Suing neighbor over wi-fi

> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] chlorella
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 3:10 PM
> > didn't know that, I will look
> into it. I guess pure chlorophyl could be
> > an option also?
>
> I guess so... I tried some chlorophyll from Standard
> Process, it made
> me feel unwell (nausea), so there must have been some sort
> of detox going on there.  Usually chlorella is
> mentioned specifically
> for mercury, although others say Algins from seaweed work
> as well.
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> Marc
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> Yes but he can't live in his own house because of it. And it doesn't sound like she give a rats a.
>  
> I guess I wouldn't sue a neighbor either but know how frustrating it is to not be able to sleep in my house.
>  
> Is that right for her not to make the changes needed in order for him to be able to live!?
>  
> Loni
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> --- On Wed, 3/31/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 11:34 AM
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> > I hope he wins the law suit. Loni
>
> Actually, I think this person should spend more effort trying to get
> better, rather than suing his neighbors. I mean, the wi-fi coming
> from my neighbors house bothers me too, but I would never think
> of suing them!
>
> Marc
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> From: Loni <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] ALA
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 8:33 PM
> I stay away from bigger fish like
> tuna & salmon because of the mercury. I will eat Tilapia
> or cod. I guess wild salmon is ok. With the level of
> toxicity of mercury I just think it is better to be safe.
> Loni
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> --- On Mon, 4/5/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
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> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] ALA
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 2:58 PM
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>  
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> > I guess who really knows if any of this is helpful
> and/or safe?
>
> Well, I know that we had one former eSens member ("Ed from
> the Netherlands" )
> who used the frequent dosing ALA, and reported that his ES
> went away
> entirely after a number of months. He unsubscribed from the
> group
> because it was no longer of interest to him.
>
> > First I have to get the last filling out of my mouth.
> Next come the
> > crowns.
>
> Well yes, you should have the metal removed from your teeth
>
> before chelating anyways.
>
> > I assume you stay away from tuna? I am contemplating
> switching to
> > sardines as i still eat a can of tuna/week.
>
> The mercury content varies greatly between various types of
> tuna --
> for example, "dolphin-safe" tuna usually implies that the
> tuna
> are smaller fish, which means they don't have as much
> mercury in
> them. Also, "chunk lite" tuna is supposed to have less
> mercury
> in it. I've found limited amounts of chunk lite Tongal
> tuna
> (they sell that in my local store) seems okay, although I
> have
> switched mostly to a particular brand of sardine that
> tastes
> pretty much like tuna to me.
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> Marc
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> I think if I were him and I owned the house, I'd adapt the house to blockwifi etc. As long as he was choosing to live in town, and not on acreage somewhere, he was going to be in trouble sooner or later.
>
> I spent a week out at a farmhouse out in the country, with a few low signals from neighbors who weren't all that close, and more importantly, not a blanket of wimax and only a few cellphone towers. I could sit in the parking lot across from a cellphone tower and feel okay, it was an older one, without a zillion dishes on it.
>
> I felt relaxed. However, the farmhouse had a mold problem that made me sick as a dog.
>
> We came back into the Atlanta area and I began to feel ems symptoms. I amsensitized more now since being in that house. I don't know what was wrongwith that house but I wonder if that wifi router gave off extra strong signals, was somehow faulty. I also know it was a strong router. That whole neighborhood was blanketed with wifi in every single house, sometimes two to a house. In addition maybe that house had faulty wiring or extra EMF. The odd thing is once sensitized I haven't seemed to recover even tho it was only 3 weeks.
>
> Atlanta has been wimaxed and there are towers everywhere. As you drive toward the city you see so many. Symptoms of spine pressure, agitation (subtle), a weird alertness, and occasionally irregular heartbeats now when I'm around strong wifi in a store...etc. It's very unpleasant. I don't know whatto do.
>
> I don't see any solution for anybody really, because wimax is going everywhere. Give it another five years. Everybody will have even stronger wifi routers.
