SSD drives - worth the cost for emf-reduction?

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> Hi Svetaswan,
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> You mention dizzy and light-headed,
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> I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144):
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> Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to loseweight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content.
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> He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day.
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> About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist onthis. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you havehypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high).
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> I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat onlylow-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners).
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> For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the lastyear and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies).
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> greets,
> Stephen.
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> --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote:
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> > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll takeall of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy.
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> > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs uponthat biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reactionto certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically inthe "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, whenI had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had "plummeted"

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> > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe?
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> > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (orat the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :)
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> > ~Svetaswan
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> > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than Ithought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.
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> > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
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> > > Hi, Svetaswan,
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> > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them the "Normals".  It makes it sound so much more Orwellian.  ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. 
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> > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and usethat if you do for "proof".  I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms(as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell anyone what youare doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
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> > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs.  Myheart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most people will agree that you can't psychologically controltanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be able to find temperature changes, bloodsugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If you

> > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
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> > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures.  With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows.  When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up.  You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, andto some degree it can do this often.  So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works.  I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long term exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
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> > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't.  It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.  Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good info here in the past year to share with others.  Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
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> > > I wish you the best,
> > > Diane
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> > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
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> > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
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> > > Hi Stephen,
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> > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses.
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> > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
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> > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.)
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> > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were"ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing.
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> > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone inthe case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.
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> > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, whichis in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECTtechnology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I'venever noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed anysymptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed andsaid "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it, though!
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> Hi, Svetaswan,
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> Sorry I am so far behind in my email.  Just getting to this post youaddressed to me 10 days ago!  (Sorry this is long, but I amrelating various problems we here mention often in one email.)
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> As to your question on whether I know a direct relationship between anemia and ES....
> Well, I know a very good indirect relationship--celiac disease/gluten intolerance.  Also, later in this email I will try to explain a relationship which may relate to ironâ€"namely tight junction channelopathy which goes along with your Andy Cutler theory. 
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> With CD/GI, the gut/gut tjs (tight junctions) are often damaged at the very place iron is carried across into your blood (this is also true of B12, and various other nutrients.  This thwarts proper uptake of the iron and B12, etc, into the cells and so iron, etc, often ends up getting dumped un-usably into the blood stream.  This is due to the nutrients lacking the proper carrier proteins to get them into the cells.  (For me, this constant iron dumping into the blood stream also led to too much iron in the liver and liver cirrhosis.) 
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> CD is a genetic disease which causes the protein, zonulin, to be releasedin abnormally high amounts when a person with the necessary genes consumes more than 50 parts/million of a gluten-containing food (I suspect the 50ppm is not exactly correct, but this is a long and controverial subject.  I find it is just best to avoid ALL GLUTEN  and  gluten contaminations). 
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> ANYWAY....  when zonulin is released in the abnormally high amounts,it causes the tjs (tight junctions) of the gut to open.  Once the zonulin and glutens enter the blood stream, they become "ZOT"--"zonulin occulttoxin".  The ZOT then attacks the tjs of particular organs and the blood-brain barrier.  How does this play into ES, you ask?  Research has been done which suggests that EMFS also do the same thing--they open the tjs of the bbb (and possibly other organs.  I am not sure whether anyone knows this at this time, whether other organs' tjs are affected or just the BBB).  But that is not the ONLY connection with ES.  (Read on.) 
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> TJs are not supposed to open.  And in CD/some GIs (gluten intolerances), the tjs can eventually get damaged to the extent that they no longer close.  This is called "ion channelopathy" disease.  I mean, opening tjs and tjs which no longer close are a type of ion channelopathy disease.  There are at least 100 currently known channelopathy diseases.  Many of those relate specifically to in-operational tjs.  I have long noticed a relationship between people who get ES and a tendency toward gluten intolerance here at this forum.  I am *not* saying that everyone here has celiac disease or gluten-intolerance.  I am saying that everyone here has similarities in tight junction dysfunction and POSSIBLY some here have also celiac disease or gluten intolerance.  There are, however, also various bacteria and cigularia (a fish toxin) which cause ZOT and tj damage.  
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> I would give you, Sveta, a higher than average probability of CD/GI or one of these other zot issues, due to your also having the serious problems with anemia that you have mentioned.  It is worth a testto see, Sveta, if you haven't yet gone there, but you cannot have accurate blood tests or biopsy once you go gf.  (Actually I do remember reading that you are going gf, the question tho is whether you are TOTALLY gf.  For those with extensive tj bbb damage, it is likely they would need to even go gf with toiletries/etc and eat only foods made in a dedicatedfacility to avoid glutens, but unfortunately, the tests might still not beaccurate.)  If you ever have problems sticking to the gf diet, Sveta,just remember that CD and GIs are notorious for causing various organ diseases, and in particular, auto-immune diseases.  CD led to my pancreas,liver, and lung problems before I was dxed.  I nearly died from liverfailure and anaphylaxis multiple
> times.  I also had osteoporosis and multiple auto-immune and other nutritional diseases.  [Of course, this is only true if you are so unlucky as to possess the genes!  But needless to say, I have plenty of impetus to keep me on the straight and narrow.  ;)]
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> Following the tj channelopathy idea a bit further down the road.... CFS/ME is thought to be channelopathy related.  It looks like CFS/ME is sometimes (for at least a subset of people) a result of ANS disorder (autonomic nervous system disorder) or adrenal dysfunction.  ANS disorder, for me, is caused directly by emfs and it worsens, as well, with gluten consumption.  Your fatigue could be ANS disorder related (especially if you later can prove a connection with falling blood pressure).  The blood sugar is also related to this, as is chills, sweats, heart palps, temp changes, etc....  There is also an adrenal/ hormonal connection…. 
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> As I understand it, the adrenals send serotonin signals out to communicate between the hypothalamus and autonomic nervous system, but serotonin is being “dumped”, metabolically in some people with CFS/ME.  That is to say, high serotonin metabolites are being found in the urineof some people with CFS/ME.  (I am one of those people.)  The ANS/sympathetic ns do not then work correctly for these people.  It is not understood whether this is caused by excess stress or faulty communication in the body or…  The adrenals and lymphatics also use all the same nutrients, so if one system is over worked, the other will also suffer.  I see fibromyalgia as a problem directly connected with a dysfunctional lymphatic system.  So you see, it all goes round and round.  All is connected. 
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> In searching channelopathy and tj research, one can see multiple ways ourvarious health problems interconnect.  Metals are not utilized and donot store correctly in people with tj channelopathy often, either.   If memory serves, this takes place due to a deficiency in metalothionienes which causes mercury/some other metal hoarding and odd other metal storage issues.  Often tj proteins are also faultyâ€"especially the claudens proteins.  Faulty claudens proteins have their own dysfunctionality associated with them; for one thing, the polarity of cells become reversed.  It is complicated, but all is intertwined, like a massive health labyrinth.
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> Sorry to hear about your anemia woes, Sveta!  I can relate, having nearly died several times, from age 18 to 49, from anemias (pernicious and iron-deficiency).  My ferritin level was sometimes as low as 2 on the same ferritin test you mention.  Btw, I don't know if this will relate to you or not, but the hematologist found that my hemoglobin count was an inaccurate test for iron, for me.  Apparently, from years of anemia, mybody found a new way to utilize iron--sort of like "automatic direct with-drawal" from a savings account in a bank.  When I got seriously low in ferritin iron, my hemoglobin was still often quite high, as a result.  I mention this because many docs these days use ONLY the hemoglobin count as a reliable measure.  If hemoglobin is high in relation to the actual ferritin stores, you could find yourself near death before a doctor would notice it.  [The importance of this was brought home to me last year when I accidently
> severed an artery and my ER docs couldn't figure out why my hemoglobin count was not tanking after 4 hours of unsuccessfully trying to stop my bleeding!  (Obviously I was not gushing for 4 hours, but they could not totally stop bleeding for 4 hours/most of that time I was tourniqueted.)]
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> You ask specifically if your reaction at the Apple Store sounded like blood-pressure plummeting.  Well, no, if you have anemia, it is likely anemia--but they feel alot alike.  If you have a feeling of internal bodily "pressure" which accompanies these other feelings you describe, then it could be blood pressure related.  The "pressure" comes from yourbody trying to raise your bp back up, often not adequately or even totallyfailing to do so.
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> I have also read of the connection you mention re Andy Cutler's theory.  I have no concrete info on that to send right now other than what I have just shared, but if I stumble back upon it I will try to rememberto send it to you.  It makes sense and fits right into the tj profileof metal hoarding and then having storage issues with other metals, which is already known to exist.  I have asked many times in the past if others wanted me to share my specific tj research findings (as I find it; after I find it and move on, all I have is a file of honking long research studies!)  Until recently, nobody seemed interested in any of this research so I never sent specifics.  If I know people actually will read it, I will share excerpts and sites as I find them.
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> Sorry, speaking of honking long!  Lololol…..
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> Best wishes,
> Diane
> --- On Tue, 5/18/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote:
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> From: svetaswan <svetaswan@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 12:27 AM
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> Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy.
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> You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rateover the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when Ihad bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had "plummeted" to
> about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at leasthasn't improved.
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> My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levelscan plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
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> During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was goingto faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happenedwhile I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I
> wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction.
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> But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of thelaptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe?
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> Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :)
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> ~Svetaswan
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> P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.
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> --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
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> > Hi, Svetaswan,
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> > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them the "Normals".  It makes it sound so much more Orwellian.  ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. 
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> > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof".  I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
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> > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If you find
> > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
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> > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures.  With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows.  When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up.  You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and tosome degree it can do this often.  So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works.  I oftencan get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long term exposures are more meaningful.  After awhile, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
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> > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't.  It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.  Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good info here in the past year to share with others.  Don't give reams of info--just oneor 2 good articles at a time.
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> > I wish you the best,
> > Diane
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> > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
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> > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
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> > Hi Stephen,
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> > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses.
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> > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
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> > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation withmy Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.)
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> > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may beahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive thanthe U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing.
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> > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.
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> > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it, though!
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> Hi, Svetaswan,
> Â
> Sorry I am so far behind in my email. Just getting to this post you
> addressed to me 10 days ago! (Sorry this is long, but I am relating
> various problems we here mention often in one email.)
> Â
> As to your question on whether I know a direct relationship between anemia
> and ES....
> Well, I know a very good indirect relationship--celiac disease/gluten
> intolerance. Also, later in this email I will try to explain a
> relationship which may relate to ironâ?"namely tight junction
> channelopathy which goes along with your Andy Cutler theory.Â
> Â
> With CD/GI, the gut/gut tjs (tight junctions) are often damaged at the
> very place iron is carried across into your blood (this is also true of
> B12, and various other nutrients. This thwarts proper uptake of the iron
> and B12, etc, into the cells and so iron, etc, often ends up getting
> dumped un-usably into the blood stream. This is due to the nutrients
> lacking the proper carrier proteins to get them into the cells. (For me,
> this constant iron dumping into the blood stream also led to too much iron
> in the liver and liver cirrhosis.)Â
> Â
> CD is a genetic disease which causes the protein, zonulin, to be released
> in abnormally high amounts when a person with the necessary genesÂ
> consumes more than 50 parts/million of a gluten-containing food (I suspect
> the 50ppm is not exactly correct, but this is a long and controverial
> subject. I find it is just best to avoid ALL GLUTEN and gluten
> contaminations).Â
> Â
> ANYWAY.... when zonulin is released in the abnormally high amounts, it
> causes the tjs (tight junctions) of the gut to open. Once the zonulin and
> glutens enter the blood stream, they become "ZOT"--"zonulin occult
> toxin".  The ZOT then attacks the tjs of particular organs and the
> blood-brain barrier.  How does this play into ES, you ask? Research has
> been done which suggests that EMFS also do the same thing--they open the
> tjs of the bbb (and possibly other organs. I am not sure whether anyone
> knows this at this time, whether other organs' tjs are affected or just
> the BBB).  But that is not the ONLY connection with ES. (Read on.)Â
> Â
> TJs are not supposed to open. And in CD/some GIs (gluten intolerances),
> the tjs can eventually get damaged to the extent that they no longerÂ
> close. This is called "ion channelopathy" disease. I mean, opening tjs
> and tjs which no longer close are a type of ion channelopathy disease.Â
> There are at least 100 currently known channelopathy diseases. Many of
> those relate specifically to in-operational tjs. I have long noticed a
> relationship between people who get ES and a tendency toward gluten
> intolerance here at this forum. I am *not* saying that everyone here has
> celiac disease or gluten-intolerance. I am saying that everyone here has
> similarities in tight junction dysfunction and POSSIBLY some here have
> also celiac disease or gluten intolerance. There are, however, also
> various bacteria and cigularia (a fish toxin) which cause ZOT and tj
> damage. Â
> Â
> I would give you, Sveta, a higher than average probability of CD/GI or
> one of these other zot issues, due to your also having the serious
> problems with anemia that you have mentioned. It is worth a test to see,
> Sveta, if you haven't yet gone there, but you cannot have accurate blood
> tests or biopsy once you go gf. (Actually I do remember reading that you
> are going gf, the question tho is whether you are TOTALLY gf. For those
> with extensive tj bbb damage, it is likely they would need to even go gf
> with toiletries/etc and eat only foods made in a dedicated facility to
> avoid glutens, but unfortunately, the tests might still not be accurate.)Â
> If you ever have problems sticking to the gf diet, Sveta, just remember
> that CD and GIs are notorious for causing various organ diseases, and in
> particular, auto-immune diseases. CD led to my pancreas, liver, and lung
> problems before I was dxed. I nearly died from liver failure and
> anaphylaxis multiple
> times. I also had osteoporosis and multiple auto-immune and other
> nutritional diseases. [Of course, this is only true if you are so unlucky
> as to possess the genes! But needless to say, I have plenty of impetus to
> keep me on the straight and narrow. ;)]
> Â
> Following the tj channelopathy idea a bit further down the road.... CFS/ME
> is thought to be channelopathy related. It looks like CFS/ME is sometimes
> (for at least a subset of people) a result of ANS disorder (autonomic
> nervous system disorder) or adrenal dysfunction. ANS disorder, for me, is
> caused directly by emfs and it worsens, as well, with gluten consumption.Â
> Your fatigue could be ANS disorder related (especially if you later can
> prove a connection with falling blood pressure). The blood sugar is also
> related to this, as is chills, sweats, heart palps, temp changes, etc....Â
> There is also an adrenal/Â hormonal connectionâ?¦.Â
> Â
> As I understand it, the adrenals send serotonin signals out to communicate
> between the hypothalamus and autonomic nervous system, but serotonin is
> being â?odumpedâ?, metabolically in some people with CFS/ME. That is to
> say, high serotonin metabolites are being found in the urine of some
> people with CFS/ME. (I am one of those people.) The ANS/sympathetic ns
> do not then work correctly for these people. It is not understood whether
> this is caused by excess stress or faulty communication in the body orâ?¦Â
> The adrenals and lymphatics also use all the same nutrients, so if one
> system is over worked, the other will also suffer. I see fibromyalgia as
> a problem directly connected with a dysfunctional lymphatic system. So
> you see, it all goes round and round. All is connected.Â
> Â
> In searching channelopathy and tj research, one can see multiple ways our
> various health problems interconnect. Metals are not utilized and do not
> store correctly in people with tj channelopathy often, either.  If
> memory serves, this takes place due to a deficiency in metalothionienes
> which causes mercury/some other metal hoarding and odd other metal
> storage issues. Often tj proteins are also faultyâ?"especially the
> claudens proteins. Faulty claudens proteins have their own
> dysfunctionality associated with them; for one thing, the polarity of
> cells become reversed. It is complicated, but all is intertwined, like a
> massive health labyrinth.
> Â
> Sorry to hear about your anemia woes, Sveta! I can relate, having nearly
> died several times, from age 18 to 49, from anemias (pernicious and
> iron-deficiency). My ferritin level was sometimes as low as 2 on the same
> ferritin test you mention. Btw, I don't know if this will relate to you
> or not, but the hematologist found that my hemoglobin count was an
> inaccurate test for iron, for me. Apparently, from years of anemia, my
> body found a new way to utilize iron--sort of like "automatic direct
> with-drawal" from a savings account in a bank. When I got seriously low
> in ferritin iron, my hemoglobin was still often quite high, as a result.Â
> I mention this because many docs these days use ONLY the hemoglobin count
> as a reliable measure. If hemoglobin is high in relation to the actual
> ferritin stores, you could find yourself near death before a doctor would
> notice it. [The importance of this was brought home to me last year when
> I accidently
> severed an artery and my ER docs couldn't figure out why my hemoglobin
> count was not tanking after 4 hours of unsuccessfully trying to stop my
> bleeding! (Obviously I was not gushing for 4 hours, but they could not
> totally stop bleeding for 4 hours/most of that time I was
> tourniqueted.)]
> Â
> You ask specifically if your reaction at the Apple Store sounded like
> blood-pressure plummeting. Well, no, if you have anemia, it is likely
> anemia--but they feel alot alike. If you have a feeling of internal
> bodily "pressure" which accompanies these other feelings you describe,
> then it could be blood pressure related. The "pressure" comes from your
> body trying to raise your bp back up, often not adequately or even totally
> failing to do so.
> Â
> I have also read of the connection you mention re Andy Cutler's theory. I
> have no concrete info on that to send right now other than what I have
> just shared, but if I stumble back upon it I will try to remember to send
> it to you. It makes sense and fits right into the tj profile of metal
> hoarding and then having storage issues with other metals, which is
> already known to exist. I have asked many times in the past if others
> wanted me to share my specific tj research findings (as I find it; after I
> find it and move on, all I have is a file of honking long research
> studies!)Â Until recently, nobody seemed interested in any of this
> research so I never sent specifics. If I know people actually will read
> it, I will share excerpts and sites as I find them.
> Â
> Sorry, speaking of honking long! Lololol�..
> Â
> Best wishes,
> Diane
> --- On Tue, 5/18/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote:
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> From: svetaswan <svetaswan@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 12:27 AM
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> Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take
> all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts
> as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have
> debilitatingly low mental energy.
>
> You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon
> that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and
> anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a
> seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my
> body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A
> couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin,
> hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however
> "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in
> the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway -
> because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time -
> the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by
> some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about
> a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were
> below normal, and my ferritin had "plummeted" to
> about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these
> values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010)
> bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten
> worse - or at least hasn't improved.
>
> My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with
> a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious
> way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 -
> and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has
> really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia.
> Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron
> levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative
> stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is
> mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic
> toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm
> wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump"
> iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
>
> During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something
> "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme
> fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became
> cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad
> that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench
> in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making
> it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store
> entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made
> me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs
> felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to
> "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook
> Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a
> Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of,
> say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I
> wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction.
>
> But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the
> laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure
> that you describe?
>
> Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at
> the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was
> Stephen! :)
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
> P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also
> noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than
> I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to
> developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message)
> about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar
> levels.
>
> --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
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> > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > Â
> > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these
> > problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.Â
> > (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so
> > much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in
> > the past year or two in some public opinion.Â
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> > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use
> > that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us haveÂ
> > noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our
> > symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so
> > easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you
> > are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are
> > imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
> > Â
> > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor
> > yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you,
> > and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate
> > goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will
> > agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes
> > up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is
> > the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you
> > might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,
> > respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I
> > also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check
> > them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)Â If you
> > experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit
> > temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less
> > profound finding than tanking bp. If you find
> > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for
> > ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from
> > electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> > Â
> > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp
> > is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it
> > can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that
> > with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp
> > tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp
> > back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will
> > also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some
> > degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over a
> > long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can get
> > the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a
> > couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up.Â
> > This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my
> > body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
> > Â
> > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes
> > an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get
> > people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as
> > you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share
> > with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding greenÂ
> > (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share
> > with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a
> > time.
> > Â
> > I wish you the best,
> > Diane
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> > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
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> > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
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> > Hi Stephen,
> >
> > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;)
> > Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these
> > so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about
> > the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're
> > actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there
> > are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions
> > that harm the masses.
> >
> > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most
> > effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has
> > contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult
> > for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> >
> > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with
> > my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He
> > still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive
> > the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a
> > couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just
> > idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it
> > will be at least June/July before it's done.)
> >
> > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were
> > "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally
> > validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe
> > may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on -
> > the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more
> > progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public
> > welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is
> > over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish,
> > profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that
> > all of this "technological progress" is doing.
> >
> > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My
> > sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so
> > I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in
> > my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to
> > turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the
> > company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to
> > hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless
> > signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our
> > phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not
> > being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a
> > really messed-up situation.
> >
> > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back
> > in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station,
> > which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone
> > uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous",
> > lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at
> > least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became
> > more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of
> > months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being right
> > beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep
> > difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid
> > of it, though!
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> Thanks, Sveta!
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> I did not know this about the self test!  I have had the pupil response you describe for years.  I often notice it without being in a closet, etc.  That said, I doubt that I would have it 100% of the time.  The same is true with the bp problems.  Even I (tho I have very noticeable and profound bp plummeting often) sometimes react completely normally.  If you feel the "pressure" I mentioned in the last email, try to take your bp then.  Just because you some time ago or even sometimes react normally, it doesn't rule out that you sometimes do not (especially around particular emfs).
>  
> As to your intolerance of iron, yet your obvious lack of iron....  If you remember what I wrote last email about iron dumping un-usably into the blood stream and then poisoning the liver, that would account for the intolerance, but need.  When I had a ferritin count of 2, I had anaphylaxis and I nearly died in the doc's office, to ferritin injections.  My body had sensitized itself so completely to iron in any form, dueto the degree of my liver failure, that the only way we could stabilize myiron was thru blood transfusions from family members. 
>  
> Which reminds me of someone else here.... Stephen!  Stephen, you have various problems like this.  Intolerance to manganese, and someblood tests which are too high, tho often findings of the opposite inhair samples.  Same with sodium chloride....  Maybe your gut is the real problem!  Obviously I have, in the past 10 years, had a great deal of good gut intervention, not just a gf diet.  It's not easy, but it can be done.  Gf diet, gut flora, nutrients all play a part.  BTW, Sveta, celiac researchers have found that SIBO (small intestinal bowel overgrowth) often accompanies untreated CD.  Some docs think this is also true of candida overgrowths.
>  
> I would specifically love to see ES research done to clear up whether emfs affect the gut, lungs, and liver and whether people with tj dysfunction are THE ONLY people who get our particular brand of ES.  (I am of the mind that many more people have ES, it is just not the kind which is as readily noticeable.)
>  
> Thanks again for the info, Sveta,
> Diane
>
> --- On Tue, 5/18/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote:
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> From: svetaswan <svetaswan@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - adrenal fatigue & anemia
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:52 PM
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> Thanks so much David for the feedback and for the ideas. Yeah - I've suspected that I've been in some stage of adrenal fatigue for a few years now. I've been trying to read up on it (my feeble mind permitting), and I've done a few saliva tests. The results weren't exactly straightforwardly indicative of adrenal problems...but test results can be complex....and, dependingon how you interpret the results, one could possibly find adrenal fatigue "hidden" within my results.
>
> One credo goes, "You treat the patient, not the lab results..."
>
> There are at least a couple of practical self-tests that supposedly - depending on what the result of these self-tests are - are suggestive of adrenal fatigue. On one of the tests, you stand in a dark room (so that your pupils respond to the lack of light by dialating) - then shine a flashlight directly in one eye to see how your pupil responds. If your pupil doesn't stay contracted, it's supposedly suggestive of adrenal fatigue. Well, every time I do this test - my pupil doesn't stay contracted - it actually goes back to a dialated position after a few seconds. So I "fail" (or pass?) this test every time. But could there be some other explanation why my pupil responds this way, besides adrenal fatigue?
>
> But whenever I've done the second self-test - which tests blood pressure - I pretty much get the opposite result that you should get if you have adrenal fatigue. It's the test where you lie down for several minutes - then stand up to see how your body/blood pressure responds. If you stand up and feel lightheaded, dizzy, and/or "weak" - or if your blood pressure doesn't increase - it's suggestive of adrenal fatigue. Well, when I've done this test in the past - I don't really experience any lightheaded or dizzy feelings. One time (a few years ago), I even had someone test my blood pressure during this test - and it responded normally.
>
> So, unless my adrenal fatigue has progressed to the point where I'm now experiencing the associated blood pressure problems (which is very possible,I guess) - I'm inclined to think my spells of lightheadedness/weakness arecaused by something else....like anemia(?). I'm just trying to keep my mind open to other possibilities - it could be adrenal fatigue, or some other issue.
