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Hi, Sean, Lizzie, Cab, and All,

I agree with both sides here.  Sean, you are right; it has to be true that our bodily weaknesses play into this; if not, nobody would be getting better, no matter what they did.  And we know that some of us do get better; much better.  But as Lizzie has mentioned, emfs affect the well bodied in the form of extra stresses which weaken various organs.  The degree to which these well bodies can handle that extra stress, depends much on exactly how well they are nourished and up to the task of handling these stresses (and I personally think nobody will be able to handle the extra stress of the planned full onslaught of frequencies coming down the pike, if the powers that be are allowed to go full steam ahead).  Right now it is a juggling act; with time, many balls are likely going to start falling out of the air, figuratively speaking.  Emf avoidance will always have a part in staying healthy.  Yes, some who are better will be able to return to work
 and live a more normal life; but I doubt they will be able to return to fully wireless homes. 


Diane



________________________________
 From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Is Cured Being Safe?
 

Hi Sean,
Those who aren't showing outward signs of damage- or effects from wireless radiation only means they don't have an early warning system; or more realistically- have not yet connected the dots that connect their "other" health issues to wireless radiation effects. Look around you and count how many people you can find who have NO health issues period. That includes: allergies, diabetes, weight problems, arthritis, sinus head-aches, poor memory, acne, (YES, acne), vision problems, needs to wear glasses, and include here the sheer numbers of people you see wearing sun glasses (photo sensitivity). These all sound like pretty innocent things, don't they? Yet they are widespread, commonly accepted as normal, but in reality, they are signs of something not being right in the body. A person can look healthy on the outside, be under the age of 30, and have a poor short term memory. People joke about attention deficit disorder, they joke that so and so would
 forget their head if it wasn't attached. We have become so used to this we think its normal. On a weekly basis, how many of us spend time correcting someone else's mistake, because they forgot to do their job, or they forgot something changed, or they were distracted, or it was a computer error? The list is endless. And it is not rare at all these days.
A person can work out 4 times a week, and have severe acne. A person can look "normal" in many aspects, but not be able to tolerate even low level medium lighting, or low level sunshine; my point here is that
there are many signs and indicators that our society is a product of the 30 years plus of exposure to damaging wireless technologies.
Below is an interview with Barrie Trower, who is an expert on microwave radiation. According to Trower, "there is NO evidence that this technology IS safe, period. There are, over 8 thousand studies that show micro wave radiation does damage the body."  The only difference between someone with a healthier immune system and those with a weaker immune system, with regards to wireless micro wave radiation, is that the stronger may appear to be asymptommatic- no outward symptoms. Which is actually more dangerous, because the person doesn't know they are being damaged. This is where the early warning system is actually a blessing in disguise.  IF we could visibly and easily see what is happening to the body, on a cellular level with micro wave radiation exposure, then there'd be no scientific debate because the evidence would be so loud, so strong, the only question would be, "how much damage."
Lizzie

www.mastsanity.org/health/research/298-wi-fi-open-letter-to-swindon-advertiser-by-barrie-trower.html
Wi-Fi - Open Letter to Swindon Advertiser by Barrie Trower


To Whom It May Concern
I write in comment to the article in Swindon Evening Advertiser 16/02/2011 which was bought to my attention entitled ‘WiFi worry is Unfounded says Council’.
I gave a presentation in Swindon last October 2010 at the Pilgrim Centre ‘Know the Dangers .. Hear the Truth ‘ which was organised by Liz Brackenbury and attended by members of the public along with local councillors, representatives from Talk Swindon Forum and an MP.
During the question and answer session a local councillor stated his intention to go ahead and use wifi in schools etc. When asked what the safe level of exposure to microwave irradiation for a child was he replied ‘ i don t know’
Hence the title of this article is untrue.
Wifi worry is Unfounded says council. In fact the councillor was correct in his comments that he does’ t know what the safe level of microwave irradiation is for a child because there is NO safe level of microwave irradiation for a child known anywhere in the world.
Another quote in the article is also untrue. ‘Both the WHO and the HPA say there is no convincing evidence .... of ill effects’ This statement was made by their spokesperson who has since left to ‘consult’ for the mobile phone industry.

In fact 80% of the Data held by the WHO does show damage from continuous low level microwave irradiation, the WHO told the EU Parliament it would not comment on such dangers to adults until 2015 and only started observing effects on children in 2009, which means the WHO will not comment on children until roughly 2024.
A document published in 1976 by the US Government addressed to all world governments warned that low level microwaves could cause neuropathological and physiological illness in adults and children, at current wifi levels.



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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:22:53 +0000
Subject: [eSens] Re: Is Cured Being Safe?


 





While I agree with most of what you are saying, that all people exposed to the radiation are experiencing adverse biological effects in some form, sensitive or not, I don't agree with what you seem to be saying that the more resistant are going to experience the same effects as the sensitive. If your body is experiencing the pain, dizziness, agitation, stress etc from EMF on a daily basis, then your immune system isn't working as well as the non-sensitive, so how can they experience damage equal to the sensitive?

