Smart Meter just installed Denton, TX - no opt out

Marc,
 
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought that it was a protocol designed by Charles to help his wife and it was successful.  That's great!  It's sad that it costs nothing to come down with this nerve shattering condition, but requires wealth to be alleviated.  Also, Arthur Firstenberg has been with this condition for over thirty years, he's not on here because he's not on computers anywhere.  And I know many other people who are not on here, but are very active. 
 
I think it's nice to have this hub.  Gee, maybe people are shamed of our "outcast" status.  People who care make themselves available.  As do you and the members here.
 
Let's not forget that many people's conditions have progressed to full-blown illness-- seizures, strokes, heart problems, anxiety disorders...  At least I know what's bad for me.  Some people are completely clueless.  It's okay that everything's not for everyone.  It's always been that way.
 
Pam


--- On Thu, 3/1/12, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 1:50 PM



 



> I'm really glad that you mentioned this because many people here have
> had their mercury fillings out and have chelated and taken oodles of
> supplements and use coherent devices, but can anyone here say that
> they are symptom free? 

Certainly I have heard people reporting that they've becoming symptom
free after working on whatever predisposed them to becoming ES
(typically heavy metals). For example, Gillgan Joy, "Ed from the
Netherlands", Charles' wife.

However, these are the usually the sorts of people who then unsubscribe
from this group, because they no longer need the advice given here.
So the group tends to be full of the people who stay sick, because
they either cannot afford or are unwilling to do what's necessary to
get better, or they do not have insight/good luck to figure out what
exactly they need to do.

Marc







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From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 14:54:59 -0500




Hi All,
I am thrilled that many have been healed/ or who have their symptoms lesson. But I continue to hurt for those millions who still
suffer. And cannot turn a blind eye to the babies being born today, and the children living today, in this plague
of wireless radiation- combined with a heavy metal vaccine program- who are suffering the consequences of a
world gone mad. That being said, I think it is heartless to lay the blame on the victims, past, present and future.
It sounds like the victims are being blamed for having committed the crime of being sickened and not having the financial resources
or the luck, to figure it out.  Or being too sick to fight for themselves.
Where's the heart? For all those people who are standing UP for others, even when they themselves are not ES, or when they are ES-
and are putting themselves right in the belly of the beast, putting their own health at risk, to raise awareness.
Those who are not ES could have stuck their heads back in the sand; but they didn't. They risked being called: tin foil people,
conspiracy theorists, ect,ect...because they chose to defend humanity, against threats that have been proven
to be real. Now its come down to the wire. Either we stand for each other, for humanity, or we continue to witness
the mass sufferings. *If they were  going to put a cell tower, 50 ft from your house, Marc, would you want your
neighbors/friends/family to stand with you? Do you think you could stop that cell tower by yourself?
Because Marc? If I was your neighbor, I'd be standing right there with you, to stop that cell tower from going up.
The Tide Is Turning because people are standing UP for humanity.
The choice is, to be part of the solution, or part of the problem.
 
You want us to discuss only symptoms?
One could look at APATHY as a symptom of wireless radiation. Some people call this phenonemon "walking zombies".
 
apathy  ap·a·thy (āp'ə-thē)
n.
Lack of interest, concern, or emotion; indifference.
 
P.S. Breaking news on the smart meter home front. I just received a phone call from my City Hall, informing me
that they have received a letter from DTE, our ele co, that they are now offering an OPT-OUT, for customers.
So far, we have been triply blessed, in that our area has not been smart metered.
I received this phone call, because I have put myself in the belly of the beast, and have addressed my City Hall,
many times in the past 9 mths, on this issue. While on the one hand, this can be seen as a huge indictator of progress,
the fact is, all being connected to the grid, means those who don't OPT-OUT, will still be exposed to the dirty electricity
from smart meters. But we GOT this progress, because thousands of people all over the country, STOOD UP for humanity.
Victories continue to come because apathy is now being replaced by having a heart. As a social engineering tool, apathy
guarantees more misery. Having a heart means we all count, and we must all stand for each other, even and most especially
when its not conveniant.
Blessings,
Lizzie
 
 

 




To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:50:55 -0800
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free

 


> I'm really glad that you mentioned this because many people here have
> had their mercury fillings out and have chelated and taken oodles of
> supplements and use coherent devices, but can anyone here say that
> they are symptom free?

Certainly I have heard people reporting that they've becoming symptom
free after working on whatever predisposed them to becoming ES
(typically heavy metals). For example, Gillgan Joy, "Ed from the
Netherlands", Charles' wife.

However, these are the usually the sorts of people who then unsubscribe
from this group, because they no longer need the advice given here.
So the group tends to be full of the people who stay sick, because
they either cannot afford or are unwilling to do what's necessary to
get better, or they do not have insight/good luck to figure out what
exactly they need to do.

Marc




     

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Correcting a typo:
the following line should read:
the fact is, all being connected to the grid, means those who don't  this should be "DO OPT-OUT", will still be exposed to the dirty electricity
from smart meters.
I will add to this:
And those of us who either use some type of  surge protectors system/ or any type of filters to reduce Dirty Electricity- that are plugged in to outlets?
I'd say there's a good many of us who ALREADY know we react to  DIRTY ELECTRICITY.
It's not just the radiation given off by smart meters that causes health issues. It is the dirty electricity as well.
Now, the symptoms from having a house fire due to or as a co factor in a house fire?
OUtside of possibly being killed, burned, or homeless? What effect does the homeless aspect or being burned in a house
fire do to someone who is already ES? Hospitals are the worse places for many of us. And the possibility of being
homeless and NOT having all the protective measures we fought to find and put in place, so we could help our
ES issues......is quite disturbing, to say the least. Or if none of that bothers you, how about having your pets burned
in a house fire, where coincidentally, there just happened to be a smart meter on that house. This just happened  to
a good friend's son, this past Dec. They lost everything, the house was gone! Their dog was killed in the fire too.
 
Am I shouting loud enough?
Lizzie


 



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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:21:43 -0500
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From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 14:54:59 -0500




Hi All,
I am thrilled that many have been healed/ or who have their symptoms lesson. But I continue to hurt for those millions who still
suffer. And cannot turn a blind eye to the babies being born today, and the children living today, in this plague
of wireless radiation- combined with a heavy metal vaccine program- who are suffering the consequences of a
world gone mad. That being said, I think it is heartless to lay the blame on the victims, past, present and future.
It sounds like the victims are being blamed for having committed the crime of being sickened and not having the financial resources
or the luck, to figure it out. Or being too sick to fight for themselves.
Where's the heart? For all those people who are standing UP for others, even when they themselves are not ES, or when they are ES-
and are putting themselves right in the belly of the beast, putting their own health at risk, to raise awareness.
Those who are not ES could have stuck their heads back in the sand; but they didn't. They risked being called: tin foil people,
conspiracy theorists, ect,ect...because they chose to defend humanity, against threats that have been proven
to be real. Now its come down to the wire. Either we stand for each other, for humanity, or we continue to witness
the mass sufferings. *If they were going to put a cell tower, 50 ft from your house, Marc, would you want your
neighbors/friends/family to stand with you? Do you think you could stop that cell tower by yourself?
Because Marc? If I was your neighbor, I'd be standing right there with you, to stop that cell tower from going up.
The Tide Is Turning because people are standing UP for humanity.
The choice is, to be part of the solution, or part of the problem.

