SSD drives - worth the cost for emf-reduction?

If you feel better with inorganic minerals it's because you're low on minerals. And in the short run that may be better than taking nothing at all.

But everybody would be much better with taking organic minerals instead...

gr,
Stephen.



--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

I think those that are better with Himalayan/sea salt, must be low in Sodium or Chloride, because Himalayn/sea salt is mainly NaCl...

Last year I had problems with my knees, if I took water with Himalayan salt, it was better for my knees. Now I've realized I'm low on Sodium and sinceeating more organic Sodium (carrots, celery,...) my knee problems are almost gone...

Sodium is one of the most important minerals and like I had with my knees alot of other people may be better with taking salt in the short run... butin the long run NaCl is no good.

Taking organic stuff may take a bit longer to have an effect you notice butit's the best choice in the long run.

By the way, Marc, my heart may have missed a beat!, but I've never noticed that myself or written this here, maybe you're confusing with sb or sth else... I did write here that when attacked with emf I do get pain in my "heart zone"...

Stephen.



--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

Below a list of the % of the minerals in Celtic sea salt David advised...

The Celtic sea water is for 94% NaCl. And very low on other minerals?

If you take 1 teaspoon of sea salt (4 grams) with your water each day (which is a lot probably) you have less than 0.0004 mg which is 0.003% of your daily requirement of Zinc (12-15 mg).

I've checked this also for other minerals and I had the best score for Magnesium, 1 teaspoon should have (only) 4% of your daily requirement.

It seems that sea water as a food additive is only good for a lot of inorganic Sodium + Chloride...

And of course the body doesn't even absorb inorganic minerals as well as organic minerals...  


Sodium 31.42
Bromine 0.0403
Promethium <0.0011
Magnesium 3.12
Rubidium <0.0007
Samarium <0.0010
Aluminum <0.05
Strontium 0.0050
Europium <0.0009
Silicon 0.27
Yttrium <0.0004
Gadolinium <0.0007
Phosphorous <0.0395
Zirconium <0.0007
Terbium <0.0013
Sulfur 1.17
Niobium <0.0006
Dysprosium <0.0015
Chlorine 62.89
Molybdenum <0.0007
Holmium <0.0006
Potassium 0.64
Technetium <0.0009
Erbium <0.0007
Calcium 0.41
Ruthenium <0.0013
Thulium <0.0006
Scandium <0.005
Rhodium <0.0016
Ytterbium <0.0005
Titanium <0.0015
Palladium <0.0019
Lutetium <0.0005
Vanadium <0.0006
Silver <0.0025
Hafnium <0.0004
Chromium <0.0004
Cadmium <0.0035
Tantalum <0.0004
Manganese <0.0003
Indium <0.0044
Tungsten <0.0004
Iron 0.0284
Tin <0.0059
Rhenium <0.0004
Cobalt <0.0002
Antimony <0.0074
Osmium <0.0004
Nickel <0.0001
Tellurium <0.0537
Iridium <0.0003
Copper <0.0001
Iodine <0.0002
Platinum <0.0004
Zinc <0.0001
Cesium <0.0059
Gold <0.0004
Gallium <0.0001
Barium <0.0048
Mercury <0.0004
Germanium <0.0001
Lanthanum <0.0034
Thallium <0.0004
Arsenic <0.0001
Cerium <0.0023
Lead <0.0004
Selenium <0.0002
Praseodymium <0.0017
Bismuth <0.0004
Neodymium <0.0014
Thorium <0.0007
Uranium <0.0009




--- In [hidden email], "David Clover" <davidc6162@...> wrote:

That was me.
Steve

--- On Wed, 6/2/10, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote:

As this is an older post I'll rephrase,

Concerning adding salt to your food or drinking water I think:

-kitchen salt NaCl is not so good in the long run because it's inorganic and toxic

-sea salt and Himalaya salt is not much better than kitchen salt because ithas got at least 90% NaCl

-it's better to get Sodium from organic sources such as vegetables, goat's milk,...


Now I've just read that Dead Sea salt is much more different than other seasalt: it has got only 30% NaCl...

It has got mainly (this is based on measurements done in the 80's):
51% MgCl2
30% NaCl
14% CaCl2
4% KCl

So dead sea salt seems much better if you want something else than mainly NaCl... This would also explain why they say it has healing effects to bathein the Dead Sea... and not so much to bathe in the Atlantic.

I've just bathed in water + MgCl2 by the way... will let you know if I havepositive effects from it...

I may try bathing in Dead Sea salt and Epsom salts too... Here's an interesting text on MgCl2 vs MgSO4 (epsom salts):
http://alobar.livejournal.com/2746060.html

Stephen.



--- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:

Hi Diane,

I'm obviously WAY late on this - but I just wanted to thank you immensely for taking the time to respond with these wonderfully-informative posts! Myenergy-levels are sub-zero, so I'm afraid that I don't have much of a response - except to say that I will try to take the information you have provided, digesst it, and - as my energy/motivation permits, somehow incorporateit into some plan-of-action. At this point, though - I'm all talk and no action! Maybe sooner or later I'll get it together and assimilate all of this great info that you and others have provided.

You mention that you have further info on this topic that you're willing toshare. Well, through no fault of your own - I don't know if I'm up to reading the extensive research, but, at your convenience - you can post or email me the links, anyway. I'll bookmark the links, and maybe someday - sooner or later - I'll get around to reading it.

