Smart Meter just installed Denton, TX - no opt out

     A Smart Meter was installed on my home today.  The woman who installed it said there is no opt-out.   The City of Denton is the sole provider of our electricity.  
     I got the name and number of the man managing the project, and I phoned him.  He said the State of Texas PUC has not approved an opt-out, and until they do, none is available.  
     
     MaryJo

I don't understand why they offer no out out.

Go to your doc. & get a letter stating it's effecting your health.
Fax, mail certified w a return receipt. If you don't have health problems now, you will from the smart meter. Call a supervisor after you get the letter.

Contact the anti smart meter organizations,

stopsmartmeters.org, Others,  Napperville, ILL is organizing a law suit.



 NapervilleSmartMeterAwareness.org 630-579-0659


Kathy


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           A Smart Meter was installed on my home today.  The woman who installed it said there is no opt-out.   The City of Denton is the sole provider of our electricity.  

     I got the name and number of the man managing the project, and I phoned him.  He said the State of Texas PUC has not approved an opt-out, and until they do, none is available.  

     

     MaryJo





   
     

   
   






 










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Leave your house or go to the opposite part. Move your bedding there if you have to.






 










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> I don't understand why they offer no out out.

Maybe because it's in Texas?  Not the most enlightened state
(my apologies to those here who are living in Texas!)

Marc

After a few days, your body may adapt and you might find it a little more tolerable. I know this is little consolation, but it's preferable to being homeless.

J.L.


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>      A Smart Meter was installed on my home today.  The woman who installed it said there is no opt-out.   The City of Denton is the sole provider of our electricity.  
>      I got the name and number of the man managing the project, and I phoned him.  He said the State of Texas PUC has not approved an opt-out, and until they do, none is available.  
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>      MaryJo
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> > I don't understand why they offer no out out.

The only reason California got an opt-out is due to two years activists fighting, and then a news story break. A bunch of people who publically removed their smart meters and retuned them were punished by having their electricity turned off just before Christmas. A tear-filed news story got anger from the public and PG&E announced that they would have an opt-out to stop the information from spreading. That news story was yanked from the web so fast that I didn't get to see it. They have powerful people working full-time to keep the public ignorant and confused.

This industry is very powerful, corrupt, and could care less if you're dying from a smart meter. We all have to rise up and continue the fight beyond opting out! Smart meters have to GO!

If you're too ill to rise up--try to educate others. http://wirelessmess.org/introduction-to-smart-meters/ 

> The only reason California got an opt-out is due to two years activists fighting

Looks like some people are fighting back in Texas, too:

  http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/smart-meter-showdown-today-in-texas-capital/

Marc

Marc,

Thanks for the great article.  They sure got some good attorneys on this, so I hope the Texas justice system is not so corrupt and beholden to the power companies that a ruling can be made in the favor of the complaintants.   If they loose this case, we will  definitely  know for sure that the system is rigged.

C. Johnson
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      > The only reason California got an opt-out is due to two years activists fighting



Looks like some people are fighting back in Texas, too:



http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/smart-meter-showdown-today-in-texas-capital/



Marc



   
     

   
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Updated January 11, 2012 http://www.w3beinformed.org/id61.html 


The largest area is National Radio Quiet Zone National Radio Astronomy Observatory site located at Green Bank, Pocahontas County, West Virginia, and Naval Radio Research Observatory site at Sugar Grove, Pendleton County, West Virginia.


OTHER AREAS where amateur station transmissions may be restricted are near the twelve FCC monitoring facilities. Section 97.13(b) says that a station within 1 mile of an FCC monitoring facility must protect that facility from harmful interference. Failure to do so could result in imposition of operating restrictions upon the amateur station by a District Director pursuant to Section 97.121.  


Within certain areas where amateur service is regulated by the FCC, it is necessary for radiation to be restricted so as to minimize possible impact on the operations of radio astronomy or other facilities that are highly sensitive to interference.  


