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Thanks Diane for bringing me current.  I realized a few emails ago that Marc was the founder of eSens which explains his constant involvement and concern.  It is so encouraging to hear from where you have come and I hope I can use that to improve my own circumstances.  Hearing what's coming down can be overwhelming especially when they talk about frequencies that can go through metal.  My foil shielding and my LessEMF silver fabric have made all the difference.  I haven't been able to afford to move more than the 9 times I've moved already over the past 4.5 years.
 
It was even more encouraging to hear you state that with all of the stress caring for your folks puts you under and the neglect of diet that follows, you are still able to get back to your well-being in with about 10-14 days of focus.  I hope that in the future I can find those "true" diagnoses and fixes that will enable me to feel confident even down the unknown road ahead.
 
Have a great weekend!
Pam

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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quiet Zones
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 3:14 PM



 



Hi, Pam,

I have gone from nearly completely bed-bound for 13 years (could get out of bed about a total of 1hour cumulatively/ day to go to bathroom, etc) to completely normal energy-wise.  (In fact, some might argue I have more energy than a normal person of 60 yo.)  Do I still react to emfs?  Yes, but they do not render me completely brain-challenged, etc, any more. 

I do not react to as many emfs, as well, now, either.  Many places I used to be unable to go to, I now can go to without any symptoms.  My body still accumulates emfs, so, overtime, if I am not taking any supplements or grounding myself, I will degenerate to a place where I am more reactive (but still not as bad as previously).  But, I also can get this in check within days now, instead of succumbing to many weeks/ months of increased illness.  Detoxing is still important for me.  I need to spend a period of time every year or 2 detoxing, in order to keep my immune system working well.  Same with pH.  I need to tweak my body when it goes too far into the danger zone in order to get back to a healthy place.  This is easily accomplished within a few days to 2 weeks now. 

I have been having to hang out almost constantly in doc offices and hospitals for the past 6 months (I care for my ill parents).  Many weeks I have done nothing but run back and forth to the hospital/ docs for 3 weeks to a month at a time (my dad has alzheimers and needs constant supervision to keep him from pulling his catheter and IVs out).  I feel stretched and stressed to the max.  During this time my health gets worse partially because I have no time for myself or for making good-for-me foods; it is difficult for me to eat safely anywhere because I am celiac and require a completely gluten-free diet.  Often the only food choice I have had was to buy a peanut butter cup!  I have been living on a diet of almost constant pb cups lately.  I often run out of supplements and have no time to send for them, etc.  So, what I am saying is, I can go about a month without even taking my supplements or caring at all for my health and still get back on
track within 10 to 14 days.  And yes, I am worse for wear and ES toward the end of that 3 to 5 weeks, but I am no where near as ill as I was even 3 years ago, especially from ES.

People often think those of us who have gotten better were not that bad to begin with.  Well, not the case for me!  And I had ES from early childhood. And I am not the only one here who is better.  There are those who have gotten better and left the forum.  And still others who are better, but come to the forum infrequently.  And they do not tell that they are better every time they come.  Only someone who has been here for years themselves would know.

So, this is why Marc often comments that it is more important to focus on your health needs than what is currently going on in the world of technology.  We have a long history, thanks to Marc, of doing that on this forum.  (And in case some do not already know, Marc is the originator and moderator of this forum.)

My 2 cents,
Diane

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From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quiet Zones

Hey Marc,
 
I'm really glad that you mentioned this because many people here have had their mercury fillings out and have chelated and taken oodles of supplements and use coherent devices, but can anyone here say that they are symptom free?  I have heard of some who claim to be better, like Camilla Rees, but I wanted to talk to someone here who has been "cured" of this so-called affliction.  I thank you for reminding me that I've wanted to ask this question for a while now.
 
I agree that danger comes in many forms, I would prefer not to feel the way I do, especially where I am living.  I think all that people want is to feel good and to feel safe regardless of the death that may be lurking around the corner.  What do you think?
 
Pam

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quiet Zones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 10:08 AM

 

> Do you believe that only people that feel the results of the damage of wireless electrosmog are being biologically damaged?
> Do you believe that if eating blueberries makes someone feel a bit better that they are no longer being damaged?
> Do you think that soothing the "canaries in the mine" will suddenly make the toxic environment okay?
> Do you believe that the wireless explosion should not be challenged or fought?

I'm sure that people are being damaged regardless, but the simple truth is
that many people do not notice anything when they are around wi-fi,
cellphones, computers, etc. And I think people here would also not like
to notice anything.

And some of damage that people are experiencing is not due solely to
EMF, but rather EMF plus some other factor. Like EMF plus heavy metals in
their body. So if they eliminate the heavy metals, the symptoms that they
used to associate with EMF are now gone (as is the damage from that
synergistic combination).

And sure, people can and should fight the wireless explosion, but that's
not really the point of this particular group (as noted in the group's
description).

Marc

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Thanks Diane!
Pam

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 3:47 PM



 



Hi again, Pam,

I am not wealthy, Pam.  Yes, it can be expensive, however, I have had limited funds and have done it.  It is especially easier now to succeed since more is known about how to recover.  I have studied the people who have recovered and what they did.  There is a pattern there.  I have written about it in the past; there are common denominators.  If I can find one of those long tomes I wrote on the subject, I will resend.  I don't have the time to rewrite it today. 

I can tell you right now, tho, one of the most important things you can do is almost free--improve your diet and digestion.  Many here have underlying digestive problems.  Many are gluten intolerant, some are casein intolerant.....  Learn how to feed yourself the best possible diet and nutrition.  You have to pay for food anyway, you may as well make it count. 

Another biggie is to find a way to detox which works for you.  I did detox many different ways thru-out the years.  The easiest way was thru homeopathy.  For less than $500, you can be done with it in a couple months, if you find the right homeopath (and you will need to be cautious and tell the homeopath to go very slow).  You may think $500 is a lot of cash.  Well, you couldn't have been ill much if you think that.  Treating heart burn alone used to run me more than $500 in a year's time.  This will work even better if you take the time to prepare your liver/ kidneys/ skin/ lymphatic system ahead of time for the onslaught of toxins your body will shed. 

You can also do footbaths, clay, etc. but those take a longer time.  Chelation thru IV is the fastest way to go;  the doc gives you DMSA to pull the toxins out and then puts your blood thru a filter via IV to remove the toxins, and then puts the blood back in your body via an IV loop.  I had this in the 1980s when I nearly died of liver disease.  It is expensive and dangerous--you can die from it, but back then I had no choice, I was dying anyway.  It works immediately.  You should have your amalgams removed first before doing any detox, if possible.  But guess what--I still have some of mine (long story) and it still worked.  

I could be called the million-dollar woman, because we had to spend lots thru the years to keep me alive.  However, what I have done to help ES has been a very small amount in comparison.  

Diane

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From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free

Marc,
 
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought that it was a protocol designed by Charles to help his wife and it was successful.  That's great!  It's sad that it costs nothing to come down with this nerve shattering condition, but requires wealth to be alleviated.  Also, Arthur Firstenberg has been with this condition for over thirty years, he's not on here because he's not on computers anywhere.  And I know many other people who are not on here, but are very active. 
 
I think it's nice to have this hub.  Gee, maybe people are shamed of our "outcast" status.  People who care make themselves available.  As do you and the members here.
 
Let's not forget that many people's conditions have progressed to full-blown illness-- seizures, strokes, heart problems, anxiety disorders...  At least I know what's bad for me.  Some people are completely clueless.  It's okay that everything's not for everyone.  It's always been that way.
 
Pam

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 1:50 PM

 

> I'm really glad that you mentioned this because many people here have
> had their mercury fillings out and have chelated and taken oodles of
> supplements and use coherent devices, but can anyone here say that
> they are symptom free? 

Certainly I have heard people reporting that they've becoming symptom
free after working on whatever predisposed them to becoming ES
(typically heavy metals). For example, Gillgan Joy, "Ed from the
Netherlands", Charles' wife.

However, these are the usually the sorts of people who then unsubscribe
from this group, because they no longer need the advice given here.
So the group tends to be full of the people who stay sick, because
they either cannot afford or are unwilling to do what's necessary to
get better, or they do not have insight/good luck to figure out what
exactly they need to do.

Marc

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Thanks Marc,
 
You ROCK!!!
 
Pam

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Activism
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, March 3, 2012, 7:13 PM



 



> Hey Marc,
> Did I understand that you are the founder of this group?

Yes, that's right... I had mostly recovered from my own
ES by the time I had started this group. I was annoyed
by the prevailing attitude on the Internet, which was
basically:

1) ES is a psychological problem
2) or, ES is a real physical problem, but there is nothing
you can do about it other than avoidance / shielding
3) all EMF protection devices are scams

Since the moderators on the existing EMF groups reinforced
(2) and (3), it seemed like there needed to be a new
discussion group that recognized that one can indeed
improve/recover from ES, and that some EMF protection
devices do indeed help some people. Thus, this group
was created.

But yes, if someone is passionate about EMF activism,
it's not so difficult to start your own discussion group.
However, the year-in/year-out maintenance of keeping
everyone civil and on-topic can potentially be
significant...

Marc







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Pam, can I ask how you use the silver fabric? I've been thinking of getting some.

Cheers

Ada



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 From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, 4 March 2012, 0:19
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quiet Zones
 

 
Thanks Diane for bringing me current.  I realized a few emails ago that Marc was the founder of eSens which explains his constant involvement and concern.  It is so encouraging to hear from where you have come and I hope I can use that to improve my own circumstances.  Hearing what's coming down can be overwhelming especially when they talk about frequencies that can go through metal.  My foil shielding and my LessEMF silver fabric have made all the difference.  I haven't been able to afford to move more than the 9 times I've moved already over the past 4.5 years.
 
It was even more encouraging to hear you state that with all of the stress caring for your folks puts you under and the neglect of diet that follows, you are still able to get back to your well-being in with about 10-14 days of focus.  I hope that in the future I can find those "true" diagnoses and fixes that will enable me to feel confident even down the unknown road ahead.
 
