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stephen_vandevijvere
Sorry I just couldn't imagine you with a screwdriver in the hand! Me and myprejudices... ;-)

You know you're full of special stories! Told you to write a book already!

Anyway I'm definitely gonna ask to remove the wifi-thingie on my Macbook Pro I bought 2 years ago and never used since then! Actually this is already on my to-try-list since you wrote that message a month ago...

It could be that I'm reacting badly to the wifi-hardware as I seem to be okey with desktops and not with recent laptops...

Stephen.


--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

>
> LOL  Stephen,
>  
> NOOOO!  I had access to Dell techs who worked on emf remediation by phone for an entire month!  lol  I had 7different techies, if memory serves.  (They each had this as a designation of expertise and when I called in to request help, I was asked what I needed help on--I said I reacted to emfs from the computer.  I was then transferred to one of these emf remediation techs.  Their expertise was self-conferred. These techies studied emf remediation on their own because they wanted to work in this area (the more areas they could use as fields of expertise, the higher their pay/perks), and so they basically were considered "experts" in this area, as well as regular fields of expertise which they had studied and had certifications for.)  I had 2 hardware techs (only 1 of those was an emf expert)--they talked me thru removing cards and changing settings--some changes were in the bios, others in control panel.  Then the rest of the techs were
> software techs; they often helped me remotely by taking control of my computer themselves (using "remote assistant").  There were 5 of them--it depended on the time of day I called, as to who I got.  Also, they sometimes transferred me between themselves, as some had different areas of training.
>  
> This was all free, as part of the warranty package at the time:  30 days free software support; 1 year free hardware support.  But none ofit was in-home;  all was by phone.
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Mon, 5/10/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop (SSD drives - worth the cost for emf-reduction?)
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 4:31 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Diane, this is all very interesting!
>
> Not completely clear for me though, are you saying that Dell sent 2 of their ICT-guys to help you for ONE ENTIRE MONTH in your own house on your Dell-pc?! And who paid for that? Dell or you?
>
> Stephen.
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Stephen, Svetaswan, and All,
> >  
> > When I mentioned the necessity of removing the wifi (and Broadband!) cards from my computer, I was quoting Dell technicians,who I assume are more educated in such matters than most of us.  I was told specifically, that these cards are like "antennae".  And such, turning them on merely makes them "connect" to a "receiver" in your hardware portion of your computer.  Infact, tho, the connection when broken is only a wire's width apart, and, besides that, the emfs are still attracted to the "antenna" itself--the actual card.  The cards are just not hooked up to the "receiver"when you have the hardware switched off, or, in some cases, the card is laying flat instead of in an upright position and it is only the direction ofthe card which is changed.  (This would mean fewer emfs, because the direction of the antenna would then be different.)   
> >  
> > Will there be a noticeable difference if you leave the card in, but just disable it?  Yes, I saw a great difference from doing only this.  However, I saw a greater difference from pulling the cards out entirely.  I kept one in for awhile--the broadband card; I could not tolerate the wifi one at all.  If I made sure the closest broadband tower (cell tower) was behind my computer and not behind me, I was relatively tolerant of it.  However, if I was in a place where it was necessary to use my computer with ME between the computer and the cell tower, it was extremely bothersome.
> >  
> > And, btw, Svetaswan, you mentioned not having a switch to turn off your wifi and broadband cards.  Sveta, you may not have an external switch, but every computer has an internal switch in the control panel under "hardware devices".  On my computer, you access it by clicking "ControlPanel", then "System", then when that pops up, click the tab which says "Hardware", then on that page "Device Manager", that will bring upa long list of devices.  I then disabled my modems, network adaptors, and, anything pertaining to broadband and wifi.  Now understand, depending on how your computer is receiving internet currently, doing this on YOUR system might not work.  However, if you are receiving internet via an external modem box and ethernet cable (as I do), you will still be able to receive internet signals with these devices disabled.
> >  
> > Regarding computers in general and Dells, specifically. ... I am amazed at the number of people here who buy computers and Dell computers, specifically, and NEVER call their technical departments for ES help!  Toshiba was no help when I called them for ES help.  But the Dell techs took me completely seriously, hada good general knowledge of how to help me, WERE CONCERNED ABOUT MY WELL BEING, and were greatly helpful.  So, don't trash Dellabout its emfs.  Dell does not know how many people their computers are negatively affecting unless you call them for help. 
> >  
> > Yes, today and for you, they may not solve 100% of the problems; however, we worked on my computer for a full month--up to 5+ hours a day!  (I talked on the phone to them from another room while they did some things remotely, and then for minutes at a time, I'd have to go into the room my computer was in and enter settings/check thingsout/etc myself.  The first week I did not spend more than an hour and a half each day working on my computer with them, because  everything we did was hardware related (and I had to make all the changes myself).  The techies could actually tell when I was becoming too affected and needed to quit, and would ask me if I shouldn't stop awhile or if I thought I could go on.  The last two techies I spoke with were upset and concerned for me that I would need help (and whether I'd be able to get it) after my 30 day software warranty expired if I had later issues.  Btw, I took the
> broadband card out with hardware
> > technical help 10 months after receiving my computer, because I had a year's warranty on my computer hardware, and I didn't want to void my warranty by removing it right away.  (Back then, they didn't require the wifi card, but did require the broadband card stay in for warranty purposes.  I imagine that now they would require the wifi card stay in for warranty purposes, too, due to its prevalence of use.)
> >  
> > Diane
> >
> > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop (SSD drives - worth the cost for emf-reduction? )
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 11:19 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Concerning: you should remove the wifi hardware from your pc, the scoreis 2-1!
> >
> > Diane and Snoshoe say you should
> > Bill says you shouldn't
> >
> > About the disavantage that a desktop can't work on batteries... Well maybe that's not so important because you can put your desktop some feet awayfrom where you work and from some distance most es-ers won't feel the low freq. emf...
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@ ..> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, that's welcome news that simply turning the WiFi off seems sufficient. I was primarily reacting (or overreacting? ) not to your information, but to Stephen's post regarding the necessity of removing the WiFi from the computer. My struggle with the effects of e.s. has made me kind-of an obsessive worrywart when it comes to finding the "right" computer-setup. I guess that's what can happen when there is seemingly no computer without potential "flaws". I'm constantly trying to weigh the pros and cons - the lesser of the evils. Which "imperfections" could I live with, and which ones would give me problems? And I have to balance "alleviating" my e.s. problems with other concerns (economic, ergonomic).
> > >
> > > At this point, I know some type of compromise is going to have to be made somewhere. Take for example switching power supplies...unless you get a laptop and run them off of batteries all of the time, I don't think thereis any way to avoid a switching power supply in a computer. One could try to replace the switching power supply with a linear one - but I have nowhere near the technical expertise to do this, plus I wouldn't want to do anything to void the warranty of my computer. And since I have "real world" evidence that some type of desktop computer could actually work better for me than a laptop - there is the unavoidable reality that I could have to use a switching power supply.
> > >
> > > Speaking of switching power supplies - do you use the switching powersupply that comes with the Mac Mini? If so, do you find it problematic?
> > >
> > > ~Svetaswan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was trying to say that as far as I know, turning it off
> > > > is sufficient, except that in my experience it will mysteriously turn itself
> > > > on again a few times per year. Someone had asked about
> > > > removing it, which I have done on the laptop just because it
> > > > was easy.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 5:30 PM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You mean that I would have to go through the extra trouble of actually
> > > > > removing the WiFi hardware? What a pain! Actually, I thought thatI wanted
> > > > > the "security" of my computer being at least WiFi enabled, even if I don't
> > > > > plan to use it. Although my house has one ethernet connection - it's never
> > > > > been used/tested, and our WiFi has generally proven to be reliable. I wanted
> > > > > to have WiFi as a "backup" - at least until I work out any possible "kinks"
> > > > > in my ethernet connection and I'm confident that the ethernet connection
> > > > > will be solid.
> > > > >
> > > > > And Apple seems to make disabling WiFi/bluetooth so easy and user-friendly.
> > > > > When I tried to search for the WiFi-disabling function on my brother's
> > > > > laptop (Windows 7), I couldn't find it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why would a device that is turned *off* still emit radiation? Areyou sure
> > > > > that it's enough radiation to be significant?
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>,
> > > > > "stephen_vandevijve re" <stephen_vandevijve re@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About the Mac Mini,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi
> > > > > receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently
> > > > > also on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough
> > > > > to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So youshould
> > > > > actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can do that
> > > > > in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stephen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers
> > > > > (or
> > > > > > > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding in this
> > > > > case
> > > > > > > with a HD.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > > > > > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of
> > > > > disk
> > > > > > > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers
> > > > > produce
> > > > > > > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably
> > > > > more (I
> > > > > > > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to
> > > > > last at
> > > > > > > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides the
> > > > > cost) -
> > > > > > > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknownof how
> > > > > SSDs
> > > > > > > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > > > > > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the only two
> > > > > words that
> > > > > > > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option fortheir Mac
> > > > > Minis
> > > > > > > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > > > > > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the option of
> > > > > attaching a
> > > > > > > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/
> > > > > USB
> > > > > > > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the
> > > > > computer.
> > > > > > > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you optfor the
> > > > > > > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of aMac Mini
> > > > > > > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be if
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put
> > > > > a SSD
> > > > > > > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com> <eSens%
> > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > > > > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > > > > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > > > > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > > > > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > > > > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > > > > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > > > > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > > > > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > > > > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > > > > > > disabled.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > > > > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > > > > > > contribute to
> > > > > > > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with
> > > > > energy-draining
> > > > > > > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a
> > > > > nightmare
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of
> > > > > people
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic website
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > one)
> > > > > > > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) -
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional
> > > > > hard-disk
> > > > > > > > drives.
> > > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is
> > > > > there a
> > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > 500GB
> > > > > > > > > > SSD?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra
> > > > > $650 for
> > > > > > > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > prices
> > > > > > > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs
> > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased
> > > > > battery
> > > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's
> > > > > near-silence
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up"
> > > > > such
> > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead to
> > > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > > > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > > > > to this "electrosmog" ? Are hard drives constantly spinning as
> > > > > long as
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > > aren't
> > > > > > > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > > > > > > wireless
> > > > > > > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each
> > > > > computer
> > > > > > > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion
> > > > > of SSDs
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that peoplehaven't
> > > > > found
> > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the
> > > > > > > > technology is
> > > > > > > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > > > > > > > >
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Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes

Svetaswan-2
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Hi Stephen,

Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technologythat is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses.

I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.

But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He stillseems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.)

So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangersof this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing.

As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off theWiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.

As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites...nothing. It still doesn't meanthat we shouldn't get rid of it, though!

~Svetaswan

--- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:

>
> Svetaswan,
>
> I think all es-ers have trouble explaining their sensitivity...
>
> Your parents seem like very normal people to me! Really, almost all people react like that, especially people that haven't personally experienced that food/emf has an impact on their health...
>
> In 2004 I moved out of my house in the city, I never felt good there for some reason: it could've been the police station closeby (radar) or the fact that I had painted the entire house on the inside (with standard paint).
>
> In 2005-2008 I lived with my parents. In 2006 I read wifi/dect was not healthy. Since then each night I unplugged the wifi and the dect... My motheralso thought I was exaggerating!
>
> Maybe that's a partial solution for you, unplug the wifi at night... At night it's even more important that you're in a low emf area...
>
> You know it took me almost 5 years to convince my parents not using theirdect/wifi anymore! In the past 5 years there was also more on emf in the media, which may have helped persuade them that I wasn't imagining everything...
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Stephen - like I've said before, if it were up to me, I would have rid the house of WiFi long ago. But I'm not in control of many household decisions, since I live with my parents. So far, I've had terrible luck in convincing my parents that WiFi is dangerous and has given me some alarming symptoms. They think it's all in my head - a figment of paranoia. This "impasse" has only added to my stress and to the various health problems I'm dealing with.
> >
> > This situation is emblematic of how life can, well, suck. Supposedly, e.s. can be related to having mercury-amalgam fillings - to "amalgam illness". Well, even prior to my realization that I was e.s. - there were signs that I've paid a steep price, healthwise, for all of the amalgam fillings that were placed into my mouth (not to mention the 2-plus years of regular allergy shots I had as a young teen - which exposed me to more mercury). Obviously, I was just a kid - utterly powerless to make any type of informed decision on the risks of mercury-amalgam fillings and thimerosol(sp.)-containing shots. The adults in my life - namely, my mother - made those decisions for me. Being a kid, I was really not equipped to do anything but passively comply with the medical/dental decisions that were made. I implicitly trusted that my mother was making a safe, informed choice - and that no harm would come to me for sitting in a dentist's chair.  
> >
> > Evidently, I was victimized by my mother's poor choices and by the "system". And it's like I'm being victimized all over again by my mother's dismissive attitude regarding what the mercury that *she* decided to expose meto has done, and by her refusal to believe me and help me alleviate the symptoms that have possibly been caused by the mercury that *she* allowed to enter my body. I would be more "forgiving" of my mother's ill-fated choices if she were more willing to take seriously the strong possibility that mercury-"poisoning" has contributed to my problems - but she's tormenting me with her dismissive accusations that I'm "crazy" for thinking that mercury-damage & electrosensitivity are real.
> >
> > Aside from our mercury/WiFi battles - I'm living with two parents who just don't share my values/beliefs on health-matters. For ex., my mother sees no value in getting shower filters (chronic, long-term exposure to chlorinated water is not a problem to her). When I wanted a shower filter for the bathroom I use, she wouldn't allow me to buy one. And my parents don't take other health precautions; i.e. fried commercial corn chips are a prominent part of their snacking choices, my mother uses margarine on her toast every day, they choose to quench their thirst with diet sodas all of the time (my mom never drinks any water, it seems). Although my Dad is in his '60s - he evidently sees no problem with snacking on bags of cheap candy - *pure sugar*. There are just many things wrong with that.
> >
> > They just aren't as careful about what they eat as I try to be (emphasis on "try" - frequently, I fall far short of my ideals!). So if they don'treally care about the health-related things that even mainstream medicine warns us about - I guess it's pretty hopeless that they would care about things that the mainstream doesn't (yet) acknowledge as a problem.  
> >
> > And it seems that my mom is far more interested in making cosmetic renovations to our house - things you can *see* - than she is in making certain"invisible", health-related improvements to our house. She considers it much more worth her while to buy a new painting, or new furniture - than buying a quality water filter, or getting rid of WiFi, or working on improvingour home's air-quality, or filtering "dirty electricity".  
> >
> > Sorry for the rant. And it's bad timing - it being Mother's Day and all. It can just be tremendously frustrating to be powerless in having to live under someone else's less-conscious health-values - and to know that something is doing you harm, but be powerless in doing something about it.
> >
> > I know it's baffling to group members that a fellow member of this group has WiFi in their home - the assumption being that it's a choice that's fully under my control. Well, sadly, it is a matter that is out of my control.
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >    
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Svetaswan,
> > >
> > > Concerning wifi in your house, you know it emits a lot of emf… Evenif you don't "feel" it, you would better get rid of it asap (together withdect phone if you have one).
> > >
> > > Regards removing the Wifi-hardware in your pc, Diane and Snoshoe say you should. I'm copy pasting from their messages:
> > >
> > >
> > > -Snoshoe wrote:
> > >
> > > I just learned something about a week ago though.- Laptops with wifi,when you
> > > turn them off are not really off, and still transmitting for ?length of time.
> > > It was being talked about as a way for thieves to detect laptops in cars with
> > > some gadget, by picking up it's emitting for wifi.
> > >
> > > A bit like your cell phone is off, but it's not really all the way off.
> > > Cell phone you could put in a lead shielded bag made for film, and itwon't
> > > receive, when not in use.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Diane wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Snoshoe,
> > > Â
> > > That was why Dell techs helped me remove the cards (wifi and broadband) from my
> > > computer altogether. They told me the cards cannot be totally turned off.Â
> > > The switches that computers have to turn them off only dampen the signal.Â
> > > Otherwise they are always capable of receiving signals.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You mean that I would have to go through the extra trouble of actually removing the WiFi hardware? What a pain! Actually, I thought that I wanted the "security" of my computer being at least WiFi enabled, even if I don't plan to use it. Although my house has one ethernet connection - it'snever been used/tested, and our WiFi has generally proven to be reliable. I wanted to have WiFi as a "backup" - at least until I work out any possible "kinks" in my ethernet connection and I'm confident that the ethernet connection will be solid.  
> > > >
> > > > And Apple seems to make disabling WiFi/bluetooth so easy and user-friendly. When I tried to search for the WiFi-disabling function on my brother's laptop (Windows 7), I couldn't find it.
> > > >
> > > > Why would a device that is turned *off* still emit radiation? Are you sure that it's enough radiation to be significant?
> > > >
> > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > About the Mac Mini,
> > > > >
> > > > > On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently also on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
> > > > >
> > > > > A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So you should actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can do that in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers (or
> > > > > > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding in this case
> > > > > > with a HD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > > > > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of disk
> > > > > > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers produce
> > > > > > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably more (I
> > > > > > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to last at
> > > > > > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides the cost) -
> > > > > > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how SSDs
> > > > > > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > > > > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the onlytwo words that
> > > > > > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for their Mac Minis
> > > > > > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > > > > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the optionof attaching a
> > > > > > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/ USB
> > > > > > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the computer.
> > > > > > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I don't
> > > > > > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt for the
> > > > > > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a Mac Mini
> > > > > > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be if I
> > > > > > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put a SSD
> > > > > > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > > > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > > > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > > > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > > > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > > > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > > > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > > > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > > > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > > > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > > > > > disabled.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > > > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > > > > > contribute to
> > > > > > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with energy-draining
> > > > > > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a nightmare
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of people
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologicwebsite for
> > > > > > > one)
> > > > > > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) - because
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional hard-disk
> > > > > > > drives.
> > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is there a
> > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and a
> > > > > > > 500GB
> > > > > > > > > SSD?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but theprices for
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra $650 for
> > > > > > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For the
> > > > > > > prices
> > > > > > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs and
> > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs give
> > > > > > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased battery
> > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep the
> > > > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple'snear-silence
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up" such
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives wouldlead to a big
> > > > > > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components that
> > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > > > to this "electrosmog"? Are hard drives constantly spinning as long as
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when they
> > > > > > > aren't
> > > > > > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > > > > > wireless
> > > > > > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice ifeach computer
> > > > > > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute to
> > > > > > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion of SSDs
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven't found
> > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply becausethe
> > > > > > > technology is
> > > > > > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi cards (and Dell)

Svetaswan-2
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Hi Diane,

Yep, Dell technians certainly know more than I will probably ever know - there's no denying that. And, I guess if I want to ensure the best possible chance of a computer working for me - I need to follow *all* precautions and see about getting the WiFi card of any device I buy removed (assuming that all WiFi cards work like Dell's). It's just that it's an extra hassle for a struggling, low-energy person such as myself...but then again, from theway you explained how these cards work (even when not turned on), the extra hassle and effort may be worth it - big time. OTOH, removing the WiFi card would be removing a "security blanket" and a "fall-back option" - as I indicated in an earlier post. I've never tested my ethernet connection - sogetting someone to remove the WiFi before I test the ethernet would be a leap into the great unknown.

I suppose I was in the right ballpark when I was trying to locate the software options in order turn off the WiFi on my brother's laptop - for some reason, I just couldn't quite locate the options (maybe I didn't quite know what to look for). I know it has to be accessible somewhere in the software, though.

When you say "broadband" card - is that the same hardware device as "bluetooth"? Sorry - I guess I'm still pretty unfamiliar with the hardware components (and the terminology for them) - and what exactly a broadband card does. If I, for example, buy an Apple computer - would removing the "bluetooth" hardware be the equivalent of removing "broadband"?  

I guess when one has been so harmed by a particular brand of computer - it might be a natural response to write that company off, so to speak - and avoid buying any more of their products. Some of this reaction is based on anger - some of which I've directed toward the company whose product has played a hand in harming me. I mean, I never saw this coming - I was basically blindsided with e.m.f. damage that I didn't even know was possible. If Ihad been aware of just how harmful that using this laptop could be - maybeI would have taken more precautions (or tried to search for something "safer"). But Dell (like most other companies, I suppose) - is pretty mum on the topic. I don't see anywhere in their user manual the phrase "You can suffer skin damage from prolonged use of this product" (you should see my hands...I've mentioned the accelerated aging of my hands/face before). Nowhere in their literature is the warning that prolonged use could lead to disturbed sleep - or an exacerbation of anxiety symptoms - not to mention the host of other symptoms I've experienced.  

So yes, I guess I've "trashed" Dell in my mind some - since the company was/is in a much better position that I am to know about the emissions coming from their products, and their potential for harm. But I suppose Dell isn't unique - other companies are pretty silent or are in denial as well. Butlately, I've opened my mind to Dell again - someone in my position cannot afford to close the door on a company if they offer a product that might work. I see that their "Optiplex" desktops are the first to be awarded the latest, strictest TCO certification.

And no, I've never tried to call Dell about this computer. But much of this reluctance may be because of this computer's age, and my lack of ownership. My Dad brought this computer home from work a couple of years ago - where it had been in use for at least a few years, I'm assuming. (This is a 2003/2004 model laptop.) So I don't think this computer is under any warranty. It's not like I bought this computer myself any time recently, and have failed to take advantage of its warranty.

My Dell laptop uses a USB wireless adapter - instead of its internal wireless card. How do external wireless adapters rate - as far as transmitting harmful emf to the computer? Would a USB wireless adapter that is plugged into the back of a laptop be bad, emf-wise?  

For a long time, I thought that there was no internal wireless card in thislaptop - but I've just recently learned that there *may* still be an internal wireless card inside of this laptop. My Dad says that, at his job, theDell laptops didn't need an external USB wireless adapter....they picked up the internet via their internal wireless cards. He can't say with 100% certainty that *this* laptop operated on its own internal wireless card - but it's highly probable that it did. What may have happened is that, when aComcast technician came to install our wireless Internet a couple of yearsago - the technician disabled the wireless card...either for profit motive(he sold us a nice SMC wireless adapter), or because of technical reasons.I've tried looking for the internal wireless card through the software (i.e. "Device Manager") - but I'm not sure if I've seen it listed anywhere.

So there *could* be an Internal wireless card (disabled or not) "hidden" inside of this laptop, in addition to the external USB wireless adapter. Could you (or anyone) tell me how to determine for sure if there is a wirelesscard in this Dell?

Finally, what type of Dell computer do you have? Is it one of their "business" models? There might be advantages to buying a business model (if "civilians" are allowed to purchase a business model) - because it seems that I've heard that customer service for their business-line computers is much better than it is for their "home use" products.

~Svetaswan

 

 