>
> Maybe I should do that blood pressure test again. It seems that the otherday, I lay on the floor of my bedroom for at least 30 minutes - and when Itried to get up, I experienced that "dizzy", "weak" feeling. Anemia? Adrenal fatigue? Combination of both? Something else entirely?
>
> Another "clue" that seems to indicate anemia is - when you donate blood (via the Red Cross, for ex.) - nurses and other volunteers will often stand around you when you're done, and assist you in getting out of the recliningchair - just in case you're too weak to stand. This exact thing happened to me a few years ago when I donated blood - a male employee assisted me in getting up out of the chair, asked me if I was feeling o.k., etc.. At that point, I felt pretty good - despite having just given up a quart (?) of my blood!
>
> I've been wanting to try some Adrenal Cortical Extract (ACE) - which seems to be pretty popular at a mercury-chelation group that I've visited in the past. But for some reason, I have it fixed in my head that I should deal with my computer/emf issues before I proceed with addressing underlying biological problems - this may be illogical, but I'm somehow focused on dealing with emr. I realize that it's possible that, if I take something to improve my adrenal function - I could have a similar response that you have had.My emf problems could diminish.
>
> You mean to tell me that you could now trade in your Asrock Nettop for a huge Mac Pro tower, or the most offensive Dell laptop you can find (complete with wireless connectivity) - and still be o.k.? ;) Maybe if I got some cortisol in me, I wouldn't have to agonize over a computer purchase anymore - I could just buy any computer I want. One could dream. ;)
>
> And finally, I realize that there are "alternative" explanations for anemia - i.e. low manganese (as you said). I've also heard/read about how an imbalance of gut flora could cause/contribute to the problem. Sometimes, taking iron supplements isn't the best way to fix anemia - it seems as though I've learned this the hard way. I've had negative reactions to high doses ofiron - heck, here recently, even modest doses of iron have sometimes caused negative reactions. Maybe this is one reason why I feel like I have to deal with the emf problem before I address biological/nutritional issues - because my exposure to emfs could be adding to my "intolerance" of iron supplements. I want to see if some of the problems I've been having get better on their own with less exposure to bad emfs.
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
> --- In [hidden email], "David Clover" <davidc6162@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Svetaswan,
> >
> >
> >
> > Sounds like you may have adrenal issues. If you have these you will
> > encounter low blood pressure issues, and experience dizziness, and get
> > light-heads. I had this problem last year, which is why I became
> > electrosensitive. Now my adrenals are gradually improving strength, I'm
> > virtually free of issues around EMF.
> >
> >
> >
> > May I recommend the following products and ideas:
> >
> >
> >
> > Deer Antler from Surthrival
> >
> > Colostrum from Suthrival
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www. <http://www.surthrival.com> surthrival.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The deer antler will also help significantly in your anemia problem.
> > Anemia is not solely about iron deficiency. It can also be about shortage
> > of thinks such as manganese which helps your body produce iron or metabolise
> > iron supplements that you take.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kidney and Adrenal Builder from Vitality Herbs and Clay.com
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.vitalityherbsandclay.com/herbs-and-herbal-formulas/view-all-produ
> > cts.html
> >
> >
> >
> > I'd also suggest their Friendly Flora too. This helps provide good bacteria
> > in your body. It's possible that you may have viruses/bacteria in your
> > kidneys/adrenals that are undermining you. If you have any heavy metal
> > issues in your body, their clay products are ideal for dealing with these.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Both websites have great audios online, which will help you understand why
> > the products are good for you. I've had personal experience of using all
> > of them, so I can say they do definitely work/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It's also crucial to get a better quality of sleep so to re-charge yourself.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I can provide some more ideas if this helps
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > svetaswan
> > Sent: 18 May 2010 05:27
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll takeall
> > of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as
> > thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have
> > debilitatingly low mental energy.
> >
> > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs uponthat
> > biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia?
> > I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate
> > over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to
> > certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't
> > "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in
> > the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the
> > "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or thatI
> > may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low(it
> > was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10-
> > 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.).
> > Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count,
> > hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had
> > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels
> > of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010)
> > bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse -
> > or at least hasn't improved.
> >
> > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a
> > problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way.
> > Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - andmy
> > bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really
> > made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew
> > Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can
> > plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess
> > iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even
> > "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So
> > the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic
> > radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons
> > (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
> >
> > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something
> > "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme
> > fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became
> > cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad
> > that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in
> > the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to
> > the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance.I
> > had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraidthat
> > I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone".I
> > thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right
> > when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times,
> > it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could*
> > have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, but it
> > didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this
> > reaction.
> >
> > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the
> > laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressurethat
> > you describe?
> >
> > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (orat
> > the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was
> > Stephen! :)
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
> > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also
> > noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I
> > thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing
> > diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad
> > emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Evie
> > <evie15422@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > >
> > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems
> > you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I
> > like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian.
> > ;) ) But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in
> > some public opinion.
> > >
> > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and usethat
> > if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable
> > autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as
> > mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor
> > yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho,
> > until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if
> > you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
> > >
> > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor
> > yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and
> > then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up
> > with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that
> > you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might
> > be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means
> > little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find
> > temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also
> > that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar
> > changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most
> > reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely
> > you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely
> > be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you find
> > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS
> > disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics
> > and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> > >
> > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp
> > is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it cango
> > down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer
> > exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what
> > causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with
> > supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your
> > body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this
> > often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to
> > understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking
> > bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will
> > try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures
> > are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and
> > stresses out.
> > >
> > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an
> > added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get peopleto
> > believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too,
> > Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the
> > warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.
> > We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't
> > give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
> > >
> > > I wish you the best,
> > > Diane
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Stephen,
> > >
> > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;)
> > Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these
> > so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions aboutthe
> > technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually
> > concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other
> > "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the
> > masses.
> > >
> > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective
> > way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this
> > difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to
> > articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> > >
> > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my
> > Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still
> > seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong
> > resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months
> > ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this
> > ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July
> > before it's done.)
> > >
> > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were
> > "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally
> > validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europemay
> > be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the
> > dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive
> > than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe,
> > "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid
> > that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully
> > investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress"
> > is doing.
> > >
> > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My
> > sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I
> > don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my
> > household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn
> > off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that
> > provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone
> > lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering
> > off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get
> > relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via
> > phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.
> > >
> > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in
> > 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in
> > their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT
> > technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've
> > never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my
> > computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue
> > of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any
> > symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and
> > said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean
> > that we shouldn't get rid of it, though!
> > >
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>
> No, it is not only gluten.
>
> Many types of bread contain what we call overhere *bread improver*.
> That means that your bread will act like rubber next week, when you presson
> it.
>
> We have stopped using bread altogether.
> My wife uses rice crackers, and I use wheat crackers.
>
> One should try this and see if you experience a difference.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 3:11 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: GLUTEN, NACL AND EMF (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop -
> WiFi woes)
>
>
> Hi
>
> 1. I definitely agree with Diane's findings on GLUTEN. I've read more on
> this recently. In my opinion not only those "diagnosed" to be intolerant to
> gluten would benefit from eating gluten-free, but EVERYBODY would! Gluten
> are a man-made invention, and not a great one for our health. You can read a
> lot of scientific reports on this, and all these could be summarized in one
> sentence: Glutens in our diet only do bad stuff! It causes tj perm bbb,
> inflammation in the intestines, leaky gut,. and althus a lot of auto-immune
> diseases.
>
> 2. Same thing with salt NaCl (or kitchen salt but also very present in
> sea/Himalayan salt, high mineral waters and processed foods). It's toxic and
> we should avoid it as much as possible. It's the organic Sodium (Na) we need
> not the toxic inorganic NaCl. It is proven that NaCl also opens the tight
> junctions.
>
> 3. And yes also EMF opens the tight junctions. (and blood clogging)
>
>
> SOURCES ON THIS (also in addition to Diane's postings):
>
> 1. GLUTEN
>
> .the more gluten we eat, the greater is the risk of protein fragments
> entering our bloodstream.
> .Disruption of TJ allows harmful substances such as gluten fragments to slip
> through them.
> .The longer we eat gluten, the greater is our risk of developing other
> auto-immune disorders.
>
> www.dfwpsoriasis.org/glutensensitivity.doc
>
> ...Gluten is considered unhealthy for many people because it is a protein
> found in grains such as wheat and barley that can cause an inflammation in
> the intestines...
>
> http://www.ehow.com/video_4738853_gluten-unhealthy.html
>
>
> 2. NACL
>
> .There was a negative correlation between the concentration of NaCl and the
> fraction of intact tight junctions.
> http://erj.ersjournals.com/cgi/content/full/20/6/1444
>
> ...Ingesting inorganic sodium chloride will result in an accumulation of
> sodium outside the cell and will pull water from the cells into the
> extracellular space by virtue of its concentration. In addition, water is
> withdrawn from the tissues in order to neutralize and suspend this toxic
> poison and then it is excreted via various routes (skin, kidneys, bowels,
> etc.). This inorganic mineral is totally unusable by our body and is
> excreted in the same form that it is ingested without being broken down or
> utilized. It creates an unnecessary hardship and wastage of energy on the
> body in general.
>
> ...The body needs sodium, but in small quantities. We get it from the fruits
> and vegetables we eat. Good tomatoes taste a little salty. Celery, spinach
> and dark greens are naturally rich in salt. The sodium that natural foods
> contain is enough to meet our needs. By adding sea salt to our diet, we are
> almost certain to take in too much sodium, and this will lead toseveral
> imbalances...
>
> ...Sea salt is touted as being healthier than table salt because the former
> has more trace minerals and the latter is heat processed. Nonetheless,
> sodium chloride in any form is toxic- it impairs all of our metabolic and
> cellular functions. Because it is toxic, the body retains water to dilute
> the toxicity so we don't die. This is edema, and it can result in headaches
> and heart irregularity. When we are retaining water, the fluid balance in
> the body is out of balance and cellular transport is Impaired. The body
> needs to maintain the fluid pressure inside the cells at a specific ratioto
> the fluid pressure outside of the cells. When we have extra high fluid
> pressure outside of the cells as a result of salt eating, the cells are not
> able to efficiently transport normal metabolic wastes out of the cells, thus
> we become more and more toxic, leading to chronic fatigue and illness.
> Furthermore, the body needs to maintain specific concentration ratios of
> sodium to potassium inside and outside of the cells for proper functioning.
> A high salt diet leads to excess sodium becoming "locked into" cells,
> creating cellular dysfunction. This has been linked to many modern diseases,
> including cancer, diabetes, hardening of arteries, hypertension, kidney
> disease, nervous disorders, and osteoporosis.
>
> As long as we have salt in our diet, we cannot effectively detoxify, lose
> excess weight and completely heal. Once we discontinue salt, it can take as
> many as a few years to offload all of the excess sodium...
>
> http://tribes.tribe.net/goodliving/thread/a5046a04-d910-4cf3-9503-75a867b0c242
>
>
> 3. EMF
>
> EMF causes tj perm. (Andrew Goldsworthy):
>
> http://www.slideshare.net/staywired/andrew-goldsworthy-to-british-society-for-ecological-medicine-at-the-royal-college-of-general-practitioners-presentation
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > Â
> > Sorry I am so far behind in my email. Just getting to this post you
> > addressed to me 10 days ago! (Sorry this is long, but I am relating
> > various problems we here mention often in one email.)
> > Â
> > As to your question on whether I know a direct relationship between anemia
> > and ES....
> > Well, I know a very good indirect relationship--celiac disease/gluten
> > intolerance. Also, later in this email I will try to explain a
> > relationship which may relate to ironâ?"namely tight junction
> > channelopathy which goes along with your Andy Cutler theory.Â
> > Â
> > With CD/GI, the gut/gut tjs (tight junctions) are often damaged at the
> > very place iron is carried across into your blood (this is also trueof
> > B12, and various other nutrients. This thwarts proper uptake of the iron
> > and B12, etc, into the cells and so iron, etc, often ends up getting
> > dumped un-usably into the blood stream. This is due to the nutrients
> > lacking the proper carrier proteins to get them into the cells. (Forme,
> > this constant iron dumping into the blood stream also led to too much iron
> > in the liver and liver cirrhosis.)Â
> > Â
> > CD is a genetic disease which causes the protein, zonulin, to be released
> > in abnormally high amounts when a person with the necessary genesÂ
> > consumes more than 50 parts/million of a gluten-containing food (I suspect
> > the 50ppm is not exactly correct, but this is a long and controverial
> > subject. I find it is just best to avoid ALL GLUTEN and gluten
> > contaminations).Â
> > Â
> > ANYWAY.... when zonulin is released in the abnormally high amounts, it
> > causes the tjs (tight junctions) of the gut to open. Once the zonulin and
> > glutens enter the blood stream, they become "ZOT"--"zonulin occult
> > toxin".  The ZOT then attacks the tjs of particular organs and the
> > blood-brain barrier.  How does this play into ES, you ask? Research has
> > been done which suggests that EMFS also do the same thing--they open the
> > tjs of the bbb (and possibly other organs. I am not sure whether anyone
> > knows this at this time, whether other organs' tjs are affected or just
> > the BBB).  But that is not the ONLY connection with ES. (Read on.)Â
> > Â
> > TJs are not supposed to open. And in CD/some GIs (gluten intolerances),
> > the tjs can eventually get damaged to the extent that they no longerÂ
> > close. This is called "ion channelopathy" disease. I mean, opening tjs
> > and tjs which no longer close are a type of ion channelopathy disease.Â
> > There are at least 100 currently known channelopathy diseases. Many of
> > those relate specifically to in-operational tjs. I have long noticeda
> > relationship between people who get ES and a tendency toward gluten
> > intolerance here at this forum. I am *not* saying that everyone herehas
> > celiac disease or gluten-intolerance. I am saying that everyone herehas
> > similarities in tight junction dysfunction and POSSIBLY some here have
> > also celiac disease or gluten intolerance. There are, however, also
> > various bacteria and cigularia (a fish toxin) which cause ZOT and tj
> > damage. Â
> > Â
> > I would give you, Sveta, a higher than average probability of CD/GI or
> > one of these other zot issues, due to your also having the serious
> > problems with anemia that you have mentioned. It is worth a test to see,
> > Sveta, if you haven't yet gone there, but you cannot have accurate blood
> > tests or biopsy once you go gf. (Actually I do remember reading thatyou
> > are going gf, the question tho is whether you are TOTALLY gf. For those
> > with extensive tj bbb damage, it is likely they would need to even go gf
> > with toiletries/etc and eat only foods made in a dedicated facility to
> > avoid glutens, but unfortunately, the tests might still not be accurate.)Â
> > If you ever have problems sticking to the gf diet, Sveta, just remember
> > that CD and GIs are notorious for causing various organ diseases, and in
> > particular, auto-immune diseases. CD led to my pancreas, liver, and lung
> > problems before I was dxed. I nearly died from liver failure and
> > anaphylaxis multiple
> > times. I also had osteoporosis and multiple auto-immune and other
> > nutritional diseases. [Of course, this is only true if you are so unlucky
> > as to possess the genes! But needless to say, I have plenty of impetus to
> > keep me on the straight and narrow. ;)]
> > Â
> > Following the tj channelopathy idea a bit further down the road.... CFS/ME
> > is thought to be channelopathy related. It looks like CFS/ME is sometimes
> > (for at least a subset of people) a result of ANS disorder (autonomic
> > nervous system disorder) or adrenal dysfunction. ANS disorder, for me, is
> > caused directly by emfs and it worsens, as well, with gluten consumption.Â
> > Your fatigue could be ANS disorder related (especially if you later can
> > prove a connection with falling blood pressure). The blood sugar is also
> > related to this, as is chills, sweats, heart palps, temp changes, etc....Â
> > There is also an adrenal/Â hormonal connectionâ?¦.Â
> > Â
> > As I understand it, the adrenals send serotonin signals out to communicate
> > between the hypothalamus and autonomic nervous system, but serotonin is
> > being â?odumpedâ?, metabolically in some people with CFS/ME. That is to
> > say, high serotonin metabolites are being found in the urine of some
> > people with CFS/ME. (I am one of those people.) The ANS/sympathetic ns
> > do not then work correctly for these people. It is not understood whether
> > this is caused by excess stress or faulty communication in the body orâ?¦Â
> > The adrenals and lymphatics also use all the same nutrients, so if one
> > system is over worked, the other will also suffer. I see fibromyalgia as
> > a problem directly connected with a dysfunctional lymphatic system. So
> > you see, it all goes round and round. All is connected.Â
> > Â
> > In searching channelopathy and tj research, one can see multiple ways our
> > various health problems interconnect. Metals are not utilized and donot
> > store correctly in people with tj channelopathy often, either.  If
> > memory serves, this takes place due to a deficiency in metalothionienes
> > which causes mercury/some other metal hoarding and odd other metal
> > storage issues. Often tj proteins are also faultyâ?"especially the
> > claudens proteins. Faulty claudens proteins have their own
> > dysfunctionality associated with them; for one thing, the polarity of
> > cells become reversed. It is complicated, but all is intertwined, like a
> > massive health labyrinth.
> > Â
> > Sorry to hear about your anemia woes, Sveta! I can relate, having nearly
> > died several times, from age 18 to 49, from anemias (pernicious and
> > iron-deficiency). My ferritin level was sometimes as low as 2 on thesame
> > ferritin test you mention. Btw, I don't know if this will relate to you
> > or not, but the hematologist found that my hemoglobin count was an
> > inaccurate test for iron, for me. Apparently, from years of anemia, my
> > body found a new way to utilize iron--sort of like "automatic direct
> > with-drawal" from a savings account in a bank. When I got seriously low
> > in ferritin iron, my hemoglobin was still often quite high, as a result.Â
> > I mention this because many docs these days use ONLY the hemoglobin count
> > as a reliable measure. If hemoglobin is high in relation to the actual
> > ferritin stores, you could find yourself near death before a doctor would
> > notice it. [The importance of this was brought home to me last year when
> > I accidently
> > severed an artery and my ER docs couldn't figure out why my hemoglobin
> > count was not tanking after 4 hours of unsuccessfully trying to stop my
> > bleeding! (Obviously I was not gushing for 4 hours, but they could not
> > totally stop bleeding for 4 hours/most of that time I was
> > tourniqueted.)]
> > Â
> > You ask specifically if your reaction at the Apple Store sounded like
> > blood-pressure plummeting. Well, no, if you have anemia, it is likely
> > anemia--but they feel alot alike. If you have a feeling of internal
> > bodily "pressure" which accompanies these other feelings you describe,
> > then it could be blood pressure related. The "pressure" comes from your
> > body trying to raise your bp back up, often not adequately or even totally
> > failing to do so.
> > Â
> > I have also read of the connection you mention re Andy Cutler's theory. I
> > have no concrete info on that to send right now other than what I have
> > just shared, but if I stumble back upon it I will try to remember tosend
> > it to you. It makes sense and fits right into the tj profile of metal
> > hoarding and then having storage issues with other metals, which is
> > already known to exist. I have asked many times in the past if others
> > wanted me to share my specific tj research findings (as I find it; after I
> > find it and move on, all I have is a file of honking long research
> > studies!)Â Until recently, nobody seemed interested in any of this
> > research so I never sent specifics. If I know people actually will read
> > it, I will share excerpts and sites as I find them.
> > Â
> > Sorry, speaking of honking long! Lololol�..
> > Â
> > Best wishes,
> > Diane
> > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 12:27 AM
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take
> > all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts
> > as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have
> > debilitatingly low mental energy.
> >
> > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon
> > that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and
> > anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a
> > seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my
> > body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A
> > couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin,
> > hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however
> > "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in
> > the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway -
> > because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time -
> > the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by
> > some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about
> > a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were
> > below normal, and my ferritin had "plummeted" to
> > about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these
> > values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010)
> > bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten
> > worse - or at least hasn't improved.
> >
> > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with
> > a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious
> > way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 -
> > and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has
> > really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia.
> > Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron
> > levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative
> > stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is
> > mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic
> > toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm
> > wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump"
> > iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
> >
> > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something
> > "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme
> > fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became
> > cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad
> > that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench
> > in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making
> > it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store
> > entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made
> > me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs
> > felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decidedto
> > "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook
> > Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a
> > Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of,
> > say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I
> > wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction.
> >
> > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the
> > laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure
> > that you describe?
> >
> > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (orat
> > the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was
> > Stephen! :)
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
> > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also
> > noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than
> > I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to
> > developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message)
> > about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar
> > levels.
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > > Â
> > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these
> > > problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.Â
> > > (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so
> > > much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in
> > > the past year or two in some public opinion.Â
> > > Â
> > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use
> > > that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us haveÂ
> > > noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our
> > > symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so
> > > easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone whatyou
> > > are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are
> > > imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
> > > Â
> > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor
> > > yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you,
> > > and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heartrate
> > > goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will
> > > agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes
> > > up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is
> > > the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you
> > > might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,
> > > respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I
> > > also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check
> > > them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)Â If you
> > > experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit
> > > temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less
> > > profound finding than tanking bp. If you find
> > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for
> > > ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from
> > > electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> > > Â
> > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp
> > > is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it
> > > can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that
> > > with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp
> > > tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp
> > > back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will
> > > also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some
> > > degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over a
> > > long period of time to understand how your body works. I often canget
> > > the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait evena
> > > couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up.Â
> > > This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my
> > > body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
> > > Â
> > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes
> > > an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get
> > > people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer infoas
> > > you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share
> > > with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding greenÂ
> > > (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share
> > > with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articlesat a
> > > time.
> > > Â
> > > I wish you the best,
> > > Diane
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Stephen,
> > >
> > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;)
> > > Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these
> > > so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about
> > > the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're
> > > actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there
> > > are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions
> > > that harm the masses.
> > >
> > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most
> > > effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has
> > > contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult
> > > for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> > >
> > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with
> > > my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He
> > > still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive
> > > the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a
> > > couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just
> > > idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it
> > > will be at least June/July before it's done.)
> > >
> > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were
> > > "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally
> > > validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe
> > > may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on-
> > > the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more
> > > progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public
> > > welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is
> > > over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish,
> > > profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that
> > > all of this "technological progress" is doing.
> > >
> > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My
> > > sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disabilityso
> > > I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone elsein
> > > my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been ableto
> > > turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the
> > > company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to
> > > hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless
> > > signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our
> > > phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not
> > > being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a
> > > really messed-up situation.
> > >
> > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back
> > > in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station,
> > > which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone
> > > uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous",
> > > lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at
> > > least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became
> > > more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of
> > > months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being right
> > > beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep
> > > difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid
> > > of it, though!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>
> No, it is not only gluten.
>
> Many types of bread contain what we call overhere *bread improver*.
> That means that your bread will act like rubber next week, when you presson
> it.
>
> We have stopped using bread altogether.
> My wife uses rice crackers, and I use wheat crackers.
>
> One should try this and see if you experience a difference.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 3:11 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: GLUTEN, NACL AND EMF (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop -
> WiFi woes)
>
>
> Hi
>
> 1. I definitely agree with Diane's findings on GLUTEN. I've read more on
> this recently. In my opinion not only those "diagnosed" to be intolerant to
> gluten would benefit from eating gluten-free, but EVERYBODY would! Gluten
> are a man-made invention, and not a great one for our health. You can read a
> lot of scientific reports on this, and all these could be summarized in one
> sentence: Glutens in our diet only do bad stuff! It causes tj perm bbb,
> inflammation in the intestines, leaky gut,. and althus a lot of auto-immune
> diseases.
>
> 2. Same thing with salt NaCl (or kitchen salt but also very present in
> sea/Himalayan salt, high mineral waters and processed foods). It's toxic and
> we should avoid it as much as possible. It's the organic Sodium (Na) we need
> not the toxic inorganic NaCl. It is proven that NaCl also opens the tight
> junctions.
>
> 3. And yes also EMF opens the tight junctions. (and blood clogging)
>
>
> SOURCES ON THIS (also in addition to Diane's postings):
>
> 1. GLUTEN
>
> .the more gluten we eat, the greater is the risk of protein fragments
> entering our bloodstream.
> .Disruption of TJ allows harmful substances such as gluten fragments to slip
> through them.
> .The longer we eat gluten, the greater is our risk of developing other
> auto-immune disorders.
>
> www.dfwpsoriasis.org/glutensensitivity.doc
>
> ...Gluten is considered unhealthy for many people because it is a protein
> found in grains such as wheat and barley that can cause an inflammation in
> the intestines...