>
> This just makes a good, "kooky" story but will not change policy. If in 1996 they passed a law that no local govt could question ie litigate placement of towers based on health, its a long upward battle. They put their protection into place quite a while ago. Tell me how we're going to change this. And most people are not sensitive or even if they had mild symptoms wouldn't care. In addition, good studies might require years--epidemiological studies that look at rates of illness/cancer around towers, and exactly how far. And it's complicated now by wifi routers. I can't even imagine how you could design a good human study. You'd just have to do animal studies.
>
> It took quite a long while for scientists to get bisphenol A on the "bad"list. They did study after study with alarming results but the industry just did their own sponsored studies. It was so profitable. It took so much effort to target just ONE chemical.
>
> This is a way of life. If I were to move to that farmhouse if it WASN'T moldy--who's to say in ten years it won't be wimaxed too? That at some pointthe farmer next door will sell his land and a developer will come in and abunch of homes will go up with N-routers?
>
> I don't see a solution. In my case, I think I'm sensitized because I havelyme disease which broke down my system, leading to MCS and now ES. But I think the whole population is affected. For instance, they now are finding that phthalate exposure affects boys' intelligence (endocrine disrupter--estrogen mimic). There was also a great study a while back that found that the level of phthalates in baby boy's urine correlated with the distance fromthe anus to the scrotum--less distance ie more feminized with higher levels of the endocrine disrupters. No mother could notice that with her naked eye. But it was a clear indication that effects were occurring. The same is probably true of wimax, wifi (which I think are much worse than cellphones but that's my subjective sense).
>
>

> I think if I were him and I owned the house, I'd adapt the house to blockwifi etc. As long as he was choosing to live in town, and not on acreage somewhere, he was going to be in trouble sooner or later.
>
> I spent a week out at a farmhouse out in the country, with a few low signals from neighbors who weren't all that close, and more importantly, not a blanket of wimax and only a few cellphone towers. I could sit in the parking lot across from a cellphone tower and feel okay, it was an older one, without a zillion dishes on it.
>
> I felt relaxed. However, the farmhouse had a mold problem that made me sick as a dog.
>
> We came back into the Atlanta area and I began to feel ems symptoms. I amsensitized more now since being in that house. I don't know what was wrongwith that house but I wonder if that wifi router gave off extra strong signals, was somehow faulty. I also know it was a strong router. That whole neighborhood was blanketed with wifi in every single house, sometimes two to a house. In addition maybe that house had faulty wiring or extra EMF. The odd thing is once sensitized I haven't seemed to recover even tho it was only 3 weeks.
>
> Atlanta has been wimaxed and there are towers everywhere. As you drive toward the city you see so many. Symptoms of spine pressure, agitation (subtle), a weird alertness, and occasionally irregular heartbeats now when I'm around strong wifi in a store...etc. It's very unpleasant. I don't know whatto do.
>
> I don't see any solution for anybody really, because wimax is going everywhere. Give it another five years. Everybody will have even stronger wifi routers.
>
> This just makes a good, "kooky" story but will not change policy. If in 1996 they passed a law that no local govt could question ie litigate placement of towers based on health, its a long upward battle. They put their protection into place quite a while ago. Tell me how we're going to change this. And most people are not sensitive or even if they had mild symptoms wouldn't care. In addition, good studies might require years--epidemiological studies that look at rates of illness/cancer around towers, and exactly how far. And it's complicated now by wifi routers. I can't even imagine how you could design a good human study. You'd just have to do animal studies.
>
> It took quite a long while for scientists to get bisphenol A on the "bad"list. They did study after study with alarming results but the industry just did their own sponsored studies. It was so profitable. It took so much effort to target just ONE chemical.
>
> This is a way of life. If I were to move to that farmhouse if it WASN'T moldy--who's to say in ten years it won't be wimaxed too? That at some pointthe farmer next door will sell his land and a developer will come in and abunch of homes will go up with N-routers?
