Suing neighbor over wi-fi

> Ian:
>  
> Yes it just makes sense. One person can handle all the pollution. What ever it is; ie. electrosmog or chemicals or mold spores (which really is a chemical) Then one can not handle it. GENETIC WEAKNESS. Loni
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> hu, 4/8/10, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi / EMF and genetics
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 5:22 PM
>
>  
>
> I'd agree with Loni on this. The "genetic weakness" may come out in various
> ways, or not appear at all if you're lucky enough to avoid the things that
> cause a reaction. ES probably only appears if you get the trigger.
>
> Looking at our own family, there may be a link to alcoholism in previous
> generations in one branch - again a link to liver and metabolism, and
> inability to self-detoxify. Some people are more susceptible than others.
> (There may also be a variation between different ethnic groups - in a
> similar way some Asians don't have the ability to process dairy products,if
> I remember rightly)
>
> Ian
>
> _____
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> From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf OfLoni
> Sent: 08 April 2010 04:47
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
>
> That doesn't mean that they are not predisposed. You may have been
> overexposed to chemicals or EMF with out even knowing & made you ES. But
> there probably is a genetic issue concerning most people that are inflicted.
> The ability to remove toxins what ever it may be. IMO. Loni
>
> --- On Wed, 4/7/10, stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve r
> <mailto:stephen_ vandevijvere% 40yahoo.com> [hidden email]> wrote:
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> From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve r
> <mailto:stephen_ vandevijvere% 40yahoo.com> [hidden email]>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
> Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 6:22 PM
>
> If ES is mainly genetic, many members of our families would be ES as well?
>
> At my family (30 persons: parents, brother, sister, uncles, cousins.) nobody
> is ES.
>
> Stephen.
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> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@...> wrote:
> >
> > My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to
> EMS with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues
> (immune system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.
> >
> >
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> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
> >
> >
> > > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?
> >
> > I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome
> > to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,
> > you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...
> >
> > Marc
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> Ian:
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> Yes it just makes sense. One person can handle all the pollution. What ever it is; ie. electrosmog or chemicals or mold spores (which really is a chemical) Then one can not handle it. GENETIC WEAKNESS. Loni
>
> hu, 4/8/10, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi / EMF and genetics
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 5:22 PM
>
>   
>
> I'd agree with Loni on this. The "genetic weakness" may come out in various
> ways, or not appear at all if you're lucky enough to avoid the things that
> cause a reaction. ES probably only appears if you get the trigger.
>
> Looking at our own family, there may be a link to alcoholism in previous
> generations in one branch - again a link to liver and metabolism, and
> inability to self-detoxify. Some people are more susceptible than others.
> (There may also be a variation between different ethnic groups - in a
> similar way some Asians don't have the ability to process dairy products,if
> I remember rightly)
>
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf OfLoni
> Sent: 08 April 2010 04:47
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
>
> That doesn't mean that they are not predisposed. You may have been
> overexposed to chemicals or EMF with out even knowing & made you ES. But
> there probably is a genetic issue concerning most people that are inflicted.
> The ability to remove toxins what ever it may be. IMO. Loni
>
> --- On Wed, 4/7/10, stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve r
> <mailto:stephen_ vandevijvere% 40yahoo.com> [hidden email]> wrote:
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> From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve r
> <mailto:stephen_ vandevijvere% 40yahoo.com> [hidden email]>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
> Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 6:22 PM
>
> If ES is mainly genetic, many members of our families would be ES as well?
>
> At my family (30 persons: parents, brother, sister, uncles, cousins.) nobody
> is ES.
>
> Stephen.
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@...> wrote:
> >
> > My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to
> EMS with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues
> (immune system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
> >
> >
> > > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?
> >
> > I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome
> > to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,
> > you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...
> >
> > Marc
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> People should know the fields are about a billion times stronger than the
> natural background (depending on what bandwidth you use to measure).
>
> When I talk to other physicists, most are sure that Bob Park is right
> and we are all nuts.  BUT, the ones who have worked with microwaves are
> quite surprised if I tell them my office read over 800mV/m before I shielded
> the walls.
>
> There are physicists who (like many radiochemists who aren't afraid of
> radioactivity) are "brave" and careless with microwaves.  I don't know
> but I suspect this could have been the case with Prof. Andrew Lange, who
> was a top researcher in microwave astronomy but took his own life earlier
> this year.
>
> Bill
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> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> When ABC came to my home to film the sequence they arrived sceptical
>> about all elements of the story and left convinced that I had a real
>> health problem and that EMR was the trigger. I had picked one of the
>> biggest phone masts in London to demonstrate how bad the e-smog was at
>> any time and how effective the shielding was against bombardment by EMR.
>>
>> The electrosmog detector provided the 'scientific proof'.