Have a great weekend!
Pam

--- On Fri, 3/2/12, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quiet Zones
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 3:14 PM

 

Hi, Pam,

I have gone from nearly completely bed-bound for 13 years (could get out of bed about a total of 1hour cumulatively/ day to go to bathroom, etc) to completely normal energy-wise.  (In fact, some might argue I have more energy than a normal person of 60 yo.)  Do I still react to emfs?  Yes, but they do not render me completely brain-challenged, etc, any more. 

I do not react to as many emfs, as well, now, either.  Many places I used to be unable to go to, I now can go to without any symptoms.  My body still accumulates emfs, so, overtime, if I am not taking any supplements or grounding myself, I will degenerate to a place where I am more reactive (but still not as bad as previously).  But, I also can get this in check within days now, instead of succumbing to many weeks/ months of increased illness.  Detoxing is still important for me.  I need to spend a period of time every year or 2 detoxing, in order to keep my immune system working well.  Same with pH.  I need to tweak my body when it goes too far into the danger zone in order to get back to a healthy place.  This is easily accomplished within a few days to 2 weeks now. 

I have been having to hang out almost constantly in doc offices and hospitals for the past 6 months (I care for my ill parents).  Many weeks I have done nothing but run back and forth to the hospital/ docs for 3 weeks to a month at a time (my dad has alzheimers and needs constant supervision to keep him from pulling his catheter and IVs out).  I feel stretched and stressed to the max.  During this time my health gets worse partially because I have no time for myself or for making good-for-me foods; it is difficult for me to eat safely anywhere because I am celiac and require a completely gluten-free diet.  Often the only food choice I have had was to buy a peanut butter cup!  I have been living on a diet of almost constant pb cups lately.  I often run out of supplements and have no time to send for them, etc.  So, what I am saying is, I can go about a month without even taking my supplements or caring at all for my health and still get back on
track within 10 to 14 days.  And yes, I am worse for wear and ES toward the end of that 3 to 5 weeks, but I am no where near as ill as I was even 3 years ago, especially from ES.

People often think those of us who have gotten better were not that bad to begin with.  Well, not the case for me!  And I had ES from early childhood. And I am not the only one here who is better.  There are those who have gotten better and left the forum.  And still others who are better, but come to the forum infrequently.  And they do not tell that they are better every time they come.  Only someone who has been here for years themselves would know.

So, this is why Marc often comments that it is more important to focus on your health needs than what is currently going on in the world of technology.  We have a long history, thanks to Marc, of doing that on this forum.  (And in case some do not already know, Marc is the originator and moderator of this forum.)

My 2 cents,
Diane

________________________________
From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quiet Zones

Hey Marc,
 
I'm really glad that you mentioned this because many people here have had their mercury fillings out and have chelated and taken oodles of supplements and use coherent devices, but can anyone here say that they are symptom free?  I have heard of some who claim to be better, like Camilla Rees, but I wanted to talk to someone here who has been "cured" of this so-called affliction.  I thank you for reminding me that I've wanted to ask this question for a while now.
 
I agree that danger comes in many forms, I would prefer not to feel the way I do, especially where I am living.  I think all that people want is to feel good and to feel safe regardless of the death that may be lurking around the corner.  What do you think?
 
Pam

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quiet Zones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 10:08 AM

 

> Do you believe that only people that feel the results of the damage of wireless electrosmog are being biologically damaged?
> Do you believe that if eating blueberries makes someone feel a bit better that they are no longer being damaged?
> Do you think that soothing the "canaries in the mine" will suddenly make the toxic environment okay?
> Do you believe that the wireless explosion should not be challenged or fought?

I'm sure that people are being damaged regardless, but the simple truth is
that many people do not notice anything when they are around wi-fi,
cellphones, computers, etc. And I think people here would also not like
to notice anything.

And some of damage that people are experiencing is not due solely to
EMF, but rather EMF plus some other factor. Like EMF plus heavy metals in
their body. So if they eliminate the heavy metals, the symptoms that they
used to associate with EMF are now gone (as is the damage from that
synergistic combination).

And sure, people can and should fight the wireless explosion, but that's
not really the point of this particular group (as noted in the group's
description).

Marc

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--- In [hidden email], pamela clemonts <adiaha22@...> wrote:
>
> Wow Colleen,
>  
> That's pretty awesome advice.  A little tough for me right now-- but a definite direction.  Eli sent some info about Magnetic Clay, do you think this is similar?
>  
> Pam
>
Pam,

I was not familiar with "Magnetic Clay," so I spent some time looking over their site.  I must say, it raises a number of red flags for me.  First of all, I could not find anywhere on the site where it told the source of the clay, or whether it is calcium bentonite or sodium bentonite.  I have emailed them about that and will let you know when they respond.  

There seems to be a lot of misinformation on the site.  For example, they make a big deal out of supposed dangers of aluminum in clays from other companies. Well, first of all they don't provide any lab reports showing their clay has less aluminum.  But second, and more important, the aluminum in bentonite clay cannot be absorbed by the body.  Not only is it in the safe oxide form rather than a toxic processed form, but it is part of the actual structure of the clay particle, known as a super compound structure, which is fused in such a way that it cannot break down in the body. This aluminum "danger" thing seems to be one of the most persistent myths about clay circulating on the internet. (Granted, there are companies out there that add other materials to their clay that might be contaminated with dangerous mercury.  But these are primarily used in agriculture, pool maintenance, etc.  I'm talking about the aluminum in the clay itself.)

The other thing I noticed is their photos of bathtubs with the supposed remaining clay in the bottom after a detox bath.  When you bathe with clay, you generally will not "see" what has been pulled out of your body.  Even the most pure clay powder will become considerably darker just by getting wet.  But if you read the ingredients of this "magnetic clay," they have added dozens of herbs and spices to it.  The dark muck you see in the bottom of the tub is most likely the remains of these plant materials.  Very deceptive, I would say.

The only difference I could detect in reading the descriptions of their different "baths" was the implication that they use different combinations of these herbs and spices depending on what toxin the "bath kit" is targeting, and not the clay itself ("implication," because they don't actually tell you the difference).  Looks like some pretty shrewd marketing gimmicks if you ask me. Maybe another time I can address the reasons herbs and spices are much more likely to be effective when used internally rather than externally, and what you actually can add to a clay bath to make it more effective.

And another thing, if that isn't enough--A serious issue in heavy metal detox is kidney damage.  You want to open pathways out through the colon and skin for heavy metal elimination, and not through the fragile kidneys.  Very few of the detox "gurus" out there understand how the microbiology and biochemistry of this actually works.  What happens is often, especially when using harsh chelators like EDTA or DMPS, the kidneys will just stop eliminating the toxins.  They are still in the tissues and body fat, and often the brain, but a urine test will not show any excretion.  Then, based on a urine test, the patient is pronounced clean.  In the "lab testing" tab on the Magnetic Clay website, this is precisely what they are doing, and using it as "evidence" that their clay baths are effective.  

I would not waste my  money on this site.  I have no doubt that whatever clay they use it will have some good benefit just because it is a bentonite.  But I won't support this kind of hype and twisted information.  

Hi, again, Pam,
 
I promised to
send you more info on how those of us who have gotten better got better.  Here it is.  Don’t turn up your nose at the generality of it.  Instead, get a notebook and start writing
down all your health problems you know about and those you suspect.  Also write any known problems which relate to
these 4 basic areas which you can think of.  Keep adding ideas as you think of them.  I don't claim to be cured (and actually don't hear anyone using the
"C" word).  I am much much better, tho.  Marc is much
better; Giles is much better; Shivani is much better.....  There are
several more who are much better besides.  And there is Charles who is
saying he has helped people get much better, plus some other doctors I have spoken
with who claim the same.
 
From what I have
been able to gather from reading here and talking to others on the subject,
there are particular things which we are all doing (those of us who have gotten
better or those who are helping others get better), which are in common. 
It appears what we are doing in common are 4 basic things.  The basic
things are:
 
We are supporting
our livers, kidneys, and lymphatic systems in general  (in order to detox things)
We are addressing
pH and returning our bodies to normal pH 
We are supporting and feeding our immune systems
In addition we
each shield from, eliminate, and avoid emfs in various ways.
 
If I were to
adequately address each of these basic issues and the various ways we can
choose to deal with them, my post could turn into a full length book (or
several!)  Therefore, I am not going
there much today.  If anyone has
questions as to any of these issues, you need only ask.  I wrote more on 2 ideas yesterday—optimizing
your diet, and choosing a quicker method of detoxing. 
 
[Btw, on that
post, I want to mention that when I said footbaths take longer to accomplish
detoxing, I meant using a regular footbath.  The footbath Charles here uses takes much less time, but is also much
more expensive.  If expense is not a
consideration for some of you, I think that Charles’ footbath method is as good
as or better than any.  Just go slow
enough that you do not get extremely ill using it.]  However, do know that
when you ARE detoxing effectively, you will likely be really ill for a
time.  This is normal, but there are
other things which you should be also doing at this time in order to make this
pass quickly.  I will send another email
addressing that after this email.  Other
detox ideas are frequent tub soaks with various salts—sea, magnesium chloride, baking
soda, essential oils, clays….. , detoxing via various supplements, detoxing
using regular and infrared sauna (and I once owned an infrared mouse which did
also detox, but I returned it before I realized what was going on.)  One of the best ways to detox IS via your
feet and skin, because this by-passes your liver and kidneys, both of which
detoxing can sometimes damage.  When I
used the homeopathic drops to detox, I was vigorously supporting my liver and
kidneys and did two or more detox soaks/ day as well, but homeopathic does
not by-pass the liver and kidneys, just so you not misunderstand.  With homeopathy the issue is still how the crap all gets out; but homeopathy was able to target various toxins very well, which was a plus.  Understand there is active detox (targetting hard to reach toxins with supplements or homeo remedies) and passive detox (footbaths, saunas, soaks....) which targets whatever the body is freely giving up or what is floating around in the blood stream/ lymphatic system.

 
As to pH--this is
necessary to do but often those of us who have done it, do it in such a way we
don't necessarily even know we have done it--Marc using his Mega-H, I
think, is an example.  Hydrogen supplementation does help bring the body
to basic.  I don’t think Marc ever used
pH strips to measure his pH, tho.  We have need to balance pH as we
are dealing with our individual problems, because each of those problems leads
to pH imbalance.  And also pH and cell voltage mirror one
another.  Cell voltage has everything to do with ion transport and ion
channel health.  Ion channel transport
and ion channel health (and electrolytes) have everything to do with emf
sensitivity.
 