>
> I don't see a solution. In my case, I think I'm sensitized because I havelyme disease which broke down my system, leading to MCS and now ES. But I think the whole population is affected. For instance, they now are finding that phthalate exposure affects boys' intelligence (endocrine disrupter--estrogen mimic). There was also a great study a while back that found that the level of phthalates in baby boy's urine correlated with the distance fromthe anus to the scrotum--less distance ie more feminized with higher levels of the endocrine disrupters. No mother could notice that with her naked eye. But it was a clear indication that effects were occurring. The same is probably true of wimax, wifi (which I think are much worse than cellphones but that's my subjective sense).
>
>

> How can we see this ABC video?
>
> --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Robert Williams <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> From: Robert Williams <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi on ABC.com
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 7:44 AM
>
> WiMAX falls into a different category then cell towers - there are all sorts of cities and libraries and schools that have stopped city wide wimax and local wimax.
>
> Think of someone with a peanut allergy - if you get onto a plane and someone says they have a peanut allergy - they tell everyone on the plane to refrain from eating anything that has peanuts - Same with schools.
>
> Did everyone look at the ABC video of the woman that was EHS? The program went to great lengths to inform the audience that the WIFI was really bad. They stepped accross a big line.
>
> First it was cell phones - a senate hearing and then warnings - even the FCC changed their RF page about cell phones to warn people. Now they are moving onto WIFI - and cell towers. They are using people that are allergicto electricity as a means of showing the harm without scientific studies because no one will allow them to be funded.
>
> Unless we speak up and complain - the press will have no one to come to for a story. The autistic moms screamed about thimerisol in vaccines and that made a very big impact with the H1N1 flu shots. No one trust the WHO because of it.
>
> The doctor in the Video said that he is seeing 10 times the amount of patients that are like this than 10 years ago. It's only going to get more common and people will complain to the point that things will change. They took the lead out of gas. The are taking down the coal plants - they are replacing the lead pipes. Things do change but only if you request the change and only if the doctors and the press and the government is informed.
>
> Wifi is no different than mercury fillings or for vacinations. The FDA denies the harmful effects but how many dentists use it now? How many doctorssaid - Ah - I think we need vaccines without mercury. You can run to the country to get well but you need to also warn the country folks that it's comming to their town unless they stand up and fight it.
>
> On 2010-04-06, at 9:32 AM, cocopollyphenol wrote:
>
> > I think if I were him and I owned the house, I'd adapt the house to block wifi etc. As long as he was choosing to live in town, and not on acreagesomewhere, he was going to be in trouble sooner or later.
> >
> > I spent a week out at a farmhouse out in the country, with a few low signals from neighbors who weren't all that close, and more importantly, not a blanket of wimax and only a few cellphone towers. I could sit in the parking lot across from a cellphone tower and feel okay, it was an older one, without a zillion dishes on it.
> >
> > I felt relaxed. However, the farmhouse had a mold problem that made me sick as a dog.
> >
> > We came back into the Atlanta area and I began to feel ems symptoms. I am sensitized more now since being in that house. I don't know what was wrong with that house but I wonder if that wifi router gave off extra strong signals, was somehow faulty. I also know it was a strong router. That whole neighborhood was blanketed with wifi in every single house, sometimes two to a house. In addition maybe that house had faulty wiring or extra EMF. Theodd thing is once sensitized I haven't seemed to recover even tho it was only 3 weeks.
> >
> > Atlanta has been wimaxed and there are towers everywhere. As you drive toward the city you see so many. Symptoms of spine pressure, agitation (subtle), a weird alertness, and occasionally irregular heartbeats now when I'maround strong wifi in a store...etc. It's very unpleasant. I don't know what to do.
> >
> > I don't see any solution for anybody really, because wimax is going everywhere. Give it another five years. Everybody will have even stronger wifirouters.