Some researchers have put forward that that the sensitivity of cells to EMFs varies with how out of balance they are, and especially the immune system cells. So, cells in a healty body, in homeostasis, won't experience as much as the adverse effects. E.g.:

" Cells in a metabolically stable state can counteract the weak initial cellular changes induced by EMFs so that no long-term biological changes occur. On the other hand, cells in a homeostatically unstable state, induced for instance by stress or disease, can be further brought out of balance, so that exposure to EMFs will lead to biologically relevant changes in the metabolic pathways."

See:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/e7302686214j1g14/fulltext.pdf

Or
"there is no substantial influence of low-intensity EHF EMR on a normally functioning cell, but if the functioning of the cell is disturbed, even weak external influences can change its metabolic profile. "

See:

http://www.salzburg.gv.at/en/2001_kositsky_et_al._-_ussr_review-2.pdf

While I disagree with the first piece that no adverse biological changes occur in healthy cells/people, it makes sense that that they are more resistant to adverse effects.

Sean.


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Good luck, Pam,

Just do due diligence to that notebook/ journal I mentioned.  Few do this, but this is how those of us who are disciplined keep our minds.  ;)


Bless you,
Diane


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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Number 2--Becoming Symptom-Free
 
Chuckle...
 
Hi Diane,
 
I am going to forward some of that wonderful protocol to whomever asks if you don't mind. Also, my head is spinning.  I give you all so much credit for being so disciplined.  I am a bit overwhelmed.  But I will print out everything and begin to make realistic choices as to what I can do immediately.  I am really looking at this clay soak idea and it keeps coming up so I will probably begin there. I think it was Eli who sent out the link regarding the magnetic clay baths and when I went to the site it also had info about pH, iodine and transdermal magnesium (a regular one stop shop).  I have so much work to do and I don't have insurance, but I also realize that much of the holistic diagnostics aren't covered anyway.
 
Thanks again.  Hopefully by the end of this year I can uncover some real results and report back to eSens.
 
Have a great week!
Pam
 


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To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
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LOL Pam, 

Bad formatting can make for some funny ideas.  I especially like that the first thing one is to do to prepare for detox is to "Quit eating"!  lol

Diane

________________________________
From: Evie <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Number 2--Becoming Symptom-Free

 Hi, Pam,

This is the other email I promised.  Most of it was written to me on a handout from my homeopath:

 
Preparing
Oneself for Detoxing:
 
Ahead of
time:
Quit eating
overly-processed foods and foods w chemical additives, sugar, refined carbs,
and glutens, in them.  Eat organic foods to avoid pesticides and other chemicals. 
No sodas, alcoholic beverages, recreational drugs, or cigarettes.  Limit
yeasts and even natural sugars in foods.
 
Limit coffee
and tea (except herbal, sugarfree types) to one cup in the morning, only. 
Use no more caffeine than this and avoid other stimulants.
 
Maximize the
quality and quantity of your drinking water and begin a good multiple
vitamin/mineral supplement regimen.
 
Get ample
sleep +/or rest.
 
Begin
unplugging all appliances (which can be unplugged) when not in use.  Also
get in the habit of using rubber gloves to plug in and turn on all
electrics.  Also do this when changing light bulbs, etc. (Many of these are good ideas to do all the time for people who are still struggling with ES).

 
Move to the
safest area you can find to sleep—not above, below, or next to rooms with tvs,
wireless, computers, or other electronics.  Otherwise, turn off circuits
to those rooms while sleeping.  Do not have wireless devices, TVs, or
anything which can transmit frequencies while plugged in or unplugged near your
bedroom.
 
Pull your
bed away from the walls by 1 or 2 feet (and hopefully, you already have a
non metal bed and mattress without springs) or otherwise turn off
circuits to the room at night when you are sleeping.  Keep only a battery
alarm clock and battery candles to see by in your bedroom.
 
Also avoid
sleeping above metal pipes and incoming water or gas lines, if those have the
potential to have electrical current running on them.
 
 
During
detoxing:
Continue the
previous list.
 
Avoid
electromagnetic fields: while detoxing stay out of areas high in emfs.  Do
not drive or visit others.
 
Do not talk
on phones—use only a speakerphone and limit calls to a couple minutes while
detoxing.
 
Temporarily
quit using magnets.
 
Do not have
dental work of any kind done if you have mercury and amalgam fillings while doing
detoxing. (unless amalgam removal and detoxing mercury and silver is what you
are preparing for.)    
 
Begin use of
glandulars to support the organs, such as thymus and adrenal glandular. 
Use supplemental support for the kidneys, liver, and adrenals, if glandulars
are not preferred.
 
If you are
within 15-25 minutes of a large park, forest, or natural water source, spend as
much time in nature there, where emfs are low.  “Ground” yourself when
possible in such places.  [By "ground" yourself, I mean sit
directly on the ground wearing all natural clothing or walk barefoot or with
naturally conductive shoes or socks.]
 