You want us to discuss only symptoms?
One could look at APATHY as a symptom of wireless radiation. Some people call this phenonemon "walking zombies".

apathy ap·a·thy (āp'ə-thē)
n.
Lack of interest, concern, or emotion; indifference.

P.S. Breaking news on the smart meter home front. I just received a phone call from my City Hall, informing me
that they have received a letter from DTE, our ele co, that they are now offering an OPT-OUT, for customers.
So far, we have been triply blessed, in that our area has not been smart metered.
I received this phone call, because I have put myself in the belly of the beast, and have addressed my City Hall,
many times in the past 9 mths, on this issue. While on the one hand, this can be seen as a huge indictator of progress,
the fact is, all being connected to the grid, means those who don't OPT-OUT, will still be exposed to the dirty electricity
from smart meters. But we GOT this progress, because thousands of people all over the country, STOOD UP for humanity.
Victories continue to come because apathy is now being replaced by having a heart. As a social engineering tool, apathy
guarantees more misery. Having a heart means we all count, and we must all stand for each other, even and most especially
when its not conveniant.
Blessings,
Lizzie








To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:50:55 -0800
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free




> I'm really glad that you mentioned this because many people here have
> had their mercury fillings out and have chelated and taken oodles of
> supplements and use coherent devices, but can anyone here say that
> they are symptom free?

Certainly I have heard people reporting that they've becoming symptom
free after working on whatever predisposed them to becoming ES
(typically heavy metals). For example, Gillgan Joy, "Ed from the
Netherlands", Charles' wife.

However, these are the usually the sorts of people who then unsubscribe
from this group, because they no longer need the advice given here.
So the group tends to be full of the people who stay sick, because
they either cannot afford or are unwilling to do what's necessary to
get better, or they do not have insight/good luck to figure out what
exactly they need to do.

Marc






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--- In [hidden email], pamela clemonts <adiaha22@...> wrote:
>I have 7 mercury fillings in my mouth that desperately should come out.
> Â Yes, they absolutely must come out (but make sure it's done
properly by a holistic dentist who knows what he's doing).  I had a
whole mouthful of them properly removed over 15 years ago.  I had 6 or 8
gold crowns also, and when the dentist removed them he found they had
been placed right on top of amalgams!  Of course, the worse thing you
can do is put gold in the same mouth with mercury as it causes a
galvanic reaction that releases even more mercury vapor.  I had pretty
severe mercury poisoning.  I had to get a complete blood analysis from
Dr Hal Huggins'  lab to find out what replacement materials would be
compatible with my body chemistry, then went through more than a year of
detox, including twice weekly intravenous Vitamin C treatments.  I
healed and thought it was all in the past.  But now with this EM
sensitivity I'm finding out a lot of mercury gets stored in your tissues
and body fat and is probably the reason the whole thing hit me so hard
when others who were possibly more exposed weren't bothered (yet!).  I
suspect dental mercury is a prime predictor of who will be most
affected.> Â
> Let me ask you one last thing.  Where do you purchase your
resveratrol and how much do you recommend taking,> Â It varies.  I
try to find it made from grapes rather than Japanese knotweed (otherwise
known as polygonum cuspidatum root) which is becoming increasingly
difficult as more and more companies go the cheaper route.  Or at least
a blend with some grape.  I take anywhere from 30 to 100 mg per day,
depending on what I have on hand.  I have several sources, but I like
Swanson's just because they carry many other brands besides their own
and their prices are very good, especially if you watch their constant
sales.>   >also with the calcium bentonite clay?  It's funny
that I recently came across an ad for the clay.  It sounded great,
but I couldn't find >a place in the US that sold reasonable amounts of
it.> Â  The absolutely best, most pure calcium bentonite is "Living
Clay."  There are only a couple places online that I know of to get it.
I get mine from Nature's Cleansing Clay <www.naturescleansingclay.com>
, again, because it's least expensive, especially if on sale.  (Right
now shipping is free during March.) I buy the 8 pound tub to get the
best price and I figure it will last about 6 months the way I use it.  
This is what I eat.  For external baths I've been using a slightly lower
quality bulk clay that I get from a local co-op.>Â  >Once I get this
stuff, could you help me put together a reasonable protocol to begin
with?> Â The best way to begin is get the junk out of your diet and
try to eat mostly raw organic.  Stay away from chlorella or anything
that can mobilize mercury until you have everything in place to move it
safely out of your body and not into your brain (where it will
definitely go, since emfs make your blood/brain barrier more permeable).
Sweat.  A wood sauna is great, but hot days without AC work, or manual
labor (get moving--don't lay around and wallow in pain!)  A lot of
toxins come out in sweat.  Make sure your drinking water is pure.  I
have several gallon glass (I stay away from plastic)  jars that I refill
for 27 cents each with really great reverse osmosis water at WalMart.
The dispensers are Culligan, so it's good water, with several other
filters plus ultraviolet light.  Take a good food-based vitamin/mineral
supplement that contains 200 mg of selenium (helps prevent cancer).  Eat
a lot of cultured vegetables--sauerkraut, kimchi, etc. And make sure you
get plenty of saturated fats, which are needed to heal nerve damage.
High quality coconut oil is excellent, and butter from 100% grass-fed
cows.  And work on banishing any negativity and developing a habit of
gratitude.>Â  Thanks for all your great advice!> Â
You're very welcome.  Best wishes. Colleen


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Formerly "Quiet Zones"
On Thursday, March 1, 2012 2:50 PM :"Shar Zeefas" <[hidden email]> said:


> Do you believe that only people that feel the results of the damage of wireless electrosmog are being biologically damaged?

Absolutely not.  The evidence abounds that non-ionizing radiation damages health.

> Do you believe that if eating blueberries makes someone feel a bit better that they are no longer being damaged?

Absolutely not.  Radiation is radiation.

> Do you think that soothing the "canaries in the mine" will suddenly make the toxic environment okay?
Absolutely not. 

> Do you believe that the wireless explosion should not be challenged or fought?
Absolutely not.


On Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:37 PM Marc said:
And I think people here would also not like to notice anything.

Yes of course, who wants to feel skin burning, headaches, dizziness, nausea, depression, etc.  But, on the other hand, I think we should respect what our body is telling us.  I would like to be less sensitive, but I would also like to know when I am being damaged. In fact, I can tell from the way my skin is burning, just how strong and how damaging the radiation coming at me is, and sometimes where it is.  I think being non reactive gives a false sense of safety.

On Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:37 PM Marc said:
And some of damage that people are experiencing is not due solely to EMF, but rather EMF plus some other factor. Like EMF plus heavy metals in their body. So if they eliminate the heavy metals, the symptoms that the used to associate with EMF are now gone (as is the damage from that  synergistic combination).

We can choose to look at ES as a disease that only a few "sensitive" or "reactive" people have, but the truth is, ANYBODY who is subjected to a threshold of microwave radiation that puts them over the edge, can start reacting. ES people may have had higher exposure and/or had more contributing factors that weakened their resistance to the exposure.  ES is just a matter of how strong your RESISTANCE is to a toxic exposure. 

I know of no studies that have shown if strong resistance (no synptoms) is equivalent to less damaging effect from the radiation than weak resistance (having symptoms).  From my own experience I know that symptoms or no symptoms, you are still getting damaged by the radiation.  Before I became ES (burning skin) and before I knew I was being exposed to microwaves via cell tower, I was sustaining damage to my eyes, bones, immune system, etc.  Unfortunately, for the ones who have no symptoms, they may be unaware of the problem until the damage is irreversible.  Personally, I respect what my body is telling me.  I am glad  it  told me to beware of toxic radiation or I would still be stewing in it.

This is a bad example but suppose a person has Veneral Disease, say Sypillus or Gonorrhea, but has absolutely no symptoms.  They pass the VD on to someone who gets violently ill and ends up in the hospital on IV's.  Both people have a VD infection, but one has a lower resistance.  The person on the IV recovers In a week and has gotten rid of the infection.  The person who is not treated and does not know he has an infection, goes on to get prostate cancer within the next 4 years.

Of course on the other hand, there is the example of someone being chemically sensitive to something like Bleach.  They break out in a rash, get a sore throat, burning eyes, and end up in the hospital from smelling bleach.   5 years later, they have cleaned up their body to become less sensitive to chemicals and are able to use bleach with no problems. Obviously the bleach is more damaging in one case and not another. But, the fact is, Bleach is a toxic chemical, and even if a person doesn't react to it, it can still cause physical damage if you wash your hands in it or use it improperty, or if your body absorbs the threshold of what it can withstand.

With radiation, every human has a limit for what their body can endure and the millions of people out there who are being exposed right now on a daily basis are all getting different levels of exposure, for different periods of time, of differing intensities to bodies that have varying levels of resistance. 

Notice how lots more people react to Smart Meters than to Cell Phones and Wi-Fi because the level of radiation is more intense.  Many Smart Meters send high wattage output pulses 2,000 microwatts per meter squared which is 2000 times higher than what the German Austrian environmental group has determined is the  upper limit of exposure, which is 1 mw/sq meter.  No wonder people fill up with radiation so fast and start reacting. 

Even inanimate materials have a threshold for how much they will endure before they become saturated and loose the ability to absorb, reflect or conduct the radiation.  Living organisms are more complex and thresholds vary.

But MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT.  IT IS RADIATION that is coming at you. If you want to be complacent about it and start hanging around Wi-Fi cafe's and using wireless just because you are not reacting to it anymore, just be aware that the health effects of being exposed to the non-ionizing radiation are well documented.- STERILITY, CATARACTS, DIABETES, INFECTIONS, RASHES, CANCER, ETC.  There is no reason to think that the levels the industry is expecting people to endure on a 24/7 basis are acceptable and I think wireless should be stopped or the levels severely curtailed.

I do not think anyone on this list needs to fool themself into thinking that just because you are not reacting to certain levels of microwaves or EMF's anymore, that you are safe. Just because you are not reacting any more, does not mean that you are not being damaged.  If you think you are "cured" all you have to do is go sit by a Smart Meter for awhile and let your body absorb the radiation like a sponge.  When your body reaches its threshold of what it can withstand, then you will start reacting again.  Human bodies are not designed to absorb this type of and these levels of non-ionizing radiation. Being "cured" is only a matter of what levels of radiation you can tolerate before you start reacting.  And as we know, the levels of microwaves and EMF's in the world just keep going up and up and up, so expect a lot more people to start reacting.

My goal is to become less sensitive so I can move around town to go about my business without wearing protective garments, but my goal is also to reduce my exposure as much as possible so I don't endanger my health.  I need to have a safe refuge to go to, so the radiation does not build up in my body and start causing nasty symptoms and damage.

On Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:37 PM Marc said:
And sure, people can and should fight the wireless explosion, but that's not really the point of this particular group (as noted in the group's description).

Personally, I think since we are the ones who have become aware of the health risks of this radiation, it should be our responsibility to warn others. If able, we should make an effort to save the birds, the bees, the frogs, the pets, the babies, the children and all the innocents who are being exposed.  This is a full scale evil assault on all living organisms and we should be concerned, VERY CONCERNED.  If you were a child sitting in a school with a Cell Tower on the grounds and Wi-Fi in the rooms, wouldn't  you want someone to save you from the damage you are without a doubt going to sustain and that is going to ruin your future?  The children need our help.

Pam was right when she said we are being scathed.  The Great Culling is underway.  The independent film called "The Great Culling" by Mike Adams, former Senator Karen Johnson, Dr. David Kennedy, Dr. Doris Rapp, etc. comes out in April.   It will discuss various things like chemtrails, Flouridation, HAARP and even Cell Towers. Whether it is any good, I do not know but it sounds interesting.


C. Johnson
Superdrove@yahoo,com
Wireless Refugee











 





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Thanks Marc. I misunderstood this group and thought it would surely include promoting activism because that is something that can help people feel better and create change. But if it meant to only be about vitamins and such, I do not belong here.
Blessings, all.

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On Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 07:10 AM, Shar Zeefas wrote:
> Thanks Marc. I misunderstood this group and thought it would surely
> include promoting activism because that is something that can help
> people feel better and create change. But if it meant to only be
> about vitamins and such, I do not belong here.

Yes, this group is basically a place for electrosensitive
people to exchange experiences about what can be done to
reduce their symptoms.

A group that promotes EMF activism against cell phone towers,
smart meters, and wi-fi would presumably be a larger and
different audience, and would include concerned parents,
lawyers, activists, and protesters.  That's a different group
of people than I was intending for this particular group.

Marc

Well said C.a.b.

I must point out a math error however,
2000 x 1 mw not= 2000 uw
Their recommended upper limit of exposure is 1 micro watt/sq meter, not
milli watt.
That is equal to 19.4 milli-volts/meter. Very few meters measure below
that level, 0.02 V/m.

Not to mention finding a restful place with this lack of electrosmog is
becoming difficult.

Stewart
http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html - The most comprehensive meter review.

--


C.a.b. Johnson wrote:
> Notice how lots more people react to Smart Meters than to Cell Phones and Wi-Fi because the level of radiation is more intense.  Many Smart Meters send high wattage output pulses 2,000 microwatts per meter squared which is 2000 times higher than what the German Austrian environmental group has determined is the  upper limit of exposure, which is 1 mw/sq meter.  No wonder people fill up with radiation so fast and start reacting.  
>  

Hi, Lizzie and Loni,

Lizzie writes:
"IF calcium influx is being
caused by this nasty energy, maybe its doing the same thing in the body with Potassium."