>>
>> We can all generate coverage via significant media networks. Once the
>> ABC feature was transmitted in the USA several years ago I was
>> approached by other TV producers and magazine editors. ABC have now
>> used this footage again - this is important and indicates that they
>> believe the story. We need to write to them and explain how EMR
>> affects our own lives.
>>
>> EMR and health is a massive story and to generate coverage we need
>> others prepared to invite journalists and producers into their lives.
>>
>> Contact your local newsdesk and invite them to your own location and
>> show them how bad the readings are at your home or office and describe
>> your health challenges. Most of them are aware of this rumbling time
>> bomb and they need opportunities to film other worthy stories.
>>
>> I am prepared to guide and advise you if you wish to approach your
>> local TV station.
>>
>> best wishes
>>
>> Sarah Dacre
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Williams <[hidden email]<robert_connolly%40rogers.com>
>> >
>> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:29
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi on ABC.com
>>
>> It was the video that accompanied the Arthurs story on ABC
>>
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/allergic-electronics-man-sues-neighbor-gadget/story?id=10240343
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>> Play the video that goes with the story.
>>
>> As you can see - ABC is not laughing at this story. They are informing
>> the public - producing videos like this is expensive.
>> Writing a story takes a few hours. Making a video takes about a weeks
>> worth of work.
>>
>> NOW - EVERYONE ON THIS SITE SHOULD GO A POST A REPLY TO THAT STORY!!!!!!
>> When the editors see that there is so much response to it they will run
>> more stories about it.
>> IT"S REALLY TIME TO TELL THE WORLD YOUR STORY....
>>
>> The cell phone activists did it - they brought it to everyones
>> attention. Now it's our turn.
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>> On 2010-04-06, at 11:41 AM, Loni wrote:
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>> > How can we see this ABC video?
>> >
>> > --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Robert Williams <[hidden email]<robert_connolly%40rogers.com>>
>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Robert Williams <[hidden email]<robert_connolly%40rogers.com>
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi on ABC.com
>> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 7:44 AM
>> >
>> > WiMAX falls into a different category then cell towers - there are
>> all sorts of cities and libraries and schools that have stopped city
>> wide wimax and local wimax.
>> >
>> > Think of someone with a peanut allergy - if you get onto a plane and
>> someone says they have a peanut allergy - they tell everyone on the
>> plane to refrain from eating anything that has peanuts - Same with
>> schools.
>> >
>> > Did everyone look at the ABC video of the woman that was EHS? The
>> program went to great lengths to inform the audience that the WIFI was
>> really bad. They stepped accross a big line.
>> >
>> > First it was cell phones - a senate hearing and then warnings - even
>> the FCC changed their RF page about cell phones to warn people. Now
>> they are moving onto WIFI - and cell towers. They are using people
>> that are allergic to electricity as a means of showing the harm without
>> scientific studies because no one will allow them to be funded.
>> >
>> > Unless we speak up and complain - the press will have no one to come
>> to for a story. The autistic moms screamed about thimerisol in vaccines
>> and that made a very big impact with the H1N1 flu shots. No one trust
>> the WHO because of it.
>> >
>> > The doctor in the Video said that he is seeing 10 times the amount of
>> patients that are like this than 10 years ago. It's only going to get
>> more common and people will complain to the point that things will
>> change. They took the lead out of gas. The are taking down the coal
>> plants - they are replacing the lead pipes. Things do change but only
>> if you request the change and only if the doctors and the press and the
>> government is informed.
>> >
>> > Wifi is no different than mercury fillings or for vacinations. The
>> FDA denies the harmful effects but how many dentists use it now? How
>> many doctors said - Ah - I think we need vaccines without mercury. You
>> can run to the country to get well but you need to also warn the
>> country folks that it's comming to their town unless they stand up and
>> fight it.
>> >
>> > On 2010-04-06, at 9:32 AM, cocopollyphenol wrote:
>> >
>> > > I think if I were him and I owned the house, I'd adapt the house to
>> block wifi etc. As long as he was choosing to live in town, and not on
>> acreage somewhere, he was going to be in trouble sooner or later.
>> > >
>> > > I spent a week out at a farmhouse out in the country, with a few
>> low signals from neighbors who weren't all that close, and more
>> importantly, not a blanket of wimax and only a few cellphone towers. I
>> could sit in the parking lot across from a cellphone tower and feel
>> okay, it was an older one, without a zillion dishes on it.
>> > >
>> > > I felt relaxed. However, the farmhouse had a mold problem that made
>> me sick as a dog.
>> > >
>> > > We came back into the Atlanta area and I began to feel ems
>> symptoms. I am sensitized more now since being in that house. I don't
>> know what was wrong with that house but I wonder if that wifi router
>> gave off extra strong signals, was somehow faulty. I also know it was a
>> strong router. That whole neighborhood was blanketed with wifi in every
>> single house, sometimes two to a house. In addition maybe that house
>> had faulty wiring or extra EMF. The odd thing is once sensitized I
>> haven't seemed to recover even tho it was only 3 weeks.
