Thank you Matthew,
I posted a comment on a local Santa Fe paper's website. I also sent an e-mail to Bob Park a University of Maryland physics professor who discounted EMS and said it was probably psychological in origin. jw Jennie ________________________________ From: matthew.osmond <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 7:18:05 PM Subject: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi http://www.chicagot ribune.com/ health/la- na-hometown- santa-fe28- 2010mar28, 0,7549400. story [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Good. I can't tell you how influential Bob Park is among
physicists. Many physicists have read each of his columns for decades. His history is interesting. He started in radar school at the airforce and installed the radar system at Roswell AFB. Later he suddenly becomes the first ever communications arm of the American Physical Society and starts his popular column. If I had time I'd read all his early columns to see where he's coming from. He bashes wasteful pentagon spending, but does he comment on the Air Force? Has he also denigrated acupuncture? Herbal supplements? Vitamin supplements? Bill On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>wrote: > > > Thank you Matthew, > > I posted a comment on a local Santa Fe paper's website. I also sent an > e-mail to Bob Park a University of Maryland physics professor who discounted > EMS and said it was probably psychological in origin. > > jw > > Jennie > > ________________________________ > From: matthew.osmond <[hidden email]<matthew.osmond%40yahoo.com> > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 7:18:05 PM > Subject: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi > > http://www.chicagot ribune.com/ health/la- na-hometown- santa-fe28- > 2010mar28, 0,7549400. story > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Isn't there enough hard science yet to discount the "all in your head"
stuff? If this goes to court, I hope they bring up all that hard science. My recent exposures to Wi-fi or WLAN 5.8Ghz here in my neighborhood has made me believe it is worse than cel-phones and maybe even towers, for the signal strength is much higher and is annoying this family crazy. You may recall I wrote last autumn I was trying to figure out what was new bothering me in the neighborhood. Whenever I ride past 2 houses, I get an increase of symptoms relative to the time of exposure. Last week, I approached the 2nd neighbor, and offered to find the problem with a couple meters. She didn't know what was causing the noise on the Acoustimeter, as the tech gear is her husband's. She has talked about symptoms very familiar to us, including her daughter. I got really close to the equipment, Measured -5dBm and > 6.0V/m (top of scale) from the Netgear wireless router (802.11n) 5.820 Ghz That is louder than a celphone -25dBm in rural area, or a cel-phone in town -55dBm, as measured by the new Cornet meter. That 5 minute exposure gave me a migraine headache that lasted for several days, Symptoms of a Concussion because every step, and every bump was spiking pain to my bruised head. I am not intending to sue, but I certainly feel the same way. My safe rural neighborhood has turned hostile. The effective radius of these newest devices are longer, and seem more powerful. Bad news for us. Stewart matthew.osmond wrote: > http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/la-na-hometown-santa-fe28-2010mar28,0,7549400.story > > |
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He sounds like a closed minded A. Loni
--- On Wed, 3/31/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 7:16 AM Good. I can't tell you how influential Bob Park is among physicists. Many physicists have read each of his columns for decades. His history is interesting. He started in radar school at the airforce and installed the radar system at Roswell AFB. Later he suddenly becomes the first ever communications arm of the American Physical Society and starts his popular column. If I had time I'd read all his early columns to see where he's coming from. He bashes wasteful pentagon spending, but does he comment on the Air Force? Has he also denigrated acupuncture? Herbal supplements? Vitamin supplements? Bill On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>wrote: > > > Thank you Matthew, > > I posted a comment on a local Santa Fe paper's website. I also sent an > e-mail to Bob Park a University of Maryland physics professor who discounted > EMS and said it was probably psychological in origin. > > jw > > Jennie > > ________________________________ > From: matthew.osmond <[hidden email]<matthew.osmond%40yahoo.com> > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 7:18:05 PM > Subject: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi > > http://www.chicagot ribune.com/ health/la- na-hometown- santa-fe28- > 2010mar28, 0,7549400. story > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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It is just horrible that that woman won't accommodate the guy who can't live in his house. I for one knows how that is. People are just too self centered.
I hope he wins the law suit. Loni --- On Wed, 3/31/10, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote: From: S Andreason <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:32 AM Isn't there enough hard science yet to discount the "all in your head" stuff? If this goes to court, I hope they bring up all that hard science. My recent exposures to Wi-fi or WLAN 5.8Ghz here in my neighborhood has made me believe it is worse than cel-phones and maybe even towers, for the signal strength is much higher and is annoying this family crazy. You may recall I wrote last autumn I was trying to figure out what was new bothering me in the neighborhood. Whenever I ride past 2 houses, I get an increase of symptoms relative to the time of exposure. Last week, I approached the 2nd neighbor, and offered to find the problem with a couple meters. She didn't know what was causing the noise on the Acoustimeter, as the tech gear is her husband's. She has talked about symptoms very familiar to us, including her daughter. I got really close to the equipment, Measured -5dBm and > 6.0V/m (top of scale) from the Netgear wireless router (802.11n) 5.820 Ghz That is louder than a celphone -25dBm in rural area, or a cel-phone in town -55dBm, as measured by the new Cornet meter. That 5 minute exposure gave me a migraine headache that lasted for several days, Symptoms of a Concussion because every step, and every bump was spiking pain to my bruised head. I am not intending to sue, but I certainly feel the same way. My safe rural neighborhood has turned hostile. The effective radius of these newest devices are longer, and seem more powerful. Bad news for us. Stewart matthew.osmond wrote: > http://www.chicagot ribune.com/ health/la- na-hometown- santa-fe28- 2010mar28, 0,7549400. story > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
I am afraid taht he will not.