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

>
> Hi, Stephen, Svetaswan, and All,
>  
> When I mentioned the necessity of removing the wifi (and Broadband!)cards from my computer, I was quoting Dell technicians, who I assume are more educated in such matters than most of us.  I was told specifically, that these cards are like "antennae".  And such, turning them on merely makes them "connect" to a "receiver" in your hardware portion of your computer.  Infact, tho, the connection when broken is only a wire's width apart, and, besides that, the emfs are still attracted to the "antenna" itself--the actual card.  The cards are just not hookedup to the "receiver" when you have the hardware switched off, or, in some cases, the card is laying flat instead of in an upright position and it is only the direction of the card which is changed.  (This would mean fewer emfs, because the direction of the antenna would then be different.)   
>  
> Will there be a noticeable difference if you leave the card in, but just disable it?  Yes, I saw a great difference from doing only this. However, I saw a greater difference from pulling the cards out entirely.  I kept one in for awhile--the broadband card; I could not tolerate the wifi one at all.  If I made sure the closest broadband tower (cell tower) was behind my computer and not behind me, I was relatively tolerant of it.  However, if I was in a place where it was necessary to use my computer with ME between the computer and the cell tower, it was extremely bothersome.
>  
> And, btw, Svetaswan, you mentioned not having a switch to turn off your wifi and broadband cards.  Sveta, you may not have an external switch, but every computer has an internal switch in the control panel under "hardware devices".  On my computer, you access it by clicking "Control Panel", then "System", then when that pops up, click the tab which says "Hardware", then on that page "Device Manager",that will bring up a long list of devices.  I then disabled my modems, network adaptors, and, anything pertaining to broadband and wifi.  Now understand, depending on how your computer is receiving internet currently, doing this on YOUR system might not work.  However, if you are receiving internet via an external modem box and ethernet cable (as I do), you will still be able to receive internet signals with these devices disabled.
>  
> Regarding computers in general and Dells, specifically.... I am amazed at the number of people here who buy computers and Dell computers, specifically, and NEVER call their technical departments for ES help!  Toshiba was no help when I called them for ES help.  But the Dell techs took me completely seriously, had a good general knowledge of how to help me, WERE CONCERNED ABOUT MY WELL BEING, and were greatly helpful.  So, don't trash Dell about its emfs.  Dell does not know how many people their computers are negatively affecting unless you call them for help. 
>  
> Yes, today and for you, they may not solve 100% of the problems; however,we worked on my computer for a full month--up to 5+ hours a day!  (I talked on the phone to them from another room while they did somethings remotely, and then for minutes at a time, I'd have to go into the room my computer was in and enter settings/check things out/etc myself.  The first week I did not spend more than an hour and a half each day working on my computer with them, because everything we did was hardware related (and I had to make all the changes myself).  The techies could actually tell when I was becoming too affected and neededto quit, and would ask me if I shouldn't stop awhile or if I thought I could go on.  The last two techies I spoke with were upset and concerned for me that I would need help (and whether I'd be able to get it) after my 30 day software warranty expired if I had later issues.  Btw, I took the broadband card out with hardware
> technical help 10 months after receiving my computer, because I had a year's warranty on my computer hardware, and I didn't want to void my warranty by removing it right away.  (Back then, they didn't require thewifi card, but did require the broadband card stay in for warranty purposes.  I imagine that now they would require the wifi card stay in for warranty purposes, too, due to its prevalence of use.)
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Mon, 5/10/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop (SSD drives - worth the cost for emf-reduction?)
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 11:19 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Concerning: you should remove the wifi hardware from your pc, the score is 2-1!
>
> Diane and Snoshoe say you should
> Bill says you shouldn't
>
> About the disavantage that a desktop can't work on batteries... Well maybe that's not so important because you can put your desktop some feet away from where you work and from some distance most es-ers won't feel the low freq. emf...
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@ ..> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, that's welcome news that simply turning the WiFi off seems sufficient. I was primarily reacting (or overreacting? ) not to your information,but to Stephen's post regarding the necessity of removing the WiFi from the computer. My struggle with the effects of e.s. has made me kind-of an obsessive worrywart when it comes to finding the "right" computer-setup. I guess that's what can happen when there is seemingly no computer without potential "flaws". I'm constantly trying to weigh the pros and cons - the lesserof the evils. Which "imperfections" could I live with, and which ones would give me problems? And I have to balance "alleviating" my e.s. problems with other concerns (economic, ergonomic).
> >
> > At this point, I know some type of compromise is going to have to be made somewhere. Take for example switching power supplies...unless you get a laptop and run them off of batteries all of the time, I don't think there is any way to avoid a switching power supply in a computer. One could try toreplace the switching power supply with a linear one - but I have nowhere near the technical expertise to do this, plus I wouldn't want to do anything to void the warranty of my computer. And since I have "real world" evidence that some type of desktop computer could actually work better for me than a laptop - there is the unavoidable reality that I could have to use a switching power supply.
> >
> > Speaking of switching power supplies - do you use the switching power supply that comes with the Mac Mini? If so, do you find it problematic?
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was trying to say that as far as I know, turning it off
> > > is sufficient, except that in my experience it will mysteriously turnitself
> > > on again a few times per year. Someone had asked about
> > > removing it, which I have done on the laptop just because it
> > > was easy.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 5:30 PM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You mean that I would have to go through the extra trouble of actually
> > > > removing the WiFi hardware? What a pain! Actually, I thought that Iwanted
> > > > the "security" of my computer being at least WiFi enabled, even if I don't
> > > > plan to use it. Although my house has one ethernet connection - it's never
> > > > been used/tested, and our WiFi has generally proven to be reliable.I wanted
> > > > to have WiFi as a "backup" - at least until I work out any possible"kinks"
> > > > in my ethernet connection and I'm confident that the ethernet connection
> > > > will be solid.
> > > >
> > > > And Apple seems to make disabling WiFi/bluetooth so easy and user-friendly.
> > > > When I tried to search for the WiFi-disabling function on my brother's
> > > > laptop (Windows 7), I couldn't find it.
> > > >
> > > > Why would a device that is turned *off* still emit radiation? Are you sure
> > > > that it's enough radiation to be significant?
> > > >
> > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > >
> > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>,
> > > > "stephen_vandevijve re" <stephen_vandevijve re@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > About the Mac Mini,
> > > > >
> > > > > On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi
> > > > receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently
> > > > also on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
> > > > >
> > > > > A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough
> > > > to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So you should
> > > > actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can do that
> > > > in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers
> > > > (or
> > > > > > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding in this
> > > > case
> > > > > > with a HD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > > > > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of
> > > > disk
> > > > > > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers
> > > > produce
> > > > > > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably
> > > > more (I
> > > > > > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to
> > > > last at
> > > > > > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides the
> > > > cost) -
> > > > > > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how
> > > > SSDs
> > > > > > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > > > > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the onlytwo
> > > > words that
> > > > > > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for their Mac
> > > > Minis
> > > > > > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > > > > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the optionof
> > > > attaching a
> > > > > > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/
> > > > USB
> > > > > > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the
> > > > computer.
> > > > > > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I
> > > > don't
> > > > > > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt for the
> > > > > > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a Mac Mini
> > > > > > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be if
> > > > I
> > > > > > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put
> > > > a SSD
> > > > > > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com> <eSens%
> > > > 40yahoogroups. com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > > > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > > > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > > > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > > > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > > > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > > > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > > > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > > > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > > > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > > > > > disabled.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > > > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > > > > > contribute to
> > > > > > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with
> > > > energy-draining
> > > > > > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a
> > > > nightmare
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of
> > > > people
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologicwebsite
> > > > for
> > > > > > > one)
> > > > > > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) -
> > > > because
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional
> > > > hard-disk
> > > > > > > drives.
> > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is
> > > > there a
> > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and
> > > > a
> > > > > > > 500GB
> > > > > > > > > SSD?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but theprices
> > > > for
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra
> > > > $650 for
> > > > > > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For
> > > > the
> > > > > > > prices
> > > > > > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs
> > > > and
> > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs
> > > > give
> > > > > > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased
> > > > battery
> > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep
> > > > the
> > > > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's
> > > > near-silence
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up"
> > > > such
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives wouldlead to
> > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components
> > > > that
> > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > > > to this "electrosmog" ? Are hard drives constantly spinning as
> > > > long as
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when
> > > > they
> > > > > > > aren't
> > > > > > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > > > > > wireless
> > > > > > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice ifeach
> > > > computer
> > > > > > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion
> > > > of SSDs
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven't
> > > > found
> > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply becausethe
> > > > > > > technology is
> > > > > > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > > > > > > >
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Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi cards (and Dell)

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--- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@...> wrote:
>
>
> For a long time, I thought that there was no internal wireless card in this laptop - but I've just recently learned that there *may* still be an internal wireless card inside of this laptop. My Dad says that, at his job, the Dell laptops didn't need an external USB wireless adapter....they pickedup the internet via their internal wireless cards. He can't say with 100%certainty that *this* laptop operated on its own internal wireless card - but it's highly probable that it did. What may have happened is that, whena Comcast technician came to install our wireless Internet a couple of years ago - the technician disabled the wireless card...either for profit motive (he sold us a nice SMC wireless adapter), or because of technical reasons. I've tried looking for the internal wireless card through the software (i.e. "Device Manager") - but I'm not sure if I've seen it listed anywhere.
>
> So there *could* be an Internal wireless card (disabled or not) "hidden" inside of this laptop, in addition to the external USB wireless adapter. Could you (or anyone) tell me how to determine for sure if there is a wireless card in this Dell?
>
>
> ~Svetaswan
>

--------->Hi again Diane (and everyone) - I'll try to answer my own question about whether or not an internal WiFi card remains in this laptop. Underthe "Start" menu (Windows XP) - I selected "Run", and typed in "msinfo32",and clicked "o.k.". (Awhile ago, someone in another forum told me how to do this.) The "System Information" window came up - and I clicked the various categories underneath the "System Summary" menu that appears on the left-side of the window. In at least a few of these categories, "PCI Modem" is listed. The most "intriguing" listing occurs in the "Problem Devices" subcategory. In this category, "PCI Modem" is listed, and an "Error Code" says, "The drivers for this device are not installed." The Ethernet Controller and the Network Controller are also "problem devices" - and have the same error code (no installed drivers).

I'm pretty much getting the same info in the "Device Manager" within the "Control Panel" menu. Under "Other Devices", a big yellow question mark (with an exclamation point) appears beside the words "PCI Modem". When I clickon "PCI Modem", a box appears that says (among other things) "The drivers for this device are not installed". It also lists its "Location" as "PCI bus 0, device 31, function 6". So would this mean that the internal modem (WiFi card) is physically there, but inoperable because it's missing its device driver?

I just wonder how it came to be that this laptop's internal modem has no driver. Was it intentionally uninstalled? Would that be someone's way of "disabling" the WiFi card?  

Just how active, or inactive, is this WiFi card? With no driver, would it still be able to emit radiation?  

~Svetaswan




>  
>
>  
>
> --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Stephen, Svetaswan, and All,
> >  
> > When I mentioned the necessity of removing the wifi (and Broadband!) cards from my computer, I was quoting Dell technicians, who I assume are more educated in such matters than most of us.  I was told specifically, that these cards are like "antennae".  And such, turning themon merely makes them "connect" to a "receiver" in your hardware portion ofyour computer.  Infact, tho, the connection when broken is only a wire's width apart, and, besides that, the emfs are still attracted to the "antenna" itself--the actual card.  The cards are just not hooked up to the "receiver" when you have the hardware switched off, or, in some cases, the card is laying flat instead of in an upright position and it is only the direction of the card which is changed.  (This would mean fewer emfs, because the direction of the antenna would then be different.)   
> >  
> > Will there be a noticeable difference if you leave the card in, but just disable it?  Yes, I saw a great difference from doing only this.  However, I saw a greater difference from pulling the cards out entirely.  I kept one in for awhile--the broadband card; I could not tolerate the wifi one at all.  If I made sure the closest broadband tower (celltower) was behind my computer and not behind me, I was relatively tolerantof it.  However, if I was in a place where it was necessary to use my computer with ME between the computer and the cell tower, it was extremely bothersome.
> >  
> > And, btw, Svetaswan, you mentioned not having a switch to turn off your wifi and broadband cards.  Sveta, you may not have an external switch, but every computer has an internal switch in the control panel under "hardware devices".  On my computer, you access it by clicking "Control Panel", then "System", then when that pops up,click the tab which says "Hardware", then on that page "Device Manager", that will bring up a long list of devices.  I then disabled my modems, network adaptors, and, anything pertaining to broadband and wifi.  Now understand, depending on how your computer is receiving internet currently, doing this on YOUR system might not work.  However, if you are receiving internet via an external modem box and ethernet cable (as I do), you will still be able to receive internet signals with these devices disabled.
> >  
> > Regarding computers in general and Dells, specifically.... I am amazed at the number of people here who buy computers and Dell computers, specifically, and NEVER call their technical departments for ES help!  Toshiba was no help when I called them for ES help.  But the Dell techs took me completely seriously, had a good general knowledge of how to help me, WERE CONCERNED ABOUT MY WELL BEING, and were greatly helpful.  So, don't trash Dell about its emfs.  Dell does not know how many people their computers are negatively affecting unless you call them for help. 
> >  
> > Yes, today and for you, they may not solve 100% of the problems; however, we worked on my computer for a full month--up to 5+ hours a day!  (I talked on the phone to them from another room while they did some things remotely, and then for minutes at a time, I'd have to go into theroom my computer was in and enter settings/check things out/etc myself.  The first week I did not spend more than an hour and a half each day working on my computer with them, because everything we did was hardware related (and I had to make all the changes myself).  The techies could actually tell when I was becoming too affected and neededto quit, and would ask me if I shouldn't stop awhile or if I thought I could go on.  The last two techies I spoke with were upset and concerned for me that I would need help (and whether I'd be able to get it) after my 30 day software warranty expired if I had later issues.  Btw, I took the broadband card out with hardware
> > technical help 10 months after receiving my computer, because I had a year's warranty on my computer hardware, and I didn't want to void my warranty by removing it right away.  (Back then, they didn't require the wifi card, but did require the broadband card stay in for warranty purposes.  I imagine that now they would require the wifi card stay in for warranty purposes, too, due to its prevalence of use.)
> >  
> > Diane
> >
> > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop (SSD drives - worth the cost for emf-reduction?)
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 11:19 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Concerning: you should remove the wifi hardware from your pc, the scoreis 2-1!
> >
> > Diane and Snoshoe say you should
> > Bill says you shouldn't
> >
> > About the disavantage that a desktop can't work on batteries... Well maybe that's not so important because you can put your desktop some feet awayfrom where you work and from some distance most es-ers won't feel the low freq. emf...
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@ ..> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, that's welcome news that simply turning the WiFi off seems sufficient. I was primarily reacting (or overreacting? ) not to your information, but to Stephen's post regarding the necessity of removing the WiFi from the computer. My struggle with the effects of e.s. has made me kind-of an obsessive worrywart when it comes to finding the "right" computer-setup. I guess that's what can happen when there is seemingly no computer without potential "flaws". I'm constantly trying to weigh the pros and cons - the lesser of the evils. Which "imperfections" could I live with, and which ones would give me problems? And I have to balance "alleviating" my e.s. problems with other concerns (economic, ergonomic).
> > >
> > > At this point, I know some type of compromise is going to have to be made somewhere. Take for example switching power supplies...unless you get a laptop and run them off of batteries all of the time, I don't think thereis any way to avoid a switching power supply in a computer. One could try to replace the switching power supply with a linear one - but I have nowhere near the technical expertise to do this, plus I wouldn't want to do anything to void the warranty of my computer. And since I have "real world" evidence that some type of desktop computer could actually work better for me than a laptop - there is the unavoidable reality that I could have to use a switching power supply.
> > >
> > > Speaking of switching power supplies - do you use the switching powersupply that comes with the Mac Mini? If so, do you find it problematic?
> > >
> > > ~Svetaswan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was trying to say that as far as I know, turning it off
> > > > is sufficient, except that in my experience it will mysteriously turn itself
> > > > on again a few times per year. Someone had asked about
> > > > removing it, which I have done on the laptop just because it
> > > > was easy.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 5:30 PM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You mean that I would have to go through the extra trouble of actually
> > > > > removing the WiFi hardware? What a pain! Actually, I thought thatI wanted
> > > > > the "security" of my computer being at least WiFi enabled, even if I don't
> > > > > plan to use it. Although my house has one ethernet connection - it's never
> > > > > been used/tested, and our WiFi has generally proven to be reliable. I wanted
> > > > > to have WiFi as a "backup" - at least until I work out any possible "kinks"
> > > > > in my ethernet connection and I'm confident that the ethernet connection
> > > > > will be solid.
> > > > >
> > > > > And Apple seems to make disabling WiFi/bluetooth so easy and user-friendly.
> > > > > When I tried to search for the WiFi-disabling function on my brother's
> > > > > laptop (Windows 7), I couldn't find it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why would a device that is turned *off* still emit radiation? Areyou sure
> > > > > that it's enough radiation to be significant?
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>,
> > > > > "stephen_vandevijve re" <stephen_vandevijve re@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About the Mac Mini,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi
> > > > > receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently
> > > > > also on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough
> > > > > to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So youshould
> > > > > actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can do that
> > > > > in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stephen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers
> > > > > (or
> > > > > > > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding in this
> > > > > case
> > > > > > > with a HD.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > > > > > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of
> > > > > disk
> > > > > > > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers
> > > > > produce
> > > > > > > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably
> > > > > more (I
> > > > > > > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to
> > > > > last at
> > > > > > > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides the
> > > > > cost) -
> > > > > > > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknownof how
> > > > > SSDs
> > > > > > > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > > > > > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the only two
> > > > > words that
> > > > > > > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option fortheir Mac
> > > > > Minis
> > > > > > > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > > > > > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the option of
> > > > > attaching a
> > > > > > > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/
> > > > > USB
> > > > > > > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the
> > > > > computer.
> > > > > > > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you optfor the
> > > > > > > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of aMac Mini
> > > > > > > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be if
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put
> > > > > a SSD
> > > > > > > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com> <eSens%
> > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > > > > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > > > > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > > > > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > > > > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > > > > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > > > > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > > > > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > > > > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > > > > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > > > > > > disabled.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > > > > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > > > > > > contribute to
> > > > > > > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with
> > > > > energy-draining
> > > > > > > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a
> > > > > nightmare
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of
> > > > > people
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic website
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > one)
> > > > > > > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) -
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional
> > > > > hard-disk
> > > > > > > > drives.
> > > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is
> > > > > there a
> > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > 500GB
> > > > > > > > > > SSD?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra
> > > > > $650 for
> > > > > > > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > prices
> > > > > > > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs
> > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased
> > > > > battery
> > > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's
> > > > > near-silence
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up"
> > > > > such
> > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead to
> > > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > > > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > > > > to this "electrosmog" ? Are hard drives constantly spinning as
> > > > > long as
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > > aren't
> > > > > > > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > > > > > > wireless
> > > > > > > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each
> > > > > computer
> > > > > > > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion
> > > > > of SSDs
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that peoplehaven't
> > > > > found
> > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the
> > > > > > > > technology is
> > > > > > > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > >
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> >
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Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop (SSD drives - worth the cost for emf-reduction?)