> >
> > This just makes a good, "kooky" story but will not change policy. If in1996 they passed a law that no local govt could question ie litigate placement of towers based on health, its a long upward battle. They put their protection into place quite a while ago. Tell me how we're going to change this. And most people are not sensitive or even if they had mild symptoms wouldn't care. In addition, good studies might require years--epidemiological studies that look at rates of illness/cancer around towers, and exactly howfar. And it's complicated now by wifi routers. I can't even imagine how you could design a good human study. You'd just have to do animal studies.
> >
> > It took quite a long while for scientists to get bisphenol A on the "bad" list. They did study after study with alarming results but the industry just did their own sponsored studies. It was so profitable. It took so mucheffort to target just ONE chemical.
> >
> > This is a way of life. If I were to move to that farmhouse if it WASN'Tmoldy--who's to say in ten years it won't be wimaxed too? That at some point the farmer next door will sell his land and a developer will come in anda bunch of homes will go up with N-routers?
> >
> > I don't see a solution. In my case, I think I'm sensitized because I have lyme disease which broke down my system, leading to MCS and now ES. But I think the whole population is affected. For instance, they now are finding that phthalate exposure affects boys' intelligence (endocrine disrupter--estrogen mimic). There was also a great study a while back that found that the level of phthalates in baby boy's urine correlated with the distance from the anus to the scrotum--less distance ie more feminized with higher levels of the endocrine disrupters. No mother could notice that with her nakedeye. But it was a clear indication that effects were occurring. The same is probably true of wimax, wifi (which I think are much worse than cellphones but that's my subjective sense).
> >
> >
>
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>
> WiMAX falls into a different category then cell towers - there are all sorts of cities and libraries and schools that have stopped city wide wimax and local wimax.
>
> Think of someone with a peanut allergy - if you get onto a plane and someone says they have a peanut allergy - they tell everyone on the plane to refrain from eating anything that has peanuts - Same with schools.
>
> Did everyone look at the ABC video of the woman that was EHS? The program went to great lengths to inform the audience that the WIFI was really bad. They stepped accross a big line.
>
> First it was cell phones - a senate hearing and then warnings - even the FCC changed their RF page about cell phones to warn people. Now they are moving onto WIFI - and cell towers. They are using people that are allergicto electricity as a means of showing the harm without scientific studies because no one will allow them to be funded.
>
> Unless we speak up and complain - the press will have no one to come to for a story. The autistic moms screamed about thimerisol in vaccines and that made a very big impact with the H1N1 flu shots. No one trust the WHO because of it.
>
> The doctor in the Video said that he is seeing 10 times the amount of patients that are like this than 10 years ago. It's only going to get more common and people will complain to the point that things will change. They took the lead out of gas. The are taking down the coal plants - they are replacing the lead pipes. Things do change but only if you request the change and only if the doctors and the press and the government is informed.
>
> Wifi is no different than mercury fillings or for vacinations. The FDA denies the harmful effects but how many dentists use it now? How many doctorssaid - Ah - I think we need vaccines without mercury. You can run to the country to get well but you need to also warn the country folks that it's comming to their town unless they stand up and fight it.
>
>
>
> On 2010-04-06, at 9:32 AM, cocopollyphenol wrote:
>
> > I think if I were him and I owned the house, I'd adapt the house to block wifi etc. As long as he was choosing to live in town, and not on acreagesomewhere, he was going to be in trouble sooner or later.
> >
> > I spent a week out at a farmhouse out in the country, with a few low signals from neighbors who weren't all that close, and more importantly, not a blanket of wimax and only a few cellphone towers. I could sit in the parking lot across from a cellphone tower and feel okay, it was an older one, without a zillion dishes on it.
> >
> > I felt relaxed. However, the farmhouse had a mold problem that made me sick as a dog.