The following is a summary of those affected areas. Here's a few listings... it's only at certain locations within a certain distance - visit the webpage http://www.w3beinformed.org/id61.html for specifics.Kenai, Alaska, Douglas, Arizona, Powder Springs, Georgia, Waipahu, Hawaii, Belfast, Maine, Laurel, Maryland, Allegan, Michigan, Grand Island, Nebraska, Canandaigua, New York, Santa Isabel, Puerto Rico, Ferndale, Washington, Kingsville, Texas, Table Mountain Radio Receiving Zone of the Research Laboratories located in Boulder County, Colorado. Arecibo Observatory Puerto Rico
 
Elizabeth



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Marc,

Thanks for the great article.  They sure got some good attorneys on this, so I hope the Texas justice system is not so corrupt and beholden to the power companies that a ruling can be made in the favor of the complaintants.   If they loose this case, we will  definitely  know for sure that the system is rigged.

C. Johnson
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> The only reason California got an opt-out is due to two years activists fighting

Looks like some people are fighting back in Texas, too:

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/smart-meter-showdown-today-in-texas-capital/

Marc

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Hi, Lizzie,

I wish I had wonderful reports of Green Bank, but know quite a few who have gone there and found it did not help them.  I also visited last year and was not symptom-less, myself, even tho I usually am now here where I live.  (I got a headache outside of Elkins and it only went away for a few minutes when we parked briefly in a ravine to check our road map near Green Bank.)  That was certainly not enough for me to make a definite determination on Green Bank, however, as someone else ?Pamela? stated--Green Bank is a very backward area.  It appeared there was nowhere to even shop for groceries for about 90 minutes away.  

However, that said, there were some great areas in the National forest just over the mountain in Virginia!  And that area appeared to be 60 miles to a good sized town.  Up the mountain from Staunton, WVa, was a fairly good area, ES-wise, for me too (everyone would have to check this for themselves.)  So, if the govt wants to find us an escape, I would much prefer the National forest to Green Bank, personally. 


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Updated January 11, 2012 http://www.w3beinformed.org/id61.html 


The largest area is National Radio Quiet Zone National Radio Astronomy Observatory site located at Green Bank, Pocahontas County, West Virginia, and Naval Radio Research Observatory site at Sugar Grove, Pendleton County, West Virginia.


OTHER AREAS where amateur station transmissions may be restricted are near the twelve FCC monitoring facilities. Section 97.13(b) says that a station within 1 mile of an FCC monitoring facility must protect that facility from harmful interference. Failure to do so could result in imposition of operating restrictions upon the amateur station by a District Director pursuant to Section 97.121. 


Within certain areas where amateur service is regulated by the FCC, it is necessary for radiation to be restricted so as to minimize possible impact on the operations of radio astronomy or other facilities that are highly sensitive to interference. 


The following is a summary of those affected areas. Here's a few listings... it's only at certain locations within a certain distance - visit the webpage http://www.w3beinformed.org/id61.html for specifics.Kenai, Alaska, Douglas, Arizona, Powder Springs, Georgia, Waipahu, Hawaii, Belfast, Maine, Laurel, Maryland, Allegan, Michigan, Grand Island, Nebraska, Canandaigua, New York, Santa Isabel, Puerto Rico, Ferndale, Washington, Kingsville, Texas, Table Mountain Radio Receiving Zone of the Research Laboratories located in Boulder County, Colorado. Arecibo Observatory Puerto Rico

Elizabeth



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Marc,

Thanks for the great article.  They sure got some good attorneys on this, so I hope the Texas justice system is not so corrupt and beholden to the power companies that a ruling can be made in the favor of the complaintants.   If they loose this case, we will  definitely  know for sure that the system is rigged.

C. Johnson
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> The only reason California got an opt-out is due to two years activists fighting

Looks like some people are fighting back in Texas, too:

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/smart-meter-showdown-today-in-texas-capital/

Marc

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Hi Diane,
I just never got a "good" feeling about Green Bank. Can't tell you why...just a nagging, not an option place. Don't have a problem with stores being far, I'm used to planning ahead...stocking up, ect.
But there is something creepy to me, about that place.
The gov't doesn't want to find us an escape, Diane.
We're gonna have to do that ourselves.
Lizzie
 



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Hi, Lizzie,

I wish I had wonderful reports of Green Bank, but know quite a few who have gone there and found it did not help them.  I also visited last year and was not symptom-less, myself, even tho I usually am now here where I live.  (I got a headache outside of Elkins and it only went away for a few minutes when we parked briefly in a ravine to check our road map near Green Bank.)  That was certainly not enough for me to make a definite determination on Green Bank, however, as someone else ?Pamela? stated--Green Bank is a very backward area.  It appeared there was nowhere to even shop for groceries for about 90 minutes away.  