Just so you know, this info is very individualistic.  One can experiment with these electrolytes, but if you know you have calcium leaking from cells due to emfs, you don't necessarily need potassium.  In fact, it may be a sign you have more than enough potassium in your system already.  (Because the electrolytes need to be balanced with one another and are kept in check by one another).  Too little calcium and sodium, and your potassium can run amok from excess.


I have written a lot about my personal experience here in the past.  For newbies, in the late 70s/ early 80s, I had a wonderful doctor who could suss all this out on his own (if memory serves, ion channels were not even discovered until 1982).  I had been ill from infancy and had a form of ES from at least the age of 5.  In 1979, this doctor did a hair analysis on me which came back with potassium levels way off the chart (the doc said they were the highest levels he had ever heard of).  He deduced from this test, I likely had blood brain barrier damage and brain cell leaking!  The test also showed very low levels of calcium, sodium, and magnesium.  He subsequently did a GABA test to see whether GABA crossed my BBB, which it did, and which was proof at that time that the BBB was leaking (not that any other doctor with an M.D. ever believed this when I told them.  ;)  )


From what I have gathered over time, not all ES people have the same electrolytes leaking.  I have problems with sodium and calcium leaking.  ES people with autonomic nervous system disorder (or symptoms) will often find sodium leaking; calcium supplements also help me with ANSD, so even tho my doc who dxed ANSD did not associate calcium with it and only mentioned needing more sodium, I now supplement with calcium too (lots).  Calcium leaking is the most common leaking associated with ES, but there are people here who instead have potassium leaking or just plain low potassium from another issue.  One needs always to have testing or, at least, very carefully experiment with electrolytes.  You can not just add a lot of one electrolyte willy-nilly.  You can add a *little* and see what takes place, tho.  Just be careful and take very good notes.  Out of balance electrolytes can kill you.  Be careful.  I still suggest having a test to determine
 electrolyte levels if you can possibly do it.

Good luck with this; electrolyte balancing can have a LOT to do with how well you can tolerate emfs.

Diane





________________________________
 From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:27 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Quiet Zones
 

Loni,
I am so sorry you are suffering so.
I wish I could give you a safe place.
Right now, the only thing I can do, is suggest Potassium to your diet.
(avocados, dried apricots, Bragg's Raw Apple Cider Vinegar- 1-2 Tb to 8 oz water, with honey)
I just came across some startling new info (to me) on Potassium levels. IF calcium influx is being
caused by this nasty energy, maybe its doing the same thing in the body with Potassium.
Know you are in my prayers.
Blessings,
Lizzie




To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:59:21 -0800
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Quiet Zones


 





I'm disappointed to hear that about Greenbank! I am in bad shape due to the 4G here. I live in a 4G hot spot area and having life threatening reactions. I can't take it much longer and there won't be any areas free of it except Green Bank fairly soon.

Especially with Obama's light squared!

Any life saving ideas for me?  I was thinking of heading to Green Bank in April. Really, honestly, to prevent me from driving off a cliff I'm in so much pain.

Is Kingsville Texas protected?

Anyone with the some positive experiences in Green Bank? 

Loni

--- On Mon, 2/27/12, ahappyhabitat <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: ahappyhabitat <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Quiet Zones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, February 27, 2012, 7:38 AM

 

I didn't get much relief during my last visit
to Green Bank. But it was a short stay, and we
drove most of the time scouting out the area
(driving causes bad ES symptoms for me). Seneca
State Forest is a site to behold! and the view
from SnowShoe mountain is breathtaking.

A problem is that there was a 3-5 milli gauss
magnetic field on the major roads to the nearest
large town where the realtors are located (Marlinton).
And that was in the spring. I expect higher fields
in the summer months during peak power usage.

There is a small grocery store in GB, and I've
heard there are organic co-ops. Perhaps if I don't
have to drive much, G.B. could be a safe refuge
when we get smart meters over here in NJ.
Eli

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 08:16:21 -0800
Marc wrote:
 Yes, this group is basically a place for electrosensitive
people to exchange experiences about what can be done to
reduce their symptoms.
Lizzie responds:
On the one hand, this group provides a huge amt of of helpful
insight, experience, and information on ES. Speaking for myself,
I am very thankful you had the foresight/passion to start this group,
Marc.
But on the other hand,
 "what can be done to reduce the symptoms", to my way of thinking;
has to also include stopping, reducing the CAUSE. Otherwise, even our
own homes won't be the safe havens for some of us. And then what?
What happens Marc, when "your" home is no longer your safe haven?
Something to ponder on:
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change
the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead
 
Lizzie



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On Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 07:10 AM, Shar Zeefas wrote:
> Thanks Marc. I misunderstood this group and thought it would surely
> include promoting activism because that is something that can help
> people feel better and create change. But if it meant to only be
> about vitamins and such, I do not belong here.

Yes, this group is basically a place for electrosensitive
people to exchange experiences about what can be done to
reduce their symptoms.

A group that promotes EMF activism against cell phone towers,
smart meters, and wi-fi would presumably be a larger and
different audience, and would include concerned parents,
lawyers, activists, and protesters. That's a different group
of people than I was intending for this particular group.

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Hi, Colleen,

Thanks for sharing!  I, too, find I can "off load" emf anxiety and overload, but I have no beach near-by.  Instead I walk on rocks next to a rapidly flowing river.   I usually wear all leather moccasins or cotton socks instead of going barefoot (which I would at the beach, but the rocks can cut your feet, plus one day I came home with a toe infection from going barefoot).

Good luck in finding a new home,

Diane



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Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:33 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Quiet Zones
 