He must proof in court that he is electrosensitive. And just that is hardly possible. Only physicians can do that, but those, who are willing to put that on paper, are hard to find. And even when one has such a physician's statement, the WHO-maffia fells over everybody, and yelling the Repacholi verdict. As long as the WHO keepsclaiming that electrosensitivity does not exist, we do not have a chance. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loni" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi It is just horrible that that woman won't accommodate the guy who can't live in his house. I for one knows how that is. People are just too self centered. I hope he wins the law suit. Loni --- On Wed, 3/31/10, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote: From: S Andreason <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:32 AM Isn't there enough hard science yet to discount the "all in your head" stuff? If this goes to court, I hope they bring up all that hard science. My recent exposures to Wi-fi or WLAN 5.8Ghz here in my neighborhood has made me believe it is worse than cel-phones and maybe even towers, for the signal strength is much higher and is annoying this family crazy. You may recall I wrote last autumn I was trying to figure out what was new bothering me in the neighborhood. Whenever I ride past 2 houses, I get an increase of symptoms relative to the time of exposure. Last week, I approached the 2nd neighbor, and offered to find the problem with a couple meters. She didn't know what was causing the noise on the Acoustimeter, as the tech gear is her husband's. She has talked about symptoms very familiar to us, including her daughter. I got really close to the equipment, Measured -5dBm and > 6.0V/m (top of scale) from the Netgear wireless router (802.11n) 5.820 Ghz That is louder than a celphone -25dBm in rural area, or a cel-phone in town -55dBm, as measured by the new Cornet meter. That 5 minute exposure gave me a migraine headache that lasted for several days, Symptoms of a Concussion because every step, and every bump was spiking pain to my bruised head. I am not intending to sue, but I certainly feel the same way. My safe rural neighborhood has turned hostile. The effective radius of these newest devices are longer, and seem more powerful. Bad news for us. Stewart matthew.osmond wrote: > http://www.chicagot ribune.com/ health/la- na-hometown- santa-fe28- > 2010mar28, 0,7549400. story > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Loni wrote:
> It is just horrible that that woman won't accommodate the guy who can't live in his house. I for one knows how that is. People are just too self centered. > I'll try to be more clear. The woman and the guy are my neighbors, I can't stand to be near their house, which is 300 ft. away. I don't know yet if he has denial, or just ignorance of the danger and consequences. I do know she doesn't understand much about technology. The only person the guy is not accommodating, is me. At least I verified the source of the problem. Very costly for me though. This is not the same place as that news article from Santa Fe. Stewart Republic, WA |
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> I hope he wins the law suit. Loni
Actually, I think this person should spend more effort trying to get better, rather than suing his neighbors. I mean, the wi-fi coming from my neighbors house bothers me too, but I would never think of suing them! Marc |
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The physicists always point out that EMR can't break off electrons like nuclear radiation, but that's more applicable to cancer than hypersensitivity.As far as DNA damage, I believe there is evidence for that.
John L. --- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote: > > Good. I can't tell you how influential Bob Park is among > physicists. Many physicists have read each of his columns > for decades. > > His history is interesting. He started in radar school at the > airforce and installed the radar system at Roswell AFB. > Later he suddenly becomes the first ever communications > arm of the American Physical Society and starts his popular > column. If I had time I'd read all his early columns to see > where he's coming from. He bashes wasteful pentagon > spending, but does he comment on the Air Force? Has > he also denigrated acupuncture? Herbal supplements? > Vitamin supplements? > > Bill > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@...>wrote: > > > > > > > Thank you Matthew, > > > > I posted a comment on a local Santa Fe paper's website. I also sent an > > e-mail to Bob Park a University of Maryland physics professor who discounted > > EMS and said it was probably psychological in origin. > > > > jw > > > > Jennie > > > > ________________________________ > > From: matthew.osmond <matthew.osmond@...<matthew.osmond%40yahoo.com> > > > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 7:18:05 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi > > > > http://www.chicagot ribune.com/ health/la- na-hometown- santa-fe28- > > 2010mar28, 0,7549400. story > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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To this newsgroup:
Arthur Fistenberg is the person that is suing his neighbour over WIFI. If you are wondering why he is doing this, it's because he is trying to bring EHS into the public mainstream - not to make them shut it off. Awareness usually happens via lawsuits - not good causes. We should all be thankful thathe is doing this because he knows it's not a battle that he can win alone - but if enough of us step up to the plate and speak about the problem to acourtroom in addition to each other on this message board - that will generate awareness in the media and then perhaps the symptoms that he speaks about will be recognized by the general public. "Hey - I get headaches too when I speak on a cellphone" the public might realize. Right now - I know of a person that is suing her landlord for putting cell towers on the roof of her apartment 2 months ago. She is now electrosensitive. The whole top floor of the apartment has moved out. She now has to prove that she is electrosensitive and needs to find a doctor that will diagnose her. She has a good lawyer that is taking this on for almost free. He used to bewith the minister of health for the province of Ontario and has now gone to the other side. She has city councillors sending letters to wireless