I do have one question at this time - that perhaps you or someone else can answer. This question might not be 100% related to what you discussed below, but the yeast-e.s. connection has been discussed some here. I've noticed that - pretty much whenever I leave this laptop on and fall asleep somewhere near it, I wake up with "thick", "yeasty", sometimes-stinky breath. You know that plaque-y, "thick" feeling that one can feel in his mouth upon waking up? Well, I get this in spades. I also sometimes notice a certain "feeling" in my esophagus, and even in my gut - that's hard to put into words. But it is possibly the feeling of bacteria/yeast being "stirred up", or"dieing off". Even when I'm 4 or 5 feet away from this computer - it has this effect. I can also feel the "dirty", "toxic" air that this computer emits - from a relatively-long distance. This computer can *fill the room* with this noxious, uncomfortable air. There seems to be a direct connection between this dirty air and my "thrush-like" symptoms. (That's not to saythat this is the only time I get these symptoms, though.)  

But could this be a sign that I have some pre-existing yeast problem that this computer is exacerbating, or bringing to the surface? Is this computercausing some type of "die-off" reaction, or is its toxic air somehow causing the yeast to grow/multiply? Or what *could* this be about?

Thanks, as always - to you and everyone for your helpfulness. (I can be forgetful as far as thanking people when they've been particularly helpful.)  

Btw, I'm always tempted to address you as "Evie" instead of "Diane" - because of your email addy/screename. :) I often type "Evie" - then catch myself and go back to correct it! I apologize in advance if/when I slip and leave "Evie" in by mistake. :)

And, don't worry about being "late" with your replies. As you can see, I'mway worse!

~Svetaswan

 

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

Hi Svetaswan! 
 
Talking about replying late!  lol  Sorry; what can I say but I have a most messy life right now, between family illnesses and 3 houses.  (I need to jetison a house really soon!  lol)
 
I was beginning to get worried about you, I hadn't seen any posts from you in so long!  I am glad you are back with us.  ;)  You are quite welcome, Sveta, re the post I made to you. 
 
BTW, I missed something in that post....  I should have mentioned thatafter the zonulin protein and gluten get into your bloodstream, your immune system treats them as foreign invaders and begins attacking thezot and glutens.  The attacks end up sometimes damaging the organs or parts of the body, ending in auto-immune diseases and excess inflammation.  This is the way the immune system begins its malfunctioning for many of us.  It can begin with celiac disease, but there are many other culprits which cause this same scenario.  I don't have the time today to send you the research which relates to all the info I sent previously.  I will, however, copy that post, inserting the research documentation where I can find it as soon as I have a day to do mail again.  (Probably early next week, I HOPE.  Lately I cannot predict which house I am going to be in on any given day and my computer is only at one house.  ;(  ) 

I am sorry to hear your fatigue is so bad right now.  You know, the anemia is probably a lot to blame for that!  If you could get some compatible blood from close relatives right now, it would probably do wonderful things for you.  (hint, hint)  ;)  When I was in your shoes,I had to have blood transfusions.  It didn't cure me, but I was at least able to think straight again afterwards.  What exactly are your docs doing to fix your anemia long-term?  Anything?  I hope they don't do what they did with me and just leave you hanging in anemia limbo!
 
As to the "yeast die-off" you asked about....  Yes, candida can be a problem with people with celiac disease, too!  And, you can get very bad die-off symptoms with candida.  But I read somewhere that the problem with yeasts and emfs is that emfs make yeasts/molds grow faster.  So that would suggest your computer is not causing die-off, but growth.  It is somewhat interesting, tho, that candida (yeast) has an appendage to its "body", for lack of the proper, more scientific term,  ;)  which is structurally identical to gluten.  So,those with celiac disease do have more difficulty with candida, apparently, because our immune systems go on attack of it (for the previously mentioned reason--it appears to be that same foreign invader (gluten) which shows up along with zonulin and zot). 
 
Hopefully, you can do some remediations with your computer in your bedroom so you are not growing mold in your mouth....  I use my laptop on my bed, also.  But I disconnect/unplug everything assoon as I am done online.  I have my plugs where I can easily access them.  I also disconnect the DSL modem and phone line, etc. All of these, then, do not affect me because they are totally inoperational.  However, if you have broadband or wifi cards in your computer, youcould still react a bit to those even with your computer unplugged.  (That is why I took mine out.  This was one of the things the Dell techs told me and helped me with.)
 
You mention wanting to call me Evie...  My real name is Diane.  Iset up the Evie address to confuse the "evil-doers" online.  lol  I don't mind being called either, tho, here.  I have been lately signing Diane/Evie because there is now another Diane here and, for awhile, I was getting alot of private email from friends who thought I was relapsing because they were confusing her email with mine.  So, don't sweat forgetting and addressing me as Evie.  It is no biggie; I am not offended by that.  
 
Hope I can get the huge gobs of research to you soon!  (Lucky you!  lol)
Diane

--- On Sat, 6/19/10, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: svetaswan <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini - t.j. perm (to Diane & others)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 6:18 AM


 





Hi Diane,

I'm obviously WAY late on this - but I just wanted to thank you immensely for taking the time to respond with these wonderfully-informative posts! My energy-levels are sub-zero, so I'm afraid that I don't have much of a response - except to say that I will try to take the information you have provided, digesst it, and - as my energy/motivation permits, somehow incorporate it into some plan-of-action. At this point, though - I'm all talk and no action! Maybe sooner or later I'll get it together and assimilate all of thisgreat info that you and others have provided.

You mention that you have further info on this topic that you're willing toshare. Well, through no fault of your own - I don't know if I'm up to reading the extensive research, but, at your convenience - you can post or email me the links, anyway. I'll bookmark the links, and maybe someday - sooneror later - I'll get around to reading it.