On the third issue,
immune systems, we who are getting better are addressing individual needs we
each have which have brought our personal immune systems down or dysregulated
it--for me, that has included gluten removal (for celiac disease);
killing off/ controlling bacterial, fungal, viral, etc infections (for lyme
disease, EB virus, candida, guiardia…); detoxing antibiotics, pesticides, herbicides,
and other chemicals which my body had collected due to unusual toxic exposures;
detoxing metals (mercury, etc from dental fillings), and others. 
 
Other health
areas which would support the immune system are proper anti-oxidant support, thyroid
regulation, thymus gland support, and adrenal support, etc.  I have had to
do each of these, as well.  But again, to the degree you address these, it is individual, and I have
likely only scratched the surface of what many others might have to address.  I have dealt with much more than these, as
well—for instance, diabetes: I try to be completely sugar-free/ sugar-alcohol
free when at all possible; I eat organically grown foods when at all possible
in order to avoid further pesticide and herbicide exposure.  Any negative health issue or emf exposure which
I can address adequately, adds a plus (added help) to my immune system. 
Any negative I can eliminate automatically turns to a positive for my immune
system.  This is as true when with
dealing with emf shielding and avoidance.  It is also true for stress in general.  My lifestyle right now is very stressful.  I need to take advantage of breaks in that
stress in order to get back to a more normal, relaxed place of healing.  I am ever aware that I cannot allow myself to
live normally as others would in this world.  Whenever I can get a break from stress, I go quickly back to taking good
care of myself.  I know that, tho I can
go a month now without caring for my needs, I would end up back where I started
if I went on abusing my health for very long.
 
I have written many
times here about making a journal and listing all your health problems, then
taking those problems and brainstorming as many ways to cure or help each problem
as you can think of.  Keep adding to
these lists over time as you read something here or elsewhere which you think
might help.  Then, go from the *most
likely to help and cheapest therapy* for each need, systematically trying each
for at least a month or two, till you find something which really works for you.  For many of
these therapies, you will have to play with dosages, ways you can deliver it,
etc to see the right results.  Don’t give
up on what you think is a good therapy until you are really sure you have done
all you can do with it and it still doesn’t help.  I cannot tell you the number of times I tried
therapies and was on the verge of a breakthrough but quit it!  Years later I tried again with some little
tweak to the program and it worked.  So keep
good notes on all you try, as well.  You
can later go back and build on some ideas this way too.
 
We all have
personal health issues which another person's therapy is not going to address,
but if you look at these 4 areas, you realize in some way all of us who are
getting better are addressing those well.  There are harder and easier
ways to accomplish each of these steps.  Some of us (me included), have
done them the harder way, usually, due to stumbling and bumbling along looking
for answers.  But, once you know you do have to do these 4 basic things,
it gets a bit easier.  You can focus on how to get there quicker. 
 
This is a very
simplistic answer.  It is not going to be that simple for you to do it. 
But hopefully you understand better what *you* have to concentrate on.  If
you are confused about anything I just wrote, ask questions.  I may not be
around for awhile, but I will answer when I get back, if someone else doesn't
first. 
 
Also, I often
tell people to read Dr. Jerry Tennant’s book (s) “Healing is Voltage”.  This is because his program contains all the
therapies which helped me personally, without me having to do the writing.  Lol  Charles also has a program of ?29? steps.  Go over his suggestions as well—I did most/
?all? of the ones he enumerated as well.  Gilligan Joy also has a website with the various therapies he did….  (In other words, Charles, Gilligan Joy, Dr
Tennant, and I all used the same therapies, with our own twists on how we
accomplished them.  For each of these
people mentioned, there may be listed more or less steps or therapies,
according to our personal needs/ philosophy as to what we feel was/ is most
helpful.)  
 
This was another
email I wrote to someone on forum a while back to get started with ES
recovery.  You can use it as a guideline
for the time-being till you get your journal going.  It is very basic; to get better you will need
to do more in depth therapies. 
 
 
        1. "Can you tolerate your computer?  If not, find ways to make it the most tolerable.  This is your life line to help. 
Ask at the
forum for suggestions.  Suggestions
range from pulling wireless cards out of your computer and going into the hardware
devices and clicking off some devices (my suggestions) to putting metal
shielded cable on the computer cords.  Most of us use internet via a wired modem and phone cord,
with an ethernet cable from the modem into the computer.  I personally suggest disconnecting all of
these wires when the computer is not in use.  It takes only seconds after you get used to doing it, but will make a world of difference in your living conditions, especially while you are detoxing.
 
        1. What can you do to your immediate atmosphere to help change it?  This is where you live. 
Pull plugs, learn what
you react to (use meters to figure that out if you cannot tell on your own),
find shielding helps, find fixes for your electrics if you need them--fix loose connections and remove grounding loops, ganged neutrals, and light dimmer switches where possible, try going
without your power—turn off electric at your circuit breaker; when you
can.  Get a bed without metal in it and a
mattress without springs.  Try emf devices/ gizmos which help people with
ES—Quantum products, bio-protect card, gemstones and crystals, etc, etc.  Get out of houses which are too close to huge
towers or other detrimental surroundings or have mold or other toxic issues.
 If you have wireless anything in your house, get rid of it or at least
ban it to the garage.  Write down all ideas you come across at the emf
sensitivity forums and sites which others have set up, so you can review them
from time to time.  Most of our brains are fried; we forget.  If
I could remember it all right now, I could write a 3 page paper on just the
easy, very cost effective ways to approach this step.  There are thousands
of ideas out there and they all help at least a little.
 
        1. What can you do to help your body?
        1. Heavy metal detox—is it a problem or not?  Do you have amalgams in your mouth?  If you do, get them out, if possible; and find a good doc to do it who will not injure you further doing it.
        2. Is your liver up to the behemoth task of detoxing?  If not, you need to take supplements which help the liver detox phases accomplish their work and help the liver as a whole.  There are various ways to accomplish this and they are all individual according to what your body lacks and can tolerate.  But, you can ask at the forum what others have taken for this and they will tell you and you will then have to look into it on your own.
        3. immune system support—what is on your "master list" you made?  When we say immune support, most think supplemental support, but there is an even better way to support your immune system, and that is to address all the various issues bringing it down.  So, look at your list, and if you have candida, deal with the candida!  If you have celiac disease, go completely and irrefutably gluten-free.  [No, you cannot go gf except for alcohol or birthday cake!  Sorry!  ;)  ]  Make yourself a flow-chart of all your various issues and what can be done to make each of them better, or to eradicate them altogether.  When you are done listing (and actually you should never be done listing, but this is an on-going journal you add to), take each idea, from easiest and least expensive to the hardest and most expensive and rate them for how effective you think the idea/ therapy will be.  Then start the process of actually accomplishing these ideas.  For
 example: I had to go gf; that is self explanatory, but there are many caveats--I found the devil is in the details.  When I get ill from gluten, it is always from contamination in a product I think is naturally gf or from a toiletry/ cosmetic product.  I had to also kill candida and other invaders.  But there are harder and easier and expensive and inexpensive ways to accomplish candida killing.  I started off with a diet and ended up with homeopathy.
 You can also take
supplements to strengthen your immune system and you can also eat better. 
This is where anti-oxidants and food-based supplements and nutrients can come
in.  Blueberries and goji berries are very high in anti-oxidants, but you
can take many supplements which help too.  ANYBODY can eat better. 
Choose fresh organic foods over processed foods.  Choose raw over cooked;
choose veggies over junk foods and empty starches, choose brown rice over white
rice and baked potato over fries, choose sugar-free over foods which have lots
of sugar.  Choose to drink quality water and, I think it is fairly
universal here that we need alkalized water or water on the alkaline side; most
of us are very acidic as a result of all our toxins.  (I skipped ahead to
pH control here.  Real pH control will come in later in your plan, but
this is a good place to start addressing it.)   
 
Don’t leave out
alternative ideas.  Some of those helped me the most:  essential
oils, herbs, gemstone frequencies, grounding yourself outdoors-- walking barefoot
in very natural settings and hugging a tree, yoga, Qi-gong, plants in your home, magnesium and
sea salts soaking, and other soaks, clays, etc, all have their place in helping
us.  Homeopathy helped me greatly, but be careful not to do too much too
quickly.  If you see any doctor for
detoxing, tell him to think of his most sensitive patient and then to remember
you need to go twice as slow. 
 4.  What can you do to shield/ help when you
leave your home? 
        I take supplements,
some use special clothing or capes,….  Ask what others do; we share here.  
 
Good luck; I hope
this works for you and All,
Diane


________________________________
 From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
 
Thanks Diane!
Pam

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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 3:47 PM



 



Hi again, Pam,


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Diane,
 
You are awesome and very generous.  If you do write that book, I know it will be a success!  I have already forwarded this text to the new member Jill and to my friend Dafna. I will print everything for myself and go from there.  You guys are truly godsent.
 
Pam

--- On Sun, 3/4/12, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Sunday, March 4, 2012, 1:54 PM



 



Hi, again, Pam,
 
I promised to
send you more info on how those of us who have gotten better got better.  Here it is.  Don’t turn up your nose at the generality of it.  Instead, get a notebook and start writing
down all your health problems you know about and those you suspect.  Also write any known problems which relate to
these 4 basic areas which you can think of.  Keep adding ideas as you think of them.  I don't claim to be cured (and actually don't hear anyone using the
"C" word).  I am much much better, tho.  Marc is much
better; Giles is much better; Shivani is much better.....  There are
several more who are much better besides.  And there is Charles who is
saying he has helped people get much better, plus some other doctors I have spoken
with who claim the same.
 
From what I have
been able to gather from reading here and talking to others on the subject,
there are particular things which we are all doing (those of us who have gotten
better or those who are helping others get better), which are in common. 
It appears what we are doing in common are 4 basic things.  The basic
things are:
 
We are supporting
our livers, kidneys, and lymphatic systems in general  (in order to detox things)
We are addressing
pH and returning our bodies to normal pH 
We are supporting and feeding our immune systems
In addition we
each shield from, eliminate, and avoid emfs in various ways.
 