However, that said, there were some great areas in the National forest just over the mountain in Virginia!  And that area appeared to be 60 miles to a good sized town.  Up the mountain from Staunton, WVa, was a fairly good area, ES-wise, for me too (everyone would have to check this for themselves.)  So, if the govt wants to find us an escape, I would much prefer the National forest to Green Bank, personally.  

Diane

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Updated January 11, 2012 http://www.w3beinformed.org/id61.html 

The largest area is National Radio Quiet Zone National Radio Astronomy Observatory site located at Green Bank, Pocahontas County, West Virginia, and Naval Radio Research Observatory site at Sugar Grove, Pendleton County, West Virginia.

OTHER AREAS where amateur station transmissions may be restricted are near the twelve FCC monitoring facilities. Section 97.13(b) says that a station within 1 mile of an FCC monitoring facility must protect that facility from harmful interference. Failure to do so could result in imposition of operating restrictions upon the amateur station by a District Director pursuant to Section 97.121.  

Within certain areas where amateur service is regulated by the FCC, it is necessary for radiation to be restricted so as to minimize possible impact on the operations of radio astronomy or other facilities that are highly sensitive to interference.  

The following is a summary of those affected areas. Here's a few listings... it's only at certain locations within a certain distance - visit the webpage http://www.w3beinformed.org/id61.html for specifics.Kenai, Alaska, Douglas, Arizona, Powder Springs, Georgia, Waipahu, Hawaii, Belfast, Maine, Laurel, Maryland, Allegan, Michigan, Grand Island, Nebraska, Canandaigua, New York, Santa Isabel, Puerto Rico, Ferndale, Washington, Kingsville, Texas, Table Mountain Radio Receiving Zone of the Research Laboratories located in Boulder County, Colorado. Arecibo Observatory Puerto Rico

Elizabeth

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Marc,

Thanks for the great article.  They sure got some good attorneys on this, so I hope the Texas justice system is not so corrupt and beholden to the power companies that a ruling can be made in the favor of the complaintants.  If they loose this case, we will  definitely  know for sure that the system is rigged.

C. Johnson
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Wireless Refugee

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> The only reason California got an opt-out is due to two years activists fighting

Looks like some people are fighting back in Texas, too:

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/smart-meter-showdown-today-in-texas-capital/

Marc

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Hi Diane,
 
I don't know if I was the Pamela of which you referred, but I haven't been to W.V. to know whether it is "backwards" or not, but people should be aware that this is a full spectrum environmental assault.  Which is why some people believe the government is establishing interment camps and Draconian laws like the NDAA signed by Obama on December 31, 2011.  When people finally wake up and smell the coffee-- the government may want to label good ole Americans as "environmental terrorists."
 
What I heard was that "clean coal" mountaintop mining was going on in W.V.  according to Dr. Gary Null, who is originally from W.V.  and he stated that 60,000 cases of cancer had exploded throughout W.V.  He's usually pretty meticulous about his sources of information and research.  We must also be aware of the plans for expanding hydrofracking in these areas.  These practices are very dirty and full of potential hazards.  So before moving anywhere, people should look into these other realities.  I think that the last thing we want is to jump from the frying pan into the direct flame.
 
We need to master the processes that we find ourselves in regarding nutrition, detoxification and shielding that will work for us.  We only need to be able to function and experience the daily joys of living to be content.  Some of the other environmental factors are just as insidious and even more deadly.
 
We just cannot run and hide this time. It is bismal, but we are in this together, aren't we?
Have great week all!
 
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Hi, Lizzie,

I wish I had wonderful reports of Green Bank, but know quite a few who have gone there and found it did not help them.  I also visited last year and was not symptom-less, myself, even tho I usually am now here where I live.  (I got a headache outside of Elkins and it only went away for a few minutes when we parked briefly in a ravine to check our road map near Green Bank.)  That was certainly not enough for me to make a definite determination on Green Bank, however, as someone else ?Pamela? stated--Green Bank is a very backward area.  It appeared there was nowhere to even shop for groceries for about 90 minutes away.  