>
> http://www.ehow.com/video_4738853_gluten-unhealthy.html
>
>
> 2. NACL
>
> .There was a negative correlation between the concentration of NaCl and the
> fraction of intact tight junctions.
> http://erj.ersjournals.com/cgi/content/full/20/6/1444
>
> ...Ingesting inorganic sodium chloride will result in an accumulation of
> sodium outside the cell and will pull water from the cells into the
> extracellular space by virtue of its concentration. In addition, water is
> withdrawn from the tissues in order to neutralize and suspend this toxic
> poison and then it is excreted via various routes (skin, kidneys, bowels,
> etc.). This inorganic mineral is totally unusable by our body and is
> excreted in the same form that it is ingested without being broken down or
> utilized. It creates an unnecessary hardship and wastage of energy on the
> body in general.
>
> ...The body needs sodium, but in small quantities. We get it from the fruits
> and vegetables we eat. Good tomatoes taste a little salty. Celery, spinach
> and dark greens are naturally rich in salt. The sodium that natural foods
> contain is enough to meet our needs. By adding sea salt to our diet, we are
> almost certain to take in too much sodium, and this will lead toseveral
> imbalances...
>
> ...Sea salt is touted as being healthier than table salt because the former
> has more trace minerals and the latter is heat processed. Nonetheless,
> sodium chloride in any form is toxic- it impairs all of our metabolic and
> cellular functions. Because it is toxic, the body retains water to dilute
> the toxicity so we don't die. This is edema, and it can result in headaches
> and heart irregularity. When we are retaining water, the fluid balance in
> the body is out of balance and cellular transport is Impaired. The body
> needs to maintain the fluid pressure inside the cells at a specific ratioto
> the fluid pressure outside of the cells. When we have extra high fluid
> pressure outside of the cells as a result of salt eating, the cells are not
> able to efficiently transport normal metabolic wastes out of the cells, thus
> we become more and more toxic, leading to chronic fatigue and illness.
> Furthermore, the body needs to maintain specific concentration ratios of
> sodium to potassium inside and outside of the cells for proper functioning.
> A high salt diet leads to excess sodium becoming "locked into" cells,
> creating cellular dysfunction. This has been linked to many modern diseases,
> including cancer, diabetes, hardening of arteries, hypertension, kidney
> disease, nervous disorders, and osteoporosis.
>
> As long as we have salt in our diet, we cannot effectively detoxify, lose
> excess weight and completely heal. Once we discontinue salt, it can take as
> many as a few years to offload all of the excess sodium...
>
> http://tribes.tribe.net/goodliving/thread/a5046a04-d910-4cf3-9503-75a867b0c242
>
>
> 3. EMF
>
> EMF causes tj perm. (Andrew Goldsworthy):
>
> http://www.slideshare.net/staywired/andrew-goldsworthy-to-british-society-for-ecological-medicine-at-the-royal-college-of-general-practitioners-presentation
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > Â
> > Sorry I am so far behind in my email. Just getting to this post you
> > addressed to me 10 days ago! (Sorry this is long, but I am relating
> > various problems we here mention often in one email.)
> > Â
> > As to your question on whether I know a direct relationship between anemia
> > and ES....
> > Well, I know a very good indirect relationship--celiac disease/gluten
> > intolerance. Also, later in this email I will try to explain a
> > relationship which may relate to ironâ?"namely tight junction
> > channelopathy which goes along with your Andy Cutler theory.Â
> > Â
> > With CD/GI, the gut/gut tjs (tight junctions) are often damaged at the
> > very place iron is carried across into your blood (this is also trueof
> > B12, and various other nutrients. This thwarts proper uptake of the iron
> > and B12, etc, into the cells and so iron, etc, often ends up getting
> > dumped un-usably into the blood stream. This is due to the nutrients
> > lacking the proper carrier proteins to get them into the cells. (Forme,
> > this constant iron dumping into the blood stream also led to too much iron
> > in the liver and liver cirrhosis.)Â
> > Â
> > CD is a genetic disease which causes the protein, zonulin, to be released
> > in abnormally high amounts when a person with the necessary genesÂ
> > consumes more than 50 parts/million of a gluten-containing food (I suspect
> > the 50ppm is not exactly correct, but this is a long and controverial
> > subject. I find it is just best to avoid ALL GLUTEN and gluten
> > contaminations).Â
> > Â
> > ANYWAY.... when zonulin is released in the abnormally high amounts, it
> > causes the tjs (tight junctions) of the gut to open. Once the zonulin and
> > glutens enter the blood stream, they become "ZOT"--"zonulin occult
> > toxin".  The ZOT then attacks the tjs of particular organs and the
> > blood-brain barrier.  How does this play into ES, you ask? Research has
> > been done which suggests that EMFS also do the same thing--they open the
> > tjs of the bbb (and possibly other organs. I am not sure whether anyone
> > knows this at this time, whether other organs' tjs are affected or just
> > the BBB).  But that is not the ONLY connection with ES. (Read on.)Â
> > Â
> > TJs are not supposed to open. And in CD/some GIs (gluten intolerances),
> > the tjs can eventually get damaged to the extent that they no longerÂ
> > close. This is called "ion channelopathy" disease. I mean, opening tjs
> > and tjs which no longer close are a type of ion channelopathy disease.Â
> > There are at least 100 currently known channelopathy diseases. Many of
> > those relate specifically to in-operational tjs. I have long noticeda
> > relationship between people who get ES and a tendency toward gluten
> > intolerance here at this forum. I am *not* saying that everyone herehas
> > celiac disease or gluten-intolerance. I am saying that everyone herehas
> > similarities in tight junction dysfunction and POSSIBLY some here have
> > also celiac disease or gluten intolerance. There are, however, also
> > various bacteria and cigularia (a fish toxin) which cause ZOT and tj
> > damage. Â
> > Â
> > I would give you, Sveta, a higher than average probability of CD/GI or
> > one of these other zot issues, due to your also having the serious
> > problems with anemia that you have mentioned. It is worth a test to see,
> > Sveta, if you haven't yet gone there, but you cannot have accurate blood
> > tests or biopsy once you go gf. (Actually I do remember reading thatyou
> > are going gf, the question tho is whether you are TOTALLY gf. For those
> > with extensive tj bbb damage, it is likely they would need to even go gf
> > with toiletries/etc and eat only foods made in a dedicated facility to
> > avoid glutens, but unfortunately, the tests might still not be accurate.)Â
> > If you ever have problems sticking to the gf diet, Sveta, just remember
> > that CD and GIs are notorious for causing various organ diseases, and in
> > particular, auto-immune diseases. CD led to my pancreas, liver, and lung
> > problems before I was dxed. I nearly died from liver failure and
> > anaphylaxis multiple
> > times. I also had osteoporosis and multiple auto-immune and other
> > nutritional diseases. [Of course, this is only true if you are so unlucky
> > as to possess the genes! But needless to say, I have plenty of impetus to
> > keep me on the straight and narrow. ;)]
> > Â
> > Following the tj channelopathy idea a bit further down the road.... CFS/ME
> > is thought to be channelopathy related. It looks like CFS/ME is sometimes
> > (for at least a subset of people) a result of ANS disorder (autonomic
> > nervous system disorder) or adrenal dysfunction. ANS disorder, for me, is
> > caused directly by emfs and it worsens, as well, with gluten consumption.Â
> > Your fatigue could be ANS disorder related (especially if you later can
> > prove a connection with falling blood pressure). The blood sugar is also
> > related to this, as is chills, sweats, heart palps, temp changes, etc....Â
> > There is also an adrenal/Â hormonal connectionâ?¦.Â
> > Â
> > As I understand it, the adrenals send serotonin signals out to communicate
> > between the hypothalamus and autonomic nervous system, but serotonin is
> > being â?odumpedâ?, metabolically in some people with CFS/ME. That is to
> > say, high serotonin metabolites are being found in the urine of some
> > people with CFS/ME. (I am one of those people.) The ANS/sympathetic ns
> > do not then work correctly for these people. It is not understood whether
> > this is caused by excess stress or faulty communication in the body orâ?¦Â
> > The adrenals and lymphatics also use all the same nutrients, so if one
> > system is over worked, the other will also suffer. I see fibromyalgia as
> > a problem directly connected with a dysfunctional lymphatic system. So
> > you see, it all goes round and round. All is connected.Â
> > Â
> > In searching channelopathy and tj research, one can see multiple ways our
> > various health problems interconnect. Metals are not utilized and donot
> > store correctly in people with tj channelopathy often, either.  If
> > memory serves, this takes place due to a deficiency in metalothionienes
> > which causes mercury/some other metal hoarding and odd other metal
> > storage issues. Often tj proteins are also faultyâ?"especially the
> > claudens proteins. Faulty claudens proteins have their own
> > dysfunctionality associated with them; for one thing, the polarity of
> > cells become reversed. It is complicated, but all is intertwined, like a
> > massive health labyrinth.
> > Â
> > Sorry to hear about your anemia woes, Sveta! I can relate, having nearly
> > died several times, from age 18 to 49, from anemias (pernicious and
> > iron-deficiency). My ferritin level was sometimes as low as 2 on thesame
> > ferritin test you mention. Btw, I don't know if this will relate to you
> > or not, but the hematologist found that my hemoglobin count was an
> > inaccurate test for iron, for me. Apparently, from years of anemia, my
> > body found a new way to utilize iron--sort of like "automatic direct
> > with-drawal" from a savings account in a bank. When I got seriously low
> > in ferritin iron, my hemoglobin was still often quite high, as a result.Â
> > I mention this because many docs these days use ONLY the hemoglobin count
> > as a reliable measure. If hemoglobin is high in relation to the actual
> > ferritin stores, you could find yourself near death before a doctor would
> > notice it. [The importance of this was brought home to me last year when
> > I accidently
> > severed an artery and my ER docs couldn't figure out why my hemoglobin
> > count was not tanking after 4 hours of unsuccessfully trying to stop my
> > bleeding! (Obviously I was not gushing for 4 hours, but they could not
> > totally stop bleeding for 4 hours/most of that time I was
> > tourniqueted.)]
> > Â
> > You ask specifically if your reaction at the Apple Store sounded like
> > blood-pressure plummeting. Well, no, if you have anemia, it is likely
> > anemia--but they feel alot alike. If you have a feeling of internal
> > bodily "pressure" which accompanies these other feelings you describe,
> > then it could be blood pressure related. The "pressure" comes from your
> > body trying to raise your bp back up, often not adequately or even totally
> > failing to do so.
> > Â
> > I have also read of the connection you mention re Andy Cutler's theory. I
> > have no concrete info on that to send right now other than what I have
> > just shared, but if I stumble back upon it I will try to remember tosend
> > it to you. It makes sense and fits right into the tj profile of metal
> > hoarding and then having storage issues with other metals, which is
> > already known to exist. I have asked many times in the past if others
> > wanted me to share my specific tj research findings (as I find it; after I
> > find it and move on, all I have is a file of honking long research
> > studies!)Â Until recently, nobody seemed interested in any of this
> > research so I never sent specifics. If I know people actually will read
> > it, I will share excerpts and sites as I find them.
> > Â
> > Sorry, speaking of honking long! Lololol�..
> > Â
> > Best wishes,
> > Diane
> > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 12:27 AM
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take
> > all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts
> > as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have
> > debilitatingly low mental energy.
> >
> > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon
> > that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and
> > anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a
> > seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my
> > body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A
> > couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin,
> > hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however
> > "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in
> > the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway -
> > because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time -
> > the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by
> > some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about
> > a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were
> > below normal, and my ferritin had "plummeted" to
> > about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these
> > values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010)
> > bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten
> > worse - or at least hasn't improved.
> >
> > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with
> > a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious
> > way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 -
> > and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has
> > really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia.
> > Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron
> > levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative
> > stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is
> > mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic
> > toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm
> > wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump"
> > iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
> >
> > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something
> > "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme
> > fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became
> > cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad
> > that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench
> > in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making
> > it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store
> > entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made
> > me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs
> > felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decidedto
> > "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook
> > Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a
> > Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of,
> > say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I
> > wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction.
> >
> > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the
> > laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure
> > that you describe?
> >
> > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (orat
> > the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was
> > Stephen! :)
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
> > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also
> > noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than
> > I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to
> > developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message)
> > about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar
> > levels.
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > > Â
> > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these
> > > problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.Â
> > > (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so
> > > much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in
> > > the past year or two in some public opinion.Â
> > > Â
> > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use
> > > that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us haveÂ
> > > noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our
> > > symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so
> > > easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone whatyou
> > > are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are
> > > imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
> > > Â
> > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor
> > > yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you,
> > > and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heartrate
> > > goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will
> > > agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes
> > > up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is
> > > the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you
> > > might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,
> > > respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I
> > > also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check
> > > them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)Â If you
> > > experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit
> > > temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less
> > > profound finding than tanking bp. If you find
> > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for
> > > ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from
> > > electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> > > Â
> > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp
> > > is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it
> > > can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that
> > > with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp
> > > tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp
> > > back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will
> > > also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some
> > > degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over a
> > > long period of time to understand how your body works. I often canget
> > > the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait evena
> > > couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up.Â
> > > This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my
> > > body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
> > > Â
> > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes
> > > an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get
> > > people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer infoas
> > > you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share
> > > with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding greenÂ
> > > (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share
> > > with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articlesat a
> > > time.
> > > Â
> > > I wish you the best,
> > > Diane
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Stephen,
> > >
> > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;)
> > > Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these
> > > so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about
> > > the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're
> > > actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there
> > > are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions
> > > that harm the masses.
> > >
> > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most
> > > effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has
> > > contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult
> > > for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> > >
> > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with
> > > my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He
> > > still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive
> > > the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a
> > > couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just
> > > idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it
> > > will be at least June/July before it's done.)
> > >
> > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were
> > > "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally
> > > validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe
> > > may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on-
> > > the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more
> > > progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public
> > > welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is
> > > over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish,
> > > profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that
> > > all of this "technological progress" is doing.
> > >
> > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My
> > > sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disabilityso
> > > I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone elsein
> > > my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been ableto
> > > turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the
> > > company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to
> > > hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless
> > > signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our
> > > phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not
> > > being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a
> > > really messed-up situation.
> > >
> > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back
> > > in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station,
> > > which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone
> > > uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous",
> > > lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at
> > > least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became
> > > more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of
> > > months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being right
> > > beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep
> > > difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid
> > > of it, though!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
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> >
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> >
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>
>
> I'm reading that "bread improver" is a combination of chemicals and
> enzymes...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_improver
>
> Well, if we skip on all processed foods, grains, gluten, sweeteners and
> pesticides that's healthier... And surprise-surprise quite close to the
> paleo-diet!
>
> Stephen.
>
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles"
> <charles@...> wrote:
> >
> > No, it is not only gluten.
> >
> > Many types of bread contain what we call overhere *bread improver*.
> > That means that your bread will act like rubber next week, when you press
> on
> > it.
> >
> > We have stopped using bread altogether.
> > My wife uses rice crackers, and I use wheat crackers.
> >
> > One should try this and see if you experience a difference.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 3:11 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: GLUTEN, NACL AND EMF (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop
> -
> > WiFi woes)
> >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > 1. I definitely agree with Diane's findings on GLUTEN. I've read more on
> > this recently. In my opinion not only those "diagnosed" to be intolerant
> to
> > gluten would benefit from eating gluten-free, but EVERYBODY would! Gluten
>
> > are a man-made invention, and not a great one for our health. You can
> read a
> > lot of scientific reports on this, and all these could be summarized in
> one
> > sentence: Glutens in our diet only do bad stuff! It causes tj perm bbb,
> > inflammation in the intestines, leaky gut,. and althus a lot of
> auto-immune
> > diseases.
> >
> > 2. Same thing with salt NaCl (or kitchen salt but also very present in
> > sea/Himalayan salt, high mineral waters and processed foods). It's toxic
> and
> > we should avoid it as much as possible. It's the organic Sodium (Na) we
> need
> > not the toxic inorganic NaCl. It is proven that NaCl also opens the tight
>
> > junctions.
> >
> > 3. And yes also EMF opens the tight junctions. (and blood clogging)
> >
> >
> > SOURCES ON THIS (also in addition to Diane's postings):
> >
> > 1. GLUTEN
> >
> > .the more gluten we eat, the greater is the risk of protein fragments
> > entering our bloodstream.
> > .Disruption of TJ allows harmful substances such as gluten fragments to
> slip
> > through them.
> > .The longer we eat gluten, the greater is our risk of developing other
> > auto-immune disorders.
> >
> > www.dfwpsoriasis.org/glutensensitivity.doc
> >
> > ...Gluten is considered unhealthy for many people because it is a protein
>
> > found in grains such as wheat and barley that can cause an inflammation
> in
> > the intestines...
> >
> > http://www.ehow.com/video_4738853_gluten-unhealthy.html
> >
> >
> > 2. NACL
> >
> > .There was a negative correlation between the concentration of NaCl and
> the
> > fraction of intact tight junctions.
> > http://erj.ersjournals.com/cgi/content/full/20/6/1444
> >
> > ...Ingesting inorganic sodium chloride will result in an accumulation of
> > sodium outside the cell and will pull water from the cells into the
> > extracellular space by virtue of its concentration. In addition, water is
>
> > withdrawn from the tissues in order to neutralize and suspend this toxic
> > poison and then it is excreted via various routes (skin, kidneys, bowels,
>
> > etc.). This inorganic mineral is totally unusable by our body and is
> > excreted in the same form that it is ingested without being broken down
> or
> > utilized. It creates an unnecessary hardship and wastage of energy on the
>
> > body in general.
> >
> > ...The body needs sodium, but in small quantities. We get it from the
> fruits
> > and vegetables we eat. Good tomatoes taste a little salty. Celery,
> spinach
> > and dark greens are naturally rich in salt. The sodium that natural foods
>
> > contain is enough to meet our needs. By adding sea salt to our diet, we
> are
> > almost certain to take in too much sodium, and this will lead toseveral
> > imbalances...
> >
> > ...Sea salt is touted as being healthier than table salt because the
> former
> > has more trace minerals and the latter is heat processed. Nonetheless,
> > sodium chloride in any form is toxic- it impairs all of our metabolic and
>
> > cellular functions. Because it is toxic, the body retains water to dilute
>
> > the toxicity so we don't die. This is edema, and it can result in
> headaches
> > and heart irregularity. When we are retaining water, the fluid balance in
>
> > the body is out of balance and cellular transport is Impaired. The body
> > needs to maintain the fluid pressure inside the cells at a specific ratio
> to
> > the fluid pressure outside of the cells. When we have extra high fluid
> > pressure outside of the cells as a result of salt eating, the cells are
> not
> > able to efficiently transport normal metabolic wastes out of the cells,
> thus
> > we become more and more toxic, leading to chronic fatigue and illness.
> > Furthermore, the body needs to maintain specific concentration ratios of
> > sodium to potassium inside and outside of the cells for proper
> functioning.
> > A high salt diet leads to excess sodium becoming "locked into" cells,
> > creating cellular dysfunction. This has been linked to many modern
> diseases,
> > including cancer, diabetes, hardening of arteries, hypertension, kidney
> > disease, nervous disorders, and osteoporosis.
> >
> > As long as we have salt in our diet, we cannot effectively detoxify, lose
>
> > excess weight and completely heal. Once we discontinue salt, it can take
> as
> > many as a few years to offload all of the excess sodium...
> >
> >
> http://tribes.tribe.net/goodliving/thread/a5046a04-d910-4cf3-9503-75a867b0c242
> >
> >
> > 3. EMF
> >
> > EMF causes tj perm. (Andrew Goldsworthy):
> >
> >
> http://www.slideshare.net/staywired/andrew-goldsworthy-to-british-society-for-ecological-medicine-at-the-royal-college-of-general-practitioners-presentation
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie <evie15422@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > > Â
> > > Sorry I am so far behind in my email. Just getting to this post you
> > > addressed to me 10 days ago! (Sorry this is long, but I am relating
> > > various problems we here mention often in one email.)
> > > Â
> > > As to your question on whether I know a direct relationship between
> anemia
> > > and ES....
> > > Well, I know a very good indirect relationship--celiac disease/gluten
> > > intolerance. Also, later in this email I will try to explain a
> > > relationship which may relate to ironâ?"namely tight junction
> > > channelopathy which goes along with your Andy Cutler theory.Â
> > > Â
> > > With CD/GI, the gut/gut tjs (tight junctions) are often damaged atthe
>
> > > very place iron is carried across into your blood (this is also true
> of
> > > B12, and various other nutrients. This thwarts proper uptake of the
> iron
> > > and B12, etc, into the cells and so iron, etc, often ends up getting
> > > dumped un-usably into the blood stream. This is due to the nutrients
> > > lacking the proper carrier proteins to get them into the cells. (For
> me,
> > > this constant iron dumping into the blood stream also led to too much
> iron
> > > in the liver and liver cirrhosis.)Â
> > > Â
> > > CD is a genetic disease which causes the protein, zonulin, to be
> released
> > > in abnormally high amounts when a person with the necessary genesÂ
> > > consumes more than 50 parts/million of a gluten-containing food (I
> suspect
> > > the 50ppm is not exactly correct, but this is a long and controverial
> > > subject. I find it is just best to avoid ALL GLUTEN and gluten
> > > contaminations).Â
> > > Â
> > > ANYWAY.... when zonulin is released in the abnormally high amounts, it
>
> > > causes the tjs (tight junctions) of the gut to open. Once the zonulin
> and
> > > glutens enter the blood stream, they become "ZOT"--"zonulin occult
> > > toxin".  The ZOT then attacks the tjs of particular organs and the
> > > blood-brain barrier.  How does this play into ES, you ask? Research
> has
> > > been done which suggests that EMFS also do the same thing--they open
> the
> > > tjs of the bbb (and possibly other organs. I am not sure whether
> anyone
> > > knows this at this time, whether other organs' tjs are affected or just
>
> > > the BBB).  But that is not the ONLY connection with ES. (Read on.)Â
> > > Â
> > > TJs are not supposed to open. And in CD/some GIs (gluten
> intolerances),
> > > the tjs can eventually get damaged to the extent that they no longerÂ
> > > close. This is called "ion channelopathy" disease. I mean, opening
> tjs
> > > and tjs which no longer close are a type of ion channelopathy disease.Â
>
> > > There are at least 100 currently known channelopathy diseases. Many of
>
> > > those relate specifically to in-operational tjs. I have long noticed a
>
> > > relationship between people who get ES and a tendency toward gluten
> > > intolerance here at this forum. I am *not* saying that everyone here
> has
> > > celiac disease or gluten-intolerance. I am saying that everyone here
> has
> > > similarities in tight junction dysfunction and POSSIBLY some here have
> > > also celiac disease or gluten intolerance. There are, however, also
> > > various bacteria and cigularia (a fish toxin) which cause ZOT and tj
> > > damage. Â
> > > Â
> > > I would give you, Sveta, a higher than average probability of CD/GI
> or
> > > one of these other zot issues, due to your also having the serious
> > > problems with anemia that you have mentioned. It is worth a test to
> see,
> > > Sveta, if you haven't yet gone there, but you cannot have accurate
> blood
> > > tests or biopsy once you go gf. (Actually I do remember reading that
> you
> > > are going gf, the question tho is whether you are TOTALLY gf. For
> those
> > > with extensive tj bbb damage, it is likely they would need to even go
> gf
> > > with toiletries/etc and eat only foods made in a dedicated facility to
> > > avoid glutens, but unfortunately, the tests might still not be
> accurate.)Â
> > > If you ever have problems sticking to the gf diet, Sveta, just remember
>
> > > that CD and GIs are notorious for causing various organ diseases, and
> in
> > > particular, auto-immune diseases. CD led to my pancreas, liver, and
> lung
> > > problems before I was dxed. I nearly died from liver failure and
> > > anaphylaxis multiple
> > > times. I also had osteoporosis and multiple auto-immune and other
> > > nutritional diseases. [Of course, this is only true if you are so
> unlucky
> > > as to possess the genes! But needless to say, I have plenty of impetus
> to
> > > keep me on the straight and narrow. ;)]
> > > Â
> > > Following the tj channelopathy idea a bit further down the road....