I do have one question at this time - that perhaps you or someone else can answer. This question might not be 100% related to what you discussed below, but the yeast-e.s. connection has been discussed some here. I've noticed that - pretty much whenever I leave this laptop on and fall asleep somewhere near it, I wake up with "thick", "yeasty", sometimes-stinky breath. You know that plaque-y, "thick" feeling that one can feel in his mouth upon waking up? Well, I get this in spades. I also sometimes notice a certain "feeling" in my esophagus, and even in my gut - that's hard to put into words. But it is possibly the feeling of bacteria/yeast being "stirred up", or "dieing off". Even when I'm 4 or 5 feet away from this computer - it has this effect. I can also feel the "dirty", "toxic" air that this computer emits - from a relatively-long distance. This computer can *fill the room* with thisnoxious, uncomfortable air. There seems to be a direct connection
between this dirty air and my "thrush-like" symptoms. (That's not to say that this is the only time I get these symptoms, though.)

But could this be a sign that I have some pre-existing yeast problem that this computer is exacerbating, or bringing to the surface? Is this computer causing some type of "die-off" reaction, or is its toxic air somehow causing the yeast to grow/multiply? Or what *could* this be about?

Thanks, as always - to you and everyone for your helpfulness. (I can be forgetful as far as thanking people when they've been particularly helpful.)

Btw, I'm always tempted to address you as "Evie" instead of "Diane" - because of your email addy/screename. :) I often type "Evie" - then catch myselfand go back to correct it! I apologize in advance if/when I slip and leave"Evie" in by mistake. :)

And, don't worry about being "late" with your replies. As you can see, I'm way worse!

~Svetaswan

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: anaphylaxis multiple
> times.  I also had osteoporosis and multiple auto-immune and other nutritional diseases.  [Of course, this is only true if youare so unlucky as to possess the genes!  But needless to say, Ihave plenty of impetus to keep me on the straight and narrow.  ;)]
>  
> Following the tj channelopathy idea a bit further down the road.... CFS/ME is thought to be channelopathy related.  It looks like CFS/ME is sometimes (for at least a subset of people) a result of ANS disorder (autonomic nervous system disorder) or adrenal dysfunction.  ANS disorder, for me, is caused directly by emfs and it worsens, as well, with gluten consumption.  Your fatigue could be ANS disorder related (especially if you later can prove a connection with falling blood pressure).  The blood sugar is also related to this, as is chills, sweats,heart palps, temp changes, etc....  There is also an adrenal/ hormonal connection…. 
>  
> As I understand it, the adrenals send serotonin signals out to communicate between the hypothalamus and autonomic nervous system, but serotonin is being “dumped�, metabolically in some people with CFS/ME.  That is to say, high serotonin metabolites are being found in the urine of some people with CFS/ME.  (I am one of those people.)  The ANS/sympathetic ns do not then work correctly for these people.  It is not understood whether this is caused by excess stress or faulty communication in the body or…  The adrenals and lymphatics also use all the same nutrients, so if one system is over worked, the other will also suffer.  I see fibromyalgia as a problem directly connected with a dysfunctional lymphatic system.  So you see, it all goes round and round.  All is connected. 
>  
> In searching channelopathy and tj research, one can see multiple ways ourvarious health problems interconnect.  Metals are not utilized and do not store correctly in people with tj channelopathy often, either.   If memory serves, this takes place due to a deficiency in metalothionienes which causes mercury/some other metal hoarding and odd other metal storage issues.  Often tj proteins are also faultyâ€"especially the claudens proteins. Faulty claudens proteins have their own dysfunctionality associated with them; for one thing, the polarity of cells become reversed.  It is complicated, but all is intertwined, like a massive health labyrinth.
>  
> Sorry to hear about your anemia woes, Sveta!  I can relate, having nearly died several times, from age 18 to 49, from anemias (perniciousand iron-deficiency).  My ferritin level was sometimes as low as 2 on the same ferritin test you mention.  Btw, I don't know ifthis will relate to you or not, but the hematologist found that my hemoglobin count was an inaccurate test for iron, for me.  Apparently, from years of anemia, my body found a new way to utilize iron--sort of like"automatic direct with-drawal" from a savings account in a bank.  When I got seriously low in ferritin iron, my hemoglobin was still often quite high, as a result.  I mention this because many docs these days use ONLY the hemoglobin count as a reliable measure.  If hemoglobin is high in relation to the actual ferritin stores, you could find yourself near death before a doctor would notice it.  [The importance of this was brought home to me last year
when I accidently I tanking bp.  If you find








     

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Hi Diane :) - thanks once again for another illuminating post. The fact that you are dealing with so much in your life right now makes me all the more thankful that you are taking the time to share such knowledge and be so helpful. You're awesome for doing so!

I appreciate your concern about me. I guess one reason for my long absence(s) has something to do with being too wiped-out and burned-out to deal with my problems. Sorry to be so morose - but it seems as though my health problems have robbed me of the resources to cope. Between my electrosensitivity problems, my devastating anxiety problems, my depression, anemia, possible/probable yeast problems, possible/probable heavy-metal-intoxication, possible/probable adrenal dysfunction, other hormonal dysfunctions (i.e. thyroid) - and Lord knows whatever else is going on - all of these issues have sucked the life out of me. I often can't summon up the energy to do anything - even the "simple" things that others take for granted. It's like I was thrown into a deep pit, and was drained of the energy to dig myself out of it.  

I find myself giving in to the temptation to escape reality sometimes - my miserable life. At this point, eSens represents reality - just another problem (much of it out of my control) that's contributing to my ongoing deterioration. It's to the point that I have to try to force myself to deal with reality and to do things - including coming to eSens and dealing with my e.s..  