-- In [hidden email], pamela clemonts <adiaha22@...> wrote:>>
Sometimes I can get so overstimulated that I possibly feel raw to
everything.  Like someone else stated, maybe after settling down and
unwinding for a while the stress levels would decrease just from being
around the natural setting.> Â > Pam
I found a temporary fix that works wonders for me--walking barefoot on
the beach.  I accidentally discovered this when I would start to feel
edgy and go walk on the beach thinking it was emotionally calming.  But
I found out its way more than that.  Apparently the grounding effect
literally releases the "charge" from your body into the ground.
I am fortunate to be near the ocean for the winter, so now I make a
point of walking on the beach for an hour at least 2 or 3 times a week
and it's like magic.  All the pain, anxiety, edginess is completely gone
when I'm done, and it lasts a couple days for me.
I've been researching this and found out it also works anywhere walking
barefoot on the bare earth or on grass, and also on untreated and
unsealed concrete that is laid directly on the ground.  But not on
asphalt or wood or sealed concrete. If you live in an old house with a
basement from back when they laid the concrete directly on the earth,
and if it is not tiled or sealed inside, you can sometimes find a spot
or two that aren't affected by household currents and just stand there
barefoot.
I don't swim, but I was also told it works even better if you swim in
salt water--something about the salt being a catalyst or something.  So
now I walk in the water just at the edge so I'm actually connected to
the whole ocean.  (Sorry if you guys already know this--I'm new here and
haven't read the archives.)
Anyway, another idea I had is that there are many small barrier islands
around most coastlines that are pretty much off the grid. Some are
resort areas that have installed wi-fi, but you don't get any signal the
farther you go away from the tourist areas.
Btw, I found the place I live in that didn't have a smart meter.  Well,
two weeks ago they installed one. So I've been looking at apartments and
condos to move, and I'm finding as many as 30 all in a group on one
wall, and 30 more maybe 10 feet away on the next building. Asking
around, I found that the people sleeping on the other side of those
walls, sometimes children, don't have a clue what they're being exposed
to. I can no longer believe this is just industry bottom line greed and
cover-up (and certainly not ignorance).  This has to be part of an
intentional government population reduction agenda.
I believe the human body has a nearly unlimited potential to heal
itself, so I'm trying to focus much more on finding whatever small clues
in the research that can help me do this.  Grounding is one.  Taking
resveratrol is another since the research shows it repairs breaks in DNA
strands caused by radiation exposure.  Using calcium bentonite clay,
both internally and externally, is another, since it attracts positive
ions and pulls them out of your body (heavy metals have positive ions).
And I enhance the effect by adding magnesium and sulfur.  I think there
is much potential in homeopathics also, but haven't had much time to
explore it.  It is based on energy fields, and I know Dr Teresa Dale has
been working on this with great effects for detoxing radiation. And
there is much more.
I believe the Creator has given us ways, but it's up to us to discover
them.  Above all, don't allow yourself to give off negative energy with
fear, despair, anger, and other negative emotions. Your body responds to
this. It says, so to speak, "Ok, this is something we can't overcome, so
we need to go into dying mode and start gradually shutting down
functions."
Stay positive, and set your determination to triumph over this and not
succumb.  The Bible says "Resist the devil and he shall flee."  Well,
whatever your religious beliefs, quantum physics and quantum biology are
showing us the power of our thoughts. This thing is an evil and I intend
to personally resist it with all my strength.  I won't change the power
companies or communication providers, but I sure as heck will affect my
own body.  And to me, that's what counts.  Blessings to all of you.
Colleen

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>  "what can be done to reduce the symptoms", to my way of thinking;
> has to also include stopping, reducing the CAUSE. Otherwise, even our
> own homes won't be the safe havens for some of us. And then what?
> What happens Marc, when "your" home is no longer your safe haven?

Well, then I move... the same advice we give to others who cannot
tolerate their homes and can't find any other solution.

This discussion group is busy enough without expanding the scope
to activism.   The target audience for this group includes people who
find it painful to use a computer and read emails, and I certainly
don't want to fill up these people's inbox with activist posts --
they are struggling for their own survival, and should be
focusing on that first.  They can move onto "saving the planet"
later (if they are interested in doing that) after they've first saved
themselves.

Marc

Hi, Pam,


I have gone from nearly completely bed-bound for 13 years (could get out of bed about a total of 1hour cumulatively/ day to go to bathroom, etc) to completely normal energy-wise.  (In fact, some might argue I have more energy than a normal person of 60 yo.)  Do I still react to emfs?  Yes, but they do not render me completely brain-challenged, etc, any more. 


I do not react to as many emfs, as well, now, either.  Many places I used to be unable to go to, I now can go to without any symptoms.  My body still accumulates emfs, so, overtime, if I am not taking any supplements or grounding myself, I will degenerate to a place where I am more reactive (but still not as bad as previously).  But, I also can get this in check within days now, instead of succumbing to many weeks/ months of increased illness.  Detoxing is still important for me.  I need to spend a period of time every year or 2 detoxing, in order to keep my immune system working well.  Same with pH.  I need to tweak my body when it goes too far into the danger zone in order to get back to a healthy place.  This is easily accomplished within a few days to 2 weeks now. 


I have been having to hang out almost constantly in doc offices and hospitals for the past 6 months (I care for my ill parents).  Many weeks I have done nothing but run back and forth to the hospital/ docs for 3 weeks to a month at a time (my dad has alzheimers and needs constant supervision to keep him from pulling his catheter and IVs out).  I feel stretched and stressed to the max.  During this time my health gets worse partially because I have no time for myself or for making good-for-me foods; it is difficult for me to eat safely anywhere because I am celiac and require a completely gluten-free diet.  Often the only food choice I have had was to buy a peanut butter cup!  I have been living on a diet of almost constant pb cups lately.  I often run out of supplements and have no time to send for them, etc.  So, what I am saying is, I can go about a month without even taking my supplements or caring at all for my health and still get back on
 track within 10 to 14 days.  And yes, I am worse for wear and ES toward the end of that 3 to 5 weeks, but I am no where near as ill as I was even 3 years ago, especially from ES.

People often think those of us who have gotten better were not that bad to begin with.  Well, not the case for me!  And I had ES from early childhood. And I am not the only one here who is better.  There are those who have gotten better and left the forum.  And still others who are better, but come to the forum infrequently.  And they do not tell that they are better every time they come.  Only someone who has been here for years themselves would know.


So, this is why Marc often comments that it is more important to focus on your health needs than what is currently going on in the world of technology.  We have a long history, thanks to Marc, of doing that on this forum.  (And in case some do not already know, Marc is the originator and moderator of this forum.)

My 2 cents,
Diane


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 From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quiet Zones
 
Hey Marc,
 
I'm really glad that you mentioned this because many people here have had their mercury fillings out and have chelated and taken oodles of supplements and use coherent devices, but can anyone here say that they are symptom free?  I have heard of some who claim to be better, like Camilla Rees, but I wanted to talk to someone here who has been "cured" of this so-called affliction.  I thank you for reminding me that I've wanted to ask this question for a while now.
 
I agree that danger comes in many forms, I would prefer not to feel the way I do, especially where I am living.  I think all that people want is to feel good and to feel safe regardless of the death that may be lurking around the corner.  What do you think?
 
Pam


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Subject: Re: [eSens] Quiet Zones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 10:08 AM



 



> Do you believe that only people that feel the results of the damage of wireless electrosmog are being biologically damaged?
> Do you believe that if eating blueberries makes someone feel a bit better that they are no longer being damaged?
> Do you think that soothing the "canaries in the mine" will suddenly make the toxic environment okay?
> Do you believe that the wireless explosion should not be challenged or fought?

I'm sure that people are being damaged regardless, but the simple truth is
that many people do not notice anything when they are around wi-fi,
cellphones, computers, etc. And I think people here would also not like
to notice anything.

And some of damage that people are experiencing is not due solely to
EMF, but rather EMF plus some other factor. Like EMF plus heavy metals in
their body. So if they eliminate the heavy metals, the symptoms that they
used to associate with EMF are now gone (as is the damage from that
synergistic combination).