> CFS/ME
> > > is thought to be channelopathy related. It looks like CFS/ME is
> sometimes
> > > (for at least a subset of people) a result of ANS disorder (autonomic
> > > nervous system disorder) or adrenal dysfunction. ANS disorder, forme,
> is
> > > caused directly by emfs and it worsens, as well, with gluten
> consumption.Â
> > > Your fatigue could be ANS disorder related (especially if you later can
>
> > > prove a connection with falling blood pressure). The blood sugar is
> also
> > > related to this, as is chills, sweats, heart palps, temp changes,
> etc....Â
> > > There is also an adrenal/Â hormonal connectionâ?¦.Â
> > > Â
> > > As I understand it, the adrenals send serotonin signals out to
> communicate
> > > between the hypothalamus and autonomic nervous system, but serotonin is
>
> > > being â?odumpedâ? , metabolically in some people with CFS/ME. That is
> to
> > > say, high serotonin metabolites are being found in the urine of some
> > > people with CFS/ME. (I am one of those people.) The ANS/sympathetic
> ns
> > > do not then work correctly for these people. It is not understood
> whether
> > > this is caused by excess stress or faulty communication in the body
> orâ?¦Â
> > > The adrenals and lymphatics also use all the same nutrients, so if one
> > > system is over worked, the other will also suffer. I see fibromyalgia
> as
> > > a problem directly connected with a dysfunctional lymphatic system. So
>
> > > you see, it all goes round and round. All is connected.Â
> > > Â
> > > In searching channelopathy and tj research, one can see multiple ways
> our
> > > various health problems interconnect. Metals are not utilized and do
> not
> > > store correctly in people with tj channelopathy often, either. ÂIf
> > > memory serves, this takes place due to a deficiency in metalothionienes
>
> > > which causes mercury/some other metal hoarding and odd other metal
> > > storage issues. Often tj proteins are also faultyâ?"especially the
> > > claudens proteins. Faulty claudens proteins have their own
> > > dysfunctionality associated with them; for one thing, the polarity of
> > > cells become reversed. It is complicated, but all is intertwined, like
> a
> > > massive health labyrinth.
> > > Â
> > > Sorry to hear about your anemia woes, Sveta! I can relate, having
> nearly
> > > died several times, from age 18 to 49, from anemias (pernicious and
> > > iron-deficiency). My ferritin level was sometimes as low as 2 on the
> same
> > > ferritin test you mention. Btw, I don't know if this will relate to
> you
> > > or not, but the hematologist found that my hemoglobin count was an
> > > inaccurate test for iron, for me. Apparently, from years of anemia, my
>
> > > body found a new way to utilize iron--sort of like "automatic direct
> > > with-drawal" from a savings account in a bank. When I got seriously
> low
> > > in ferritin iron, my hemoglobin was still often quite high, as a
> result.Â
> > > I mention this because many docs these days use ONLY the hemoglobin
> count
> > > as a reliable measure. If hemoglobin is high in relation to the
> actual
> > > ferritin stores, you could find yourself near death before a doctor
> would
> > > notice it. [The importance of this was brought home to me last year
> when
> > > I accidently
> > > severed an artery and my ER docs couldn't figure out why my hemoglobin
> > > count was not tanking after 4 hours of unsuccessfully trying to stop my
>
> > > bleeding! (Obviously I was not gushing for 4 hours, but they couldnot
>
> > > totally stop bleeding for 4 hours/most of that time I was
> > > tourniqueted.)]
> > > Â
> > > You ask specifically if your reaction at the Apple Store sounded like
> > > blood-pressure plummeting. Well, no, if you have anemia, it is likely
> > > anemia--but they feel alot alike. If you have a feeling of internal
> > > bodily "pressure" which accompanies these other feelings you describe,
> > > then it could be blood pressure related. The "pressure" comes from
> your
> > > body trying to raise your bp back up, often not adequately or even
> totally
> > > failing to do so.
> > > Â
> > > I have also read of the connection you mention re Andy Cutler's
> theory. I
> > > have no concrete info on that to send right now other than what I have
> > > just shared, but if I stumble back upon it I will try to remember to
> send
> > > it to you. It makes sense and fits right into the tj profile of metal
> > > hoarding and then having storage issues with other metals, which is
> > > already known to exist. I have asked many times in the past if others
> > > wanted me to share my specific tj research findings (as I find it;
> after I
> > > find it and move on, all I have is a file of honking long research
> > > studies!)Â Until recently, nobody seemed interested in any of this
> > > research so I never sent specifics. If I know people actually will
> read
> > > it, I will share excerpts and sites as I find them.
> > > Â
> > > Sorry, speaking of honking long! Lololol�..
> > > Â
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Diane
> > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 12:27 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take
>
> > > all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your
> posts
> > > as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have
> > > debilitatingly low mental energy.
> > >
> > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon
>
> > > that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and
> > > anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a
> > > seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if
> my
> > > body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A
> > > couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin,
> > > hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was
> however
> > > "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was
> in
> > > the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway -
> > > because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time-
>
> > > the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended
> by
> > > some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork
> about
> > > a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels
> were
> > > below normal, and my ferritin had "plummeted" to
> > > about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these
> > > values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010)
> > > bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten
> > > worse - or at least hasn't improved.
> > >
> > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing
> with
> > > a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an
> obvious
> > > way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008
> -
> > > and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this
> has
> > > really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my
> anemia.
> > > Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic -
> ferritin/iron
> > > levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative
> > > stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is
> > > mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic
> > > toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm
>
> > > wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to
> "dump"
> > > iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
> > >
> > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something
> > > "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of
> extreme
> > > fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became
> > > cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so
> bad
> > > that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby
> bench
> > > in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time
> making
> > > it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store
> > > entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which
> made
> > > me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My
> legs
> > > felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided
> to
> > > "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook
>
> > > Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a
> > > Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of,
>
> > > say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I
> > > wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this
> reaction.
> > >
> > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of
> the
> > > laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure
>
> > > that you describe?
> > >
> > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or
> at
> > > the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it
> was
> > > Stephen! :)
> > >
> > > ~Svetaswan
> > >
> > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also
> > > noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher
> than
> > > I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to
> > > developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message)
> > > about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar
> > > levels.
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie
> <evie15422@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > > > Â
> > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these
> > > > problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.Â
> > > > (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes itsound
> so
> > > > much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bitof a turn
> in
> > > > the past year or two in some public opinion.Â
> > > > Â
> > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use
>
> > > > that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us haveÂ
> > > > noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our
> > > > symptoms (as mentioned by others here)Â can relate to the ANS.ÂIt is
> so
> > > > easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what
> you
> > > > are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you
> are
> > > > imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
> > > > Â
> > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.Â
> Monitor
> > > > yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for
> you,
> > > > and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart
> rate
> > > > goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people
> will
> > > > agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes
>
> > > > up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate
> is
> > > > the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But
> you
> > > > might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,
> > > > respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures.Â(I
> > > > also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check
>
> > > > them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)Â If you
> > > > experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit
> > > > temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a
> less
> > > > profound finding than tanking bp. If you find
> > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor
> for
> > > > ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from
>
> > > > electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> > > > Â
> > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting
> bp
> > > > is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it
>
> > > > can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that
>
> > > > with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp
> > > > tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my
> bp
> > > > back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will
> > > > also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some
> > > > degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over
> a
> > > > long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can
> get
> > > > the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even
> a
> > > > couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back
> up.Â
> > > > This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while,
> my
> > > > body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
> > > > Â
> > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and itÂ
> becomes
> > > > an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get
> > > > people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info
> as
> > > > you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.Â
> Share
> > > > with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding
> greenÂ
> > > > (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past yearto
> share
> > > > with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles
> at a
> > > > time.
> > > > Â
> > > > I wish you the best,
> > > > Diane
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Stephen,
> > > >
> > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;)
> > > > Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by
> these
> > > > so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions
> about
> > > > the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what
> they're
> > > > actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And
> there
> > > > are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish
> decisions
> > > > that harm the masses.
> > > >
> > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most
> > > > effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has
> > > > contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more
> difficult
> > > > for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> > > >
> > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation
> with
> > > > my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi.
> He
> > > > still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't
> receive
> > > > the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a
> > > > couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't
> just
> > > > idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it
> > > > will be at least June/July before it's done.)
> > > >
> > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were
>
> > > > "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media
> finally
> > > > validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think
> Europe
> > > > may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on
> -
> > > > the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more
> > > > progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public
> > > > welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it
> is
> > > > over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish,
> > > > profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that
>
> > > > all of this "technological progress" is doing.
> > > >
> > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My
> > > > sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability
> so
> > > > I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else
> in
> > > > my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able
> to
> > > > turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the
> > > > company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to
> > > > hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our
> wireless
> > > > signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our
> > > > phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone
> not
> > > > being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a
> > > > really messed-up situation.
> > > >
> > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged.
> Back
> > > > in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station,
> > > > which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this
> phone
> > > > uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be
> "dangerous",
> > > > lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at
>
> > > > least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I
> became
> > > > more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of
> > > > months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being
> right
> > > > beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep
> > > > difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get
> rid
> > > > of it, though!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>  
>

>
> It is easier for me to believe the enzymes are the problem, rather than the
> gluten.
>
> "As enzymes are classed as "processing aids" they do not need to be included
> on the food label."
>
> Enzymes can also be used as flavor enhancers, by letting them degrade to
> free up the glutamate. Then they are equivalent to MSG.
>
> I also think sea salt at concentrations that taste good probably is healthy.
> The reason they sneak MSG into everything is because they want to keep the
> sodium low. We need sodium, and magnesium. But the cheap table salt has
> all the magnesium removed (so the salt is really an industrial by-productof
> magnesium production).
>
>
> On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:29 AM, stephen_vandevijvere <
> stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I'm reading that "bread improver" is a combination of chemicals and
> > enzymes...
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_improver
> >
> > Well, if we skip on all processed foods, grains, gluten, sweeteners and
> > pesticides that's healthier... And surprise-surprise quite close to the
> > paleo-diet!
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles"
> > <charles@> wrote:
> > >
> > > No, it is not only gluten.
> > >
> > > Many types of bread contain what we call overhere *bread improver*.
> > > That means that your bread will act like rubber next week, when you press
> > on
> > > it.
> > >
> > > We have stopped using bread altogether.
> > > My wife uses rice crackers, and I use wheat crackers.
> > >
> > > One should try this and see if you experience a difference.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Norton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 3:11 PM
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: GLUTEN, NACL AND EMF (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop
> > -
> > > WiFi woes)
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > 1. I definitely agree with Diane's findings on GLUTEN. I've read moreon
> > > this recently. In my opinion not only those "diagnosed" to be intolerant
> > to
> > > gluten would benefit from eating gluten-free, but EVERYBODY would! Gluten
> >
> > > are a man-made invention, and not a great one for our health. You can
> > read a
> > > lot of scientific reports on this, and all these could be summarized in
> > one
> > > sentence: Glutens in our diet only do bad stuff! It causes tj perm bbb,
> > > inflammation in the intestines, leaky gut,. and althus a lot of
> > auto-immune
> > > diseases.
> > >
> > > 2. Same thing with salt NaCl (or kitchen salt but also very present in
> > > sea/Himalayan salt, high mineral waters and processed foods). It's toxic
> > and
> > > we should avoid it as much as possible. It's the organic Sodium (Na) we
> > need
> > > not the toxic inorganic NaCl. It is proven that NaCl also opens the tight
> >
> > > junctions.
> > >
> > > 3. And yes also EMF opens the tight junctions. (and blood clogging)
> > >
> > >
> > > SOURCES ON THIS (also in addition to Diane's postings):
> > >
> > > 1. GLUTEN
> > >
> > > .the more gluten we eat, the greater is the risk of protein fragments
> > > entering our bloodstream.
> > > .Disruption of TJ allows harmful substances such as gluten fragments to
> > slip
> > > through them.
> > > .The longer we eat gluten, the greater is our risk of developing other
> > > auto-immune disorders.
> > >
> > > www.dfwpsoriasis.org/glutensensitivity.doc
> > >
> > > ...Gluten is considered unhealthy for many people because it is a protein
> >
> > > found in grains such as wheat and barley that can cause an inflammation
> > in
> > > the intestines...
> > >
> > > http://www.ehow.com/video_4738853_gluten-unhealthy.html
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. NACL
> > >
> > > .There was a negative correlation between the concentration of NaCl and
> > the
> > > fraction of intact tight junctions.
> > > http://erj.ersjournals.com/cgi/content/full/20/6/1444
> > >
> > > ...Ingesting inorganic sodium chloride will result in an accumulationof
> > > sodium outside the cell and will pull water from the cells into the
> > > extracellular space by virtue of its concentration. In addition, water is
> >
> > > withdrawn from the tissues in order to neutralize and suspend this toxic
> > > poison and then it is excreted via various routes (skin, kidneys, bowels,
> >
> > > etc.). This inorganic mineral is totally unusable by our body and is
> > > excreted in the same form that it is ingested without being broken down
> > or
> > > utilized. It creates an unnecessary hardship and wastage of energy onthe
> >
> > > body in general.
> > >
> > > ...The body needs sodium, but in small quantities. We get it from the
> > fruits
> > > and vegetables we eat. Good tomatoes taste a little salty. Celery,
> > spinach
> > > and dark greens are naturally rich in salt. The sodium that natural foods
> >
> > > contain is enough to meet our needs. By adding sea salt to our diet, we
> > are
> > > almost certain to take in too much sodium, and this will lead toseveral
> > > imbalances...
> > >
> > > ...Sea salt is touted as being healthier than table salt because the
> > former
> > > has more trace minerals and the latter is heat processed. Nonetheless,
> > > sodium chloride in any form is toxic- it impairs all of our metabolicand
> >
> > > cellular functions. Because it is toxic, the body retains water to dilute
> >
> > > the toxicity so we don't die. This is edema, and it can result in
> > headaches
> > > and heart irregularity. When we are retaining water, the fluid balance in
> >
> > > the body is out of balance and cellular transport is Impaired. The body
> > > needs to maintain the fluid pressure inside the cells at a specific ratio
> > to
> > > the fluid pressure outside of the cells. When we have extra high fluid
> > > pressure outside of the cells as a result of salt eating, the cells are
> > not
> > > able to efficiently transport normal metabolic wastes out of the cells,
> > thus
> > > we become more and more toxic, leading to chronic fatigue and illness.
> > > Furthermore, the body needs to maintain specific concentration ratiosof
> > > sodium to potassium inside and outside of the cells for proper
> > functioning.
> > > A high salt diet leads to excess sodium becoming "locked into" cells,
> > > creating cellular dysfunction. This has been linked to many modern
> > diseases,
> > > including cancer, diabetes, hardening of arteries, hypertension, kidney
> > > disease, nervous disorders, and osteoporosis.
> > >
> > > As long as we have salt in our diet, we cannot effectively detoxify, lose
> >
> > > excess weight and completely heal. Once we discontinue salt, it can take
> > as
> > > many as a few years to offload all of the excess sodium...
> > >
> > >
> > http://tribes.tribe.net/goodliving/thread/a5046a04-d910-4cf3-9503-75a867b0c242
> > >
> > >
> > > 3. EMF
> > >
> > > EMF causes tj perm. (Andrew Goldsworthy):
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.slideshare.net/staywired/andrew-goldsworthy-to-british-society-for-ecological-medicine-at-the-royal-college-of-general-practitioners-presentation
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie <evie15422@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > > > Â
> > > > Sorry I am so far behind in my email. Just getting to this post you
> > > > addressed to me 10 days ago! (Sorry this is long, but I amrelating
> > > > various problems we here mention often in one email.)
> > > > Â
> > > > As to your question on whether I know a direct relationship between
> > anemia
> > > > and ES....
> > > > Well, I know a very good indirect relationship--celiac disease/gluten
> > > > intolerance. Also, later in this email I will try to explain a
> > > > relationship which may relate to ironâ?"namely tight junction
> > > > channelopathy which goes along with your Andy Cutler theory.Â
> > > > Â
> > > > With CD/GI, the gut/gut tjs (tight junctions) are often damaged at the
> >
> > > > very place iron is carried across into your blood (this is also true
> > of
> > > > B12, and various other nutrients. This thwarts proper uptake of the
> > iron
> > > > and B12, etc, into the cells and so iron, etc, often ends up getting
> > > > dumped un-usably into the blood stream. This is due to the nutrients
> > > > lacking the proper carrier proteins to get them into the cells. (For
> > me,
> > > > this constant iron dumping into the blood stream also led to too much
> > iron
> > > > in the liver and liver cirrhosis.)Â
> > > > Â
> > > > CD is a genetic disease which causes the protein, zonulin, to be
> > released
> > > > in abnormally high amounts when a person with the necessary genesÂ
> > > > consumes more than 50 parts/million of a gluten-containing food (I
> > suspect
> > > > the 50ppm is not exactly correct, but this is a long and controverial
> > > > subject. I find it is just best to avoid ALL GLUTEN and gluten
> > > > contaminations).Â
> > > > Â
> > > > ANYWAY.... when zonulin is released in the abnormally high amounts, it
> >
> > > > causes the tjs (tight junctions) of the gut to open. Once the zonulin
> > and
> > > > glutens enter the blood stream, they become "ZOT"--"zonulin occult
> > > > toxin".  The ZOT then attacks the tjs of particular organs and the
> > > > blood-brain barrier.  How does this play into ES, you ask?ÂResearch
> > has
> > > > been done which suggests that EMFS also do the same thing--they open
> > the
> > > > tjs of the bbb (and possibly other organs. I am not sure whether
> > anyone
> > > > knows this at this time, whether other organs' tjs are affected or just
> >
> > > > the BBB).  But that is not the ONLY connection with ES. (Readon.)Â
> > > > Â
> > > > TJs are not supposed to open. And in CD/some GIs (gluten
> > intolerances),
> > > > the tjs can eventually get damaged to the extent that they no longerÂ
> > > > close. This is called "ion channelopathy" disease. I mean,Âopening
> > tjs
> > > > and tjs which no longer close are a type of ion channelopathy disease.Â
> >
> > > > There are at least 100 currently known channelopathy diseases. Many of
> >
> > > > those relate specifically to in-operational tjs. I have long noticed a
> >
> > > > relationship between people who get ES and a tendency toward gluten
> > > > intolerance here at this forum. I am *not* saying that everyone here
> > has
> > > > celiac disease or gluten-intolerance. I am saying that everyone here
> > has
> > > > similarities in tight junction dysfunction and POSSIBLY some here have
> > > > also celiac disease or gluten intolerance. There are, however, also
> > > > various bacteria and cigularia (a fish toxin) which cause ZOT and tj
> > > > damage. Â
> > > > Â
> > > > I would give you, Sveta, a higher than average probability ofCD/GI
> > or
> > > > one of these other zot issues, due to your also having the serious
> > > > problems with anemia that you have mentioned. It is worth a test to
> > see,
> > > > Sveta, if you haven't yet gone there, but you cannot have accurate
> > blood
> > > > tests or biopsy once you go gf. (Actually I do remember reading that
> > you
> > > > are going gf, the question tho is whether you are TOTALLY gf. For
> > those
> > > > with extensive tj bbb damage, it is likely they would need to even go
> > gf
> > > > with toiletries/etc and eat only foods made in a dedicated facilityto
> > > > avoid glutens, but unfortunately, the tests might still not be
> > accurate.)Â
> > > > If you ever have problems sticking to the gf diet, Sveta, just remember
> >
> > > > that CD and GIs are notorious for causing various organ diseases, and
> > in
> > > > particular, auto-immune diseases. CD led to my pancreas, liver, and
> > lung
> > > > problems before I was dxed. I nearly died from liver failure and
> > > > anaphylaxis multiple
> > > > times. I also had osteoporosis and multiple auto-immune and other
> > > > nutritional diseases. [Of course, this is only true if you are so
> > unlucky
> > > > as to possess the genes! But needless to say, I have plenty of impetus
> > to
> > > > keep me on the straight and narrow. ;)]
> > > > Â
> > > > Following the tj channelopathy idea a bit further down the road....
> > CFS/ME
> > > > is thought to be channelopathy related. It looks like CFS/ME is
> > sometimes
> > > > (for at least a subset of people) a result of ANS disorder (autonomic
> > > > nervous system disorder) or adrenal dysfunction. ANS disorder, for me,
> > is
> > > > caused directly by emfs and it worsens, as well, with gluten
> > consumption.Â
> > > > Your fatigue could be ANS disorder related (especially if you latercan
> >
> > > > prove a connection with falling blood pressure). The blood sugaris
> > also
> > > > related to this, as is chills, sweats, heart palps, temp changes,
> > etc....Â
> > > > There is also an adrenal/Â hormonal connectionâ?¦.Â
> > > > Â
> > > > As I understand it, the adrenals send serotonin signals out to
> > communicate
> > > > between the hypothalamus and autonomic nervous system, but serotonin is
> >
> > > > being â?odumpedâ? , metabolically in some people with CFS/ME. That is
> > to
> > > > say, high serotonin metabolites are being found in the urine of some
> > > > people with CFS/ME. (I am one of those people.) The ANS/sympathetic
> > ns
> > > > do not then work correctly for these people. It is not understood
> > whether
> > > > this is caused by excess stress or faulty communication in the body
> > orâ?¦Â
> > > > The adrenals and lymphatics also use all the same nutrients, so if one
> > > > system is over worked, the other will also suffer. I see fibromyalgia
> > as
> > > > a problem directly connected with a dysfunctional lymphatic system. So
> >
> > > > you see, it all goes round and round. All is connected.Â
> > > > Â
> > > > In searching channelopathy and tj research, one can see multiple ways
> > our
> > > > various health problems interconnect. Metals are not utilized and do
> > not
> > > > store correctly in people with tj channelopathy often, either.  If
> > > > memory serves, this takes place due to a deficiency in metalothionienes
> >
> > > > which causes mercury/some other metal hoarding and odd other metal
> > > > storage issues. Often tj proteins are also faultyâ?"especiallythe
> > > > claudens proteins. Faulty claudens proteins have their own
> > > > dysfunctionality associated with them; for one thing, the polarity of
> > > > cells become reversed. It is complicated, but all is intertwined, like
> > a
> > > > massive health labyrinth.
> > > > Â
> > > > Sorry to hear about your anemia woes, Sveta! I can relate, having
> > nearly
> > > > died several times, from age 18 to 49, from anemias (pernicious and
> > > > iron-deficiency). My ferritin level was sometimes as low as 2 onthe
> > same
> > > > ferritin test you mention. Btw, I don't know if this will relateto
> > you
> > > > or not, but the hematologist found that my hemoglobin count was an
> > > > inaccurate test for iron, for me. Apparently, from years of anemia, my
> >
> > > > body found a new way to utilize iron--sort of like "automatic direct
> > > > with-drawal" from a savings account in a bank. When I got seriously
> > low
> > > > in ferritin iron, my hemoglobin was still often quite high, as a
> > result.Â
> > > > I mention this because many docs these days use ONLY the hemoglobin
> > count
> > > > as a reliable measure. If hemoglobin is high in relation to the
> > actual
> > > > ferritin stores, you could find yourself near death before a doctor
> > would
> > > > notice it. [The importance of this was brought home to me last year
> > when
> > > > I accidently
> > > > severed an artery and my ER docs couldn't figure out why my hemoglobin
> > > > count was not tanking after 4 hours of unsuccessfully trying to stop my
> >
> > > > bleeding! (Obviously I was not gushing for 4 hours, but they could not
> >
> > > > totally stop bleeding for 4 hours/most of that time I was
> > > > tourniqueted.)]
> > > > Â
> > > > You ask specifically if your reaction at the Apple Store sounded like
> > > > blood-pressure plummeting. Well, no, if you have anemia, it is likely
> > > > anemia--but they feel alot alike. If you have a feeling of internal
> > > > bodily "pressure" which accompanies these other feelings you describe,
> > > > then it could be blood pressure related. The "pressure" comesfrom
> > your
> > > > body trying to raise your bp back up, often not adequately or even
> > totally
> > > > failing to do so.
> > > > Â
> > > > I have also read of the connection you mention re Andy Cutler's
> > theory. I
> > > > have no concrete info on that to send right now other than what I have
> > > > just shared, but if I stumble back upon it I will try to remember to
> > send
> > > > it to you. It makes sense and fits right into the tj profile of metal
> > > > hoarding and then having storage issues with other metals, which is
> > > > already known to exist. I have asked many times in the past if others
> > > > wanted me to share my specific tj research findings (as I find it;
> > after I
> > > > find it and move on, all I have is a file of honking long research
> > > > studies!)Â Until recently, nobody seemed interested in any of this
> > > > research so I never sent specifics. If I know people actually will
> > read
> > > > it, I will share excerpts and sites as I find them.