Some other
great advice on preparing for detox comes from Andrew on the ESens forum:
 
>> I think a prudent way to go forward is do a month or two
of and seas salts, or baking soda--to help prepare the body to detox thru the
skin.]
>> Do a colon cleanse and other light clearings to get the
>> surface level
>> junk out of the system.
 
He also
suggests reading the detox protocols of Dr. Klinghardt and Dr. Mercola at:
 
http://www.biopureu
s.com/store. html
 
http://www.selfheal th.co.uk/ Cleansing- Detox-according-
to-Dr-Dietrich- Klinghardt- MD-PhD.html

 http://74.125. 47.132/search? q=cache:Cqjdl4C0 xGAJ:www.
klinghardtneurob iology.com/ KlinghardtAutism 2008Derksen. pdf+klinghardt+
mercury+detox+ OSR+protocol& cd=9&hl=en& ct=clnk&gl=
us&client= firefox-a
> Notes – DK
2008 Autism Conference Deitrich Klinghardt,
Good luck,
Diane

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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free

Thanks Diane!
Pam

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Sorry, Marc!

I wroteL

> I don’t think Marc ever used pH strips to measure his pH, tho.<


You wrote:
"Sure I have!"  

I answer:

I asked you about this about 6 months ago.  lol  I obviously don't remember much, do I?  ;)  I remember asking if you used the Mega-H specifically for raising your pH.  I do not remember your reply!  Anyway, hopefully I will remember from now on that you *did* specifically try to raise your pH to normal, since I mention your using Mega-H quite often.  ;D

As to your question about reading pH strips.....  Yes, they are hard to read.  And some brands are easier than others to read; I got free ones with my alkaline water booster (2 types for reading the water and my urine/ saliva)--they were much easier to read than the drugstore brand.  The pH water strips are much, much easier to read, in particular, and I would rely on getting my water to a good pH using those, at first, knowing this would boost my urine/ saliva pH up closer to the number I was looking for.  I could, over time, tho, read the strips much better (due to practice and comparing with a blood test), but I only consider the blood pH test truly accurate.  However, I could always get much more accurate than what you mentioned in your post. (no difference between 6.5 and 7.5, I think you wrote.)  I could get within 7.1 or 7.2 and 7.4, for example, even with the hard to read strips.  Maybe you have problems with seeing color saturation due to
 an eye problem???  Just a thought.


Diane


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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
 
> I don’t think Marc ever used pH strips to measure his pH, tho.

Sure I have! 

I remember the days when my saliva pH was around 5.0 (which is
way too low).  Last time I checked it (maybe a year ago), it
was more like 6.5.

... the only problem with pH paper is that the colors I see
on the paper rarely match any color on the "key".

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I agree, Marc.  Plus many of these symptoms that people develop from any of those listed are very similar.  Yet, I do believe that sometimes the sufferer is capable of a high level of intuition regarding what may have caused the illness. 
 
Pam

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Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Is Cured Being Safe?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2012, 2:49 PM



 



> there are many signs and indicators that our society is a product
> of the 30 years plus of exposure to damaging wireless technologies.

Not sure where you've established any cause and effect -- you
really can't say for sure how much EMF is a factor in common
illnesses.

I see this all the time in the health articles. People blame society's
health problems on whatever they like:

-- junk food
-- vaccines
-- EMF
-- parasites
-- antibiotics
-- prescription drugs
-- chemtrails
-- lyme

So we really can't blame everything on EMF -- or if we do, we shouldn't
be taken too seriously... :-)

Marc








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Thanks again, Diane.

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Good luck, Pam,

Just do due diligence to that notebook/ journal I mentioned.  Few do this, but this is how those of us who are disciplined keep our minds.  ;)

Bless you,
Diane

________________________________
From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Number 2--Becoming Symptom-Free

Chuckle...
 
Hi Diane,
 
I am going to forward some of that wonderful protocol to whomever asks if you don't mind. Also, my head is spinning.  I give you all so much credit for being so disciplined.  I am a bit overwhelmed.  But I will print out everything and begin to make realistic choices as to what I can do immediately.  I am really looking at this clay soak idea and it keeps coming up so I will probably begin there. I think it was Eli who sent out the link regarding the magnetic clay baths and when I went to the site it also had info about pH, iodine and transdermal magnesium (a regular one stop shop).  I have so much work to do and I don't have insurance, but I also realize that much of the holistic diagnostics aren't covered anyway.
 
Thanks again.  Hopefully by the end of this year I can uncover some real results and report back to eSens.
 
Have a great week!
Pam
 

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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Number 2--Becoming Symptom-Free
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Sunday, March 4, 2012, 2:17 PM

 

LOL Pam, 

Bad formatting can make for some funny ideas.  I especially like that the first thing one is to do to prepare for detox is to "Quit eating"!  lol

Diane

________________________________
From: Evie <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Number 2--Becoming Symptom-Free

 Hi, Pam,

This is the other email I promised.  Most of it was written to me on a handout from my homeopath:

 
Preparing
Oneself for Detoxing:
 
Ahead of
time:
Quit eating
overly-processed foods and foods w chemical additives, sugar, refined carbs,
and glutens, in them.  Eat organic foods to avoid pesticides and other chemicals. 
No sodas, alcoholic beverages, recreational drugs, or cigarettes.  Limit
yeasts and even natural sugars in foods.
 