evie15422
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Hi, Stephen,
 
It is likely that you have multiple problems with your Macbook, but you will likely see some improvement removing the wifi card unless things have vastly changed in how they work in recent years (remember my Dell experience was 4 years ago).  You might ask to talk to someone at Apple who would know how the cards work for your model.  My post was really to remind people that there are tech departments out there who can answer these questions much better than we can.  I personally would call the tech depts of various computer brands and ask questions before buying another computer.  If they are uncooperative, I would not buy that brand.  Bottom line is, in this day and age, these companies *should* know there areemf problems for some people.  If they don't care, that says something about the company.  Dell may have changed their policy of emf remediation since I bought my computer, also; but if they have, they still need to hear it when we cannot
use their computers due to bad emf emissions.
 
I am actually very handy with a screwdriver, thankyou!  (And hammer, and saw, and....)  I took shop class in highschool--a friend and Iwere the only 2 girls to ever ask, up till then, to take shop in the school.  It was one of those stories, Stephen.  lol  It aroused a great controversy at the time--whether girls in shop class would disrupt the environment for the guys, whether girls were up to the task, etc, etc....  They ended up teaching us shop at lunch period.  One shop teacher said he had never had so many guys want to come in at lunchtime to work on projects!  lol  Oh well, I digress.  ;)
 
Re writing a book....  I barely have time to sneeze, let alone write abook!  You are such a flatterer, Stephen!  lololol  I am a jack of all trades and ace of none, as they say, unfortunately.  And as for life stories, who on Earth among the "Normals" wouldbelieve what I would write!?!  lol  The entities Bizarre and Different seem to follow me around!  (j/k about the entities, but it doesseem that way sometimes.)
 
But thanks for the ego boost, Stephen! 
Diane
 


--- On Mon, 5/10/10, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop (SSD drives - worth the cost for emf-reduction?)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 6:51 PM


 



Sorry I just couldn't imagine you with a screwdriver in the hand! Me and myprejudices.. . ;-)

You know you're full of special stories! Told you to write a book already!

Anyway I'm definitely gonna ask to remove the wifi-thingie on my Macbook Pro I bought 2 years ago and never used since then! Actually this is already on my to-try-list since you wrote that message a month ago...

It could be that I'm reacting badly to the wifi-hardware as I seem to be okey with desktops and not with recent laptops...

Stephen.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote:
>
> LOL  Stephen,
>  
> NOOOO!  I had access to Dell techs who worked on emf remediation by phone for an entire month!  lol  I had 7different techies, if memory serves.  (They each had this as a designation of expertise and when I called in to request help, I was asked what I needed help on--I said I reacted to emfs from the computer.  I was then transferred to one of these emf remediation techs.  Theirexpertise was self-conferred.  These techies studiedemf remediation on their own because they wanted to work in this area (the more areas they could use as fields of expertise, the higher their pay/perks), and so they basically were considered"experts" in this area, as well as regular fields of expertise which they had studied and had certifications for.)  I had 2 hardware techs (only 1 of those was an emf expert)--they talked me thru removing cards and changing settings--some changes were in the bios, others in control panel.  Then
the rest of the techs were

> software techs; they often helped me remotely by taking control of my computer themselves (using "remote assistant").  There were 5 of them--it depended on the time of day I called, as to who I got.  Also, they sometimes transferred me between themselves, as some had different areas of training.
>  
> This was all free, as part of the warranty package at the time:  30 days free software support; 1 year free hardware support.  But none of it was in-home;  all was by phone.
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Mon, 5/10/10, stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop (SSD drives - worth the cost for emf-reduction? )
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 4:31 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Diane, this is all very interesting!
>
> Not completely clear for me though, are you saying that Dell sent 2 of their ICT-guys to help you for ONE ENTIRE MONTH in your own house on your Dell-pc?! And who paid for that? Dell or you?
>
> Stephen.
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Stephen, Svetaswan, and All,
> >  
> > When I mentioned the necessity of removing the wifi (and Broadband!) cards from my computer, Iwas quoting Dell technicians, who I assume are more educated in such matters than most of us.  I was told specifically, that these cards are like "antennae".  And such, turning them on merely makes them "connect" to a "receiver" in your hardware portion of your computer.  Infact, tho, the connection when broken is only a wire's width apart, and, besides that, the emfs are still attracted to the "antenna" itself--theactual card.  The cards are just not hooked up to the "receiver" when you have the hardware switched off, or, in some cases, the card is laying flat instead of in an upright position and it is only the direction of the card which is changed.  (This would mean fewer emfs, because the direction of the antenna would then be different.)   
> >  
> > Will there be a noticeable difference if you leave the card in, but just disable it?  Yes, I saw a great difference fromdoing only this.  However, I saw a greater difference from pulling the cards out entirely.  I kept one in for awhile--the broadband card; I could not tolerate the wifi one at all.  If I made sure the closest broadband tower (cell tower) was behind my computer and not behind me, I was relatively tolerant of it.  However, if I was in a place where it was necessary to use my computer with ME between the computer and the cell tower, it was extremely bothersome.
> >  
> > And, btw, Svetaswan, you mentioned not havinga switch to turn off your wifi and broadband cards.  Sveta, you may not have an external switch, but every computer has an internal switch in the control panel under "hardware devices".  On my computer, you access itby clicking "Control Panel", then "System", thenwhen that pops up, click the tab which says "Hardware", then on that page "Device Manager", that will bring up a long listof devices.  I then disabled my modems, network adaptors, and, anything pertaining to broadband and wifi.  Now understand, depending on how your computer is receiving internet currently, doing this on YOUR system might not work.  However, if you are receiving internet via an external modem box and ethernet cable (as I do), you will still beable to receive internet signals with these devices disabled.
> >  
> > Regarding computers in general and Dells, specifically. ... I am amazed at the number of people here who buy computers and Dell computers, specifically, and NEVER call their technical departments for ES help!  Toshiba was no help when I called them for ES help.  But the Dell techs took me completely seriously, had a good general knowledge of how to help me, WERE CONCERNED ABOUT MY WELLBEING, and were greatly helpful.  So, don't trash Dell about its emfs.  Dell does not know how many people their computers are negatively affecting unless you call them for help. 
> >  
> > Yes, today and for you, they may not solve 100% of the problems; however, we worked on my computer for a full month--up to 5+ hours a day!  (I talked on the phone to them from another room while they did some things remotely, and then for minutes at a time, I'd have to go into the room my computer was in and enter settings/check things out/etc myself.  The first week I did not spend more than an hour and a half each day working on my computer with them, because  everything we did was hardware related (and I had to make all the changes myself).  The techies could actually tell when I was becoming too affected and needed to quit, and would ask me if I shouldn't stop awhile or if I thought I could goon.  The last two techies I spoke with were upset and concerned for me that I would need help (and whether I'd be ableto get it) after my 30 day
software warranty expired if I had later issues.  Btw, I took the

> broadband card out with hardware
> > technical help 10 months after receiving my computer, because I had a year's warranty on my computer hardware, and I didn't want to void my warranty by removing it right away.  (Back then, they didn't require the wifi card, but did require the broadband card stay in for warranty purposes.  I imagine that now they would require the wifi card stay in for warranty purposes, too, due to its prevalence of use.)
> >  
> > Diane
> >
> > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop (SSD drives - worth the cost for emf-reduction? )
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 11:19 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Concerning: you should remove the wifi hardware from your pc, the scoreis 2-1!
> >
> > Diane and Snoshoe say you should
> > Bill says you shouldn't
> >
> > About the disavantage that a desktop can't work on batteries... Well maybe that's not so important because you can put your desktop some feet awayfrom where you work and from some distance most es-ers won't feel the low freq. emf...
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@ ..> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, that's welcome news that simply turning the WiFi off seems sufficient. I was primarily reacting (or overreacting? ) not to your information, but to Stephen's post regarding the necessity of removing the WiFi from the computer. My struggle with the effects of e.s. has made me kind-of an obsessive worrywart when it comes to finding the "right" computer-setup. I guess that's what can happen when there is seemingly no computer without potential "flaws". I'm constantly trying to weigh the pros and cons - the lesser of the evils. Which "imperfections" could I live with, and which ones would give me problems? And I have to balance "alleviating" my e.s. problems with other concerns (economic, ergonomic).
> > >
> > > At this point, I know some type of compromise is going to have to be made somewhere. Take for example switching power supplies...unless you get a laptop and run them off of batteries all of the time, I don't think thereis any way to avoid a switching power supply in a computer. One could try to replace the switching power supply with a linear one - but I have nowhere near the technical expertise to do this, plus I wouldn't want to do anything to void the warranty of my computer. And since I have "real world" evidence that some type of desktop computer could actually work better for me than a laptop - there is the unavoidable reality that I could have to use a switching power supply.
> > >
> > > Speaking of switching power supplies - do you use the switching powersupply that comes with the Mac Mini? If so, do you find it problematic?
> > >
> > > ~Svetaswan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was trying to say that as far as I know, turning it off
> > > > is sufficient, except that in my experience it will mysteriously turn itself
> > > > on again a few times per year. Someone had asked about
> > > > removing it, which I have done on the laptop just because it
> > > > was easy.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 5:30 PM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You mean that I would have to go through the extra trouble of actually
> > > > > removing the WiFi hardware? What a pain! Actually, I thought thatI wanted
> > > > > the "security" of my computer being at least WiFi enabled, even if I don't
> > > > > plan to use it. Although my house has one ethernet connection - it's never
> > > > > been used/tested, and our WiFi has generally proven to be reliable. I wanted
> > > > > to have WiFi as a "backup" - at least until I work out any possible "kinks"
> > > > > in my ethernet connection and I'm confident that the ethernet connection
> > > > > will be solid.
> > > > >
> > > > > And Apple seems to make disabling WiFi/bluetooth so easy and user-friendly.
> > > > > When I tried to search for the WiFi-disabling function on my brother's
> > > > > laptop (Windows 7), I couldn't find it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why would a device that is turned *off* still emit radiation? Areyou sure
> > > > > that it's enough radiation to be significant?
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>,
> > > > > "stephen_vandevijve re" <stephen_vandevijve re@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About the Mac Mini,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi
> > > > > receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently
> > > > > also on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough
> > > > > to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So youshould
> > > > > actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can do that
> > > > > in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stephen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers
> > > > > (or
> > > > > > > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding in this
> > > > > case
> > > > > > > with a HD.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > > > > > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of
> > > > > disk
> > > > > > > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers
> > > > > produce
> > > > > > > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably
> > > > > more (I
> > > > > > > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to
> > > > > last at
> > > > > > > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides the
> > > > > cost) -
> > > > > > > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknownof how
> > > > > SSDs
> > > > > > > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > > > > > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the only two
> > > > > words that
> > > > > > > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option fortheir Mac
> > > > > Minis
> > > > > > > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > > > > > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the option of
> > > > > attaching a
> > > > > > > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/
> > > > > USB
> > > > > > > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the
> > > > > computer.
> > > > > > > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you optfor the
> > > > > > > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of aMac Mini
> > > > > > > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be if
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put
> > > > > a SSD
> > > > > > > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com> <eSens%
> > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > > > > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > > > > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > > > > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > > > > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > > > > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > > > > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > > > > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > > > > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > > > > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > > > > > > disabled.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > > > > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > > > > > > contribute to
> > > > > > > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with
> > > > > energy-draining
> > > > > > > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a
> > > > > nightmare
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of
> > > > > people
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic website
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > one)
> > > > > > > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) -
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional
> > > > > hard-disk
> > > > > > > > drives.
> > > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is
> > > > > there a
> > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > 500GB
> > > > > > > > > > SSD?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra
> > > > > $650 for
> > > > > > > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > prices
> > > > > > > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs
> > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased
> > > > > battery
> > > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's
> > > > > near-silence
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up"
> > > > > such
> > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead to
> > > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > > > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > > > > to this "electrosmog" ? Are hard drives constantly spinning as
> > > > > long as
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > > aren't
> > > > > > > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > > > > > > wireless
> > > > > > > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each
> > > > > computer
> > > > > > > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion
> > > > > of SSDs
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that peoplehaven't
> > > > > found
> > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the
> > > > > > > > technology is
> > > > > > > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
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Hi, Svetaswan,
 
I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them the "Normals".  It makes it sound so much more Orwellian.  ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. 
 
Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof".  I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
 
You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, andthen again when you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually.  But you might beable to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If you find
theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANSdisorder testing.  (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
 
When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures.  With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows.  When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up.  You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often.  So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works.  I often can get the lowest reading takingbp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body willtry and succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long term exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
 
It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes anadded obstacle when you don't.  It is most helpful if you can get peopleto believe you, if you can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.  Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good info here in the past year to share with others.  Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
 
I wish you the best,
Diane

--- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: svetaswan <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM


 





Hi Stephen,

Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concernedabout is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses.

I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.

But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strongresistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.)

So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than theU.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare"doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing.

As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.

As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is intheir bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've nevernoticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean thatwe shouldn't get rid of it, though!



     

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steve
Hi Diane,
I also have tanking blood pressure. What supplements do you take to get it to rise?
Thanks,
Steve

--- On Tue, 5/11/10, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Evie <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:40 AM
> Hi, Svetaswan,
>  
> I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have
> these problems you mention with normal people; you are not
> alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them the
> "Normals".  It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. 
> ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the
> past year or two in some public opinion. 
>  
> Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate
> changes and use that if you do for "proof".  I have no idea
> how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system
> changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by
> others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to
> monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell anyone what
> you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may see it
> as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit
> meaningful readings.
>  
> You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate
> monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best,
> then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when
> you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate goes
> up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most
> people will agree that you can't psychologically control
> tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are
> upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means little
> to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be able
> to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,
> respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf
> exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar
> changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the
> easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you experience
> chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit
> temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely
> be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If you find
> theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to
> a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs do not
> yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal
> to this disorder.)
>  
> When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My
> normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When
> I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20
> mins and I have had even lower than that with longer
> exposures.  With experience, I have found that this bp
> tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows.  When
> I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion
> also clears up.  You will also see that your body tries to
> right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this
> often.  So you will have to take readings over a long
> period of time to understand how your body works.  I often
> can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst,
> but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and
> succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long term
> exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my body can
> no longer deal with it and stresses out.
>  
> It is empowering when you have people who support you
> and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't.  It is
> most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you
> can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too,
> Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.  Share
> with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens
> regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good info
> here in the past year to share with others.  Don't give
> reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
>  
> I wish you the best,
> Diane
>

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Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi cards (and Dell)

evie15422
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hi again, Sveta,
 
You can test your internet ethernet connection easily without having to worry about doing something you cannot undo.  Just follow what I told youto do about disabling hardware.  (Be sure to write down all changes you make incase you forget--been there, done that.  lol  Had to use "system restore" more than once.  lol)  Once you disable the hardware, you will be able to tell whether you are running solely on ethernetcable.  I do not remember the exact ethernet settings which need tweeked, but perhaps someone else here knows this, or you could call your internet provider to change the settings to operate solely on ethernet, if you encounter no internet connection once you disable wifi and broadband. 
 
I am similarly challenged in the computer terminology dept, Sveta.  lol  I think "Bluetooth" is a separate technology from "Broadband", but I am not the person to ask.  Broadband is the 3G, 4G, 5G technology (depending on what is available thru towers in your area, and which G card you have on your computer).  But that is as much as I *think* I know.  lol  If you have "Bluetooth"--I think that means you have connectivity whereever you go.  You would need to also disable bluetooth if you have it, tho.
 
As far as which cards your computer has....  that would be in your original packing info which came with the computer.  Or on your order form, if you have that.  You know--where they told you exactly what you bought on a long list with the price, etc.  You should also be able to see that on your "hardware devices" list.  Another idea would be to try to load it onto your hardware devices, if it is not on your hardware list.  If the software tells you to continue, you most likely have it; if it says it cannot find it, you likely do not.
 
My understanding is a USB external router is as bad as the internal card, or worse.  But I have no personal experience with this.
 
Sveta, I was not trying to fault you when I mentioned people bad mouthing Dell.  My point was, people never tell Dell and other brand techies they are having problems and they never go there for info.  When youhave free support you should use it.  (I know in your case, your freesupport was long gone by the time you were ES.)  You should ask questions up front and see what they say before you buy also.  Of course they are not going to write about es symptoms in their literature.  Thisis not a normal reaction to their computers.  However, if the number of people who recognise they have es problems from computers called in and told them about it, we might see a change here in the policies of all the computer makers.  Certainly when I called Dell 4 years ago, the techs there were familiar with it and knew it was a problem.  They were somewhat angry that the "research and development" wing of Dell was not getting their memos to tone the emfs
down.  But if Dell gets enough feed-back from us, they will begin to listen.  Afterall, they want to sell their computers (to us, also).
 
I have an Inspiron E 1505 Intel Core Duo.  It does have the professional office software on it.  I don't know that there is a difference thowith an Inspiron which doesn't have it.  This laptop was certainly obnoxious enough when I bought it though.  That is why it took a month to remediate problems--the techs went piece by piece thru the entire computer and its software to lessen emf emissions.
 
Hope I hit all your questions.  Good luck,
Diane

--- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: svetaswan <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi cards (and Dell)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 11:17 PM


 





Hi Diane,

Yep, Dell technians certainly know more than I will probably ever know - there's no denying that. And, I guess if I want to ensure the best possible chance of a computer working for me - I need to follow *all* precautions andsee about getting the WiFi card of any device I buy removed (assuming thatall WiFi cards work like Dell's). It's just that it's an extra hassle for a struggling, low-energy person such as myself...but then again, from the way you explained how these cards work (even when not turned on), the extra hassle and effort may be worth it - big time. OTOH, removing the WiFi card would be removing a "security blanket" and a "fall-back option" - as I indicated in an earlier post. I've never tested my ethernet connection - so getting someone to remove the WiFi before I test the ethernet would be a leap into the great unknown.

I suppose I was in the right ballpark when I was trying to locate the software options in order turn off the WiFi on my brother's laptop - for some reason, I just couldn't quite locate the options (maybe I didn't quite know what to look for). I know it has to be accessible somewhere in the software,though.

When you say "broadband" card - is that the same hardware device as "bluetooth"? Sorry - I guess I'm still pretty unfamiliar with the hardware components (and the terminology for them) - and what exactly a broadband card does. If I, for example, buy an Apple computer - would removing the "bluetooth"hardware be the equivalent of removing "broadband"?

I guess when one has been so harmed by a particular brand of computer - it might be a natural response to write that company off, so to speak - and avoid buying any more of their products. Some of this reaction is based on anger - some of which I've directed toward the company whose product has played a hand in harming me. I mean, I never saw this coming - I was basically blindsided with e.m.f. damage that I didn't even know was possible. If I had been aware of just how harmful that using this laptop could be - maybe I would have taken more precautions (or tried to search for something "safer"). But Dell (like most other companies, I suppose) - is pretty mum on the topic. I don't see anywhere in their user manual the phrase "You can suffer skin damage from prolonged use of this product" (you should see my hands...I've mentioned the accelerated aging of my hands/face before). Nowhere in their literature is the warning that prolonged use could lead to
disturbed sleep - or an exacerbation of anxiety symptoms - not to mention the host of other symptoms I've experienced.

So yes, I guess I've "trashed" Dell in my mind some - since the company was/is in a much better position that I am to know about the emissions coming from their products, and their potential for harm. But I suppose Dell isn'tunique - other companies are pretty silent or are in denial as well. But lately, I've opened my mind to Dell again - someone in my position cannot afford to close the door on a company if they offer a product that might work. I see that their "Optiplex" desktops are the first to be awarded the latest, strictest TCO certification.

And no, I've never tried to call Dell about this computer. But much of thisreluctance may be because of this computer's age, and my lack of ownership. My Dad brought this computer home from work a couple of years ago - whereit had been in use for at least a few years, I'm assuming. (This is a 2003/2004 model laptop.) So I don't think this computer is under any warranty. It's not like I bought this computer myself any time recently, and have failed to take advantage of its warranty.

My Dell laptop uses a USB wireless adapter - instead of its internal wireless card. How do external wireless adapters rate - as far as transmitting harmful emf to the computer? Would a USB wireless adapter that is plugged into the back of a laptop be bad, emf-wise?

For a long time, I thought that there was no internal wireless card in thislaptop - but I've just recently learned that there *may* still be an internal wireless card inside of this laptop. My Dad says that, at his job, the Dell laptops didn't need an external USB wireless adapter....they picked upthe internet via their internal wireless cards. He can't say with 100% certainty that *this* laptop operated on its own internal wireless card - but it's highly probable that it did. What may have happened is that, when a Comcast technician came to install our wireless Internet a couple of years ago - the technician disabled the wireless card...either for profit motive (he sold us a nice SMC wireless adapter), or because of technical reasons. I've tried looking for the internal wireless card through the software (i.e. "Device Manager") - but I'm not sure if I've seen it listed anywhere.

So there *could* be an Internal wireless card (disabled or not) "hidden" inside of this laptop, in addition to the external USB wireless adapter. Could you (or anyone) tell me how to determine for sure if there is a wireless card in this Dell?

Finally, what type of Dell computer do you have? Is it one of their "business" models? There might be advantages to buying a business model (if "civilians" are allowed to purchase a business model) - because it seems that I've heard that customer service for their business-line computers is much better than it is for their "home use" products.

~Svetaswan

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>
> Hi, Stephen, Svetaswan, and All,
>  
> When I mentioned the necessity of removing the wifi (and Broadband!) cards from my computer, I was quoting Dell technicians, who I assume are more educated in such matters than most of us.  I was told specifically, that these cards are like "antennae".  And such, turning them on merely makes them "connect" to a "receiver" in your hardware portion of your computer.  Infact, tho, the connection when broken is only a wire's width apart, and, besides that, the emfs are still attracted to the "antenna" itself--the actual card.  The cards are just not hooked up to the "receiver" when you have the hardware switched off, or, in some cases, the card is layingflat instead of in an upright position and it is only the direction of thecard which is changed.  (This would mean fewer emfs, because the direction of the antenna would then be different.)  
>  
> Will there be a noticeable difference if you leave the card in, but just disable it?  Yes, I saw a great difference from doing only this.  However, I saw a greater difference from pulling the cards outentirely.  I kept one in for awhile--the broadband card; I could not tolerate the wifi one at all.  If I made sure the closest broadband tower (cell tower) was behind my computer and not behind me, I was relatively tolerant of it.  However, if I was in a place where it was necessary to use my computer with ME between the computer and the cell tower, it was extremely bothersome.
>  
> And, btw, Svetaswan, you mentioned not having a switch to turn off your wifi and broadband cards.  Sveta, you may not have an external switch, but every computer has an internal switch in the control panel under "hardware devices".  On my computer, you access it by clicking "Control Panel", then "System", then when that pops up, click the tab which says "Hardware", then on that page "Device Manager", that will bring up a long list of devices.  I then disabled my modems, network adaptors, and, anything pertaining to broadband and wifi.  Now understand, depending on how your computer is receiving internet currently, doing this on YOUR system might not work.  However, if you are receiving internet via an external modem box and ethernet cable (as Ido), you will still be able to receive internet signals with these devicesdisabled.
>  
> Regarding computers in general and Dells, specifically. ... I am amazed at the number of people here who buy computers and Dell computers, specifically, and NEVER call their technical departments for ES help!  Toshiba was no help when I called them for ES help.  But the Dell techs took me completely seriously, hada good general knowledge of how to help me, WERE CONCERNED ABOUT MY WELL BEING, and were greatly helpful.  So, don't trash Dellabout its emfs.  Dell does not know how many people their computers are negatively affecting unless you call them for help. 
>  
> Yes, today and for you, they may not solve 100% of the problems; however,we worked on my computer for a full month--up to 5+ hours a day!  (I talked on the phone to them from another room while they did some things remotely, and then for minutes at a time, I'd have to go into the room my computer was in and enter settings/check things out/etc myself.  The first week I did not spend more than an hour and a half each day working on my computer with them, because  everything we did was hardware related (and I had to make all the changes myself).  The techies could actually tell when I was becoming too affected and needed to quit, and would askme if I shouldn't stop awhile or if I thought I could go on.  The last two techies I spoke with were upset and concerned for me that I would need help (and whether I'd be able to get it) after my 30 day software warranty expired if I had later issues.  Btw, I took the
broadband card out with hardware