providers and they have told them to remove them. Magda Havas is testifying , making awareness of the situation on her website, creating a new EHS website, and is bringing some of her associates to testify too. If you go to magdahavas.com - you can see a video that Dr. Havas made aboutthis woman and it shows the antennas that they placed right over the balcony. The towers are about 4 feet away from her. To the councellors and thelawyer and Magda Havas - this landlord and the telephone company stepped across the line putting them so close to her balcony - and her roof is justtar and gravel. The cell tower radiation came right through the roof into her bedroom - at about 2 to 5,000 uWattsm2 Can you imagine sleeping in that for 2 months? It's criminal and now even the common sense from the city councellors and lawyers are prevailing that this has gone way too far. Bell has even turned the cell towers off - but there are other co-located towers that are on. This woman is not suing for damages - she refuses to let anyone else move into the apartment because they will just become ill too. So - she just abandoned the apartment - left her furnishings there - and is living in a bacement of a friend - she does not want anyone to move into the apartment - they will just becomes ill like her. Even the city of Toronto's public healthdepartment agrees the safety levels are way too high. If anyone out there has a doctor that has prescribed their illness as EHS -this woman needs to know the name so her lawyer can move quickly to make acase. Magda Havas has decided to start a new website with a mission to prove thatEHS is real. With real proof that it exists using studies she has published amongst others. It is in production now and the final will be available in 2 weeks. It will feature doctors, lawyers and scientists and YOU hopefully - who all will attempt to prove that this illness is real to judges anddoctors. You can help by telling your story on this site as there will be a case history section. This site will be a place that lawyers and doctors can get information. Itwill have the latest research papers. Here is where the site is located now and has some initial information about EHS in PDF format . rewire.me eMagazine is now edited my magda havas and is currently getting ready for the second addition. http://www.ElectroSensitiveSociety.com It's going to be just like any other society like the American Cancer Society. She wants to have local chapters all over the world. So - if you would like to make a difference - please go to this site - signup - and Magda will be in touch with you shortly to place your "case history" on the site or any other infomation that you can share about solutions to the illness. Arthur is the first person to submit "Case History" information to the site. Magda - needs your story too. Here is some information about Arthur Firstenberg - the person that is suing their neighbour over WIFI. Arthur Firstenberg is the founder and president of the Cellular Phone Task Force and the author of Microwaving Our Planet: The Environmental Impact ofthe Wireless Revolution (Cellular Phone Task Force 1996). From 1997 to 2002, he was the editor of the journal No Place To Hide. Since 1996, the Task Force has provided a global clearinghouse for information about wireless technologys injurious effects, and a national supportnetwork for people disabled by this technology. In 1997 the Task Force wasthe lead litigant in a challenge brought by over 50 citizens groups against the FCCs limits for human exposure to radio frequency radiation. Articles by Firstenberg or about his work have appeared in Mother Jones, The Ecologist, Earth Island Journal, Vegetarian Times, Village Voice, Utne Reader, Santa Fe New Mexican, San Francisco Chronicle, and other newspapers and magazines. His work has been translated into Spanish, French, Portuguese, Dutch, Italian, Danish, Japanese, and Chinese. After graduating Phi Beta Kappa from Cornell University with a B.A. in mathematics, he attended the University of California, Irvine School of Medicine from 1978 to 1982. Injury by x-ray overdose cut short his medical career. For the past 29 years he has been a researcher, consultant and lecturer on the health and environmental effects of electromagnetic radiation. On 2010-03-31, at 2:34 PM, Marc Martin wrote: > > I hope he wins the law suit. Loni > > Actually, I think this person should spend more effort trying to get > better, rather than suing his neighbors. I mean, the wi-fi coming > from my neighbors house bothers me too, but I would never think > of suing them! > > Marc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
I know Arthur and I don't think I or anyone should claim to speak on his
behalf about his situation or his lawsuit. I know that he tried to resolve it without going to court and I believe he offered to hire a mediator. I certainly would recommend to start off by trying to be nice to the neighbor, but I had neighbors that I could never convince of the problems, despite having a Ph.D. in physics. Bill On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Bob Connolly <[hidden email]>wrote: > To this newsgroup: > > Arthur Fistenberg is the person that is suing his neighbour over WIFI. If > you are wondering why he is doing this, it's because he is trying to bring > EHS into the public mainstream - not to make them shut it off. Awareness > usually happens via lawsuits - not good causes. We should all be thankful > that he is doing this because he knows it's not a battle that he can win > alone - but if enough of us step up to the plate and speak about the problem > to a courtroom in addition to each other on this message board - that will > generate awareness in the media and then perhaps the symptoms that he speaks > about will be recognized by the general public. "Hey - I get headaches too > when I speak on a cellphone" the public might realize. > > Right now - I know of a person that is suing her landlord for putting cell > towers on the roof of her apartment 2 months ago. She is now > electrosensitive. The whole top floor of the apartment has moved out. She > now has to prove that she is electrosensitive and needs to find a doctor > that will diagnose her. > > She has a good lawyer that is taking this on for almost free. He used to be > with the minister of health for the province of Ontario and has now gone to > the other side. She has city councillors sending letters to wireless > providers and they