If I were to
adequately address each of these basic issues and the various ways we can
choose to deal with them, my post could turn into a full length book (or
several!)  Therefore, I am not going
there much today.  If anyone has
questions as to any of these issues, you need only ask.  I wrote more on 2 ideas yesterday—optimizing
your diet, and choosing a quicker method of detoxing. 
 
[Btw, on that
post, I want to mention that when I said footbaths take longer to accomplish
detoxing, I meant using a regular footbath.  The footbath Charles here uses takes much less time, but is also much
more expensive.  If expense is not a
consideration for some of you, I think that Charles’ footbath method is as good
as or better than any.  Just go slow
enough that you do not get extremely ill using it.]  However, do know that
when you ARE detoxing effectively, you will likely be really ill for a
time.  This is normal, but there are
other things which you should be also doing at this time in order to make this
pass quickly.  I will send another email
addressing that after this email.  Other
detox ideas are frequent tub soaks with various salts—sea, magnesium chloride, baking
soda, essential oils, clays….. , detoxing via various supplements, detoxing
using regular and infrared sauna (and I once owned an infrared mouse which did
also detox, but I returned it before I realized what was going on.)  One of the best ways to detox IS via your
feet and skin, because this by-passes your liver and kidneys, both of which
detoxing can sometimes damage.  When I
used the homeopathic drops to detox, I was vigorously supporting my liver and
kidneys and did two or more detox soaks/ day as well, but homeopathic does
not by-pass the liver and kidneys, just so you not misunderstand.  With homeopathy the issue is still how the crap all gets out; but homeopathy was able to target various toxins very well, which was a plus.  Understand there is active detox (targetting hard to reach toxins with supplements or homeo remedies) and passive detox (footbaths, saunas, soaks....) which targets whatever the body is freely giving up or what is floating around in the blood stream/ lymphatic system.

 
As to pH--this is
necessary to do but often those of us who have done it, do it in such a way we
don't necessarily even know we have done it--Marc using his Mega-H, I
think, is an example.  Hydrogen supplementation does help bring the body
to basic.  I don’t think Marc ever used
pH strips to measure his pH, tho.  We have need to balance pH as we
are dealing with our individual problems, because each of those problems leads
to pH imbalance.  And also pH and cell voltage mirror one
another.  Cell voltage has everything to do with ion transport and ion
channel health.  Ion channel transport
and ion channel health (and electrolytes) have everything to do with emf
sensitivity.
 
On the third issue,
immune systems, we who are getting better are addressing individual needs we
each have which have brought our personal immune systems down or dysregulated
it--for me, that has included gluten removal (for celiac disease);
killing off/ controlling bacterial, fungal, viral, etc infections (for lyme
disease, EB virus, candida, guiardia…); detoxing antibiotics, pesticides, herbicides,
and other chemicals which my body had collected due to unusual toxic exposures;
detoxing metals (mercury, etc from dental fillings), and others. 
 
Other health
areas which would support the immune system are proper anti-oxidant support, thyroid
regulation, thymus gland support, and adrenal support, etc.  I have had to
do each of these, as well.  But again, to the degree you address these, it is individual, and I have
likely only scratched the surface of what many others might have to address.  I have dealt with much more than these, as
well—for instance, diabetes: I try to be completely sugar-free/ sugar-alcohol
free when at all possible; I eat organically grown foods when at all possible
in order to avoid further pesticide and herbicide exposure.  Any negative health issue or emf exposure which
I can address adequately, adds a plus (added help) to my immune system. 
Any negative I can eliminate automatically turns to a positive for my immune
system.  This is as true when with
dealing with emf shielding and avoidance.  It is also true for stress in general.  My lifestyle right now is very stressful.  I need to take advantage of breaks in that
stress in order to get back to a more normal, relaxed place of healing.  I am ever aware that I cannot allow myself to
live normally as others would in this world.  Whenever I can get a break from stress, I go quickly back to taking good
care of myself.  I know that, tho I can
go a month now without caring for my needs, I would end up back where I started
if I went on abusing my health for very long.
 
I have written many
times here about making a journal and listing all your health problems, then
taking those problems and brainstorming as many ways to cure or help each problem
as you can think of.  Keep adding to
these lists over time as you read something here or elsewhere which you think
might help.  Then, go from the *most
likely to help and cheapest therapy* for each need, systematically trying each
for at least a month or two, till you find something which really works for you.  For many of
these therapies, you will have to play with dosages, ways you can deliver it,
etc to see the right results.  Don’t give
up on what you think is a good therapy until you are really sure you have done
all you can do with it and it still doesn’t help.  I cannot tell you the number of times I tried
therapies and was on the verge of a breakthrough but quit it!  Years later I tried again with some little
tweak to the program and it worked.  So keep
good notes on all you try, as well.  You
can later go back and build on some ideas this way too.
 
We all have
personal health issues which another person's therapy is not going to address,
but if you look at these 4 areas, you realize in some way all of us who are
getting better are addressing those well.  There are harder and easier
ways to accomplish each of these steps.  Some of us (me included), have
done them the harder way, usually, due to stumbling and bumbling along looking
for answers.  But, once you know you do have to do these 4 basic things,
it gets a bit easier.  You can focus on how to get there quicker. 
 
This is a very
simplistic answer.  It is not going to be that simple for you to do it. 
But hopefully you understand better what *you* have to concentrate on.  If
you are confused about anything I just wrote, ask questions.  I may not be
around for awhile, but I will answer when I get back, if someone else doesn't
first. 
 
Also, I often
tell people to read Dr. Jerry Tennant’s book (s) “Healing is Voltage”.  This is because his program contains all the
therapies which helped me personally, without me having to do the writing.  Lol  Charles also has a program of ?29? steps.  Go over his suggestions as well—I did most/
?all? of the ones he enumerated as well.  Gilligan Joy also has a website with the various therapies he did….  (In other words, Charles, Gilligan Joy, Dr
Tennant, and I all used the same therapies, with our own twists on how we
accomplished them.  For each of these
people mentioned, there may be listed more or less steps or therapies,
according to our personal needs/ philosophy as to what we feel was/ is most
helpful.)  
 
This was another
email I wrote to someone on forum a while back to get started with ES
recovery.  You can use it as a guideline
for the time-being till you get your journal going.  It is very basic; to get better you will need
to do more in depth therapies. 
 
 
1. "Can you tolerate your computer?  If not, find ways to make it the most tolerable.  This is your life line to help. 
Ask at the
forum for suggestions.  Suggestions
range from pulling wireless cards out of your computer and going into the hardware
devices and clicking off some devices (my suggestions) to putting metal
shielded cable on the computer cords.  Most of us use internet via a wired modem and phone cord,
with an ethernet cable from the modem into the computer.  I personally suggest disconnecting all of
these wires when the computer is not in use.  It takes only seconds after you get used to doing it, but will make a world of difference in your living conditions, especially while you are detoxing.
 
1. What can you do to your immediate atmosphere to help change it?  This is where you live. 
Pull plugs, learn what
you react to (use meters to figure that out if you cannot tell on your own),
find shielding helps, find fixes for your electrics if you need them--fix loose connections and remove grounding loops, ganged neutrals, and light dimmer switches where possible, try going
without your power—turn off electric at your circuit breaker; when you
can.  Get a bed without metal in it and a
mattress without springs.  Try emf devices/ gizmos which help people with
ES—Quantum products, bio-protect card, gemstones and crystals, etc, etc.  Get out of houses which are too close to huge
towers or other detrimental surroundings or have mold or other toxic issues.
 If you have wireless anything in your house, get rid of it or at least
ban it to the garage.  Write down all ideas you come across at the emf
sensitivity forums and sites which others have set up, so you can review them
from time to time.  Most of our brains are fried; we forget.  If
I could remember it all right now, I could write a 3 page paper on just the
easy, very cost effective ways to approach this step.  There are thousands
of ideas out there and they all help at least a little.
 
1. What can you do to help your body?
1. Heavy metal detox—is it a problem or not?  Do you have amalgams in your mouth?  If you do, get them out, if possible; and find a good doc to do it who will not injure you further doing it.
2. Is your liver up to the behemoth task of detoxing?  If not, you need to take supplements which help the liver detox phases accomplish their work and help the liver as a whole.  There are various ways to accomplish this and they are all individual according to what your body lacks and can tolerate.  But, you can ask at the forum what others have taken for this and they will tell you and you will then have to look into it on your own.
3. immune system support—what is on your "master list" you made?  When we say immune support, most think supplemental support, but there is an even better way to support your immune system, and that is to address all the various issues bringing it down.  So, look at your list, and if you have candida, deal with the candida!  If you have celiac disease, go completely and irrefutably gluten-free.  [No, you cannot go gf except for alcohol or birthday cake!  Sorry!  ;)  ]  Make yourself a flow-chart of all your various issues and what can be done to make each of them better, or to eradicate them altogether.  When you are done listing (and actually you should never be done listing, but this is an on-going journal you add to), take each idea, from easiest and least expensive to the hardest and most expensive and rate them for how effective you think the idea/ therapy will be.  Then start the process of actually accomplishing these ideas.  For
example: I had to go gf; that is self explanatory, but there are many caveats--I found the devil is in the details.  When I get ill from gluten, it is always from contamination in a product I think is naturally gf or from a toiletry/ cosmetic product.  I had to also kill candida and other invaders.  But there are harder and easier and expensive and inexpensive ways to accomplish candida killing.  I started off with a diet and ended up with homeopathy.
 You can also take
supplements to strengthen your immune system and you can also eat better. 
This is where anti-oxidants and food-based supplements and nutrients can come
in.  Blueberries and goji berries are very high in anti-oxidants, but you
can take many supplements which help too.  ANYBODY can eat better. 
Choose fresh organic foods over processed foods.  Choose raw over cooked;
choose veggies over junk foods and empty starches, choose brown rice over white
rice and baked potato over fries, choose sugar-free over foods which have lots
of sugar.  Choose to drink quality water and, I think it is fairly
universal here that we need alkalized water or water on the alkaline side; most
of us are very acidic as a result of all our toxins.  (I skipped ahead to
pH control here.  Real pH control will come in later in your plan, but
this is a good place to start addressing it.) 
 
