst others. It is in production now and the final will be available

>> in 2

>>>> weeks. It will feature doctors, lawyers and scientists and YOU

>> hopefully -

>>>> who all will attempt to prove that this illness is real to judges and

>>>> doctors.

>>>>

>>>> You can help by telling your story on this site as there will be a case

>>>> history section.

>>>> This site will be a place that lawyers and doctors can get information.

>> It

>>>> will have the latest research papers.

>>>>

>>>> Here is where the site is located now and has some initial information

>>>> about EHS in PDF format . rewire.me eMagazine is now edited my magda

>> havas

>>>> and is currently getting ready for the second addition.

>>>>

>>>> http://www.ElectroS ensitiveSociety. com

>>>>

>>>> It's going to be just like any other society like the American Cancer

>>>> Society. She wants to have local chapters all over the world.

>>>>

>>>> So - if you would like to make a difference - please go to this site -

>> sign

>>>> up - and Magda will be in touch with you shortly to place your "case

>>>> history" on the site or any other infomation that you can share about

>>>> solutions to the illness.

>>>>

>>>> Arthur is the first person to submit "Case History" information to the

>>>> site. Magda - needs your story too.

>>>>

>>>> Here is some information about Arthur Firstenberg - the person that is

>>>> suing their neighbour over WIFI.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Arthur Firstenberg is the founder and president of the Cellular Phone

>> Task

>>>> Force and the author of Microwaving Our Planet: The Environmental Impact

>> of

>>>> the Wireless Revolution (Cellular Phone Task Force 1996). From 1997 to

>> 2002,

>>>> he was the editor of the journal No Place To Hide.

>>>> Since 1996, the Task Force has provided a global clearinghouse for

>>>> information about wireless technology≠s injurious effects, anda

>> national

>>>> support network for people disabled by this technology. In 1997 the Task

>>>> Force was the lead litigant in a challenge brought by over 50 citizens

>>>> groups against the FCC≠s limits for human exposure to radio frequency

>>>> radiation.

>>>> Articles by Firstenberg or about his work have appeared in Mother Jones,

>>>> The Ecologist, Earth Island Journal, Vegetarian Times, Village Voice,

>> Utne

>>>> Reader, Santa Fe New Mexican, San Francisco Chronicle, and other

>> newspapers

>>>> and magazines. His work has been translated into Spanish, French,

>>>> Portuguese, Dutch, Italian, Danish, Japanese, and Chinese.

>>>> After graduating Phi Beta Kappa from Cornell University with a B.A. in

>>>> mathematics, he attended the University of California, Irvine School of

>>>> Medicine from 1978 to 1982. Injury by

>>>> x-ray overdose cut short his medical career. For the past 29 years he

>> has

>>>> been a researcher, consultant and lecturer on the health and

>> environmental

>>>> effects of electromagnetic radiation.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On 2010-03-31, at 2:34 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

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>>>>>> I hope he wins the law suit. Loni

>>>>>

>>>>> Actually, I think this person should spend more effort trying to get

>>>>> better, rather than suing his neighbors. I mean, the wi-fi coming

>>>>> from my neighbors house bothers me too, but I would never think

>>>>> of suing them!

>>>>>

>>>>> Marc

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> He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a stand -
> to make people aware of EHS and it's working!

If you read the comments made after this story (now on multiple websites),
99% of the people just think the guy is nuts, and requires mental help.

I don't think that's the awareness you are hoping for...

Marc

I guess that is what most people think of our plight. Loni

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> He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a stand -
> to make people aware of EHS and it's working!

If you read the comments made after this story (now on multiple websites),
99% of the people just think the guy is nuts, and requires mental help.

I don't think that's the awareness you are hoping for...

Marc








     

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Yes I agree, ANY attention is always better than NO attention at all...


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Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 10:49 PM


Well - I agree his lawsuit is a bit "Out there" but the "out there" stuff gets publicity - lots of publicity.   He could bring action against his public library with wifi.  But that's not going to get press. But suingyour neighbour - that gets in the tabloids!  And that's the point. Public awareness. We have been shut out for too long - running away - hiding in the woods.

But when the magazines such as GQ, and Prevention, and Popular Science and the LA times come out to our aid - they do this for a reason  -so we havea voice - and Arthur sees that the media is no longer afraid to loose their advertising dollars from the wireless industry - He decides it time to ride the wave. And it's working - it's spreading - people joke about it - butit does cause people to think.

