Suing neighbor over wi-fi

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> > I have not heard of DHLA before. What can you tell me
> > about it?
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> Thanks for that info -- I have not tried the R-ALA, as the
> frequent dosing people seem to be leery of it (but they
> are a skeptical bunch). I do get side effects from
> the ALA -- sometimes fatigue, sometimes anxiety, and
> usually ringing ears after the end of the round.
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> DHLA is a reduced form or R-ALA. That means it has an
> extra electron. R-ALA is an oxidized (missing electron)
> form of DHLA. I know one product (DHLA Nano-Plex)
> claims to not only be "natural", but comes from natural
> (food) sources. Most R-ALA does not come from natural
> sources, but is usually syntheticly made just like regular
> ALA and then they remove the unnatural S-ALA part.
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> Marc
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> My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to EMS with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues (immune system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.
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> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
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> > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?
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> I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome
> to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,
> you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...
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> Marc
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> My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to EMS with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues (immune system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.
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> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
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> > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?
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> I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome
> to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,
> you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...
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> Marc
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> That doesn't mean that they are not predisposed. You may have been overexposed to chemicals or EMF with out even knowing & made you ES. But there probably is a genetic issue concerning most people that are inflicted. The ability to remove toxins what ever it may be. IMO. Loni
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> --- On Wed, 4/7/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
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> From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 6:22 PM
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> If ES is mainly genetic, many members of our families would be ES as well?
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> At my family (30 persons: parents, brother, sister, uncles, cousins…) nobody is ES…
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> Stephen.
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> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@> wrote:
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> > My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to EMS with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues (immune system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.
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> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
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> > > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?
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> > I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome
> > to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,
> > you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...
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> Loni, in my family there may not be any ES-ers but I know the group is too small to make any conclusions! I `m also inclined to think genetics play a (minor) role…
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> --- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@> wrote:
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> > That doesn't mean that they are not predisposed. You may have been overexposed to chemicals or EMF with out even knowing & made you ES. But there probably is a genetic issue concerning most people that are inflicted. The ability to remove toxins what ever it may be. IMO. Loni
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> > --- On Wed, 4/7/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
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> > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 6:22 PM
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> > If ES is mainly genetic, many members of our families would be ES as well?
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> > At my family (30 persons: parents, brother, sister, uncles, cousins…) nobody is ES…
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> > Stephen.
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> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@> wrote:
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> > > My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposedto EMS with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues(immune system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.
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> > > From: Marc Martin <marc@>
> > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
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> > > > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?
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> > > I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome
> > > to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,
> > > you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...
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> When ABC came to my home to film the sequence they arrived sceptical
> about all elements of the story and left convinced that I had a real
> health problem and that EMR was the trigger. I had picked one of the
> biggest phone masts in London to demonstrate how bad the e-smog was at
> any time and how effective the shielding was against bombardment by EMR.
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> The electrosmog detector provided the 'scientific proof'.
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> We can all generate coverage via significant media networks. Once the
> ABC feature was transmitted in the USA several years ago I was
> approached by other TV producers and magazine editors. ABC have now
> used this footage again - this is important and indicates that they
> believe the story. We need to write to them and explain how EMR
> affects our own lives.
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> EMR and health is a massive story and to generate coverage we need
> others prepared to invite journalists and producers into their lives.
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> Contact your local newsdesk and invite them to your own location and
> show them how bad the readings are at your home or office and describe
> your health challenges. Most of them are aware of this rumbling time
> bomb and they need opportunities to film other worthy stories.
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> I am prepared to guide and advise you if you wish to approach your
> local TV station.
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> best wishes
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> Sarah Dacre
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> From: Robert Williams <robert_connolly@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:29
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi on ABC.com
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> It was the video that accompanied the Arthurs story on ABC
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> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/allergic-electronics-man-sues-neighbor-gadget/story?id=10240343
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> Play the video that goes with the story.
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> As you can see - ABC is not laughing at this story. They are informing
> the public - producing videos like this is expensive.
> Writing a story takes a few hours. Making a video takes about a weeks
> worth of work.
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> NOW - EVERYONE ON THIS SITE SHOULD GO A POST A REPLY TO THAT STORY!!!!!!
> When the editors see that there is so much response to it they will run
> more stories about it.
> IT"S REALLY TIME TO TELL THE WORLD YOUR STORY....
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> The cell phone activists did it - they brought it to everyones
> attention. Now it's our turn.
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> On 2010-04-06, at 11:41 AM, Loni wrote:
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> > How can we see this ABC video?
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> > --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Robert Williams <robert_connolly@...>
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> > From: Robert Williams <robert_connolly@...>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi on ABC.com
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 7:44 AM
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> > WiMAX falls into a different category then cell towers - there are
> all sorts of cities and libraries and schools that have stopped city
> wide wimax and local wimax.
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> > Think of someone with a peanut allergy - if you get onto a plane and
> someone says they have a peanut allergy - they tell everyone on the
> plane to refrain from eating anything that has peanuts - Same with
> schools.
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> > Did everyone look at the ABC video of the woman that was EHS? The
> program went to great lengths to inform the audience that the WIFI was
> really bad. They stepped accross a big line.
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> > First it was cell phones - a senate hearing and then warnings - even
> the FCC changed their RF page about cell phones to warn people. Now
> they are moving onto WIFI - and cell towers. They are using people
> that are allergic to electricity as a means of showing the harm without
> scientific studies because no one will allow them to be funded.
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> > Unless we speak up and complain - the press will have no one to come
> to for a story. The autistic moms screamed about thimerisol in vaccines
> and that made a very big impact with the H1N1 flu shots. No one trust
> the WHO because of it.