> technical help 10 months after receiving my computer, because I had a year's warranty on my computer hardware, and I didn't want to void my warranty by removing it right away.  (Back then, they didn't require the wifi card, but did require the broadband card stay in for warranty purposes.  I imagine that now they would require the wifi card stay in for warranty purposes, too, due to its prevalence of use.)
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Mon, 5/10/10, stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop (SSD drives - worth the cost for emf-reduction? )
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 11:19 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Concerning: you should remove the wifi hardware from your pc, the score is 2-1!
>
> Diane and Snoshoe say you should
> Bill says you shouldn't
>
> About the disavantage that a desktop can't work on batteries... Well maybe that's not so important because you can put your desktop some feet away from where you work and from some distance most es-ers won't feel the low freq. emf...
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@ ..> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, that's welcome news that simply turning the WiFi off seems sufficient. I was primarily reacting (or overreacting? ) not to your information,but to Stephen's post regarding the necessity of removing the WiFi from the computer. My struggle with the effects of e.s. has made me kind-of an obsessive worrywart when it comes to finding the "right" computer-setup. I guess that's what can happen when there is seemingly no computer without potential "flaws". I'm constantly trying to weigh the pros and cons - the lesserof the evils. Which "imperfections" could I live with, and which ones would give me problems? And I have to balance "alleviating" my e.s. problems with other concerns (economic, ergonomic).
> >
> > At this point, I know some type of compromise is going to have to be made somewhere. Take for example switching power supplies...unless you get a laptop and run them off of batteries all of the time, I don't think there is any way to avoid a switching power supply in a computer. One could try toreplace the switching power supply with a linear one - but I have nowhere near the technical expertise to do this, plus I wouldn't want to do anything to void the warranty of my computer. And since I have "real world" evidence that some type of desktop computer could actually work better for me than a laptop - there is the unavoidable reality that I could have to use a switching power supply.
> >
> > Speaking of switching power supplies - do you use the switching power supply that comes with the Mac Mini? If so, do you find it problematic?
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was trying to say that as far as I know, turning it off
> > > is sufficient, except that in my experience it will mysteriously turnitself
> > > on again a few times per year. Someone had asked about
> > > removing it, which I have done on the laptop just because it
> > > was easy.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 5:30 PM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You mean that I would have to go through the extra trouble of actually
> > > > removing the WiFi hardware? What a pain! Actually, I thought that Iwanted
> > > > the "security" of my computer being at least WiFi enabled, even if I don't
> > > > plan to use it. Although my house has one ethernet connection - it's never
> > > > been used/tested, and our WiFi has generally proven to be reliable.I wanted
> > > > to have WiFi as a "backup" - at least until I work out any possible"kinks"
> > > > in my ethernet connection and I'm confident that the ethernet connection
> > > > will be solid.
> > > >
> > > > And Apple seems to make disabling WiFi/bluetooth so easy and user-friendly.
> > > > When I tried to search for the WiFi-disabling function on my brother's
> > > > laptop (Windows 7), I couldn't find it.
> > > >
> > > > Why would a device that is turned *off* still emit radiation? Are you sure
> > > > that it's enough radiation to be significant?
> > > >
> > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > >
> > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>,
> > > > "stephen_vandevijve re" <stephen_vandevijve re@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > About the Mac Mini,
> > > > >
> > > > > On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi
> > > > receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently
> > > > also on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
> > > > >
> > > > > A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough
> > > > to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So you should
> > > > actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can do that
> > > > in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers
> > > > (or
> > > > > > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding in this
> > > > case
> > > > > > with a HD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > > > > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of
> > > > disk
> > > > > > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers
> > > > produce
> > > > > > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably
> > > > more (I
> > > > > > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to
> > > > last at
> > > > > > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides the
> > > > cost) -
> > > > > > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how
> > > > SSDs
> > > > > > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > > > > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the onlytwo
> > > > words that
> > > > > > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for their Mac
> > > > Minis
> > > > > > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > > > > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the optionof
> > > > attaching a
> > > > > > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/
> > > > USB
> > > > > > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the
> > > > computer.
> > > > > > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I
> > > > don't
> > > > > > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt for the
> > > > > > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a Mac Mini
> > > > > > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be if
> > > > I
> > > > > > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put
> > > > a SSD
> > > > > > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com> <eSens%
> > > > 40yahoogroups. com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > > > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > > > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > > > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > > > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > > > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > > > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > > > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > > > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > > > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > > > > > disabled.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > > > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > > > > > contribute to
> > > > > > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with
> > > > energy-draining
> > > > > > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a
> > > > nightmare
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of
> > > > people
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologicwebsite
> > > > for
> > > > > > > one)
> > > > > > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) -
> > > > because
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional
> > > > hard-disk
> > > > > > > drives.
> > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is
> > > > there a
> > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and
> > > > a
> > > > > > > 500GB
> > > > > > > > > SSD?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but theprices
> > > > for
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra
> > > > $650 for
> > > > > > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For
> > > > the
> > > > > > > prices
> > > > > > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs
> > > > and
> > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs
> > > > give
> > > > > > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased
> > > > battery
> > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep
> > > > the
> > > > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's
> > > > near-silence
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up"
> > > > such
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives wouldlead to
> > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components
> > > > that
> > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > > > to this "electrosmog" ? Are hard drives constantly spinning as
> > > > long as
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when
> > > > they
> > > > > > > aren't
> > > > > > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > > > > > wireless
> > > > > > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice ifeach
> > > > computer
> > > > > > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion
> > > > of SSDs
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven't
> > > > found
> > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply becausethe
> > > > > > > technology is
> > > > > > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
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I take Calcium AEP and pantethine.  I also take CoQ10 as a regular supplement.  These 3 supps feed the lymphatics and adrenals.  Check the posts from around 2 weeks ago, Steve, for more details;  I recently went into depth on how to take, etc, etc,.... 
 
Diane

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From: Steve G <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 10:45 AM


 



Hi Diane,
I also have tanking blood pressure. What supplements do you take to get it to rise?
Thanks,
Steve

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> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:40 AM
> Hi, Svetaswan,
>  
> I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have
> these problems you mention with normal people; you are not
> alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them the
> "Normals".  It makes it sound so much more Orwellian. 
> ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the
> past year or two in some public opinion. 
>  
> Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate
> changes and use that if you do for "proof".  I have no idea
> how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system
> changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by
> others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to
> monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell anyone what
> you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may see it
> as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit
> meaningful readings.
>  
> You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate
> monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best,
> then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when
> you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate goes
> up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most
> people will agree that you can't psychologicall y control
> tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are
> upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means little
> to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be able
> to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,
> respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf
> exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar
> changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the
> easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you experience
> chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit
> temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely
> be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If you find
> theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to
> a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs do not
> yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal
> to this disorder.)
>  
> When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My
> normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When
> I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20
> mins and I have had even lower than that with longer
> exposures.  With experience, I have found that this bp
> tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows.  When
> I bring my bp back up (with supplements) , the exhaustion
> also clears up.  You will also see that your body tries to
> right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this
> often.  So you will have to take readings over a long
> period of time to understand how your body works.  I often
> can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst,
> but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and
> succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long term
> exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my body can
> no longer deal with it and stresses out.
>  
> It is empowering when you have people who support you
> and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't.  It is
> most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you
> can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too,
> Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.  Share
> with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens
> regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good info
> here in the past year to share with others.  Don't give
> reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
>  
> I wish you the best,
> Diane
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steve
I actually bought the pantethine and cal orotate. I thought I got a weird reaction to it but then again I have been feeling odd for a few weeks now with them or without them. I already take CoQ10, 100Mg. No energy but its supposed to be good for the gums.

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> From: Evie <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 8:34 AM
> I take Calcium AEP and pantethine. 
> I also take CoQ10 as a regular supplement.  These 3 supps
> feed the lymphatics and adrenals.  Check the posts from
> around 2 weeks ago, Steve, for more details;  I recently
> went into depth on how to take, etc, etc,.... 
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Steve G <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Steve G <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi
> woes
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 10:45 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Diane,
> I also have tanking blood pressure. What supplements do you
> take to get it to rise?
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
> --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop -
> WiFi woes
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:40 AM
> > Hi, Svetaswan,
> >  
> > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all
> have
> > these problems you mention with normal people; you are
> not
> > alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them
> the
> > "Normals".  It makes it sound so much more
> Orwellian. 
> > ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in
> the
> > past year or two in some public opinion. 
> >  
> > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate
> > changes and use that if you do for "proof".  I have
> no idea
> > how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous
> system
> > changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned
> by
> > others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy
> to
> > monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell
> anyone what
> > you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may
> see it
> > as proof you are imagining things if you cannot
> elicit
> > meaningful readings.
> >  
> > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate
> > monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best,
> > then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again
> when
> > you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate
> goes
> > up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. 
> Most
> > people will agree that you can't psychologicall
> y control
> > tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign
> you are
> > upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means
> little
> > to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be
> able
> > to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,
> > respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf
> > exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar
> > changes which show when I check them, but the bp is
> the
> > easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you
> experience
> > chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can
> elicit
> > temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will
> likely
> > be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If you
> find
> > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go
> to
> > a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs
> do not
> > yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as
> causal
> > to this disorder.)
> >  
> > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. 
> My
> > normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. 
> When
> > I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40
> in 20
> > mins and I have had even lower than that with longer
> > exposures.  With experience, I have found that this
> bp
> > tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. 
> When
> > I bring my bp back up (with supplements) , the
> exhaustion
> > also clears up.  You will also see that your body
> tries to
> > right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do
> this
> > often.  So you will have to take readings over a
> long
> > period of time to understand how your body works.  I
> often
> > can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my
> worst,
> > but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try
> and
> > succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long
> term
> > exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my
> body can
> > no longer deal with it and stresses out.
> >  
> > It is empowering when you have people who support you
> > and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. 
> It is
> > most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if
> you
> > can.  Give them as much computer info as you can
> too,
> > Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. 
> Share
> > with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its
> citizens
> > regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good
> info
> > here in the past year to share with others.  Don't
> give
> > reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
> >  
> > I wish you the best,
> > Diane
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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You will have to take more like 300 mg CoQ10 sublingually (to by-pass the gut) for a month to 6 months before you will likely see a difference, Steve.  But I saw a bigger difference with Cal AEP and pantethine than CoQ10.  I still use it tho. 
 
Diane

--- On Tue, 5/11/10, Steve G <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Steve G <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 12:49 PM


 



I actually bought the pantethine and cal orotate. I thought I got a weird reaction to it but then again I have been feeling odd for a few weeks now with them or without them. I already take CoQ10, 100Mg. No energy but its supposed to be good for the gums.