>> > >
>> > > Atlanta has been wimaxed and there are towers everywhere. As you
>> drive toward the city you see so many. Symptoms of spine pressure,
>> agitation (subtle), a weird alertness, and occasionally irregular
>> heartbeats now when I'm around strong wifi in a store...etc. It's very
>> unpleasant. I don't know what to do.
>> > >
>> > > I don't see any solution for anybody really, because wimax is going
>> everywhere. Give it another five years. Everybody will have even
>> stronger wifi routers.
>> > >
>> > > This just makes a good, "kooky" story but will not change policy.
>> If in 1996 they passed a law that no local govt could question ie
>> litigate placement of towers based on health, its a long upward battle.
>> They put their protection into place quite a while ago. Tell me how
>> we're going to change this. And most people are not sensitive or even
>> if they had mild symptoms wouldn't care. In addition, good studies
>> might require years--epidemiological studies that look at rates of
>> illness/cancer around towers, and exactly how far. And it's complicated
>> now by wifi routers. I can't even imagine how you could design a good
>> human study. You'd just have to do animal studies.
>> > >
>> > > It took quite a long while for scientists to get bisphenol A on the
>> "bad" list. They did study after study with alarming results but the
>> industry just did their own sponsored studies. It was so profitable. It
>> took so much effort to target just ONE chemical.
>> > >
>> > > This is a way of life. If I were to move to that farmhouse if it
>> WASN'T moldy--who's to say in ten years it won't be wimaxed too? That
>> at some point the farmer next door will sell his land and a developer
>> will come in and a bunch of homes will go up with N-routers?
>> > >
>> > > I don't see a solution. In my case, I think I'm sensitized because
>> I have lyme disease which broke down my system, leading to MCS and now
>> ES. But I think the whole population is affected. For instance, they
>> now are finding that phthalate exposure affects boys' intelligence
>> (endocrine disrupter--estrogen mimic). There was also a great study a
>> while back that found that the level of phthalates in baby boy's urine
>> correlated with the distance from the anus to the scrotum--less
>> distance ie more feminized with higher levels of the endocrine
>> disrupters. No mother could notice that with her naked eye. But it was
>> a clear indication that effects were occurring. The same is probably
>> true of wimax, wifi (which I think are much worse than cellphones but
>> that's my subjective sense).
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> Puk replies - lets call it the vanguard gene !
>  
>  
> In a message dated 09/04/2010 15:02:23 GMT Daylight Time,  
> robert_connolly@... writes:
>
> I had my genetic testing done and just got my results back and it seems
> that I have the genes that are related to susceptibility of getting chronic
> lukemia. It costs $1,000 and there are testing centers that are popping up
> everywhere.  
>
> My father was a telephone switchboard operator then radar policeman that
> died of brain cancer.
>
> Perhaps this is a marker for EHS? Your body, mind soul saying "Stay away
> from EM fields" ?  
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Puk replies - lets call it the vanguard gene !
>
>
> In a message dated 09/04/2010 15:02:23 GMT Daylight Time,
> robert_connolly@ ... writes:
>
> I had my genetic testing done and just got my results back and it seems
> that I have the genes that are related to susceptibility of getting chronic
> lukemia. It costs $1,000 and there are testing centers that are popping up
> everywhere.
>
> My father was a telephone switchboard operator then radar policeman that
> died of brain cancer.
>
> Perhaps this is a marker for EHS? Your body, mind soul saying "Stay away
> from EM fields" ?
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> I have a very different take on this genetic (eugenic) stuff. -
>
> Everyone will get cancer if given enough exposure to a toxin that causes it.
> Everyone, will get esens, if given enough exposure, everyone will catch avirus if given enough exposure, etc.
>
> Do you all really think we just suddenly have gotten a cancer or other gene in just the last 30-40 years? Just out of the blue, because our grandparents didn't have it, our parents didn't have it, they didn't have diabetes,they didn't have low thyroid, etc., etc. - for the most part. -UNLESS - they'd been exposed to something that caused that deterioration.
>
> We've gone from almost zero cancer to 50%, yes, minimum 50% of the North American and UK population. That is the statistics.
> 100% of us are projected to get it by the year 2020. That is the CDC's last projection I saw. It may have moved forward (closer) however, since we were already ahead of their projection layout by about 10% several years ago.
>
> So 100% of us have cancer genes? I don't think so. It is just another wayto make money for the petroleum> which owns the chemical> which owns the pharmeceutical companies, while treating what you are told are differing symptoms, requiring different medications, because only they have the answers,and in the process will keep you sick, keep you giving them your money, and kill you in the end, because it never cures anything.