Don’t leave out
alternative ideas.  Some of those helped me the most:  essential
oils, herbs, gemstone frequencies, grounding yourself outdoors-- walking barefoot
in very natural settings and hugging a tree, yoga, Qi-gong, plants in your home, magnesium and
sea salts soaking, and other soaks, clays, etc, all have their place in helping
us.  Homeopathy helped me greatly, but be careful not to do too much too
quickly.  If you see any doctor for
detoxing, tell him to think of his most sensitive patient and then to remember
you need to go twice as slow. 
 4.  What can you do to shield/ help when you
leave your home? 
        I take supplements,
some use special clothing or capes,….  Ask what others do; we share here.
 
Good luck; I hope
this works for you and All,
Diane

________________________________
From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free

Thanks Diane!
Pam

--- On Fri, 3/2/12, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 3:47 PM

 

Hi again, Pam,

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 Hi, Pam,

This is the other email I promised.  Most of it was written to me on a handout from my homeopath:

 
Preparing
Oneself for Detoxing:
 
Ahead of
time:
Quit eating
overly-processed foods and foods w chemical additives, sugar, refined carbs,
and glutens, in them.  Eat organic foods to avoid pesticides and other chemicals. 
No sodas, alcoholic beverages, recreational drugs, or cigarettes.  Limit
yeasts and even natural sugars in foods.
 
Limit coffee
and tea (except herbal, sugarfree types) to one cup in the morning, only. 
Use no more caffeine than this and avoid other stimulants.
 
Maximize the
quality and quantity of your drinking water and begin a good multiple
vitamin/mineral supplement regimen.
 
Get ample
sleep +/or rest.
 
Begin
unplugging all appliances (which can be unplugged) when not in use.  Also
get in the habit of using rubber gloves to plug in and turn on all
electrics.  Also do this when changing light bulbs, etc. (Many of these are good ideas to do all the time for people who are still struggling with ES).

 
Move to the
safest area you can find to sleep—not above, below, or next to rooms with tvs,
wireless, computers, or other electronics.  Otherwise, turn off circuits
to those rooms while sleeping.  Do not have wireless devices, TVs, or
anything which can transmit frequencies while plugged in or unplugged near your
bedroom.
 
Pull your
bed away from the walls by 1 or 2 feet (and hopefully, you already have a
non metal bed and mattress without springs) or otherwise turn off
circuits to the room at night when you are sleeping.  Keep only a battery
alarm clock and battery candles to see by in your bedroom.
 
Also avoid
sleeping above metal pipes and incoming water or gas lines, if those have the
potential to have electrical current running on them.
 
 
During
detoxing:
Continue the
previous list.
 
Avoid
electromagnetic fields: while detoxing stay out of areas high in emfs.  Do
not drive or visit others.
 
Do not talk
on phones—use only a speakerphone and limit calls to a couple minutes while
detoxing.
 
Temporarily
quit using magnets.
 
Do not have
dental work of any kind done if you have mercury and amalgam fillings while doing
detoxing. (unless amalgam removal and detoxing mercury and silver is what you
are preparing for.)    
 
Begin use of
glandulars to support the organs, such as thymus and adrenal glandular. 
Use supplemental support for the kidneys, liver, and adrenals, if glandulars
are not preferred.
 
If you are
within 15-25 minutes of a large park, forest, or natural water source, spend as
much time in nature there, where emfs are low.  “Ground” yourself when
possible in such places.  [By "ground" yourself, I mean sit
directly on the ground wearing all natural clothing or walk barefoot or with
naturally conductive shoes or socks.]
 
Some other
great advice on preparing for detox comes from Andrew on the ESens forum:
 
>> I think a prudent way to go forward is do a month or two
of and seas salts, or baking soda--to help prepare the body to detox thru the
skin.]
>> Do a colon cleanse and other light clearings to get the
>> surface level
>> junk out of the system.
 
He also
suggests reading the detox protocols of Dr. Klinghardt and Dr. Mercola at:
 
http://www.biopureu
s.com/store. html
 
http://www.selfheal th.co.uk/ Cleansing- Detox-according-
to-Dr-Dietrich- Klinghardt- MD-PhD.html

 http://74.125. 47.132/search? q=cache:Cqjdl4C0 xGAJ:www.
klinghardtneurob iology.com/ KlinghardtAutism 2008Derksen. pdf+klinghardt+
mercury+detox+ OSR+protocol& cd=9&hl=en& ct=clnk&gl=
us&client= firefox-a
> Notes – DK
2008 Autism Conference Deitrich Klinghardt,
Good luck,
Diane



________________________________
 From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
 
Thanks Diane!
Pam

--- On Fri, 3/2/12, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 3:47 PM

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks, Pam,

You are too kind.  ;)  ACK, I wish my Word formatting came thru the forum mail intact.  It was easier to read when I wrote it all separated and organized.

Diane



________________________________
 From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
 
Hi Diane,
 
You are awesome and very generous.  If you do write that book, I know it will be a success!  I have already forwarded this text to the new member Jill and to my friend Dafna. I will print everything for myself and go from there.  You guys are truly godsent.
 
Pam

--- On Sun, 3/4/12, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Sunday, March 4, 2012, 1:54 PM



 



Hi, again, Pam,
 
I promised to
send you more info on how those of us who have gotten better got better.  Here it is.  Don’t turn up your nose at the generality of it.  Instead, get a notebook and start writing
down all your health problems you know about and those you suspect.  Also write any known problems which relate to
these 4 basic areas which you can think of.  Keep adding ideas as you think of them.  I don't claim to be cured (and actually don't hear anyone using the
"C" word).  I am much much better, tho.  Marc is much
better; Giles is much better; Shivani is much better.....  There are
several more who are much better besides.  And there is Charles who is
saying he has helped people get much better, plus some other doctors I have spoken
with who claim the same.
 
From what I have
been able to gather from reading here and talking to others on the subject,
there are particular things which we are all doing (those of us who have gotten
better or those who are helping others get better), which are in common. 
It appears what we are doing in common are 4 basic things.  The basic
things are:
 
We are supporting
our livers, kidneys, and lymphatic systems in general  (in order to detox things)
We are addressing
pH and returning our bodies to normal pH 
We are supporting and feeding our immune systems
In addition we
each shield from, eliminate, and avoid emfs in various ways.
 
If I were to
adequately address each of these basic issues and the various ways we can
choose to deal with them, my post could turn into a full length book (or
several!)  Therefore, I am not going
there much today.  If anyone has
questions as to any of these issues, you need only ask.  I wrote more on 2 ideas yesterday—optimizing
your diet, and choosing a quicker method of detoxing. 
 
[Btw, on that
post, I want to mention that when I said footbaths take longer to accomplish
detoxing, I meant using a regular footbath.  The footbath Charles here uses takes much less time, but is also much
more expensive.  If expense is not a
consideration for some of you, I think that Charles’ footbath method is as good
as or better than any.  Just go slow
enough that you do not get extremely ill using it.]  However, do know that
when you ARE detoxing effectively, you will likely be really ill for a
time.  This is normal, but there are
other things which you should be also doing at this time in order to make this
pass quickly.  I will send another email
addressing that after this email.  Other
detox ideas are frequent tub soaks with various salts—sea, magnesium chloride, baking
soda, essential oils, clays….. , detoxing via various supplements, detoxing
using regular and infrared sauna (and I once owned an infrared mouse which did
also detox, but I returned it before I realized what was going on.)  One of the best ways to detox IS via your
feet and skin, because this by-passes your liver and kidneys, both of which
detoxing can sometimes damage.  When I
used the homeopathic drops to detox, I was vigorously supporting my liver and
kidneys and did two or more detox soaks/ day as well, but homeopathic does
not by-pass the liver and kidneys, just so you not misunderstand.  With homeopathy the issue is still how the crap all gets out; but homeopathy was able to target various toxins very well, which was a plus.  Understand there is active detox (targetting hard to reach toxins with supplements or homeo remedies) and passive detox (footbaths, saunas, soaks....) which targets whatever the body is freely giving up or what is floating around in the blood stream/ lymphatic system.

 
As to pH--this is
necessary to do but often those of us who have done it, do it in such a way we
don't necessarily even know we have done it--Marc using his Mega-H, I
think, is an example.  Hydrogen supplementation does help bring the body
to basic.  I don’t think Marc ever used
pH strips to measure his pH, tho.  We have need to balance pH as we
are dealing with our individual problems, because each of those problems leads
to pH imbalance.  And also pH and cell voltage mirror one
another.  Cell voltage has everything to do with ion transport and ion
channel health.  Ion channel transport
and ion channel health (and electrolytes) have everything to do with emf
sensitivity.
 
On the third issue,
immune systems, we who are getting better are addressing individual needs we
each have which have brought our personal immune systems down or dysregulated
it--for me, that has included gluten removal (for celiac disease);
killing off/ controlling bacterial, fungal, viral, etc infections (for lyme
disease, EB virus, candida, guiardia…); detoxing antibiotics, pesticides, herbicides,
and other chemicals which my body had collected due to unusual toxic exposures;
detoxing metals (mercury, etc from dental fillings), and others. 
 
Other health
areas which would support the immune system are proper anti-oxidant support, thyroid
regulation, thymus gland support, and adrenal support, etc.  I have had to
do each of these, as well.  But again, to the degree you address these, it is individual, and I have
likely only scratched the surface of what many others might have to address.  I have dealt with much more than these, as
well—for instance, diabetes: I try to be completely sugar-free/ sugar-alcohol
free when at all possible; I eat organically grown foods when at all possible
in order to avoid further pesticide and herbicide exposure.  Any negative health issue or emf exposure which
I can address adequately, adds a plus (added help) to my immune system. 
Any negative I can eliminate automatically turns to a positive for my immune
system.  This is as true when with
dealing with emf shielding and avoidance.  It is also true for stress in general.  My lifestyle right now is very stressful.  I need to take advantage of breaks in that
stress in order to get back to a more normal, relaxed place of healing.  I am ever aware that I cannot allow myself to
live normally as others would in this world.  Whenever I can get a break from stress, I go quickly back to taking good
care of myself.  I know that, tho I can
go a month now without caring for my needs, I would end up back where I started
if I went on abusing my health for very long.
 