Limit coffee
and tea (except herbal, sugarfree types) to one cup in the morning, only. 
Use no more caffeine than this and avoid other stimulants.
 
Maximize the
quality and quantity of your drinking water and begin a good multiple
vitamin/mineral supplement regimen.
 
Get ample
sleep +/or rest.
 
Begin
unplugging all appliances (which can be unplugged) when not in use.  Also
get in the habit of using rubber gloves to plug in and turn on all
electrics.  Also do this when changing light bulbs, etc. (Many of these are good ideas to do all the time for people who are still struggling with ES).

 
Move to the
safest area you can find to sleep—not above, below, or next to rooms with tvs,
wireless, computers, or other electronics.  Otherwise, turn off circuits
to those rooms while sleeping.  Do not have wireless devices, TVs, or
anything which can transmit frequencies while plugged in or unplugged near your
bedroom.
 
Pull your
bed away from the walls by 1 or 2 feet (and hopefully, you already have a
non metal bed and mattress without springs) or otherwise turn off
circuits to the room at night when you are sleeping.  Keep only a battery
alarm clock and battery candles to see by in your bedroom.
 
Also avoid
sleeping above metal pipes and incoming water or gas lines, if those have the
potential to have electrical current running on them.
 
 
During
detoxing:
Continue the
previous list.
 
Avoid
electromagnetic fields: while detoxing stay out of areas high in emfs.  Do
not drive or visit others.
 
Do not talk
on phones—use only a speakerphone and limit calls to a couple minutes while
detoxing.
 
Temporarily
quit using magnets.
 
Do not have
dental work of any kind done if you have mercury and amalgam fillings while doing
detoxing. (unless amalgam removal and detoxing mercury and silver is what you
are preparing for.)    
 
Begin use of
glandulars to support the organs, such as thymus and adrenal glandular. 
Use supplemental support for the kidneys, liver, and adrenals, if glandulars
are not preferred.
 
If you are
within 15-25 minutes of a large park, forest, or natural water source, spend as
much time in nature there, where emfs are low.  “Ground” yourself when
possible in such places.  [By "ground" yourself, I mean sit
directly on the ground wearing all natural clothing or walk barefoot or with
naturally conductive shoes or socks.]
 
Some other
great advice on preparing for detox comes from Andrew on the ESens forum:
 
>> I think a prudent way to go forward is do a month or two
of and seas salts, or baking soda--to help prepare the body to detox thru the
skin.]
>> Do a colon cleanse and other light clearings to get the
>> surface level
>> junk out of the system.
 
He also
suggests reading the detox protocols of Dr. Klinghardt and Dr. Mercola at:
 
http://www.biopureu
s.com/store. html
 
http://www.selfheal th.co.uk/ Cleansing- Detox-according-
to-Dr-Dietrich- Klinghardt- MD-PhD.html

 http://74.125. 47.132/search? q=cache:Cqjdl4C0 xGAJ:www.
klinghardtneurob iology.com/ KlinghardtAutism 2008Derksen. pdf+klinghardt+
mercury+detox+ OSR+protocol& cd=9&hl=en& ct=clnk&gl=
us&client= firefox-a
> Notes – DK
2008 Autism Conference Deitrich Klinghardt,
Good luck,
Diane

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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free

Thanks Diane!
Pam

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> I could get within 7.1 or 7.2 and 7.4, for example, even with the hard to read strips. 
> Maybe you have problems with seeing color saturation due to
> an eye problem??? 

Maybe... I have the phIon brand strips, and with my eyes, everything from pH 5.0 to
7.0 is just a slightly different shade of pink!  It'd be nice if there were some strips
which produced obviously different colors between 5 and 7.

Marc

Yea, it's the standard line and in some cases, the Industry line. There's so many poisons and toxins in our world,
its hard to say exactly what caused what. However, when you understand the mechanism
behind wireless radiation, that it does open the Blood Brain Barrier, which allows toxins (be they: heavy metals, aluminum, \
mercury/ ect, or be they MICRO TOXINS/ viruses/ parasites....or BE they chemicals like petroleum, or chemicals from plastics,
or MOLDS or PESTICIDES from food/ or GMO"and their crony cousin of genetically modified organisms- that  wouldn't NORMALLY
get INTO the brain,....you now have a vehicle/ a mechanism whereby this nasty stuff gets INTO the blood brain barrier. **One must
also take into account that the amounts of these toxins are INCREASED many times over, because wireless radiation multiplies these.
Klinghardt states that if you put any: micro toxin/ect/mold/ect into the field of micro wave radiation or emfs, these toxins are multiplied
600 times!
Without the vehicle/mechanism for these toxins to get INTO the brain, and be multiplied, the amts would be much smaller, and the brain's
number ONE defense mechanism, the blood brain barrier, wouldn't be compromised. This is why that Dr. in Italy believes that ES and
Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, are two sides of the same coin. The injury to the blood brain barrier, opens the door to Multiple Chemical
Injury! And when you look at this from this point of view, it all starts to make very reasonable sense. Pre cell phone era, lots of people were
exposed to pesticides, chemicals, ect....but the rates of diseases back then were NO where near as high as today. The common denomimator
is wireless radiation. And though dirty electricity did and does a play a role in the rates of increase, what we are seeing today is proof enough
for me that the straw that broke the camel's back, is the wireless micro wave radiation.  
Lizzie