have told them to remove them. Magda Havas is testifying > , making awareness of the situation on her website, creating a new EHS > website, and is bringing some of her associates to testify too. > > If you go to magdahavas.com - you can see a video that Dr. Havas made > about this woman and it shows the antennas that they placed right over the > balcony. The towers are about 4 feet away from her. To the councellors and > the lawyer and Magda Havas - this landlord and the telephone company stepped > across the line putting them so close to her balcony - and her roof is just > tar and gravel. > The cell tower radiation came right through the roof into her bedroom - at > about 2 to 5,000 uWattsm2 > Can you imagine sleeping in that for 2 months? > > It's criminal and now even the common sense from the city councellors and > lawyers are prevailing that this has gone way too far. Bell has even turned > the cell towers off - but there are other co-located towers that are on. > > This woman is not suing for damages - she refuses to let anyone else move > into the apartment because they will just become ill too. So - she just > abandoned the apartment - left her furnishings there - and is living in a > bacement of a friend - she does not want anyone to move into the apartment > - they will just becomes ill like her. Even the city of Toronto's public > health department agrees the safety levels are way too high. > > If anyone out there has a doctor that has prescribed their illness as EHS- > this woman needs to know the name so her lawyer can move quickly to make a > case. > > Magda Havas has decided to start a new website with a mission to prove that > EHS is real. With real proof that it exists using studies she has published > amongst others. It is in production now and the final will be available in 2 > weeks. It will feature doctors, lawyers and scientists and YOU hopefully- > who all will attempt to prove that this illness is real to judges and > doctors. > > You can help by telling your story on this site as there will be a case > history section. > This site will be a place that lawyers and doctors can get information. It > will have the latest research papers. > > Here is where the site is located now and has some initial information > about EHS in PDF format . rewire.me eMagazine is now edited my magda havas > and is currently getting ready for the second addition. > > http://www.ElectroSensitiveSociety.com > > It's going to be just like any other society like the American Cancer > Society. She wants to have local chapters all over the world. > > So - if you would like to make a difference - please go to this site - sign > up - and Magda will be in touch with you shortly to place your "case > history" on the site or any other infomation that you can share about > solutions to the illness. > > Arthur is the first person to submit "Case History" information to the > site. Magda - needs your story too. > > Here is some information about Arthur Firstenberg - the person that is > suing their neighbour over WIFI. > > > Arthur Firstenberg is the founder and president of the Cellular Phone Task > Force and the author of Microwaving Our Planet: The Environmental Impact of > the Wireless Revolution (Cellular Phone Task Force 1996). From 1997 to 2002, > he was the editor of the journal No Place To Hide. > Since 1996, the Task Force has provided a global clearinghouse for > information about wireless technologys injurious effects, and a national > support network for people disabled by this technology. In 1997 the Task > Force was the lead litigant in a challenge brought by over 50 citizens > groups against the FCCs limits for human exposure to radio frequency > radiation. > Articles by Firstenberg or about his work have appeared in Mother Jones, > The Ecologist, Earth Island Journal, Vegetarian Times, Village Voice, Utne > Reader, Santa Fe New Mexican, San Francisco Chronicle, and other newspapers > and magazines. His work has been translated into Spanish, French, > Portuguese, Dutch, Italian, Danish, Japanese, and Chinese. > After graduating Phi Beta Kappa from Cornell University with a B.A. in > mathematics, he attended the University of California, Irvine School of > Medicine from 1978 to 1982. Injury by > x-ray overdose cut short his medical career. For the past 29 years he has > been a researcher, consultant and lecturer on the health and environmental > effects of electromagnetic radiation. > > > > On 2010-03-31, at 2:34 PM, Marc Martin wrote: > > > > I hope he wins the law suit. Loni > > > > Actually, I think this person should spend more effort trying to get > > better, rather than suing his neighbors. I mean, the wi-fi coming > > from my neighbors house bothers me too, but I would never think > > of suing them! > > > > Marc > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Yes but he can't live in his own house because of it. And it doesn't sound like she give a rats a.
I guess I wouldn't sue a neighbor either but know how frustrating it is to not be able to sleep in my house. Is that right for her not to make the changes needed in order for him to beable to live!? Loni --- On Wed, 3/31/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Suing neighbor over wi-fi To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 11:34 AM > I hope he wins the law suit. Loni Actually, I think this person should spend more effort trying to get better, rather than suing his neighbors. I mean, the wi-fi coming from my neighbors house bothers me too, but I would never think of suing them! Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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This is how Arthur wants his resume to read on the Electrosensitive SocietyWebsite. >> Arthur Firstenberg is the founder and president of the Cellular Phone Task > Force. In 1997 the Task Force was the lead litigant in a challenge brought by over 50 citizens groups against the FCC‚s limits for human exposure to radio frequency > radiation. He knows that lawsuits bring attention to a cause. I believe that he wants to have her stop the WIFI radiation - but he does want to make this illness public. Now is the time folks. The media is listening. Time to make your voice heard. When Popular Science magazine sends out the signal........ On 2010-03-31, at 5:32 PM, Bill Bruno wrote: > I know Arthur and I don't think I or anyone should claim to speak on his > behalf about his situation or his lawsuit. > > I know that he tried to resolve it without going to court and I believe he > offered to hire a mediator. > > I certainly would recommend to start off by trying to be nice to the > neighbor, but I had neighbors that I could never convince of the problems, > despite having a Ph.D. in physics. > > Bill > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Bob Connolly <[hidden email]>wrote: > >> To this newsgroup: >> >> Arthur Fistenberg is the person that is suing his neighbour over WIFI. If >> you are wondering why he is doing this, it's because he is trying to bring >> EHS into the public mainstream - not to make them shut it off. Awareness >> usually happens via lawsuits - not good causes. We should all be thankful >> that he is doing this because he knows it's not a battle that he can win >> alone - but if enough of us step up to the plate and speak about the problem >> to a courtroom in addition to each other on this message board - that will >> generate awareness in the media and then perhaps the symptoms that he speaks >> about will be recognized by the general public. "Hey - I get headaches too >> when I speak on a cellphone" the public might realize. >> >> Right now - I know of a person that is suing her landlord for putting cell >> towers on the roof of her apartment 2 months ago. She is now >> electrosensitive. The whole top floor of the apartment has moved out. She >> now has to prove that she is electrosensitive and needs to find a doctor >> that will diagnose her. >> >> She has a good lawyer that is taking this on for almost free. He used tobe >> with the minister of health for the province of Ontario and has now goneto >> the other side. She has city councillors sending letters to wireless >> providers and they have told them to remove them. Magda Havas is testifying >> , making awareness of the situation on her website, creating a new EHS >> website, and is bringing some of her associates to testify too. >> >> If you go to magdahavas.com - you can see a video that Dr. Havas made >> about this woman and it shows the antennas that they placed right over the >> balcony. The towers are about 4 feet away from her. To the councellorsand >> the lawyer and Magda Havas - this landlord and the telephone company stepped >> across the line putting them so close to her balcony - and her roof is just >> tar and gravel. >> The cell tower radiation came right through the roof into her bedroom - at >> about 2 to 5,000 uWattsm2 >> Can you imagine sleeping in that for 2 months? >> >> It's criminal and now even the common sense from the city councellors and >> lawyers are prevailing that this has gone way too far. Bell has even turned >> the cell towers off - but there are other co-located towers that are on. >> >> This woman is not suing for damages - she refuses to let anyone else move >> into the apartment because they will just become ill too. So - she just >> abandoned the apartment - left her furnishings there - and is living in a >> bacement of a friend - she does not want anyone to move into the apartment >> - they will just becomes ill like her. Even the city of Toronto's public >> health department agrees the safety levels are way too high. >> >> If anyone out there has a doctor that has prescribed their illness as EHS - >> this woman needs to know the name so her lawyer can move quickly to makea >> case. >> >> Magda Havas has decided to start a new website with a mission to prove that >> EHS is real. With real proof that it exists using studies she has published >> amongst others. It is in production now and the final will be available in 2 >> weeks. It will feature doctors, lawyers and scientists and YOU hopefully - >> who all will attempt to prove that this illness is real to judges and >> doctors. >> >> You can help by telling your story on this site as there will be a case >> history section. >> This site will be a place that lawyers and doctors can get information. It >> will have the latest research papers. >> >> Here is where the site is located now and has some initial information >> about EHS in PDF format . rewire.me eMagazine is now edited my magda havas >> and is currently getting ready for the second addition. >> >> http://www.ElectroSensitiveSociety.com >> >> It's going to be just like any other society like the American Cancer >> Society. She wants to have local chapters all over the world. >> >> So - if you would like to make a difference - please go to this site - sign >> up - and Magda will be in touch with you shortly to place your "case >> history" on the site or any other infomation that you can share about >> solutions to the illness. >> >> Arthur is the first person to submit "Case History" information to the >> site. Magda - needs your story too. >> >> Here is some information about Arthur Firstenberg - the person that is >> suing their neighbour over WIFI. >> >> >> Arthur Firstenberg is the founder and president of the Cellular Phone Task >> Force and the author of Microwaving Our Planet: The Environmental Impactof >> the Wireless Revolution (Cellular Phone Task Force 1996). From 1997 to 2002, >> he was the editor of the journal No Place To Hide. >> Since 1996, the Task Force has provided a global clearinghouse for >> information about wireless technology‚s injurious effects, and a national >> support network for people disabled by this technology. In 1997 the Task >> Force was the lead litigant in a challenge brought by over 50 citizens >> groups against the FCC‚s limits for human exposure to radio frequency >> radiation. >> Articles by Firstenberg or about his work have appeared in Mother Jones, >> The Ecologist, Earth Island Journal, Vegetarian Times, Village Voice, Utne >> Reader, Santa Fe New Mexican, San Francisco Chronicle, and other newspapers >> and magazines. His work has been translated into Spanish, French, >> Portuguese, Dutch, Italian, Danish, Japanese, and Chinese. >> After graduating Phi Beta Kappa from Cornell University with a B.A. in >> mathematics, he attended the University of California, Irvine School of >> Medicine from 1978 to 1982. Injury by >> x-ray overdose cut short his medical career. For the past 29 years he has >> been a researcher, consultant and lecturer on the health and environmental >> effects of electromagnetic radiation. >> >> >> >> On 2010-03-31, at 2:34 PM, Marc Martin wrote: >> >>>> I hope he wins the law suit. Loni >>> >>> Actually, I think this person should spend more effort trying to get >>> better, rather than suing his neighbors. I mean, the wi-fi coming >>> from my neighbors house bothers me too, but I would never think >>> of suing them! >>> >>> Marc >>> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! 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He was quoted in the recent story as saying:
"I'm not after publicity," he said. "I just want to live. I want my home." On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Bob Connolly <[hidden email]>wrote: > > This is how Arthur wants his resume to read on the Electrosensitive Society > Website. > > >> Arthur Firstenberg is the founder and president of the Cellular Phone > Task > > Force. In 1997 the Task Force was the lead litigant in a challenge > brought by over 50 citizens groups against the FCCs limits for human > exposure to radio frequency > > radiation. > > He knows that lawsuits bring attention to a cause. I believe that he wants > to have her stop the WIFI radiation - but he does want to make this illness > public. Now is the time folks. The media is listening. Time to make your > voice heard. > > When Popular Science magazine sends out the signal........ > > On 2010-03-31, at 5:32 PM, Bill Bruno wrote: > > > I know Arthur and I don't think I or anyone should claim to speak on his > > behalf about his situation or his lawsuit. > > > > I know that he tried to resolve it without going to court and I believe > he > > offered to hire a mediator. > > > > I certainly would recommend to start off by trying to be nice to the > > neighbor, but I had neighbors that I could never convince of the > problems, > > despite having a Ph.D. in physics. > > > > Bill > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Bob Connolly < > [hidden email]>wrote: > > > >> To this newsgroup: > >> > >> Arthur Fistenberg is the person that is suing his neighbour over WIFI. > If > >> you are wondering why he is doing this, it's because he is trying to > bring > >> EHS into the public mainstream - not to make them shut it off. Awareness > >> usually happens via lawsuits - not good causes. We should all be > thankful > >> that he is doing this because he knows it's not a battle that he can win > >> alone - but if enough of us step up to the plate and speak about the > problem > >> to a courtroom in addition to each other on this message board - that > will > >> generate awareness in the media and then perhaps the symptoms that he > speaks > >> about will be recognized by the general public. "Hey - I get headaches > too > >> when I speak on a cellphone" the public might realize. > >> > >> Right now - I know of a person that is suing her landlord for putting > cell > >> towers on the roof of her apartment 2 months ago. She is now > >> electrosensitive. The whole top floor of the apartment has moved out. > She > >> now has to prove that she is electrosensitive and needs to find a doctor > >> that will diagnose her. > >> > >> She has a good lawyer that is taking this on for almost free. He used to > be > >> with the minister of health for the province of Ontario and has now gone > to > >> the other side. She has city councillors sending letters to wireless > >> providers and they have told them to remove them. Magda Havas is > testifying > >> , making awareness of the situation on her website, creating a new EHS > >> website, and is bringing some of her associates to testify too. > >> > >> If you go to magdahavas.com - you can see a video that Dr. Havas made > >> about this woman and it shows the antennas that they placed right over > the > >> balcony. The towers are about 4 feet away from her. To the councellors > and > >> the lawyer and Magda Havas - this landlord and the telephone company > stepped > >> across the line putting them so close to her balcony - and her roof is > just > >> tar and gravel. > >> The cell tower radiation came right through the roof into her bedroom - > at > >> about 2 to 5,000 uWattsm2 > >> Can you imagine sleeping in that for 2 months? > >> > >> It's criminal and now even the common sense from the city councellors > and > >> lawyers are prevailing that this has gone way too far. Bell has even > turned > >> the cell towers off - but there are other co-located towers that are > on. > >> > >> This woman is not suing for damages - she refuses to let anyone else > move > >> into the apartment because they will just become ill too. So - she just > >> abandoned the apartment - left her furnishings there - and is living in > a > >> bacement of a friend - she does not want anyone to move into the > apartment > >> - they will just becomes ill like her. Even the city of Toronto's public > >> health department agrees the safety levels are way too high. > >> > >> If anyone out there has a doctor that has prescribed their illness as > EHS - > >> this woman needs to know the name so her lawyer can move quickly to make > a > >> case. > >> > >> Magda Havas has decided to start a new website with a mission to prove > that > >> EHS is real. With real proof that it exists using studies she has > published > >> amongst others. It is in production now and the final will be available > in 2 > >> weeks. It will feature doctors, lawyers and scientists and YOU > hopefully - > >> who all will attempt to prove that this illness is real to judges and > >> doctors. > >> > >> You can help by telling your story on this site as there will be a case > >> history section. > >> This site will be a place that lawyers and doctors can get information. > It > >> will have the latest research papers. > >> > >> Here is where the site is located now and has some initial information > >> about EHS in PDF format . rewire.me eMagazine is now edited my magda > havas > >> and is currently getting ready for the second addition. > >> > >> http://www.ElectroSensitiveSociety.com > >> > >> It's going to be just like any other society like the American Cancer > >> Society. She wants to have local chapters all over the world. > >> > >> So - if you would like to make a difference - please go to this site - > sign > >> up - and Magda will be in touch with you shortly to place your "case > >> history" on the site or any other infomation that you can share about > >> solutions to the illness. > >> > >> Arthur is the first person to submit "Case History" information to the > >> site. Magda - needs your story too. > >> > >> Here is some information about Arthur Firstenberg - the person that is > >> suing their neighbour over WIFI. > >> > >> > >> Arthur Firstenberg is the founder and president of the Cellular Phone > Task > >> Force and the author of Microwaving Our Planet: The Environmental Impact > of > >> the Wireless Revolution (Cellular Phone Task Force 1996). From 1997 to > 2002, > >> he was the editor of the journal No Place To Hide. > >> Since 1996, the Task Force has provided a global clearinghouse for > >> information about wireless technologys injurious effects, and a > national > >> support network for people disabled by this technology. In 1997 the Task > >> Force was the lead litigant in a challenge brought by over 50 citizens > >> groups against the FCCs limits for human exposure to radio frequency > >> radiation. > >> Articles by Firstenberg or about his work have appeared in Mother Jones, > >> The Ecologist, Earth Island Journal, Vegetarian Times, Village Voice, > Utne > >> Reader, Santa Fe New Mexican, San Francisco Chronicle, and other > newspapers > >> and magazines. His work has been translated into Spanish, French, > >> Portuguese, Dutch, Italian, Danish, Japanese, and Chinese. > >> After graduating Phi Beta Kappa from Cornell University with a B.A. in > >> mathematics, he attended the University of California, Irvine School of > >> Medicine from 1978 to 1982. Injury by > >> x-ray overdose cut short his medical career. For the past 29 years he > has > >> been a researcher, consultant and lecturer on the health and > environmental > >> effects of electromagnetic radiation. > >> > >> > >> > >> On 2010-03-31, at 2:34 PM, Marc Martin wrote: > >> > >>>> I hope he wins the law suit. Loni > >>> > >>> Actually, I think this person should spend more effort trying to get > >>> better, rather than suing his neighbors. I mean, the wi-fi coming > >>> from my neighbors house bothers me too, but I would never think > >>> of suing them! > >>> > >>> Marc > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> Is that right for her not to make the changes needed in order for him to
> be able to live!? Yes, but I'm sure she feels that she has a right to do certain things in her house as well... (someone this sensitive should probably live where there are no nearby neighbors) Marc |
He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a stand - to make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader - martin luther king. In France - they rise up and protest -
On 2010-03-31, at 6:23 PM, Marc Martin wrote: > > Is that right for her not to make the changes needed in order for him to > > be able to live!? > > Yes, but I'm sure she feels that she has a right to do certain things in > her house as well... > > (someone this sensitive should probably live where there are no nearby > neighbors) > > Marc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a stand -
> to make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader - martin > luther king. In France - they rise up and protest - Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs, having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a bit silly. Marc |
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Great soundbite! Come on Bill - follow his lead join his task force. We all know that the WIFI is going to stay until she turns it off from the publicity that's going to be forced on her.
Next is the schools......Mothers that will not allow their children in a school with WIFI. On 2010-03-31, at 6:15 PM, Bill Bruno wrote: > He was quoted in the recent story as saying: > "I'm not after publicity," he said. "I just want to live. I want my home." > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Bob Connolly <[hidden email]>wrote: > >> >> This is how Arthur wants his resume to read on the Electrosensitive Society >> Website. >> >>>> Arthur Firstenberg is the founder and president of the Cellular Phone >> Task >>> Force. In 1997 the Task Force was the lead litigant in a challenge >> brought by over 50 citizens groups against the FCC≠s limits for human >> exposure to radio frequency >>> radiation. >> >> He knows that lawsuits bring attention to a cause. I believe that he wants >> to have her stop the WIFI radiation - but he does want to make this illness >> public. Now is the time folks. The media is listening. Time to make your >> voice heard. >> >> When Popular Science magazine sends out the signal........ >> >> On 2010-03-31, at 5:32 PM, Bill Bruno wrote: >> >>> I know Arthur and I don't think I or anyone should claim to speak on his >>> behalf about his situation or his lawsuit. >>> >>> I know that he tried to resolve it without going to court and I believe >> he >>> offered to hire a mediator. >>> >>> I certainly would recommend to start off by trying to be nice to the >>> neighbor, but I had neighbors that I could never convince of the >> problems, >>> despite having a Ph.D. in physics. >>> >>> Bill >>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Bob Connolly < >> [hidden email]>wrote: >>> >>>> To this newsgroup: >>>> >>>> Arthur Fistenberg is the person that is suing his neighbour over WIFI. >> If >>>> you are wondering why he is doing this, it's because he is trying to >> bring >>>> EHS into the public mainstream - not to make them shut it off. Awareness >>>> usually happens via lawsuits - not good causes. We should all be >> thankful >>>> that he is doing this because he knows it's not a battle that he can win >>>> alone - but if enough of us step up to the plate and speak about the >> problem >>>> to a courtroom in addition to each other on this message board - that >> will >>>> generate awareness in the media and then perhaps the symptoms that he >> speaks >>>> about will be recognized by the general public. "Hey - I get headaches >> too >>>> when I speak on a cellphone" the public might realize. >>>> >>>> Right now - I know of a person that is suing her landlord for putting >> cell >>>> towers on the roof of her apartment 2 months ago. She is now >>>> electrosensitive. The whole top floor of the apartment has moved out. >> She >>>> now has to prove that she is electrosensitive and needs to find a doctor >>>> that will diagnose her. >>>> >>>> She has a good lawyer that is taking this on for almost free. He used to >> be >>>> with the minister of health for the province of Ontario and has now gone >> to >>>> the other side. She has city councillors sending letters to wireless >>>> providers and they have told them to remove them. Magda Havas is >> testifying >>>> , making awareness of the situation on her website, creating a new EHS >>>> website, and is bringing some of her associates to testify too. >>>> >>>> If you go to