However, that said, there were some great areas in the National forest just over the mountain in Virginia!  And that area appeared to be 60 miles to a good sized town.  Up the mountain from Staunton, WVa, was a fairly good area, ES-wise, for me too (everyone would have to check this for themselves.)  So, if the govt wants to find us an escape, I would much prefer the National forest to Green Bank, personally. 

Diane

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Updated January 11, 2012 http://www.w3beinformed.org/id61.html 

The largest area is National Radio Quiet Zone National Radio Astronomy Observatory site located at Green Bank, Pocahontas County, West Virginia, and Naval Radio Research Observatory site at Sugar Grove, Pendleton County, West Virginia.

OTHER AREAS where amateur station transmissions may be restricted are near the twelve FCC monitoring facilities. Section 97.13(b) says that a station within 1 mile of an FCC monitoring facility must protect that facility from harmful interference. Failure to do so could result in imposition of operating restrictions upon the amateur station by a District Director pursuant to Section 97.121. 

Within certain areas where amateur service is regulated by the FCC, it is necessary for radiation to be restricted so as to minimize possible impact on the operations of radio astronomy or other facilities that are highly sensitive to interference. 

The following is a summary of those affected areas. Here's a few listings... it's only at certain locations within a certain distance - visit the webpage http://www.w3beinformed.org/id61.html for specifics.Kenai, Alaska, Douglas, Arizona, Powder Springs, Georgia, Waipahu, Hawaii, Belfast, Maine, Laurel, Maryland, Allegan, Michigan, Grand Island, Nebraska, Canandaigua, New York, Santa Isabel, Puerto Rico, Ferndale, Washington, Kingsville, Texas, Table Mountain Radio Receiving Zone of the Research Laboratories located in Boulder County, Colorado. Arecibo Observatory Puerto Rico

Elizabeth

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Marc,

Thanks for the great article.  They sure got some good attorneys on this, so I hope the Texas justice system is not so corrupt and beholden to the power companies that a ruling can be made in the favor of the complaintants.  If they loose this case, we will  definitely  know for sure that the system is rigged.

C. Johnson
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> The only reason California got an opt-out is due to two years activists fighting

Looks like some people are fighting back in Texas, too:

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/smart-meter-showdown-today-in-texas-capital/

Marc

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Thanks for the updates Diane, Pam and Lizzie!  I've been wondering about this area and haven't had the opportunity to take readings yet.I currently don't get immediate feedback from my body when I'm around microwave radiation. My symptoms are more delayed, so I have to carry around a meter to tell me what's what.


Access to food and services is one consideration. Fracking is another one that I'm just becoming aware of, and I found a group in Pocahontas county who are trying to keep the gas companies out of the county. I'm not sure if they've been successful or not yet...


http://www.eight-rivers.org/

Another consideration is that water may flow from polluted areas East towards the ocean.  Most of Virginia is not in the Marcellus shale field, so there may not be an immediate danger, but I wonder if studies are being done in Virginia to measure if contaminated water is coming from fracked wells in WV....  Clean water is a prime consideration for me choosing where to settle.

I found some cheaper land south of Austin a while back, 10 acres for 50K which is a really good deal in central Texas!  Well, you get what you pay for!  I did some driving around that area and found a concentration of gas wells just a couple of miles south. So I said to myself... These aren't the droids you're looking for.  Move along. Move along...  :-)   Ironically a group of people I was involved with at the time bought the property to create an Intentional Community. They bought it before I could mention the wells. You have to do your homework... Unfortunately my criteria list is getting longer and my choice of hospitable locations is getting shorter!   But to quote another favorite film... "Never give up, never surrender!"


Tim 


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Hi, Lizzie,

I wish I had wonderful reports of Green Bank, but know quite a few who have gone there and found it did not help them.  I also visited last year and was not symptom-less, myself, even tho I usually am now here where I live.  (I got a headache outside of Elkins and it only went away for a few minutes when we parked briefly in a ravine to check our road map near Green Bank.)  That was certainly not enough for me to make a definite determination on Green Bank, however, as someone else ?Pamela? stated--Green Bank is a very backward area.  It appeared there was nowhere to even shop for groceries for about 90 minutes away.  