--- On Tue, 5/11/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 8:34 AM
> I take Calcium AEP and pantethine. 
> I also take CoQ10 as a regular supplement.  These 3 supps
> feed the lymphatics and adrenals.  Check the posts from
> around 2 weeks ago, Steve, for more details;  I recently
> went into depth on how to take, etc, etc,.... 
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Steve G <torch369@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Steve G <torch369@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi
> woes
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 10:45 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Diane,
> I also have tanking blood pressure. What supplements do you
> take to get it to rise?
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
> --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop -
> WiFi woes
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:40 AM
> > Hi, Svetaswan,
> >  
> > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all
> have
> > these problems you mention with normal people; you are
> not
> > alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them
> the
> > "Normals".  It makes it sound so much more
> Orwellian. 
> > ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in
> the
> > past year or two in some public opinion. 
> >  
> > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate
> > changes and use that if you do for "proof".  I have
> no idea
> > how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous
> system
> > changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned
> by
> > others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy
> to
> > monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell
> anyone what
> > you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may
> see it
> > as proof you are imagining things if you cannot
> elicit
> > meaningful readings.
> >  
> > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate
> > monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best,
> > then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again
> when
> > you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate
> goes
> > up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. 
> Most
> > people will agree that you can't psychologicall
> y control
> > tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign
> you are
> > upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means
> little
> > to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be
> able
> > to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes,
> > respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf
> > exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar
> > changes which show when I check them, but the bp is
> the
> > easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you
> experience
> > chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can
> elicit
> > temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will
> likely
> > be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If you
> find
> > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go
> to
> > a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs
> do not
> > yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as
> causal
> > to this disorder.)
> >  
> > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. 
> My
> > normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. 
> When
> > I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40
> in 20
> > mins and I have had even lower than that with longer
> > exposures.  With experience, I have found that this
> bp
> > tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows. 
> When
> > I bring my bp back up (with supplements) , the
> exhaustion
> > also clears up.  You will also see that your body
> tries to
> > right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do
> this
> > often.  So you will have to take readings over a
> long
> > period of time to understand how your body works.  I
> often
> > can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my
> worst,
> > but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try
> and
> > succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long
> term
> > exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my
> body can
> > no longer deal with it and stresses out.
> >  
> > It is empowering when you have people who support you
> > and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't. 
> It is
> > most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if
> you
> > can.  Give them as much computer info as you can
> too,
> > Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. 
> Share
> > with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its
> citizens
> > regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good
> info
> > here in the past year to share with others.  Don't
> give
> > reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
> >  
> > I wish you the best,
> > Diane
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     eSens-fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com
>
>
>








     

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steve
I know they have chewables but I haven't seen sublinguals.
Steve

--- On Tue, 5/11/10, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Evie <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 12:35 PM
> You will have to take more like 300
> mg CoQ10 sublingually (to by-pass the gut) for a month to 6
> months before you will likely see a difference, Steve.  But
> I saw a bigger difference with Cal AEP and pantethine than
> CoQ10.  I still use it tho. 
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Steve G <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Steve G <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi
> woes
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 12:49 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> I actually bought the pantethine and cal orotate. I thought
> I got a weird reaction to it but then again I have been
> feeling odd for a few weeks now with them or without them. I
> already take CoQ10, 100Mg. No energy but its supposed to be
> good for the gums.
>
> --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop -
> WiFi woes
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 8:34 AM
> > I take Calcium AEP and pantethine. 
> > I also take CoQ10 as a regular supplement.  These 3
> supps
> > feed the lymphatics and adrenals.  Check the posts
> from
> > around 2 weeks ago, Steve, for more details;  I
> recently
> > went into depth on how to take, etc, etc,.... 
> >  
> > Diane
> >
> > --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Steve G <torch369@yahoo.
> com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Steve G <torch369@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop -
> WiFi
> > woes
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 10:45 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Diane,
> > I also have tanking blood pressure. What supplements
> do you
> > take to get it to rise?
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
> >
> > --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo.
> com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop
> -
> > WiFi woes
> > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:40 AM
> > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > >  
> > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....)
> all
> > have
> > > these problems you mention with normal people;
> you are
> > not
> > > alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call
> them
> > the
> > > "Normals".  It makes it sound so much more
> > Orwellian. 
> > > ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn
> in
> > the
> > > past year or two in some public opinion. 
> > >  
> > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart
> rate
> > > changes and use that if you do for "proof".  I
> have
> > no idea
> > > how many of us have noticeable autonomic
> nervous
> > system
> > > changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as
> mentioned
> > by
> > > others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so
> easy
> > to
> > > monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell
> > anyone what
> > > you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They
> may
> > see it
> > > as proof you are imagining things if you cannot
> > elicit
> > > meaningful readings.
> > >  
> > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart
> rate
> > > monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your
> best,
> > > then when you feel "normal" for you, and then
> again
> > when
> > > you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart
> rate
> > goes
> > > up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad
> emfs. 
> > Most
> > > people will agree that you can't psychologicall
> > y control
> > > tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a
> sign
> > you are
> > > upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it
> means
> > little
> > > to people if that changes, usually.  But you
> might be
> > able
> > > to find temperature changes, blood sugar
> changes,
> > > respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad
> emf
> > > exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood
> sugar
> > > changes which show when I check them, but the bp
> is
> > the
> > > easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you
> > experience
> > > chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can
> > elicit
> > > temperature differences on a thermometer, but it
> will
> > likely
> > > be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If
> you
> > find
> > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can
> also go
> > to
> > > a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these
> docs
> > do not
> > > yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers
> as
> > causal
> > > to this disorder.)
> > >  
> > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean
> significantly. 
> > My
> > > normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to
> 85. 
> > When
> > > I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to
> 60/40
> > in 20
> > > mins and I have had even lower than that with
> longer
> > > exposures.  With experience, I have found that
> this
> > bp
> > > tanking is what causes the exhaustion which
> follows. 
> > When
> > > I bring my bp back up (with supplements) , the
> > exhaustion
> > > also clears up.  You will also see that your
> body
> > tries to
> > > right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can
> do
> > this
> > > often.  So you will have to take readings over
> a
> > long
> > > period of time to understand how your body
> works.  I
> > often
> > > can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel
> my
> > worst,
> > > but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will
> try
> > and
> > > succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why
> long
> > term
> > > exposures are more meaningful.  After a while,
> my
> > body can
> > > no longer deal with it and stresses out.
> > >  
> > > It is empowering when you have people who support
> you
> > > and it becomes an added obstacle when you
> don't. 
> > It is
> > > most helpful if you can get people to believe
> you, if
> > you
> > > can.  Give them as much computer info as you
> can
> > too,
> > > Sveta--show them the research and magazine
> articles. 
> > Share
> > > with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its
> > citizens
> > > regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had
> good
> > info
> > > here in the past year to share with others. 
> Don't
> > give
> > > reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a
> time.
> > >  
> > > I wish you the best,
> > > Diane
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      
> >
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> >
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Svetaswan-2
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Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take allof this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy.

You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rateover the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved.

My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - andmy bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).

During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue.It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench -which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stopand grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction.  

But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure thatyou describe?  

Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :)

~Svetaswan

P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs,or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

>
> Hi, Svetaswan,
>  
> I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problemsyou mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them the "Normals".  It makes it sound so much more Orwellian.  ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. 
>  
> Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof".  I have no idea how many of us have noticeableautonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
>  
> You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.  Monitoryourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up,yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures.  (I also have temperatureand blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer,but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If you find
> theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
>  
> When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures.  With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows.  When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up.  You will also see thatyour body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often.  So you will have to take readings over a long period of time tounderstand how your body works.  I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long term exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
>  
> It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't.  It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.  Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good info here in the past year to share withothers.  Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
>  
> I wish you the best,
> Diane
>
> --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: svetaswan <svetaswan@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Stephen,
>
> Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses.
>
> I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effectiveway - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
>
> But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of monthsago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If thisever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.)
>
> So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangersof this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing.
>
> As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don'twork)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines tothe same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in thecase of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.
>
> As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue ofemf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it, though!
>
>
>
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>
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Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes

David Clover
Hi Svetaswan,



Sounds like you may have adrenal issues. If you have these you will
encounter low blood pressure issues, and experience dizziness, and get
light-heads. I had this problem last year, which is why I became
electrosensitive. Now my adrenals are gradually improving strength, I'm
virtually free of issues around EMF.



May I recommend the following products and ideas:



Deer Antler from Surthrival

Colostrum from Suthrival



http://www. <http://www.surthrival.com> surthrival.com





The deer antler will also help significantly in your anemia problem.
Anemia is not solely about iron deficiency. It can also be about shortage
of thinks such as manganese which helps your body produce iron or metabolise
iron supplements that you take.





Kidney and Adrenal Builder from Vitality Herbs and Clay.com



http://www.vitalityherbsandclay.com/herbs-and-herbal-formulas/view-all-produ
cts.html



I'd also suggest their Friendly Flora too. This helps provide good bacteria
in your body. It's possible that you may have viruses/bacteria in your
kidneys/adrenals that are undermining you. If you have any heavy metal
issues in your body, their clay products are ideal for dealing with these.






Both websites have great audios online, which will help you understand why
the products are good for you. I've had personal experience of using all
of them, so I can say they do definitely work/





It's also crucial to get a better quality of sleep so to re-charge yourself.




I can provide some more ideas if this helps



Regards

David



From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
svetaswan
Sent: 18 May 2010 05:27
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes







Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all
of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as
thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have
debilitatingly low mental energy.

You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that
biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia?
I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate
over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to
certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't
"officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in
the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the
"alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I
may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it
was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 -
291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.).
Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count,
hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had
"plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels
of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010)
bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse -
or at least hasn't improved.

My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a
problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way.
Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my
bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really
made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew
Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can
plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess
iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even
"normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So
the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic
radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons
(free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).

During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something
"interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme
fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became
cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad
that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in
the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to
the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I
had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that
I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I
thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right
when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times,
it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could*
have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, but it
didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this
reaction.

But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the
laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that
you describe?

Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at
the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was
Stephen! :)

~Svetaswan

P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also
noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I
thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing
diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad
emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Evie
<evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Svetaswan,
>
> I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems
you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I
like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian.
;) ) But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in
some public opinion.
>
> Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that
if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable
autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as
mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor
yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho,
until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if
you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
>
> You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor
yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and
then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up
with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that
you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might
be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means
little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find
temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also
that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar
changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most
reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely
you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely
be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you find
> theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS
disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics
and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
>
> When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp
is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go
down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer
exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what
causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with
supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your
body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this
often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to
understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking
bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will
try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures
are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and
stresses out.
>
> It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an
added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to
believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too,
Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the
warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.
We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't
give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.

>
> I wish you the best,
> Diane
>
> --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: svetaswan <svetaswan@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Stephen,
>
> Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;)
Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these
so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the
technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually
concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other
"normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the
masses.
>
> I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective
way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this
difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to
articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
>
> But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my
Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still
seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong
resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months
ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this
ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July
before it's done.)
>
> So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were
"ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally
validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may
be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the
dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive
than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe,
"welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid
that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully
investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress"
is doing.
>
> As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My
sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I
don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my
household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn
off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that
provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone
lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering
off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get
relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via
phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.
>
> As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in
2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in
their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT
technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've
never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my
computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue
of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any
symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and
said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean
that we shouldn't get rid of it, though!
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes

stephen_vandevijvere
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Hi Svetaswan,

You mention dizzy and light-headed,

I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144):

...
Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increaseyour vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content.
...

He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day.

About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high).

I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners).

For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have thesame thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies).

greets,
Stephen.



--- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts asthoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy.
>
> You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reactionto certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't"officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - butgoing by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved.
>
> My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic,even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
>
> During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench- which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when Iwas standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction.  
>
> But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of thelaptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe?  
>
> Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :)
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
> P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.
>
> --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Svetaswan,
> >  
> > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them the "Normals".  It makes it sound so much moreOrwellian.  ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. 
> >  
> > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof".  I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to monitoryourself to find out.  I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may see it as proof you are imagining thingsif you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
> >  
> > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you,and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rategoes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If youfind
> > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor forANS disorder testing.  (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> >  
> > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My normal restingbp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures.  With experience, I have found that this bp tankingis what causes the exhaustion which follows.  When I bring my bp back up(with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up.  You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often.  So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works.  I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long term exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my body can no longer dealwith it and stresses out.
> >  
> > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't.  It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.  Share withthem the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good info here in the past year to share withothers.  Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
> >  
> > I wish you the best,
> > Diane
> >
> > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Stephen,
> >
> > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses.
> >
> > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> >
> > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation withmy Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.)
> >
> > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may beahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive thanthe U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing.
> >
> > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.
> >
> > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it, though!
> >
> >
> >
> >      
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - adrenal fatigue & anemia

Svetaswan-2
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Thanks so much David for the feedback and for the ideas. Yeah - I've suspected that I've been in some stage of adrenal fatigue for a few years now. I've been trying to read up on it (my feeble mind permitting), and I've done a few saliva tests. The results weren't exactly straightforwardly indicative of adrenal problems...but test results can be complex....and, depending on how you interpret the results, one could possibly find adrenal fatigue"hidden" within my results.

One credo goes, "You treat the patient, not the lab results..."

There are at least a couple of practical self-tests that supposedly - depending on what the result of these self-tests are - are suggestive of adrenalfatigue. On one of the tests, you stand in a dark room (so that your pupils respond to the lack of light by dialating) - then shine a flashlight directly in one eye to see how your pupil responds. If your pupil doesn't stay contracted, it's supposedly suggestive of adrenal fatigue. Well, every time I do this test - my pupil doesn't stay contracted - it actually goes back to a dialated position after a few seconds. So I "fail" (or pass?) thistest every time. But could there be some other explanation why my pupil responds this way, besides adrenal fatigue?

But whenever I've done the second self-test - which tests blood pressure - I pretty much get the opposite result that you should get if you have adrenal fatigue. It's the test where you lie down for several minutes - then stand up to see how your body/blood pressure responds. If you stand up and feel lightheaded, dizzy, and/or "weak" - or if your blood pressure doesn't increase - it's suggestive of adrenal fatigue. Well, when I've done this test in the past - I don't really experience any lightheaded or dizzy feelings. One time (a few years ago), I even had someone test my blood pressure during this test - and it responded normally.

So, unless my adrenal fatigue has progressed to the point where I'm now experiencing the associated blood pressure problems (which is very possible, Iguess) - I'm inclined to think my spells of lightheadedness/weakness are caused by something else....like anemia(?). I'm just trying to keep my mindopen to other possibilities - it could be adrenal fatigue, or some other issue.

Maybe I should do that blood pressure test again. It seems that the other day, I lay on the floor of my bedroom for at least 30 minutes - and when I tried to get up, I experienced that "dizzy", "weak" feeling. Anemia? Adrenal fatigue? Combination of both? Something else entirely?