I have written many
times here about making a journal and listing all your health problems, then
taking those problems and brainstorming as many ways to cure or help each problem
as you can think of.  Keep adding to
these lists over time as you read something here or elsewhere which you think
might help.  Then, go from the *most
likely to help and cheapest therapy* for each need, systematically trying each
for at least a month or two, till you find something which really works for you.  For many of
these therapies, you will have to play with dosages, ways you can deliver it,
etc to see the right results.  Don’t give
up on what you think is a good therapy until you are really sure you have done
all you can do with it and it still doesn’t help.  I cannot tell you the number of times I tried
therapies and was on the verge of a breakthrough but quit it!  Years later I tried again with some little
tweak to the program and it worked.  So keep
good notes on all you try, as well.  You
can later go back and build on some ideas this way too.
 
We all have
personal health issues which another person's therapy is not going to address,
but if you look at these 4 areas, you realize in some way all of us who are
getting better are addressing those well.  There are harder and easier
ways to accomplish each of these steps.  Some of us (me included), have
done them the harder way, usually, due to stumbling and bumbling along looking
for answers.  But, once you know you do have to do these 4 basic things,
it gets a bit easier.  You can focus on how to get there quicker. 
 
This is a very
simplistic answer.  It is not going to be that simple for you to do it. 
But hopefully you understand better what *you* have to concentrate on.  If
you are confused about anything I just wrote, ask questions.  I may not be
around for awhile, but I will answer when I get back, if someone else doesn't
first. 
 
Also, I often
tell people to read Dr. Jerry Tennant’s book (s) “Healing is Voltage”.  This is because his program contains all the
therapies which helped me personally, without me having to do the writing.  Lol  Charles also has a program of ?29? steps.  Go over his suggestions as well—I did most/
?all? of the ones he enumerated as well.  Gilligan Joy also has a website with the various therapies he did….  (In other words, Charles, Gilligan Joy, Dr
Tennant, and I all used the same therapies, with our own twists on how we
accomplished them.  For each of these
people mentioned, there may be listed more or less steps or therapies,
according to our personal needs/ philosophy as to what we feel was/ is most
helpful.)  
 
This was another
email I wrote to someone on forum a while back to get started with ES
recovery.  You can use it as a guideline
for the time-being till you get your journal going.  It is very basic; to get better you will need
to do more in depth therapies. 
 
 
1. "Can you tolerate your computer?  If not, find ways to make it the most tolerable.  This is your life line to help. 
Ask at the
forum for suggestions.  Suggestions
range from pulling wireless cards out of your computer and going into the hardware
devices and clicking off some devices (my suggestions) to putting metal
shielded cable on the computer cords.  Most of us use internet via a wired modem and phone cord,
with an ethernet cable from the modem into the computer.  I personally suggest disconnecting all of
these wires when the computer is not in use.  It takes only seconds after you get used to doing it, but will make a world of difference in your living conditions, especially while you are detoxing.
 
1. What can you do to your immediate atmosphere to help change it?  This is where you live. 
Pull plugs, learn what
you react to (use meters to figure that out if you cannot tell on your own),
find shielding helps, find fixes for your electrics if you need them--fix loose connections and remove grounding loops, ganged neutrals, and light dimmer switches where possible, try going
without your power—turn off electric at your circuit breaker; when you
can.  Get a bed without metal in it and a
mattress without springs.  Try emf devices/ gizmos which help people with
ES—Quantum products, bio-protect card, gemstones and crystals, etc, etc.  Get out of houses which are too close to huge
towers or other detrimental surroundings or have mold or other toxic issues.
 If you have wireless anything in your house, get rid of it or at least
ban it to the garage.  Write down all ideas you come across at the emf
sensitivity forums and sites which others have set up, so you can review them
from time to time.  Most of our brains are fried; we forget.  If
I could remember it all right now, I could write a 3 page paper on just the
easy, very cost effective ways to approach this step.  There are thousands
of ideas out there and they all help at least a little.
 
1. What can you do to help your body?
1. Heavy metal detox—is it a problem or not?  Do you have amalgams in your mouth?  If you do, get them out, if possible; and find a good doc to do it who will not injure you further doing it.
2. Is your liver up to the behemoth task of detoxing?  If not, you need to take supplements which help the liver detox phases accomplish their work and help the liver as a whole.  There are various ways to accomplish this and they are all individual according to what your body lacks and can tolerate.  But, you can ask at the forum what others have taken for this and they will tell you and you will then have to look into it on your own.
3. immune system support—what is on your "master list" you made?  When we say immune support, most think supplemental support, but there is an even better way to support your immune system, and that is to address all the various issues bringing it down.  So, look at your list, and if you have candida, deal with the candida!  If you have celiac disease, go completely and irrefutably gluten-free.  [No, you cannot go gf except for alcohol or birthday cake!  Sorry!  ;)  ]  Make yourself a flow-chart of all your various issues and what can be done to make each of them better, or to eradicate them altogether.  When you are done listing (and actually you should never be done listing, but this is an on-going journal you add to), take each idea, from easiest and least expensive to the hardest and most expensive and rate them for how effective you think the idea/ therapy will be.  Then start the process of actually accomplishing these ideas.  For
example: I had to go gf; that is self explanatory, but there are many caveats--I found the devil is in the details.  When I get ill from gluten, it is always from contamination in a product I think is naturally gf or from a toiletry/ cosmetic product.  I had to also kill candida and other invaders.  But there are harder and easier and expensive and inexpensive ways to accomplish candida killing.  I started off with a diet and ended up with homeopathy.
 You can also take
supplements to strengthen your immune system and you can also eat better. 
This is where anti-oxidants and food-based supplements and nutrients can come
in.  Blueberries and goji berries are very high in anti-oxidants, but you
can take many supplements which help too.  ANYBODY can eat better. 
Choose fresh organic foods over processed foods.  Choose raw over cooked;
choose veggies over junk foods and empty starches, choose brown rice over white
rice and baked potato over fries, choose sugar-free over foods which have lots
of sugar.  Choose to drink quality water and, I think it is fairly
universal here that we need alkalized water or water on the alkaline side; most
of us are very acidic as a result of all our toxins.  (I skipped ahead to
pH control here.  Real pH control will come in later in your plan, but
this is a good place to start addressing it.) 
 
Don’t leave out
alternative ideas.  Some of those helped me the most:  essential
oils, herbs, gemstone frequencies, grounding yourself outdoors-- walking barefoot
in very natural settings and hugging a tree, yoga, Qi-gong, plants in your home, magnesium and
sea salts soaking, and other soaks, clays, etc, all have their place in helping
us.  Homeopathy helped me greatly, but be careful not to do too much too
quickly.  If you see any doctor for
detoxing, tell him to think of his most sensitive patient and then to remember
you need to go twice as slow. 
 4.  What can you do to shield/ help when you
leave your home? 
        I take supplements,
some use special clothing or capes,….  Ask what others do; we share here.
 
Good luck; I hope
this works for you and All,
Diane

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Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free

Thanks Diane!
Pam

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Hi again, Pam,

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LOL Pam, 


Bad formatting can make for some funny ideas.  I especially like that the first thing one is to do to prepare for detox is to "Quit eating"!  lol

Diane


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To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Number 2--Becoming Symptom-Free
 
 Hi, Pam,

This is the other email I promised.  Most of it was written to me on a handout from my homeopath:

 
Preparing
Oneself for Detoxing:
 
Ahead of
time:
Quit eating
overly-processed foods and foods w chemical additives, sugar, refined carbs,
and glutens, in them.  Eat organic foods to avoid pesticides and other chemicals. 
No sodas, alcoholic beverages, recreational drugs, or cigarettes.  Limit
yeasts and even natural sugars in foods.
 
Limit coffee
and tea (except herbal, sugarfree types) to one cup in the morning, only. 
Use no more caffeine than this and avoid other stimulants.
 
Maximize the
quality and quantity of your drinking water and begin a good multiple
vitamin/mineral supplement regimen.
 
Get ample
sleep +/or rest.
 
Begin
unplugging all appliances (which can be unplugged) when not in use.  Also
get in the habit of using rubber gloves to plug in and turn on all
electrics.  Also do this when changing light bulbs, etc. (Many of these are good ideas to do all the time for people who are still struggling with ES).

 
Move to the
safest area you can find to sleep—not above, below, or next to rooms with tvs,
wireless, computers, or other electronics.  Otherwise, turn off circuits
to those rooms while sleeping.  Do not have wireless devices, TVs, or
anything which can transmit frequencies while plugged in or unplugged near your
bedroom.
 
Pull your
bed away from the walls by 1 or 2 feet (and hopefully, you already have a
non metal bed and mattress without springs) or otherwise turn off
circuits to the room at night when you are sleeping.  Keep only a battery
alarm clock and battery candles to see by in your bedroom.
 
Also avoid
sleeping above metal pipes and incoming water or gas lines, if those have the
potential to have electrical current running on them.
 
 
During
detoxing:
Continue the
previous list.
 
Avoid
electromagnetic fields: while detoxing stay out of areas high in emfs.  Do
not drive or visit others.
 
Do not talk
on phones—use only a speakerphone and limit calls to a couple minutes while
detoxing.
 
Temporarily
quit using magnets.
 
Do not have
dental work of any kind done if you have mercury and amalgam fillings while doing
detoxing. (unless amalgam removal and detoxing mercury and silver is what you
are preparing for.)    
 
Begin use of
glandulars to support the organs, such as thymus and adrenal glandular. 
Use supplemental support for the kidneys, liver, and adrenals, if glandulars
are not preferred.
 
If you are
within 15-25 minutes of a large park, forest, or natural water source, spend as
much time in nature there, where emfs are low.  “Ground” yourself when
possible in such places.  [By "ground" yourself, I mean sit
directly on the ground wearing all natural clothing or walk barefoot or with
naturally conductive shoes or socks.]
 
Some other
great advice on preparing for detox comes from Andrew on the ESens forum:
 
>> I think a prudent way to go forward is do a month or two
of and seas salts, or baking soda--to help prepare the body to detox thru the
skin.]
>> Do a colon cleanse and other light clearings to get the
>> surface level
>> junk out of the system.
 