However, that said, there were some great areas in the National forest just over the mountain in Virginia!  And that area appeared to be 60 miles to a good sized town.  Up the mountain from Staunton, WVa, was a fairly good area, ES-wise, for me too (everyone would have to check this for themselves.)  So, if the govt wants to find us an escape, I would much prefer the National forest to Green Bank, personally. 

Diane

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Updated January 11, 2012 http://www.w3beinformed.org/id61.html 

The largest area is National Radio Quiet Zone National Radio Astronomy Observatory site located at Green Bank, Pocahontas County, West Virginia, and Naval Radio Research Observatory site at Sugar Grove, Pendleton County, West Virginia.

OTHER AREAS where amateur station transmissions may be restricted are near the twelve FCC monitoring facilities. Section 97.13(b) says that a station within 1 mile of an FCC monitoring facility must protect that facility from harmful interference. Failure to do so could result in imposition of operating restrictions upon the amateur station by a District Director pursuant to Section 97.121. 

Within certain areas where amateur service is regulated by the FCC, it is necessary for radiation to be restricted so as to minimize possible impact on the operations of radio astronomy or other facilities that are highly sensitive to interference. 

The following is a summary of those affected areas. Here's a few listings... it's only at certain locations within a certain distance - visit the webpage http://www.w3beinformed.org/id61.html for specifics.Kenai, Alaska, Douglas, Arizona, Powder Springs, Georgia, Waipahu, Hawaii, Belfast, Maine, Laurel, Maryland, Allegan, Michigan, Grand Island, Nebraska, Canandaigua, New York, Santa Isabel, Puerto Rico, Ferndale, Washington, Kingsville, Texas, Table Mountain Radio Receiving Zone of the Research Laboratories located in Boulder County, Colorado. Arecibo Observatory Puerto Rico

Elizabeth

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Marc,

Thanks for the great article.  They sure got some good attorneys on this, so I hope the Texas justice system is not so corrupt and beholden to the power companies that a ruling can be made in the favor of the complaintants.   If they loose this case, we will  definitely  know for sure that the system is rigged.

C. Johnson
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> The only reason California got an opt-out is due to two years activists fighting

Looks like some people are fighting back in Texas, too:

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/smart-meter-showdown-today-in-texas-capital/

Marc

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I didn't get much relief during my last visit
to Green Bank. But it was a short stay, and we
drove most of the time scouting out the area
(driving causes bad ES symptoms for me). Seneca
State Forest is a site to behold! and the view
from SnowShoe mountain is breathtaking.

A problem is that there was a 3-5 milli gauss
magnetic field on the major roads to the nearest
large town where the realtors are located (Marlinton).
And that was in the spring. I expect higher fields
in the summer months during peak power usage.

There is a small grocery store in GB, and I've
heard there are organic co-ops. Perhaps if I don't
have to drive much, G.B. could be a safe refuge
when we get smart meters over here in NJ.
Eli

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I'm disappointed to hear that about Greenbank! I am in bad shape due to the 4G here. I live in a 4G hot spot area and having life threatening reactions. I can't take it much longer and there won't be any areas free of it except Green Bank fairly soon.
 
Especially with Obama's light squared!
 
Any life saving ideas for me?  I was thinking of heading to Green Bank in April. Really, honestly, to prevent me from driving off a cliff I'm in so much pain.
 
Is Kingsville Texas protected?
 
Anyone with the some positive experiences in Green Bank? 
 
Loni

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I didn't get much relief during my last visit
to Green Bank. But it was a short stay, and we
drove most of the time scouting out the area
(driving causes bad ES symptoms for me). Seneca
State Forest is a site to behold! and the view
from SnowShoe mountain is breathtaking.

A problem is that there was a 3-5 milli gauss
magnetic field on the major roads to the nearest
large town where the realtors are located (Marlinton).
And that was in the spring. I expect higher fields
in the summer months during peak power usage.