>
> Only nature can cure nature.
>
> Yes, some people will show symptoms sooner in any condition, we're all built differently, but if we have a genetic weakness where did that come from? It came from exposure - exposure to the same things in our environment that have made us sick now;
>
> 1. Radiation
> 2. Chemicals (including inbreeding)
> 3. Heavy metals/elements in toxic doses
> 4. Injury
> 5. Nutritional Deficiency
> 6. Mass microbial infection (equalling chemical exposure) -via a sick person, direct injection by vaccine, aerosols, water, etc.
>
> All these are reversible if given enough time and resources.
>
> "Nothing happens unexpectedly, everything has an indication, we only haveto observe the connections."
>
> That's my 2 cents. I just think you're barking up the wrong tree.
>
> ~ Snoshoe
>
> --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
> >
> > Puk replies - lets call it the vanguard gene !
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 09/04/2010 15:02:23 GMT Daylight Time,
> > robert_connolly@... writes:
> >
> > I had my genetic testing done and just got my results back and it seems
> > that I have the genes that are related to susceptibility of getting chronic
> > lukemia. It costs $1,000 and there are testing centers that are poppingup
> > everywhere.
> >
> > My father was a telephone switchboard operator then radar policeman that
> > died of brain cancer.
> >
> > Perhaps this is a marker for EHS? Your body, mind soul saying "Stay away
> > from EM fields" ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

>
> Puk replies - lets call it the vanguard gene !
>
>
> In a message dated 09/04/2010 15:02:23 GMT Daylight Time,
> robert_connolly@ ... writes:
>
> I had my genetic testing done and just got my results back and it seems
> that I have the genes that are related to susceptibility of getting chronic
> lukemia. It costs $1,000 and there are testing centers that are popping up
> everywhere.
>
> My father was a telephone switchboard operator then radar policeman that
> died of brain cancer.
>
> Perhaps this is a marker for EHS? Your body, mind soul saying "Stay away
> from EM fields" ?
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Puk replies - lets call it the vanguard gene !
>
>
> In a message dated 09/04/2010 15:02:23 GMT Daylight Time,
> robert_connolly@ ... writes:
>
> I had my genetic testing done and just got my results back and it seems
> that I have the genes that are related to susceptibility of getting chronic
> lukemia. It costs $1,000 and there are testing centers that are popping up
> everywhere.
>
> My father was a telephone switchboard operator then radar policeman that
> died of brain cancer.
>
> Perhaps this is a marker for EHS? Your body, mind soul saying "Stay away
> from EM fields" ?
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> From: Evie <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 9:38 AM
> Hi Cheryl,
>  
> Yes, fatigue--exhaustion, really--has been a life-long
> problem for me, also.  It wasn't till my nutritionist
> suggested CalAEP and pantethine 5 years ago that I was able
> to overcome it (mostly overcome it--I still have short
> periods of great fatigue).  I was home/bed-bound for 13
> years straight due to exhaustion, and for many years before
> that off and on.  I had signs of a type of ES from early
> childhood (among other serious medical problems)--I shocked
> and fried things, couldn't wear watches, felt like I was a
> "capacitor".....  It wasn't till a toxic pesticide event 4
> years ago that I came down with all of the symptoms most
> people have here.  Before that, tho, I also had autonomic
> nervous system symptoms that I now know were caused by emf
> exposure (esp to magnetic frequencies) for many, many
> years.  The ANS disorder symptom of plummeting blood
> pressure is the biggest offender for me, as far as causing
> fatigue goes.  When I am subject to high emf
> exposure, it causes my bp to quickly fall, which then
> causes great fatigue until the bp is adequately
> addressed.  This is when the cal AEP and pantethine are
> most quickly helpful.  But I see help taking the cal AEP
> and pantethine other times as well, for fatigue
> (because calAEP and pantethine also feed the adrenals).
>  
> I was very low energy all of my life till I started taking
> this duo, Cheryl.  I now can hike, bike, garden, shop
> (without the drop  lol).....
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Sat, 4/10/10, Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 3:28 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> That's very interesting. For me, also, fatigue has been the
> most difficult part of EMS. I believe that it has resulted
> in adrenal fatigue as I was told by an expert that EMF
> exposure causes that, and I have the exact symptoms of it.
>
> Cheryl 
>
> --- On Fri, 4/9/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 1:23 PM
>
>  
>
> Loni,
>
>  
>
> Have you ever checked to see if you have any autonomic
> nervous system disorder signs?  For instance, can you
> notice a difference in your blood pressure (by taking it
> with a meter) on days you feel well than on days you feel
> poorly/fatigued?  I could, and I finally found a way to
> address it using supplements. 