He also
suggests reading the detox protocols of Dr. Klinghardt and Dr. Mercola at:
 
http://www.biopureu
s.com/store. html
 
http://www.selfheal th.co.uk/ Cleansing- Detox-according-
to-Dr-Dietrich- Klinghardt- MD-PhD.html

 http://74.125. 47.132/search? q=cache:Cqjdl4C0 xGAJ:www.
klinghardtneurob iology.com/ KlinghardtAutism 2008Derksen. pdf+klinghardt+
mercury+detox+ OSR+protocol& cd=9&hl=en& ct=clnk&gl=
us&client= firefox-a
> Notes – DK
2008 Autism Conference Deitrich Klinghardt,
Good luck,
Diane



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Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free

Thanks Diane!
Pam

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> I don’t think Marc ever used pH strips to measure his pH, tho.

Sure I have!  

I remember the days when my saliva pH was around 5.0 (which is
way too low).  Last time I checked it (maybe a year ago), it
was more like 6.5.

... the only problem with pH paper is that the colors I see
on the paper rarely match any color on the "key".

Marc

While I agree with most of what you are saying, that all people exposed to the radiation are experiencing adverse biological effects in some form, sensitive or not, I don't agree with what you seem to be saying that the more resistant are going to experience the same effects as the sensitive. If your body is experiencing the pain, dizziness, agitation, stress etc from EMF on a daily basis, then your immune system  isn't working as well as the non-sensitive, so how can they experience damage equal to the sensitive?

Some researchers have put forward that that the sensitivity of cells to EMFs varies with how out of balance they are, and especially the immune system cells. So, cells in a healty body, in homeostasis, won't experience as much as the adverse effects. E.g.:

" Cells in a metabolically stable state can counteract the weak initial cellular changes induced by EMFs so that no long-term biological changes occur. On the other hand, cells in a homeostatically unstable state, induced for instance by stress or disease, can be further brought out of balance, so that exposure to EMFs will lead to biologically relevant changes in the metabolic pathways."

See:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/e7302686214j1g14/fulltext.pdf

Or
"there is no substantial influence of low-intensity EHF EMR on a normally functioning cell, but if the functioning of the cell is disturbed, even weak external influences can change its metabolic profile. "

See:

http://www.salzburg.gv.at/en/2001_kositsky_et_al._-_ussr_review-2.pdf


While I disagree with the first piece that no adverse biological changes occur in healthy cells/people, it makes sense that that they are more resistant to adverse effects.


Sean.
 

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Hi Sean,
Those who aren't showing outward signs of damage- or effects from wireless radiation only means they don't have an early warning system; or more realistically- have not yet connected the dots that connect their "other" health issues to wireless radiation effects. Look around you and count how many people you can find who have NO health issues period. That includes: allergies, diabetes, weight problems, arthritis, sinus head-aches, poor memory, acne, (YES, acne), vision problems, needs to wear glasses, and include here the sheer numbers of people you see wearing sun glasses (photo sensitivity). These all sound like pretty innocent things, don't they? Yet they are widespread, commonly accepted as normal, but in reality, they are signs of something not being right in the body. A person can look healthy on the outside, be under the age of 30, and have a poor short term memory. People joke about attention deficit disorder, they joke that so and so would forget their head if it wasn't attached. We have become so used to this we think its normal. On a weekly basis, how many of us spend time correcting someone else's mistake, because they forgot to do their job, or they forgot something changed, or they were distracted, or it was a computer error? The list is endless. And it is not rare at all these days.
A person can work out 4 times a week, and have severe acne. A person can look "normal" in many aspects, but not be able to tolerate even low level medium lighting, or low level sunshine; my point here is that
there are many signs and indicators that our society is a product of the 30 years plus of exposure to damaging wireless technologies.
Below is an interview with Barrie Trower, who is an expert on microwave radiation. According to Trower, "there is NO evidence that this technology IS safe, period. There are, over 8 thousand studies that show micro wave radiation does damage the body."  The only difference between someone with a healthier immune system and those with a weaker immune system, with regards to wireless micro wave radiation, is that the stronger may appear to be asymptommatic- no outward symptoms. Which is actually more dangerous, because the person doesn't know they are being damaged. This is where the early warning system is actually a blessing in disguise.  IF we could visibly and easily see what is happening to the body, on a cellular level with micro wave radiation exposure, then there'd be no scientific debate because the evidence would be so loud, so strong, the only question would be, "how much damage."
Lizzie
 
www.mastsanity.org/health/research/298-wi-fi-open-letter-to-swindon-advertiser-by-barrie-trower.html
Wi-Fi - Open Letter to Swindon Advertiser by Barrie Trower

 
To Whom It May Concern
I write in comment to the article in Swindon Evening Advertiser 16/02/2011 which was bought to my attention entitled ‘WiFi worry is Unfounded says Council’.
I gave a presentation in Swindon last October 2010 at the Pilgrim Centre ‘Know the Dangers .. Hear the Truth ‘ which was organised by Liz Brackenbury and attended by members of the public along with local councillors, representatives from Talk Swindon Forum and an MP.
During the question and answer session a local councillor stated his intention to go ahead and use wifi in schools etc. When asked what the safe level of exposure to microwave irradiation for a child was he replied ‘ i don t know’
Hence the title of this article is untrue.
Wifi worry is Unfounded says council. In fact the councillor was correct in his comments that he does’ t know what the safe level of microwave irradiation is for a child because there is NO safe level of microwave irradiation for a child known anywhere in the world.
Another quote in the article is also untrue. ‘Both the WHO and the HPA say there is no convincing evidence .... of ill effects’ This statement was made by their spokesperson who has since left to ‘consult’ for the mobile phone industry.

In fact 80% of the Data held by the WHO does show damage from continuous low level microwave irradiation, the WHO told the EU Parliament it would not comment on such dangers to adults until 2015 and only started observing effects on children in 2009, which means the WHO will not comment on children until roughly 2024.
A document published in 1976 by the US Government addressed to all world governments warned that low level microwaves could cause neuropathological and physiological illness in adults and children, at current wifi levels.



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While I agree with most of what you are saying, that all people exposed to the radiation are experiencing adverse biological effects in some form, sensitive or not, I don't agree with what you seem to be saying that the more resistant are going to experience the same effects as the sensitive. If your body is experiencing the pain, dizziness, agitation, stress etc from EMF on a daily basis, then your immune system isn't working as well as the non-sensitive, so how can they experience damage equal to the sensitive?

Some researchers have put forward that that the sensitivity of cells to EMFs varies with how out of balance they are, and especially the immune system cells. So, cells in a healty body, in homeostasis, won't experience as much as the adverse effects. E.g.:

" Cells in a metabolically stable state can counteract the weak initial cellular changes induced by EMFs so that no long-term biological changes occur. On the other hand, cells in a homeostatically unstable state, induced for instance by stress or disease, can be further brought out of balance, so that exposure to EMFs will lead to biologically relevant changes in the metabolic pathways."

See:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/e7302686214j1g14/fulltext.pdf

Or
"there is no substantial influence of low-intensity EHF EMR on a normally functioning cell, but if the functioning of the cell is disturbed, even weak external influences can change its metabolic profile. "

See:

http://www.salzburg.gv.at/en/2001_kositsky_et_al._-_ussr_review-2.pdf

While I disagree with the first piece that no adverse biological changes occur in healthy cells/people, it makes sense that that they are more resistant to adverse effects.

Sean.


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Hi Diane,
 
I am going to forward some of that wonderful protocol to whomever asks if you don't mind. Also, my head is spinning.  I give you all so much credit for being so disciplined.  I am a bit overwhelmed.  But I will print out everything and begin to make realistic choices as to what I can do immediately.  I am really looking at this clay soak idea and it keeps coming up so I will probably begin there. I think it was Eli who sent out the link regarding the magnetic clay baths and when I went to the site it also had info about pH, iodine and transdermal magnesium (a regular one stop shop).  I have so much work to do and I don't have insurance, but I also realize that much of the holistic diagnostics aren't covered anyway.
 
Thanks again.  Hopefully by the end of this year I can uncover some real results and report back to eSens.
 
Have a great week!
Pam
 


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Subject: Re: [eSens] Number 2--Becoming Symptom-Free
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LOL Pam, 

Bad formatting can make for some funny ideas.  I especially like that the first thing one is to do to prepare for detox is to "Quit eating"!  lol

Diane

________________________________
From: Evie <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Number 2--Becoming Symptom-Free

 Hi, Pam,

This is the other email I promised.  Most of it was written to me on a handout from my homeopath:

 
Preparing
Oneself for Detoxing:
 
Ahead of
time:
Quit eating
overly-processed foods and foods w chemical additives, sugar, refined carbs,
and glutens, in them.  Eat organic foods to avoid pesticides and other chemicals. 
No sodas, alcoholic beverages, recreational drugs, or cigarettes.  Limit
yeasts and even natural sugars in foods.
 
Limit coffee
and tea (except herbal, sugarfree types) to one cup in the morning, only. 
Use no more caffeine than this and avoid other stimulants.
 
Maximize the
quality and quantity of your drinking water and begin a good multiple
vitamin/mineral supplement regimen.
 
Get ample
sleep +/or rest.
 
Begin
unplugging all appliances (which can be unplugged) when not in use.  Also
get in the habit of using rubber gloves to plug in and turn on all
electrics.  Also do this when changing light bulbs, etc. (Many of these are good ideas to do all the time for people who are still struggling with ES).

 
Move to the
safest area you can find to sleep—not above, below, or next to rooms with tvs,
wireless, computers, or other electronics.  Otherwise, turn off circuits
to those rooms while sleeping.  Do not have wireless devices, TVs, or
anything which can transmit frequencies while plugged in or unplugged near your
bedroom.
 
Pull your
bed away from the walls by 1 or 2 feet (and hopefully, you already have a
non metal bed and mattress without springs) or otherwise turn off
circuits to the room at night when you are sleeping.  Keep only a battery
alarm clock and battery candles to see by in your bedroom.
 
Also avoid
sleeping above metal pipes and incoming water or gas lines, if those have the
potential to have electrical current running on them.
 
 
During
detoxing:
Continue the
previous list.
 
Avoid
electromagnetic fields: while detoxing stay out of areas high in emfs.  Do
not drive or visit others.
 
Do not talk
on phones—use only a speakerphone and limit calls to a couple minutes while
detoxing.
 
Temporarily
quit using magnets.
 