There is a small grocery store in GB, and I've
heard there are organic co-ops. Perhaps if I don't
have to drive much, G.B. could be a safe refuge
when we get smart meters over here in NJ.
Eli

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Loni,
I am so sorry you are suffering so.
I wish I could give you a safe place.
Right now, the only thing I can do, is suggest Potassium to your diet.
(avocados, dried apricots, Bragg's Raw Apple Cider Vinegar- 1-2 Tb to 8 oz water, with honey)
I just came across some startling new info (to me) on Potassium levels. IF calcium influx is being
caused by this nasty energy, maybe its doing the same thing in the body with Potassium.
Know you are in my prayers.
Blessings,
Lizzie
 



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I'm disappointed to hear that about Greenbank! I am in bad shape due to the 4G here. I live in a 4G hot spot area and having life threatening reactions. I can't take it much longer and there won't be any areas free of it except Green Bank fairly soon.
 
Especially with Obama's light squared!
 
Any life saving ideas for me?  I was thinking of heading to Green Bank in April. Really, honestly, to prevent me from driving off a cliff I'm in so much pain.
 
Is Kingsville Texas protected?
 
Anyone with the some positive experiences in Green Bank?  
 
Loni

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From: ahappyhabitat <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Quiet Zones
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Date: Monday, February 27, 2012, 7:38 AM

 

I didn't get much relief during my last visit
to Green Bank. But it was a short stay, and we
drove most of the time scouting out the area
(driving causes bad ES symptoms for me). Seneca
State Forest is a site to behold! and the view
from SnowShoe mountain is breathtaking.

A problem is that there was a 3-5 milli gauss
magnetic field on the major roads to the nearest
large town where the realtors are located (Marlinton).
And that was in the spring. I expect higher fields
in the summer months during peak power usage.

There is a small grocery store in GB, and I've
heard there are organic co-ops. Perhaps if I don't
have to drive much, G.B. could be a safe refuge
when we get smart meters over here in NJ.
Eli

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> I'm disappointed to hear that about Greenbank!

I'm rather surprised at all of the focus on Greenbank.  I recently flew
halfway across the USA (with a window seat), and looking down
there seemed to be vast areas that are sparsely populated... so a
LOT of possibilities for low EMF areas...

Marc

Hi, Eli, Loni, and Marc,


Loni, you should still make the trip.  It might be better out here than where you live, even if it isn't perfect.  But I think there are areas all over, like Marc said, which are still good.  Maybe you could scout out other places along the way.  Problem is you spend money on a place and then the frequencies get changed; we need to avoid that as much as possible, as it eats up our savings!  But if you are coming only to camp in an RV, that is completely different--that has a higher potential to work for you.  Another problem with Green Bank, according to other Essers I've emailed/ spoken with is there are few places to rent and buy in Green Bank.  There are some run down farms for sale, but not much to buy or rent and move right into.  It might be too early to go, btw, in April if you are staying in your car or camping, just so you know.  It is warmer there than where I live, but still nights can be fairly cold there in April, I think.  Last
 year we watched the weather fairly closely as to night temps, so we could camp, (but ended up going in July, because my mom was ill from May till mid summer).

I made a mistake on what I wrote earlier.  I meant up the mountain from Staunton, Virginia, not Staunton, W. Va., there were areas which were very remote and good for me personally.  Route 250 is the road thru the mountains that we took--directly left of Staunton, Va. on a map.   Much of the road thru that pass was very scenic, but also very quiet ES-wise.  I would need to meter it to be sure; I didn't have a meter on the trip.  And there were roads in the valleys along that route which went for great distances without any homes.  Loni, it is gorgeous to see even if Green Bank is a wash out.  The mountains of Virginia, especially. 

Marc, the reason GB is [supposed to be] attractive to us is particular frequencies can never be added there.  I *do not* know, however, whether GB will escape smart meters.  Unless there were laws to restrict added frequencies in other remote areas, it is a crap shoot.  That would only work if they set up a "reserve" for us in one or more of the National forests or elsewhere.  (Which, imo, would be the best of all worlds.)


I did see a small grocer in Green Bank, but it sold no organic produce or foods I could safely eat.  They sold almost all processed foods, which I don't even use.  It is good to know, tho, that there are co-ops there; thanks Eli!  That is a plus!