> > > > Â
> > > > Sorry, speaking of honking long! Lololol�..
> > > > Â
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > > Diane
> > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 12:27 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take
> >
> > > > all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your
> > posts
> > > > as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have
> > > > debilitatingly low mental energy.
> > > >
> > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon
> >
> > > > that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and
> > > > anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a
> > > > seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonderif
> > my
> > > > body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A
> > > > couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin,
> > > > hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was
> > however
> > > > "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was
> > in
> > > > the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway-
> > > > because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time -
> >
> > > > the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended
> > by
> > > > some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork
> > about
> > > > a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels
> > were
> > > > below normal, and my ferritin had "plummeted" to
> > > > about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these
> > > > values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010)
> > > > bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten
> > > > worse - or at least hasn't improved.
> > > >
> > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing
> > with
> > > > a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an
> > obvious
> > > > way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008
> > -
> > > > and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this
> > has
> > > > really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my
> > anemia.
> > > > Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic -
> > ferritin/iron
> > > > levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative
> > > > stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is
> > > > mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic
> > > > toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). SoI'm
> >
> > > > wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to
> > "dump"
> > > > iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
> > > >
> > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something
> > > > "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of
> > extreme
> > > > fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became
> > > > cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it wasso
> > bad
> > > > that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby
> > bench
> > > > in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time
> > making
> > > > it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store
> > > > entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which
> > made
> > > > me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My
> > legs
> > > > felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided
> > to
> > > > "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook
> >
> > > > Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a
> > > > Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in frontof,
> >
> > > > say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I
> > > > wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this
> > reaction.
> > > >
> > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of
> > the
> > > > laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure
> >
> > > > that you describe?
> > > >
> > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle(or
> > at
> > > > the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it
> > was
> > > > Stephen! :)
> > > >
> > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > >
> > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also
> > > > noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher
> > than
> > > > I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to
> > > > developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message)
> > > > about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar
> > > > levels.
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie
> > <evie15422@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > > > > Â
> > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these
> > > > > problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.Â
> > > > > (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound
> > so
> > > > > much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn
> > in
> > > > > the past year or two in some public opinion.Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes anduse
> >
> > > > > that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us haveÂ
> > > > > noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our
> > > > > symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is
> > so
> > > > > easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what
> > you
> > > > > are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you
> > are
> > > > > imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.Â
> > Monitor
> > > > > yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for
> > you,
> > > > > and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart
> > rate
> > > > > goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people
> > will
> > > > > agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--ifit goes
> >
> > > > > up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heartrate
> > is
> > > > > the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But
> > you
> > > > > might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,
> > > > > respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I
> > > > > also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check
> >
> > > > > them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)Â If you
> > > > > experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit
> > > > > temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a
> > less
> > > > > profound finding than tanking bp. If you find
> > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor
> > for
> > > > > ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from
> >
> > > > > electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> > > > > Â
> > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting
> > bp
> > > > > is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it
> >
> > > > > can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that
> >
> > > > > with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that thisbp
> > > > > tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my
> > bp
> > > > > back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. Youwill
> > > > > also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some
> > > > > degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readingsover
> > a
> > > > > long period of time to understand how your body works. I oftencan
> > get
> > > > > the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even
> > a
> > > > > couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back
> > up.Â
> > > > > This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while,
> > my
> > > > > body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and itÂ
> > becomes
> > > > > an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get
> > > > > people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info
> > as
> > > > > you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.Â
> > Share
> > > > > with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding
> > greenÂ
> > > > > (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to
> > share
> > > > > with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles
> > at a
> > > > > time.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > I wish you the best,
> > > > > Diane
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Stephen,
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;)
> > > > > Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by
> > these
> > > > > so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions
> > about
> > > > > the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what
> > they're
> > > > > actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And
> > there
> > > > > are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish
> > decisions
> > > > > that harm the masses.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most
> > > > > effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has
> > > > > contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more
> > difficult
> > > > > for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> > > > >
> > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation
> > with
> > > > > my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi.
> > He
> > > > > still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't
> > receive
> > > > > the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a
> > > > > couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't
> > just
> > > > > idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away -it
> > > > > will be at least June/July before it's done.)
> > > > >
> > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were
> >
> > > > > "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media
> > finally
> > > > > validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think
> > Europe
> > > > > may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on
> > -
> > > > > the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more
> > > > > progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public
> > > > > welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it
> > is
> > > > > over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish,
> > > > > profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that
> >
> > > > > all of this "technological progress" is doing.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My
> > > > > sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability
> > so
> > > > > I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else
> > in
> > > > > my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able
> > to
> > > > > turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the
> > > > > company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea*to
> > > > > hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our
> > wireless
> > > > > signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our
> > > > > phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone
> > not
> > > > > being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a
> > > > > really messed-up situation.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged.
> > Back
> > > > > in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station,
> > > > > which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this
> > phone
> > > > > uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be
> > "dangerous",
> > > > > lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at
> >
> > > > > least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I
> > became
> > > > > more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of
> > > > > months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being
> > right
> > > > > beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep
> > > > > difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get
> > rid
> > > > > of it, though!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >
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>
> It is easier for me to believe the enzymes are the problem, rather than the
> gluten.
>
> "As enzymes are classed as "processing aids" they do not need to be included
> on the food label."
>
> Enzymes can also be used as flavor enhancers, by letting them degrade to
> free up the glutamate. Then they are equivalent to MSG.
>
> I also think sea salt at concentrations that taste good probably is healthy.
> The reason they sneak MSG into everything is because they want to keep the
> sodium low. We need sodium, and magnesium. But the cheap table salt has
> all the magnesium removed (so the salt is really an industrial by-productof
> magnesium production).
>
>
> On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:29 AM, stephen_vandevijvere <
> stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I'm reading that "bread improver" is a combination of chemicals and
> > enzymes...
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_improver
> >
> > Well, if we skip on all processed foods, grains, gluten, sweeteners and
> > pesticides that's healthier... And surprise-surprise quite close to the
> > paleo-diet!
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles"
> > <charles@> wrote:
> > >
> > > No, it is not only gluten.
> > >
> > > Many types of bread contain what we call overhere *bread improver*.
> > > That means that your bread will act like rubber next week, when you press
> > on
> > > it.
> > >
> > > We have stopped using bread altogether.
> > > My wife uses rice crackers, and I use wheat crackers.
> > >
> > > One should try this and see if you experience a difference.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Norton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 3:11 PM
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: GLUTEN, NACL AND EMF (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop
> > -
> > > WiFi woes)
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > 1. I definitely agree with Diane's findings on GLUTEN. I've read moreon
> > > this recently. In my opinion not only those "diagnosed" to be intolerant
> > to
> > > gluten would benefit from eating gluten-free, but EVERYBODY would! Gluten
> >
> > > are a man-made invention, and not a great one for our health. You can
> > read a
> > > lot of scientific reports on this, and all these could be summarized in
> > one
> > > sentence: Glutens in our diet only do bad stuff! It causes tj perm bbb,
> > > inflammation in the intestines, leaky gut,. and althus a lot of
> > auto-immune
> > > diseases.
> > >
> > > 2. Same thing with salt NaCl (or kitchen salt but also very present in
> > > sea/Himalayan salt, high mineral waters and processed foods). It's toxic
> > and
> > > we should avoid it as much as possible. It's the organic Sodium (Na) we
> > need
> > > not the toxic inorganic NaCl. It is proven that NaCl also opens the tight
> >
> > > junctions.
> > >
> > > 3. And yes also EMF opens the tight junctions. (and blood clogging)
> > >
> > >
> > > SOURCES ON THIS (also in addition to Diane's postings):
> > >
> > > 1. GLUTEN
> > >
> > > .the more gluten we eat, the greater is the risk of protein fragments
> > > entering our bloodstream.
> > > .Disruption of TJ allows harmful substances such as gluten fragments to
> > slip
> > > through them.
> > > .The longer we eat gluten, the greater is our risk of developing other
> > > auto-immune disorders.
> > >
> > > www.dfwpsoriasis.org/glutensensitivity.doc
> > >
> > > ...Gluten is considered unhealthy for many people because it is a protein
> >
> > > found in grains such as wheat and barley that can cause an inflammation
> > in
> > > the intestines...
> > >
> > > http://www.ehow.com/video_4738853_gluten-unhealthy.html
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. NACL
> > >
> > > .There was a negative correlation between the concentration of NaCl and
> > the
> > > fraction of intact tight junctions.
> > > http://erj.ersjournals.com/cgi/content/full/20/6/1444
> > >
> > > ...Ingesting inorganic sodium chloride will result in an accumulationof
> > > sodium outside the cell and will pull water from the cells into the
> > > extracellular space by virtue of its concentration. In addition, water is
> >
> > > withdrawn from the tissues in order to neutralize and suspend this toxic
> > > poison and then it is excreted via various routes (skin, kidneys, bowels,
> >
> > > etc.). This inorganic mineral is totally unusable by our body and is
> > > excreted in the same form that it is ingested without being broken down
> > or
> > > utilized. It creates an unnecessary hardship and wastage of energy onthe
> >
> > > body in general.
> > >
> > > ...The body needs sodium, but in small quantities. We get it from the
> > fruits
> > > and vegetables we eat. Good tomatoes taste a little salty. Celery,
> > spinach
> > > and dark greens are naturally rich in salt. The sodium that natural foods
> >
> > > contain is enough to meet our needs. By adding sea salt to our diet, we
> > are
> > > almost certain to take in too much sodium, and this will lead toseveral
> > > imbalances...
> > >
> > > ...Sea salt is touted as being healthier than table salt because the
> > former
> > > has more trace minerals and the latter is heat processed. Nonetheless,
> > > sodium chloride in any form is toxic- it impairs all of our metabolicand
> >
> > > cellular functions. Because it is toxic, the body retains water to dilute
> >
> > > the toxicity so we don't die. This is edema, and it can result in
> > headaches
> > > and heart irregularity. When we are retaining water, the fluid balance in
> >
> > > the body is out of balance and cellular transport is Impaired. The body
> > > needs to maintain the fluid pressure inside the cells at a specific ratio
> > to
> > > the fluid pressure outside of the cells. When we have extra high fluid
> > > pressure outside of the cells as a result of salt eating, the cells are
> > not
> > > able to efficiently transport normal metabolic wastes out of the cells,
> > thus
> > > we become more and more toxic, leading to chronic fatigue and illness.
> > > Furthermore, the body needs to maintain specific concentration ratiosof
> > > sodium to potassium inside and outside of the cells for proper
> > functioning.
> > > A high salt diet leads to excess sodium becoming "locked into" cells,
> > > creating cellular dysfunction. This has been linked to many modern
> > diseases,
> > > including cancer, diabetes, hardening of arteries, hypertension, kidney
> > > disease, nervous disorders, and osteoporosis.
> > >
> > > As long as we have salt in our diet, we cannot effectively detoxify, lose
> >
> > > excess weight and completely heal. Once we discontinue salt, it can take
> > as
> > > many as a few years to offload all of the excess sodium...
> > >
> > >
> > http://tribes.tribe.net/goodliving/thread/a5046a04-d910-4cf3-9503-75a867b0c242
> > >
> > >
> > > 3. EMF
> > >
> > > EMF causes tj perm. (Andrew Goldsworthy):
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.slideshare.net/staywired/andrew-goldsworthy-to-british-society-for-ecological-medicine-at-the-royal-college-of-general-practitioners-presentation
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie <evie15422@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > > > Â
> > > > Sorry I am so far behind in my email. Just getting to this post you
> > > > addressed to me 10 days ago! (Sorry this is long,but I am relating
> > > > various problems we here mention often in one email.)
> > > > Â
> > > > As to your question on whether I know a direct relationship between
> > anemia
> > > > and ES....
> > > > Well, I know a very good indirect relationship--celiac disease/gluten
> > > > intolerance. Also, later in this email I will try to explain a
> > > > relationship which may relate to ironâ?"namely tight junction
> > > > channelopathy which goes along with your Andy Cutler theory.Â
> > > > Â
> > > > With CD/GI, the gut/gut tjs (tight junctions) are often damaged at the
> >
> > > > very place iron is carried across into your blood (this is also true
> > of
> > > > B12, and various other nutrients. This thwarts proper uptake of the
> > iron
> > > > and B12, etc, into the cells and so iron, etc, often ends up getting
> > > > dumped un-usably into the blood stream. This is due to the nutrients
> > > > lacking the proper carrier proteins to get them into the cells. (For
> > me,
> > > > this constant iron dumping into the blood stream also led to too much
> > iron
> > > > in the liver and liver cirrhosis.)Â
> > > > Â
> > > > CD is a genetic disease which causes the protein, zonulin, to be
> > released
> > > > in abnormally high amounts when a person with the necessary genesÂ
> > > > consumes more than 50 parts/million of a gluten-containing food (I
> > suspect
> > > > the 50ppm is not exactly correct, but this is a long and controverial
> > > > subject. I find it is just best to avoid ALL GLUTEN and gluten
> > > > contaminations).Â
> > > > Â
> > > > ANYWAY.... when zonulin is released in the abnormally high amounts, it
> >
> > > > causes the tjs (tight junctions) of the gut to open. Once thezonulin
> > and
> > > > glutens enter the blood stream, they become "ZOT"--"zonulin occult
> > > > toxin".  The ZOT then attacks the tjs of particular organs and the
> > > > blood-brain barrier.  How does this play into ES, you ask? Research
> > has
> > > > been done which suggests that EMFS also do the same thing--they open
> > the
> > > > tjs of the bbb (and possibly other organs. I am not sure whether
> > anyone
> > > > knows this at this time, whether other organs' tjs are affected or just
> >
> > > > the BBB). Â But that is not the ONLY connection with ES.Â(Read on.)Â
> > > > Â
> > > > TJs are not supposed to open. And in CD/some GIs (gluten
> > intolerances),
> > > > the tjs can eventually get damaged to the extent that they nolongerÂ
> > > > close. This is called "ion channelopathy" disease. I mean, opening
> > tjs
> > > > and tjs which no longer close are a type of ion channelopathy disease.Â
> >
> > > > There are at least 100 currently known channelopathy diseases. Many of
> >
> > > > those relate specifically to in-operational tjs. I have long noticed a
> >
> > > > relationship between people who get ES and a tendency toward gluten
> > > > intolerance here at this forum. I am *not* saying that everyone here
> > has
> > > > celiac disease or gluten-intolerance. I am saying that everyone here
> > has
> > > > similarities in tight junction dysfunction and POSSIBLY some here have
> > > > also celiac disease or gluten intolerance. There are, however, also
> > > > various bacteria and cigularia (a fish toxin) which cause ZOT and tj
> > > > damage. Â
> > > > Â
> > > > I would give you, Sveta, a higher than average probability of CD/GI
> > or
> > > > one of these other zot issues, due to your also having the serious
> > > > problems with anemia that you have mentioned. It is worth a test to
> > see,
> > > > Sveta, if you haven't yet gone there, but you cannot have accurate
> > blood
> > > > tests or biopsy once you go gf. (Actually I do remember reading that
> > you
> > > > are going gf, the question tho is whether you are TOTALLY gf.ÂFor
> > those
> > > > with extensive tj bbb damage, it is likely they would need to even go
> > gf
> > > > with toiletries/etc and eat only foods made in a dedicated facilityto
> > > > avoid glutens, but unfortunately, the tests might still not be
> > accurate.)Â
> > > > If you ever have problems sticking to the gf diet, Sveta, just remember
> >
> > > > that CD and GIs are notorious for causing various organ diseases, and
> > in
> > > > particular, auto-immune diseases. CD led to my pancreas, liver, and
> > lung
> > > > problems before I was dxed. I nearly died from liver failure and
> > > > anaphylaxis multiple
> > > > times. I also had osteoporosis and multiple auto-immune and other
> > > > nutritional diseases. [Of course, this is only true if you are so
> > unlucky
> > > > as to possess the genes! But needless to say, I have plenty of impetus
> > to
> > > > keep me on the straight and narrow. ;)]
> > > > Â
> > > > Following the tj channelopathy idea a bit further down the road....
> > CFS/ME
> > > > is thought to be channelopathy related. It looks like CFS/ME is
> > sometimes
> > > > (for at least a subset of people) a result of ANS disorder (autonomic
> > > > nervous system disorder) or adrenal dysfunction. ANS disorder, for me,
> > is
> > > > caused directly by emfs and it worsens, as well, with gluten
> > consumption.Â
> > > > Your fatigue could be ANS disorder related (especially if you latercan
> >
> > > > prove a connection with falling blood pressure). The blood sugar is
> > also
> > > > related to this, as is chills, sweats, heart palps, temp changes,
> > etc....Â
> > > > There is also an adrenal/Â hormonal connectionâ?¦.Â
> > > > Â
> > > > As I understand it, the adrenals send serotonin signals out to
> > communicate
> > > > between the hypothalamus and autonomic nervous system, but serotonin is
> >
> > > > being â?odumpedâ? , metabolically in some people with CFS/ME. That is
> > to
> > > > say, high serotonin metabolites are being found in the urine of some
> > > > people with CFS/ME. (I am one of those people.) The ANS/sympathetic
> > ns
> > > > do not then work correctly for these people. It is not understood
> > whether
> > > > this is caused by excess stress or faulty communication in the body
> > orâ?¦Â
> > > > The adrenals and lymphatics also use all the same nutrients, so if one
> > > > system is over worked, the other will also suffer. I see fibromyalgia
> > as
> > > > a problem directly connected with a dysfunctional lymphatic system. So
> >
> > > > you see, it all goes round and round. All is connected.Â
> > > > Â
> > > > In searching channelopathy and tj research, one can see multiple ways
> > our
> > > > various health problems interconnect. Metals are not utilizedand do
> > not
> > > > store correctly in people with tj channelopathy often, either.  If
> > > > memory serves, this takes place due to a deficiency in metalothionienes
> >
> > > > which causes mercury/some other metal hoarding and odd other metal
> > > > storage issues. Often tj proteins are also faultyâ?"especially the
> > > > claudens proteins. Faulty claudens proteins have their own
> > > > dysfunctionality associated with them; for one thing, the polarity of
> > > > cells become reversed. It is complicated, but all is intertwined, like
> > a
> > > > massive health labyrinth.
> > > > Â
> > > > Sorry to hear about your anemia woes, Sveta! I can relate, having
> > nearly
> > > > died several times, from age 18 to 49, from anemias (pernicious and
> > > > iron-deficiency). My ferritin level was sometimes as low as 2on the
> > same
> > > > ferritin test you mention. Btw, I don't know if this will relate to
> > you
> > > > or not, but the hematologist found that my hemoglobin count was an
> > > > inaccurate test for iron, for me. Apparently, from years of anemia, my
> >
> > > > body found a new way to utilize iron--sort of like "automatic direct
> > > > with-drawal" from a savings account in a bank. When I got seriously
> > low
> > > > in ferritin iron, my hemoglobin was still often quite high, as a
> > result.Â
> > > > I mention this because many docs these days use ONLY the hemoglobin
> > count
> > > > as a reliable measure. If hemoglobin is high in relation to the
> > actual
> > > > ferritin stores, you could find yourself near death before a doctor
> > would
> > > > notice it. [The importance of this was brought home to me last year
> > when
> > > > I accidently
> > > > severed an artery and my ER docs couldn't figure out why my hemoglobin
> > > > count was not tanking after 4 hours of unsuccessfully trying to stop my
> >
> > > > bleeding! (Obviously I was not gushing for 4 hours, but they could not
> >
> > > > totally stop bleeding for 4 hours/most of that time I was
> > > > tourniqueted.)]
> > > > Â
> > > > You ask specifically if your reaction at the Apple Store sounded like
> > > > blood-pressure plummeting. Well, no, if you have anemia, it is likely
> > > > anemia--but they feel alot alike. If you have a feeling of internal
> > > > bodily "pressure" which accompanies these other feelings you describe,
> > > > then it could be blood pressure related. The "pressure"comes from
> > your
> > > > body trying to raise your bp back up, often not adequately or even
> > totally
> > > > failing to do so.
> > > > Â
> > > > I have also read of the connection you mention re Andy Cutler's
> > theory. I
> > > > have no concrete info on that to send right now other than what I have
> > > > just shared, but if I stumble back upon it I will try to remember to
> > send
> > > > it to you. It makes sense and fits right into the tj profile of metal
> > > > hoarding and then having storage issues with other metals, which is
> > > > already known to exist. I have asked many times in the past if others
> > > > wanted me to share my specific tj research findings (as I find it;
> > after I
> > > > find it and move on, all I have is a file of honking long research
> > > > studies!)Â Until recently, nobody seemed interested in any of this
> > > > research so I never sent specifics. If I know people actuallywill
> > read
> > > > it, I will share excerpts and sites as I find them.
> > > > Â
> > > > Sorry, speaking of honking long! Lololol�..
> > > > Â
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > > Diane
> > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 12:27 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take
> >
> > > > all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your
> > posts
> > > > as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have
> > > > debilitatingly low mental energy.
> > > >
> > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon
> >
> > > > that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and
> > > > anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a
> > > > seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonderif
> > my
> > > > body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A
> > > > couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin,
> > > > hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was
> > however
> > > > "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was
> > in
> > > > the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway-
> > > > because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time -
> >
> > > > the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended
> > by
> > > > some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork
> > about
> > > > a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels
> > were
> > > > below normal, and my ferritin had "plummeted" to
> > > > about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these
> > > > values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010)
> > > > bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten
> > > > worse - or at least hasn't improved.
> > > >
> > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing
> > with
> > > > a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an
> > obvious
> > > > way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008
> > -
> > > > and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this
> > has
> > > > really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my
> > anemia.
> > > > Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic -
> > ferritin/iron
> > > > levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative
> > > > stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is
> > > > mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic
> > > > toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). SoI'm
> >
> > > > wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to
> > "dump"
> > > > iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
> > > >
> > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something
> > > > "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of
> > extreme
> > > > fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became
> > > > cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it wasso
> > bad
> > > > that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby
> > bench
> > > > in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time
> > making
> > > > it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store
> > > > entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which
> > made
> > > > me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My
> > legs
> > > > felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided
> > to
> > > > "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook
> >
> > > > Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a
> > > > Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in frontof,
> >
> > > > say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I
> > > > wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this
> > reaction.
> > > >
> > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of
> > the
> > > > laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure
> >
> > > > that you describe?
> > > >
> > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle(or
> > at
> > > > the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it
> > was
> > > > Stephen! :)
> > > >
> > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > >
> > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also
> > > > noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher
> > than
> > > > I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to
> > > > developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message)
> > > > about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar
> > > > levels.
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie
> > <evie15422@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > > > > Â
> > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these
> > > > > problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.Â
> > > > > (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound
> > so
> > > > > much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn
> > in
> > > > > the past year or two in some public opinion.Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes anduse
> >
> > > > > that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us haveÂ
> > > > > noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our
> > > > > symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is
> > so
> > > > > easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what
> > you
> > > > > are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you
> > are
> > > > > imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.Â
> > Monitor
> > > > > yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for
> > you,
> > > > > and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart
> > rate
> > > > > goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.ÂMost people
> > will
> > > > > agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes
> >
> > > > > up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate
> > is
> > > > > the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But
> > you
> > > > > might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,
> > > > > respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I
> > > > > also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check
> >
> > > > > them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)Â If you
> > > > > experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit
> > > > > temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a
> > less
> > > > > profound finding than tanking bp. If you find
> > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor
> > for
> > > > > ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from
> >
> > > > > electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> > > > > Â
> > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting
> > bp
> > > > > is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it
> >
> > > > > can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that
> >
> > > > > with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp
> > > > > tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When Ibring my
> > bp
> > > > > back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will
> > > > > also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some
> > > > > degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over
> > a
> > > > > long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can
> > get
> > > > > the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even
> > a
> > > > > couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back
> > up.Â
> > > > > This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while,
> > my
> > > > > body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and itÂ
> > becomes
> > > > > an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if youcan get
> > > > > people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info
> > as
> > > > > you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.Â
> > Share
> > > > > with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding
> > greenÂ
> > > > > (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to
> > share
> > > > > with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles
> > at a
> > > > > time.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > I wish you the best,
> > > > > Diane
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Stephen,
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;)
> > > > > Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by
> > these
> > > > > so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions
> > about
> > > > > the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what
> > they're
> > > > > actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And
> > there
> > > > > are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish
> > decisions
> > > > > that harm the masses.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most
> > > > > effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has
> > > > > contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more
> > difficult
> > > > > for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> > > > >
> > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation
> > with
> > > > > my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi.