You know, and I know this sounds really pitiful - I haven't really sought treatment from a doctor about my anemia. Some of the avoidance has to do with my terrible inertia - my dismal energy and motivation. Some of it is financial-related - let's just say that I'm not in the best position when it comes to money and insurance. Let's face it - getting quality healthcare -especially the kind of healthcare that people like us prefer (the type that might not always involve "mainstream", "conventional" methods) - takes $$$$$$$$. Since I'm aware that certain mainstream ways of treating anemia might actually be detrimental to me - makes me all the more reluctant to see a mainstream doc about this. When I believe in things like heavy-metal intoxication, electrical sensitivity, adrenal fatigue, etc. - it can be hard to accept treatment from doctors who don't have any type of regard for thesethings.  

For example - it seems that I've had negative reactions to iron supplementation - possibly because of heavy-metal intoxication, weak liver and/or adrenals, oxidative stress - or some combination of these things. If I go to adoctor and try to explain this to him/her - and/or the doctor tries to feed me iron pills and I try to tell him/her that I'm having a bad reaction tothe iron - I anticipate headaches revolving around, among other things, getting the doctor to take me and my "theories" seriously.

Around the time I found out about my anemia from blood tests (some of whichI self-ordered from Healthcheck USA) - I guess I had these notions of "self-treating" it. Maybe that's a pipe-dream - especially at this point. Circumstances have cruelly robbed me of the energy and the motivation to put my aspirations into action.  

Thanks for the explanation about the molds/yeast. You know, I believe I have come across at least one source that said that emfs can make molds/yeastworse - whether it be the household molds growing in your walls, or the yeast residing inside your body. Interestingly enough - my mom has mentionedrecently that she thought that the wall-bound molds in our home were having a negative effect on her. She observed feeling better when she went awayon a vacation - then coming home and feeling "bad" again. The thought hasrun through my mind that our evil WiFi might be making our house's mold worse (or that she could be unknowingly having a direct reaction to the WiFi itself) - but I have been reluctant to suggest this to her. See, my parents don't believe in this e.s. stuff and don't believe that WiFi or any otherdevice could possibly be having any real effect on me. So this has discouraged me from saying to her, "You know - perhaps the WiFi has made our moldworse, and your symptoms are a consequence of that." It would just be disregarded as another one of my silly whims. I have watched my Dad go out and buy a dehumidifier to try to suck the moisture from the walls, and I haveendured him hiring a handy neighbor to tear down/rebuild the walls in our basement to try to reduce the mold. They just wouldn't believe that getting rid of our WiFi would be helpful in dealing with the problem.

Anyway - thanks again Diane - you're a gem. :) And I hope your life's burdens let up on you.

~Svetaswan





--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

Hi Stephen,

I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work?

Thanks,

Cheryl

--- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM







 



 


   
     
     
      Hey Svetaswan,



In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods.



First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!)



So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet).



If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part!



A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust.



About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems...



Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to!



About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm.



You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree.



You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...!



Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten...



Stephen.



--- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi Stephen,

>

> Thanks for the feedback.  It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction.  But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should.  Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice).  

>

> Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me.  I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium.  In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it.  My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.)

>

> Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me.  Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet".  Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets.

>

> I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into.

>

> ~Svetaswan

>

>

>

> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Svetaswan,

> >

> > You mention dizzy and light-headed,

> >

> > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144):

> >

> > ...

> > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content.

> > ...

> >

> > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day.

> >

> > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high).

> >

> > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners).

> >

> > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies).

> >

> > greets,

> > Stephen.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration.  Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy.

> > >

> > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc..  Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia?  I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this.  A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range.  I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL.  It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.).  Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had
 "plummeted" to about 6.  (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.)  I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved.

> > >

> > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way.  Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years.  So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia.  Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury.  So the body loses what it can - the iron.).  So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).

> > >

> > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting".  At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue.  It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall.  During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance.  I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue.  My legs felt "gone".  I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros.  Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro.  It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini,
 but it didn't.  I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction.  

> > >

> > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe?  

> > >

> > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :)

> > >

> > > ~Svetaswan

> > >

> > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.

> > >

> > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi, Svetaswan,

> > > >  

> > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them the "Normals".  It makes it sound so much more Orwellian.  ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. 

> > > >  

> > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof".  I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.

> > > >  

> > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If you
 find

> > > >  theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)

> > > >  

> > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures.  With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows.  When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up.  You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often.  So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works.  I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long term exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.

> > > >  

> > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't.  It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.  Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good info here in the past year to share with others.  Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.

> > > >  

> > > > I wish you the best,

> > > > Diane

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>

> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes

> > > > To: [hidden email]

> > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Stephen,

> > > >

> > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses.

> > > >

> > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.

> > > >

> > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.)

> > > >

> > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing.

> > > >

> > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.

> > > >

> > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it, though!

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Hi Cheryl,

Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems:
-if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm.
-the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm.

Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid.

I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability?

Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5).

From Tennnant:

pH of...
below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate
6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate
7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate
> 7.5: none

A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7.

In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's
86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on:

http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html

(Click on how to stay well booklet)

So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one.  I definitely want to try coral Calcium too.

Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with.

And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance...

If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium.

In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter?  ;-)

Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these...

gr,
Stephen.




--- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@...> wrote:

That is nonsense.

It is just important to have a very low body voltage, preferably 30 mV.

If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie on a waterbed.
Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton




  ----- Original Message -----
  From: stephen_vandevijvere
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)


  Hi Cheryl,

  Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems:
  -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm.
  -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm.

  Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid.

  I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability?

  Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5).

  >From Tennnant:

  pH of...
  below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate
  6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate
  7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate
  > 7.5: none

  A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7.

  In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's
  86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on:

  http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html

  (Click on how to stay well booklet)

  So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one.  I definitely want to try coral Calcium too.

  Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with.

  And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance...

  If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium.

  In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter?  ;-)

  Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these...

  gr,
  Stephen.