magdahavas.com - you can see a video that Dr. Havas made >>>> about this woman and it shows the antennas that they placed right over >> the >>>> balcony. The towers are about 4 feet away from her. To the councellors >> and >>>> the lawyer and Magda Havas - this landlord and the telephone company >> stepped >>>> across the line putting them so close to her balcony - and her roof is >> just >>>> tar and gravel. >>>> The cell tower radiation came right through the roof into her bedroom - >> at >>>> about 2 to 5,000 uWattsm2 >>>> Can you imagine sleeping in that for 2 months? >>>> >>>> It's criminal and now even the common sense from the city councellors >> and >>>> lawyers are prevailing that this has gone way too far. Bell has even >> turned >>>> the cell towers off - but there are other co-located towers that are >> on. >>>> >>>> This woman is not suing for damages - she refuses to let anyone else >> move >>>> into the apartment because they will just become ill too. So - she just >>>> abandoned the apartment - left her furnishings there - and is living in >> a >>>> bacement of a friend - she does not want anyone to move into the >> apartment >>>> - they will just becomes ill like her. Even the city of Toronto's public >>>> health department agrees the safety levels are way too high. >>>> >>>> If anyone out there has a doctor that has prescribed their illness as >> EHS - >>>> this woman needs to know the name so her lawyer can move quickly to make >> a >>>> case. >>>> >>>> Magda Havas has decided to start a new website with a mission to prove >> that >>>> EHS is real. With real proof that it exists using studies she has >> published >>>> amongst others. It is in production now and the final will be available >> in 2 >>>> weeks. It will feature doctors, lawyers and scientists and YOU >> hopefully - >>>> who all will attempt to prove that this illness is real to judges and >>>> doctors. >>>> >>>> You can help by telling your story on this site as there will be a case >>>> history section. >>>> This site will be a place that lawyers and doctors can get information. >> It >>>> will have the latest research papers. >>>> >>>> Here is where the site is located now and has some initial information >>>> about EHS in PDF format . rewire.me eMagazine is now edited my magda >> havas >>>> and is currently getting ready for the second addition. >>>> >>>> http://www.ElectroSensitiveSociety.com >>>> >>>> It's going to be just like any other society like the American Cancer >>>> Society. She wants to have local chapters all over the world. >>>> >>>> So - if you would like to make a difference - please go to this site - >> sign >>>> up - and Magda will be in touch with you shortly to place your "case >>>> history" on the site or any other infomation that you can share about >>>> solutions to the illness. >>>> >>>> Arthur is the first person to submit "Case History" information to the >>>> site. Magda - needs your story too. >>>> >>>> Here is some information about Arthur Firstenberg - the person that is >>>> suing their neighbour over WIFI. >>>> >>>> >>>> Arthur Firstenberg is the founder and president of the Cellular Phone >> Task >>>> Force and the author of Microwaving Our Planet: The Environmental Impact >> of >>>> the Wireless Revolution (Cellular Phone Task Force 1996). From 1997 to >> 2002, >>>> he was the editor of the journal No Place To Hide. >>>> Since 1996, the Task Force has provided a global clearinghouse for >>>> information about wireless technology≠s injurious effects, anda >> national >>>> support network for people disabled by this technology. In 1997 the Task >>>> Force was the lead litigant in a challenge brought by over 50 citizens >>>> groups against the FCC≠s limits for human exposure to radio frequency >>>> radiation. >>>> Articles by Firstenberg or about his work have appeared in Mother Jones, >>>> The Ecologist, Earth Island Journal, Vegetarian Times, Village Voice, >> Utne >>>> Reader, Santa Fe New Mexican, San Francisco Chronicle, and other >> newspapers >>>> and magazines. His work has been translated into Spanish, French, >>>> Portuguese, Dutch, Italian, Danish, Japanese, and Chinese. >>>> After graduating Phi Beta Kappa from Cornell University with a B.A. in >>>> mathematics, he attended the University of California, Irvine School of >>>> Medicine from 1978 to 1982. Injury by >>>> x-ray overdose cut short his medical career. For the past 29 years he >> has >>>> been a researcher, consultant and lecturer on the health and >> environmental >>>> effects of electromagnetic radiation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2010-03-31, at 2:34 PM, Marc Martin wrote: >>>> >>>>>> I hope he wins the law suit. Loni >>>>> >>>>> Actually, I think this person should spend more effort trying to get >>>>> better, rather than suing his neighbors. I mean, the wi-fi coming >>>>> from my neighbors house bothers me too, but I would never think >>>>> of suing them! >>>>> >>>>> Marc >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > |
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Well - I agree his lawsuit is a bit "Out there" but the "out there" stuff gets publicity - lots of publicity. He could bring action against his public library with wifi. But that's not going to get press. But suing your neighbour - that gets in the tabloids! And that's the point. Public awareness. We have been shut out for too long - running away - hiding in the woods.
But when the magazines such as GQ, and Prevention, and Popular Science and the LA times come out to our aid - they do this for a reason -so we have avoice - and Arthur sees that the media is no longer afraid to loose their advertising dollars from the wireless industry - He decides it time to ridethe wave. And it's working - it's spreading - people joke about it - but it does cause people to think. Sara Palin does dumb things too - but she's great press.... On 2010-03-31, at 6:34 PM, Marc Martin wrote: > > He has lived in isolation for 20 years! He has decided to make a stand - > > to make people aware of EHS and it's working! Follow the leader - martin > > luther king. In France - they rise up and protest - > > Yes, but with the sensitivities we observe on this group, one could > end up trying to sue their neighbors for watching their plasma TVs, > having a fridge, using compact fluorescent lights, etc. Seems a > bit silly. > > Marc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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