>
>  
>
> Diane
>
>  
>
> --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>
> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 5:35 PM
>
>  
>
> The thing about symptoms of ES is that fatigue is a huge
> issue for me. I didn't know that was from ES until 2 years
> ago. Loni
>
> --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech.
> net> wrote:
>
> From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
>
> Subject: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>
> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 2:02 PM
>
>  
>
> I think time will tell if genetics are a factor unless
> science proves or disproves it first. While MCS and EMS are
> different conditions there seems to be a high correlation
> between people who have both. I started with allergies, MCS
> and EMS in my early/mid 40s. My children have all developed
> allergies in their late teens/early 20s and are starting to
> show signs of MCS. My grandchildren have developed allergies
> in their preschool years. My husband is the only person in
> our family who does not have any trouble with allergies.
> Maybe it's just the allergies that are genetic but as I said
> my children (all in their 20s) are starting to show signs of
> MCS. I have tried to educate them on keeping away from
> chemicals as much as possible. I tell them their bodies are
> like sponges soaking up the chemicals around them. Once the
> "sponge" is full and can not tolerate any more chemicals it
> will start to react. So the longer they can keep chemicals
> out the
>
> their systems the longer they can stay healthy. So far none
> of them have shown signs of EMS. :)
>
> Jennie
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve r [hidden email]>
>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>
> Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 9:22:13 PM
>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
>
> If ES is mainly genetic, many members of our families would
> be ES as well?
>
> At my family (30 persons: parents, brother, sister, uncles,
> cousins…) nobody is ES…
>
> Stephen.
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Jennie Wassenaar
> <ad-in@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we
> are predisposed to EMS with exposure but with avoidance and
> up keep of other health issues (immune system, etc.) we can
> minimize the effects.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> > From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
>
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>
> > Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM
>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?
>
> >
>
> > I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can
> be overcome
>
> > to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and
> certainly with ES,
>
> > you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...
>
> >
>
> > Marc
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
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>
>      
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     [hidden email]
>
>
>

> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 9:38 AM
> Hi Cheryl,
>  
> Yes, fatigue--exhaustion , really--has been a life-long
> problem for me, also.  It wasn't till my nutritionist
> suggested CalAEP and pantethine 5 years ago that I was able
> to overcome it (mostly overcome it--I still have short
> periods of great fatigue).  I was home/bed-bound for 13
> years straight due to exhaustion, and for many years before
> that off and on.  I had signs of a type of ES from early
> childhood (among other serious medical problems)--I shocked
> and fried things, couldn't wear watches, felt like I was a
> "capacitor". ....  It wasn't till a toxic pesticide event 4
> years ago that I came down with all of the symptoms most
> people have here.  Before that, tho, I also had autonomic
> nervous system symptoms that I now know were caused by emf
> exposure (esp to magnetic frequencies) for many, many
> years.  The ANS disorder symptom of plummeting blood
> pressure is the biggest offender for me, as far as causing
> fatigue goes.  When I am subject to high emf
> exposure, it causes my bp to quickly fall, which then
> causes great fatigue until the bp is adequately
> addressed.  This is when the cal AEP and pantethine are
> most quickly helpful.  But I see help taking the cal AEP
> and pantethine other times as well, for fatigue
> (because calAEP and pantethine also feed the adrenals).
>  
> I was very low energy all of my life till I started taking
> this duo, Cheryl.  I now can hike, bike, garden, shop
> (without the drop  lol).....
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Sat, 4/10/10, Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@ yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 3:28 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> That's very interesting. For me, also, fatigue has been the
> most difficult part of EMS. I believe that it has resulted
> in adrenal fatigue as I was told by an expert that EMF
> exposure causes that, and I have the exact symptoms of it.
>
> Cheryl 
>
> --- On Fri, 4/9/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 1:23 PM
>
>  
>
> Loni,
>
>  
>
> Have you ever checked to see if you have any autonomic
> nervous system disorder signs?  For instance, can you
> notice a difference in your blood pressure (by taking it
> with a meter) on days you feel well than on days you feel
> poorly/fatigued?  I could, and I finally found a way to
> address it using supplements. 
>
>  
>
> Diane
>
>  
>
> --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>
> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 5:35 PM
>
>  
>
> The thing about symptoms of ES is that fatigue is a huge
> issue for me. I didn't know that was from ES until 2 years
> ago. Loni
>
> --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech.
> net> wrote:
>
> From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
>
> Subject: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>
> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 2:02 PM
>
>  
>
> I think time will tell if genetics are a factor unless
> science proves or disproves it first. While MCS and EMS are
> different conditions there seems to be a high correlation
> between people who have both. I started with allergies, MCS
> and EMS in my early/mid 40s. My children have all developed
> allergies in their late teens/early 20s and are starting to
> show signs of MCS. My grandchildren have developed allergies
> in their preschool years. My husband is the only person in
> our family who does not have any trouble with allergies.