And sure, people can and should fight the wireless explosion, but that's
not really the point of this particular group (as noted in the group's
description).

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Hi again, Pam,

I am not wealthy, Pam.  Yes, it can be expensive, however, I have had limited funds and have done it.  It is especially easier now to succeed since more is known about how to recover.  I have studied the people who have recovered and what they did.  There is a pattern there.  I have written about it in the past; there are common denominators.  If I can find one of those long tomes I wrote on the subject, I will resend.  I don't have the time to rewrite it today. 


I can tell you right now, tho, one of the most important things you can do is almost free--improve your diet and digestion.  Many here have underlying digestive problems.  Many are gluten intolerant, some are casein intolerant.....  Learn how to feed yourself the best possible diet and nutrition.  You have to pay for food anyway, you may as well make it count. 


Another biggie is to find a way to detox which works for you.  I did detox many different ways thru-out the years.  The easiest way was thru homeopathy.  For less than $500, you can be done with it in a couple months, if you find the right homeopath (and you will need to be cautious and tell the homeopath to go very slow).  You may think $500 is a lot of cash.  Well, you couldn't have been ill much if you think that.  Treating heart burn alone used to run me more than $500 in a year's time.  This will work even better if you take the time to prepare your liver/ kidneys/ skin/ lymphatic system ahead of time for the onslaught of toxins your body will shed. 


You can also do footbaths, clay, etc. but those take a longer time.  Chelation thru IV is the fastest way to go;  the doc gives you DMSA to pull the toxins out and then puts your blood thru a filter via IV to remove the toxins, and then puts the blood back in your body via an IV loop.  I had this in the 1980s when I nearly died of liver disease.  It is expensive and dangerous--you can die from it, but back then I had no choice, I was dying anyway.  It works immediately.  You should have your amalgams removed first before doing any detox, if possible.  But guess what--I still have some of mine (long story) and it still worked.  

I could be called the million-dollar woman, because we had to spend lots thru the years to keep me alive.  However, what I have done to help ES has been a very small amount in comparison.  

Diane



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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
 
Marc,
 
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought that it was a protocol designed by Charles to help his wife and it was successful.  That's great!  It's sad that it costs nothing to come down with this nerve shattering condition, but requires wealth to be alleviated.  Also, Arthur Firstenberg has been with this condition for over thirty years, he's not on here because he's not on computers anywhere.  And I know many other people who are not on here, but are very active. 
 
I think it's nice to have this hub.  Gee, maybe people are shamed of our "outcast" status.  People who care make themselves available.  As do you and the members here.
 
Let's not forget that many people's conditions have progressed to full-blown illness-- seizures, strokes, heart problems, anxiety disorders...  At least I know what's bad for me.  Some people are completely clueless.  It's okay that everything's not for everyone.  It's always been that way.
 
Pam


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Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
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> I'm really glad that you mentioned this because many people here have
> had their mercury fillings out and have chelated and taken oodles of
> supplements and use coherent devices, but can anyone here say that
> they are symptom free? 

Certainly I have heard people reporting that they've becoming symptom
free after working on whatever predisposed them to becoming ES
(typically heavy metals). For example, Gillgan Joy, "Ed from the
Netherlands", Charles' wife.

However, these are the usually the sorts of people who then unsubscribe
from this group, because they no longer need the advice given here.
So the group tends to be full of the people who stay sick, because
they either cannot afford or are unwilling to do what's necessary to
get better, or they do not have insight/good luck to figure out what
exactly they need to do.

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Hi CAB and All,

I personally believe both activism and working toward better health are necessary.  This is why I have and do still work at keeping my living quarters free as possible from emfs.  However, I also feel that the idea that we can take the world back to pre-digital and pre-wireless levels is unrealistic in the short-term.  In order to live in this world, I have determined I need to get my body up to snuff, so I am on par with "normal" people.  Sure, everyone is affected by these emfs.  However, all are not incapacitated by them.

My 2 cents,
Diane



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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 3:27 AM
Subject: [eSens] Is Cured Being Safe?
 
Formerly "Quiet Zones"
On Thursday, March 1, 2012 2:50 PM :"Shar Zeefas" <[hidden email]> said:


> Do you believe that only people that feel the results of the damage of wireless electrosmog are being biologically damaged?

Absolutely not.  The evidence abounds that non-ionizing radiation damages health.

> Do you believe that if eating blueberries makes someone feel a bit better that they are no longer being damaged?

Absolutely not.  Radiation is radiation.

> Do you think that soothing the "canaries in the mine" will suddenly make the toxic environment okay?
Absolutely not. 

> Do you believe that the wireless explosion should not be challenged or fought?
Absolutely not.


On Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:37 PM Marc said:
And I think people here would also not like to notice anything.

Yes of course, who wants to feel skin burning, headaches, dizziness, nausea, depression, etc.  But, on the other hand, I think we should respect what our body is telling us.  I would like to be less sensitive, but I would also like to know when I am being damaged. In fact, I can tell from the way my skin is burning, just how strong and how damaging the radiation coming at me is, and sometimes where it is.  I think being non reactive gives a false sense of safety.

On Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:37 PM Marc said:
And some of damage that people are experiencing is not due solely to EMF, but rather EMF plus some other factor. Like EMF plus heavy metals in their body. So if they eliminate the heavy metals, the symptoms that the used to associate with EMF are now gone (as is the damage from that  synergistic combination).

We can choose to look at ES as a disease that only a few "sensitive" or "reactive" people have, but the truth is, ANYBODY who is subjected to a threshold of microwave radiation that puts them over the edge, can start reacting. ES people may have had higher exposure and/or had more contributing factors that weakened their resistance to the exposure.  ES is just a matter of how strong your RESISTANCE is to a toxic exposure. 

I know of no studies that have shown if strong resistance (no synptoms) is equivalent to less damaging effect from the radiation than weak resistance (having symptoms).  From my own experience I know that symptoms or no symptoms, you are still getting damaged by the radiation.  Before I became ES (burning skin) and before I knew I was being exposed to microwaves via cell tower, I was sustaining damage to my eyes, bones, immune system, etc.  Unfortunately, for the ones who have no symptoms, they may be unaware of the problem until the damage is irreversible.  Personally, I respect what my body is telling me.  I am glad  it  told me to beware of toxic radiation or I would still be stewing in it.

This is a bad example but suppose a person has Veneral Disease, say Sypillus or Gonorrhea, but has absolutely no symptoms.  They pass the VD on to someone who gets violently ill and ends up in the hospital on IV's.  Both people have a VD infection, but one has a lower resistance.  The person on the IV recovers In a week and has gotten rid of the infection.  The person who is not treated and does not know he has an infection, goes on to get prostate cancer within the next 4 years.

