SSD drives - worth the cost for emf-reduction?

>
> > I also read about NOT taking calcium supps, unless
> > from food sources, ie yogurt, cheese, and from the sea.
>
> This might be the key difference -- when most people take calcium,
> they take calcium carbonate, which I think is derived from rocks?
> This might be the stuff that's bad for you.
>
> However, if you take a food-based calcium, either from food
> or supplements, then your body may know what to do with it... :-)
>
> Marc
>

> be calcium supplementation so I had to stop - there was also research published
>
> recently here in the UK about calcium supplements fardening the arteries and
> leading to heart disease so I am now very confused about what to do.
>
>
> BW
>
> Steph
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tue, 21 September, 2010 23:28:43
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
>
>  
> Hi Stephen,
>
> Thank you so very much for the detailed information.
>
> I am currently taking calcium but perhaps need to take more and experiment like
>
> you said.
>
> Cheryl
>
> --- On Tue, 9/21/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> wrote:
>
> From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 6:01 AM
>
>  
>
> Hi Cheryl,
>
> Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although

> that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research
>and
>
> they don't know much yet but it seems:
>
> -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you
>definitely
>
> have tj perm.
>
> -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm.
>
> Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody

> body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability?
>
> Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5).
>
> From Tennnant:
>
> pH of...
>
> below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate
>
> 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate
>
> 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate
>
> > 7.5: none
>
> A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the

> cellular pH numbers by about 0.7.
>
> In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's
>
> 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on:
>
> http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html
>
> (Click on how to stay well booklet)
>
> So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried
> Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I
>seem
>
> to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too.
>
> Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful
> with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to
> suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of

> test how much Calcium you feel good or better with.
>
>
> And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much
> Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you
> shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the
>
> morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance...
>
> If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium.
>
> In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes,
> fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-)
>
>
> Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important
> minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these...
>
> gr,
>
> Stephen.
>
> --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Hi Stephen,
>
> >
>
> > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How
>much
>
> >do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to
> >combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work?
>
> >
>
> > Thanks,
>
> >
>
> > Cheryl
>
> >
>
> > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@>
>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
>
> > To: [hidden email]
>
> > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >  
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Hey Svetaswan,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best
> >possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better.
>They
>
> >also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies.
>Kinesiology
>
> >seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my
> >intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy,
> >pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't
>
> >eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the
> >Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes
>
> >of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the
> >same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!)
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the
>Special
>
> >Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would
>
> >benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet).
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And

> >Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy,
> >medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know
> >already, the most difficult part!
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body
> >needs time to adjust.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the

> >emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying
> >problems...
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might
>
> >be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some
>
> >salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it
>seems
>
> >it's sea salt I'm intolerant to!
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and

> >seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she
> >wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm.
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to
> >check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then
>
> >check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test
>you
>
> >take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have
> >more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your
> >Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it
>seems
>
> >likely you have tj perm in some degree.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should
> >check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect
>you're
>
> >experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...!
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should

> >lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten...
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Stephen.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Hi Stephen,
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a
>
> >role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited
>other
>
> >stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't
>have
>
> >the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis"

> >has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been
> >eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I
> >finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice).
> >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more
> >salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried
>
> >to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need
>more
>
> >salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin
>C
>
> >(which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't
> >like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral
> >ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure
>ascorbic
>
> >acid to be too "acidic" for me.)
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to
> >investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and
>
> >if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts"
>even
>
> >recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a

> >"Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be
>
> >*major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was
>a
>
> >test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit
>from
>
> >one (or more) of these exclusion diets.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's

> >something else I'll have to look into.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > ~Svetaswan
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
><stephen_vandevijvere@>
>
> >wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Hi Svetaswan,
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed,
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for
>20
>
> >years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144):
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > ...
>
> >
>
> > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water
> >shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to
>increase
>
> >your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose
>weight
>
> >and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and
> >mineral content.
>
> >
>
> > > > ...
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3
> >grams) of salt in your diet/day.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on
>
> >this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when

> >you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have
> >hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to
> >insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then
>diabetes
>
> >(too high).
> >
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I
>don't
>
> >know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an
> >influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only
> >low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners).
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt,
> >biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with
>those
>
> >having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much
>
> >better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same
>
> >thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I
>had
>
> >times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some
> >dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so
>I'm
>
> >skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is
>much
>
> >better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just
>wanted
>
> >to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without
>
> >knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or

> >with a lot of intolerances/allergies).
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > greets,
>
> >
>
> > > > Stephen.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take
>
> >all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as
> >thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have
>debilitatingly
>
> >low mental energy.
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon
>
> >that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia?
>
> >I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over

> >the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain
>
> >emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially"
> >anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal"
> >range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health"
>credo
>
> >that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic,
> >anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time
>-
>
> >the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some

> >that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year
>ago
>
> >- my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal,
>and
>
> >my ferritin had
>
> > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels
>of
>
> >these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010)
>bloodwork
>
> >- but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least
>
> >hasn't improved.
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing
> >with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious

> >can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also
>cause
>
> >the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative
>stress,
>
> >etc.).
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something
> >"interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme
> >fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became
>cramped/weak,
>
> >I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the
> >need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During

> >collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia -
>and
>
> >I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of
>the
>
> >Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a
> >Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in
>front
>
> >of, say, the Mac Mini,
>
> > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused
> >this reaction.
> >
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of
>the
>
> >laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that
>you
>
> >describe?
> >
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or
>
> >at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was
> >Stephen! :)
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > ~Svetaswan
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also

> >noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I
> >thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing
> >diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad
>emfs,
>
> >or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan,
>
> >
>
> > > > > >  
>
> >
>
> > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these
> >problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. 
>(Hugs) 
>
> >(Lol  I like to call them the "Normals".  It makes it sound so much more
>
> >Orwellian.  ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the
>past year
>
> >or two in some public opinion. 
> >
>
> >
>
> > > > > >  
>
> >
>
> > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use
>
> >that if you do for "proof".  I have no idea how many of us
>have noticeable
>
> >autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned
>
> >by others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to monitor
>yourself to
>
> >find out.  I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work
>it
>
> >out.  They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot
>elicit
>
> >meaningful readings.
>
> >
>
> > > > > >  
>
> >
>
> > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. 
> >Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for
>you,
>
> >and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate
>goes
>
> >up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most people will agree
>that
>
> >you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that
>might
>
> >be a sign you are upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means
>little
>
> >to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be able to find
>temperature
>
> >changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany
>bad
>
> >emf exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show
>
> >when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)  If
>you
>
> >experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature

> >differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding
> than tanking bp.  If you
>
> > find
>
> >
>
> > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor
>for
>
> >ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from
>electrics
>
> >and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> >
>
> >
>
> > > > > >  
>
> >
>
> > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My normal
>resting
>
> >bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When I feel ill from bad emfs, it
>can go
>
> >down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer
>
> >exposures.  With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what
>causes
>
> >the exhaustion which follows.  When I bring my bp back up (with
>supplements),
>
> >the exhaustion also clears up.  You will also see that your body tries to
>right
>
> >itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often.  So you will have
>to
>
> >take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body
>works.  I
>
> >often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait
>
> >even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back
>up. 
>
> >This is why long term exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my
>body
>
> >can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
>
> >
>
> > > > > >  
>
> >
>
> > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you
>and it becomes
>
> >an added obstacle when you don't.  It is most helpful if you can get people
>to
>
> >believe you, if you can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too,
> >Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.  Share with them the
> >warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs,
>etc. 
>
> >We have had good info here in the past year to share with others.  Don't
>give
>
> >reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
>
> >
>
> > > > > >  
>
> >
>
> > > > > > I wish you the best,
>
> >
>
> > > > > > Diane
>
> >
>
> > > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
>
> >
>
> > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
>
> >
>
> > > > > > To: [hidden email]
>
> >
>
> > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
>
> >
>
> > > > > >
>
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> >Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these
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> >that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned
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> >validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be
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> >internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device
> >that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also
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> >station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent
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> Hi Stephen
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> Thanks for this - I like the tip about the oxbile - I had been looking into
> digestive enzymes including ox bile - I tried some without oxbile but didn't get
> very far with them and had to give them up. i think my GB problems are 3 fold a)
> the calcium [i never had this problem before I started the supps] b) bile is
> maybe stanating in my bile duct - its not runny enough and I have always tended
> to eat as low a fat diet as I could - believing the conventional medical advice
> that it was good for you - I now know that to be wrong and consider that i have
> maybe not been eating enough fat, meaning the gallbladder isn't stimulated to
> push the bile out and hence the stagnation and c) I sleep so badly that i tend
> to sleep and breakfast late so that my body is fasting too long [another
> possible GS cause. I have researched this a fair bit over the last while because
> my docs are putting me under pressure to have my GB removed all because of a
> single gall stone - no way am I doing that - not when peppermint tea and
> radishes among other things can dissolve them and plenty of water can thin the
> bile and help move them out. Slippery elm food is also reducing what little pain
> I had with my GB. I think that the health of the liver GB and pancreas are all
> linked with the biggest source of any problems lying in the liver - I am
> currently getting my amalgams removed - I am moving towards the anticandida
> regime [my liver could be congested with candida preventing it detoxing
> normally] and need to get ready to be able to chelate the metals so I am hoping
> that the anticandida regime will help my liver, but I will try the oxbile.
> Problem is conventional docs don't investigate deep enough to see exactly what
> the cause of the problem is (they aren't interested in causes and mapping
> backwards to fix a problem - it is just slice or drug as far as they are
> concerned) so you are having to do a lot of your own detective work. meantime I
> am doing ok for the time being without the calcium and will just have to go with
> that for the time being. At some point I am going to have to go GF and see
> whether that helps too but i can only manage to do one thing at a time LOL.
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> best wishes
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> Steph
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>
> ________________________________
> From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 17:27:14
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
>
>  
> Stephanie, remarkable you mention this...
>
> I had taken Calcium AEP for only 10 days in very low dosages and since then
> having problems with what I'm almost certain is my gallbladder! That's why I
> mentioned I had the impression Ca AEP is not really good for me and that I
> prefer the organic Ca...
>
> Now I start to think about a couple of months ago when I had the same thing,
> similar problems with gallbladder, and I believe that was also when I took a bit
> more then low dosages of the organic Ca...
>
> Although the Ca does me some good, it SEEMS that my gall bladder is also
> sensitive to the Ca (esp. the AEP)!
>
>
> There's a strong link liver-gallbladder, both very important for detox... Maybe
> the Ca makes us more alkaline, accelerates the detox, which is too much for
> gallbladder...
>
> Tennant advises for those that have a gallbladder that has too little bile, to
> supplement with ox bile...
>
> --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote:
> >
> > hi everyone
> >
> > I took calcium in the morning and magnesuim in the evening and it helped a bit
> >-
> >
> > particularly with joint pain which would come on badly for a week at a time -
> > however I was recently diagnosed with a gall stone - and one of the causes can
>
> > be calcium supplementation so I had to stop - there was also research published
> >
> > recently here in the UK about calcium supplements fardening the arteries and
> > leading to heart disease so I am now very confused about what to do.
> >
> >
> > BW
> >
> > Steph
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Tue, 21 September, 2010 23:28:43
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
> >
> >  
> > Hi Stephen,
> >
> > Thank you so very much for the detailed information.
> >
> > I am currently taking calcium but perhaps need to take more and experiment like
> >
> > you said.
> >
> > Cheryl
> >
> > --- On Tue, 9/21/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 6:01 AM
> >
> >  
> >
> > Hi Cheryl,
> >
> > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although
>
> > that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research
> >and
> >
> > they don't know much yet but it seems:
> >
> > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you
> >definitely
> >
> > have tj perm.
> >
> > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm.
> >
> > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody
>
> > to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body
> > voltage = too acid.
> >
> > I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low
>
> > body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability?
> >
> > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5).
> >
> > From Tennnant:
> >
> > pH of...
> >
> > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate
> >
> > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate
> >
> > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate
> >
> > > 7.5: none
> >
> > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the
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> > cellular pH numbers by about 0.7.
> >
> > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's
> >
> > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on:
> >
> > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html
> >
> > (Click on how to stay well booklet)
> >
> > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried
> > Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I
> >seem
> >
> > to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too.
> >
> > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful
> > with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to
> > suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of
>
> > Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to
>
> > test how much Calcium you feel good or better with.
> >
> >
> > And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much
> > Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you
> > shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the
> >
> > morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance...
> >
> > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium.
> >
> > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes,
> > fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-)
> >
> >
> > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important
> > minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these...
> >
> > gr,
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Hi Stephen,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How
> >much
> >
> > >do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to
> > >combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Thanks,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Cheryl
> >
> > >
> >
> > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> >
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
> >
> > > To: [hidden email]
> >
> > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM
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> > > Hey Svetaswan,
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> > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best
> > >possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better.
> >They
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> > >also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods.
> >
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> > > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies.
> >Kinesiology
> >
> > >seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my
> > >intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy,
> > >pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't
> >
> > >eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the
> > >Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes
> >
> > >of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the
> > >same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!)
> >
> > >
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> > >
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> > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the
> >Special
> >
> > >Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would
> >
> > >benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet).
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
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> > >
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> > > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And
>
> > >Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy,
> > >medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know
> > >already, the most difficult part!
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> > > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body
> > >needs time to adjust.
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> > >
> >
> > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the
>
> > >emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying
> > >problems...
> >
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> > >
> >
> > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might
> >
> > >be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some
> >
> > >salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it
> >seems
> >
> > >it's sea salt I'm intolerant to!
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> > >
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> > > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and
>
> > >info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron
>
> > >seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she
> > >wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm.
> > >
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> > >
> >
> > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to
> > >check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then
> >
> > >check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test
> >you
> >
> > >take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have
> > >more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your
> > >Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it
> >seems
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> > >likely you have tj perm in some degree.
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> > > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should
> > >check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect
> >you're
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> > >experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...!
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> > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should
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> > >all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a
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> > >lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten...
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> >
> > > Stephen.
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> >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote:
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> > > > Hi Stephen,
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> >
> > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a
> >
> > >role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited
> >other
> >
> > >stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't
> >have
> >
> > >the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis"
>
> > >has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been
> > >eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I
> > >finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice).
> > >
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> > > >
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> > >
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> > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more
> > >salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried
> >
> > >to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need
> >more
> >
> > >salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin
> >C
> >
> > >(which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't
> > >like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral
> > >ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure
> >ascorbic
> >
> > >acid to be too "acidic" for me.)
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> > >
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> > > >
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> > >
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> > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to
> > >investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and
> >
> > >if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts"
> >even
> >
> > >recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a
>
> > >"Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be
> >
> > >*major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was
> >a
> >
> > >test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit
> >from
> >
> > >one (or more) of these exclusion diets.
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> > >
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> > > >
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> > >
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> > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's
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> > >something else I'll have to look into.
> >
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> > > > ~Svetaswan
> >
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> > >
> >
> > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
> ><stephen_vandevijvere@>
> >
> > >wrote:
> >
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> > > > >
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> > >
> >
> > > > > Hi Svetaswan,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for
> >20
> >
> > >years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144):
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > ...
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water
> > >shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to
> >increase
> >
> > >your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose
> >weight
> >
> > >and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and
> > >mineral content.
> >
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> > > > > ...
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> > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3
> > >grams) of salt in your diet/day.
> >
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> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on
> >
> > >this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when
>
> > >you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have
> > >hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to
> > >insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then
> >diabetes
> >
> > >(too high).
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I
> >don't
> >
> > >know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an
> > >influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only
> > >low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners).
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt,
> > >biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with
> >those
> >
> > >having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much
> >
> > >better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same
> >
> > >thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I
> >had
> >
> > >times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some
> > >dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so
> >I'm
> >
> > >skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is
> >much
> >
> > >better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just
> >wanted
> >
> > >to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without
> >
> > >knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or
>
> > >with a lot of intolerances/allergies).
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > greets,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Stephen.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take
> >
> > >all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as
> > >thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have
> >debilitatingly
> >
> > >low mental energy.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon
> >
> > >that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia?
> >
> > >I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over
>
> > >the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain
> >
> > >emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially"
> > >anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal"
> > >range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health"
> >credo
> >
> > >that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic,
> > >anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time
> >-
> >
> > >the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some
>
> > >that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year
> >ago
> >
> > >- my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal,
> >and
> >
> > >my ferritin had
> >
> > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels
> >of
> >
> > >these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010)
> >bloodwork
> >
> > >- but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least
> >
> > >hasn't improved.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing
> > >with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious
>
> > >way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and
> >my
> >
> > >bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made
> >
> > >me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler
> > >claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet
>
> > >because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can
> >cause
> >
> > >oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of
> >
> > >iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it
>
> > >can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also
> >cause
> >
> > >the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative
> >stress,
> >
> > >etc.).
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something
> > >"interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme
> > >fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became
> >cramped/weak,
> >
> > >I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the
> > >need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During
>
> > >the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which
>
> > >was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a
> >
> > >rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or
>
> > >collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia -
> >and
> >
> > >I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of
> >the
> >
> > >Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a
> > >Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in
> >front
> >
> > >of, say, the Mac Mini,
> >
> > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused
> > >this reaction.
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of
> >the
> >
> > >laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that
> >you
> >
> > >describe?
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or
> >
> > >at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was
> > >Stephen! :)
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also
>
> > >noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I
> > >thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing
> > >diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad
> >emfs,
> >
> > >or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >  
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these
> > >problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. 
> >(Hugs) 
> >
> > >(Lol  I like to call them the "Normals".  It makes it sound so much more
> >
> > >Orwellian.  ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the
> >past year
> >
> > >or two in some public opinion. 
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >  
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use
> >
> > >that if you do for "proof".  I have no idea how many of us
> >have noticeable
> >
> > >autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned
> >
> > >by others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to monitor
> >yourself to
> >
> > >find out.  I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work
> >it
> >
> > >out.  They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot
> >elicit
> >
> > >meaningful readings.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >  
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. 
> > >Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for
> >you,
> >
> > >and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate
> >goes
> >
> > >up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most people will agree
> >that
> >
> > >you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that
> >might
> >
> > >be a sign you are upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means
> >little
> >
> > >to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be able to find
> >temperature
> >
> > >changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany
> >bad
> >
> > >emf exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show
> >
> > >when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)  If
> >you
> >
> > >experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature
>
> > >differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding
> > than tanking bp.  If you
> >
> > > find
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor
> >for
> >
> > >ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from
> >electrics
> >
> > >and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >  
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My normal
> >resting
> >
> > >bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When I feel ill from bad emfs, it
> >can go
> >
> > >down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer
> >
> > >exposures.  With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what
> >causes
> >
> > >the exhaustion which follows.  When I bring my bp back up (with
> >supplements),
> >
> > >the exhaustion also clears up.  You will also see that your body tries to
> >right
> >
> > >itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often.  So you will have
> >to
> >
> > >take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body
> >works.  I
> >
> > >often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait
> >
> > >even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back
> >up. 
> >
> > >This is why long term exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my
> >body
> >
> > >can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >  
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you
> >and it becomes
> >
> > >an added obstacle when you don't.  It is most helpful if you can get people
> >to
> >
> > >believe you, if you can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too,
> > >Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.  Share with them the
> > >warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs,
> >etc. 
> >
> > >We have had good info here in the past year to share with others.  Don't
> >give
> >
> > >reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >  
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > I wish you the best,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > Diane
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > To: [hidden email]
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
> >
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> > > > > > > Hi Stephen,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;)
> > >Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these
> >so-called
> >
> > >"normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology
> > >that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned
> > >about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people
> >
> > >in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most
> > >effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to
> >
> > >this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to
> > >articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation
> >with
> >
> > >my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still
>
> > >seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong
> > >resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago.
>
> > >We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever
> >gets
> >
> > >done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's
>
> > >done.)
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were
> >
> > >"ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally
> > >validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be
> >
> > >ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers
> >of
> >
> > >this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S.
> >
> > >when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't
>
> > >seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just
>
> > >too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to
> >the
> >
> > >harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My
> > >sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I
> >don't
> >
> > >work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household
> >is
> >
> > >awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though
> >-
> >
> > >I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless
> > >internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device
> > >that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also
> >means
> >
> > >turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking
> > >someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's
> >a
> >
> > >really messed-up situation.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged.
> >Back
> >
> > >in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is
> >in
> >
> > >their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT
> >technology
> >
> > >- it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed
>
> > >any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced
> >
> > >e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I
> > >asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base
>
> > >station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent
> >sleep
> >
> > >difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of
> >it,
> >
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>
> Hi Steven
>
> I have been all over gallbladderattack.com for months now - [thanks for the tip
> though!] its a good site but there is a better one which is coming more from
> first principles about liver function [basically if your liver is functioning
> better there should be nothing wrong with your bile] google the Liver Doctor and
> you should get to her site - I am basically just eating my normal diet - which
> would be fairly good anyway - but eating more raw greens and drinking a lot more
> water plus herbal tea like mint and fennel and dousing my salads in a homemade
> dressing with Xtravirgin olive oil, raw garlic and lemon juice - plus taking
> milk thistle and I have improved in leaps and bounds. I can even eat the odd pot
> of creamy yoghurt although I'd stay away from ice cream etc anyway. I am due to
> see the GI surgeon next week and would imagine I will come under all sorts of
> pressure to have my GB whipped out but i will just sit there serenely and say I
> want to keep it [mind you I will want to know precisely whereabouts the single
> GS is and what size it is]
>
> best wishes
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Fri, 24 September, 2010 1:52:25
> Subject: [eSens] Re: organic calcium
>
>  
> > Maybe you mentioned this before, but what exactly are you taking that is
> > "organic calcium" ?
>
> I'm checking the packaging of that organic Herbalife product (probably only sold
> in Belgium/Netherlands)... I thought because it is a mix with a lot of herbs,
> plants and so that the Calcium was organic too, but now I check the ingredients,
> there's a long list of organic stuff + Calcium carbonate!
>
> So the Calcium from that product is inorganic too! Sorry for that, kinda stupid
> of me but thanks for asking, otherwise I still wouldn't 've known this!
>
> Anyway that Ca+organic suppl. is somehow better for me than the Calcium AEP,
> maybe because of the combination with the organic stuff...
>
> Diane combines for a long time already Ca AEP with Pantethine (B5) don't know if
> the Pantethine makes any difference on this...
>
> I'm also wondering that if I would supplement more Magnesium as well, whether
> the negative side effects from taking Calcium would be less...
>
> ps Stephanie, I've found a good diet for us!
> http://www.gallbladderattack.com/gallbladderdiet.shtml
> Must say the potatoes I just ate do me some good! ;-)
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, well it seems I'm more intolerant to the inorganic Calcium AEP than
> > > to the organic Calcium...
> >
> > Maybe you mentioned this before, but what exactly are you taking that is
> > "organic calcium" ?
> >
> > Marc
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>      
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi Steven
>
> I have been all over gallbladderattack.com for months now - [thanks for the tip
>
> though!] its a good site but there is a better one which is coming more from
> first principles about liver function [basically if your liver is functioning
> better there should be nothing wrong with your bile] google the Liver Doctor
>and
>
> you should get to her site - I am basically just eating my normal diet - which

> dressing with Xtravirgin olive oil, raw garlic and lemon juice - plus taking
> milk thistle and I have improved in leaps and bounds. I can even eat the odd
>pot
>
> of creamy yoghurt although I'd stay away from ice cream etc anyway. I am due to
>
> see the GI surgeon next week and would imagine I will come under all sorts of
> pressure to have my GB whipped out but i will just sit there serenely and say I
>
> want to keep it [mind you I will want to know precisely whereabouts the single

> GS is and what size it is]
>
> best wishes
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Fri, 24 September, 2010 1:52:25
> Subject: [eSens] Re: organic calcium
>
>  
> > Maybe you mentioned this before, but what exactly are you taking that is
> > "organic calcium" ?
>
> I'm checking the packaging of that organic Herbalife product (probably only
>sold
>
> in Belgium/Netherlands)... I thought because it is a mix with a lot of herbs,
> plants and so that the Calcium was organic too, but now I check the
>ingredients,
>
> there's a long list of organic stuff + Calcium carbonate!
>
> So the Calcium from that product is inorganic too! Sorry for that, kinda stupid
>
> of me but thanks for asking, otherwise I still wouldn't 've known this!
>
> Anyway that Ca+organic suppl. is somehow better for me than the Calcium AEP,
> maybe because of the combination with the organic stuff...
>
> Diane combines for a long time already Ca AEP with Pantethine (B5) don't know
>if
>
> the Pantethine makes any difference on this...
>
> I'm also wondering that if I would supplement more Magnesium as well, whether
> the negative side effects from taking Calcium would be less...
>
> ps Stephanie, I've found a good diet for us!
> http://www.gallbladderattack.com/gallbladderdiet.shtml
> Must say the potatoes I just ate do me some good! ;-)
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, well it seems I'm more intolerant to the inorganic Calcium AEP than
> > > to the organic Calcium...
> >
> > Maybe you mentioned this before, but what exactly are you taking that is
> > "organic calcium" ?
> >
> > Marc
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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