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> > The doctor in the Video said that he is seeing 10 times the amount of
> patients that are like this than 10 years ago. It's only going to get
> more common and people will complain to the point that things will
> change. They took the lead out of gas. The are taking down the coal
> plants - they are replacing the lead pipes. Things do change but only
> if you request the change and only if the doctors and the press and the
> government is informed.
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> > Wifi is no different than mercury fillings or for vacinations. The
> FDA denies the harmful effects but how many dentists use it now? How
> many doctors said - Ah - I think we need vaccines without mercury. You
> can run to the country to get well but you need to also warn the
> country folks that it's comming to their town unless they stand up and
> fight it.
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> > On 2010-04-06, at 9:32 AM, cocopollyphenol wrote:
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> > > I think if I were him and I owned the house, I'd adapt the house to
> block wifi etc. As long as he was choosing to live in town, and not on
> acreage somewhere, he was going to be in trouble sooner or later.
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> > > I spent a week out at a farmhouse out in the country, with a few
> low signals from neighbors who weren't all that close, and more
> importantly, not a blanket of wimax and only a few cellphone towers. I
> could sit in the parking lot across from a cellphone tower and feel
> okay, it was an older one, without a zillion dishes on it.
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> > > I felt relaxed. However, the farmhouse had a mold problem that made
> me sick as a dog.
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> > > We came back into the Atlanta area and I began to feel ems
> symptoms. I am sensitized more now since being in that house. I don't
> know what was wrong with that house but I wonder if that wifi router
> gave off extra strong signals, was somehow faulty. I also know it was a
> strong router. That whole neighborhood was blanketed with wifi in every
> single house, sometimes two to a house. In addition maybe that house
> had faulty wiring or extra EMF. The odd thing is once sensitized I
> haven't seemed to recover even tho it was only 3 weeks.
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> > > Atlanta has been wimaxed and there are towers everywhere. As you
> drive toward the city you see so many. Symptoms of spine pressure,
> agitation (subtle), a weird alertness, and occasionally irregular
> heartbeats now when I'm around strong wifi in a store...etc. It's very
> unpleasant. I don't know what to do.
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> > > I don't see any solution for anybody really, because wimax is going
> everywhere. Give it another five years. Everybody will have even
> stronger wifi routers.
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> > > This just makes a good, "kooky" story but will not change policy.
> If in 1996 they passed a law that no local govt could question ie
> litigate placement of towers based on health, its a long upward battle.
> They put their protection into place quite a while ago. Tell me how
> we're going to change this. And most people are not sensitive or even
> if they had mild symptoms wouldn't care. In addition, good studies
> might require years--epidemiological studies that look at rates of
> illness/cancer around towers, and exactly how far. And it's complicated
> now by wifi routers. I can't even imagine how you could design a good
> human study. You'd just have to do animal studies.
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> > > It took quite a long while for scientists to get bisphenol A on the
> "bad" list. They did study after study with alarming results but the
> industry just did their own sponsored studies. It was so profitable. It
> took so much effort to target just ONE chemical.
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> > > This is a way of life. If I were to move to that farmhouse if it
> WASN'T moldy--who's to say in ten years it won't be wimaxed too? That
> at some point the farmer next door will sell his land and a developer
> will come in and a bunch of homes will go up with N-routers?
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> > > I don't see a solution. In my case, I think I'm sensitized because
> I have lyme disease which broke down my system, leading to MCS and now
> ES. But I think the whole population is affected. For instance, they
> now are finding that phthalate exposure affects boys' intelligence
> (endocrine disrupter--estrogen mimic). There was also a great study a
> while back that found that the level of phthalates in baby boy's urine
> correlated with the distance from the anus to the scrotum--less
> distance ie more feminized with higher levels of the endocrine
> disrupters. No mother could notice that with her naked eye. But it was
> a clear indication that effects were occurring. The same is probably
> true of wimax, wifi (which I think are much worse than cellphones but
> that's my subjective sense).
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> That doesn't mean that they are not predisposed. You may have been overexposed to chemicals or EMF with out even knowing & made you ES. But there probably is a genetic issue concerning most people that are inflicted. The ability to remove toxins what ever it may be. IMO. Loni
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> --- On Wed, 4/7/10, stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@...> wrote:
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> From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 6:22 PM
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> If ES is mainly genetic, many members of our families would be ES as well?
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> At my family (30 persons: parents, brother, sister, uncles, cousins…) nobody is ES…
>
> Stephen.
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> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@> wrote:
> >
> > My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to EMS with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues (immune system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.
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> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: Marc Martin <marc@>
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
> >
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> > > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?
> >
> > I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome
> > to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,
> > you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...
> >
> > Marc
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> My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to EMS with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues (immune system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.
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> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
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> > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?
>
> I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome
> to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,
> you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...
>
> Marc
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>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to EMS with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues (immune system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.
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> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
>
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> > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?
>
> I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome
> to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,
> you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...
>
> Marc
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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> My understanding is that it may be genetic in that we are predisposed to EMS with exposure but with avoidance and up keep of other health issues (immune system, etc.) we can minimize the effects.
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> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 10:35:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi
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> > Puk replies - What if the problem is genetic ?
>
> I've heard from at least one doctor that genetics can be overcome
> to an extent via diet and supplements. .. and certainly with ES,
> you can shielding, avoidance, EMF devices...
>
> Marc
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> Subject: [eSens] Re: ALA
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 3:58 PM
> I was reading the amalgam illness
> book last night.  I went to the index and looked up
> bits of information about the DMSA.  My DMSA shipped
> today and I think I will just take it every three hours when
> I take my ALA.  If I can tolerate it I'll just take it
> till the bottle is empty.  I'll let you know what I
> think of it.
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