  --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@...> wrote:
  >
  > Hi Stephen,
  >
  > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work?
  >
  > Thanks,
  >
  > Cheryl
  >
  > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
  >
  > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
  > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
  > To: [hidden email]
  > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM
  >
  >
  >
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  > Â
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  >    
  >      
  >      
  >       Hey Svetaswan,
  >
  >
  >
  > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods.
  >
  >
  >
  > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!)
  >
  >
  >
  > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet).
  >
  >
  >
  > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part!
  >
  >
  >
  > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust.
  >
  >
  >
  > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems...
  >
  >
  >
  > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to!
  >
  >
  >
  > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm.
  >
  >
  >
  > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree.
  >
  >
  >
  > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...!
  >
  >
  >
  > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten...
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  >
  > Stephen.
  >
  >
  >
  > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote:
  >
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  >
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  >
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  >
  > > Hi Stephen,
  >
  > >
  >
  > > Thanks for the feedback.  It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction.  But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should.  Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice).  
  >
  > >
  >
  > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me.  I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium.  In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it.  My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.)
  >
  > >
  >
  > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me.  Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet".  Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets.
  >
  > >
  >
  > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into.
  >
  > >
  >
  > > ~Svetaswan
  >
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  > >
  >
  > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
  >
  > > >
  >
  > > > Hi Svetaswan,
  >
  > > >
  >
  > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed,
  >
  > > >
  >
  > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144):
  >
  > > >
  >
  > > > ...
  >
  > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content.
  >
  > > > ...
  >
  > > >
  >
  > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day.
  >
  > > >
  >
  > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high).
  >
  > > >
  >
  > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners).
  >
  > > >
  >
  > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies).
  >
  > > >
  >
  > > > greets,
  >
  > > > Stephen.
  >
  > > >
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  >
  > > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote:
  >
  > > > >
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  > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration.  Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy.
  >
  > > > >
  >
  > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc..  Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia?  I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this.  A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range.  I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL.  It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.).  Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had
  >  "plummeted" to about 6.  (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.)  I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved.
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  > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way.  Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years.  So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia.  Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury.  So the body loses what it can - the iron.).  So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
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  > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting".  At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue.  It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall.  During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance.  I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue.  My legs felt "gone".  I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros.  Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro.  It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini,
  >  but it didn't.  I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction.  
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  > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe?  
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  > > > > ~Svetaswan
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  > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.
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  > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
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  > > > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. ;) )  But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion.Â
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  > > > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
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  > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you
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  > > > > >  theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
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  > > > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
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  > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
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  > > > > > I wish you the best,
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  > > > > > Diane
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  > > > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
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  > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
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  > > > > > To: [hidden email]
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  > > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
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  > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses.
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  > > > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
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  > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.)
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  > > > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing.
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  > > > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.
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Charles,
 
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and -

+ stands for electron stealer
- stands for electron donor

The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45:

pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV
pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV

ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)...

If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" that to between -20 mV and -25 mV...

Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit!



--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

Charles, if you say body voltage should be 30 mV you should mention + (electron stealer) or - (electron donor).

If you mean +30 mV (electron stealer), pH should be around 6.48, it's at that level that cancer occurs...

If you're saying body voltage should be around -30 mV (electron donor), which equals a pH of 7.53 you're much closer to the truth...

So difference between electron stealer (+) and electron donor (-) is important!

Electricity/EMF is never good because it's an electron stealer and always acidifying for the body...


--- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:

I understand the body voltage (when measured correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV.

Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV.
An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV

And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !!

Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which shows the elektrosmog load in the body.
Even on opposite sides of the body.

It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough for getting better from electrosensitivity.

I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of electrosensitives.
Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*.

I find it also remarkable that nobody here comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D.
It contains also a lot of useful tips.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: stephen_vandevijvere
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)


  Charles,
   
  THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and -

  + stands for electron stealer
  - stands for electron donor

  The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45:

  pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV
  pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV

  ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)...

  If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" that to between -20 mV and -25 mV...

  Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit!



  --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
  >
  > That is nonsense.
  >
  > It is just important to have a very low body voltage, preferably 30 mV.
  >
  > If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie on a waterbed.
  > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source.
  >
  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > member Verband Baubiologie
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
  > www.hetbitje.nl
  > checked by Norton
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  >
  >
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   To: [hidden email]
  >   Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM
  >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
  >
  >
  >   Hi Cheryl,
  >
  >   Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems:
  >   -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm.
  >   -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm.
  >
  >   Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid.
  >
  >   I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability?
  >
  >   Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5).
  >
  >   >From Tennnant:
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  >   pH of...
  >   below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate
  >   6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate
  >   7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate
  >   > 7.5: none
  >
  >   A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7.
  >
  >   In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's
  >   86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on:
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  >   http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html
  >
  >   (Click on how to stay well booklet)
  >
  >   So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one.  I definitely want to try coral Calcium too.
  >
  >   Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with.
  >
  >   And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance...
  >
  >   If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium.
  >
  >   In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter?  ;-)
  >
  >   Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these...
  >
  >   gr,
  >   Stephen.
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  >
  >
  >   --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote:
  >   >
  >   > Hi Stephen,
  >   >
  >   > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work?
  >   >
  >   > Thanks,
  >   >
  >   > Cheryl
  >   >
  >   > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
  >   >
  >   > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@>
  >   > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
  >   > To: [hidden email]
  >   > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM
  >   >
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  >   >       Hey Svetaswan,
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  >   > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods.
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  >   >
  >   > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!)
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  >   > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet).
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  >   > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part!
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  >   > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust.
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  >   > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems...
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  >   > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to!
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  >   > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm.
  >   >
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  >   > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree.
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  >   > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...!
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  >   > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten...
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  >   > Stephen.
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  >   > > Hi Stephen,
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  >   > > Thanks for the feedback.  It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction.  But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should.  Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice).  
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  >   > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me.  I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium.  In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it.  My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.)
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  >   > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me.  Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet".  Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets.
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  >   > > I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into.
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  >   > > ~Svetaswan
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  >   > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
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  >   > > > Hi Svetaswan,
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  >   > > > You mention dizzy and light-headed,
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  >   > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144):
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  >   > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content.
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  >   > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day.
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  >   > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high).
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  >   > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners).
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  >   > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies).
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  >   > > > greets,
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  >   > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration.  Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy.
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  >   > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc..  Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia?  I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this.  A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range.  I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL.  It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.).  Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had
  >   >  "plummeted" to about 6.  (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.)  I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved.
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  >   > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :)
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  >   > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.
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  >   > > > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you
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  >   > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
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I used a water bed for many many years when I was younger. Could that have contributed the EHS?  Loni