 



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From: [hidden email]
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 13:13:25 -0800
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I agree, Marc.  Plus many of these symptoms that people develop from any of those listed are very similar.  Yet, I do believe that sometimes the sufferer is capable of a high level of intuition regarding what may have caused the illness.  
 
Pam

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Is Cured Being Safe?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2012, 2:49 PM

 

> there are many signs and indicators that our society is a product
> of the 30 years plus of exposure to damaging wireless technologies.

Not sure where you've established any cause and effect -- you
really can't say for sure how much EMF is a factor in common
illnesses.

I see this all the time in the health articles. People blame society's
health problems on whatever they like:

-- junk food
-- vaccines
-- EMF
-- parasites
-- antibiotics
-- prescription drugs
-- chemtrails
-- lyme

So we really can't blame everything on EMF -- or if we do, we shouldn't
be taken too seriously... :-)

Marc

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Hi,
 
I also want to state again that I believe there is probably more of a relationship to imbalanced intestinal flora and the effects of microwaves on single cell organisms as you have mentioned. Also it may be more related to histamine production which is another nasty little benefit of microwave radiation.  I hear people at work talk about how much worse their allergies seem to be nowadays.
 
Yet, I still do not necessarily believe that it's solely a matter of how bad in shape one's immunity is.  Case in point, I work in a hospital.  There are hundreds of sick people and I see most of them have cell phones and/or laptops (yes we are a "hotspot").  I am going to take a long shot and assume that people with major life threatening illnesses have lowered immunity.
 
I'm talking about cancer, COPD, heart conditions, strokes, seizures, etc.  But this much I have realized, they don't feel microwave radiation, I do.  I know someone recently diagnosed with ALS and has lost his ability to walk and talk at times...but I believe that he is still hugged up with his laptop and probably still wearing his "bluetooth."
 
Those of us with this condition have predisposed ourselves either mentally (Louise Hay states that every illness has a metaphysical cause (mindset)) or physically.  I just wish I knew what the thought process leading to this condition is.
 
Also, we must keep in mind that many people are ES from very young ages.  I think that it would be a mistake to assume that we all came down with it from the same causes.  Some of us have special abilities: clairsentience, empaths, healers, what they called "highly sensitive" nervous systems.  In the past, these gifts were born to spiritual advisers or the like.  Remember that only about 25-30% of the population is deemed "highly sensitive."  Is it any coincidence that this is also the approximate number of people they say that are ES?  75% of the population is not fine tuned or "highly sensitive."  Does this sound logical that perhaps what is a "gift" to us may have been turned against us?
 
Is the world moving into a direction of thinkers or is the greater society more and more forcing people to think the same-- just a consideration.
 
I am also almost willing to bet that every person with mercury fillings is not suffering from EHS.  My point is that immunity may play a role, but how big a role-- no one really knows.  We can say that some are predisposed to suffer from this condition and some are not. Whether microwaves are good for people or whether they will be negatively affected, only time may tell.  Unless they find a specific gene that predisposes ESers than we really won't have absolute proof of cause-- only time may tell.
 
In the long run our sensitivity may still save us fom some of the "really" bad illnesses that people are succumbing to everyday, younger and younger.  We get to sit back and watch the games unfolding.
 
Peace,
Pam

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Is Cured Being Safe?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2012, 5:05 PM



 




Yea, it's the standard line and in some cases, the Industry line. There's so many poisons and toxins in our world,
its hard to say exactly what caused what. However, when you understand the mechanism
behind wireless radiation, that it does open the Blood Brain Barrier, which allows toxins (be they: heavy metals, aluminum, \
mercury/ ect, or be they MICRO TOXINS/ viruses/ parasites....or BE they chemicals like petroleum, or chemicals from plastics,
or MOLDS or PESTICIDES from food/ or GMO"and their crony cousin of genetically modified organisms- that wouldn't NORMALLY
get INTO the brain,....you now have a vehicle/ a mechanism whereby this nasty stuff gets INTO the blood brain barrier. **One must
also take into account that the amounts of these toxins are INCREASED many times over, because wireless radiation multiplies these.
Klinghardt states that if you put any: micro toxin/ect/mold/ect into the field of micro wave radiation or emfs, these toxins are multiplied
600 times!
Without the vehicle/mechanism for these toxins to get INTO the brain, and be multiplied, the amts would be much smaller, and the brain's
number ONE defense mechanism, the blood brain barrier, wouldn't be compromised. This is why that Dr. in Italy believes that ES and
Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, are two sides of the same coin. The injury to the blood brain barrier, opens the door to Multiple Chemical
Injury! And when you look at this from this point of view, it all starts to make very reasonable sense. Pre cell phone era, lots of people were
exposed to pesticides, chemicals, ect....but the rates of diseases back then were NO where near as high as today. The common denomimator
is wireless radiation. And though dirty electricity did and does a play a role in the rates of increase, what we are seeing today is proof enough
for me that the straw that broke the camel's back, is the wireless micro wave radiation.
Lizzie

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 13:13:25 -0800
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Is Cured Being Safe?