We did look into land prices a bit.  The land is relatively expensive, I thought, for being so remote.  Here in Pa, I could find a remote piece of land (5 acres)--and remote meaning no utility access-- surrounded on 3 sides by State forest for $12,000 (total) three or four years ago.  [Of course, for nice land with utilities you are looking at $20,000 to $35,000.+ per acre, here.]  I think the land at Green Bank was running about $9,000 to $10,000 per acre, on average, according to what we were able to look into.  If people were to go together to buy farms there, it would be more reasonable.  But personally, I would need much more time in the area to determine whether I could stand it there long-term (and not just from an ES standpoint!  ;))  It would be good place tho to camp if you had an RV, I think, as long as the frequencies agree with you, Loni.

My 2 pennies,  ;)
Diane 



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 From: ahappyhabitat <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 9:38 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Quiet Zones
 
I didn't get much relief during my last visit
to Green Bank. But it was a short stay, and we
drove most of the time scouting out the area
(driving causes bad ES symptoms for me). Seneca
State Forest is a site to behold! and the view
from SnowShoe mountain is breathtaking.

A problem is that there was a 3-5 milli gauss
magnetic field on the major roads to the nearest
large town where the realtors are located (Marlinton).
And that was in the spring. I expect higher fields
in the summer months during peak power usage.

There is a small grocery store in GB, and I've
heard there are organic co-ops. Perhaps if I don't
have to drive much, G.B. could be a safe refuge
when we get smart meters over here in NJ.
Eli

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Good point Eli...I guess they won't be using SMART meters there since they restrict radio waves.
 
Pam

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Subject: [eSens] Re: Quiet Zones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, February 27, 2012, 9:38 AM



 



I didn't get much relief during my last visit
to Green Bank. But it was a short stay, and we
drove most of the time scouting out the area
(driving causes bad ES symptoms for me). Seneca
State Forest is a site to behold! and the view
from SnowShoe mountain is breathtaking.

A problem is that there was a 3-5 milli gauss
magnetic field on the major roads to the nearest
large town where the realtors are located (Marlinton).
And that was in the spring. I expect higher fields
in the summer months during peak power usage.

There is a small grocery store in GB, and I've
heard there are organic co-ops. Perhaps if I don't
have to drive much, G.B. could be a safe refuge
when we get smart meters over here in NJ.
Eli

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I guess sometimes all we can do is live for the present moment because there is no true safety only good karma.  Sure GB may feel better, but the environmental hazards may abound in other ways.  That's the choice I make by wearing conductive materials, they say we shouldn't do it, but if it makes my moment to moment experience any more comforting, which it has, I'm doing it.  Isn't that what people do when they take medications with long term health risks or when they use chemotherapy hoping to cure their life endangering illness?
 
I wish you the best Loni.  It's a loooong road ahead for each of us.
 
Blessings,
Pam

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Quiet Zones
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Date: Monday, February 27, 2012, 2:59 PM



 





I'm disappointed to hear that about Greenbank! I am in bad shape due to the 4G here. I live in a 4G hot spot area and having life threatening reactions. I can't take it much longer and there won't be any areas free of it except Green Bank fairly soon.
 
Especially with Obama's light squared!
 
Any life saving ideas for me?  I was thinking of heading to Green Bank in April. Really, honestly, to prevent me from driving off a cliff I'm in so much pain.
 
Is Kingsville Texas protected?
 
Anyone with the some positive experiences in Green Bank? 
 
Loni

--- On Mon, 2/27/12, ahappyhabitat <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: ahappyhabitat <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Quiet Zones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, February 27, 2012, 7:38 AM

 

I didn't get much relief during my last visit
to Green Bank. But it was a short stay, and we
drove most of the time scouting out the area
(driving causes bad ES symptoms for me). Seneca
State Forest is a site to behold! and the view
from SnowShoe mountain is breathtaking.

A problem is that there was a 3-5 milli gauss
magnetic field on the major roads to the nearest
large town where the realtors are located (Marlinton).
And that was in the spring. I expect higher fields
in the summer months during peak power usage.

There is a small grocery store in GB, and I've
heard there are organic co-ops. Perhaps if I don't
have to drive much, G.B. could be a safe refuge
when we get smart meters over here in NJ.
Eli

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