> Maybe it's just the allergies that are genetic but as I said
> my children (all in their 20s) are starting to show signs of
> MCS. I have tried to educate them on keeping away from
> chemicals as much as possible. I tell them their bodies are
> like sponges soaking up the chemicals around them. Once the
> "sponge" is full and can not tolerate any more chemicals it
> will start to react. So the longer they can keep chemicals
> out the
>
> their systems the longer they can stay healthy. So far none
> of them have shown signs of EMS. :)
>
> Jennie
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve r [hidden email]>
>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>
> Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 9:22:13 PM
>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
>
> If ES is mainly genetic, many members of our families would
> be ES as well?
>
> At my family (30 persons: parents, brother, sister, uncles,
> cousins…) nobody is ES…
>
> Stephen.
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Jennie Wassenaar
> <ad-in@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we
> are predisposed to EMS with exposure but with avoidance and
> up keep of other health issues (immune system, etc.) we can
> minimize the effects.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> > From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
>
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>
> > Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM
>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?
>
> >
>
> > I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can
> be overcome
>
> > to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and
> certainly with ES,
>
> > you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...
>
> >
>
> > Marc
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
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>
>      
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     eSens-fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com
>
>
>

> From: Evie <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Dosage for calAEP and pantethine
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 12:23 PM
> Hi Loni (and Steve--I was going to
> post this for you before Loni asked),
>  
> If you should try cal AEP (and this is necessary for
> pantethine also), you need to remember to start very small
> and work up slowly--you will need to repack the pills into
> empty capsules to start--start with just a 5th to a tenth of
> the regular contents in an empty capsule.  If this sounds
> hard, it isn't.  You don't need to measure--you can
> guestimate.  I did this totally manually (no repacking
> machine or whatever) on a day my hand tremor was
> steadiest.  I just pulled the cap apart and dumped some
> into empty caps (it helps if the empty caps are a little
> larger in size), which you can buy from a pharmacy or
> vitamin house by the bottle.  Take this dose until you
> notice no adverse symptoms, and then add a little more
> powder to your empty capsules and wait till no adverse
> symptoms, and on and on.....  (You must, however, pack it
> in an empty capsule--you cannot take the powder itself.) 
> You will need, over time, to build up to 6 to 9 full-dose
> capsules/each cal AEP and pantethine.  I took the  6 to
> 9/each dose for about a year; and took 9 each for at
> least a couple months of that.  Then, (after you have taken
> these within this dosage for some time) you can go to just
> taking it when you need it (2 caps each with a large glass
> of water every 20 minutes until you feel better--up to 6
> caps each (over on hour or more); I rarely need more than 4
> caps each, personally). 
>  
> I now take this only for actual emf exposures which cause
> bp plummeting or just a particularly bad emf exposure.  One
> thing I like about this is it is easy to carry with me
> always.  If I find myself reacting too often to emfs, tho,
> I go back to 6 to 9each/day (2 or 3 each/meal with water)
> for a month or so.  And I don't recommend taking this
> without building up to the 6 to 9each/day with meals--if
> you can take these with meals you should see a noticeable
> difference.  If you don't, then it is not likely something
> which is going to work for you in high emfs.
>  
> As to the exact formulations I take:
>  
> Wellness Resources brand Calcium AEP (there is only 1
> formulation there for Cal AEP--but I did mention the exact
> formula today in a post to Ian, earlier) 
>  
> http://www.wellnessresources.com/products/calcium_aep.php
>  
> and Wellness Resources brand Pantethine (300mg/cap):
>  
> http://www.wellnessresources.com/products/pantethine.php
>  
> At this site, he mentions non-ES research which was done at
> 900 mg doses but *he* is my nutritionist that I mentioned in
> a post to Kooky earlier today and *he* is who told me to
> take up to 2700 mg (9 pills)--which I did.  Does new
> research mean I could have taken only 900mg?  I don't
> know--but it worked/s the way he originally told me to take
> it.  My sense is that some people would probably respond to
> less.  I doubt I would have because I usually need 4
> pantethine caps (1200mg) to raise my bp.  Just remember
> that you take it in equal amounts cal to pantethine,
> according to his original directions, once you have gotten
> to the point you notice a difference. 
>  
> Hope this helps you, if you try it,
> Diane 
>
>
> --- On Sun, 4/11/10, Loni <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Loni <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 1:11 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Diane,
>  
> You probably gave your protocol before but could you tell
> us the brand of Cal AEP & Pantethine you use & the
> amount. Also, how long did it take you to overcome the
> fatigue while taking these suppliments!