I agree, Marc. Plus many of these symptoms that people develop from any of those listed are very similar. Yet, I do believe that sometimes the sufferer is capable of a high level of intuition regarding what may have caused the illness.

Pam

--- On Tue, 3/6/12, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Is Cured Being Safe?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2012, 2:49 PM

> there are many signs and indicators that our society is a product
> of the 30 years plus of exposure to damaging wireless technologies.

Not sure where you've established any cause and effect -- you
really can't say for sure how much EMF is a factor in common
illnesses.

I see this all the time in the health articles. People blame society's
health problems on whatever they like:

-- junk food
-- vaccines
-- EMF
-- parasites
-- antibiotics
-- prescription drugs
-- chemtrails
-- lyme

So we really can't blame everything on EMF -- or if we do, we shouldn't
be taken too seriously... :-)

Marc

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Hi to all,

I agree with most of what has been said in the response posts, that ultimately everybody gaining enough exposure will face some adverse effects, but I don't agree with the statement that those with a healthier body/immune system would face the same level of risk. I don't believe that they are experiencing the same effects as electrosensitive, only that we are getting the warning signals that something is wrong, and they aren't. Their systems put up a stronger resistance, but like I said previously, in the long term their defences may be penetrated or weakened also. We are experiencing added effects that they aren't: the pain, agitation, stress, eyesight problems, rhythm interference, etc, that in and of themselves could cause serious consequences if experienced daily on a long-term basis. Non-sensitive, healthy people will not be experiencing these effects, but they may still be facing adverse effects such as oxidative stress, excess free radical formation, central nervous system effects, eyesight effects, etc. But their stronger systems will put up a stronger defence, and their cells are more in balance, so they will take longer to be effected. Obviously other factors such as length of exposure will play a role also. But like the review of Russian/Soviet research said, taken from the conclusion(some of which is shown below): " 6) Manifestation of the effects of EMF depends on conditions of health and age: healthy adults have minimal sensitivity; embryos, children, elderly persons, and those with hidden psychological or physical disorders experience significant effects, all the way to lethal outcomes."

Like Pam mentioned previously, in modern society fully healthy people are becoming thinner on the ground given our toxic, stress filled lives. And anyway, if these people live long enough, their cells will decline as they grow old, so given enough exposure they face adverse effects at some stage.
So, to get back to Cab's question:
***Do Electorsensitivity symptoms indicate that the individual experiencing the symptoms is sustaining more damage from EMF exposure than someone who is not experiencing any symptoms?***  

Obviously exposure and other factors come into the equation, but the sensitive are far more exposed to sustaining damage than healthy people in my opinion. Why? Because they are unhealthy and sensitive.



Here's some parts of the conclusion from the review of Soviet research, which focused mostly on certain parts of the Microwave frequency range, termed High Frequency-ElectromagRad(HF-EMR),  mostly the 30 to 300 GHz range, often modulated at lower frequency. They advise that people with heightened sensitivity should not be allowed to work in activites with exposure to microwave radiation.


"12. Conclusions
The following means of action of HF EMR at non-thermal intensities on biological systems are possible:
1) Frequencies of 109 to 1012 Hz are similar to the frequencies of oscillation of protein molecules, DNA and RNA; of membranes and other parts of cells; and of conformational transitions in enzymes, which creates the possibility of resonant absorption of HF EMR.

2) The organism as a whole may have its own resonant frequencies: from living cells to human beings [Sit'ko and Yanenko].

3) EHF fields, modulated at low frequencies close to the rhythms of the brain, heart and internal organs, have a strengthening action. Modulation at infra-frequencies in the range of 5-16 Hz exerts a strongly negative effect on humans and animals.

4) Absorption of EMF in biologically active points is many times more effective than in other parts of the skin, and this energy influences the internal organs and the body as a whole through the system of Chinese meridians.

5) At the moment of cellular division, genetic information becomes "open," chromosomes become immobile and far more susceptible to the influence of HF EMR. An external resonance field may induce expression of genes connected with cancer and change the program of cellular development.

6) Manifestation of the effects of EMF depends on conditions of health and age: healthy adults have minimal sensitivity; embryos, children, elderly persons, and those with hidden psychological or physical disorders experience significant effects, all the way to lethal outcomes.

7) Combination with other deleterious factors: ionizing radiation, toxic substances, geomagnetic anomalies and stress significantly increase the effects of HF EMR.