Sara Palin does dumb things too - but she's great press....




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I think it would depend on the situation if I'd sue.
I'd like surrounding neighbors to not use their wireless items, but as it is now if I was to take action it would be against the providers.

Now if the neighbors were deliberately harrassing with it, or being obnoxious as some neighbors are, that might be another story.

This woman being sued may be on the deliberately doing it side. I don't know.

I have heard of neighbors being taken to court for that before, a couple times, but I don't know what the outcomes were.

~ Snoshoe


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PUK replies - I swear to God I would happily blow a few thousand pounds on
suing the couple who are making my life a misery with their Plasma TV.
Even if I knew I would loose I would love to see their vindictive control
freakish smug faces in a court of law. The lady being sued by Fistenburg said
she simply gave up complying with his wishes and live as she would like, -
Kinda selfish and childish mindset going on here it seems ? I feel for
Arthur in his plight, it really should be incumbent on a "user" of these
polluting technologies to ensure that where expressed their "habits" do not cause
hardship of health impacts to others, particularly where is concerns
someones home(santuary)so basically the lady should be told to thoroughly screen
her house to stop the waves from entering his property it is her muck that
she is spreading, she should clean up her act, so many people should check
into a rehap to break this addiction and to explore the real reason why
they defend so vigorously their (in-human) right to use it versus the well
being of another human-being.

The thing that really gets me is when I tell some people about my problem
with the Plasma TV a common reply is - well he is entitled to watch his TV
! Yes is my reply of course, but he is not entitled to pollute my home
(some 50m away)with radiation that is so relentless and that he controls at
the flick of a switch knowing that it causes me great discomfort and damages
my health and well being, my rights here should be paramount when the
solution could be as simple as replacing the TV. Its human rights vs in-human
rights

The House of SIM CARDS, a fragile refuge of a generation that will have
forgoten they are flesh and blood when finally their batteries run dry and
down it falls without warning and once again they will gaze into human eyes.


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I think it would depend on the situation if I'd sue.
I'd like surrounding neighbors to not use their wireless items, but as it
is now if I was to take action it would be against the providers.

Now if the neighbors were deliberately harrassing with it, or being
obnoxious as some neighbors are, that might be another story.



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PUK replies - Suing you neighbour rarely comes out of a whim, and is likely
a last resort if nothing else due to the expense, but the TV issue is a
problem, imagine you sit in a flat or a semi-detatched house and your sofa is
positioned on the dividing wall and along comes your neighbour and puts up
like a picture on the otherside of the wall, ussually no thicker than
260mm (could equally be a baby sleeping in a cot) a Large television wether its
LCD or Plasma coming from our point of veiw you are in big trouble, I
would go so far as saying that these highly radiative devices should have a
warning sticker on them in this regard. But in my case with the Plasma TV as
you know and as I have demonstrated on youtube (Plasma TV RFI) this swamps
my house daily, and I put the person on notice 18 months ago re the problem
and he as good as spat at me ! He has a smug look on his face as if to say
you cant touch me ! Well like I say this situation would make good grounds
for suing on the basis of personal injury, phychological torture... this
case would have legs, it can be readily demonstrated that the problem exists
which in anyones mind would generate curiosity how this can occur from
such a distance from a comercial TV set - Just need the funds and I would be
on this case like a rat up a drain pipe !!!! I am not ashamed to be ES !!!

PUK

In a message dated 01/04/2010 23:06:13 GMT Daylight Time, stephen_vandev
[hidden email] writes:

Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could
> end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,
> having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a
> bit silly.
>
> Marc



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Paul,
 
Your neighbor deserves to be sued that's for sure, and some extra attention to ES-ers would be a good thing...
 
But for your problem to be solved fast, could you somehow talk to your neighbor? If you'd give him an LCD-screen in exchange of his plasma-screen the problem would be solved emf-wise?
 
Stephen.
 

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To: [hidden email]
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PUK replies - I swear to God I would happily blow a few thousand pounds on
suing the couple who are making my life a misery with their Plasma TV.
Even if I knew I would loose I would love to see their vindictive control
freakish smug faces in a court of law. The lady being sued by Fistenburg said
she simply gave up complying with his wishes and live as she would like, -
Kinda selfish and childish mindset going on here it seems ? I feel for
Arthur in his plight, it really should be incumbent on a "user" of these
polluting technologies to ensure that where expressed their "habits" do notcause
hardship of health impacts to others, particularly where is concerns
someones home(santuary) so basically the lady should be told to thoroughly screen
her house to stop the waves from entering his property it is her muck that
she is spreading, she should clean up her act, so many people should check
into a rehap to break this addiction and to explore the real reason why
they defend so vigorously their (in-human) right to use it versus the well
being of another human-being.