Of course on the other hand, there is the example of someone being chemically sensitive to something like Bleach.  They break out in a rash, get a sore throat, burning eyes, and end up in the hospital from smelling bleach.   5 years later, they have cleaned up their body to become less sensitive to chemicals and are able to use bleach with no problems. Obviously the bleach is more damaging in one case and not another. But, the fact is, Bleach is a toxic chemical, and even if a person doesn't react to it, it can still cause physical damage if you wash your hands in it or use it improperty, or if your body absorbs the threshold of what it can withstand.

With radiation, every human has a limit for what their body can endure and the millions of people out there who are being exposed right now on a daily basis are all getting different levels of exposure, for different periods of time, of differing intensities to bodies that have varying levels of resistance. 

Notice how lots more people react to Smart Meters than to Cell Phones and Wi-Fi because the level of radiation is more intense.  Many Smart Meters send high wattage output pulses 2,000 microwatts per meter squared which is 2000 times higher than what the German Austrian environmental group has determined is the  upper limit of exposure, which is 1 mw/sq meter.  No wonder people fill up with radiation so fast and start reacting. 

Even inanimate materials have a threshold for how much they will endure before they become saturated and loose the ability to absorb, reflect or conduct the radiation.  Living organisms are more complex and thresholds vary.

But MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT.  IT IS RADIATION that is coming at you. If you want to be complacent about it and start hanging around Wi-Fi cafe's and using wireless just because you are not reacting to it anymore, just be aware that the health effects of being exposed to the non-ionizing radiation are well documented.- STERILITY, CATARACTS, DIABETES, INFECTIONS, RASHES, CANCER, ETC.  There is no reason to think that the levels the industry is expecting people to endure on a 24/7 basis are acceptable and I think wireless should be stopped or the levels severely curtailed.

I do not think anyone on this list needs to fool themself into thinking that just because you are not reacting to certain levels of microwaves or EMF's anymore, that you are safe. Just because you are not reacting any more, does not mean that you are not being damaged.  If you think you are "cured" all you have to do is go sit by a Smart Meter for awhile and let your body absorb the radiation like a sponge.  When your body reaches its threshold of what it can withstand, then you will start reacting again.  Human bodies are not designed to absorb this type of and these levels of non-ionizing radiation. Being "cured" is only a matter of what levels of radiation you can tolerate before you start reacting.  And as we know, the levels of microwaves and EMF's in the world just keep going up and up and up, so expect a lot more people to start reacting.

My goal is to become less sensitive so I can move around town to go about my business without wearing protective garments, but my goal is also to reduce my exposure as much as possible so I don't endanger my health.  I need to have a safe refuge to go to, so the radiation does not build up in my body and start causing nasty symptoms and damage.

On Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:37 PM Marc said:
And sure, people can and should fight the wireless explosion, but that's not really the point of this particular group (as noted in the group's description).

Personally, I think since we are the ones who have become aware of the health risks of this radiation, it should be our responsibility to warn others. If able, we should make an effort to save the birds, the bees, the frogs, the pets, the babies, the children and all the innocents who are being exposed.  This is a full scale evil assault on all living organisms and we should be concerned, VERY CONCERNED.  If you were a child sitting in a school with a Cell Tower on the grounds and Wi-Fi in the rooms, wouldn't  you want someone to save you from the damage you are without a doubt going to sustain and that is going to ruin your future?  The children need our help.

Pam was right when she said we are being scathed.  The Great Culling is underway.  The independent film called "The Great Culling" by Mike Adams, former Senator Karen Johnson, Dr. David Kennedy, Dr. Doris Rapp, etc. comes out in April.   It will discuss various things like chemtrails, Flouridation, HAARP and even Cell Towers. Whether it is any good, I do not know but it sounds interesting.


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Lizzie!

I am surprised at you!  You are so optimistic to be so pessimistic about what our govt wants for us!  It is as easy to be an activist for a safe haven for Essers as it is to be an activist against smart meters!  Maybe easier.  In the end, the govt wants us to shut up and let them go ahead with their "program".  I would say, to get us to shut up, they would be more than glad to give us a reserve anywhere we dammed well please!  We should use this to our benefit while we have the chance!  (I am not saying to shut up tho--keep up the hollering.  lol)  Besides, isn't this supposed to be a govt FOR the people, BY the people?  I believe in exercising my rights and getting my due share!


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 From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 3:47 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Quiet Zones
 

Hi Diane,
I just never got a "good" feeling about Green Bank. Can't tell you why...just a nagging, not an option place. Don't have a problem with stores being far, I'm used to planning ahead...stocking up, ect.
But there is something creepy to me, about that place.
The gov't doesn't want to find us an escape, Diane.
We're gonna have to do that ourselves.
Lizzie




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Hi, Lizzie,

I wish I had wonderful reports of Green Bank, but know quite a few who have gone there and found it did not help them.  I also visited last year and was not symptom-less, myself, even tho I usually am now here where I live.  (I got a headache outside of Elkins and it only went away for a few minutes when we parked briefly in a ravine to check our road map near Green Bank.)  That was certainly not enough for me to make a definite determination on Green Bank, however, as someone else ?Pamela? stated--Green Bank is a very backward area.  It appeared there was nowhere to even shop for groceries for about 90 minutes away. 

However, that said, there were some great areas in the National forest just over the mountain in Virginia!  And that area appeared to be 60 miles to a good sized town.  Up the mountain from Staunton, WVa, was a fairly good area, ES-wise, for me too (everyone would have to check this for themselves.)  So, if the govt wants to find us an escape, I would much prefer the National forest to Green Bank, personally. 

Diane

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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:05 PM
Subject: [eSens] Quiet Zones


Updated January 11, 2012 http://www.w3beinformed.org/id61.html 

The largest area is National Radio Quiet Zone National Radio Astronomy Observatory site located at Green Bank, Pocahontas County, West Virginia, and Naval Radio Research Observatory site at Sugar Grove, Pendleton County, West Virginia.

OTHER AREAS where amateur station transmissions may be restricted are near the twelve FCC monitoring facilities. Section 97.13(b) says that a station within 1 mile of an FCC monitoring facility must protect that facility from harmful interference. Failure to do so could result in imposition of operating restrictions upon the amateur station by a District Director pursuant to Section 97.121. 

Within certain areas where amateur service is regulated by the FCC, it is necessary for radiation to be restricted so as to minimize possible impact on the operations of radio astronomy or other facilities that are highly sensitive to interference. 

The following is a summary of those affected areas. Here's a few listings... it's only at certain locations within a certain distance - visit the webpage http://www.w3beinformed.org/id61.html for specifics.Kenai, Alaska, Douglas, Arizona, Powder Springs, Georgia, Waipahu, Hawaii, Belfast, Maine, Laurel, Maryland, Allegan, Michigan, Grand Island, Nebraska, Canandaigua, New York, Santa Isabel, Puerto Rico, Ferndale, Washington, Kingsville, Texas, Table Mountain Radio Receiving Zone of the Research Laboratories located in Boulder County, Colorado. Arecibo Observatory Puerto Rico

Elizabeth

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:40:37 -0800
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Smart Meter just installed Denton, TX - no opt out

 

Marc,

Thanks for the great article.  They sure got some good attorneys on this, so I hope the Texas justice system is not so corrupt and beholden to the power companies that a ruling can be made in the favor of the complaintants.  If they loose this case, we will  definitely  know for sure that the system is rigged.