8) Accumulated discord in the work of cells during chronic and quasiperiodic irradiation leads to confused biorhythms, scattered attention, indistinct phases of sleep and arousal; the body is not in a condition to make a recovery.

9) The effects of HF EMR occur through the hormonal system and immune system with amplification and accumulation of effects; and through catalysts of cellular respiration and biosynthesis. These reactions are non-specific, and it is often difficult to connect them with the fact of irradiation by EMF at non-thermal intensities.

10) Occurrence of a narcotic-type dependency (by stimulating production of endorphins) is possible under regular irradiation with HF EMR.

Much research in the field of biological effects of EMF makes it possible to define the most sensitive systems in the human body: nervous, immune, endocrine and reproductive. These systems of the body are critical.
... Higher nervous activities, including memory, change in people having contact with EMF. These persons may have a tendency to develop stress reactions. Certain structures of the brain have heightened sensitivity to EMF. Changes in the permeability of the blood-brain barrier may lead to unexpected, unfavorable effects. Especially high sensitivity to EMF is displayed in the embryonic nervous system.


...People who are constantly subject to exposure to HF EMR in connection with professional activities must be examined regularly. People with heightened sensitivity should not be allowed to do these activities, or at least should be aware that such activities are contraindicated.

As research has shown, super-low power HF EMR is highly effective in its action on humans. It does not appear possible to lower the allowable norms to such a level."



In previous sections they also mention that:
"The body "remembers" the effect of EMR for a relatively
long time.
...In some cases, EMR influences sensitivity to other
factors (chemicals, ionizing radiation, etc.), and the effects
may persist through time."

From:

http://www.salzburg.gv.at/en/2001_kositsky_et_al._-_ussr_review-2.pdf





--- In [hidden email], pamela clemonts <adiaha22@...> wrote:

> Anyway, hopefully I will remember from now on that you *did* specifically
> try to raise your pH to normal, since I mention your using Mega-H quite often. 

Note that over the years, this supplement has gone through various formula
changes and also name changes.  Right now what I'm using is called
"Megahydrate":

  http://www.phisciences.com/store/home.php?cat=251

But I used to take previous incarnations that were called "H-Minus",
"Mega-H", and "Microhydrin".

I don't take this very much any more, as I find it contributes to abdominal
bloating (too alkaline!).  However, in the early days when I was essentially
bedridden, this was one of my essential supplements.

Marc

Hi Sean & eSens,
 
Thank you so much for this data.  Again, how many people are truly healthy today?  I know many who suffer from chronic pain, migraines, indigestion, recurrent infections, survived cancer ( or have died from it), have onset seizure disorder, asthma, MS, ALS, MCS and DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT suffer from EHS.  Sure, I can assume that I may become deathly ill as a result. Death has even been predicted by at least one expert, if the condition is not corrected.  Still, I know people who have recently suffered and died from "real" life endangering illnesses (within the four years since I became EHS)-- who NOT ONCE have felt other people's cell phones or WIFI as I have. 
 
I do not claim to be less healthy than the average person who does not feel the radiation as I do.  I still heal from conditions, but the constant "feeling" of irradiation makes life very challenging in these times. 
 
I cannot assume that it is solely my lack of minerals, nutrition, toxicity, infections, lack of rest, stress, etc.  Because there are truly, truly ill people out here who ARE NOT EHS.  There are those who suffer from insomnia, who drink loads of alcohol,  and smoke cigarettes. I witness them everyday.  So, I will not accept the claim that WE are less healthy than the majority.  If anything, I believe that our bodies are more fine tuned and therefore more precise.  We require more intrincate care, like fine instruments.  SENSITIVE IS MERELY BEING MORE AWARE!  And yes, societies have tried to cast a dim light on the gift of sensitivity throughout the ages.  I believe because it's easier to attack that which one does not understand.  Ignorance is bliss?
 
What I state, again, is that for some perhaps unknown reason, we are more suseptible or predisposed to develop the ability to feel microwaves or "dirty electricity."  I realize that even among us are different varieties of the disorder.  Some are more effected by certain frequencies or certain types of fields.
 
I still perceive this condition as a blessing in disguise.  This will mean different things to different people, but may be a part of the collective consciousness pushing forward this awareness for a reason to be actualised at a future point in time.  Stay tuned.
 
Blessings,
Pam

--- On Thu, 3/8/12, seandaly33 <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: seandaly33 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Is Cured Being Safe?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, March 8, 2012, 9:15 AM



 





Hi to all,

I agree with most of what has been said in the response posts, that ultimately everybody gaining enough exposure will face some adverse effects, but I don't agree with the statement that those with a healthier body/immune system would face the same level of risk. I don't believe that they are experiencing the same effects as electrosensitive, only that we are getting the warning signals that something is wrong, and they aren't. Their systems put up a stronger resistance, but like I said previously, in the long term their defences may be penetrated or weakened also. We are experiencing added effects that they aren't: the pain, agitation, stress, eyesight problems, rhythm interference, etc, that in and of themselves could cause serious consequences if experienced daily on a long-term basis. Non-sensitive, healthy people will not be experiencing these effects, but they may still be facing adverse effects such as oxidative stress, excess free radical
 formation, central nervous system effects, eyesight effects, etc. But their stronger systems will put up a stronger defence, and their cells are more in balance, so they will take longer to be effected. Obviously other factors such as length of exposure will play a role also. But like the review of Russian/Soviet research said, taken from the conclusion(some of which is shown below): " 6) Manifestation of the effects of EMF depends on conditions of health and age: healthy adults have minimal sensitivity; embryos, children, elderly persons, and those with hidden psychological or physical disorders experience significant effects, all the way to lethal outcomes."