Do not have
dental work of any kind done if you have mercury and amalgam fillings while doing
detoxing. (unless amalgam removal and detoxing mercury and silver is what you
are preparing for.)    
 
Begin use of
glandulars to support the organs, such as thymus and adrenal glandular. 
Use supplemental support for the kidneys, liver, and adrenals, if glandulars
are not preferred.
 
If you are
within 15-25 minutes of a large park, forest, or natural water source, spend as
much time in nature there, where emfs are low.  “Ground” yourself when
possible in such places.  [By "ground" yourself, I mean sit
directly on the ground wearing all natural clothing or walk barefoot or with
naturally conductive shoes or socks.]
 
Some other
great advice on preparing for detox comes from Andrew on the ESens forum:
 
>> I think a prudent way to go forward is do a month or two
of and seas salts, or baking soda--to help prepare the body to detox thru the
skin.]
>> Do a colon cleanse and other light clearings to get the
>> surface level
>> junk out of the system.
 
He also
suggests reading the detox protocols of Dr. Klinghardt and Dr. Mercola at:
 
http://www.biopureu
s.com/store. html
 
http://www.selfheal th.co.uk/ Cleansing- Detox-according-
to-Dr-Dietrich- Klinghardt- MD-PhD.html

 http://74.125. 47.132/search? q=cache:Cqjdl4C0 xGAJ:www.
klinghardtneurob iology.com/ KlinghardtAutism 2008Derksen. pdf+klinghardt+
mercury+detox+ OSR+protocol& cd=9&hl=en& ct=clnk&gl=
us&client= firefox-a
> Notes – DK
2008 Autism Conference Deitrich Klinghardt,
Good luck,
Diane

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Thanks Diane!
Pam

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Hi Marc,
 
I probably should start with my pH measurement, too.  I have yet to do it. Soon.
 
Have a good week,
Pam
 


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Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
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Date: Sunday, March 4, 2012, 4:28 PM



 



> I don’t think Marc ever used pH strips to measure his pH, tho.

Sure I have!

I remember the days when my saliva pH was around 5.0 (which is
way too low). Last time I checked it (maybe a year ago), it
was more like 6.5.

... the only problem with pH paper is that the colors I see
on the paper rarely match any color on the "key".

Marc







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> I probably should start with my pH measurement, too.  I have yet to do it. Soon.

I never figured out how people get accurate readings with pH strips.  I mean,
I have what are supposed to be the best strips sold, and yet when I
took my saliva pH this morning (since we'd be discussing this), the
reading could be interpreted as either 6.75, 6.50, or 6.25.  

Although, perhaps that's "good enough", since these are all higher
than 5.0... :-)

Marc

Hi Sean,
 
I will have to check out your links.  I appreciate your position and want to state that I also do not believe that all will succumb to the dire condition of EHS.  But I will state this, muscle testing has proven that microwave raditiation weakens the system 100% of the time.  Cells are known to entrophy. 
 
Whether or not our physical precursors will align us to become EHS will depend on our various exposures and sensitivities.  People may not become overtly EHS as we are, but they may still develop symptoms in alignment with their own precursors whether they be stress factors, genetic factors or environmental factors.  We each have a different threshold for what our bodies will allow.
 
I became intolerant to refined sugars in my twenties.  I had to stop eating cakes, cookies, candies, desserts of most kinds because the amount of sweets I subjected myself to as a child crossed that threshold.  My intestinal flora was depleted and imbalances ensued.
 
Some people will eat sweets gluttonously thier entire lives.  They may go on to develop other life endangering illnesses and be put on medications for the rest of their lives.  We all know of these circumstances.
 
In the past 12 months, I have seen 3 of my former students admitted to the neuro unit that I work on with onset seizure disorder, two of them were only 19.  The fact is, science knows that cell phone radiation excites corticol activity (which also causes seizures) but science won't acknowledge that onset seizure disorder could have been caused by the patient's neuro thresholds being crossed by excessive cell phone usage. We may never know.  They don't suffer from EHS, but they may have suffered far worse in the short term.
 
I am not one to think that everyone will suffer from the effects of prolific microwave exposures at frequencies we know little about.  But I believe that a general statistic probably hangs around 10%.  If only 3% of those surveyed admitted to being ES, then there will be ample room to grow towards that 10%. 
 
I also would like to think that over time the human genome can adapt to the higher levels of EMR because that's what we do, we adapt.  Remember that disease "sickle cell anemia?"  Basically, it is a mutation that over time emerged to protect the population of people exposed to malaria.  If only one of your parents have the sickle cell trait, then you would be immuned from malaria.  But the side effect is that if both of your parents have the trait you could develop chronic sickle cell anemia.
 
I believe that there is no greater protection or prevention than nature.  But it's what people do to and with nature that always seems to create problems for someone, somewhere.
 
I believe our suffering may serve the world, but if not-- it at least serves in alerting us to make the necessary changes to improve our own personal health conditions.  One hopes to be made healthier, overall.
 
Have a great week!
Pam

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Subject: [eSens] Re: Is Cured Being Safe?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 6:22 AM



 





While I agree with most of what you are saying, that all people exposed to the radiation are experiencing adverse biological effects in some form, sensitive or not, I don't agree with what you seem to be saying that the more resistant are going to experience the same effects as the sensitive. If your body is experiencing the pain, dizziness, agitation, stress etc from EMF on a daily basis, then your immune system isn't working as well as the non-sensitive, so how can they experience damage equal to the sensitive?

Some researchers have put forward that that the sensitivity of cells to EMFs varies with how out of balance they are, and especially the immune system cells. So, cells in a healty body, in homeostasis, won't experience as much as the adverse effects. E.g.:

" Cells in a metabolically stable state can counteract the weak initial cellular changes induced by EMFs so that no long-term biological changes occur. On the other hand, cells in a homeostatically unstable state, induced for instance by stress or disease, can be further brought out of balance, so that exposure to EMFs will lead to biologically relevant changes in the metabolic pathways."

See:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/e7302686214j1g14/fulltext.pdf

Or
"there is no substantial influence of low-intensity EHF EMR on a normally functioning cell, but if the functioning of the cell is disturbed, even weak external influences can change its metabolic profile. "

See:

http://www.salzburg.gv.at/en/2001_kositsky_et_al._-_ussr_review-2.pdf

While I disagree with the first piece that no adverse biological changes occur in healthy cells/people, it makes sense that that they are more resistant to adverse effects.

Sean.


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Unknown territory for me, Marc.  I'll have to let you know about that one.
 
Pam

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Becoming Symptom-Free
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 2:49 PM



 



> I probably should start with my pH measurement, too.  I have yet to do it. Soon.

I never figured out how people get accurate readings with pH strips. I mean,
I have what are supposed to be the best strips sold, and yet when I
took my saliva pH this morning (since we'd be discussing this), the
reading could be interpreted as either 6.75, 6.50, or 6.25.

Although, perhaps that's "good enough", since these are all higher
than 5.0... :-)

Marc







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Sean,

Thank you for presenting some very good studies on this subject.

Yes I said that all people exposed
to the radiation are experiencing adverse biological effects in some
form, sensitive or not.  But I did not necessarily say that the more resistant are going to experience the same health effects and damage as the
more reactive or more sensitive.  I said that ES people have weakened resistance, and as we know too well, weakened resistance goes hand in hand with weakened immune system.

I said this:
>>"ES people may have had higher exposure and/or had more contributing
factors that weakened their resistance to the exposure. ES is just a
matter of how strong your RESISTANCE is to a toxic exposure."


And then t I did say this:

>> I know of no studies that have shown if strong resistance (no
synptoms) is equivalent to less damaging effect from the radiation than
weak resistance (having symptoms)." 

The studies you present appear to indicate this correlation.

Clearly, ES people are having a higher level of physical collapse and lifestyle disruption than non ES people 

In this thread, we are hoping to verify this:

***Do Electorsensitivity symptoms indicate that the individual experiencing the symptoms is sustaining more damage from EMF exposure than someone who is not experiencing any symptoms?***  (The answer seems obvious, as you so astutely observed.)

I will be gone until the end of March, so I cannot respond to your email to the extent that I would like.  I will revisit the subject later on after I review the studies.   But thank you so much for your intelligent well thought out response. 


C. Johnson
[hidden email]
Wireless Refugee


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While I agree with most of what you are saying, that all people exposed to the radiation are experiencing adverse biological effects in some form, sensitive or not, I don't agree with what you seem to be saying that the more resistant are going to experience the same effects as the sensitive. If your body is experiencing the pain, dizziness, agitation, stress etc from EMF on a daily basis, then your immune system  isn't working as well as the non-sensitive, so how can they experience damage equal to the sensitive?



Some researchers have put forward that that the sensitivity of cells to EMFs varies with how out of balance they are, and especially the immune system cells. So, cells in a healty body, in homeostasis, won't experience as much as the adverse effects. E.g.:



" Cells in a metabolically stable state can counteract the weak initial cellular changes induced by EMFs so that no long-term biological changes occur. On the other hand, cells in a homeostatically unstable state, induced for instance by stress or disease, can be further brought out of balance, so that exposure to EMFs will lead to biologically relevant changes in the metabolic pathways."



See:



http://www.springerlink.com/content/e7302686214j1g14/fulltext.pdf



Or

"there is no substantial influence of low-intensity EHF EMR on a normally functioning cell, but if the functioning of the cell is disturbed, even weak external influences can change its metabolic profile. "



See:



http://www.salzburg.gv.at/en/2001_kositsky_et_al._-_ussr_review-2.pdf



While I disagree with the first piece that no adverse biological changes occur in healthy cells/people, it makes sense that that they are more resistant to adverse effects.



Sean.

 
 

 
 
 



     




     

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> there are many signs and indicators that our society is a product
> of the 30 years plus of exposure to damaging wireless technologies.

Not sure where you've established any cause and effect -- you
really can't say for sure how much EMF is a factor in common
illnesses.

I see this all the time in the health articles.  People blame society's
health problems on whatever they like:

  -- junk food
  -- vaccines
  -- EMF
  -- parasites
  -- antibiotics
  -- prescription drugs
  -- chemtrails
  -- lyme

So we really can't blame everything on EMF -- or if we do, we shouldn't
be taken too seriously... :-)

Marc