The thing that really gets me is when I tell some people about my problem
with the Plasma TV a common reply is - well he is entitled to watch his TV
! Yes is my reply of course, but he is not entitled to pollute my home
(some 50m away)with radiation that is so relentless and that he controls at
the flick of a switch knowing that it causes me great discomfort and damages
my health and well being, my rights here should be paramount when the
solution could be as simple as replacing the TV. Its human rights vs in-human
rights

The House of SIM CARDS, a fragile refuge of a generation that will have
forgoten they are flesh and blood when finally their batteries run dry and
down it falls without warning and once again they will gaze into human eyes.


In a message dated 02/04/2010 01:19:52 GMT Daylight Time,
snoshoe_2@yahoo. com writes:

I think it would depend on the situation if I'd sue.
I'd like surrounding neighbors to not use their wireless items, but as it
is now if I was to take action it would be against the providers.

Now if the neighbors were deliberately harrassing with it, or being
obnoxious as some neighbors are, that might be another story.

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> But for your problem to be solved fast, could you somehow talk to your
> neighbor? If you'd give him an LCD-screen in exchange of his
> plasma-screen the problem would be solved emf-wise?

"Give" your neighbor a several thousand dollar television? He
could buy an awful lot of EMF protection for that!  

Also, some people think plasma TVs look better than LCDs, so
that might be a hard sell...

Marc

Do you have the link for the youtube demo?
 
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From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 2 April, 2010, 22:31


 



PUK replies - Suing you neighbour rarely comes out of a whim, and is likely
a last resort if nothing else due to the expense, but the TV issue is a
problem, imagine you sit in a flat or a semi-detatched house and your sofa is
positioned on the dividing wall and along comes your neighbour and puts up
like a picture on the otherside of the wall, ussually no thicker than
260mm (could equally be a baby sleeping in a cot) a Large television wetherits
LCD or Plasma coming from our point of veiw you are in big trouble, I
would go so far as saying that these highly radiative devices should have a
warning sticker on them in this regard. But in my case with the Plasma TV as
you know and as I have demonstrated on youtube (Plasma TV RFI) this swamps
my house daily, and I put the person on notice 18 months ago re the problem
and he as good as spat at me ! He has a smug look on his face as if to say
you cant touch me ! Well like I say this situation would make good grounds
for suing on the basis of personal injury, phychological torture... this
case would have legs, it can be readily demonstrated that the problem exists
which in anyones mind would generate curiosity how this can occur from
such a distance from a comercial TV set - Just need the funds and I would be
on this case like a rat up a drain pipe !!!! I am not ashamed to be ES !!!

PUK

In a message dated 01/04/2010 23:06:13 GMT Daylight Time, stephen_vandev
ijvere@yahoo. com writes:

Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could
> end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs,
> having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a
> bit silly.
>
> Marc

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I'm still bothered by this. Arthur really was friends with this woman.
He never would have sued her for publicity. But his house that had been a
safe haven suddenly became unbearable.
Bill

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Bob Connolly <[hidden email]>wrote:


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Well I think Paul is struggling with the emf from the plasma of his neighbor
already a copple of years?. if it could be easily solved with some
emf-protection I suppose he would've found it by now.



Actually these days big screens aren't that expensive. If he can sell the
plasma-tv of the neighbor on eBay he won't loose that much money on it.



But yes, I think the difficult part will be persuading the neighbor as he
seems to love harming his neighbors emf-wise. Hope you get a solution for
this Paul.



Stephen.



P.S. Actually I think plasma screens look better than lcd's myself! If I had
known it's so bad emf-wise I would've bought another tv a year ago, I do
"feel" the plasma when I'm detoxing and more sensitive for some emf.







Van: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Namens Marc Martin
Verzonden: vendredi 2 avril 2010 16:48
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Onderwerp: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi





> But for your problem to be solved fast, could you somehow talk to your
> neighbor? If you'd give him an LCD-screen in exchange of his
> plasma-screen the problem would be solved emf-wise?

"Give" your neighbor a several thousand dollar television? He
could buy an awful lot of EMF protection for that!

Also, some people think plasma TVs look better than LCDs, so
that might be a hard sell...

Marc





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