> > He
> > > > > still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't
> > receive
> > > > > the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a
> > > > > couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't
> > just
> > > > > idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away -it
> > > > > will be at least June/July before it's done.)
> > > > >
> > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were
> >
> > > > > "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media
> > finally
> > > > > validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think
> > Europe
> > > > > may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on
> > -
> > > > > the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more
> > > > > progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public
> > > > > welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it
> > is
> > > > > over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish,
> > > > > profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that
> >
> > > > > all of this "technological progress" is doing.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My
> > > > > sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability
> > so
> > > > > I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else
> > in
> > > > > my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able
> > to
> > > > > turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the
> > > > > company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea*to
> > > > > hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our
> > wireless
> > > > > signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our
> > > > > phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone
> > not
> > > > > being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a
> > > > > really messed-up situation.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged.
> > Back
> > > > > in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station,
> > > > > which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this
> > phone
> > > > > uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be
> > "dangerous",
> > > > > lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at
> >
> > > > > least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I
> > became
> > > > > more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of
> > > > > months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being
> > right
> > > > > beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep
> > > > > difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get
> > rid
> > > > > of it, though!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: GLUTEN, NACL AND EMF (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes)
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 6:03 PM
> It is easier for me to believe the
> enzymes are the problem, rather than the
> gluten.
>
> "As enzymes are classed as "processing aids" they do not
> need to be included
> on the food label."
>
> Enzymes can also be used as flavor enhancers, by letting
> them degrade to
> free up the glutamate.  Then they are equivalent to
> MSG.
>
> I also think sea salt at concentrations that taste good
> probably is healthy.
> The reason they sneak MSG into everything is because they
> want to keep the
> sodium low.  We need sodium, and magnesium.  But
> the cheap table salt has
> all the magnesium removed (so the salt is really an
> industrial by-product of
> magnesium production).
>
>
> On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:29 AM, stephen_vandevijvere <
> [hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I'm reading that "bread improver" is a combination of
> chemicals and
> > enzymes...
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_improver
> >
> > Well, if we skip on all processed foods, grains,
> gluten, sweeteners and
> > pesticides that's healthier... And surprise-surprise
> quite close to the
> > paleo-diet!
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles"
> > <charles@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > No, it is not only gluten.
> > >
> > > Many types of bread contain what we call overhere
> *bread improver*.
> > > That means that your bread will act like rubber
> next week, when you press
> > on
> > > it.
> > >
> > > We have stopped using bread altogether.
> > > My wife uses rice crackers, and I use wheat
> crackers.
> > >
> > > One should try this and see if you experience a
> difference.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Norton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "stephen_vandevijvere"
> <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> > > To: <[hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 3:11 PM
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: GLUTEN, NACL AND EMF (was:
> Wifi on Mac Mini desktop
> > -
> > > WiFi woes)
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > 1. I definitely agree with Diane's findings on
> GLUTEN. I've read more on
> > > this recently. In my opinion not only those
> "diagnosed" to be intolerant
> > to
> > > gluten would benefit from eating gluten-free, but
> EVERYBODY would! Gluten
> >
> > > are a man-made invention, and not a great one for
> our health. You can
> > read a
> > > lot of scientific reports on this, and all these
> could be summarized in
> > one
> > > sentence: Glutens in our diet only do bad stuff!
> It causes tj perm bbb,
> > > inflammation in the intestines, leaky gut,. and
> althus a lot of
> > auto-immune
> > > diseases.
> > >
> > > 2. Same thing with salt NaCl (or kitchen salt but
> also very present in
> > > sea/Himalayan salt, high mineral waters and
> processed foods). It's toxic
> > and
> > > we should avoid it as much as possible. It's the
> organic Sodium (Na) we
> > need
> > > not the toxic inorganic NaCl. It is proven that
> NaCl also opens the tight
> >
> > > junctions.
> > >
> > > 3. And yes also EMF opens the tight junctions.
> (and blood clogging)
> > >
> > >
> > > SOURCES ON THIS (also in addition to Diane's
> postings):
> > >
> > > 1. GLUTEN
> > >
> > > .the more gluten we eat, the greater is the risk
> of protein fragments
> > > entering our bloodstream.
> > > .Disruption of TJ allows harmful substances such
> as gluten fragments to
> > slip
> > > through them.
> > > .The longer we eat gluten, the greater is our
> risk of developing other
> > > auto-immune disorders.
> > >
> > > www.dfwpsoriasis.org/glutensensitivity.doc
> > >
> > > ...Gluten is considered unhealthy for many people
> because it is a protein
> >
> > > found in grains such as wheat and barley that can
> cause an inflammation
> > in
> > > the intestines...
> > >
> > > http://www.ehow.com/video_4738853_gluten-unhealthy.html
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. NACL
> > >
> > > .There was a negative correlation between the
> concentration of NaCl and
> > the
> > > fraction of intact tight junctions.
> > > http://erj.ersjournals.com/cgi/content/full/20/6/1444
> > >
> > > ...Ingesting inorganic sodium chloride will
> result in an accumulation of
> > > sodium outside the cell and will pull water from
> the cells into the
> > > extracellular space by virtue of its
> concentration. In addition, water is
> >
> > > withdrawn from the tissues in order to neutralize
> and suspend this toxic
> > > poison and then it is excreted via various routes
> (skin, kidneys, bowels,
> >
> > > etc.). This inorganic mineral is totally unusable
> by our body and is
> > > excreted in the same form that it is ingested
> without being broken down
> > or
> > > utilized. It creates an unnecessary hardship and
> wastage of energy on the
> >
> > > body in general.
> > >
> > > ...The body needs sodium, but in small
> quantities. We get it from the
> > fruits
> > > and vegetables we eat. Good tomatoes taste a
> little salty. Celery,
> > spinach
> > > and dark greens are naturally rich in salt. The
> sodium that natural foods
> >
> > > contain is enough to meet our needs. By adding
> sea salt to our diet, we
> > are
> > > almost certain to take in too much sodium, and
> this will lead toseveral
> > > imbalances...
> > >
> > > ...Sea salt is touted as being healthier than
> table salt because the
> > former
> > > has more trace minerals and the latter is heat
> processed. Nonetheless,
> > > sodium chloride in any form is toxic- it impairs
> all of our metabolic and
> >
> > > cellular functions. Because it is toxic, the body
> retains water to dilute
> >
> > > the toxicity so we don't die. This is edema, and
> it can result in
> > headaches
> > > and heart irregularity. When we are retaining
> water, the fluid balance in
> >
> > > the body is out of balance and cellular transport
> is Impaired. The body
> > > needs to maintain the fluid pressure inside the
> cells at a specific ratio
> > to
> > > the fluid pressure outside of the cells. When we
> have extra high fluid
> > > pressure outside of the cells as a result of salt
> eating, the cells are
> > not
> > > able to efficiently transport normal metabolic
> wastes out of the cells,
> > thus
> > > we become more and more toxic, leading to chronic
> fatigue and illness.
> > > Furthermore, the body needs to maintain specific
> concentration ratios of
> > > sodium to potassium inside and outside of the
> cells for proper
> > functioning.
> > > A high salt diet leads to excess sodium becoming
> "locked into" cells,
> > > creating cellular dysfunction. This has been
> linked to many modern
> > diseases,
> > > including cancer, diabetes, hardening of
> arteries, hypertension, kidney
> > > disease, nervous disorders, and osteoporosis.
> > >
> > > As long as we have salt in our diet, we cannot
> effectively detoxify, lose
> >
> > > excess weight and completely heal. Once we
> discontinue salt, it can take
> > as
> > > many as a few years to offload all of the excess
> sodium...
> > >
> > >
> > http://tribes.tribe.net/goodliving/thread/a5046a04-d910-4cf3-9503-75a867b0c242
> > >
> > >
> > > 3. EMF
> > >
> > > EMF causes tj perm. (Andrew Goldsworthy):
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.slideshare.net/staywired/andrew-goldsworthy-to-british-society-for-ecological-medicine-at-the-royal-college-of-general-practitioners-presentation
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie <evie15422@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > > > Â
> > > > Sorry I am so far behind in my email. Just
> getting to this post you
> > > > addressed to me 10 days ago! (Sorry
> this is long, but I am relating
> > > > various problems we here mention often in
> one email.)
> > > > Â
> > > > As to your question on whether I know a
> direct relationship between
> > anemia
> > > > and ES....
> > > > Well, I know a very good indirect
> relationship--celiac disease/gluten
> > > > intolerance. Also, later in this email I
> will try to explain a
> > > > relationship which may relate to
> ironâ?"namely tight junction
> > > > channelopathy which goes along with your
> Andy Cutler theory.Â
> > > > Â
> > > > With CD/GI, the gut/gut tjs (tight
> junctions) are often damaged at the
> >
> > > > very place iron is carried across into
> your blood (this is also true
> > of
> > > > B12, and various other nutrients. This
> thwarts proper uptake of the
> > iron
> > > > and B12, etc, into the cells and so iron,
> etc, often ends up getting
> > > > dumped un-usably into the blood stream.Â
> This is due to the nutrients
> > > > lacking the proper carrier proteins to get
> them into the cells. (For
> > me,
> > > > this constant iron dumping into the blood
> stream also led to too much
> > iron
> > > > in the liver and liver cirrhosis.)Â
> > > > Â
> > > > CD is a genetic disease which causes the
> protein, zonulin, to be
> > released
> > > > in abnormally high amounts when a person
> with the necessary genesÂ
> > > > consumes more than 50 parts/million of a
> gluten-containing food (I
> > suspect
> > > > the 50ppm is not exactly correct, but this
> is a long and controverial
> > > > subject. I find it is just best to avoid
> ALL GLUTEN and gluten
> > > > contaminations).Â
> > > > Â
> > > > ANYWAY.... when zonulin is released in the
> abnormally high amounts, it
> >
> > > > causes the tjs (tight junctions) of the gut
> to open. Once the zonulin
> > and
> > > > glutens enter the blood stream, they become
> "ZOT"--"zonulin occult
> > > > toxin".  The ZOT then attacks the
> tjs of particular organs and the
> > > > blood-brain barrier.  How does this play
> into ES, you ask? Research
> > has
> > > > been done which suggests that EMFS also do
> the same thing--they open
> > the
> > > > tjs of the bbb (and possibly other
> organs. I am not sure whether
> > anyone
> > > > knows this at this time, whether other
> organs' tjs are affected or just
> >
> > > > the BBB). Â But that is not the ONLY
> connection with ES. (Read on.)Â
> > > > Â
> > > > TJs are not supposed to open. And in
> CD/some GIs (gluten
> > intolerances),
> > > > the tjs can eventually get damaged to the
> extent that they no longerÂ
> > > > close. This is called "ion channelopathy"
> disease. I mean, opening
> > tjs
> > > > and tjs which no longer close are a type of
> ion channelopathy disease.Â
> >
> > > > There are at least 100 currently known
> channelopathy diseases. Many of
> >
> > > > those relate specifically to in-operational
> tjs. I have long noticed a
> >
> > > > relationship between people who get ES and a
> tendency toward gluten
> > > > intolerance here at this forum. I am *not*
> saying that everyone here
> > has
> > > > celiac disease or gluten-intolerance. I am
> saying that everyone here
> > has
> > > > similarities in tight junction dysfunction
> and POSSIBLY some here have
> > > > also celiac disease or glutenÂ
> intolerance. There are, however, also
> > > > various bacteria and cigularia (a fish
> toxin) which cause ZOT and tj
> > > > damage. Â
> > > > Â
> > > > I would give you, Sveta, a higher than
> average probability of CD/GI
> > or
> > > > one of these other zot issues, due to your
> also having the serious
> > > > problems with anemia that you have
> mentioned. It is worth a test to
> > see,
> > > > Sveta, if you haven't yet gone there, butÂ
> you cannot have accurate
> > blood
> > > > tests or biopsy once you go gf. (Actually
> I do remember reading that
> > you
> > > > are going gf, the question tho is whether
> you are TOTALLY gf. For
> > those
> > > > with extensive tj bbb damage, it is likely
> they would need to even go
> > gf
> > > > with toiletries/etc and eat only foods made
> in a dedicated facility to
> > > > avoid glutens, but unfortunately, the tests
> might still not be
> > accurate.)Â
> > > > If you ever have problems sticking to the gf
> diet, Sveta, just remember
> >
> > > > that CD and GIs are notorious for causing
> various organ diseases, and
> > in
> > > > particular, auto-immune diseases. CD led
> to my pancreas, liver, and
> > lung
> > > > problems before I was dxed. I nearly died
> from liver failure and
> > > > anaphylaxis multiple
> > > > times. I also had osteoporosis and
> multiple auto-immune and other
> > > > nutritional diseases. [Of course, this is
> only true if you are so
> > unlucky
> > > > as to possess the genes! But needless to
> say, I have plenty of impetus
> > to
> > > > keep me on the straight and narrow. ;)]
> > > > Â
> > > > Following the tj channelopathy idea a bit
> further down the road....
> > CFS/ME
> > > > is thought to be channelopathy related. It
> looks like CFS/ME is
> > sometimes
> > > > (for at least a subset of people) a result
> of ANS disorder (autonomic
> > > > nervous system disorder) or adrenal
> dysfunction. ANS disorder, for me,
> > is
> > > > caused directly by emfs and it worsens, as
> well, with gluten
> > consumption.Â
> > > > Your fatigue could be ANS disorder related
> (especially if you later can
> >
> > > > prove a connection with falling blood
> pressure). The blood sugar is
> > also
> > > > related to this, as is chills, sweats, heart
> palps, temp changes,
> > etc....Â
> > > > There is also an adrenal/Â hormonal
> connectionâ?¦.Â
> > > > Â
> > > > As I understand it, the adrenals send
> serotonin signals out to
> > communicate
> > > > between the hypothalamus and autonomic
> nervous system, but serotonin is
> >
> > > > being â?odumpedâ? , metabolically in some
> people with CFS/ME. That is
> > to
> > > > say, high serotonin metabolites are being
> found in the urine of some
> > > > people with CFS/ME. (I am one of those
> people.)Â The ANS/sympathetic
> > ns
> > > > do not then work correctly for these
> people. It is not understood
> > whether
> > > > this is caused by excess stress or faulty
> communication in the body
> > orâ?¦Â
> > > > The adrenals and lymphatics also use all the
> same nutrients, so if one
> > > > system is over worked, the other will also
> suffer. I see fibromyalgia
> > as
> > > > a problem directly connected with a
> dysfunctional lymphatic system. So
> >
> > > > you see, it all goes round and round. All
> is connected.Â
> > > > Â
> > > > In searching channelopathy and tj research,
> one can see multiple ways
> > our
> > > > various health problems interconnect.Â
> Metals are not utilized and do
> > not
> > > > store correctly in people with tj
> channelopathy often, either.  If
> > > > memory serves, this takes place due to a
> deficiency in metalothionienes
> >
> > > > which causes mercury/some other metal
> hoarding and odd other metal
> > > > storage issues. Often tj proteins are also
> faultyâ?"especially the
> > > > claudens proteins. Faulty claudens
> proteins have their own
> > > > dysfunctionality associated with them; for
> one thing, the polarity of
> > > > cells become reversed. It is complicated,
> but all is intertwined, like
> > a
> > > > massive health labyrinth.
> > > > Â
> > > > Sorry to hear about your anemia woes,
> Sveta! I can relate, having
> > nearly
> > > > died several times, from age 18 to 49, from
> anemias (pernicious and
> > > > iron-deficiency). My ferritin level was
> sometimes as low as 2 on the
> > same
> > > > ferritin test you mention. Btw, I don't
> know if this will relate to
> > you
> > > > or not, but the hematologist found that my
> hemoglobin count was an
> > > > inaccurate test for iron, for me.Â
> Apparently, from years of anemia, my
> >
> > > > body found a new way to utilize iron--sort
> of like "automatic direct
> > > > with-drawal" from a savings account in aÂ
> bank. When I got seriously
> > low
> > > > in ferritin iron, my hemoglobin was still
> often quite high, as a
> > result.Â
> > > > I mention this because many docs these days
> use ONLY the hemoglobin
> > count
> > > > as a reliable measure. If hemoglobin is
> high in relation to the
> > actual
> > > > ferritin stores, you could find yourself
> near death before a doctor
> > would
> > > > notice it. [The importance of this was
> brought home to me last year
> > when
> > > > I accidently
> > > > severed an artery and my ER docs couldn't
> figure out why my hemoglobin
> > > > count was not tanking after 4 hours of
> unsuccessfully trying to stop my
> >
> > > > bleeding! (Obviously I was not gushing for
> 4 hours, but they could not
> >
> > > > totally stop bleeding for 4 hours/most
> of that time I was
> > > > tourniqueted.)]
> > > > Â
> > > > You ask specifically if your reaction at the
> Apple Store sounded like
> > > > blood-pressure plummeting. Well, no, if
> you have anemia, it is likely
> > > > anemia--but they feel alot alike. If you
> have a feeling of internal
> > > > bodily "pressure" which accompanies these
> other feelings you describe,
> > > > then it could be blood pressure related.Â
> The "pressure" comes from
> > your
> > > > body trying to raise your bp back up, often
> not adequately or even
> > totally
> > > > failing to do so.
> > > > Â
> > > > I have also read of the connection you
> mention re Andy Cutler's
> > theory. I
> > > > have no concrete info on that to send right
> now other than what I have
> > > > just shared, but if I stumble back upon it
> I will try to remember to
> > send
> > > > it to you. It makes sense and fits right
> into the tj profile of metal
> > > > hoarding and then having storage issues with
> other metals, which is
> > > > already known to exist. I have asked many
> times in the past if others
> > > > wanted me to share my specific tj research
> findings (as I find it;
> > after I
> > > > find it and move on, all I have is a file of
> honking long research
> > > > studies!)Â Until recently, nobody seemed
> interested in any of this
> > > > research so I never sent specifics. If I
> know people actually will
> > read
> > > > it, I will share excerpts and sites as I
> find them.
> > > > Â
> > > > Sorry, speaking of honking long!Â
> Lolololâ?¦..
> > > > Â
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > > Diane
> > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, svetaswan
> <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini
> desktop - WiFi woes
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 12:27 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the response and for the great
> suggestions Diane - I'll take
> >
> > > > all of this into consideration.
> Unfortunately I cannot answer your
> > posts
> > > > as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to -
> because I continue to have
> > > > debilitatingly low mental energy.
> > > >
> > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology
> and the effects of emfs upon
> >
> > > > that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of
> any link between emfs and
> > > > anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has
> worsened at a
> > > > seemingly-accelerated rate over the past
> year or two - and I wonder if
> > my
> > > > body's increased reaction to certain emfs
> has contributed to this. A
> > > > couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially"
> anemic - my hemoglobin,
> > > > hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the
> "normal" range. I was
> > however
> > > > "warned" by those who go by the "alternative
> health" credo that I was
> > in
> > > > the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be
> functionally anemic, anyway -
> > > > because my ferritin was pretty low (it was
> 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time -
> >
> > > > the typical range is something like 10 - 291
> ng/mL. It is recommended
> > by
> > > > some that your ferritin be at least 40.).
> Well, when I had bloodwork
> > about
> > > > a year ago - my red blood cell count,
> hemoglobin, hematocrit levels
> > were
> > > > below normal, and my ferritin had
> "plummeted" to
> > > > about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and
> 2008 - the levels of these
> > > > values held relatively steady.) I haven't
> had any recent (2010)
> > > > bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I
> suspect my anemia has gotten
> > > > worse - or at least hasn't improved.
> > > >
> > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward
> explanation - I've been dealing
> > with
> > > > a problem that could definitely
> cause/contribute to anemia in an
> > obvious
> > > > way. Then again, I was dealing with this
> same problem in 2007 and 2008
> > -
> > > > and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent
> during those years. So this
> > has
> > > > really made me wonder if something else may
> be contributing to my
> > anemia.
> > > > Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is
> mercury toxic -
> > ferritin/iron
> > > > levels can plummet because it's the body's
> way of reducing oxidative
> > > > stress (excess iron can cause oxidative
> stress - and when the body is
> > > > mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron
> can act as a "synergistic
> > > > toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what
> it can - the iron.). So I'm
> >
> > > > wondering if electromagnetic radiation could
> also cause the body to
> > "dump"
> > > > iron - for similar reasons (free radicals,
> oxidative stress, etc.).
> > > >
> > > > During two different visits to the Apple
> Store, I noticed something
> > > > "interesting". At a certain point - I
> developed a sudden case of
> > extreme
> > > > fatigue. It's hard to describe the
> feeling...my lower body became
> > > > cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or
> "lightheaded"....it was so
> > bad
> > > > that I felt the need to leave the store and
> take a rest on a nearby
> > bench
> > > > in the mall. During the second episode, I
> had a *really* hard time
> > making
> > > > it to the bench - which was only about 15 or
> 20 feet from the store
> > > > entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to
> rest/steady myself, which
> > made
> > > > me afraid that I was going to faint or
> collapse from the fatigue. My
> > legs
> > > > felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia -
> and I wondered why it decided
> > to
> > > > "act up" right when I was standing in front
> of the Macbooks and Macbook
> >
> > > > Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in
> front of a Macbook or a
> > > > Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while
> I was standing in front of,
> >
> > > > say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I
> > > > wondered if it was something about the
> laptops that caused this
> > reaction.
> > > >
> > > > But you mention the blood-pressure
> reaction...my reaction in front of
> > the
> > > > laptops seems like it could have been the
> sudden drop of blood pressure
> >
> > > > that you describe?
> > > >
> > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens
> while I was in the middle (or
> > at
> > > > the end) of one of my "spells" inside the
> Apple Store - I believe it
> > was
> > > > Stephen! :)
> > > >
> > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > >
> > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that
> revealed my anemia - I also
> > > > noticed that my fasting glucose level was on
> the high side....higher
> > than
> > > > I thought it should be. It made me worry
> that I was on my way to
> > > > developing diabetes. I've since found out
> (reinforced by your message)
> > > > about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity",
> could raise blood sugar
> > > > levels.
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie
> > <evie15422@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > > > > Â
> > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS,
> CFS, FMS....) all have these
> > > > > problems you mention with normal
> people; you are not alone, Sveta.Â
> > > > > (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the
> "Normals". It makes it sound
> > so
> > > > > much more Orwellian. ;) )  But
> I have been seeing a bit of a turn
> > in
> > > > > the past year or two in some public
> opinion.Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have
> bp/heart rate changes and use
> >
> > > > > that if you do for "proof". I have no
> idea how many of us haveÂ
> > > > > noticeable autonomic nervous system
> changes, but almost all of our
> > > > > symptoms (as mentioned by others
> here) can relate to the ANS. It is
> > so
> > > > > easy to monitor yourself to find out.Â
> I would not tell anyone what
> > you
> > > > > are doing, tho, until you work it
> out. They may see it as proof you
> > are
> > > > > imagining things if you cannot elicit
> meaningful readings.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > You just buy a good quality blood
> pressure/heart rate monitor.Â
> > Monitor
> > > > > yourself when you feel your best,
> then when you feel "normal" for
> > you,
> > > > > and then again when you feel really
> stressed out by emfs. My heart
> > rate
> > > > > goes up with bad emfs, and my bp
> tanks with bad emfs. Most people
> > will
> > > > > agree that you can'tÂ
> psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes
> >
> > > > > up, yes; that might be a sign you are
> upset, etc.... The heart rate
> > is
> > > > > the same--it means little to people if
> that changes, usually. But
> > you
> > > > > might be able to find temperature
> changes, blood sugar changes,
> > > > > respiration changes, etc, also that
> accompany bad emf exposures. (I
> > > > > also have temperature and blood sugar
> changes which show when I check
> >
> > > > > them, but the bp is the easiest and
> most reliable for me.)Â If you
> > > > > experience chills after emf exposure,
> it is likely you can elicit
> > > > > temperature differences on a
> thermometer, but it will likely be a
> > less
> > > > > profound finding than tanking bp. If
> you find
> > > > > theae changes to be the case, however,
> you can also go to a doctor
> > for
> > > > > ANS disorder testing. (But these docs
> do not yet recognise emfs from
> >
> > > > > electrics and cell towers as causal to
> this disorder.)