Like Pam mentioned previously, in modern society fully healthy people are becoming thinner on the ground given our toxic, stress filled lives. And anyway, if these people live long enough, their cells will decline as they grow old, so given enough exposure they face adverse effects at some stage.
So, to get back to Cab's question:
***Do Electorsensitivity symptoms indicate that the individual experiencing the symptoms is sustaining more damage from EMF exposure than someone who is not experiencing any symptoms?***

Obviously exposure and other factors come into the equation, but the sensitive are far more exposed to sustaining damage than healthy people in my opinion. Why? Because they are unhealthy and sensitive.

Here's some parts of the conclusion from the review of Soviet research, which focused mostly on certain parts of the Microwave frequency range, termed High Frequency-ElectromagRad(HF-EMR), mostly the 30 to 300 GHz range, often modulated at lower frequency. They advise that people with heightened sensitivity should not be allowed to work in activites with exposure to microwave radiation.

"12. Conclusions
The following means of action of HF EMR at non-thermal intensities on biological systems are possible:
1) Frequencies of 109 to 1012 Hz are similar to the frequencies of oscillation of protein molecules, DNA and RNA; of membranes and other parts of cells; and of conformational transitions in enzymes, which creates the possibility of resonant absorption of HF EMR.

2) The organism as a whole may have its own resonant frequencies: from living cells to human beings [Sit'ko and Yanenko].

3) EHF fields, modulated at low frequencies close to the rhythms of the brain, heart and internal organs, have a strengthening action. Modulation at infra-frequencies in the range of 5-16 Hz exerts a strongly negative effect on humans and animals.

4) Absorption of EMF in biologically active points is many times more effective than in other parts of the skin, and this energy influences the internal organs and the body as a whole through the system of Chinese meridians.

5) At the moment of cellular division, genetic information becomes "open," chromosomes become immobile and far more susceptible to the influence of HF EMR. An external resonance field may induce expression of genes connected with cancer and change the program of cellular development.

6) Manifestation of the effects of EMF depends on conditions of health and age: healthy adults have minimal sensitivity; embryos, children, elderly persons, and those with hidden psychological or physical disorders experience significant effects, all the way to lethal outcomes.

7) Combination with other deleterious factors: ionizing radiation, toxic substances, geomagnetic anomalies and stress significantly increase the effects of HF EMR.

8) Accumulated discord in the work of cells during chronic and quasiperiodic irradiation leads to confused biorhythms, scattered attention, indistinct phases of sleep and arousal; the body is not in a condition to make a recovery.

9) The effects of HF EMR occur through the hormonal system and immune system with amplification and accumulation of effects; and through catalysts of cellular respiration and biosynthesis. These reactions are non-specific, and it is often difficult to connect them with the fact of irradiation by EMF at non-thermal intensities.

10) Occurrence of a narcotic-type dependency (by stimulating production of endorphins) is possible under regular irradiation with HF EMR.

Much research in the field of biological effects of EMF makes it possible to define the most sensitive systems in the human body: nervous, immune, endocrine and reproductive. These systems of the body are critical.
... Higher nervous activities, including memory, change in people having contact with EMF. These persons may have a tendency to develop stress reactions. Certain structures of the brain have heightened sensitivity to EMF. Changes in the permeability of the blood-brain barrier may lead to unexpected, unfavorable effects. Especially high sensitivity to EMF is displayed in the embryonic nervous system.

...People who are constantly subject to exposure to HF EMR in connection with professional activities must be examined regularly. People with heightened sensitivity should not be allowed to do these activities, or at least should be aware that such activities are contraindicated.

As research has shown, super-low power HF EMR is highly effective in its action on humans. It does not appear possible to lower the allowable norms to such a level."

In previous sections they also mention that:
"The body "remembers" the effect of EMR for a relatively
long time.
...In some cases, EMR influences sensitivity to other
factors (chemicals, ionizing radiation, etc.), and the effects
may persist through time."

From:

http://www.salzburg.gv.at/en/2001_kositsky_et_al._-_ussr_review-2.pdf

--- In [hidden email], pamela clemonts <adiaha22@...> wrote:







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I used to take Mega-H (was Microhydrin) regularly too when I was detoxing mercury while removing amalgams. Not sure how it worked, but I certainly recovered dramatically from chronic fatigue then.

Marc Martin wrote thus at 03:49 09/03/2012: