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> I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH.
This is probably easy to test as you have a milliVolt-meter. As mentioned in prevous post, measure an apple/water with Voltmeter and pH-strip, Voltage and pH will be according to Tennant's table: http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. Urine and saliva wih pH-strips. Measuring how-long-you-can-hold-your-breath with a stopwatch, preferably in milliseconds! ;-) --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH. > Ime4asure body Voltage according to SBM2008.> > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:38 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > Charles, if you say entire body voltage of a person is more than +400 mV that's NOT possible. Or are you saying that a person can get an average pH of zero? > > pH and voltage are DIRECTLY linked. Measure an apple or water with a voltmeter, if you measure -20 mV the pH will always be 7.35... > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > Tennant takes an average of all meridians he measures with his tool/Biomodulator, but I think you can also do that with a volt or ohmmeter. Anyway, measuring that would not be easy because you have to know the exact meridian points... Maybe Tennant will show us one day when we visit him in his clinic in Texas! > > You can have a notion of your entire body voltage: > > -urine in the morning after waiting for a few secs + 0.7 pH (voltage/pH of fluids around the cells) > -saliva + 0.7 pH (cellular voltage/pH) > -holding your breath, the longer you can, the more alkaline you are (less than 40 seconds is considered as too acid) > > These are ROUGH indicators... Esp. the urine can be very different from your entire body voltage because it is highly influenced on what you ate the day before, alkalizing influence of Potassium in urine... > > Good links on measuring pH: > > http://www.jupiterionizer.com/saliva_urine_ph_testing.htm > http://www.royalrife.com/ph.html > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > I measure the Voltage which is present in the entire body. According to the Standard baubiologische Messtechnik, SBM2008. > > I do not know how to measure Voltage of the nervous system. > > > > And the persons I measured their high body Voltage were certainly not dead (yet). > > > > How do you measure your body voltage? > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:05 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > Charles, I'm talking about ENTIRE BODY VOLTAGE, you're talking about sth different. If you measure 4000 mV you're not measuring entire body voltage but something else, central nervous system maybe... > > > > If voltage is more than +400 mV (electron stealer) than the pH is 0!... I don't think you've ever met a person with a body voltage of more than +400 mV (pH of 0) or he must've been dead... > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > I understand the body voltage (when measured correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV. > > > > > > Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV. > > > An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV > > > > > > And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !! > > > > > > Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which shows the elektrosmog load in the body. > > > Even on opposite sides of the body. > > > > > > It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough for getting better from electrosensitivity. > > > > > > I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of electrosensitives. > > > Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*. > > > > > > I find it also remarkable that nobody here comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D. > > > It contains also a lot of useful tips. > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > Charles, > > > > > > THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and - > > > > > > + stands for electron stealer > > > - stands for electron donor > > > > > > The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45: > > > > > > pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV > > > pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV > > > > > > ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)... > > > > > > If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" that to between -20 mV and -25 mV... > > > > > > Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > That is nonsense. > > > > > > > > It is just important to have a very low body voltage, preferably 30 mV. > > > > > > > > If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie on a waterbed. > > > > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source. > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > > > > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems: > > > > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. > > > > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm. > > > > > > > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid. > > > > > > > > I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability? > > > > > > > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5). > > > > > > > > >From Tennnant: > > > > > > > > pH of... > > > > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate > > > > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > > > > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > 7.5: none > > > > > > > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7. > > > > > > > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's > > > > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on: > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > > > > > > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > > > > > > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too. > > > > > > > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with. > > > > > > > > And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance... > > > > > > > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > > > > > > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-) > > > > > > > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > > > > > > > gr, > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content. > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had > > > > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, > > > > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. 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As I said before: Nonsense.
We care not talking about apples, but human beings. I asked you how you measure YOUR body Voltage. Obviously, you cannot do that. You are assuming according to a table that the body Voltage must have a certain value, but you never measured it correctly. Holding your breath has nothing to do with the body voltage. So it is nonsense. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen_vandevijvere To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH. This is probably easy to test as you have a milliVolt-meter. As mentioned in prevous post, measure an apple/water with Voltmeter and pH-strip, Voltage and pH will be according to Tennant's table: http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. Urine and saliva wih pH-strips. Measuring how-long-you-can-hold-your-breath with a stopwatch, preferably in milliseconds! ;-) --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH. > I measure body Voltage according to SBM2008.> > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:38 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > Charles, if you say entire body voltage of a person is more than +400 mV that's NOT possible. Or are you saying that a person can get an average pH of zero? > > pH and voltage are DIRECTLY linked. Measure an apple or water with a voltmeter, if you measure -20 mV the pH will always be 7.35... > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > Tennant takes an average of all meridians he measures with his tool/Biomodulator, but I think you can also do that with a volt or ohmmeter. Anyway, measuring that would not be easy because you have to know the exact meridian points... Maybe Tennant will show us one day when we visit him in his clinic in Texas! > > You can have a notion of your entire body voltage: > > -urine in the morning after waiting for a few secs + 0.7 pH (voltage/pH of fluids around the cells) > -saliva + 0.7 pH (cellular voltage/pH) > -holding your breath, the longer you can, the more alkaline you are (less than 40 seconds is considered as too acid) > > These are ROUGH indicators... Esp. the urine can be very different from your entire body voltage because it is highly influenced on what you ate the day before, alkalizing influence of Potassium in urine... > > Good links on measuring pH: > > http://www.jupiterionizer.com/saliva_urine_ph_testing.htm > http://www.royalrife.com/ph.html > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > I measure the Voltage which is present in the entire body. According to the Standard baubiologische Messtechnik, SBM2008. > > I do not know how to measure Voltage of the nervous system. > > > > And the persons I measured their high body Voltage were certainly not dead (yet). > > > > How do you measure your body voltage? > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:05 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > Charles, I'm talking about ENTIRE BODY VOLTAGE, you're talking about sth different. If you measure 4000 mV you're not measuring entire body voltage but something else, central nervous system maybe... > > > > If voltage is more than +400 mV (electron stealer) than the pH is 0!... I don't think you've ever met a person with a body voltage of more than +400 mV (pH of 0) or he must've been dead... > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > I understand the body voltage (when measured correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV. > > > > > > Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV. > > > An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV > > > > > > And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !! > > > > > > Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which shows the elektrosmog load in the body. > > > Even on opposite sides of the body. > > > > > > It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough for getting better from electrosensitivity. > > > > > > I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of electrosensitives. > > > Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*. > > > > > > I find it also remarkable that nobody here comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D. > > > It contains also a lot of useful tips. > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > Charles, > > > > > > THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and - > > > > > > + stands for electron stealer > > > - stands for electron donor > > > > > > The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45: > > > > > > pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV > > > pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV > > > > > > ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)... > > > > > > If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" that to between -20 mV and -25 mV... > > > > > > Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > That is nonsense. > > > > > > > > It is just important to have a very low body voltage, preferably 30 mV. > > > > > > > > If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie on a waterbed. > > > > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source. > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > > > > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems: > > > > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. > > > > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm. > > > > > > > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid. > > > > > > > > I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability? > > > > > > > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5). > > > > > > > > >From Tennnant: > > > > > > > > pH of... > > > > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate > > > > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > > > > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > 7.5: none > > > > > > > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7. > > > > > > > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's > > > > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on: > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > > > > > > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > > > > > > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too. > > > > > > > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with. > > > > > > > > And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance... > > > > > > > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > > > > > > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-) > > > > > > > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > > > > > > > gr, > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content. > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had > > > > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, > > > > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. 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Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
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Well Charles do you have a milliVoltmeter? Do you have some pH-strips? I believe you do...
Then it shouldn't take too much time to check whether Tennant's table on pH/voltage is nonsense or not... Apples may be different than human beings (really?), but in order to prove Tennant's table it can be handy! --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > As I said before: Nonsense. > > We care not talking about apples, but human beings. > > I asked you how you measure YOUR body Voltage. > > Obviously, you cannot do that. > You are assuming according to a table that the body Voltage must have a certain value, but you never measured it correctly. > > Holding your breath has nothing to do with the body voltage. > > So it is nonsense. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH. > > This is probably easy to test as you have a milliVolt-meter. As mentioned in prevous post, measure an apple/water with Voltmeter and pH-strip, Voltage and pH will be according to Tennant's table: > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. > > Urine and saliva wih pH-strips. Measuring how-long-you-can-hold-your-breath with a stopwatch, preferably in milliseconds! ;-) > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH. > > I measure body Voltage according to SBM2008.> > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:38 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > Charles, if you say entire body voltage of a person is more than +400 mV that's NOT possible. Or are you saying that a person can get an average pH of zero? > > > > pH and voltage are DIRECTLY linked. Measure an apple or water with a voltmeter, if you measure -20 mV the pH will always be 7.35... > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > Tennant takes an average of all meridians he measures with his tool/Biomodulator, but I think you can also do that with a volt or ohmmeter. Anyway, measuring that would not be easy because you have to know the exact meridian points... Maybe Tennant will show us one day when we visit him in his clinic in Texas! > > > > You can have a notion of your entire body voltage: > > > > -urine in the morning after waiting for a few secs + 0.7 pH (voltage/pH of fluids around the cells) > > -saliva + 0.7 pH (cellular voltage/pH) > > -holding your breath, the longer you can, the more alkaline you are (less than 40 seconds is considered as too acid) > > > > These are ROUGH indicators... Esp. the urine can be very different from your entire body voltage because it is highly influenced on what you ate the day before, alkalizing influence of Potassium in urine... > > > > Good links on measuring pH: > > > > http://www.jupiterionizer.com/saliva_urine_ph_testing.htm > > http://www.royalrife.com/ph.html > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > I measure the Voltage which is present in the entire body. According to the Standard baubiologische Messtechnik, SBM2008. > > > I do not know how to measure Voltage of the nervous system. > > > > > > And the persons I measured their high body Voltage were certainly not dead (yet). > > > > > > How do you measure your body voltage? > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:05 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > Charles, I'm talking about ENTIRE BODY VOLTAGE, you're talking about sth different. If you measure 4000 mV you're not measuring entire body voltage but something else, central nervous system maybe... > > > > > > If voltage is more than +400 mV (electron stealer) than the pH is 0!... I don't think you've ever met a person with a body voltage of more than +400 mV (pH of 0) or he must've been dead... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I understand the body voltage (when measured correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV. > > > > > > > > Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV. > > > > An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV > > > > > > > > And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !! > > > > > > > > Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which shows the elektrosmog load in the body. > > > > Even on opposite sides of the body. > > > > > > > > It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough for getting better from electrosensitivity. > > > > > > > > I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of electrosensitives. > > > > Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*. > > > > > > > > I find it also remarkable that nobody here comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D. > > > > It contains also a lot of useful tips. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, > > > > > > > > THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and - > > > > > > > > + stands for electron stealer > > > > - stands for electron donor > > > > > > > > The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45: > > > > > > > > pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV > > > > pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV > > > > > > > > ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)... > > > > > > > > If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" that to between -20 mV and -25 mV... > > > > > > > > Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That is nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > It is just important to have a very low body voltage, preferably 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie on a waterbed. > > > > > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source. > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > > > > > > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems: > > > > > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. > > > > > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability? > > > > > > > > > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5). > > > > > > > > > > >From Tennnant: > > > > > > > > > > pH of... > > > > > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > 7.5: none > > > > > > > > > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7. > > > > > > > > > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's > > > > > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > > > > > > > > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > > > > > > > > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too. > > > > > > > > > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with. > > > > > > > > > > And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance... > > > > > > > > > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > > > > > > > > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > > > > > > > > > gr, > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had > > > > > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, > > > > > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. 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Stephen, you keep continuing on this razzle dazzle.
Did you or didn't you measure your own body voltage ?? The rest is pure theoretical. Assuming and assuming. I want pure facts, not hypothetical gibberish. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen_vandevijvere To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:22 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) Well Charles do you have a milliVoltmeter? Do you have some pH-strips? I believe you do... Then it shouldn't take too much time to check whether Tennant's table on pH/voltage is nonsense or not... Apples may be different than human beings (really?), but in order to prove Tennant's table it can be handy! --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > As I said before: Nonsense. > > We care not talking about apples, but human beings. > > I asked you how you measure YOUR body Voltage. > > Obviously, you cannot do that. > You are assuming according to a table that the body Voltage must have a certain value, but you never measured it correctly. > > Holding your breath has nothing to do with the body voltage. > > So it is nonsense. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH. > > This is probably easy to test as you have a milliVolt-meter. As mentioned in prevous post, measure an apple/water with Voltmeter and pH-strip, Voltage and pH will be according to Tennant's table: > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. > > Urine and saliva wih pH-strips. Measuring how-long-you-can-hold-your-breath with a stopwatch, preferably in milliseconds! ;-) > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH. > > I measure body Voltage according to SBM2008.> > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:38 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > Charles, if you say entire body voltage of a person is more than +400 mV that's NOT possible. Or are you saying that a person can get an average pH of zero? > > > > pH and voltage are DIRECTLY linked. Measure an apple or water with a voltmeter, if you measure -20 mV the pH will always be 7.35... > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > Tennant takes an average of all meridians he measures with his tool/Biomodulator, but I think you can also do that with a volt or ohmmeter. Anyway, measuring that would not be easy because you have to know the exact meridian points... Maybe Tennant will show us one day when we visit him in his clinic in Texas! > > > > You can have a notion of your entire body voltage: > > > > -urine in the morning after waiting for a few secs + 0.7 pH (voltage/pH of fluids around the cells) > > -saliva + 0.7 pH (cellular voltage/pH) > > -holding your breath, the longer you can, the more alkaline you are (less than 40 seconds is considered as too acid) > > > > These are ROUGH indicators... Esp. the urine can be very different from your entire body voltage because it is highly influenced on what you ate the day before, alkalizing influence of Potassium in urine... > > > > Good links on measuring pH: > > > > http://www.jupiterionizer.com/saliva_urine_ph_testing.htm > > http://www.royalrife.com/ph.html > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > I measure the Voltage which is present in the entire body. According to the Standard baubiologische Messtechnik, SBM2008. > > > I do not know how to measure Voltage of the nervous system. > > > > > > And the persons I measured their high body Voltage were certainly not dead (yet). > > > > > > How do you measure your body voltage? > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:05 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > Charles, I'm talking about ENTIRE BODY VOLTAGE, you're talking about sth different. If you measure 4000 mV you're not measuring entire body voltage but something else, central nervous system maybe... > > > > > > If voltage is more than +400 mV (electron stealer) than the pH is 0!... I don't think you've ever met a person with a body voltage of more than +400 mV (pH of 0) or he must've been dead... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I understand the body voltage (when measured correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV. > > > > > > > > Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV. > > > > An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV > > > > > > > > And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !! > > > > > > > > Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which shows the elektrosmog load in the body. > > > > Even on opposite sides of the body. > > > > > > > > It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough for getting better from electrosensitivity. > > > > > > > > I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of electrosensitives. > > > > Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*. > > > > > > > > I find it also remarkable that nobody here comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D. > > > > It contains also a lot of useful tips. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, > > > > > > > > THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and - > > > > > > > > + stands for electron stealer > > > > - stands for electron donor > > > > > > > > The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45: > > > > > > > > pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV > > > > pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV > > > > > > > > ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)... > > > > > > > > If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" that to between -20 mV and -25 mV... > > > > > > > > Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That is nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > It is just important to have a very low body voltage, preferably 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie on a waterbed. > > > > > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source. > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > > > > > > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems: > > > > > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. > > > > > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability? > > > > > > > > > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5). > > > > > > > > > > >From Tennnant: > > > > > > > > > > pH of... > > > > > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > 7.5: none > > > > > > > > > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7. > > > > > > > > > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's > > > > > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > > > > > > > > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > > > > > > > > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too. > > > > > > > > > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with. > > > > > > > > > > And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance... > > > > > > > > > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > > > > > > > > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > > > > > > > > > gr, > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had > > > > > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, > > > > > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. 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Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
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Charles,
could You please post some information about how to "measure body Voltage according to SBM2008"? /anders charles skrev 2010-09-21 20:32: > > Stephen, you keep continuing on this razzle dazzle. > > Did you or didn't you measure your own body voltage ?? > > The rest is pure theoretical. > Assuming and assuming. > > I want pure facts, not hypothetical gibberish. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:22 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac > Mini desktop) > > Well Charles do you have a milliVoltmeter? Do you have > some pH-strips? I believe you do... > > Then it shouldn't take too much time to check whether > Tennant's table on pH/voltage is nonsense or not... > > Apples may be different than human beings (really?), but > in order to prove Tennant's table it can be handy! > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@...> > wrote: > > > > As I said before: Nonsense. > > > > We care not talking about apples, but human beings. > > > > I asked you how you measure YOUR body Voltage. > > > > Obviously, you cannot do that. > > You are assuming according to a table that the body > Voltage must have a certain value, but you never measured > it correctly. > > > > Holding your breath has nothing to do with the body voltage. > > > > So it is nonsense. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac > Mini desktop) > > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between > body Voltage and pH. > > > > This is probably easy to test as you have a > milliVolt-meter. As mentioned in prevous post, measure an > apple/water with Voltmeter and pH-strip, Voltage and pH > will be according to Tennant's table: > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and > which circumstances. > > > > Urine and saliva wih pH-strips. Measuring > how-long-you-can-hold-your-breath with a stopwatch, > preferably in milliseconds! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between > body Voltage and pH. > > > I measure body Voltage according to SBM2008.> > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and > which circumstances. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:38 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac > Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > Charles, if you say entire body voltage of a person is > more than +400 mV that's NOT possible. Or are you saying > that a person can get an average pH of zero? > > > > > > pH and voltage are DIRECTLY linked. Measure an apple > or water with a voltmeter, if you measure -20 mV the pH > will always be 7.35... > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > Tennant takes an average of all meridians he measures > with his tool/Biomodulator, but I think you can also do > that with a volt or ohmmeter. Anyway, measuring that would > not be easy because you have to know the exact meridian > points... Maybe Tennant will show us one day when we visit > him in his clinic in Texas! > > > > > > You can have a notion of your entire body voltage: > > > > > > -urine in the morning after waiting for a few secs + > 0.7 pH (voltage/pH of fluids around the cells) > > > -saliva + 0.7 pH (cellular voltage/pH) > > > -holding your breath, the longer you can, the more > alkaline you are (less than 40 seconds is considered as > too acid) > > > > > > These are ROUGH indicators... Esp. the urine can be > very different from your entire body voltage because it is > highly influenced on what you ate the day before, > alkalizing influence of Potassium in urine... > > > > > > Good links on measuring pH: > > > > > > http://www.jupiterionizer.com/saliva_urine_ph_testing.htm > > > http://www.royalrife.com/ph.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I measure the Voltage which is present in the entire > body. According to the Standard baubiologische > Messtechnik, SBM2008. > > > > I do not know how to measure Voltage of the nervous > system. > > > > > > > > And the persons I measured their high body Voltage > were certainly not dead (yet). > > > > > > > > How do you measure your body voltage? > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:05 PM > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on > Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, I'm talking about ENTIRE BODY VOLTAGE, > you're talking about sth different. If you measure 4000 mV > you're not measuring entire body voltage but something > else, central nervous system maybe... > > > > > > > > If voltage is more than +400 mV (electron stealer) > than the pH is 0!... I don't think you've ever met a > person with a body voltage of more than +400 mV (pH of 0) > or he must've been dead... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I understand the body voltage (when measured > correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV. > > > > > An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV > > > > > > > > > > And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even > 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !! > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which > shows the elektrosmog load in the body. > > > > > Even on opposite sides of the body. > > > > > > > > > > It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough > for getting better from electrosensitivity. > > > > > > > > > > I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list > has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of > electrosensitives. > > > > > Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*. > > > > > > > > > > I find it also remarkable that nobody here > comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D. > > > > > It contains also a lot of useful tips. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on > Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, > > > > > > > > > > THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and - > > > > > > > > > > + stands for electron stealer > > > > > - stands for electron donor > > > > > > > > > > The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45: > > > > > > > > > > pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV > > > > > pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV > > > > > > > > > > ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you > have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed > to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your > body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)... > > > > > > > > > > If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body > voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV > (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" > that to between -20 mV and -25 mV... > > > > > > > > > > Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression > "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > That is nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is just important to have a very low body > voltage, preferably 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie > on a waterbed. > > > > > > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi > on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you > have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to > diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and > they don't know much yet but it seems: > > > > > > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are > without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. > > > > > > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is > you have tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that > he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium > supplements. But definitely those that have a very low > body voltage = too acid. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if there's a link between the two, > namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that > mean you have more tj permeability? > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together > with pantethine (Vit B5). > > > > > > > > > > > > >From Tennnant: > > > > > > > > > > > > pH of... > > > > > > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > > 7.5: none > > > > > > > > > > > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of > 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by > about 0.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. > Tennant's > > > > > > > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is > downloadable on: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > > > > > > > > > > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > > > > > > > > > > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. > Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP > and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do > best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral > Calcium too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much > because I just have to be careful with everything! And if > you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to > suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 > daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should > take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much > Calcium you feel good or better with. > > > > > > > > > > > > And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise > it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say > (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't > take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better > Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for > instance... > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need > and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a > complicated matter? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and > Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are > low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > > > > > > > > > > > gr, > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Cheryl Griffing > <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and read > that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for > it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to > combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: > Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special > Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. > Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even > better. They also emphasize you should eat local and > seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your > intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very > well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my > intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably > grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not > a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than > 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the > Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane > told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a > copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk > anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is > also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet > would be very good for you (actually I think everybody > would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for > instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be > food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, > homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what > Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most > difficult part! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should > be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple > store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms > and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking > this further for myself. It might be that you do need some > extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some > salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but > in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. > I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere > that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to > be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also > said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well > that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj > perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check > your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after > the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without > Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more > energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the > Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took > your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have > tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood > Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels > because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect > you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be > caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes > tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our > diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of > people that have recovered tremendously by switching to > non-gluten... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that > dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside > of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other > stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long > while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm afraid > that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the > side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't > been eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll > get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" > computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people > with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I > haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to > listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling > me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried > taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is > highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my > body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more > positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium > ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic > acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - > I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine > if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a > gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. > Some "experts" even recommend that you take > gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a > "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of > exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of > sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or > something in which I could find out definitively if I > would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction > permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to > look into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "stephen_vandevijvere" > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many > Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr > Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be > indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such > occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your > vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are > dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables > and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water > each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your > diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you > should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a > couple of times each day and write down what en when > you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, > first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then > hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have > this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes > (too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can > have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big > influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an > influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets > better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no > sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so > much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a > physical necessity (which seems common with those having > hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy > level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is > kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is > buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I > had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just > had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got > better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on > dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year > and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if > you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, > because I think other people must have the same thing > without knowing so. It sees very common with those that > are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of > intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the > great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into > consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as > thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue > to have debilitatingly low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human > biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. > Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? > I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a > seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and > I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs > has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't > "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - > were technically in the "normal" range. I was however > "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo > that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be > functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was > pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the > typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is > recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). > Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood > cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below > normal, and my ferritin had > > > > > > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in > 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held > relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) > bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia > has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward > explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could > definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. > Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 > and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent > during those years. So this has really made me wonder if > something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew > Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - > ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's > way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause > oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, > even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic > toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the > iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation > could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar > reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple > Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain > point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's > hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became > cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or > "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to > leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the > mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard > time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or > 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a > rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I > was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs > felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered > why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in > front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it > happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook > Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in > front of, say, the Mac Mini, > > > > > > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something > about the laptops that caused this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure > reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like > it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that > you describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on > eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of > my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was > Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork > that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting > glucose level was on the high side....higher than I > thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my > way to developing diabetes. I've since found out > (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty > electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, > CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with > normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I > like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so > much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a > bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you > have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for > "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable > autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our > symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the > ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I > would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you > work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining > things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood > pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you > feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and > then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My > heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with > bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't > psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; > that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart > rate is the same--it means little to people if that > changes, usually. But you might be able to find > temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration > changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I > also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show > when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most > reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf > exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature > differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less > profound finding than tanking bp. If you > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, > you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing. > (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics > and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean > significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and > 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go > down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than > that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found > that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which > follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), > the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that > your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some > degree it can do this often. So you will have to take > readings over a long period of time to understand how your > body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp > when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, > my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. > This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. > After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and > stresses out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people > who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when > you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to > believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info > as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine > articles. Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) > gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. We > have had good info here in the past year to share with > others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good > articles at a time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan > <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini > desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly > isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is > overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called > "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions > about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for > everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is > what is more profitable to them). And there are other > "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish > decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble > verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the > frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to > this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult > for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real > quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of > hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be > more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still > seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't > receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling > WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where > this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever > gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at > least June/July before it's done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I > guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) > I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate > what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think > Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to > considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless > technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than > the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare > (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like > it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too > full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully > investigate or admit to the harm that all of this > "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night > - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really > messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't > work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone > else in my household is awake (and using the computer). > When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've > noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides > our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the > phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless > signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means > turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - > it means risking someone not being able to reach us via > phone in the case of an emergency. 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Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
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I can understand Charles that you're sceptic, but if you don't believe Tennant's table pH/Voltage why don't you prove it, you have a milliVoltmeter, why don't you measure something of which you can measure the pH as well (fruit, vegetable, water,...)?
I did measure pH not Voltage directly (I don't have a meter!)... Yes I assume Tennant is right in stating that entire body voltage is directly linked to pH... Prove me wrong?! --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Stephen, you keep continuing on this razzle dazzle. > > Did you or didn't you measure your own body voltage ?? > > The rest is pure theoretical. > Assuming and assuming. > > I want pure facts, not hypothetical gibberish. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:22 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > Well Charles do you have a milliVoltmeter? Do you have some pH-strips? I believe you do... > > Then it shouldn't take too much time to check whether Tennant's table on pH/voltage is nonsense or not... > > Apples may be different than human beings (really?), but in order to prove Tennant's table it can be handy! > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > As I said before: Nonsense. > > > > We care not talking about apples, but human beings. > > > > I asked you how you measure YOUR body Voltage. > > > > Obviously, you cannot do that. > > You are assuming according to a table that the body Voltage must have a certain value, but you never measured it correctly. > > > > Holding your breath has nothing to do with the body voltage. > > > > So it is nonsense. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH. > > > > This is probably easy to test as you have a milliVolt-meter. As mentioned in prevous post, measure an apple/water with Voltmeter and pH-strip, Voltage and pH will be according to Tennant's table: > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. > > > > Urine and saliva wih pH-strips. Measuring how-long-you-can-hold-your-breath with a stopwatch, preferably in milliseconds! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH. > > > I measure body Voltage according to SBM2008.> > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:38 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > Charles, if you say entire body voltage of a person is more than +400 mV that's NOT possible. Or are you saying that a person can get an average pH of zero? > > > > > > pH and voltage are DIRECTLY linked. Measure an apple or water with a voltmeter, if you measure -20 mV the pH will always be 7.35... > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > Tennant takes an average of all meridians he measures with his tool/Biomodulator, but I think you can also do that with a volt or ohmmeter. Anyway, measuring that would not be easy because you have to know the exact meridian points... Maybe Tennant will show us one day when we visit him in his clinic in Texas! > > > > > > You can have a notion of your entire body voltage: > > > > > > -urine in the morning after waiting for a few secs + 0.7 pH (voltage/pH of fluids around the cells) > > > -saliva + 0.7 pH (cellular voltage/pH) > > > -holding your breath, the longer you can, the more alkaline you are (less than 40 seconds is considered as too acid) > > > > > > These are ROUGH indicators... Esp. the urine can be very different from your entire body voltage because it is highly influenced on what you ate the day before, alkalizing influence of Potassium in urine... > > > > > > Good links on measuring pH: > > > > > > http://www.jupiterionizer.com/saliva_urine_ph_testing.htm > > > http://www.royalrife.com/ph.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I measure the Voltage which is present in the entire body. According to the Standard baubiologische Messtechnik, SBM2008. > > > > I do not know how to measure Voltage of the nervous system. > > > > > > > > And the persons I measured their high body Voltage were certainly not dead (yet). > > > > > > > > How do you measure your body voltage? > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:05 PM > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, I'm talking about ENTIRE BODY VOLTAGE, you're talking about sth different. If you measure 4000 mV you're not measuring entire body voltage but something else, central nervous system maybe... > > > > > > > > If voltage is more than +400 mV (electron stealer) than the pH is 0!... I don't think you've ever met a person with a body voltage of more than +400 mV (pH of 0) or he must've been dead... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I understand the body voltage (when measured correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV. > > > > > An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV > > > > > > > > > > And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !! > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which shows the elektrosmog load in the body. > > > > > Even on opposite sides of the body. > > > > > > > > > > It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough for getting better from electrosensitivity. > > > > > > > > > > I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of electrosensitives. > > > > > Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*. > > > > > > > > > > I find it also remarkable that nobody here comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D. > > > > > It contains also a lot of useful tips. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, > > > > > > > > > > THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and - > > > > > > > > > > + stands for electron stealer > > > > > - stands for electron donor > > > > > > > > > > The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45: > > > > > > > > > > pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV > > > > > pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV > > > > > > > > > > ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)... > > > > > > > > > > If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" that to between -20 mV and -25 mV... > > > > > > > > > > Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > That is nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is just important to have a very low body voltage, preferably 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie on a waterbed. > > > > > > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems: > > > > > > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. > > > > > > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability? > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5). > > > > > > > > > > > > >From Tennnant: > > > > > > > > > > > > pH of... > > > > > > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > > 7.5: none > > > > > > > > > > > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's > > > > > > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > > > > > > > > > > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > > > > > > > > > > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with. > > > > > > > > > > > > And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance... > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > > > > > > > > > > > gr, > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had > > > > > > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, > > > > > > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. 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Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
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Charles, I've been googling on other sources that confirm Tennant's theory that pH is directly linked with Voltage. Below there are 5 sources.
It seems that pH-meters measure the voltage to check the pH, so pH-meters are also based on Tennant's "nonsense" theory One source mentions the conversion mV/pH is 59, a Dutch source says it is 58. I calculated that Tennant's table is based on 57 mV/pH, so not much difference here http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html Example one: 7.53 - 6.48 = 1.05 pH -30 30 = -60 mV 60/1.05 = 57 millivolts per pH unit Example two: 7.88 7.53 = 0.35 pH -50 (-30) = -20 mV 20/0.35 = 57 millivolts per pH unit Other sources: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_9/6.html http://www.sensorland.com/HowPage037.html What is important to understand is that these two electrodes generate a voltage directly proportional to the pH of the solution. At a pH of 7 (neutral), the electrodes will produce 0 volts between them. At a low pH (acid) a voltage will be developed of one polarity, and at a high pH (caustic) a voltage will be developed of the opposite polarity pH can be measured by measuring the voltage produced between two special electrodes immersed in the liquid solution ideally 59.16 millivolts per pH unit http://www.lenntech.nl/water-chemie-uitgebreid-ph.htm#ixzz10C9yogGn Per pH-eenheid ontstaat er ongeveer 58 millivolt (0,058 Volt). http://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-ph-meters-work.html An acidic solution has far more positively charged hydrogen ions in it than an alkaline one, so it has greater potential to produce an electric current in a certain situationin other words, it's a bit like a battery that can produce a greater voltage. A pH meter takes advantage of this and works like a voltmeter: it measures the voltage (electrical potential) produced by the solution whose acidity we're interestred in, compares it with the voltage of a known solution, and uses the difference in voltage (the "potential difference") between them to deduce the difference in pH http://euphrates.wpunj.edu/faculty/partnership/CBL/ex-cbl05.htm This voltage varies linearly with the log of the H+ ion activity. Because pH = log[H+], the voltage produced varies linearly with pH. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Stephen, you keep continuing on this razzle dazzle. > > Did you or didn't you measure your own body voltage ?? > > The rest is pure theoretical. > Assuming and assuming. > > I want pure facts, not hypothetical gibberish. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:22 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > Well Charles do you have a milliVoltmeter? Do you have some pH-strips? I believe you do... > > Then it shouldn't take too much time to check whether Tennant's table on pH/voltage is nonsense or not... > > Apples may be different than human beings (really?), but in order to prove Tennant's table it can be handy! > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > As I said before: Nonsense. > > > > We care not talking about apples, but human beings. > > > > I asked you how you measure YOUR body Voltage. > > > > Obviously, you cannot do that. > > You are assuming according to a table that the body Voltage must have a certain value, but you never measured it correctly. > > > > Holding your breath has nothing to do with the body voltage. > > > > So it is nonsense. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH. > > > > This is probably easy to test as you have a milliVolt-meter. As mentioned in prevous post, measure an apple/water with Voltmeter and pH-strip, Voltage and pH will be according to Tennant's table: > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. > > > > Urine and saliva wih pH-strips. Measuring how-long-you-can-hold-your-breath with a stopwatch, preferably in milliseconds! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH. > > > I measure body Voltage according to SBM2008.> > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:38 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > Charles, if you say entire body voltage of a person is more than +400 mV that's NOT possible. Or are you saying that a person can get an average pH of zero? > > > > > > pH and voltage are DIRECTLY linked. Measure an apple or water with a voltmeter, if you measure -20 mV the pH will always be 7.35... > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > Tennant takes an average of all meridians he measures with his tool/Biomodulator, but I think you can also do that with a volt or ohmmeter. Anyway, measuring that would not be easy because you have to know the exact meridian points... Maybe Tennant will show us one day when we visit him in his clinic in Texas! > > > > > > You can have a notion of your entire body voltage: > > > > > > -urine in the morning after waiting for a few secs + 0.7 pH (voltage/pH of fluids around the cells) > > > -saliva + 0.7 pH (cellular voltage/pH) > > > -holding your breath, the longer you can, the more alkaline you are (less than 40 seconds is considered as too acid) > > > > > > These are ROUGH indicators... Esp. the urine can be very different from your entire body voltage because it is highly influenced on what you ate the day before, alkalizing influence of Potassium in urine... > > > > > > Good links on measuring pH: > > > > > > http://www.jupiterionizer.com/saliva_urine_ph_testing.htm > > > http://www.royalrife.com/ph.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I measure the Voltage which is present in the entire body. According to the Standard baubiologische Messtechnik, SBM2008. > > > > I do not know how to measure Voltage of the nervous system. > > > > > > > > And the persons I measured their high body Voltage were certainly not dead (yet). > > > > > > > > How do you measure your body voltage? > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:05 PM > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, I'm talking about ENTIRE BODY VOLTAGE, you're talking about sth different. If you measure 4000 mV you're not measuring entire body voltage but something else, central nervous system maybe... > > > > > > > > If voltage is more than +400 mV (electron stealer) than the pH is 0!... I don't think you've ever met a person with a body voltage of more than +400 mV (pH of 0) or he must've been dead... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I understand the body voltage (when measured correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV. > > > > > An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV > > > > > > > > > > And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !! > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which shows the elektrosmog load in the body. > > > > > Even on opposite sides of the body. > > > > > > > > > > It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough for getting better from electrosensitivity. > > > > > > > > > > I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of electrosensitives. > > > > > Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*. > > > > > > > > > > I find it also remarkable that nobody here comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D. > > > > > It contains also a lot of useful tips. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, > > > > > > > > > > THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and - > > > > > > > > > > + stands for electron stealer > > > > > - stands for electron donor > > > > > > > > > > The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45: > > > > > > > > > > pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV > > > > > pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV > > > > > > > > > > ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)... > > > > > > > > > > If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" that to between -20 mV and -25 mV... > > > > > > > > > > Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > That is nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is just important to have a very low body voltage, preferably 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie on a waterbed. > > > > > > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems: > > > > > > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. > > > > > > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability? > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5). > > > > > > > > > > > > >From Tennnant: > > > > > > > > > > > > pH of... > > > > > > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > > 7.5: none > > > > > > > > > > > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's > > > > > > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > > > > > > > > > > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > > > > > > > > > > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with. > > > > > > > > > > > > And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance... > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > > > > > > > > > > > gr, > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had > > > > > > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, > > > > > > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. 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Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
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There is nothing like 59mV/pH! The pH-scale is logarithmic.
Consult wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH /anders stephen_vandevijvere skrev 2010-09-21 21:56: > > Charles, I've been googling on other sources that confirm > Tennant's theory that pH is directly linked with Voltage. > Below there are 5 sources. > > It seems that pH-meters measure the voltage to check the > pH, so pH-meters are also based on Tennant's "nonsense" > theory... > > One source mentions the conversion mV/pH is 59, a Dutch > source says it is 58. I calculated that Tennant's table is > based on 57 mV/pH, so not much difference here... > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > Example one: > 7.53 - 6.48 = 1.05 pH > -30 -- 30 = -60 mV > 60/1.05 = 57 millivolts per pH unit... > > Example two: > 7.88 -- 7.53 = 0.35 pH > -50 -- (-30) = -20 mV > 20/0.35 = 57 millivolts per pH unit... > > Other sources: > > http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_9/6.html > http://www.sensorland.com/HowPage037.html > ...What is important to understand is that these two > electrodes generate a voltage directly proportional to the > pH of the solution. At a pH of 7 (neutral), the electrodes > will produce 0 volts between them. At a low pH (acid) a > voltage will be developed of one polarity, and at a high > pH (caustic) a voltage will be developed of the opposite > polarity... > > ...pH can be measured by measuring the voltage produced > between two special electrodes immersed in the liquid > solution... > > ...ideally 59.16 millivolts per pH unit... > > http://www.lenntech.nl/water-chemie-uitgebreid-ph.htm#ixzz10C9yogGn > Per pH-eenheid ontstaat er ongeveer 58 millivolt (0,058 > Volt). > > http://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-ph-meters-work.html > ...An acidic solution has far more positively charged > hydrogen ions in it than an alkaline one, so it has > greater potential to produce an electric current in a > certain situation---in other words, it's a bit like a > battery that can produce a greater voltage. A pH meter > takes advantage of this and works like a voltmeter: it > measures the voltage (electrical potential) produced by > the solution whose acidity we're interestred in, compares > it with the voltage of a known solution, and uses the > difference in voltage (the "potential difference") between > them to deduce the difference in pH... > > http://euphrates.wpunj.edu/faculty/partnership/CBL/ex-cbl05.htm > > This voltage varies linearly with the log of the H+ ion > activity. Because pH = --log[H+], the voltage produced > varies linearly with pH. > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@...> > wrote: > > > > Stephen, you keep continuing on this razzle dazzle. > > > > Did you or didn't you measure your own body voltage ?? > > > > The rest is pure theoretical. > > Assuming and assuming. > > > > I want pure facts, not hypothetical gibberish. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:22 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac > Mini desktop) > > > > > > Well Charles do you have a milliVoltmeter? Do you have > some pH-strips? I believe you do... > > > > Then it shouldn't take too much time to check whether > Tennant's table on pH/voltage is nonsense or not... > > > > Apples may be different than human beings (really?), but > in order to prove Tennant's table it can be handy! > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > As I said before: Nonsense. > > > > > > We care not talking about apples, but human beings. > > > > > > I asked you how you measure YOUR body Voltage. > > > > > > Obviously, you cannot do that. > > > You are assuming according to a table that the body > Voltage must have a certain value, but you never measured > it correctly. > > > > > > Holding your breath has nothing to do with the body > voltage. > > > > > > So it is nonsense. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac > Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between > body Voltage and pH. > > > > > > This is probably easy to test as you have a > milliVolt-meter. As mentioned in prevous post, measure an > apple/water with Voltmeter and pH-strip, Voltage and pH > will be according to Tennant's table: > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, > and which circumstances. > > > > > > Urine and saliva wih pH-strips. Measuring > how-long-you-can-hold-your-breath with a stopwatch, > preferably in milliseconds! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between > body Voltage and pH. > > > > I measure body Voltage according to SBM2008.> > > > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, > and which circumstances. > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:38 PM > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on > Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, if you say entire body voltage of a person > is more than +400 mV that's NOT possible. Or are you > saying that a person can get an average pH of zero? > > > > > > > > pH and voltage are DIRECTLY linked. Measure an apple > or water with a voltmeter, if you measure -20 mV the pH > will always be 7.35... > > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > > > Tennant takes an average of all meridians he > measures with his tool/Biomodulator, but I think you can > also do that with a volt or ohmmeter. Anyway, measuring > that would not be easy because you have to know the exact > meridian points... Maybe Tennant will show us one day when > we visit him in his clinic in Texas! > > > > > > > > You can have a notion of your entire body voltage: > > > > > > > > -urine in the morning after waiting for a few secs + > 0.7 pH (voltage/pH of fluids around the cells) > > > > -saliva + 0.7 pH (cellular voltage/pH) > > > > -holding your breath, the longer you can, the more > alkaline you are (less than 40 seconds is considered as > too acid) > > > > > > > > These are ROUGH indicators... Esp. the urine can be > very different from your entire body voltage because it is > highly influenced on what you ate the day before, > alkalizing influence of Potassium in urine... > > > > > > > > Good links on measuring pH: > > > > > > > > > http://www.jupiterionizer.com/saliva_urine_ph_testing.htm > > > > http://www.royalrife.com/ph.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I measure the Voltage which is present in the > entire body. According to the Standard baubiologische > Messtechnik, SBM2008. > > > > > I do not know how to measure Voltage of the > nervous system. > > > > > > > > > > And the persons I measured their high body Voltage > were certainly not dead (yet). > > > > > > > > > > How do you measure your body voltage? > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:05 PM > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on > Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, I'm talking about ENTIRE BODY VOLTAGE, > you're talking about sth different. If you measure 4000 mV > you're not measuring entire body voltage but something > else, central nervous system maybe... > > > > > > > > > > If voltage is more than +400 mV (electron stealer) > than the pH is 0!... I don't think you've ever met a > person with a body voltage of more than +400 mV (pH of 0) > or he must've been dead... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand the body voltage (when measured > correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV. > > > > > > An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV > > > > > > > > > > > > And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even > 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !! > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, > which shows the elektrosmog load in the body. > > > > > > Even on opposite sides of the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is nice to live healthy, but that is not > enough for getting better from electrosensitivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list > has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of > electrosensitives. > > > > > > Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*. > > > > > > > > > > > > I find it also remarkable that nobody here > comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D. > > > > > > It contains also a lot of useful tips. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi > on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, > > > > > > > > > > > > THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and - > > > > > > > > > > > > + stands for electron stealer > > > > > > - stands for electron donor > > > > > > > > > > > > The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45: > > > > > > > > > > > > pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV > > > > > > pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV > > > > > > > > > > > > ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if > you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're > exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make > your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more > acid)... > > > > > > > > > > > > If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body > voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV > (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" > that to between -20 mV and -25 mV... > > > > > > > > > > > > Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression > "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is just important to have a very low body > voltage, preferably 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to raise the body voltage, just > lie on a waterbed. > > > > > > > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: > Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if > you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to > diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and > they don't know much yet but it seems: > > > > > > > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are > without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. > > > > > > > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is > you have tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book > that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium > supplements. But definitely those that have a very low > body voltage = too acid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if there's a link between the > two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does > that mean you have more tj permeability? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP > together with pantethine (Vit B5). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From Tennnant: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pH of... > > > > > > > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca > carbonate > > > > > > > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > > > 7.5: none > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of > 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by > about 0.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. > Tennant's > > > > > > > > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is > downloadable on: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. > Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP > and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do > best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral > Calcium too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much > because I just have to be careful with everything! And if > you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to > suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 > daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should > take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much > Calcium you feel good or better with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And make sure you also take Magnesium > (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). > Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you > shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so > better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening > for instance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need > and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a > complicated matter? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and > Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are > low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gr, > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Cheryl Griffing > <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and > read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take > for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to > combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: > Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special > Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. > Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even > better. They also emphasize you should eat local and > seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your > intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very > well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my > intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably > grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not > a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than > 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the > Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane > told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a > copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk > anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is > also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet > would be very good for you (actually I think everybody > would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for > instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be > food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, > homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what > Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most > difficult part! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another > should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the > Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your > symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying > problems... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking > this further for myself. It might be that you do need some > extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some > salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but > in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it > out. I can send you some links and info. You mention > somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well > Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically > proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and > she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well > that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj > perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check > your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after > the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without > Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more > energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the > Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took > your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have > tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood > Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels > because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect > you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be > caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that > causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing > in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a > lot of people that have recovered tremendously by > switching to non-gluten... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible > that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction > inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited > other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a > long while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm > afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had > the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I > haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should. > Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a > "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people > with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I > haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to > listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling > me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried > taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is > highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my > body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more > positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium > ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic > acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis > - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to > determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and > if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit > me. Some "experts" even recommend that you take > gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a > "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of > exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of > sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or > something in which I could find out definitively if I > would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight > junction permeability" - I guess that's something else > I'll have to look into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "stephen_vandevijvere" > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many > Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr > Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be > indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such > occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your > vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are > dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables > and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water > each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your > diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you > should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a > couple of times each day and write down what en when > you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, > first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then > hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have > this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes > (too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can > have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big > influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an > influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets > better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no > sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not > so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a > physical necessity (which seems common with those having > hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy > level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is > kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is > buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I > had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just > had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got > better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on > dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year > and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if > you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, > because I think other people must have the same thing > without knowing so. It sees very common with those that > are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of > intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the > great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into > consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as > thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue > to have debilitatingly low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human > biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. > Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? > I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a > seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and > I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs > has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't > "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - > were technically in the "normal" range. I was however > "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo > that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be > functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was > pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the > typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is > recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). > Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood > cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below > normal, and my ferritin had > > > > > > > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in > 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held > relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) > bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia > has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward > explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could > definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. > Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 > and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent > during those years. So this has really made me wonder if > something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew > Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - > ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's > way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause > oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, > even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic > toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the > iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation > could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar > reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the > Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a > certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme > fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body > became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or > "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to > leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the > mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard > time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or > 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a > rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I > was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs > felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered > why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in > front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it > happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook > Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in > front of, say, the Mac Mini, > > > > > > > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was > something about the laptops that caused this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure > reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like > it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that > you describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on > eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of > my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was > Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork > that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting > glucose level was on the high side....higher than I > thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my > way to developing diabetes. I've since found out > (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty > electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, > CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with > normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I > like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so > much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a > bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you > have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for > "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable > autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our > symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the > ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I > would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you > work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining > things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood > pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you > feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and > then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My > heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with > bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't > psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; > that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart > rate is the same--it means little to people if that > changes, usually. But you might be able to find > temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration > changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I > also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show > when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most > reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf > exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature > differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less > profound finding than tanking bp. If you > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, > however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder > testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from > electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean > significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and > 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go > down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than > that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found > that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which > follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), > the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that > your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some > degree it can do this often. So you will have to take > readings over a long period of time to understand how your > body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp > when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, > my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. > This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. > After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and > stresses out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have > people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle > when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people > to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer > info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and > magazine articles. Share with them the warning that > Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) > bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year > to share with others. Don't give reams of info--just one > or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan > <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac > Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" > certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" > is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these > so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making > decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" > for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is > what is more profitable to them). And there are other > "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish > decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble > verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the > frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to > this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult > for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real > quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit > of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be > more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still > seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't > receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling > WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where > this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever > gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at > least June/July before it's done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I > guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) > I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate > what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think > Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to > considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless > technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than > the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare > (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like > it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too > full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully > investigate or admit to the harm that all of this > "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at > night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is > really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I > don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when > someone else in my household is awake (and using the > computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though > - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that > provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to > hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out > our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router > also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief > from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to > reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a > really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - > well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought > my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is > in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this > phone uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not > to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed any > symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my > computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more > aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a > couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the > base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and > said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It > still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it, though! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
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Could you let me know where can I download the book for free by H. Stiekema M.D. So far, I found it being sold for 20 Euros. Fnx Kooky --- On Tue, 9/21/10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Loni <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 11:44 AM I used a water bed for many many years when I was younger. Could that have contributed the EHS? Loni --- On Tue, 9/21/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 7:28 AM I understand the body voltage (when measured correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV. Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV. An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !! Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which shows the elektrosmog load in the body. Even on opposite sides of the body. It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough for getting better from electrosensitivity. I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of electrosensitives. Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*. I find it also remarkable that nobody here comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D. It contains also a lot of useful tips. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen_vandevijvere To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) Charles, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and - + stands for electron stealer - stands for electron donor The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45: pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)... If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" that to between -20 mV and -25 mV... Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit! --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > That is nonsense. > > It is just important to have a very low body voltage, preferably 30 mV. > > If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie on a waterbed. > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > Hi Cheryl, > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems: > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm. > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid. > > I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability? > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5). > > >From Tennnant: > > pH of... > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > 7.5: none > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7. > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on: > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too. > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with. > > And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance... > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-) > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > gr, > Stephen. > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cheryl > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > To: [hidden email] > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part! > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems... > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten... > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into. > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you > > find > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it, though! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
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Hi Stephen,
Thank you so very much for the detailed information. I am currently taking calcium but perhaps need to take more and experiment like you said. Cheryl --- On Tue, 9/21/10, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote: From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 6:01 AM Hi Cheryl, Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems: -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm. Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid. I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability? Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5). From Tennnant: pH of... below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > 7.5: none A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7. In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on: http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html (Click on how to stay well booklet) So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too. Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with. And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance... If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-) Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these... gr, Stephen. --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@...> wrote: > > Hi Stephen, > > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > Thanks, > > Cheryl > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote: > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods. > > > > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part! > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust. > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems... > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree. > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...! > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten... > > > > Stephen. > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into. > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > ... > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content. > > > > ... > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day. > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high). > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners). > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe? > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > >  > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings. > > > > > >  > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you > find > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > >  > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out. > > > > > >  > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > >  > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it, though! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hello Anders
the SBM2008 says: Messung der elektrischen Körperspannung (Millivolt, mV) Messung des Körperpotenzials am im Bett elektrisch isoliert liegenden Menschen gegen Erdpotenzial. Mit Körperspannungsmessgerät, Voltmeter, Multimeter, Feldmeter, NF-Analyser... und Handelektrode bzw. Fingerelektro-de, Einstellung auf ACV: Messgeräte-Innenwiderstand 10 MOhm und Kapazität < 100 pF über alle genutzten Messberei-che, Frequenzbereich um 50 Hz (besser 400 kHz und höher), Nachweisempfindlichkeit 1 mV, Fehlertoleranz ± 10 %; Handelektroden-Zuleitung maximal 50 cm. Beachten: Solides Erdpotenzial als Bezug (Potenzialausgleich, Steckdose, Sanitärinstallation, Erdspieß...). Nähe der Test-person zu geerdeten Flächen (Abschirmung in Bettnähe...) bzw. Erdkontakt (Abschirmdecke unter dem Körper...) meiden. Bestimmung der dominierenden Frequenz (Hertz, Hz) und von auffälligen Oberwellen Mit NF-Spektrumanalyser, Oszilloskop, Frequenzzähler, Voltmeter, Feldmeter...: Frequenzbereich 10 Hz - 100 kHz (besser 400 kHz und höher). Elektrische Wechselfelder entstehen als Folge elektrischer Wechselspannung. Die Feldlinien verlaufen offen vom einem höheren zum niedrigeren Po-tenzial, im Endeffekt zur Erde (Quellenfeld). Das Feld wird durch leitende Objekte, die Messapparatur, die Mess- und Testperson beeinflusst. Bei der elektrischen Feldstärke geht es um Messungen von Spannungsunterschieden, so genannten Potenzialdifferenzen. Ein Sensor erfasst das Feld und vergleicht es mit einem Referenzpotenzial. Bei der seit 30 Jahren in der Baubiologie angewandten und bewährten erdbezogenen Feldstär-kemessung (TCO) ist diese Referenz das Erdpotenzial, die Feldsonde ist per Kabel mit Erde verbunden. Bei der in der Baubiologie neu eingeführten potenzialfreien Feldstärkemessung (DIN/VDE) befinden sich ein (1D Flächensensor) oder drei (3D Würfelsensor) Elektrodenplattenpaare in einer Feldsonde, es wird die Potenzialdifferenz der in einem definierten Abstand zueinander platzierten Elektrodenflächen ohne Erdbezug ermittelt. Die erd-bezogene Feldmessung (TCO) berücksichtigt den Menschen im Feld, denn er zieht die elektrischen Felder an, konzentriert sie auf sich, der Mensch ist Teil des Feldgeschehens. Die potenzialfreie Messung (DIN/VDE) wünscht das "ungestörte" Feld ohne den feldbeeinflussenden Menschen. Beide Feldmessmethoden - gegen Erde und potenzialfrei - haben im baubiologischen Alltag Stärken und Schwächen und sorgen gemeinsam - kombiniert mit der Körperspannungsmessung - für mehr Sicherheit. Vergleichende Messungen sind immer nur mit denselben Messmethoden möglich. Beispiele für Vor- und Nachteile: Die erdbezogene TCO-Methode schwächelt mit der Folge falscher Messergebnisse, wenn der Bezug Erdung nicht optimal ist; kein Problem für die potenzialfreie Messung. Die potenzialfreie DIN/VDE-Methode schwächelt, wenn feldbedingte Potenzialgefälle nicht ausgeprägt sind oder fehlen, weil aus verschiedenen Richtungen einwirkende Feldquellen ähnlich oder gleich stark sind, dann werden die Messwerte trotz offensichtlicher Emittenten zu gering oder gar nicht auffallen; kein Problem für die erdbezogene Messung. Vorsicht bei der TCO-Messung mit ge-erdeten Flächen und Gegenständen in der Nähe, das gilt auch für die Kontrolle von großflächigen Abschirmmaßnahmen. Vorsicht bei der DIN/VDE-Messung mit allen leitfähigen Materialien und Menschen im Feld und in der weiteren Umgebung, mehrere Meter Abstand sind nötig. Die eindimensio-nale TCO-Messung ist bei optimaler Ausrichtung zum Feldmaximum besonders gut für die Quellensuche und -lokalisierung geeignet ("Emissionsmes-sung"). Die dreidimensionale DIN/VDE-Messung ist richtungsunabhängig besonders gut für die Erfassung der Summe von Feldquellen an einem Punkt geeignet ("Immissionsmessung"). Die erdbezogene 1D-Messung ist oft einfach(er) und schnell(er), die Messgeräte sind erschwinglich. Die potenzial-freie 3D-Messung kann komplizierter und aufwändiger sein, die Messgeräte sind teurer, meist sind Computer für die Auswertung und Anzeige nötig. Auch bei der Körperspannung geht es um die Messung einer Potenzialdifferenz, diesmal vom menschlichen Körper, der als Folge der Summe aller Feldeinflüsse seiner Umgebung unter Spannung steht, zur Erde. Die einfache, sensible, seit 30 Jahren in der Baubiologie eingesetzte und bewährte Körperspannungsmessung ("kapazitive Körperankopplung" nach E.W. Fischer) kann nur optimal funktionieren, wenn der zu messende Mensch isoliert von Erde positioniert ist, wie es im Bett liegend meist der Fall ist. Hat die Testperson Nähe oder gar Kontakt zu Erde, wie es bei abgeschirmten Wand-flächen in Bettnähe und Abschirmdecken im Bettaufbau oder unter dem Körper passieren kann, fallen die Messwerte zu niedrig bis gleich Null aus. Die Frequenz eines Feldes und die Anzahl und Ausprägung von Oberwellen, so genannten Harmonischen, also ganzzahligen Vielfachen der Grund-frequenz, sind - neben der Feldstärke - ein Aspekt der biologischen Bewertung. Manche Organismen reagieren auf schwächere Felder bestimmter Frequenzen unter Umständen heftiger als auf stärkere Felder anderer Frequenzen, Frequenzgemische oder Oberwellenanteile. Es gibt bei Lebewe-sen, Organen, Zellen... verschiedenartige "Frequenzfenster" mit gesteigerter Empfindlichkeit. Oberwellen sind bei ohmschen Verbrauchern (Glühbirne, Herd, Fön...) und meist bei Hochspannungsleitungen, Bahnstrom, konventionellen Transfor-matoren... weniger ausgeprägt als bei Verbrauchern mit viel Elektronik (Energiesparlampe, elektronische Netzteile, Vorschaltgeräte, Ladegeräte, Dimmer, PC, Bildschirm, Induktionsherd...). Die in Europa typische Netzfrequenz ist 50 Hz (USA 60 Hz), viele elektronische Geräte funktionieren mit höheren Frequenzen (Energiesparlampen 20-60 kHz) oder mit Frequenzgemischen (PC, Bildschirm...), die Bahn fährt in Deutschland mit 16,7 Hz. That means that the bodypotential should be measured on a person, who is lying on a bed, but electrical isolated, against earth potential. Normally a digital AC voltmeter is used. The inside resistance must be 10 MOhm and a capacity of < 100 pF. Must show at least 1 mV. The cable of the handelectrode may be maximal 50 cm. The black wire of the meter is connected to a GOOD ground, and the person is holding the handelectrode. Be aware, that all kind of elektrosmog loads, so also the static DC ones (like the static magnetic fields of metal parts on the bed) are converted to an atternating current, which we measure. The point is, that the person must be potential-free. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anders Eriksson To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) Charles, could You please post some information about how to "measure body Voltage according to SBM2008"? /anders charles skrev 2010-09-21 20:32: > > Stephen, you keep continuing on this razzle dazzle. > > Did you or didn't you measure your own body voltage ?? > > The rest is pure theoretical. > Assuming and assuming. > > I want pure facts, not hypothetical gibberish. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:22 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac > Mini desktop) > > Well Charles do you have a milliVoltmeter? Do you have > some pH-strips? I believe you do... > > Then it shouldn't take too much time to check whether > Tennant's table on pH/voltage is nonsense or not... > > Apples may be different than human beings (really?), but > in order to prove Tennant's table it can be handy! > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@...> > wrote: > > > > As I said before: Nonsense. > > > > We care not talking about apples, but human beings. > > > > I asked you how you measure YOUR body Voltage. > > > > Obviously, you cannot do that. > > You are assuming according to a table that the body > Voltage must have a certain value, but you never measured > it correctly. > > > > Holding your breath has nothing to do with the body voltage. > > > > So it is nonsense. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac > Mini desktop) > > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between > body Voltage and pH. > > > > This is probably easy to test as you have a > milliVolt-meter. As mentioned in prevous post, measure an > apple/water with Voltmeter and pH-strip, Voltage and pH > will be according to Tennant's table: > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and > which circumstances. > > > > Urine and saliva wih pH-strips. Measuring > how-long-you-can-hold-your-breath with a stopwatch, > preferably in milliseconds! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between > body Voltage and pH. > > > I measure body Voltage according to SBM2008.> > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and > which circumstances. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:38 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac > Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > Charles, if you say entire body voltage of a person is > more than +400 mV that's NOT possible. Or are you saying > that a person can get an average pH of zero? > > > > > > pH and voltage are DIRECTLY linked. Measure an apple > or water with a voltmeter, if you measure -20 mV the pH > will always be 7.35... > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > Tennant takes an average of all meridians he measures > with his tool/Biomodulator, but I think you can also do > that with a volt or ohmmeter. Anyway, measuring that would > not be easy because you have to know the exact meridian > points... Maybe Tennant will show us one day when we visit > him in his clinic in Texas! > > > > > > You can have a notion of your entire body voltage: > > > > > > -urine in the morning after waiting for a few secs + > 0.7 pH (voltage/pH of fluids around the cells) > > > -saliva + 0.7 pH (cellular voltage/pH) > > > -holding your breath, the longer you can, the more > alkaline you are (less than 40 seconds is considered as > too acid) > > > > > > These are ROUGH indicators... Esp. the urine can be > very different from your entire body voltage because it is > highly influenced on what you ate the day before, > alkalizing influence of Potassium in urine... > > > > > > Good links on measuring pH: > > > > > > http://www.jupiterionizer.com/saliva_urine_ph_testing.htm > > > http://www.royalrife.com/ph.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I measure the Voltage which is present in the entire > body. According to the Standard baubiologische > Messtechnik, SBM2008. > > > > I do not know how to measure Voltage of the nervous > system. > > > > > > > > And the persons I measured their high body Voltage > were certainly not dead (yet). > > > > > > > > How do you measure your body voltage? > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:05 PM > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on > Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, I'm talking about ENTIRE BODY VOLTAGE, > you're talking about sth different. If you measure 4000 mV > you're not measuring entire body voltage but something > else, central nervous system maybe... > > > > > > > > If voltage is more than +400 mV (electron stealer) > than the pH is 0!... I don't think you've ever met a > person with a body voltage of more than +400 mV (pH of 0) > or he must've been dead... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I understand the body voltage (when measured > correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV. > > > > > An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV > > > > > > > > > > And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even > 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !! > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which > shows the elektrosmog load in the body. > > > > > Even on opposite sides of the body. > > > > > > > > > > It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough > for getting better from electrosensitivity. > > > > > > > > > > I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list > has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of > electrosensitives. > > > > > Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*. > > > > > > > > > > I find it also remarkable that nobody here > comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D. > > > > > It contains also a lot of useful tips. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on > Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, > > > > > > > > > > THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and - > > > > > > > > > > + stands for electron stealer > > > > > - stands for electron donor > > > > > > > > > > The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45: > > > > > > > > > > pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV > > > > > pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV > > > > > > > > > > ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you > have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed > to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your > body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)... > > > > > > > > > > If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body > voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV > (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" > that to between -20 mV and -25 mV... > > > > > > > > > > Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression > "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > That is nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is just important to have a very low body > voltage, preferably 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie > on a waterbed. > > > > > > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi > on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you > have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to > diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and > they don't know much yet but it seems: > > > > > > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are > without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. > > > > > > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is > you have tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that > he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium > supplements. But definitely those that have a very low > body voltage = too acid. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if there's a link between the two, > namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that > mean you have more tj permeability? > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together > with pantethine (Vit B5). > > > > > > > > > > > > >From Tennnant: > > > > > > > > > > > > pH of... > > > > > > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > > 7.5: none > > > > > > > > > > > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of > 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by > about 0.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. > Tennant's > > > > > > > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is > downloadable on: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > > > > > > > > > > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > > > > > > > > > > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. > Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP > and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do > best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral > Calcium too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much > because I just have to be careful with everything! And if > you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to > suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 > daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should > take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much > Calcium you feel good or better with. > > > > > > > > > > > > And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise > it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say > (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't > take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better > Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for > instance... > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need > and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a > complicated matter? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and > Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are > low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > > > > > > > > > > > gr, > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Cheryl Griffing > <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and read > that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for > it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to > combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: > Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special > Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. > Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even > better. They also emphasize you should eat local and > seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your > intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very > well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my > intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably > grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not > a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than > 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the > Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane > told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a > copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk > anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is > also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet > would be very good for you (actually I think everybody > would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for > instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be > food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, > homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what > Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most > difficult part! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should > be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple > store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms > and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking > this further for myself. It might be that you do need some > extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some > salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but > in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. > I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere > that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to > be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also > said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well > that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj > perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check > your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after > the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without > Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more > energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the > Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took > your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have > tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood > Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels > because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect > you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be > caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes > tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our > diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of > people that have recovered tremendously by switching to > non-gluten... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that > dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside > of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other > stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long > while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm afraid > that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the > side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't > been eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll > get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" > computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people > with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I > haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to > listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling > me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried > taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is > highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my > body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more > positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium > ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic > acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - > I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine > if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a > gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. > Some "experts" even recommend that you take > gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a > "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of > exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of > sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or > something in which I could find out definitively if I > would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction > permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to > look into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "stephen_vandevijvere" > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many > Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr > Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be > indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such > occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your > vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are > dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables > and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water > each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your > diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you > should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a > couple of times each day and write down what en when > you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, > first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then > hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have > this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes > (too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can > have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big > influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an > influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets > better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no > sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so > much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a > physical necessity (which seems common with those having > hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy > level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is > kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is > buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I > had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just > had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got > better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on > dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year > and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if > you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, > because I think other people must have the same thing > without knowing so. It sees very common with those that > are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of > intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the > great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into > consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as > thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue > to have debilitatingly low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human > biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. > Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? > I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a > seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and > I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs > has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't > "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - > were technically in the "normal" range. I was however > "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo > that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be > functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was > pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the > typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is > recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). > Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood > cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below > normal, and my ferritin had > > > > > > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in > 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held > relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) > bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia > has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward > explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could > definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. > Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 > and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent > during those years. So this has really made me wonder if > something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew > Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - > ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's > way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause > oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, > even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic > toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the > iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation > could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar > reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple > Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain > point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's > hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became > cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or > "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to > leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the > mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard > time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or > 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a > rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I > was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs > felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered > why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in > front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it > happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook > Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in > front of, say, the Mac Mini, > > > > > > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something > about the laptops that caused this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure > reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like > it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that > you describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on > eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of > my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was > Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork > that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting > glucose level was on the high side....higher than I > thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my > way to developing diabetes. I've since found out > (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty > electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, > CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with > normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I > like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so > much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a > bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you > have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for > "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable > autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our > symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the > ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I > would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you > work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining > things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood > pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you > feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and > then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My > heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with > bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't > psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; > that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart > rate is the same--it means little to people if that > changes, usually. But you might be able to find > temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration > changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I > also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show > when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most > reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf > exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature > differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less > profound finding than tanking bp. If you > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, > you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing. > (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics > and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean > significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and > 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go > down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than > that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found > that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which > follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), > the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that > your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some > degree it can do this often. So you will have to take > readings over a long period of time to understand how your > body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp > when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, > my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. > This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. > After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and > stresses out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people > who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when > you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to > believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info > as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine > articles. Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) > gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. We > have had good info here in the past year to share with > others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good > articles at a time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan > <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini > desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly > isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is > overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called > "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions > about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for > everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is > what is more profitable to them). And there are other > "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish > decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble > verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the > frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to > this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult > for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real > quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of > hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be > more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still > seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't > receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling > WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where > this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever > gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at > least June/July before it's done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I > guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) > I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate > what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think > Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to > considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless > technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than > the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare > (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like > it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too > full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully > investigate or admit to the harm that all of this > "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night > - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really > messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't > work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone > else in my household is awake (and using the computer). > When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've > noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides > our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the > phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless > signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means > turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - > it means risking someone not being able to reach us via > phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up > situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, > I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my > parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in > their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone > uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be > "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from > the cordless phone - at least not before my > computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more > aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a > couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the > base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and > said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. 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Hello Anders,
the SBM2008 says about this: ***************************** Messung der elektrischen Körperspannung (Millivolt, mV) Messung des Körperpotenzials am im Bett elektrisch isoliert liegenden Menschen gegen Erdpotenzial. Mit Körperspannungsmessgerät, Voltmeter, Multimeter, Feldmeter, NF-Analyser... und Handelektrode bzw. Fingerelektro-de, Einstellung auf ACV: Messgeräte-Innenwiderstand 10 MOhm und Kapazität < 100 pF über alle genutzten Messberei-che, Frequenzbereich um 50 Hz (besser 400 kHz und höher), Nachweisempfindlichkeit 1 mV, Fehlertoleranz ± 10 %; Handelektroden-Zuleitung maximal 50 cm. Beachten: Solides Erdpotenzial als Bezug (Potenzialausgleich, Steckdose, Sanitärinstallation, Erdspieß...). Nähe der Test-person zu geerdeten Flächen (Abschirmung in Bettnähe...) bzw. Erdkontakt (Abschirmdecke unter dem Körper...) meiden. Bestimmung der dominierenden Frequenz (Hertz, Hz) und von auffälligen Oberwellen Mit NF-Spektrumanalyser, Oszilloskop, Frequenzzähler, Voltmeter, Feldmeter...: Frequenzbereich 10 Hz - 100 kHz (besser 400 kHz und höher). Elektrische Wechselfelder entstehen als Folge elektrischer Wechselspannung. Die Feldlinien verlaufen offen vom einem höheren zum niedrigeren Po-tenzial, im Endeffekt zur Erde (Quellenfeld). Das Feld wird durch leitende Objekte, die Messapparatur, die Mess- und Testperson beeinflusst. Bei der elektrischen Feldstärke geht es um Messungen von Spannungsunterschieden, so genannten Potenzialdifferenzen. Ein Sensor erfasst das Feld und vergleicht es mit einem Referenzpotenzial. Bei der seit 30 Jahren in der Baubiologie angewandten und bewährten erdbezogenen Feldstär-kemessung (TCO) ist diese Referenz das Erdpotenzial, die Feldsonde ist per Kabel mit Erde verbunden. Bei der in der Baubiologie neu eingeführten potenzialfreien Feldstärkemessung (DIN/VDE) befinden sich ein (1D Flächensensor) oder drei (3D Würfelsensor) Elektrodenplattenpaare in einer Feldsonde, es wird die Potenzialdifferenz der in einem definierten Abstand zueinander platzierten Elektrodenflächen ohne Erdbezug ermittelt. Die erd-bezogene Feldmessung (TCO) berücksichtigt den Menschen im Feld, denn er zieht die elektrischen Felder an, konzentriert sie auf sich, der Mensch ist Teil des Feldgeschehens. Die potenzialfreie Messung (DIN/VDE) wünscht das "ungestörte" Feld ohne den feldbeeinflussenden Menschen. Beide Feldmessmethoden - gegen Erde und potenzialfrei - haben im baubiologischen Alltag Stärken und Schwächen und sorgen gemeinsam - kombiniert mit der Körperspannungsmessung - für mehr Sicherheit. Vergleichende Messungen sind immer nur mit denselben Messmethoden möglich. Beispiele für Vor- und Nachteile: Die erdbezogene TCO-Methode schwächelt mit der Folge falscher Messergebnisse, wenn der Bezug Erdung nicht optimal ist; kein Problem für die potenzialfreie Messung. Die potenzialfreie DIN/VDE-Methode schwächelt, wenn feldbedingte Potenzialgefälle nicht ausgeprägt sind oder fehlen, weil aus verschiedenen Richtungen einwirkende Feldquellen ähnlich oder gleich stark sind, dann werden die Messwerte trotz offensichtlicher Emittenten zu gering oder gar nicht auffallen; kein Problem für die erdbezogene Messung. Vorsicht bei der TCO-Messung mit ge-erdeten Flächen und Gegenständen in der Nähe, das gilt auch für die Kontrolle von großflächigen Abschirmmaßnahmen. Vorsicht bei der DIN/VDE-Messung mit allen leitfähigen Materialien und Menschen im Feld und in der weiteren Umgebung, mehrere Meter Abstand sind nötig. Die eindimensio-nale TCO-Messung ist bei optimaler Ausrichtung zum Feldmaximum besonders gut für die Quellensuche und -lokalisierung geeignet ("Emissionsmes-sung"). Die dreidimensionale DIN/VDE-Messung ist richtungsunabhängig besonders gut für die Erfassung der Summe von Feldquellen an einem Punkt geeignet ("Immissionsmessung"). Die erdbezogene 1D-Messung ist oft einfach(er) und schnell(er), die Messgeräte sind erschwinglich. Die potenzial-freie 3D-Messung kann komplizierter und aufwändiger sein, die Messgeräte sind teurer, meist sind Computer für die Auswertung und Anzeige nötig. Auch bei der Körperspannung geht es um die Messung einer Potenzialdifferenz, diesmal vom menschlichen Körper, der als Folge der Summe aller Feldeinflüsse seiner Umgebung unter Spannung steht, zur Erde. Die einfache, sensible, seit 30 Jahren in der Baubiologie eingesetzte und bewährte Körperspannungsmessung ("kapazitive Körperankopplung" nach E.W. Fischer) kann nur optimal funktionieren, wenn der zu messende Mensch isoliert von Erde positioniert ist, wie es im Bett liegend meist der Fall ist. Hat die Testperson Nähe oder gar Kontakt zu Erde, wie es bei abgeschirmten Wand-flächen in Bettnähe und Abschirmdecken im Bettaufbau oder unter dem Körper passieren kann, fallen die Messwerte zu niedrig bis gleich Null aus. Die Frequenz eines Feldes und die Anzahl und Ausprägung von Oberwellen, so genannten Harmonischen, also ganzzahligen Vielfachen der Grund-frequenz, sind - neben der Feldstärke - ein Aspekt der biologischen Bewertung. Manche Organismen reagieren auf schwächere Felder bestimmter Frequenzen unter Umständen heftiger als auf stärkere Felder anderer Frequenzen, Frequenzgemische oder Oberwellenanteile. Es gibt bei Lebewe-sen, Organen, Zellen... verschiedenartige "Frequenzfenster" mit gesteigerter Empfindlichkeit. Oberwellen sind bei ohmschen Verbrauchern (Glühbirne, Herd, Fön...) und meist bei Hochspannungsleitungen, Bahnstrom, konventionellen Transfor-matoren... weniger ausgeprägt als bei Verbrauchern mit viel Elektronik (Energiesparlampe, elektronische Netzteile, Vorschaltgeräte, Ladegeräte, Dimmer, PC, Bildschirm, Induktionsherd...). Die in Europa typische Netzfrequenz ist 50 Hz (USA 60 Hz), viele elektronische Geräte funktionieren m ***************************** That means that a person must lie on a bed, electrically isolated, and that his bodypotential is measured against earth potential. The AC multimter must have an inside resistance of 10 MOhm and a capacity of < 100 pF. The length of the cable to the handelectrode may be maximal 50 cm. The black cable is to be connected to a GOOD grounding. Many elektrosmog sources, even the static ones like the static magnetic fields of metal parts of beds, do transform into small electrical alternating AC fields, and these are measured. One can see an direct change when one lturns on a bedside lamp for instance. So the body voltage is measured of the complete body. The higher this voltage, the more people feel comfortable. Many people experience this phenomenon, when they leave a car and touch a metal part of it, a door f.i. Then this body voltage discharges itsself, and one feels that quite well. Walking on rubber soles raises the body voltage. On the contrary walking barefoot and showering before going to bed, do lower the body voltage. The inner voltage of cells is something else. The potentialdifference between the inside and outside of a nerve cell is 70 mV. The inside of a nerve cell is negatively charged. The tension on the outside of a nerve cell is 1 uV. (not milli, but micro V) Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: Anders Eriksson To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) Charles, could You please post some information about how to "measure body Voltage according to SBM2008"? /anders [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hello Kooky,
it is on my website under Literature. http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina8.html Scroll down till you see: Flow System Therapy. There is the link where you can download the many chapters. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: Kooky To: [hidden email] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) Charles Could you let me know where can I download the book for free by H. Stiekema M.D. So far, I found it being sold for 20 Euros. Fnx Kooky --- On Tue, 9/21/10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Loni <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 11:44 AM I used a water bed for many many years when I was younger. Could that have contributed the EHS? Loni --- On Tue, 9/21/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 7:28 AM I understand the body voltage (when measured correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV. Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV. An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !! Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which shows the elektrosmog load in the body. Even on opposite sides of the body. It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough for getting better from electrosensitivity. I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of electrosensitives. Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*. I find it also remarkable that nobody here comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D. It contains also a lot of useful tips. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen_vandevijvere To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) Charles, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and - + stands for electron stealer - stands for electron donor The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45: pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)... If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" that to between -20 mV and -25 mV... Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit! --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > That is nonsense. > > It is just important to have a very low body voltage, preferably 30 mV. > > If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie on a waterbed. > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > Hi Cheryl, > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems: > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm. > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid. > > I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability? > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5). > > >From Tennnant: > > pH of... > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > 7.5: none > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7. > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on: > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too. > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with. > > And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance... > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-) > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > gr, > Stephen. > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cheryl > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > To: [hidden email] > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part! > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems... > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten... > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into. > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you > > find > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. 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I think that here a great misunderstanding takes place.
The whole body voltage is quite easily performed. Many meters like those of Hanna do measure the conductivity of the fluid, where they are held in. Some meters call it ppm, others pH, Redox, etc. Yes, here very small amounts of currents are measured. But that is not the whole body voltage, but a measuring of the electrical conductivity. I can imagine, that Tennant uses such a type of meter. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen_vandevijvere To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:56 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) Charles, I've been googling on other sources that confirm Tennant's theory that pH is directly linked with Voltage. Below there are 5 sources. It seems that pH-meters measure the voltage to check the pH, so pH-meters are also based on Tennant's "nonsense" theory. One source mentions the conversion mV/pH is 59, a Dutch source says it is 58. I calculated that Tennant's table is based on 57 mV/pH, so not much difference here. http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html Example one: 7.53 - 6.48 = 1.05 pH -30 - 30 = -60 mV 60/1.05 = 57 millivolts per pH unit. Example two: 7.88 - 7.53 = 0.35 pH -50 - (-30) = -20 mV 20/0.35 = 57 millivolts per pH unit. Other sources: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_9/6.html http://www.sensorland.com/HowPage037.html .What is important to understand is that these two electrodes generate a voltage directly proportional to the pH of the solution. At a pH of 7 (neutral), the electrodes will produce 0 volts between them. At a low pH (acid) a voltage will be developed of one polarity, and at a high pH (caustic) a voltage will be developed of the opposite polarity. .pH can be measured by measuring the voltage produced between two special electrodes immersed in the liquid solution. .ideally 59.16 millivolts per pH unit. http://www.lenntech.nl/water-chemie-uitgebreid-ph.htm#ixzz10C9yogGn Per pH-eenheid ontstaat er ongeveer 58 millivolt (0,058 Volt). http://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-ph-meters-work.html .An acidic solution has far more positively charged hydrogen ions in it than an alkaline one, so it has greater potential to produce an electric current in a certain situation-in other words, it's a bit like a battery that can produce a greater voltage. A pH meter takes advantage of this and works like a voltmeter: it measures the voltage (electrical potential) produced by the solution whose acidity we're interestred in, compares it with the voltage of a known solution, and uses the difference in voltage (the "potential difference") between them to deduce the difference in pH. http://euphrates.wpunj.edu/faculty/partnership/CBL/ex-cbl05.htm This voltage varies linearly with the log of the H+ ion activity. Because pH = -log[H+], the voltage produced varies linearly with pH. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Stephen, you keep continuing on this razzle dazzle. > > Did you or didn't you measure your own body voltage ?? > > The rest is pure theoretical. > Assuming and assuming. > > I want pure facts, not hypothetical gibberish. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:22 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > Well Charles do you have a milliVoltmeter? Do you have some pH-strips? I believe you do... > > Then it shouldn't take too much time to check whether Tennant's table on pH/voltage is nonsense or not... > > Apples may be different than human beings (really?), but in order to prove Tennant's table it can be handy! > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > As I said before: Nonsense. > > > > We care not talking about apples, but human beings. > > > > I asked you how you measure YOUR body Voltage. > > > > Obviously, you cannot do that. > > You are assuming according to a table that the body Voltage must have a certain value, but you never measured it correctly. > > > > Holding your breath has nothing to do with the body voltage. > > > > So it is nonsense. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH. > > > > This is probably easy to test as you have a milliVolt-meter. As mentioned in prevous post, measure an apple/water with Voltmeter and pH-strip, Voltage and pH will be according to Tennant's table: > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. > > > > Urine and saliva wih pH-strips. Measuring how-long-you-can-hold-your-breath with a stopwatch, preferably in milliseconds! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH. > > > I measure body Voltage according to SBM2008.> > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:38 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > Charles, if you say entire body voltage of a person is more than +400 mV that's NOT possible. Or are you saying that a person can get an average pH of zero? > > > > > > pH and voltage are DIRECTLY linked. Measure an apple or water with a voltmeter, if you measure -20 mV the pH will always be 7.35... > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > Tennant takes an average of all meridians he measures with his tool/Biomodulator, but I think you can also do that with a volt or ohmmeter. Anyway, measuring that would not be easy because you have to know the exact meridian points... Maybe Tennant will show us one day when we visit him in his clinic in Texas! > > > > > > You can have a notion of your entire body voltage: > > > > > > -urine in the morning after waiting for a few secs + 0.7 pH (voltage/pH of fluids around the cells) > > > -saliva + 0.7 pH (cellular voltage/pH) > > > -holding your breath, the longer you can, the more alkaline you are (less than 40 seconds is considered as too acid) > > > > > > These are ROUGH indicators... Esp. the urine can be very different from your entire body voltage because it is highly influenced on what you ate the day before, alkalizing influence of Potassium in urine... > > > > > > Good links on measuring pH: > > > > > > http://www.jupiterionizer.com/saliva_urine_ph_testing.htm > > > http://www.royalrife.com/ph.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I measure the Voltage which is present in the entire body. According to the Standard baubiologische Messtechnik, SBM2008. > > > > I do not know how to measure Voltage of the nervous system. > > > > > > > > And the persons I measured their high body Voltage were certainly not dead (yet). > > > > > > > > How do you measure your body voltage? > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:05 PM > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, I'm talking about ENTIRE BODY VOLTAGE, you're talking about sth different. If you measure 4000 mV you're not measuring entire body voltage but something else, central nervous system maybe... > > > > > > > > If voltage is more than +400 mV (electron stealer) than the pH is 0!... I don't think you've ever met a person with a body voltage of more than +400 mV (pH of 0) or he must've been dead... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I understand the body voltage (when measured correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV. > > > > > An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV > > > > > > > > > > And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !! > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which shows the elektrosmog load in the body. > > > > > Even on opposite sides of the body. > > > > > > > > > > It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough for getting better from electrosensitivity. > > > > > > > > > > I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of electrosensitives. > > > > > Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*. > > > > > > > > > > I find it also remarkable that nobody here comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D. > > > > > It contains also a lot of useful tips. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, > > > > > > > > > > THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and - > > > > > > > > > > + stands for electron stealer > > > > > - stands for electron donor > > > > > > > > > > The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45: > > > > > > > > > > pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV > > > > > pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV > > > > > > > > > > ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)... > > > > > > > > > > If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" that to between -20 mV and -25 mV... > > > > > > > > > > Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > That is nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is just important to have a very low body voltage, preferably 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie on a waterbed. > > > > > > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems: > > > > > > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. > > > > > > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability? > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5). > > > > > > > > > > > > >From Tennnant: > > > > > > > > > > > > pH of... > > > > > > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > > 7.5: none > > > > > > > > > > > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's > > > > > > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > > > > > > > > > > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > > > > > > > > > > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with. > > > > > > > > > > > > And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance... > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > > > > > > > > > > > gr, > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had > > > > > > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, > > > > > > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. 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Each cellular biology book gave passing notice to the fact that cells require a narrow range of pH, but little more was discussed on the subject. He began to look at pH and discovered that it is a measurement of the voltage in a solution. It is measured with a sophisticated voltmeter. If the solution is an electron donor, a minus sign is placed in front of the voltage. If the solution is an electron stealer, a plus sign is placed in front of the voltage. The measured voltage is then converted to a logarithmic scale from 0-14 with zero corresponding to +400 millivolts of electron stealer to -400 millivolts corresponding to a pH of 14. Cell are designed to run at about -20 millivolts (pH 7.35). Dr. Tennant began to understand that cells must have enough voltage to work and that chronic disease was associated with loss of voltage. Next he had to find out how to measure the voltage and then how to correct it.
http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Dr._Tennants_Story.html This image has a lot of numbers on it. Don't be confused. It helps you relate the cell voltage to cell pH and salivary pH. The colors are those normally found on pH strips. Adults usually run their body at -20 millivolts (pH 7.35). Children, young adults and athletes run closer to -30 millivolts. When a cell needs to heal itself, it must get to -50 millivolts so it has enough voltage to heal. After healing is complete, it returns to the operating voltage of -20 millivolts. Problems occur when the voltage drops below the operating voltage. At -15 millivolts, you are tired. At -10 mV, you are sick. At -5 mV things quit working. As voltage continues to drop, several bad things happen. You get chronic pain, oxygen levels decrease, and infections occur. The infections further damage your cells as they begin to have you for lunch! At +30 millivolts, you get cancer! It becomes obvious that chronic disease is always associated with a loss of voltage. To correct chronic disease, you must insert enough electrons to push the cells back up to the healing voltage of -50 mV. You must also have enough raw materials (nutrition) to make new cells. Nutrition without voltage does not work. Voltage without nutrition does not work. You must have both! http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html The voltage in my thumb is -20 millivolts. Now I hit it with a hammer. The voltage immediately goes to -50 millivolts so it has enough power to replace the cells I damaged with the hammer. At -50 millivolts, we have the signs familiar as inflammation: throbbing pain, swelling, redness, and heat as well as decreased function. When tissue is at -50 millivolts and healing is occurring, two things are possible. It can have enough electrons to heal the damaged cells, and it returns to normal at -20 millivolts. The other possibility is that it runs out of voltage before the damaged cells are replaced. It then drops to a voltage lower than -20 millivolts. Now we have all the signs of degeneration. The pain changes from throbbing to a constant ache, the swelling may or may not be present, redness turns to paleness, and heat disappears as circulation diminishes. Remember that we normally don't get well by making damaged cells work correctly. We get well by making new cells that work correctly. We replace the rods and cones in our retinas every 48 hours. The skin you are sitting in is only six weeks old. Your liver is eight weeks old. Your brain replaces itself every eight months. Your bones are replaced every year. Making new cells requires raw materials (nutrition) and the voltage to use them. When your thumb is less than -20 millivolts, there are no pharmaceuticals or surgeries that will heal it because there isn't enough voltage to make it heal! You must insert electrons to raise the voltage to -50 millivolts so that new cells can be made. The body knows how to heal most things if you give it the nutrition and voltage to do it. http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage_Page_2.html How Do I Measure Cell Voltage and Cell Frequency? The body has two wiring systems that carry voltage to each organ. Both are made of fibrous tissue since fibrous tissue has the least resistance to the movement of electrons in the body. By having two circuits, if one fails, there is the opportunity for the other to keep the organ working somewhat. One wiring system is called the Perineural Nervous System and is actually a sheath around each nerve. The other is the acupuncture system and is actually the fascial planes of the body. One can tap into either wiring system to measure the voltage in the organs. It is difficult to use a voltmeter to measure the organ voltage because voltage surges about every six seconds. Thus we commonly use an ohmmeter to measure and then convert that to voltage. There are several devices designed to accurately and reproducibly measure organ voltage like the Nakatani (MEAD) system, the Voll systems, and the Tennant Biomodulator. By placing one of these devices onto a wire known to go to each organ, one can know the voltage in that organ. Cells in the adult human are designed to run at -20 to -25 millivolts and to heal at -50 millivolts. The minus sign means that the voltage is an electron donor. If the voltage drops to the point the solution is an electron stealer, we put a plus sign in front of the voltage. Cancer occurs at +30 millivolts. Measuring cell frequency is not easy. Although it can be done with sophisticated and expensive laboratory equipment, there are no affordable and reliable instruments to do it in the clinical setting. Hydrogen emits over 100 different frequencies. Oxygen emits over 400 different frequencies. Thus water emits over 500 frequencies. (These frequencies are listed in the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics.) Now imagine the number of frequencies in a complex molecule like serotonin or in an organ like the liver! Each will emit thousands of different frequencies. There is no frequency generator that can generate so many frequencies at the same time. Thus the idea that a computer chip can drive a frequency generator to emit the "digital signal" of biologically active molecules is simply fanciful. In 1978, Dr. Helmut Schimmel originated the Vegetative Reflex Test (V.R.T.) or VEGATEST- Method. The system is based on measuring against special test ampoules filled with biologically active substances rather than organ-linked acupuncture points themselves. With each skin measurement point, the response of the person to the test ampoules results in a "yes or no" reading. By using substances in vials, it is an attempt to overcome the limitation of a computer not being able to create these frequencies. Other similar devices like the MORA, Bicom, Dermatron, etc. attempt to follow this method. Some people attempt to estimate cell frequency using Applied Kinesiology (testing to see if muscles are weak or strong and using the change from one to the other to tell them the answer they seek). Studies have shown this not to be reliable in most cases. Others say they have devices that measure the frequency by sending "digital signatures of biologically active substances" to the body to see if the body reacts to it. They are not really doing so because there are no devices that can send such signals. Any biologically active substance contains hundreds or thousands of frequencies of variable voltage. We do not have any frequency generators that can reproduce that type of signal. Those that say they are sending such signals are just using a software program that is a random number generator. It randomly assigns numbers to each organ or substance. Such devices never produce reproducible results because they aren't really measuring anything. Thus you are told that they are using Quantum physics to hide the fact that they aren't really measuring anything. Remember that there are no clinical devices that can accurately and reproducibly measure frequency in the body. Dana Young has created a more reliable method of measuring cellular frequency by using various essential oils in his PAT system. One can see that pain is present or something isn't functioning by what the patient says/feels and/or how much mobility they have in their movements of arms and neck. Each different oil contains hundreds of frequencies. If you apply the frequencies of any given organ, that organ will function better and you see the result or the patient feels the result. In this system, we do not know a specific frequency that we can write down, but we know that that oil or blend of oils contain the frequencies that correspond to a certain organ. Cairo Touch Blend - targets structural alignment Birch Oil -targets bones Helichrysum Oil - targets nervous system Marjoram Oil - targets the muscular system Lemongrass Oil - targets tendons and cartilage Cypress Oil - targets the circulatory system Geranium Oil - targets the emotional system Treatment of Low Voltage and Low Frequency Once one determines that the voltage of an organ is low, you will want to correct it. One does that by inserting electrons into one of the wires that carries voltage to that organ by drinking water that contains electrons (alkaline water), by eating foods that contain electrons (unprocessed foods), by getting into the sun, putting your feet in the dirt, hugging other living things, or by using devices designed to supply electrons like the Tennant Biomodulator, low-level lasers, etc. Correcting frequency is not as commonly understood. For the transfer of electrons to the cell, the electrons must have a frequency (distance between rotations of the vortex of energy) that is the same of the cell. A perfect example of this problem is rose oil. Much is made of the fact that rose oil has the highest frequency of any essential oil. Its frequency is about 320 megahertz. The problem is that no organ in the human is known to operate at 320 megahertz. It can only be effective if a harmonic of 320 megahertz corresponds to the frequency of some organ. Its harmonics include 160 megahertz and 80 megahertz. The human brain operates at 70-78 megahertz. (These numbers are not that precise, so a small variation in numbers is okay.) Thus rose oil can transfer its energy to the brain since 80 megahertz is very close to the 78 megahertz that the brain will accept. So rose oil is not effective in helping brains work better because it has the highest frequency of any oil but because one of its harmonics will transfer energy to the cells of the brain. Peppermint running at 78 megahertz will have a similar effect on the brain as rose oil whose harmonic is 80 megahertz, and peppermint is much more affordable than rose! Another problem is that, although we might say that peppermint emits a frequency of 78 megahertz, that is the average frequency it emits. Peppermint will actually be emitting hundreds of frequencies that average out to 78 megahertz. The brain will also be running at hundreds of different frequencies that average out to 78 megahertz. Thus a synthetic oil made to smell like peppermint will be emitting one frequency that may or may not be close to 78 megahertz, but it will certainly not be emitting the same hundreds of frequencies that real peppermint oil will emit. Thus it won't work the same. Look at the table above. Note that the harmonic of lavender is 59 MHz. This is very close to the resonate frequency of many of the organs. Thus we understand why lavender is considered the "universal essential oil", i.e., it is useful for many different things because it resonates with many different organs, particularly lungs, liver, stomach, spleen and colon! We have the same problem with frequency generators and lasers. Frequency machines like most Rife machines will be emitting a single frequency. Low-level lasers will also be emitting one frequency. Lasers come in specific frequencies. They are usually 380 nanometers, 410 nM, 640 nM, 780 nM, etc. The actual frequency any laser puts out can vary by 20% from the frequency on the label. Again, these are single frequency devices and whether or not that frequency will transfer its energy to the cell is determined by whether it resonates with the cell. Now you can understand why I created the Infinity Frequency Set in the Tennant Biomodulator. It emits a wide range of frequencies and each frequency series it emits is different from the previous ones. Thus it is an effort to duplicate what is found in nature---a wide range of frequencies that will be able to transfer energy to the cells by having the frequencies that will resonate with the various types of cells in the body. Thus it is an effort to have the same effect as applying numerous different essential oils and not having to figure out which oils are needed. When I began to use essential oils, I found it difficult to memorize the hundreds of oils that are available and figure out which to use for any individual patient. Dana Young's PAT system answered much of this problem. I didn't have to thumb through books looking for the oil I needed and wondering if it was the right one. However, I found a problem with the PAT system---not in how it works but the time it takes. I could not afford the 20-30 minutes time it takes added onto the 1 1/2 hours I was already spending with each patient. I needed a faster system. I started out by going through an encyclopedia of essential oils. Under each oil, it would describe the uses for each oil. I put all of these into a database. It took months for me to complete this task. However, then I could sort the database for any illness and find the oils recommended for it. This was only a partial help because now it might list 15 oils for a given illness. Which one should I use? I then read in a book about the chemistry of essential oils that the terpenes contained in each oil tended to have different effects. The effects described were fairly non-specific and I wondered how they came to those conclusions. However, I decided to add the chemistry to my database. After completing that, I could now sort my database by the chemical constituents. When I did so, I found that one of the terpenes gave effects that were primarily killing infections and detoxification! Now I had something I could use. I found that another of the terpene family was primarily anti-inflammatory and another was primarily for metabolic problems and brain function. This made a lot more sense than what was in the chemistry book! I knew that to get the energy to transfer to the cells, I needed the correct frequencies for each type of cell. Since there is no clinical way to measure this, it occurred to me that the more of each type of terpene there was in an oil, the more likely it was to have additional frequencies present in that oil. I sorted by database and found the combinations of oils that had the highest percentages of each type of terpenes. I made blends based on this content rather than the usual method of making blends based on octaves or some other method. As far as I know. I then figured out which blends work for each BioTerminal. Of course there are certain conditions that cause me to go directly to a single oil. If there is a skin problem, I use lavender. For headaches or brain fog, I will go directly to peppermint. Energetic Medicine and Nutrition It is often overlooked that energy does not replace nutrition. I may get a temporary improvement in a patient that is deficient in iodine if I insert the frequency of iodine, but this will be temporary. The patient must consume iodine to be healthy. So it is with all the nutrients. One must consume all the nutrients needed to make a new cell to be healthy. Using the essential oils or the Tennant Biomodulator does not give you license to eat processed, contaminated foods. They will not overcome the poisons created by infected teeth. They help restore the voltage and the frequencies of cells to help them start the process of healing, but without proper raw materials (nutrition) to make new cells, this improvement will be temporary. Remember that cells and computers need the same things: hardware (nutrition), voltage (energy), and software (information). You get the nutrition from food choices. You get the voltage from the Tennant BioModulator, and you get the software (frequencies/information) from the BioTerminal Essential oils. Summary To operate correctly, cells must have the proper voltage and the proper frequency as well as hardware that can be replaced when it wears out (make new cells from good nutrition). Chronic illness is almost always characterized by low voltage and a decrease in the frequency of the affected organ. Restoration of health must involve correcting both the voltage and the frequency of each cell and providing the nutrition necessary to make good new cells. Measurement of the voltage of organs is easy and reproducible with devices like the Nakatani (MEAD) systems, Voll Systems and the Tennant Biomodulator. However, there is no clinical device (only expensive laboratory devices) that can reproducibly measure the frequency at which an organ is operating. Thus no clinical device can tell us which oils any specific patients needs. Treatment of low voltage can be done with various electron donors. A predictable way to do so is with the Tennant Biomodulator. Treatment of low frequencies is more difficult as one must find a way to insert frequencies into the organs that correspond to the normal frequencies of those cells. These are not single frequencies but hundreds of frequencies. A pure essential oil is ideal in that each contains hundred of frequencies. However, the trick is to figure out which oil has the appropriate frequencies for any given patient. I developed a system of oil blends that correspond to each BioTerminal (major power station for each region of the body). If you have a problem in your pelvis, you would use the Pelvic BioTerminal oil. If you have a problem in your chest, you would use the Chest BioTerminal oil, etc. See the Essential Oil tab. http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Energetic_Medicine.html --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > I think that here a great misunderstanding takes place. > > The whole body voltage is quite easily performed. > > Many meters like those of Hanna do measure the conductivity of the fluid, where they are held in. > Some meters call it ppm, others pH, Redox, etc. > Yes, here very small amounts of currents are measured. > But that is not the whole body voltage, but a measuring of the electrical conductivity. > I can imagine, that Tennant uses such a type of meter. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:56 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > Charles, I've been googling on other sources that confirm Tennant's theory that pH is directly linked with Voltage. Below there are 5 sources. > > It seems that pH-meters measure the voltage to check the pH, so pH-meters are also based on Tennant's "nonsense" theory. > > One source mentions the conversion mV/pH is 59, a Dutch source says it is 58. I calculated that Tennant's table is based on 57 mV/pH, so not much difference here. > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > Example one: > 7.53 - 6.48 = 1.05 pH > -30 - 30 = -60 mV > 60/1.05 = 57 millivolts per pH unit. > > Example two: > 7.88 - 7.53 = 0.35 pH > -50 - (-30) = -20 mV > 20/0.35 = 57 millivolts per pH unit. > > > Other sources: > > http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_9/6.html > http://www.sensorland.com/HowPage037.html > .What is important to understand is that these two electrodes generate a voltage directly proportional to the pH of the solution. At a pH of 7 (neutral), the electrodes will produce 0 volts between them. At a low pH (acid) a voltage will be developed of one polarity, and at a high pH (caustic) a voltage will be developed of the opposite polarity. > > .pH can be measured by measuring the voltage produced between two special electrodes immersed in the liquid solution. > > .ideally 59.16 millivolts per pH unit. > > > http://www.lenntech.nl/water-chemie-uitgebreid-ph.htm#ixzz10C9yogGn > Per pH-eenheid ontstaat er ongeveer 58 millivolt (0,058 Volt). > > > > http://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-ph-meters-work.html > .An acidic solution has far more positively charged hydrogen ions in it than an alkaline one, so it has greater potential to produce an electric current in a certain situation-in other words, it's a bit like a battery that can produce a greater voltage. A pH meter takes advantage of this and works like a voltmeter: it measures the voltage (electrical potential) produced by the solution whose acidity we're interestred in, compares it with the voltage of a known solution, and uses the difference in voltage (the "potential difference") between them to deduce the difference in pH. > > > http://euphrates.wpunj.edu/faculty/partnership/CBL/ex-cbl05.htm > > This voltage varies linearly with the log of the H+ ion activity. Because pH = -log[H+], the voltage produced varies linearly with pH. > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > Stephen, you keep continuing on this razzle dazzle. > > > > Did you or didn't you measure your own body voltage ?? > > > > The rest is pure theoretical. > > Assuming and assuming. > > > > I want pure facts, not hypothetical gibberish. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:22 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > Well Charles do you have a milliVoltmeter? Do you have some pH-strips? I believe you do... > > > > Then it shouldn't take too much time to check whether Tennant's table on pH/voltage is nonsense or not... > > > > Apples may be different than human beings (really?), but in order to prove Tennant's table it can be handy! > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > As I said before: Nonsense. > > > > > > We care not talking about apples, but human beings. > > > > > > I asked you how you measure YOUR body Voltage. > > > > > > Obviously, you cannot do that. > > > You are assuming according to a table that the body Voltage must have a certain value, but you never measured it correctly. > > > > > > Holding your breath has nothing to do with the body voltage. > > > > > > So it is nonsense. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH. > > > > > > This is probably easy to test as you have a milliVolt-meter. As mentioned in prevous post, measure an apple/water with Voltmeter and pH-strip, Voltage and pH will be according to Tennant's table: > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. > > > > > > Urine and saliva wih pH-strips. Measuring how-long-you-can-hold-your-breath with a stopwatch, preferably in milliseconds! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH. > > > > I measure body Voltage according to SBM2008.> > > > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances. > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:38 PM > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, if you say entire body voltage of a person is more than +400 mV that's NOT possible. Or are you saying that a person can get an average pH of zero? > > > > > > > > pH and voltage are DIRECTLY linked. Measure an apple or water with a voltmeter, if you measure -20 mV the pH will always be 7.35... > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > > > Tennant takes an average of all meridians he measures with his tool/Biomodulator, but I think you can also do that with a volt or ohmmeter. Anyway, measuring that would not be easy because you have to know the exact meridian points... Maybe Tennant will show us one day when we visit him in his clinic in Texas! > > > > > > > > You can have a notion of your entire body voltage: > > > > > > > > -urine in the morning after waiting for a few secs + 0.7 pH (voltage/pH of fluids around the cells) > > > > -saliva + 0.7 pH (cellular voltage/pH) > > > > -holding your breath, the longer you can, the more alkaline you are (less than 40 seconds is considered as too acid) > > > > > > > > These are ROUGH indicators... Esp. the urine can be very different from your entire body voltage because it is highly influenced on what you ate the day before, alkalizing influence of Potassium in urine... > > > > > > > > Good links on measuring pH: > > > > > > > > http://www.jupiterionizer.com/saliva_urine_ph_testing.htm > > > > http://www.royalrife.com/ph.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I measure the Voltage which is present in the entire body. According to the Standard baubiologische Messtechnik, SBM2008. > > > > > I do not know how to measure Voltage of the nervous system. > > > > > > > > > > And the persons I measured their high body Voltage were certainly not dead (yet). > > > > > > > > > > How do you measure your body voltage? > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:05 PM > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, I'm talking about ENTIRE BODY VOLTAGE, you're talking about sth different. If you measure 4000 mV you're not measuring entire body voltage but something else, central nervous system maybe... > > > > > > > > > > If voltage is more than +400 mV (electron stealer) than the pH is 0!... I don't think you've ever met a person with a body voltage of more than +400 mV (pH of 0) or he must've been dead... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand the body voltage (when measured correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV. > > > > > > An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV > > > > > > > > > > > > And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !! > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which shows the elektrosmog load in the body. > > > > > > Even on opposite sides of the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough for getting better from electrosensitivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of electrosensitives. > > > > > > Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*. > > > > > > > > > > > > I find it also remarkable that nobody here comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D. > > > > > > It contains also a lot of useful tips. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, > > > > > > > > > > > > THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and - > > > > > > > > > > > > + stands for electron stealer > > > > > > - stands for electron donor > > > > > > > > > > > > The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45: > > > > > > > > > > > > pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV > > > > > > pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV > > > > > > > > > > > > ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)... > > > > > > > > > > > > If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" that to between -20 mV and -25 mV... > > > > > > > > > > > > Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is just important to have a very low body voltage, preferably 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie on a waterbed. > > > > > > > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems: > > > > > > > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. > > > > > > > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From Tennnant: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pH of... > > > > > > > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > > > 7.5: none > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's > > > > > > > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gr, > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had > > > > > > > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, > > > > > > > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. 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Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
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It's not because pH is logarithmic and not-linear, the linear ratio mV/pH is not possible...
I have 5 sources that it is linear on previous posting below... By the way Decibels are logarithmic too, let's say just as a silly example, the louder the music played on a party the more people get a headache: 50 dB : 1 person 60 dB : 5 persons 70 dB : 10 persons 80 dB : 15 persons dB/person = 2 althus also linear Another example from Tennant's table or from any other pH-meter: - 400 mV = 0 pH + 400 mV = 14 pH 0 - 14 = -14 - 400 - 400 = -800 800/14 = 57 mV/pH --- In [hidden email], Anders Eriksson <skal.man@...> wrote: > > There is nothing like 59mV/pH! The pH-scale is logarithmic. > Consult wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH > > /anders > > stephen_vandevijvere skrev 2010-09-21 21:56: > > > > Charles, I've been googling on other sources that confirm > > Tennant's theory that pH is directly linked with Voltage. > > Below there are 5 sources. > > > > It seems that pH-meters measure the voltage to check the > > pH, so pH-meters are also based on Tennant's "nonsense" > > theory... > > > > One source mentions the conversion mV/pH is 59, a Dutch > > source says it is 58. I calculated that Tennant's table is > > based on 57 mV/pH, so not much difference here... > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > Example one: > > 7.53 - 6.48 = 1.05 pH > > -30 -- 30 = -60 mV > > 60/1.05 = 57 millivolts per pH unit... > > > > Example two: > > 7.88 -- 7.53 = 0.35 pH > > -50 -- (-30) = -20 mV > > 20/0.35 = 57 millivolts per pH unit... > > > > Other sources: > > > > http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_9/6.html > > http://www.sensorland.com/HowPage037.html > > ...What is important to understand is that these two > > electrodes generate a voltage directly proportional to the > > pH of the solution. At a pH of 7 (neutral), the electrodes > > will produce 0 volts between them. At a low pH (acid) a > > voltage will be developed of one polarity, and at a high > > pH (caustic) a voltage will be developed of the opposite > > polarity... > > > > ...pH can be measured by measuring the voltage produced > > between two special electrodes immersed in the liquid > > solution... > > > > ...ideally 59.16 millivolts per pH unit... > > > > http://www.lenntech.nl/water-chemie-uitgebreid-ph.htm#ixzz10C9yogGn > > Per pH-eenheid ontstaat er ongeveer 58 millivolt (0,058 > > Volt). > > > > http://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-ph-meters-work.html > > ...An acidic solution has far more positively charged > > hydrogen ions in it than an alkaline one, so it has > > greater potential to produce an electric current in a > > certain situation---in other words, it's a bit like a > > battery that can produce a greater voltage. A pH meter > > takes advantage of this and works like a voltmeter: it > > measures the voltage (electrical potential) produced by > > the solution whose acidity we're interestred in, compares > > it with the voltage of a known solution, and uses the > > difference in voltage (the "potential difference") between > > them to deduce the difference in pH... > > > > http://euphrates.wpunj.edu/faculty/partnership/CBL/ex-cbl05.htm > > > > This voltage varies linearly with the log of the H+ ion > > activity. Because pH = --log[H+], the voltage produced > > varies linearly with pH. > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Stephen, you keep continuing on this razzle dazzle. > > > > > > Did you or didn't you measure your own body voltage ?? > > > > > > The rest is pure theoretical. > > > Assuming and assuming. > > > > > > I want pure facts, not hypothetical gibberish. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:22 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac > > Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > Well Charles do you have a milliVoltmeter? Do you have > > some pH-strips? I believe you do... > > > > > > Then it shouldn't take too much time to check whether > > Tennant's table on pH/voltage is nonsense or not... > > > > > > Apples may be different than human beings (really?), but > > in order to prove Tennant's table it can be handy! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > As I said before: Nonsense. > > > > > > > > We care not talking about apples, but human beings. > > > > > > > > I asked you how you measure YOUR body Voltage. > > > > > > > > Obviously, you cannot do that. > > > > You are assuming according to a table that the body > > Voltage must have a certain value, but you never measured > > it correctly. > > > > > > > > Holding your breath has nothing to do with the body > > voltage. > > > > > > > > So it is nonsense. > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > To: [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 PM > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac > > Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between > > body Voltage and pH. > > > > > > > > This is probably easy to test as you have a > > milliVolt-meter. As mentioned in prevous post, measure an > > apple/water with Voltmeter and pH-strip, Voltage and pH > > will be according to Tennant's table: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, > > and which circumstances. > > > > > > > > Urine and saliva wih pH-strips. Measuring > > how-long-you-can-hold-your-breath with a stopwatch, > > preferably in milliseconds! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying that there is a connection between > > body Voltage and pH. > > > > > I measure body Voltage according to SBM2008.> > > > > > > > > > > You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage. > > > > > What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, > > and which circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:38 PM > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on > > Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, if you say entire body voltage of a person > > is more than +400 mV that's NOT possible. Or are you > > saying that a person can get an average pH of zero? > > > > > > > > > > pH and voltage are DIRECTLY linked. Measure an apple > > or water with a voltmeter, if you measure -20 mV the pH > > will always be 7.35... > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html > > > > > > > > > > Tennant takes an average of all meridians he > > measures with his tool/Biomodulator, but I think you can > > also do that with a volt or ohmmeter. Anyway, measuring > > that would not be easy because you have to know the exact > > meridian points... Maybe Tennant will show us one day when > > we visit him in his clinic in Texas! > > > > > > > > > > You can have a notion of your entire body voltage: > > > > > > > > > > -urine in the morning after waiting for a few secs + > > 0.7 pH (voltage/pH of fluids around the cells) > > > > > -saliva + 0.7 pH (cellular voltage/pH) > > > > > -holding your breath, the longer you can, the more > > alkaline you are (less than 40 seconds is considered as > > too acid) > > > > > > > > > > These are ROUGH indicators... Esp. the urine can be > > very different from your entire body voltage because it is > > highly influenced on what you ate the day before, > > alkalizing influence of Potassium in urine... > > > > > > > > > > Good links on measuring pH: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.jupiterionizer.com/saliva_urine_ph_testing.htm > > > > > http://www.royalrife.com/ph.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I measure the Voltage which is present in the > > entire body. According to the Standard baubiologische > > Messtechnik, SBM2008. > > > > > > I do not know how to measure Voltage of the > > nervous system. > > > > > > > > > > > > And the persons I measured their high body Voltage > > were certainly not dead (yet). > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you measure your body voltage? > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:05 PM > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on > > Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, I'm talking about ENTIRE BODY VOLTAGE, > > you're talking about sth different. If you measure 4000 mV > > you're not measuring entire body voltage but something > > else, central nervous system maybe... > > > > > > > > > > > > If voltage is more than +400 mV (electron stealer) > > than the pH is 0!... I don't think you've ever met a > > person with a body voltage of more than +400 mV (pH of 0) > > or he must've been dead... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand the body voltage (when measured > > correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV. > > > > > > > An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even > > 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, > > which shows the elektrosmog load in the body. > > > > > > > Even on opposite sides of the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is nice to live healthy, but that is not > > enough for getting better from electrosensitivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list > > has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of > > electrosensitives. > > > > > > > Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find it also remarkable that nobody here > > comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D. > > > > > > > It contains also a lot of useful tips. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi > > on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + stands for electron stealer > > > > > > > - stands for electron donor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV > > > > > > > pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if > > you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're > > exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make > > your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more > > acid)... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body > > voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV > > (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" > > that to between -20 mV and -25 mV... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression > > "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is just important to have a very low body > > voltage, preferably 30 mV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to raise the body voltage, just > > lie on a waterbed. > > > > > > > > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: > > Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if > > you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to > > diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and > > they don't know much yet but it seems: > > > > > > > > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are > > without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. > > > > > > > > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is > > you have tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book > > that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium > > supplements. But definitely those that have a very low > > body voltage = too acid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if there's a link between the > > two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does > > that mean you have more tj permeability? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP > > together with pantethine (Vit B5). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From Tennnant: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pH of... > > > > > > > > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca > > carbonate > > > > > > > > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > > > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > > > > > > > > 7.5: none > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of > > 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by > > about 0.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. > > Tennant's > > > > > > > > > > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is > > downloadable on: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. > > Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP > > and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do > > best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral > > Calcium too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much > > because I just have to be careful with everything! And if > > you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to > > suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 > > daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should > > take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much > > Calcium you feel good or better with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And make sure you also take Magnesium > > (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). > > Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you > > shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so > > better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening > > for instance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need > > and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a > > complicated matter? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and > > Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are > > low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gr, > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Cheryl Griffing > > <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and > > read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take > > for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to > > combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere > > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: > > Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special > > Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. > > Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even > > better. They also emphasize you should eat local and > > seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your > > intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very > > well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my > > intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably > > grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not > > a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than > > 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the > > Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane > > told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a > > copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk > > anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is > > also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet > > would be very good for you (actually I think everybody > > would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for > > instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be > > food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, > > homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what > > Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most > > difficult part! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another > > should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the > > Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your > > symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying > > problems... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking > > this further for myself. It might be that you do need some > > extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some > > salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but > > in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it > > out. I can send you some links and info. You mention > > somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well > > Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically > > proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and > > she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well > > that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj > > perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check > > your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after > > the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without > > Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more > > energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the > > Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took > > your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have > > tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood > > Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels > > because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect > > you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be > > caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that > > causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing > > in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a > > lot of people that have recovered tremendously by > > switching to non-gluten... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible > > that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction > > inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited > > other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a > > long while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm > > afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had > > the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I > > haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should. > > Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a > > "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people > > with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I > > haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to > > listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling > > me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried > > taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is > > highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my > > body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more > > positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium > > ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic > > acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis > > - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to > > determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and > > if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit > > me. Some "experts" even recommend that you take > > gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a > > "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of > > exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of > > sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or > > something in which I could find out definitively if I > > would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight > > junction permeability" - I guess that's something else > > I'll have to look into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "stephen_vandevijvere" > > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many > > Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr > > Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be > > indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such > > occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your > > vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are > > dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables > > and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water > > each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your > > diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you > > should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a > > couple of times each day and write down what en when > > you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, > > first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then > > hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have > > this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes > > (too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can > > have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big > > influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an > > influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets > > better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no > > sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not > > so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a > > physical necessity (which seems common with those having > > hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy > > level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is > > kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is > > buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I > > had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just > > had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got > > better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on > > dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year > > and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if > > you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, > > because I think other people must have the same thing > > without knowing so. It sees very common with those that > > are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of > > intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the > > great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into > > consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as > > thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue > > to have debilitatingly low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human > > biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. > > Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? > > I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a > > seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and > > I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs > > has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't > > "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - > > were technically in the "normal" range. I was however > > "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo > > that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be > > functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was > > pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the > > typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is > > recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). > > Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood > > cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below > > normal, and my ferritin had > > > > > > > > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in > > 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held > > relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) > > bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia > > has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward > > explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could > > definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. > > Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 > > and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent > > during those years. So this has really made me wonder if > > something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew > > Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - > > ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's > > way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause > > oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, > > even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic > > toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the > > iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation > > could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar > > reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the > > Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a > > certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme > > fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body > > became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or > > "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to > > leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the > > mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard > > time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or > > 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a > > rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I > > was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs > > felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered > > why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in > > front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it > > happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook > > Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in > > front of, say, the Mac Mini, > > > > > > > > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was > > something about the laptops that caused this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure > > reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like > > it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that > > you describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on > > eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of > > my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was > > Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork > > that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting > > glucose level was on the high side....higher than I > > thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my > > way to developing diabetes. I've since found out > > (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty > > electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, > > CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with > > normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I > > like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so > > much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a > > bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you > > have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for > > "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable > > autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our > > symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the > > ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I > > would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you > > work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining > > things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood > > pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you > > feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and > > then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My > > heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with > > bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't > > psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; > > that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart > > rate is the same--it means little to people if that > > changes, usually. But you might be able to find > > temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration > > changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I > > also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show > > when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most > > reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf > > exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature > > differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less > > profound finding than tanking bp. If you > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, > > however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder > > testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from > > electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean > > significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and > > 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go > > down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than > > that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found > > that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which > > follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), > > the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that > > your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some > > degree it can do this often. So you will have to take > > readings over a long period of time to understand how your > > body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp > > when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, > > my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. > > This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. > > After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and > > stresses out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have > > people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle > > when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people > > to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer > > info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and > > magazine articles. Share with them the warning that > > Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) > > bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year > > to share with others. Don't give reams of info--just one > > or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan > > <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac > > Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" > > certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" > > is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these > > so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making > > decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" > > for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is > > what is more profitable to them). And there are other > > "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish > > decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble > > verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the > > frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to > > this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult > > for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real > > quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit > > of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be > > more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still > > seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't > > receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling > > WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where > > this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever > > gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at > > least June/July before it's done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I > > guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) > > I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate > > what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think > > Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to > > considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless > > technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than > > the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare > > (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like > > it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too > > full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully > > investigate or admit to the harm that all of this > > "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at > > night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is > > really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I > > don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when > > someone else in my household is awake (and using the > > computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though > > - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that > > provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to > > hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out > > our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router > > also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief > > from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to > > reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a > > really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - > > well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought > > my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is > > in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this > > phone uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not > > to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed any > > symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my > > computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more > > aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a > > couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the > > base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and > > said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It > > still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it, though! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
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I took calcium in the morning and magnesuim in the evening and it helped a bit - particularly with joint pain which would come on badly for a week at a time - however I was recently diagnosed with a gall stone - and one of the causes can be calcium supplementation so I had to stop - there was also research published recently here in the UK about calcium supplements fardening the arteries and leading to heart disease so I am now very confused about what to do. BW Steph ________________________________ From: Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Tue, 21 September, 2010 23:28:43 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) Hi Stephen, Thank you so very much for the detailed information. I am currently taking calcium but perhaps need to take more and experiment like you said. Cheryl --- On Tue, 9/21/10, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote: From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 6:01 AM Hi Cheryl, Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems: -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm. -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm. Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid. I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability? Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5). From Tennnant: pH of... below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > 7.5: none A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7. In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on: http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html (Click on how to stay well booklet) So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too. Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with. And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance... If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-) Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these... gr, Stephen. --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@...> wrote: > > Hi Stephen, > > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much >do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to >combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > Thanks, > > Cheryl > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote: > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best >possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They >also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods. > > > > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology >seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my >intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, >pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't >eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the >Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes >of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the >same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special >Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would >benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And >Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, >medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know >already, the most difficult part! > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body >needs time to adjust. > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the >emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying >problems... > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might >be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some >salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems >it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and >info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron >seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she >wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to >check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then >check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you >take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have >more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your >Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems >likely you have tj perm in some degree. > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should >check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're >experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should >all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a >lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten... > > > > Stephen. > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a >role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other >stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have >the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" >has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been >eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I >finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more >salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried >to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more >salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C >(which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't >like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral >ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic >acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to >investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and >if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even >recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a >"Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be >*major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a >test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from >one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's >something else I'll have to look into. > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> >wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 >years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > ... > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water >shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase >your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight >and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and >mineral content. > > > > ... > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 >grams) of salt in your diet/day. > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on >this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when >you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have >hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to >insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes >(too high). > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't >know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an >influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only >low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners). > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, >biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those >having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much >better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same >thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had >times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some >dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm >skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much >better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted >to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without >knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or >with a lot of intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take >all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as >thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly >low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon >that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? >I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over >the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain >emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" >anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" >range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo >that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, >anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - >the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some >that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago >- my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and >my ferritin had > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of >these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork >- but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least >hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing >with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious >way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my >bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made >me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler >claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet >because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause >oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of >iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it >can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause >the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, >etc.). > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something >"interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme >fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, >I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the >need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During >the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which >was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a >rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or >collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and >I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the >Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a >Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front >of, say, the Mac Mini, > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused >this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the >laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you >describe? > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or >at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was >Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also >noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I >thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing >diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, >or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > >  > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these >problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) >(Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more >Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year >or two in some public opinion. > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use >that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable >autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned >by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to >find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it >out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit >meaningful readings. > > > > > >  > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. >Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, >and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes >up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that >you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might >be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means little >to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find temperature >changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad >emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show >when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.) If you >experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature >differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding > find > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for >ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics >and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > >  > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting >bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go >down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer >exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes >the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), >the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your body tries to right >itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often. So you will have to >take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works. I >often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait >even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. >This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my body >can no longer deal with it and stresses out. > > > > > >  > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes >an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to >believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too, >Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the >warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. >We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't give >reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > >  > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) >Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called >"normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology >that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned >about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people >in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most >effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to >this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to >articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with >my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still >seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong >resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. >We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets >done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's >done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were >"ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally >validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be >ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of >this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. >when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't >seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just >too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the >harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My >sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't >work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is >awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - >I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless >internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device >that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means >turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking >someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a >really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back >in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in >their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology >- it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed >any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced >e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I >asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base >station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep >difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it, >though! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Stephanie, remarkable you mention this...
I had taken Calcium AEP for only 10 days in very low dosages and since then having problems with what I'm almost certain is my gallbladder! That's why I mentioned I had the impression Ca AEP is not really good for me and that I prefer the organic Ca... Now I start to think about a couple of months ago when I had the same thing, similar problems with gallbladder, and I believe that was also when I took a bit more then low dosages of the organic Ca... Although the Ca does me some good, it SEEMS that my gall bladder is also sensitive to the Ca (esp. the AEP)! There's a strong link liver-gallbladder, both very important for detox... Maybe the Ca makes us more alkaline, accelerates the detox, which is too much for gallbladder... Tennant advises for those that have a gallbladder that has too little bile, to supplement with ox bile... --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > hi everyone > > I took calcium in the morning and magnesuim in the evening and it helped a bit - > particularly with joint pain which would come on badly for a week at a time - > however I was recently diagnosed with a gall stone - and one of the causes can > be calcium supplementation so I had to stop - there was also research published > recently here in the UK about calcium supplements fardening the arteries and > leading to heart disease so I am now very confused about what to do. > > > BW > > Steph > > > Â > > > > ________________________________ > From: Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tue, 21 September, 2010 23:28:43 > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > Â > Hi Stephen, > > Thank you so very much for the detailed information. > > I am currently taking calcium but perhaps need to take more and experiment like > you said. > > Cheryl > > --- On Tue, 9/21/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> > wrote: > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 6:01 AM > > Â > > Hi Cheryl, > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although > that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and > they don't know much yet but it seems: > > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely > have tj perm. > > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm. > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody > to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body > voltage = too acid. > > I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low > body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability? > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5). > > From Tennnant: > > pH of... > > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate > > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > > 7.5: none > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the > cellular pH numbers by about 0.7. > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's > > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on: > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried > Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem > to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too. > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful > with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to > suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of > Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to > test how much Calcium you feel good or better with. > > > And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much > Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you > shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the > morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance... > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, > fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-) > > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important > minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > gr, > > Stephen. > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much > >do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to > >combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best > >possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They > >also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology > >seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my > >intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, > >pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't > >eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the > >Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes > >of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the > >same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special > >Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would > >benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And > >Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, > >medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know > >already, the most difficult part! > > > > > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body > >needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the > >emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying > >problems... > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might > >be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some > >salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems > >it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and > >info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron > >seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she > >wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to > >check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then > >check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you > >take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have > >more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your > >Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems > >likely you have tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should > >check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're > >experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should > >all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a > >lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten... > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a > >role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other > >stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have > >the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" > >has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been > >eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I > >finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more > >salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried > >to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more > >salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C > >(which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't > >like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral > >ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic > >acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to > >investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and > >if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even > >recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a > >"Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be > >*major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a > >test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from > >one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's > >something else I'll have to look into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 > >years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water > >shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase > >your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight > >and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and > >mineral content. > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 > >grams) of salt in your diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on > >this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when > >you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have > >hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to > >insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes > >(too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't > >know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an > >influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only > >low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, > >biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those > >having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much > >better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same > >thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had > >times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some > >dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm > >skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much > >better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted > >to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without > >knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or > >with a lot of intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take > >all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as > >thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly > >low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon > >that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? > >I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over > >the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain > >emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" > >anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" > >range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo > >that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, > >anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - > >the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some > >that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago > >- my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and > >my ferritin had > > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of > >these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork > >- but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least > >hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing > >with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious > >way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my > >bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made > >me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler > >claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet > >because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause > >oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of > >iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it > >can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause > >the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, > >etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something > >"interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme > >fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, > >I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the > >need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During > >the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which > >was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a > >rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or > >collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and > >I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the > >Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a > >Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front > >of, say, the Mac Mini, > > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused > >this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the > >laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you > >describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or > >at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was > >Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also > >noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I > >thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing > >diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, > >or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these > >problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.ÃÂ (Hugs)ÃÂ > >(LolÃÂ I like to call them the "Normals".ÃÂ It makes it sound so much more > >Orwellian.ÃÂ ;)ÃÂ )ÃÂ ÃÂ But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year > >or two in some public opinion.ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use > >that if you do for "proof".ÃÂ I have no idea how many of us haveÃÂ noticeable > >autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned > >by others here)ÃÂ can relate to the ANS.ÃÂ It is so easy to monitor yourself to > >find out.ÃÂ I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it > >out.ÃÂ They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit > >meaningful readings. > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.ÃÂ > >Monitor yourself when you feel your best, thenÃÂ when you feel "normal" for you, > >and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs.ÃÂ My heart rate goes > >up with badÃÂ emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.ÃÂ Most people will agree that > >you can'tÃÂ psychologicallyÃÂ control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might > >be a sign you are upset, etc....ÃÂ The heart rate is the same--it means little > >to people if that changes, usually.ÃÂ But you might be able to find temperature > >changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad > >emf exposures.ÃÂ (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show > >when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)ÃÂ If you > >experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature > >differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding > than tanking bp.ÃÂ If you > > > find > > > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for > >ANS disorder testing.ÃÂ (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics > >and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.ÃÂ My normal resting > >bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.ÃÂ When IÃÂ feel ill from bad emfs, it can go > >down to 60/40 inÃÂ 20 minsÃÂ and I have had even lower than that with longer > >exposures.ÃÂ With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes > >the exhaustion which follows.ÃÂ When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), > >the exhaustion also clears up.ÃÂ You will also see that your body tries to right > >itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often.ÃÂ So you will have to > >take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works.ÃÂ I > >often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait > >even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up.ÃÂ > >This is why long term exposures are more meaningful.ÃÂ After a while, my body > >can no longerÃÂ deal with it and stresses out. > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you andÃÂ itÃÂ becomes > >an added obstacle when you don't.ÃÂ It is most helpful if you can get people to > >believe you, if you can.ÃÂ Give them as much computer info as you can too, > >Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.ÃÂ Share with them the > >warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding greenÃÂ (CFL)ÃÂ bulbs, etc.ÃÂ > >We have had good info here in the past year to share with others.ÃÂ Don't give > >reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) > >Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called > >"normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology > >that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned > >about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people > >in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most > >effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to > >this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to > >articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with > >my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still > >seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong > >resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. > >We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets > >done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's > >done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were > >"ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally > >validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be > >ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of > >this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. > >when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't > >seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just > >too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the > >harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My > >sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't > >work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is > >awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - > >I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless > >internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device > >that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means > >turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking > >someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a > >really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back > >in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in > >their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology > >- it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed > >any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced > >e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I > >asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base > >station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep > >difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it, > >though! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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I also read about NOT taking calcium supps, unless from food sources, ie yogurt, cheese, and from the sea. Calcification can exacerbate gallbladder & kidney stones, calcification in arteries, joints, eyes, etc... and cause havoc in the whole system A good read, (many of us have calcification of some type floating around the whole body) : The Amazing Liver & Gallbladder Flush by Andreas Moritz --- On Thu, 9/23/10, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote: From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) To: [hidden email] Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 12:27 PM Stephanie, remarkable you mention this... I had taken Calcium AEP for only 10 days in very low dosages and since then having problems with what I'm almost certain is my gallbladder! That's why I mentioned I had the impression Ca AEP is not really good for me and that I prefer the organic Ca... Now I start to think about a couple of months ago when I had the same thing, similar problems with gallbladder, and I believe that was also when I took a bit more then low dosages of the organic Ca... Although the Ca does me some good, it SEEMS that my gall bladder is also sensitive to the Ca (esp. the AEP)! There's a strong link liver-gallbladder, both very important for detox... Maybe the Ca makes us more alkaline, accelerates the detox, which is too much for gallbladder... Tennant advises for those that have a gallbladder that has too little bile, to supplement with ox bile... --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > hi everyone > > I took calcium in the morning and magnesuim in the evening and it helped a bit - > particularly with joint pain which would come on badly for a week at a time - > however I was recently diagnosed with a gall stone - and one of the causes can > be calcium supplementation so I had to stop - there was also research published > recently here in the UK about calcium supplements fardening the arteries and > leading to heart disease so I am now very confused about what to do. > > > BW > > Steph > > >  > > > > ________________________________ > From: Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tue, 21 September, 2010 23:28:43 > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > >  > Hi Stephen, > > Thank you so very much for the detailed information. > > I am currently taking calcium but perhaps need to take more and experiment like > you said. > > Cheryl > > --- On Tue, 9/21/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> > wrote: > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 6:01 AM > >  > > Hi Cheryl, > > Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although > that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and > they don't know much yet but it seems: > > -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely > have tj perm. > > -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm. > > Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody > to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body > voltage = too acid. > > I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low > body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability? > > Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5). > > From Tennnant: > > pH of... > > below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate > > 6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate > > 7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate > > > 7.5: none > > A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the > cellular pH numbers by about 0.7. > > In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's > > 86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on: > > http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html > > (Click on how to stay well booklet) > > So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried > Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem > to do best with the organic one. I definitely want to try coral Calcium too. > > Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful > with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to > suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of > Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to > test how much Calcium you feel good or better with. > > > And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much > Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you > shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the > morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance... > > If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium. > > In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, > fats... So it's a complicated matter? ;-) > > > Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important > minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these... > > gr, > > Stephen. > > --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much > >do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to > >combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote: > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop) > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best > >possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They > >also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology > >seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my > >intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, > >pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't > >eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the > >Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes > >of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the > >same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!) > > > > > > > > > > > > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special > >Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would > >benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet). > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And > >Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, > >medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know > >already, the most difficult part! > > > > > > > > > > > > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body > >needs time to adjust. > > > > > > > > > > > > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the > >emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying > >problems... > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might > >be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some > >salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems > >it's sea salt I'm intolerant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and > >info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron > >seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she > >wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to > >check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then > >check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you > >take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have > >more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your > >Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems > >likely you have tj perm in some degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should > >check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're > >experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should > >all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a > >lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten... > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a > >role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other > >stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have > >the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" > >has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been > >eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I > >finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more > >salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried > >to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more > >salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C > >(which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't > >like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral > >ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic > >acid to be too "acidic" for me.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to > >investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and > >if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even > >recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a > >"Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be > >*major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a > >test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from > >one (or more) of these exclusion diets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's > >something else I'll have to look into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 > >years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water > >shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase > >your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight > >and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and > >mineral content. > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 > >grams) of salt in your diet/day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on > >this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when > >you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have > >hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to > >insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes > >(too high). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't > >know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an > >influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only > >low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, > >biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those > >having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much > >better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same > >thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had > >times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some > >dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm > >skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much > >better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted > >to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without > >knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or > >with a lot of intolerances/allergies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greets, > > > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take > >all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as > >thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly > >low mental energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon > >that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? > >I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over > >the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain > >emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" > >anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" > >range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo > >that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, > >anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - > >the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some > >that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago > >- my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and > >my ferritin had > > > "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of > >these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork > >- but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least > >hasn't improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing > >with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious > >way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my > >bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made > >me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler > >claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet > >because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause > >oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of > >iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it > >can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause > >the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, > >etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something > >"interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme > >fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, > >I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the > >need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During > >the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which > >was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a > >rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or > >collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and > >I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the > >Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a > >Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front > >of, say, the Mac Mini, > > > but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused > >this reaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the > >laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you > >describe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or > >at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was > >Stephen! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also > >noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I > >thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing > >diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, > >or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Svetaswan, > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these > >problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) > >(Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more > >Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year > >or two in some public opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use > >that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable > >autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned > >by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to > >find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it > >out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit > >meaningful readings. > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. > >Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, > >and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes > >up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that > >you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might > >be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means little > >to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find temperature > >changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad > >emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show > >when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.) If you > >experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature > >differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding > than tanking bp. If you > > > find > > > > > > > > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for > >ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics > >and cell towers as causal to this disorder.) > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting > >bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go > >down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer > >exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes > >the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), > >the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your body tries to right > >itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often. So you will have to > >take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works. I > >often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait > >even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. > >This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my body > >can no longer deal with it and stresses out. > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes > >an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to > >believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too, > >Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the > >warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. > >We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't give > >reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time. > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) > >Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called > >"normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology > >that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned > >about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people > >in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most > >effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to > >this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to > >articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with > >my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still > >seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong > >resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. > >We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets > >done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's > >done.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were > >"ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally > >validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be > >ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of > >this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. > >when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't > >seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just > >too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the > >harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My > >sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't > >work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is > >awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - > >I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless > >internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device > >that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means > >turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking > >someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a > >really messed-up situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back > >in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in > >their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology > >- it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed > >any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced > >e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I > >asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base > >station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep > >difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it, > >though! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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