> >
> > We came back into the Atlanta area and I began to feel ems symptoms. I am sensitized more now since being in that house. I don't know what was wrong with that house but I wonder if that wifi router gave off extra strong signals, was somehow faulty. I also know it was a strong router. That whole neighborhood was blanketed with wifi in every single house, sometimes two to a house. In addition maybe that house had faulty wiring or extra EMF. Theodd thing is once sensitized I haven't seemed to recover even tho it was only 3 weeks.
> >
> > Atlanta has been wimaxed and there are towers everywhere. As you drive toward the city you see so many. Symptoms of spine pressure, agitation (subtle), a weird alertness, and occasionally irregular heartbeats now when I'maround strong wifi in a store...etc. It's very unpleasant. I don't know what to do.
> >
> > I don't see any solution for anybody really, because wimax is going everywhere. Give it another five years. Everybody will have even stronger wifirouters.
> >
> > This just makes a good, "kooky" story but will not change policy. If in1996 they passed a law that no local govt could question ie litigate placement of towers based on health, its a long upward battle. They put their protection into place quite a while ago. Tell me how we're going to change this. And most people are not sensitive or even if they had mild symptoms wouldn't care. In addition, good studies might require years--epidemiological studies that look at rates of illness/cancer around towers, and exactly howfar. And it's complicated now by wifi routers. I can't even imagine how you could design a good human study. You'd just have to do animal studies.
> >
> > It took quite a long while for scientists to get bisphenol A on the "bad" list. They did study after study with alarming results but the industry just did their own sponsored studies. It was so profitable. It took so mucheffort to target just ONE chemical.
> >
> > This is a way of life. If I were to move to that farmhouse if it WASN'Tmoldy--who's to say in ten years it won't be wimaxed too? That at some point the farmer next door will sell his land and a developer will come in anda bunch of homes will go up with N-routers?
> >
> > I don't see a solution. In my case, I think I'm sensitized because I have lyme disease which broke down my system, leading to MCS and now ES. But I think the whole population is affected. For instance, they now are finding that phthalate exposure affects boys' intelligence (endocrine disrupter--estrogen mimic). There was also a great study a while back that found that the level of phthalates in baby boy's urine correlated with the distance from the anus to the scrotum--less distance ie more feminized with higher levels of the endocrine disrupters. No mother could notice that with her nakedeye. But it was a clear indication that effects were occurring. The same is probably true of wimax, wifi (which I think are much worse than cellphones but that's my subjective sense).
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>

>
> Stopping wimax is the exception not the rule.
>
> Look at this March news item:
>
> http://gigaom.com/2010/03/23/la-miami-and-middle-america-to-get-wimax/
>
> Clearwire said today that it would expand its WiMAX network to Cincinnati, Cleveland, Los Angeles, Miami, Pittsburgh, Salt Lake City and St. Louis this year. In its effort to cover 120 million people before the end of the year, these cities will join previously announced network buildouts in 2010 in New York City, San Francisco, Boston, Washington, D.C., Denver, Minneapolis and Kansas City.
>
> ------
> It's extremely troublesome. And it is like an avalanche gaining momentum.
> --- In [hidden email], Robert Williams <robert_connolly@...> wrote:
> >
> > WiMAX falls into a different category then cell towers - there are all sorts of cities and libraries and schools that have stopped city wide wimaxand local wimax.
> >
> > Think of someone with a peanut allergy - if you get onto a plane and someone says they have a peanut allergy - they tell everyone on the plane to refrain from eating anything that has peanuts - Same with schools.
> >
> > Did everyone look at the ABC video of the woman that was EHS? The program went to great lengths to inform the audience that the WIFI was really bad. They stepped accross a big line.
> >
> > First it was cell phones - a senate hearing and then warnings - even the FCC changed their RF page about cell phones to warn people. Now they are moving onto WIFI - and cell towers. They are using people that are allergicto electricity as a means of showing the harm without scientific studies because no one will allow them to be funded.