>  
> Thanks a bunch!  Loni
>
> --- On Sun, 4/11/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 9:38 AM
>
>  
>
> Hi Cheryl,
>  
> Yes, fatigue--exhaustion , really--has been a life-long
> problem for me, also.  It wasn't till my nutritionist
> suggested CalAEP and pantethine 5 years ago that I was able
> to overcome it (mostly overcome it--I still have short
> periods of great fatigue).  I was home/bed-bound for 13
> years straight due to exhaustion, and for many years before
> that off and on.  I had signs of a type of ES from early
> childhood (among other serious medical problems)--I shocked
> and fried things, couldn't wear watches, felt like I was a
> "capacitor". ....  It wasn't till a toxic pesticide event 4
> years ago that I came down with all of the symptoms most
> people have here.  Before that, tho, I also had autonomic
> nervous system symptoms that I now know were caused by emf
> exposure (esp to magnetic frequencies) for many, many
> years.  The ANS disorder symptom of plummeting blood
> pressure is the biggest offender for me, as far as causing
> fatigue goes.  When I am subject to high
> emf
> exposure, it causes my bp to quickly fall, which then
> causes great fatigue until the bp is adequately
> addressed.  This is when the cal AEP and pantethine are
> most quickly helpful.  But I see help taking the cal AEP
> and pantethine other times as well, for fatigue
> (because calAEP and pantethine also feed the adrenals).
>  
> I was very low energy all of my life till I started taking
> this duo, Cheryl.  I now can hike, bike, garden, shop
> (without the drop  lol).....
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Sat, 4/10/10, Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@
> yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 3:28 AM
>
>  
>
> That's very interesting. For me, also, fatigue has been the
> most difficult part of EMS. I believe that it has resulted
> in adrenal fatigue as I was told by an expert that EMF
> exposure causes that, and I have the exact symptoms of it.
>
> Cheryl 
>
> --- On Fri, 4/9/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 1:23 PM
>
>  
>
> Loni,
>
>  
>
> Have you ever checked to see if you have any autonomic
> nervous system disorder signs?  For instance, can you
> notice a difference in your blood pressure (by taking it
> with a meter) on days you feel well than on days you feel
> poorly/fatigued?  I could, and I finally found a way to
> address it using supplements. 
>
>  
>
> Diane
>
>  
>
> --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>
> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 5:35 PM
>
>  
>
> The thing about symptoms of ES is that fatigue is a huge
> issue for me. I didn't know that was from ES until 2 years
> ago. Loni
>
> --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech.
> net> wrote:
>
> From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
>
> Subject: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>
> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 2:02 PM
>
>  
>
> I think time will tell if genetics are a factor unless
> science proves or disproves it first. While MCS and EMS are
> different conditions there seems to be a high correlation
> between people who have both. I started with allergies, MCS
> and EMS in my early/mid 40s. My children have all developed
> allergies in their late teens/early 20s and are starting to
> show signs of MCS. My grandchildren have developed allergies
> in their preschool years. My husband is the only person in
> our family who does not have any trouble with allergies.
> Maybe it's just the allergies that are genetic but as I said
> my children (all in their 20s) are starting to show signs of
> MCS. I have tried to educate them on keeping away from
> chemicals as much as possible. I tell them their bodies are
> like sponges soaking up the chemicals around them. Once the
> "sponge" is full and can not tolerate any more chemicals it
> will start to react. So the longer they can keep chemicals
> out the
>
> their systems the longer they can stay healthy. So far none
> of them have shown signs of EMS. :)
>
> Jennie
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve r [hidden email]>
>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>
> Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 9:22:13 PM
>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
>
> If ES is mainly genetic, many members of our families would
> be ES as well?
>
> At my family (30 persons: parents, brother, sister, uncles,
> cousins…) nobody is ES…
>
> Stephen.
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Jennie Wassenaar
> <ad-in@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we
> are predisposed to EMS with exposure but with avoidance and
> up keep of other health issues (immune system, etc.) we can
> minimize the effects.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> > From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
>
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>
> > Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM
>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?
>
> >
>
> > I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can
> be overcome
>
> > to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and
> certainly with ES,
>
> > you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...
>
> >
>
> > Marc
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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>
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> From: Evie <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cal AEP and pantethine
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 12:32 PM
> Hi Steve,
>  
> I just sent an email explaining how I take--with meals at
> first, then later in protocol during/after exposure.  But
> as to pantothenic acid--it didn't work for me like the
> pantethine does.  I can't say, tho, that it wouldn't work
> for someone else.  Just telling you what *did* work for
> me.  Same with dosage--not saying less won't work; less
> doesn't work for me.
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Sun, 4/11/10, Steve G <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Steve G <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 2:47 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Diane,
> are there certain times of the day or night you take the
> calcium aep and pantethine?
> Does it have to be pantethine, how about just pantothenic
> acid?