C. Johnson
[hidden email]
Wireless Refugee

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Smart Meter just installed Denton, TX - no opt out
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 3:12 PM

> The only reason California got an opt-out is due to two years activists fighting

Looks like some people are fighting back in Texas, too:

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/smart-meter-showdown-today-in-texas-capital/

Marc

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Wow Colleen,
 
That's pretty awesome advice.  A little tough for me right now-- but a definite direction.  Eli sent some info about Magnetic Clay, do you think this is similar?
 
Pam

--- On Fri, 3/2/12, cjosephj <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: cjosephj <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Quiet Zones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 12:15 AM



 



--- In [hidden email], pamela clemonts <adiaha22@...> wrote:
>I have 7 mercury fillings in my mouth that desperately should come out.
> Â Yes, they absolutely must come out (but make sure it's done
properly by a holistic dentist who knows what he's doing). I had a
whole mouthful of them properly removed over 15 years ago. I had 6 or 8
gold crowns also, and when the dentist removed them he found they had
been placed right on top of amalgams! Of course, the worse thing you
can do is put gold in the same mouth with mercury as it causes a
galvanic reaction that releases even more mercury vapor. I had pretty
severe mercury poisoning. I had to get a complete blood analysis from
Dr Hal Huggins' lab to find out what replacement materials would be
compatible with my body chemistry, then went through more than a year of
detox, including twice weekly intravenous Vitamin C treatments. I
healed and thought it was all in the past. But now with this EM
sensitivity I'm finding out a lot of mercury gets stored in your tissues
and body fat and is probably the reason the whole thing hit me so hard
when others who were possibly more exposed weren't bothered (yet!). I
suspect dental mercury is a prime predictor of who will be most
affected.> Â
> Let me ask you one last thing. Where do you purchase your
resveratrol and how much do you recommend taking,> Â It varies. I
try to find it made from grapes rather than Japanese knotweed (otherwise
known as polygonum cuspidatum root) which is becoming increasingly
difficult as more and more companies go the cheaper route. Or at least
a blend with some grape. I take anywhere from 30 to 100 mg per day,
depending on what I have on hand. I have several sources, but I like
Swanson's just because they carry many other brands besides their own
and their prices are very good, especially if you watch their constant
sales.>  >also with the calcium bentonite clay? It's funny
that I recently came across an ad for the clay. It sounded great,
but I couldn't find >a place in the US that sold reasonable amounts of
it.> Â The absolutely best, most pure calcium bentonite is "Living
Clay." There are only a couple places online that I know of to get it.
I get mine from Nature's Cleansing Clay <www.naturescleansingclay.com>
, again, because it's least expensive, especially if on sale. (Right
now shipping is free during March.) I buy the 8 pound tub to get the
best price and I figure it will last about 6 months the way I use it.
This is what I eat. For external baths I've been using a slightly lower
quality bulk clay that I get from a local co-op.>Â >Once I get this
stuff, could you help me put together a reasonable protocol to begin
with?> Â The best way to begin is get the junk out of your diet and
try to eat mostly raw organic. Stay away from chlorella or anything
that can mobilize mercury until you have everything in place to move it
safely out of your body and not into your brain (where it will
definitely go, since emfs make your blood/brain barrier more permeable).
Sweat. A wood sauna is great, but hot days without AC work, or manual
labor (get moving--don't lay around and wallow in pain!) A lot of
toxins come out in sweat. Make sure your drinking water is pure. I
have several gallon glass (I stay away from plastic) jars that I refill
for 27 cents each with really great reverse osmosis water at WalMart.
The dispensers are Culligan, so it's good water, with several other
filters plus ultraviolet light. Take a good food-based vitamin/mineral
supplement that contains 200 mg of selenium (helps prevent cancer). Eat
a lot of cultured vegetables--sauerkraut, kimchi, etc. And make sure you
get plenty of saturated fats, which are needed to heal nerve damage.
High quality coconut oil is excellent, and butter from 100% grass-fed
cows. And work on banishing any negativity and developing a habit of
gratitude.>Â Thanks for all your great advice!> Â
You're very welcome. Best wishes. Colleen

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Hey Marc,
 
Did I understand that you are the founder of this group?  My hats off to you or to whomever is responsible.  When people come together, anything is possible.
 
Pam

--- On Fri, 3/2/12, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Activism
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 11:16 AM



 



On Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 07:10 AM, Shar Zeefas wrote:
> Thanks Marc. I misunderstood this group and thought it would surely
> include promoting activism because that is something that can help
> people feel better and create change. But if it meant to only be
> about vitamins and such, I do not belong here.

Yes, this group is basically a place for electrosensitive
people to exchange experiences about what can be done to
reduce their symptoms.

A group that promotes EMF activism against cell phone towers,
smart meters, and wi-fi would presumably be a larger and
different audience, and would include concerned parents,
lawyers, activists, and protesters. That's a different group
of people than I was intending for this particular group.

Marc








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Sounds like a plan, Marc.
 
Lizzie, are you ready to start that Yahoo group for EMF activism or does one already exist?  I think Emil at LessEMF told me about this group.  I'm very grateful.
 
Pam

--- On Fri, 3/2/12, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Activism
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 1:47 PM



 



> "what can be done to reduce the symptoms", to my way of thinking;
> has to also include stopping, reducing the CAUSE. Otherwise, even our
> own homes won't be the safe havens for some of us. And then what?
> What happens Marc, when "your" home is no longer your safe haven?

Well, then I move... the same advice we give to others who cannot
tolerate their homes and can't find any other solution.

This discussion group is busy enough without expanding the scope
to activism. The target audience for this group includes people who
find it painful to use a computer and read emails, and I certainly
don't want to fill up these people's inbox with activist posts --
they are struggling for their own survival, and should be
focusing on that first. They can move onto "saving the planet"
later (if they are interested in doing that) after they've first saved
themselves.

Marc







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> Hey Marc,
> Did I understand that you are the founder of this group?

Yes, that's right... I had mostly recovered from my own
ES by the time I had started this group.  I was annoyed
by the prevailing attitude on the Internet, which was
basically:

  1) ES is a psychological problem
  2) or, ES is a real physical problem, but there is nothing
     you can do about it other than avoidance / shielding
  3) all EMF protection devices are scams

Since the moderators on the existing EMF groups reinforced
(2) and (3), it seemed like there needed to be a new
discussion group that recognized that one can indeed
improve/recover from ES, and that some EMF protection
devices do indeed help some people.  Thus, this group
was created.

But yes, if someone is passionate about EMF activism,
it's not so difficult to start your own discussion group.
However, the year-in/year-out maintenance of keeping
everyone civil and on-topic can potentially be
significant...

Marc