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From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 7:28 AM


 



I understand the body voltage (when measured correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV.

Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV.
An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV

And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !!

Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which shows the elektrosmog load in the body.
Even on opposite sides of the body.

It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough for getting better from electrosensitivity.

I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of electrosensitives.
Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*.

I find it also remarkable that nobody here comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D.
It contains also a lot of useful tips.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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From: stephen_vandevijvere
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)

Charles,

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and -

+ stands for electron stealer
- stands for electron donor

The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45:

pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV
pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV

ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)...

If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" that to between -20 mV and -25 mV...

Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit!

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Charles, I'm talking about ENTIRE BODY VOLTAGE, you're talking about sth different. If you measure 4000 mV you're not measuring entire body voltage but something else, central nervous system maybe...

If voltage is more than +400 mV (electron stealer) than the pH is 0!... I don't think you've ever met a person with a body voltage of more than +400 mV (pH of 0) or he must've been dead...



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I measure the Voltage which is present in the entire body. According to the Standard baubiologische Messtechnik, SBM2008.
I do not know how to measure Voltage of the nervous system.

And the persons I measured their high body Voltage were certainly not dead (yet).

How do you measure your body voltage?

Greetings,
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: stephen_vandevijvere
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:05 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)


  Charles, I'm talking about ENTIRE BODY VOLTAGE, you're talking about sth different. If you measure 4000 mV you're not measuring entire body voltage but something else, central nervous system maybe...

  If voltage is more than +400 mV (electron stealer) than the pH is 0!... I don't think you've ever met a person with a body voltage of more than +400 mV (pH of 0) or he must've been dead...



  --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
  >
  > I understand the body voltage (when measured correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV.
  >
  > Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV.
  > An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV
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  > And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !!
  >
  > Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which shows the elektrosmog load in the body.
  > Even on opposite sides of the body.
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  > It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough for getting better from electrosensitivity.
  >
  > I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of electrosensitives.
  > Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*.
  >
  > I find it also remarkable that nobody here comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D.
  > It contains also a lot of useful tips.
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  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > member Verband Baubiologie
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
  > www.hetbitje.nl
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  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   To: [hidden email]
  >   Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM
  >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
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  >   Charles,
  >    
  >   THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and -
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  >   + stands for electron stealer
  >   - stands for electron donor
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  >   The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45:
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  >   pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV
  >   pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV
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  >   ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)...
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  >   If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" that to between -20 mV and -25 mV...
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  >   Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit!
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  >   --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
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  >   > That is nonsense.
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  >   > It is just important to have a very low body voltage, preferably 30 mV.
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  >   > If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie on a waterbed.
  >   > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source.
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  >   > Greetings,
  >   > Charles Claessens
  >   > member Verband Baubiologie
  >   > www.milieuziektes.nl
  >   > www.milieuziektes.be
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  >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   >   To: [hidden email]
  >   >   Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM
  >   >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
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  >   >   Hi Cheryl,
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  >   >   Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems:
  >   >   -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm.
  >   >   -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm.
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  >   >   Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid.
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  >   >   I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability?
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  >   >   Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5).
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  >   >   A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7.
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  >   >   So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one.  I definitely want to try coral Calcium too.
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  >   >   Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with.
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  >   >   And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance...
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  >   >   If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium.
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  >   >   In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter?  ;-)
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  >   >   Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these...
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  >   >   gr,
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  >   >   --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote:
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  >   >   > Hi Stephen,
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  >   >   > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work?
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  >   >   > Thanks,
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  >   >   > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
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  >   >   > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!)
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  >   >   > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet).
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  >   >   > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part!
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  >   >   > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to!
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  >   >   > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm.
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  >   >   > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree.
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  >   >   > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten...
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  >   >   > > Thanks for the feedback.  It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction.  But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should.  Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice).  
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  >   >   > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me.  I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium.  In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it.  My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.)
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  >   >   > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me.  Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet".  Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets.
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  >   >   > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content.
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  >   >   > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies).
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  >   >   > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration.  Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy.
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  >   >   > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc..  Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia?  I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this.  A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range.  I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL.  It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.).  Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had
  >   >   >  "plummeted" to about 6.  (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.)  I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved.
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  >   >   > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way.  Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years.  So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia.  Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury.  So the body loses what it can - the iron.).  So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
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  >   >   > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting".  At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue.  It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall.  During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance.  I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue.  My legs felt "gone".  I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros.  Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro.  It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini,
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  >   >   > > > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.
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  >   >   > > > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc. We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
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  >   >   > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
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Charles, if you say entire body voltage of a person is more than +400 mV that's NOT possible. Or are you saying that a person can get an average pH of zero?

pH and voltage are DIRECTLY linked. Measure an apple or water with a voltmeter, if you measure -20 mV the pH will always be 7.35...

http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html

Tennant takes an average of all meridians he measures with his tool/Biomodulator, but I think you can also do that with a volt or ohmmeter. Anyway, measuring that would not be easy because you have to know the exact meridian points... Maybe Tennant will show us one day when we visit him in his clinic in Texas!

You can have a notion of your entire body voltage:

-urine in the morning after waiting for a few secs + 0.7 pH (voltage/pH of fluids around the cells)
-saliva + 0.7 pH (cellular voltage/pH)
-holding your breath, the longer you can, the more alkaline you are (less than 40 seconds is considered as too acid)

These are ROUGH indicators... Esp. the urine can be very different from your entire body voltage because it is highly influenced on what you ate the day before, alkalizing influence of Potassium in urine...

Good links on measuring pH:

http://www.jupiterionizer.com/saliva_urine_ph_testing.htm
http://www.royalrife.com/ph.html




--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

> I measure the Voltage which is present in the entire body.

There's a difference between a voltage that is present in the entire body and the average/entire body voltage...

We're just talking about two different things...



--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

I am not saying that there is a connection between body Voltage and pH.
Ime4asure body Voltage according to SBM2008.


You did not answer how you do measure your body Voltage.
What kind of meter, and how everything is aligned, and which circumstances.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: stephen_vandevijvere
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:38 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)


  Charles, if you say entire body voltage of a person is more than +400 mV that's NOT possible. Or are you saying that a person can get an average pH of zero?

  pH and voltage are DIRECTLY linked. Measure an apple or water with a voltmeter, if you measure -20 mV the pH will always be 7.35...

  http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Healing_is_Voltage.html

  Tennant takes an average of all meridians he measures with his tool/Biomodulator, but I think you can also do that with a volt or ohmmeter. Anyway, measuring that would not be easy because you have to know the exact meridian points... Maybe Tennant will show us one day when we visit him in his clinic in Texas!

  You can have a notion of your entire body voltage:

  -urine in the morning after waiting for a few secs + 0.7 pH (voltage/pH of fluids around the cells)
  -saliva + 0.7 pH (cellular voltage/pH)
  -holding your breath, the longer you can, the more alkaline you are (less than 40 seconds is considered as too acid)

  These are ROUGH indicators... Esp. the urine can be very different from your entire body voltage because it is highly influenced on what you ate the day before, alkalizing influence of Potassium in urine...

  Good links on measuring pH:

  http://www.jupiterionizer.com/saliva_urine_ph_testing.htm
  http://www.royalrife.com/ph.html