> Steve
>
> --- On Sun, 4/11/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 9:38 AM
> > Hi Cheryl,
> >  
> > Yes, fatigue--exhaustion , really--has been a
> life-long
> > problem for me, also.  It wasn't till my
> nutritionist
> > suggested CalAEP and pantethine 5 years ago that I was
> able
> > to overcome it (mostly overcome it--I still have
> short
> > periods of great fatigue).  I was home/bed-bound for
> 13
> > years straight due to exhaustion, and for many years
> before
> > that off and on.  I had signs of a type of ES from
> early
> > childhood (among other serious medical problems)--I
> shocked
> > and fried things, couldn't wear watches, felt like I
> was a
> > "capacitor". ....  It wasn't till a toxic pesticide
> event 4
> > years ago that I came down with all of the symptoms
> most
> > people have here.  Before that, tho, I also had
> autonomic
> > nervous system symptoms that I now know were caused by
> emf
> > exposure (esp to magnetic frequencies) for many, many
> > years.  The ANS disorder symptom of plummeting blood
> > pressure is the biggest offender for me, as far as
> causing
> > fatigue goes.  When I am subject to high emf
> > exposure, it causes my bp to quickly fall, which then
> > causes great fatigue until the bp is adequately
> > addressed.  This is when the cal AEP and pantethine
> are
> > most quickly helpful.  But I see help taking the cal
> AEP
> > and pantethine other times as well, for fatigue
> > (because calAEP and pantethine also feed the
> adrenals).
> >  
> > I was very low energy all of my life till I started
> taking
> > this duo, Cheryl.  I now can hike, bike, garden,
> shop
> > (without the drop  lol).....
> >  
> > Diane
> >
> > --- On Sat, 4/10/10, Cheryl Griffing
> <cheryl_griffing@ yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@
> yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 3:28 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > That's very interesting. For me, also, fatigue has
> been the
> > most difficult part of EMS. I believe that it has
> resulted
> > in adrenal fatigue as I was told by an expert that
> EMF
> > exposure causes that, and I have the exact symptoms of
> it.
> >
> > Cheryl 
> >
> > --- On Fri, 4/9/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 1:23 PM
> >
> >  
> >
> > Loni,
> >
> >  
> >
> > Have you ever checked to see if you have any
> autonomic
> > nervous system disorder signs?  For instance, can
> you
> > notice a difference in your blood pressure (by taking
> it
> > with a meter) on days you feel well than on days you
> feel
> > poorly/fatigued?  I could, and I finally found a way
> to
> > address it using supplements. 
> >
> >  
> >
> > Diane
> >
> >  
> >
> > --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
> >
> > From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> >
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> >
> > Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 5:35 PM
> >
> >  
> >
> > The thing about symptoms of ES is that fatigue is a
> huge
> > issue for me. I didn't know that was from ES until 2
> years
> > ago. Loni
> >
> > --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Jennie Wassenaar
> <ad-in@ameritech.
> > net> wrote:
> >
> > From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
> >
> > Subject: [eSens] EMS Genetic?
> >
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> >
> > Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 2:02 PM
> >
> >  
> >
> > I think time will tell if genetics are a factor
> unless
> > science proves or disproves it first. While MCS and
> EMS are
> > different conditions there seems to be a high
> correlation
> > between people who have both. I started with
> allergies, MCS
> > and EMS in my early/mid 40s. My children have all
> developed
> > allergies in their late teens/early 20s and are
> starting to
> > show signs of MCS. My grandchildren have developed
> allergies
> > in their preschool years. My husband is the only
> person in
> > our family who does not have any trouble with
> allergies.
> > Maybe it's just the allergies that are genetic but as
> I said
> > my children (all in their 20s) are starting to show
> signs of
> > MCS. I have tried to educate them on keeping away
> from
> > chemicals as much as possible. I tell them their
> bodies are
> > like sponges soaking up the chemicals around them.
> Once the
> > "sponge" is full and can not tolerate any more
> chemicals it
> > will start to react. So the longer they can keep
> chemicals
> > out the
> >
> > their systems the longer they can stay healthy. So far
> none
> > of them have shown signs of EMS. :)
> >
> > Jennie
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> >
> > From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve r
> [hidden email]>
> >
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> >
> > Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 9:22:13 PM
> >
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
> >
> > If ES is mainly genetic, many members of our families
> would
> > be ES as well?
> >
> > At my family (30 persons: parents, brother, sister,
> uncles,
> > cousins…) nobody is ES…
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Jennie Wassenaar
> > <ad-in@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > My understanding is that it may be genetic in
> that we
> > are predisposed to EMS with exposure but with
> avoidance and
> > up keep of other health issues (immune system, etc.)
> we can
> > minimize the effects.
> >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> >
> > > From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> >
> > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> >
> > > Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over
> wi-fi
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic
> ?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics
> can
> > be overcome
> >
> > > to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and
> > certainly with ES,
> >
> > > you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Marc
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