> >
> > Unless we speak up and complain - the press will have no one to come tofor a story. The autistic moms screamed about thimerisol in vaccines and that made a very big impact with the H1N1 flu shots. No one trust the WHO because of it.
> >
> > The doctor in the Video said that he is seeing 10 times the amount of patients that are like this than 10 years ago. It's only going to get more common and people will complain to the point that things will change. They took the lead out of gas. The are taking down the coal plants - they are replacing the lead pipes. Things do change but only if you request the change and only if the doctors and the press and the government is informed.
> >
> > Wifi is no different than mercury fillings or for vacinations. The FDA denies the harmful effects but how many dentists use it now? How many doctors said - Ah - I think we need vaccines without mercury. You can run to thecountry to get well but you need to also warn the country folks that it's comming to their town unless they stand up and fight it.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2010-04-06, at 9:32 AM, cocopollyphenol wrote:
> >
> > > I think if I were him and I owned the house, I'd adapt the house to block wifi etc. As long as he was choosing to live in town, and not on acreage somewhere, he was going to be in trouble sooner or later.
> > >
> > > I spent a week out at a farmhouse out in the country, with a few low signals from neighbors who weren't all that close, and more importantly, not a blanket of wimax and only a few cellphone towers. I could sit in the parking lot across from a cellphone tower and feel okay, it was an older one,without a zillion dishes on it.
> > >
> > > I felt relaxed. However, the farmhouse had a mold problem that made me sick as a dog.
> > >
> > > We came back into the Atlanta area and I began to feel ems symptoms. I am sensitized more now since being in that house. I don't know what was wrong with that house but I wonder if that wifi router gave off extra strongsignals, was somehow faulty. I also know it was a strong router. That whole neighborhood was blanketed with wifi in every single house, sometimes twoto a house. In addition maybe that house had faulty wiring or extra EMF. The odd thing is once sensitized I haven't seemed to recover even tho it wasonly 3 weeks.
> > >
> > > Atlanta has been wimaxed and there are towers everywhere. As you drive toward the city you see so many. Symptoms of spine pressure, agitation (subtle), a weird alertness, and occasionally irregular heartbeats now when I'm around strong wifi in a store...etc. It's very unpleasant. I don't know what to do.
> > >
> > > I don't see any solution for anybody really, because wimax is going everywhere. Give it another five years. Everybody will have even stronger wifi routers.
> > >
> > > This just makes a good, "kooky" story but will not change policy. If in 1996 they passed a law that no local govt could question ie litigate placement of towers based on health, its a long upward battle. They put their protection into place quite a while ago. Tell me how we're going to change this. And most people are not sensitive or even if they had mild symptoms wouldn't care. In addition, good studies might require years--epidemiological studies that look at rates of illness/cancer around towers, and exactly how far. And it's complicated now by wifi routers. I can't even imagine how you could design a good human study. You'd just have to do animal studies.
> > >
> > > It took quite a long while for scientists to get bisphenol A on the "bad" list. They did study after study with alarming results but the industry just did their own sponsored studies. It was so profitable. It took so much effort to target just ONE chemical.
> > >
> > > This is a way of life. If I were to move to that farmhouse if it WASN'T moldy--who's to say in ten years it won't be wimaxed too? That at some point the farmer next door will sell his land and a developer will come in and a bunch of homes will go up with N-routers?
> > >
> > > I don't see a solution. In my case, I think I'm sensitized because I have lyme disease which broke down my system, leading to MCS and now ES. But I think the whole population is affected. For instance, they now are finding that phthalate exposure affects boys' intelligence (endocrine disrupter--estrogen mimic). There was also a great study a while back that found that the level of phthalates in baby boy's urine correlated with the distance from the anus to the scrotum--less distance ie more feminized with higher levels of the endocrine disrupters. No mother could notice that with her naked eye. But it was a clear indication that effects were occurring. The sameis probably true of wimax, wifi (which I think are much worse than cellphones but that's my subjective sense).
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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