  --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
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  > I measure the Voltage which is present in the entire body. According to the Standard baubiologische Messtechnik, SBM2008.
  > I do not know how to measure Voltage of the nervous system.
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  > And the persons I measured their high body Voltage were certainly not dead (yet).
  >
  > How do you measure your body voltage?
  >
  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > member Verband Baubiologie
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
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  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   To: [hidden email]
  >   Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:05 PM
  >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
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  >   Charles, I'm talking about ENTIRE BODY VOLTAGE, you're talking about sth different. If you measure 4000 mV you're not measuring entire body voltage but something else, central nervous system maybe...
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  >   If voltage is more than +400 mV (electron stealer) than the pH is 0!... I don't think you've ever met a person with a body voltage of more than +400 mV (pH of 0) or he must've been dead...
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  >   --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
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  >   > I understand the body voltage (when measured correctly and potential-free !) should be 30 mV.
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  >   > Many people do have between 300 and 800 mV.
  >   > An electrical blanket can raise it to 4.000 mV
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  >   > And a waterbed can raise it to 50.000 or even 80.000 mV, that is 80 Volts !!
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  >   > Contemporary I am using an impulse detector, which shows the elektrosmog load in the body.
  >   > Even on opposite sides of the body.
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  >   > It is nice to live healthy, but that is not enough for getting better from electrosensitivity.
  >   >
  >   > I find it remarkable, that nobody from this list has shown any comments on my view regarding the testing of electrosensitives.
  >   > Olle Johansson stated *These are very good points*.
  >   >
  >   > I find it also remarkable that nobody here comments on the free book by H. Stiekema M.D.
  >   > It contains also a lot of useful tips.
  >   >
  >   >
  >   > Greetings,
  >   > Charles Claessens
  >   > member Verband Baubiologie
  >   > www.milieuziektes.nl
  >   > www.milieuziektes.be
  >   > www.hetbitje.nl
  >   > checked by Norton
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  >   >
  >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   >   To: [hidden email]
  >   >   Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:53 PM
  >   >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
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  >   >   Charles,
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  >   >   THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN + and -
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  >   >   + stands for electron stealer
  >   >   - stands for electron donor
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  >   >   The body works at a pH of 7.35-7.45:
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  >   >   pH of 7.35 equals (always) with -20 mV
  >   >   pH of 7.45 equals (always) with -25 mV
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  >   >   ELECTRICITY IS AN ELECTRON STEALER (+). So if you have a perfect body voltage of -22 mV and you're exposed to a lot of EMF, the impact of the EMF could make your body voltage for instance to -15 mV or -10 mV (more acid)...
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  >   >   If Tennant (or me in message) says "raise body voltage" he means for instance right now you have +5 mV (pH of 6.91) or -5 mV (ph of 7.09) and you should "raise" that to between -20 mV and -25 mV...
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  >   >   Because of the minus/plus-sign, the expression "raising body voltage" is very confusing I admit!
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  >   >   --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
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  >   >   > That is nonsense.
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  >   >   > It is just important to have a very low body voltage, preferably 30 mV.
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  >   >   > If you want to raise the body voltage, just lie on a waterbed.
  >   >   > Or be exposed to an elektrosmog source.
  >   >   >
  >   >   > Greetings,
  >   >   > Charles Claessens
  >   >   > member Verband Baubiologie
  >   >   > www.milieuziektes.nl
  >   >   > www.milieuziektes.be
  >   >   > www.hetbitje.nl
  >   >   > checked by Norton
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  >   >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   >   From: stephen_vandevijvere
  >   >   >   To: [hidden email]
  >   >   >   Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:01 PM
  >   >   >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
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  >   >   >   Hi Cheryl,
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  >   >   >   Regards Calcium, well it seems important if you have tj permeability, although that's probably hard to diagnose. Tj permeability is a new field of research and they don't know much yet but it seems:
  >   >   >   -if you're gluten intolerant (most of us are without knowing so?) you definitely have tj perm.
  >   >   >   -the higher the toxicity the more likely it is you have tj perm.
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  >   >   >   Recently I read in Dr Jerry Tennant's book that he recommends almost everybody to take Calcium supplements. But definitely those that have a very low body voltage = too acid.
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  >   >   >   I don't know if there's a link between the two, namely if you're too acid (low body voltage) does that mean you have more tj permeability?
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  >   >   >   Diane got much better with Calcium AEP together with pantethine (Vit B5).
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  >   >   >   >From Tennnant:
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  >   >   >   pH of...
  >   >   >   below 6.0: 7700 mg coral Ca or 1540 mg Ca carbonate
  >   >   >   6.0-6.5: 5500 mg coral Ca or 1100 mg Ca carbonate
  >   >   >   7.0-7.5: 3300 mg coral Ca or 660 mg Ca carbonate
  >   >   >   > 7.5: none
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  >   >   >   A salivary pH of 6.5 suggests a cellular pH of 7.2. Thus one has to adjust the cellular pH numbers by about 0.7.
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  >   >   >   In Tennant's pdf this is explained on page 15. Tennant's
  >   >   >   86-pages-you-definitely-must-go-and-get-for-free-pdf is downloadable on:
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  >   >   >   http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Patient_Forms.html
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  >   >   >   (Click on how to stay well booklet)
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  >   >   >   So Tennant advises coral or carbonate Calcium. Well so far I have only tried Calcium citrate, Calcium AEP and an organic herb/plant-source of Calcium. I seem to do best with the organic one.  I definitely want to try coral Calcium too.
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  >   >   >   Regards dosages, well I don't take too much because I just have to be careful with everything! And if you're out of balance I don't know if it's good to suddenly take a lot of one mineral... I only take like 1/3 daily dosage RDA of Calcium. According to Tennant I should take a lot more... I think it's best to test how much Calcium you feel good or better with.
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  >   >   >   And make sure you also take Magnesium (otherwise it doesn't matter how much Calcium you take). Most say (although this is also highly debated!) that you shouldn't take Calcium and Magnesium at the same time, so better Calcium in the morning and Magnesium in the evening for instance...
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  >   >   >   If you're taking Vit. C you need more Calcium.
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  >   >   >   In the end there are like 90 minerals we need and a lot of Vitamins, Enzymes, fats... So it's a complicated matter?  ;-)
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  >   >   >   Probably Sodium, Calcium, Potassium and Magnesium are the most important minerals, if these are low it seems like we first have to focus on these...
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  >   >   >   gr,
  >   >   >   Stephen.
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  >   >   >   --- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@> wrote:
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  >   >   >   > Hi Stephen,
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  >   >   >   > I was just reviewing this older post and read that calcium helped you. How much do you have to take for it to have a positive effect for you? Do you have to combine any other supplement with it in order for it to work?
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  >   >   >   > Thanks,
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  >   >   >   > Cheryl
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  >   >   >   > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
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  >   >   >   > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@>
  >   >   >   > Subject: [eSens] Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)
  >   >   >   > To: [hidden email]
  >   >   >   > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:34 PM
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  >   >   >   >       Hey Svetaswan,
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  >   >   >   > In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods.
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  >   >   >   > First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!)
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  >   >   >   > So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet).
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  >   >   >   > If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part!
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  >   >   >   > A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your body needs time to adjust.
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  >   >   >   > About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems...
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  >   >   >   > Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to!
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  >   >   >   > About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also said she wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm.
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  >   >   >   > You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way to check whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better, do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree.
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  >   >   >   > You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you should check your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...!
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  >   >   >   > Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten...
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  >   >   >   > > Thanks for the feedback.  It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction.  But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should.  Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice).  
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  >   >   >   > > Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me.  I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium.  In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it.  My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.)
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  >   >   >   > > Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me.  Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet".  Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets.
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  >   >   >   > > > Hi Svetaswan,
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  >   >   >   > > > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144):
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  >   >   >   > > > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content.
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  >   >   >   > > > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day.
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  >   >   >   > > > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high).
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  >   >   >   > > > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners).
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  >   >   >   > > > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies).
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  >   >   >   > > > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration.  Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy.
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  >   >   >   > > > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc..  Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia?  I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this.  A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range.  I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL.  It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.).  Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had
  >   >   >   >  "plummeted" to about 6.  (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.)  I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved.
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  >   >   >   > > > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way.  Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years.  So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia.  Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury.  So the body loses what it can - the iron.).  So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
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  >   >   >   > > > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting".  At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue.  It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall.  During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance.  I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue.  My legs felt "gone".  I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros.  Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro.  It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini,
  >   >   >   >  but it didn't.  I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction.  
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  >   >   >   > > > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe?  
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  >   >   >   > > > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :)
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  >   >   >   > > > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses.
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  >   >   >   > > > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.)
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