> > > > > Â
> > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean
> significantly. My normal resting
> > bp
> > > > > is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.Â
> When IÂ feel ill from bad emfs, it
> >
> > > > > can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and
> I have had even lower than that
> >
> > > > > with longer exposures. With
> experience, I have found that this bp
> > > > > tanking is what causes the exhaustion
> which follows. When I bring my
> > bp
> > > > > back up (with supplements), the
> exhaustion also clears up. You will
> > > > > also see that your body tries to right
> itself, bp-wise, and to some
> > > > > degree it can do this often. So you
> will have to take readings over
> > a
> > > > > long period of time to understand how
> your body works. I often can
> > get
> > > > > the lowest reading taking bp when I
> feel my worst, but if I wait even
> > a
> > > > > couple minutes, my body will try and
> succeed in bringing my bp back
> > up.Â
> > > > > This is why long term exposures are
> more meaningful. After a while,
> > my
> > > > > body can no longer deal with it and
> stresses out.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > It is empowering when you have people
> who support you and itÂ
> > becomes
> > > > > an added obstacle when you don't. It
> is most helpful if you can get
> > > > > people to believe you, if you can.Â
> Give them as much computer info
> > as
> > > > > you can too, Sveta--show them the
> research and magazine articles.Â
> > Share
> > > > > with them the warning that Sweden (?)
> gave its citizens regarding
> > greenÂ
> > > > > (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good
> info here in the past year to
> > share
> > > > > with others. Don't give reams of
> info--just one or 2 good articles
> > at a
> > > > > time.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > I wish you the best,
> > > > > Diane
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan
> <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini
> desktop - WiFi woes
> > > > > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Stephen,
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly
> isn't doing me any good. ;)
> > > > > Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot
> of harm is being done by
> > these
> > > > > so-called "normal" people sitting in
> board rooms making decisions
> > about
> > > > > the technology that is supposedly
> "safe" for everyone (but what
> > they're
> > > > > actually concerned about is what is
> more profitable to them). And
> > there
> > > > > are other "normal" people in power
> making some evil, selfish
> > decisions
> > > > > that harm the masses.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing
> my symptoms in the most
> > > > > effective way - the frustrating thing
> about it is that e.s. has
> > > > > contributed to this difficulty. So e.s.
> itself makes it more
> > difficult
> > > > > for some people to articulate their
> e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> > > > >
> > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of
> hope - from my conversation
> > with
> > > > > my Dad, he seems to be more open to the
> idea of getting rid of WiFi.
> > He
> > > > > still seems to think that it's "all in
> my head" - but I didn't
> > receive
> > > > > the strong resistance to the idea of
> dismantling WiFi that I did a
> > > > > couple of months ago. We'll see where
> this goes - I hope it wasn't
> > just
> > > > > idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it
> won't be done right away - it
> > > > > will be at least June/July before it's
> done.)
> > > > >
> > > > > So your parents have come around - I
> guess they now see that you were
> >
> > > > > "ahead of your time". :) I guess it
> feels good to have the media
> > finally
> > > > > validate what you've been feeling and
> knowing for years. I think
> > Europe
> > > > > may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes
> to considering - and acting on
> > -
> > > > > the dangers of this wireless
> technology. Then again, Europe is more
> > > > > progressive than the U.S. when it comes
> to many matters of public
> > > > > welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't
> seem to be a bad word like it
> > is
> > > > > over here.). I'm afraid that America is
> just too full of selfish,
> > > > > profit-mongering folks to fully
> investigate or admit to the harm that
> >
> > > > > all of this "technological progress" is
> doing.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night
> - well, it's complicated. My
> > > > > sleep-wake cycle is really messed up
> and irregular (I'm on disability
> > so
> > > > > I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping
> during the time when someone else
> > in
> > > > > my household is awake (and using the
> computer). When I have been able
> > to
> > > > > turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a
> definite relief. Also, the
> > > > > company that provides our wireless
> internet got the *bright idea* to
> > > > > hook up the phone lines to the same
> device that sends out our
> > wireless
> > > > > signal - so, powering off the WiFi
> router also means turning off our
> > > > > phone lines. So, to get relief from
> WiFi - it means risking someone
> > not
> > > > > being able to reach us via phone in the
> case of an emergency. It's a
> > > > > really messed-up situation.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I
> may be guilty as charged.
> > Back
> > > > > in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless
> phone (with a base station,
> > > > > which is in their bedroom) for
> Christmas. I'm guessing that this
> > phone
> > > > > uses DECT technology - it works too
> well for it not to be
> > "dangerous",
> > > > > lol. But I've never noticed any
> symptoms from the cordless phone - at
> >
> > > > > least not before my computer-induced
> e.s. got out of hand and I
> > became
> > > > > more aware of the issue of emf. And
> when I asked my mom a couple of
> > > > > months ago if she noticed any symptoms
> from the base station being
> > right
> > > > > beside her bed, she laughed and said
> "no". No apparent sleep
> > > > > difficulites. ..nothing. It still
> doesn't mean that we shouldn't get
> > rid
> > > > > of it, though!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have
> been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >
> > 
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     [hidden email]
>
>
>

>
> Hi, Stephen,
>  
> Forgive me, Steph, Snoshoe, and Stephen, for not replying to all your mails.  I am still quite behind.  It may be awhile before I am online again--I'm waiting for an answer via email about a plastering product or I wouldn't be online right now.  But since I am, I might as well make the most of the wait....  lol
>  
> Stephen, Epsom Salts is just one nutrient one needs to add to soil when planting veggies/fruits/flowers.  Another good addition is "fish emulsion" but NEVER add sea salt or table salt.  NaCl, whether it be in table salt or sea salt form, will kill your plants and beneficial soil micro-organisms. 
>  
> Get out there gardening, Stephen!  ;)
> Diane
>
> --- On Mon, 5/31/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: GLUTEN, NACL AND EMF (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes)
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 5:16 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> About the enzymes, I believe they are a problem too. In my post I didn't mean we only need to avoid gluten and NaCl.
>
> About the minerals, well we definitely need Sodium, Magnesium,...
>
> But inorganic Sodium as in NaCl (in kitchen/sea salt) really is toxic. Sea salt does have the 84 essential minerals we need so also some Magnesium, but because they are inorganic we don't absorb them very well.
>
> Our drinking water should have a minimum of minerals so the water doesn'tdeprive you from minerals when drinking, but our body needs the organic minerals such as in vegetables.
>
> There are a lot of sources on this for instance:
>
> http://tribes.tribe.net/goodliving/thread/a5046a04-d910-4cf3-9503-75a867b0c242
>
> Probably there aren't enough organic minerals in our vegetables anymore due to the depleted land... That's why we should all go bio-farming with epsom salt (MgSO4) or sea salt as a fertilizer!? Interesting read here about an Australian who's using sea salt (withoug NaCl) to fertilize his land so the vegetables are higher in organic minerals...
>
> http://www.acresusa.com/toolbox/reprints/Mar06_Amena.pdf
>
> Stephen.
>
> --- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
> >
> > It is easier for me to believe the enzymes are the problem, rather thanthe
> > gluten.
> >
> > "As enzymes are classed as "processing aids" they do not need to be included
> > on the food label."
> >
> > Enzymes can also be used as flavor enhancers, by letting them degrade to
> > free up the glutamate. Then they are equivalent to MSG.
> >
> > I also think sea salt at concentrations that taste good probably is healthy.
> > The reason they sneak MSG into everything is because they want to keep the
> > sodium low. We need sodium, and magnesium. But the cheap table salt has
> > all the magnesium removed (so the salt is really an industrial by-product of
> > magnesium production).
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:29 AM, stephen_vandevijvere <
> > stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm reading that "bread improver" is a combination of chemicals and
> > > enzymes...
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_improver
> > >
> > > Well, if we skip on all processed foods, grains, gluten, sweeteners and
> > > pesticides that's healthier... And surprise-surprise quite close to the
> > > paleo-diet!
> > >
> > > Stephen.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles"
> > > <charles@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No, it is not only gluten.
> > > >
> > > > Many types of bread contain what we call overhere *bread improver*.
> > > > That means that your bread will act like rubber next week, when youpress
> > > on
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > We have stopped using bread altogether.
> > > > My wife uses rice crackers, and I use wheat crackers.
> > > >
> > > > One should try this and see if you experience a difference.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > Charles Claessens
> > > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > > checked by Norton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > > > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 3:11 PM
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: GLUTEN, NACL AND EMF (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop
> > > -
> > > > WiFi woes)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > 1. I definitely agree with Diane's findings on GLUTEN. I've read more on
> > > > this recently. In my opinion not only those "diagnosed" to be intolerant
> > > to
> > > > gluten would benefit from eating gluten-free, but EVERYBODY would! Gluten
> > >
> > > > are a man-made invention, and not a great one for our health. You can
> > > read a
> > > > lot of scientific reports on this, and all these could be summarized in
> > > one
> > > > sentence: Glutens in our diet only do bad stuff! It causes tj perm bbb,
> > > > inflammation in the intestines, leaky gut,. and althus a lot of
> > > auto-immune
> > > > diseases.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Same thing with salt NaCl (or kitchen salt but also very presentin
> > > > sea/Himalayan salt, high mineral waters and processed foods). It's toxic
> > > and
> > > > we should avoid it as much as possible. It's the organic Sodium (Na) we
> > > need
> > > > not the toxic inorganic NaCl. It is proven that NaCl also opens thetight
> > >
> > > > junctions.
> > > >
> > > > 3. And yes also EMF opens the tight junctions. (and blood clogging)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > SOURCES ON THIS (also in addition to Diane's postings):
> > > >
> > > > 1. GLUTEN
> > > >
> > > > .the more gluten we eat, the greater is the risk of protein fragments
> > > > entering our bloodstream.
> > > > .Disruption of TJ allows harmful substances such as gluten fragments to
> > > slip
> > > > through them.
> > > > .The longer we eat gluten, the greater is our risk of developing other
> > > > auto-immune disorders.
> > > >
> > > > www.dfwpsoriasis.org/glutensensitivity.doc
> > > >
> > > > ...Gluten is considered unhealthy for many people because it is a protein
> > >
> > > > found in grains such as wheat and barley that can cause an inflammation
> > > in
> > > > the intestines...
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ehow.com/video_4738853_gluten-unhealthy.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2. NACL
> > > >
> > > > .There was a negative correlation between the concentration of NaCland
> > > the
> > > > fraction of intact tight junctions.
> > > > http://erj.ersjournals.com/cgi/content/full/20/6/1444
> > > >
> > > > ...Ingesting inorganic sodium chloride will result in an accumulation of
> > > > sodium outside the cell and will pull water from the cells into the
> > > > extracellular space by virtue of its concentration. In addition, water is
> > >
> > > > withdrawn from the tissues in order to neutralize and suspend this toxic
> > > > poison and then it is excreted via various routes (skin, kidneys, bowels,
> > >
> > > > etc.). This inorganic mineral is totally unusable by our body and is
> > > > excreted in the same form that it is ingested without being broken down
> > > or
> > > > utilized. It creates an unnecessary hardship and wastage of energy on the
> > >
> > > > body in general.
> > > >
> > > > ...The body needs sodium, but in small quantities. We get it from the
> > > fruits
> > > > and vegetables we eat. Good tomatoes taste a little salty. Celery,
> > > spinach
> > > > and dark greens are naturally rich in salt. The sodium that naturalfoods
> > >
> > > > contain is enough to meet our needs. By adding sea salt to our diet, we
> > > are
> > > > almost certain to take in too much sodium, and this will lead toseveral
> > > > imbalances...
> > > >
> > > > ...Sea salt is touted as being healthier than table salt because the
> > > former
> > > > has more trace minerals and the latter is heat processed. Nonetheless,
> > > > sodium chloride in any form is toxic- it impairs all of our metabolic and
> > >
> > > > cellular functions. Because it is toxic, the body retains water to dilute
> > >
> > > > the toxicity so we don't die. This is edema, and it can result in
> > > headaches
> > > > and heart irregularity. When we are retaining water, the fluid balance in
> > >
> > > > the body is out of balance and cellular transport is Impaired. The body
> > > > needs to maintain the fluid pressure inside the cells at a specificratio
> > > to
> > > > the fluid pressure outside of the cells. When we have extra high fluid
> > > > pressure outside of the cells as a result of salt eating, the cellsare
> > > not
> > > > able to efficiently transport normal metabolic wastes out of the cells,
> > > thus
> > > > we become more and more toxic, leading to chronic fatigue and illness.
> > > > Furthermore, the body needs to maintain specific concentration ratios of
> > > > sodium to potassium inside and outside of the cells for proper
> > > functioning.
> > > > A high salt diet leads to excess sodium becoming "locked into" cells,
> > > > creating cellular dysfunction. This has been linked to many modern
> > > diseases,
> > > > including cancer, diabetes, hardening of arteries, hypertension, kidney
> > > > disease, nervous disorders, and osteoporosis.
> > > >
> > > > As long as we have salt in our diet, we cannot effectively detoxify, lose
> > >
> > > > excess weight and completely heal. Once we discontinue salt, it cantake
> > > as
> > > > many as a few years to offload all of the excess sodium...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://tribes.tribe.net/goodliving/thread/a5046a04-d910-4cf3-9503-75a867b0c242
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 3. EMF
> > > >
> > > > EMF causes tj perm. (Andrew Goldsworthy):
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://www.slideshare.net/staywired/andrew-goldsworthy-to-british-society-for-ecological-medicine-at-the-royal-college-of-general-practitioners-presentation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie <evie15422@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Sorry I am so far behind in my email. Just getting to this post you
> > > > > addressed to me 10 days ago! (Sorry this is long, but I am relating
> > > > > various problems we here mention often in one email.)
> > > > > Â
> > > > > As to your question on whether I know a direct relationship between
> > > anemia
> > > > > and ES....
> > > > > Well, I know a very good indirect relationship--celiac disease/gluten
> > > > > intolerance. Also, later in this email I will try to explain a
> > > > > relationship which may relate to ironâ?"namely tight junction
> > > > > channelopathy which goes along with your Andy Cutler theory.Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > With CD/GI, the gut/gut tjs (tight junctions) are often damaged at the
> > >
> > > > > very place iron is carried across into your blood (this is also true
> > > of
> > > > > B12, and various other nutrients. This thwarts proper uptake of the
> > > iron
> > > > > and B12, etc, into the cells and so iron, etc, often ends up getting
> > > > > dumped un-usably into the blood stream. This is due to the nutrients
> > > > > lacking the proper carrier proteins to get them into the cells. (For
> > > me,
> > > > > this constant iron dumping into the blood stream also led to too much
> > > iron
> > > > > in the liver and liver cirrhosis.)Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > CD is a genetic disease which causes the protein, zonulin, to be
> > > released
> > > > > in abnormally high amounts when a person with the necessarygenesÂ
> > > > > consumes more than 50 parts/million of a gluten-containing food (I
> > > suspect
> > > > > the 50ppm is not exactly correct, but this is a long and controverial
> > > > > subject. I find it is just best to avoid ALL GLUTEN and gluten
> > > > > contaminations).Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > ANYWAY.... when zonulin is released in the abnormally high amounts, it
> > >
> > > > > causes the tjs (tight junctions) of the gut to open. Once the zonulin
> > > and
> > > > > glutens enter the blood stream, they become "ZOT"--"zonulin occult
> > > > > toxin".  The ZOT then attacks the tjs of particular organs and the
> > > > > blood-brain barrier.  How does this play into ES, youask? Research
> > > has
> > > > > been done which suggests that EMFS also do the same thing--they open
> > > the
> > > > > tjs of the bbb (and possibly other organs. I am not sure whether
> > > anyone
> > > > > knows this at this time, whether other organs' tjs are affected or just
> > >
> > > > > the BBB).  But that is not the ONLY connection with ES. (Read on.)Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > TJs are not supposed to open. And in CD/some GIs (gluten
> > > intolerances),
> > > > > the tjs can eventually get damaged to the extent that they no longerÂ
> > > > > close. This is called "ion channelopathy" disease. I mean, opening
> > > tjs
> > > > > and tjs which no longer close are a type of ion channelopathy disease.Â
> > >
> > > > > There are at least 100 currently known channelopathy diseases. Many of
> > >
> > > > > those relate specifically to in-operational tjs. I have long noticed a
> > >
> > > > > relationship between people who get ES and a tendency toward gluten
> > > > > intolerance here at this forum. I am *not* saying that everyone here
> > > has
> > > > > celiac disease or gluten-intolerance. I am saying that everyone here
> > > has
> > > > > similarities in tight junction dysfunction and POSSIBLY some herehave
> > > > > also celiac disease or gluten intolerance. There are,however, also
> > > > > various bacteria and cigularia (a fish toxin) which cause ZOT andtj
> > > > > damage. Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > I would give you, Sveta, a higher than average probability of CD/GI
> > > or
> > > > > one of these other zot issues, due to your also having the serious
> > > > > problems with anemia that you have mentioned. It is worth a test to
> > > see,
> > > > > Sveta, if you haven't yet gone there, but you cannot have accurate
> > > blood
> > > > > tests or biopsy once you go gf. (Actually I do remember reading that
> > > you
> > > > > are going gf, the question tho is whether you are TOTALLY gf. For
> > > those
> > > > > with extensive tj bbb damage, it is likely they would need to even go
> > > gf
> > > > > with toiletries/etc and eat only foods made in a dedicated facility to
> > > > > avoid glutens, but unfortunately, the tests might still not be
> > > accurate.)Â
> > > > > If you ever have problems sticking to the gf diet, Sveta, just remember
> > >
> > > > > that CD and GIs are notorious for causing various organ diseases,and
> > > in
> > > > > particular, auto-immune diseases. CD led to my pancreas, liver, and
> > > lung
> > > > > problems before I was dxed. I nearly died from liver failure and
> > > > > anaphylaxis multiple
> > > > > times. I also had osteoporosis and multiple auto-immune andother
> > > > > nutritional diseases. [Of course, this is only true if you are so
> > > unlucky
> > > > > as to possess the genes! But needless to say, I have plentyof impetus
> > > to
> > > > > keep me on the straight and narrow. ;)]
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Following the tj channelopathy idea a bit further down the road....
> > > CFS/ME
> > > > > is thought to be channelopathy related. It looks like CFS/ME is
> > > sometimes
> > > > > (for at least a subset of people) a result of ANS disorder (autonomic
> > > > > nervous system disorder) or adrenal dysfunction. ANS disorder, for me,
> > > is
> > > > > caused directly by emfs and it worsens, as well, with gluten
> > > consumption.Â
> > > > > Your fatigue could be ANS disorder related (especially if you later can
> > >
> > > > > prove a connection with falling blood pressure). The blood sugar is
> > > also
> > > > > related to this, as is chills, sweats, heart palps, temp changes,
> > > etc....Â
> > > > > There is also an adrenal/Â hormonal connectionâ?¦.Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > As I understand it, the adrenals send serotonin signals out to
> > > communicate
> > > > > between the hypothalamus and autonomic nervous system, but serotonin is
> > >
> > > > > being â?odumpedâ? , metabolically in some people with CFS/ME. That is
> > > to
> > > > > say, high serotonin metabolites are being found in the urine of some
> > > > > people with CFS/ME. (I am one of those people.) The ANS/sympathetic
> > > ns
> > > > > do not then work correctly for these people. It is not understood
> > > whether
> > > > > this is caused by excess stress or faulty communication in the body
> > > orâ?¦Â
> > > > > The adrenals and lymphatics also use all the same nutrients, so if one
> > > > > system is over worked, the other will also suffer. I see fibromyalgia
> > > as
> > > > > a problem directly connected with a dysfunctional lymphatic system. So
> > >
> > > > > you see, it all goes round and round. All is connected.Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > In searching channelopathy and tj research, one can see multiple ways
> > > our
> > > > > various health problems interconnect. Metals are not utilized and do
> > > not
> > > > > store correctly in people with tj channelopathy often, either.  If
> > > > > memory serves, this takes place due to a deficiency in metalothionienes
> > >
> > > > > which causes mercury/some other metal hoarding and odd other metal
> > > > > storage issues. Often tj proteins are also faultyâ?"especially the
> > > > > claudens proteins. Faulty claudens proteins have their own
> > > > > dysfunctionality associated with them; for one thing, the polarity of
> > > > > cells become reversed. It is complicated, but all is intertwined, like
> > > a
> > > > > massive health labyrinth.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Sorry to hear about your anemia woes, Sveta! I can relate, having
> > > nearly
> > > > > died several times, from age 18 to 49, from anemias (pernicious and
> > > > > iron-deficiency). My ferritin level was sometimes as low as2 on the
> > > same
> > > > > ferritin test you mention. Btw, I don't know if this will relate to
> > > you
> > > > > or not, but the hematologist found that my hemoglobin count was an
> > > > > inaccurate test for iron, for me. Apparently, from years ofanemia, my
> > >
> > > > > body found a new way to utilize iron--sort of like "automatic direct
> > > > > with-drawal" from a savings account in a bank. When I got seriously
> > > low
> > > > > in ferritin iron, my hemoglobin was still often quite high, as a
> > > result.Â
> > > > > I mention this because many docs these days use ONLY the hemoglobin
> > > count
> > > > > as a reliable measure. If hemoglobin is high in relation to the
> > > actual
> > > > > ferritin stores, you could find yourself near death before a doctor
> > > would
> > > > > notice it. [The importance of this was brought home to me last year
> > > when
> > > > > I accidently
> > > > > severed an artery and my ER docs couldn't figure out why my hemoglobin
> > > > > count was not tanking after 4 hours of unsuccessfully trying to stop my
> > >
> > > > > bleeding! (Obviously I was not gushing for 4 hours, but they could not
> > >
> > > > > totally stop bleeding for 4 hours/most of that time Iwas
> > > > > tourniqueted.)]
> > > > > Â
> > > > > You ask specifically if your reaction at the Apple Store sounded like
> > > > > blood-pressure plummeting. Well, no, if you have anemia, itis likely
> > > > > anemia--but they feel alot alike. If you have a feeling of internal
> > > > > bodily "pressure" which accompanies these other feelings you describe,
> > > > > then it could be blood pressure related. The "pressure" comes from
> > > your
> > > > > body trying to raise your bp back up, often not adequately or even
> > > totally
> > > > > failing to do so.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > I have also read of the connection you mention re Andy Cutler's
> > > theory. I
> > > > > have no concrete info on that to send right now other than what Ihave
> > > > > just shared, but if I stumble back upon it I will try to remember to
> > > send
> > > > > it to you. It makes sense and fits right into the tj profile of metal
> > > > > hoarding and then having storage issues with other metals, which is
> > > > > already known to exist. I have asked many times in the pastif others
> > > > > wanted me to share my specific tj research findings (as I find it;
> > > after I
> > > > > find it and move on, all I have is a file of honking long research
> > > > > studies!)Â Until recently, nobody seemed interested in any of this
> > > > > research so I never sent specifics. If I know people actually will
> > > read
> > > > > it, I will share excerpts and sites as I find them.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Sorry, speaking of honking long! Lololol�..
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > Diane
> > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 12:27 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take
> > >
> > > > > all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your
> > > posts
> > > > > as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have
> > > > > debilitatingly low mental energy.
> > > > >
> > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon
> > >
> > > > > that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and
> > > > > anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a
> > > > > seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if
> > > my
> > > > > body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A
> > > > > couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin,
> > > > > hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was
> > > however
> > > > > "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that Iwas
> > > in
> > > > > the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway -
> > > > > because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time -
> > >
> > > > > the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended
> > > by
> > > > > some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork
> > > about
> > > > > a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels
> > > were
> > > > > below normal, and my ferritin had "plummeted" to
> > > > > about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these
> > > > > values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010)
> > > > > bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten
> > > > > worse - or at least hasn't improved.
> > > > >
> > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing
> > > with
> > > > > a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an
> > > obvious
> > > > > way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and2008
> > > -
> > > > > and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this
> > > has
> > > > > really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my
> > > anemia.
> > > > > Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic -
> > > ferritin/iron
> > > > > levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative
> > > > > stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is
> > > > > mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic
> > > > > toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm
> > >
> > > > > wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to
> > > "dump"
> > > > > iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
> > > > >
> > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something
> > > > > "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of
> > > extreme
> > > > > fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became
> > > > > cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so
> > > bad
> > > > > that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby
> > > bench
> > > > > in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time
> > > making
> > > > > it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store
> > > > > entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which
> > > made
> > > > > me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue.My
> > > legs
> > > > > felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided
> > > to
> > > > > "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook
> > >
> > > > > Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook ora
> > > > > Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of,
> > >
> > > > > say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I
> > > > > wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this
> > > reaction.
> > > > >
> > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of
> > > the
> > > > > laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure
> > >
> > > > > that you describe?
> > > > >
> > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or
> > > at
> > > > > the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believeit
> > > was
> > > > > Stephen! :)
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - Ialso
> > > > > noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher
> > > than
> > > > > I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to
> > > > > developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message)
> > > > > about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar
> > > > > levels.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie
> > > <evie15422@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > > > > > Â
> > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these
> > > > > > problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.Â
> > > > > > (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound
> > > so
> > > > > > much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn
> > > in
> > > > > > the past year or two in some public opinion.Â
> > > > > > Â
> > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use
> > >
> > > > > > that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of ushaveÂ
> > > > > > noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our
> > > > > > symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is
> > > so
> > > > > > easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what
> > > you
> > > > > > are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it asproof you
> > > are
> > > > > > imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
> > > > > > Â
> > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.Â
> > > Monitor
> > > > > > yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for
> > > you,
> > > > > > and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs.ÂMy heart
> > > rate
> > > > > > goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people
> > > will
> > > > > > agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes
> > >
> > > > > > up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate
> > > is
> > > > > > the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But
> > > you
> > > > > > might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,
> > > > > > respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I
> > > > > > also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when Icheck
> > >
> > > > > > them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)Â If you
> > > > > > experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit
> > > > > > temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely bea
> > > less
> > > > > > profound finding than tanking bp. If you find
> > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor
> > > for
> > > > > > ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from
> > >
> > > > > > electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> > > > > > Â
> > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting
> > > bp
> > > > > > is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it
> > >
> > > > > > can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had evenlower than that
> > >
> > > > > > with longer exposures. With experience, I have found thatthis bp
> > > > > > tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. WhenI bring my
> > > bp
> > > > > > back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will
> > > > > > also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some
> > > > > > degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over
> > > a
> > > > > > long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can
> > > get
> > > > > > the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even
> > > a
> > > > > > couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back
> > > up.Â
> > > > > > This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while,
> > > my
> > > > > > body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
> > > > > > Â
> > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you andÂitÂ
> > > becomes
> > > > > > an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get
> > > > > > people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info
> > > as
> > > > > > you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.Â
> > > Share
> > > > > > with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding
> > > greenÂ
> > > > > > (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in thepast year to
> > > share
> > > > > > with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 goodarticles
> > > at a
> > > > > > time.
> > > > > > Â
> > > > > > I wish you the best,
> > > > > > Diane
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Â
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Stephen,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good.;)
> > > > > > Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by
> > > these
> > > > > > so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions
> > > about
> > > > > > the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what
> > > they're
> > > > > > actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And
> > > there
> > > > > > are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish
> > > decisions
> > > > > > that harm the masses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most
> > > > > > effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has
> > > > > > contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more
> > > difficult
> > > > > > for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation
> > > with
> > > > > > my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi.
> > > He
> > > > > > still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't
> > > receive
> > > > > > the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a
> > > > > > couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't
> > > just
> > > > > > idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away- it
> > > > > > will be at least June/July before it's done.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were
> > >
> > > > > > "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media
> > > finally
> > > > > > validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think
> > > Europe
> > > > > > may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on
> > > -
> > > > > > the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more
> > > > > > progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public
> > > > > > welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it
> > > is
> > > > > > over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish,
> > > > > > profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that
> > >
> > > > > > all of this "technological progress" is doing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My
> > > > > > sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability
> > > so
> > > > > > I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else
> > > in
> > > > > > my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able
> > > to
> > > > > > turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the
> > > > > > company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to
> > > > > > hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our
> > > wireless
> > > > > > signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our
> > > > > > phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone
> > > not
> > > > > > being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a
> > > > > > really messed-up situation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged.
> > > Back
> > > > > > in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station,
> > > > > > which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this
> > > phone
> > > > > > uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be
> > > "dangerous",
> > > > > > lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at
> > >
> > > > > > least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I
> > > became
> > > > > > more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of
> > > > > > months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being
> > > right
> > > > > > beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep
> > > > > > difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get
> > > rid
> > > > > > of it, though!
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> It is easier for me to believe the enzymes are the problem, rather than the
> gluten.
>
> "As enzymes are classed as "processing aids" they do not need to be included
> on the food label."
>
> Enzymes can also be used as flavor enhancers, by letting them degrade to
> free up the glutamate. Then they are equivalent to MSG.
>
> I also think sea salt at concentrations that taste good probably is healthy.
> The reason they sneak MSG into everything is because they want to keep the
> sodium low. We need sodium, and magnesium. But the cheap table salt has
> all the magnesium removed (so the salt is really an industrial by-productof
> magnesium production).
>
>
> On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:29 AM, stephen_vandevijvere <
> stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I'm reading that "bread improver" is a combination of chemicals and
> > enzymes...
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_improver
> >
> > Well, if we skip on all processed foods, grains, gluten, sweeteners and
> > pesticides that's healthier... And surprise-surprise quite close to the
> > paleo-diet!
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles"
> > <charles@> wrote:
> > >
> > > No, it is not only gluten.
> > >
> > > Many types of bread contain what we call overhere *bread improver*.
> > > That means that your bread will act like rubber next week, when you press
> > on
> > > it.
> > >
> > > We have stopped using bread altogether.
> > > My wife uses rice crackers, and I use wheat crackers.
> > >
> > > One should try this and see if you experience a difference.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Norton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 3:11 PM
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: GLUTEN, NACL AND EMF (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop
> > -
> > > WiFi woes)
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > 1. I definitely agree with Diane's findings on GLUTEN. I've read moreon
> > > this recently. In my opinion not only those "diagnosed" to be intolerant
> > to
> > > gluten would benefit from eating gluten-free, but EVERYBODY would! Gluten
> >
> > > are a man-made invention, and not a great one for our health. You can
> > read a
> > > lot of scientific reports on this, and all these could be summarized in
> > one
> > > sentence: Glutens in our diet only do bad stuff! It causes tj perm bbb,
> > > inflammation in the intestines, leaky gut,. and althus a lot of
> > auto-immune
> > > diseases.
> > >
> > > 2. Same thing with salt NaCl (or kitchen salt but also very present in
> > > sea/Himalayan salt, high mineral waters and processed foods). It's toxic
> > and
> > > we should avoid it as much as possible. It's the organic Sodium (Na) we
> > need
> > > not the toxic inorganic NaCl. It is proven that NaCl also opens the tight
> >
> > > junctions.
> > >
> > > 3. And yes also EMF opens the tight junctions. (and blood clogging)
> > >
> > >
> > > SOURCES ON THIS (also in addition to Diane's postings):
> > >
> > > 1. GLUTEN
> > >
> > > .the more gluten we eat, the greater is the risk of protein fragments
> > > entering our bloodstream.
> > > .Disruption of TJ allows harmful substances such as gluten fragments to
> > slip
> > > through them.
> > > .The longer we eat gluten, the greater is our risk of developing other
> > > auto-immune disorders.
> > >
> > > www.dfwpsoriasis.org/glutensensitivity.doc
> > >
> > > ...Gluten is considered unhealthy for many people because it is a protein
> >
> > > found in grains such as wheat and barley that can cause an inflammation
> > in
> > > the intestines...
> > >
> > > http://www.ehow.com/video_4738853_gluten-unhealthy.html
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. NACL
> > >
> > > .There was a negative correlation between the concentration of NaCl and
> > the
> > > fraction of intact tight junctions.
> > > http://erj.ersjournals.com/cgi/content/full/20/6/1444
> > >
> > > ...Ingesting inorganic sodium chloride will result in an accumulationof
> > > sodium outside the cell and will pull water from the cells into the
> > > extracellular space by virtue of its concentration. In addition, water is
> >
> > > withdrawn from the tissues in order to neutralize and suspend this toxic
> > > poison and then it is excreted via various routes (skin, kidneys, bowels,
> >
> > > etc.). This inorganic mineral is totally unusable by our body and is
> > > excreted in the same form that it is ingested without being broken down
> > or
> > > utilized. It creates an unnecessary hardship and wastage of energy onthe
> >
> > > body in general.
> > >
> > > ...The body needs sodium, but in small quantities. We get it from the
> > fruits
> > > and vegetables we eat. Good tomatoes taste a little salty. Celery,
> > spinach
> > > and dark greens are naturally rich in salt. The sodium that natural foods
> >
> > > contain is enough to meet our needs. By adding sea salt to our diet, we
> > are
> > > almost certain to take in too much sodium, and this will lead toseveral
> > > imbalances...
> > >
> > > ...Sea salt is touted as being healthier than table salt because the
> > former
> > > has more trace minerals and the latter is heat processed. Nonetheless,
> > > sodium chloride in any form is toxic- it impairs all of our metabolicand
> >
> > > cellular functions. Because it is toxic, the body retains water to dilute
> >
> > > the toxicity so we don't die. This is edema, and it can result in
> > headaches
> > > and heart irregularity. When we are retaining water, the fluid balance in
> >
> > > the body is out of balance and cellular transport is Impaired. The body
> > > needs to maintain the fluid pressure inside the cells at a specific ratio
> > to
> > > the fluid pressure outside of the cells. When we have extra high fluid
> > > pressure outside of the cells as a result of salt eating, the cells are
> > not
> > > able to efficiently transport normal metabolic wastes out of the cells,
> > thus
> > > we become more and more toxic, leading to chronic fatigue and illness.
> > > Furthermore, the body needs to maintain specific concentration ratiosof
> > > sodium to potassium inside and outside of the cells for proper
> > functioning.
> > > A high salt diet leads to excess sodium becoming "locked into" cells,
> > > creating cellular dysfunction. This has been linked to many modern
> > diseases,
> > > including cancer, diabetes, hardening of arteries, hypertension, kidney
> > > disease, nervous disorders, and osteoporosis.
> > >
> > > As long as we have salt in our diet, we cannot effectively detoxify, lose
> >
> > > excess weight and completely heal. Once we discontinue salt, it can take
> > as
> > > many as a few years to offload all of the excess sodium...
> > >
> > >
> > http://tribes.tribe.net/goodliving/thread/a5046a04-d910-4cf3-9503-75a867b0c242
> > >
> > >
> > > 3. EMF
> > >
> > > EMF causes tj perm. (Andrew Goldsworthy):
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.slideshare.net/staywired/andrew-goldsworthy-to-british-society-for-ecological-medicine-at-the-royal-college-of-general-practitioners-presentation
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie <evie15422@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > > > Â
> > > > Sorry I am so far behind in my email. Just getting to this post you
> > > > addressed to me 10 days ago! (Sorry this is long,but I am relating
> > > > various problems we here mention often in one email.)
> > > > Â
> > > > As to your question on whether I know a direct relationship between
> > anemia
> > > > and ES....
> > > > Well, I know a very good indirect relationship--celiac disease/gluten
> > > > intolerance. Also, later in this email I will try to explain a
> > > > relationship which may relate to ironâ?"namely tight junction
> > > > channelopathy which goes along with your Andy Cutler theory.Â
> > > > Â
> > > > With CD/GI, the gut/gut tjs (tight junctions) are often damaged at the
> >
> > > > very place iron is carried across into your blood (this is also true
> > of
> > > > B12, and various other nutrients. This thwarts proper uptake of the
> > iron
> > > > and B12, etc, into the cells and so iron, etc, often ends up getting
> > > > dumped un-usably into the blood stream. This is due to the nutrients
> > > > lacking the proper carrier proteins to get them into the cells. (For
> > me,
> > > > this constant iron dumping into the blood stream also led to too much
> > iron
> > > > in the liver and liver cirrhosis.)Â
> > > > Â
> > > > CD is a genetic disease which causes the protein, zonulin, to be
> > released
> > > > in abnormally high amounts when a person with the necessary genesÂ
> > > > consumes more than 50 parts/million of a gluten-containing food (I
> > suspect
> > > > the 50ppm is not exactly correct, but this is a long and controverial
> > > > subject. I find it is just best to avoid ALL GLUTEN and gluten
> > > > contaminations).Â
> > > > Â
> > > > ANYWAY.... when zonulin is released in the abnormally high amounts, it
> >
> > > > causes the tjs (tight junctions) of the gut to open. Once thezonulin
> > and
> > > > glutens enter the blood stream, they become "ZOT"--"zonulin occult
> > > > toxin".  The ZOT then attacks the tjs of particular organs and the
> > > > blood-brain barrier.  How does this play into ES, you ask? Research
> > has
> > > > been done which suggests that EMFS also do the same thing--they open
> > the
> > > > tjs of the bbb (and possibly other organs. I am not sure whether
> > anyone
> > > > knows this at this time, whether other organs' tjs are affected or just
> >
> > > > the BBB). Â But that is not the ONLY connection with ES.Â(Read on.)Â
> > > > Â
> > > > TJs are not supposed to open. And in CD/some GIs (gluten
> > intolerances),
> > > > the tjs can eventually get damaged to the extent that they nolongerÂ
> > > > close. This is called "ion channelopathy" disease. I mean, opening
> > tjs
> > > > and tjs which no longer close are a type of ion channelopathy disease.Â
> >
> > > > There are at least 100 currently known channelopathy diseases. Many of
> >
> > > > those relate specifically to in-operational tjs. I have long noticed a
> >
> > > > relationship between people who get ES and a tendency toward gluten
> > > > intolerance here at this forum. I am *not* saying that everyone here
> > has
> > > > celiac disease or gluten-intolerance. I am saying that everyone here
> > has
> > > > similarities in tight junction dysfunction and POSSIBLY some here have
> > > > also celiac disease or gluten intolerance. There are, however, also
> > > > various bacteria and cigularia (a fish toxin) which cause ZOT and tj
> > > > damage. Â
> > > > Â
> > > > I would give you, Sveta, a higher than average probability of CD/GI
> > or
> > > > one of these other zot issues, due to your also having the serious
> > > > problems with anemia that you have mentioned. It is worth a test to
> > see,
> > > > Sveta, if you haven't yet gone there, but you cannot have accurate
> > blood
> > > > tests or biopsy once you go gf. (Actually I do remember reading that
> > you
> > > > are going gf, the question tho is whether you are TOTALLY gf.ÂFor
> > those
> > > > with extensive tj bbb damage, it is likely they would need to even go
> > gf
> > > > with toiletries/etc and eat only foods made in a dedicated facilityto
> > > > avoid glutens, but unfortunately, the tests might still not be
> > accurate.)Â
> > > > If you ever have problems sticking to the gf diet, Sveta, just remember
> >
> > > > that CD and GIs are notorious for causing various organ diseases, and
> > in
> > > > particular, auto-immune diseases. CD led to my pancreas, liver, and
> > lung
> > > > problems before I was dxed. I nearly died from liver failure and
> > > > anaphylaxis multiple
> > > > times. I also had osteoporosis and multiple auto-immune and other
> > > > nutritional diseases. [Of course, this is only true if you are so
> > unlucky
> > > > as to possess the genes! But needless to say, I have plenty of impetus
> > to
> > > > keep me on the straight and narrow. ;)]
> > > > Â
> > > > Following the tj channelopathy idea a bit further down the road....
> > CFS/ME
> > > > is thought to be channelopathy related. It looks like CFS/ME is
> > sometimes
> > > > (for at least a subset of people) a result of ANS disorder (autonomic
> > > > nervous system disorder) or adrenal dysfunction. ANS disorder, for me,
> > is
> > > > caused directly by emfs and it worsens, as well, with gluten
> > consumption.Â
> > > > Your fatigue could be ANS disorder related (especially if you latercan
> >
> > > > prove a connection with falling blood pressure). The blood sugar is
> > also
> > > > related to this, as is chills, sweats, heart palps, temp changes,
> > etc....Â
> > > > There is also an adrenal/Â hormonal connectionâ?¦.Â
> > > > Â
> > > > As I understand it, the adrenals send serotonin signals out to
> > communicate
> > > > between the hypothalamus and autonomic nervous system, but serotonin is
> >
> > > > being â?odumpedâ? , metabolically in some people with CFS/ME. That is
> > to
> > > > say, high serotonin metabolites are being found in the urine of some
> > > > people with CFS/ME. (I am one of those people.) The ANS/sympathetic
> > ns
> > > > do not then work correctly for these people. It is not understood
> > whether
> > > > this is caused by excess stress or faulty communication in the body
> > orâ?¦Â
> > > > The adrenals and lymphatics also use all the same nutrients, so if one
> > > > system is over worked, the other will also suffer. I see fibromyalgia
> > as
> > > > a problem directly connected with a dysfunctional lymphatic system. So
> >
> > > > you see, it all goes round and round. All is connected.Â
> > > > Â
> > > > In searching channelopathy and tj research, one can see multiple ways
> > our
> > > > various health problems interconnect. Metals are not utilizedand do
> > not
> > > > store correctly in people with tj channelopathy often, either.  If
> > > > memory serves, this takes place due to a deficiency in metalothionienes
> >
> > > > which causes mercury/some other metal hoarding and odd other metal
> > > > storage issues. Often tj proteins are also faultyâ?"especially the
> > > > claudens proteins. Faulty claudens proteins have their own
> > > > dysfunctionality associated with them; for one thing, the polarity of
> > > > cells become reversed. It is complicated, but all is intertwined, like
> > a
> > > > massive health labyrinth.
> > > > Â
> > > > Sorry to hear about your anemia woes, Sveta! I can relate, having
> > nearly
> > > > died several times, from age 18 to 49, from anemias (pernicious and
> > > > iron-deficiency). My ferritin level was sometimes as low as 2on the
> > same
> > > > ferritin test you mention. Btw, I don't know if this will relate to
> > you
> > > > or not, but the hematologist found that my hemoglobin count was an
> > > > inaccurate test for iron, for me. Apparently, from years of anemia, my
> >
> > > > body found a new way to utilize iron--sort of like "automatic direct
> > > > with-drawal" from a savings account in a bank. When I got seriously
> > low
> > > > in ferritin iron, my hemoglobin was still often quite high, as a
> > result.Â
> > > > I mention this because many docs these days use ONLY the hemoglobin
> > count
> > > > as a reliable measure. If hemoglobin is high in relation to the
> > actual
> > > > ferritin stores, you could find yourself near death before a doctor
> > would
> > > > notice it. [The importance of this was brought home to me last year
> > when
> > > > I accidently
> > > > severed an artery and my ER docs couldn't figure out why my hemoglobin
> > > > count was not tanking after 4 hours of unsuccessfully trying to stop my
> >
> > > > bleeding! (Obviously I was not gushing for 4 hours, but they could not
> >
> > > > totally stop bleeding for 4 hours/most of that time I was
> > > > tourniqueted.)]
> > > > Â
> > > > You ask specifically if your reaction at the Apple Store sounded like
> > > > blood-pressure plummeting. Well, no, if you have anemia, it is likely
> > > > anemia--but they feel alot alike. If you have a feeling of internal
> > > > bodily "pressure" which accompanies these other feelings you describe,
> > > > then it could be blood pressure related. The "pressure"comes from
> > your
> > > > body trying to raise your bp back up, often not adequately or even
> > totally
> > > > failing to do so.
> > > > Â
> > > > I have also read of the connection you mention re Andy Cutler's
> > theory. I
> > > > have no concrete info on that to send right now other than what I have
> > > > just shared, but if I stumble back upon it I will try to remember to
> > send
> > > > it to you. It makes sense and fits right into the tj profile of metal
> > > > hoarding and then having storage issues with other metals, which is
> > > > already known to exist. I have asked many times in the past if others
> > > > wanted me to share my specific tj research findings (as I find it;
> > after I
> > > > find it and move on, all I have is a file of honking long research
> > > > studies!)Â Until recently, nobody seemed interested in any of this
> > > > research so I never sent specifics. If I know people actuallywill
> > read
> > > > it, I will share excerpts and sites as I find them.
> > > > Â
> > > > Sorry, speaking of honking long! Lololol�..
> > > > Â
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > > Diane
> > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 12:27 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take
> >
> > > > all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your
> > posts
> > > > as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have
> > > > debilitatingly low mental energy.
> > > >
> > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon
> >
> > > > that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and
> > > > anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a
> > > > seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonderif
> > my
> > > > body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A
> > > > couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin,
> > > > hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was
> > however
> > > > "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was
> > in
> > > > the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway-
> > > > because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time -
> >
> > > > the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended
> > by
> > > > some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork
> > about
> > > > a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels
> > were
> > > > below normal, and my ferritin had "plummeted" to
> > > > about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these
> > > > values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010)
> > > > bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten
> > > > worse - or at least hasn't improved.
> > > >
> > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing
> > with
> > > > a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an
> > obvious
> > > > way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008
> > -
> > > > and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this
> > has
> > > > really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my
> > anemia.
> > > > Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic -
> > ferritin/iron
> > > > levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative
> > > > stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is
> > > > mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic
> > > > toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). SoI'm
> >
> > > > wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to
> > "dump"
> > > > iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
> > > >
> > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something
> > > > "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of
> > extreme
> > > > fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became
> > > > cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it wasso
> > bad
> > > > that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby
> > bench
> > > > in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time
> > making
> > > > it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store
> > > > entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which
> > made
> > > > me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My
> > legs
> > > > felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided
> > to
> > > > "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook
> >
> > > > Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a
> > > > Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in frontof,
> >
> > > > say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I
> > > > wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this
> > reaction.
> > > >
> > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of
> > the
> > > > laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure
> >
> > > > that you describe?
> > > >
> > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle(or
> > at
> > > > the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it
> > was
> > > > Stephen! :)
> > > >
> > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > >
> > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also
> > > > noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher
> > than
> > > > I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to
> > > > developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message)
> > > > about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar
> > > > levels.
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie
> > <evie15422@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > > > > Â
> > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these
> > > > > problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.Â
> > > > > (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound
> > so
> > > > > much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn
> > in
> > > > > the past year or two in some public opinion.Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes anduse
> >
> > > > > that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us haveÂ
> > > > > noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our
> > > > > symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is
> > so
> > > > > easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what
> > you
> > > > > are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you
> > are
> > > > > imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.Â
> > Monitor
> > > > > yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for
> > you,
> > > > > and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart
> > rate
> > > > > goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.ÂMost people
> > will
> > > > > agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes
> >
> > > > > up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate
> > is
> > > > > the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But
> > you
> > > > > might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,
> > > > > respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I
> > > > > also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check
> >
> > > > > them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)Â If you
> > > > > experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit
> > > > > temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a
> > less
> > > > > profound finding than tanking bp. If you find
> > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor
> > for
> > > > > ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from
> >
> > > > > electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> > > > > Â
> > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting
> > bp
> > > > > is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it
> >
> > > > > can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that
> >
> > > > > with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp
> > > > > tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When Ibring my
> > bp
> > > > > back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will
> > > > > also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some
> > > > > degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over
> > a
> > > > > long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can
> > get
> > > > > the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even
> > a
> > > > > couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back
> > up.Â
> > > > > This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while,
> > my
> > > > > body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and itÂ
> > becomes
> > > > > an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if youcan get
> > > > > people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info
> > as
> > > > > you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.Â
> > Share
> > > > > with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding
> > greenÂ
> > > > > (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to
> > share
> > > > > with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles
> > at a
> > > > > time.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > I wish you the best,
> > > > > Diane
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Stephen,
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;)
> > > > > Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by
> > these
> > > > > so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions
> > about
> > > > > the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what
> > they're
> > > > > actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And
> > there
> > > > > are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish
> > decisions
> > > > > that harm the masses.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most
> > > > > effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has
> > > > > contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more
> > difficult
> > > > > for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> > > > >
> > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation
> > with
> > > > > my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi.
> > He
> > > > > still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't
> > receive
> > > > > the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a
> > > > > couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't
> > just
> > > > > idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away -it
> > > > > will be at least June/July before it's done.)
> > > > >
> > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were
> >
> > > > > "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media
> > finally
> > > > > validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think
> > Europe
> > > > > may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on
> > -
> > > > > the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more
> > > > > progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public
> > > > > welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it
> > is
> > > > > over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish,
> > > > > profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that
> >
> > > > > all of this "technological progress" is doing.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My
> > > > > sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability
> > so
> > > > > I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else
> > in
> > > > > my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able
> > to
> > > > > turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the
> > > > > company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea*to
> > > > > hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our
> > wireless
> > > > > signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our
> > > > > phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone
> > not
> > > > > being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a
> > > > > really messed-up situation.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged.
> > Back
> > > > > in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station,
> > > > > which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this
> > phone
> > > > > uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be
> > "dangerous",
> > > > > lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at
> >
> > > > > least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I
> > became
> > > > > more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of
> > > > > months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being
> > right
> > > > > beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep
> > > > > difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get
> > rid
> > > > > of it, though!
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