Another "clue" that seems to indicate anemia is - when you donate blood (via the Red Cross, for ex.) - nurses and other volunteers will often stand around you when you're done, and assist you in getting out of the reclining chair - just in case you're too weak to stand. This exact thing happened tome a few years ago when I donated blood - a male employee assisted me in getting up out of the chair, asked me if I was feeling o.k., etc.. At that point, I felt pretty good - despite having just given up a quart (?) of my blood!

I've been wanting to try some Adrenal Cortical Extract (ACE) - which seems to be pretty popular at a mercury-chelation group that I've visited in the past. But for some reason, I have it fixed in my head that I should deal with my computer/emf issues before I proceed with addressing underlying biological problems - this may be illogical, but I'm somehow focused on dealingwith emr. I realize that it's possible that, if I take something to improve my adrenal function - I could have a similar response that you have had.My emf problems could diminish.  

You mean to tell me that you could now trade in your Asrock Nettop for a huge Mac Pro tower, or the most offensive Dell laptop you can find (complete with wireless connectivity) - and still be o.k.? ;) Maybe if I got some cortisol in me, I wouldn't have to agonize over a computer purchase anymore - I could just buy any computer I want. One could dream. ;)

And finally, I realize that there are "alternative" explanations for anemia- i.e. low manganese (as you said). I've also heard/read about how an imbalance of gut flora could cause/contribute to the problem. Sometimes, taking iron supplements isn't the best way to fix anemia - it seems as though I've learned this the hard way. I've had negative reactions to high doses of iron - heck, here recently, even modest doses of iron have sometimes caused negative reactions. Maybe this is one reason why I feel like I have to deal with the emf problem before I address biological/nutritional issues - because my exposure to emfs could be adding to my "intolerance" of iron supplements. I want to see if some of the problems I've been having get better on their own with less exposure to bad emfs.  

~Svetaswan





--- In [hidden email], "David Clover" <davidc6162@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Svetaswan,
>
>  
>
> Sounds like you may have adrenal issues. If you have these you will
> encounter low blood pressure issues, and experience dizziness, and get
> light-heads. I had this problem last year, which is why I became
> electrosensitive. Now my adrenals are gradually improving strength, I'm
> virtually free of issues around EMF.  
>
>  
>
> May I recommend the following products and ideas:
>
>  
>
> Deer Antler from Surthrival
>
> Colostrum from Suthrival
>
>  
>
> http://www. <http://www.surthrival.com> surthrival.com
>
>  
>
>  
>
> The deer antler will also help significantly in your anemia problem.
> Anemia is not solely about iron deficiency. It can also be about shortage
> of thinks such as manganese which helps your body produce iron or metabolise
> iron supplements that you take.  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Kidney and Adrenal Builder from Vitality Herbs and Clay.com
>
>  
>
> http://www.vitalityherbsandclay.com/herbs-and-herbal-formulas/view-all-produ
> cts.html
>
>  
>
> I'd also suggest their Friendly Flora too. This helps provide good bacteria
> in your body. It's possible that you may have viruses/bacteria in your
> kidneys/adrenals that are undermining you. If you have any heavy metal
> issues in your body, their clay products are ideal for dealing with these.
>
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Both websites have great audios online, which will help you understand why
> the products are good for you. I've had personal experience of using all
> of them, so I can say they do definitely work/  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> It's also crucial to get a better quality of sleep so to re-charge yourself.
>
>
>  
>
> I can provide some more ideas if this helps
>
>  
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
>  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> svetaswan
> Sent: 18 May 2010 05:27
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
>
> Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all
> of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as
> thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have
> debilitatingly low mental energy.
>
> You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that
> biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia?
> I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate
> over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to
> certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't
> "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in
> the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the
> "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I
> may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it
> was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 -
> 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.).
> Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count,
> hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had
> "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels
> of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010)
> bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse -
> or at least hasn't improved.
>
> My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a
> problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way.
> Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my
> bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really
> made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew
> Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can
> plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess
> iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even
> "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So
> the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic
> radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons
> (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
>
> During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something
> "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme
> fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became
> cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad
> that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby benchin
> the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making itto
> the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I
> had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that
> I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I
> thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right
> when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times,
> it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could*
> have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, but it
> didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this
> reaction.
>
> But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the
> laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that
> you describe?
>
> Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at
> the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was
> Stephen! :)
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
> P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also
> noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher thanI
> thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing
> diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad
> emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.
>
> --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Evie
> <evie15422@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Svetaswan,
> >  
> > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems
> you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I
> like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian.
> ;) ) But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in
> some public opinion.  
> >  
> > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that
> if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable
> autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as
> mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor
> yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho,
> until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining thingsif
> you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
> >  
> > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor
> yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and
> then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goesup
> with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that
> you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might
> be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means
> little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find
> temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also
> that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar
> changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most
> reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely
> you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely
> be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you find
> > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS
> disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics
> and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> >  
> > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp
> is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go
> down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer
> exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what
> causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with
> supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your
> body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this
> often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to
> understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking
> bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will
> try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures
> are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and
> stresses out.
> >  
> > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an
> added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to
> believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too,
> Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the
> warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.
> We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't
> give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
> >  
> > I wish you the best,
> > Diane
> >
> > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Stephen,
> >
> > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;)
> Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these
> so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the
> technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually
> concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other
> "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the
> masses.
> >
> > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective
> way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this
> difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to
> articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> >
> > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation withmy
> Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still
> seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong
> resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months
> ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this
> ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July
> before it's done.)
> >
> > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were
> "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally
> validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may
> be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the
> dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive
> than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe,
> "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid
> that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully
> investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress"
> is doing.
> >
> > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My
> sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I
> don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my
> household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn
> off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that
> provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone
> lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering
> off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get
> relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via
> phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.
> >
> > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in
> 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which isin
> their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT
> technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've
> never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my
> computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue
> of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any
> symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and
> said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean
> that we shouldn't get rid of it, though!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hi Stephen,

Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visitedother stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) anddidn't have the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values- I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it's the right choice).  

Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need more salt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that I need more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more positively to mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I'vefound pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.)

Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, andif a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - andfollow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would benice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets.

I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into.

~Svetaswan



--- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Svetaswan,
>
> You mention dizzy and light-headed,
>
> I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144):
>
> ...
> Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to loseweight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content.
> ...
>
> He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day.
>
> About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist onthis. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what en when you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you havehypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerant to insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high).
>
> I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have an influence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat onlylow-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners).
>
> For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level is much better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to have the same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the lastyear and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tj perm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people must have the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies).
>
> greets,
> Stephen.
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll takeall of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy.
> >
> > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs uponthat biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technicallyin the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had "plummeted" toabout 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at leasthasn't improved.
> >
> > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 -and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this hasreally made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similarreasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
> >
> > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I wasgoing to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right whenI was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction.  
> >
> > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe?  
> >
> > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (orat the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :)
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
> > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than Ithought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > >  
> > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.  (Hugs) (Lol  I like to call them the "Normals".  It makes it sound so much more Orwellian.  ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. 
> > >  
> > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and usethat if you do for "proof".  I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
> > >  
> > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goesup, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If you find
> > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> > >  
> > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When I feel ill from bad emfs,it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than thatwith longer exposures.  With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows.  When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up.  You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can dothis often.  So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works.  I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long term exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
> > >  
> > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't.  It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.  Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good info here in the past year to share with others.  Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
> > >  
> > > I wish you the best,
> > > Diane
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Stephen,
> > >
> > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses.
> > >
> > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> > >
> > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.)
> > >
> > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were"ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing.
> > >
> > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone inthe case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.
> > >
> > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, whichis in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECTtechnology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I'venever noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed anysymptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed andsaid "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it, though!
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Re: Diet + TJ Perm. (was: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop)

stephen_vandevijvere
Hey Svetaswan,

In general, I think, that a balanced Special Carbohydrate Diet is the best possible diet. Paleolithic/Caveman diet is almost the same or even better. They also emphasize you should eat local and seasonal foods.

First I think you should check all your intolerances and allergies. Kinesiology seems to work very well (and surprisingly accurate) for checking my intolerances. Most important food-allergies are probably grains, dairy, pesticides and food additives. Probably not a coincidence our ancestors didn't eat that more than 10,000 years ago (Paleolithic era) and althus not in the Paleolithic diet! Some milk was consumed then but Diane told me that the genes of the cows have changed so much a copple of centuries ago we don't have the same milk anymore (except from the Guernsey cows!)

So checking your intolerances/allergies is also a good test whether the Special Carbohydrate diet would be very good for you (actually I think everybody would benefit from Special Carbohydrate Diet).

If you're not in balance (like me for instance!) you need extra Stimuli. And Stimuli can be food, herbs but almost anything: Quantum, music, homeopathy, medicins, supplements,... To find out what Stimuli we need is as we all know already, the most difficult part!

A fast switch from one diet to another should be avoided, because your bodyneeds time to adjust.

About the water and your symptoms in the Apple store. It's possible that the emf worsens your symptoms and that dehydration is one of the underlying problems...

Concerning the salt, well I'm also checking this further for myself. It might be that you do need some extra salt in your diet but you're intolerant to some salts. First I thought I was intolerant to some fish but in kinesiology it seems it's sea salt I'm intolerant to!

About tj permeability you should check it out. I can send you some links and info. You mention somewhere that you weren't good with taking Iron. Well Iron seems to be bad for tj perm. (scientifically proven!). Diane also saidshe wasn't good with Iron and she has tj perm.

You also mention you're taking Calcium. Well that's I think the only way tocheck whether you have tj perm. I wouldn't take any Calcium for one week. Then check your Calcium-level with a blood test. Immediately after the blood test you take some Calcium (AEP) (without Magnesium), do you feel better,do you have more energy...? If you do feel a difference with taking the Calcium and your Calcium level was NOT low when you took your first Calcium-supplements, it seems likely you have tj perm in some degree.

You can not check tj perm with your blood Ca-levels. But ideally you shouldcheck your Ca-levels because if you're low on Calcium the positive effect you're experiencing from taking the Calcium may not be caused by the tj perm...!

Researchers say it's mainly gluten that causes tj perm. I think if we should all skip on one thing in our diet it should be gluten! There are also quite a lot of people that have recovered tremendously by switching to non-gluten...

Stephen.



--- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@...> wrote:

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>
>
> Hi Stephen,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. It's possible that dehydration could have played a role in my reaction inside of the Apple Store - but then again, I visited other stores (i.e. stood in an aisle full of LCD TVs for a long while) and didn't have the same reaction. But I'm afraid that my computer addiction and emf "crisis" has had the side effect of me neglecting my dietary values - I haven't been eating and hydrating myself as I should. Maybe I'll get back on track when I finally decide on a "better" computer (provided it'sthe right choice).  
>
> Yeah - and it's been said that many people with adrenal fatigue need moresalt...but in general, I haven't found that to be the case with me. I've tried to listen to my body...and I don't think my body is telling me that Ineed more salt/sodium. In fact, when I tried taking the sodium ascorbate form of Vitamin C (which is highly recommended by some) - there were signs that my body didn't like it. My body seems to respond much more positivelyto mixed mineral ascorbates, magnesium ascorbate, & calcium ascorbate. (I've found pure ascorbic acid to be too "acidic" for me.)
>
> Before I got sidetracked by my emf crisis - I had been slowly trying to investigate ways to determine if I have a problem with gluten intolerance, and if a gluten-free, and/or casein-free diet would benefit me. Some "experts" even recommend that you take gluten-free/casein-free a step farther - and follow a "Specific Carbohydrate Diet". Following these type of exclusion diets would be *major* work and involve a lot of sacrifice - so it would be nice if there was a test or something in which I could find out definitively if I would benefit from one (or more) of these exclusion diets.
>
> I don't know anything about "tight junction permeability" - I guess that's something else I'll have to look into.
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> ~Svetaswan
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> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
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> > Hi Svetaswan,
> >
> > You mention dizzy and light-headed,
> >
> > I'm copy/pasting from "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" (Bestseller for 20 years by Dr Batmanghelidj, page 144):
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> > ...
> > Also, dizzyness and feeling faint may be indicators of salt and water shortage in the body. If such occasions arise, you should also begin to increase your vitamin and mineral intake, particularly if you are dieting to lose weight and are not including vegetables and fruits with water-soluble vitamin and mineral content.
> > ...
> >
> > He advises to drink 8 glasses of water each day and half a teaspoon (3 grams) of salt in your diet/day.
> >
> > About the blood sugar levels, maybe you should go and see a specialist on this. I would check it a couple of times each day and write down what enwhen you've eaten... If you have problems with your pancreas, first you have hypoglykemia (too low in the morning), then hyperinsulinemia (intolerantto insulin, I seem to have this now, so I have to watch out too) and then diabetes (too high).
> >
> > I think if you adjust your diet you can have a big impact on this. I don't know EMF if has a big influence on blood sugar levels (well EMF have aninfluence on everything I think!), but try if it gets better if you eat only low-carbs (no grains and no sweeteners).
> >
> > For me it was very difficult to eat not so much sweetened yoghurt, biscuits,... It felt more of a physical necessity (which seems common with those having hyperinsulinemia). Now I'm on Calcium each day, my energy level ismuch better and the need for unhealthy stuff is kinda gone. I seem to havethe same thing as Diane is buzzing about ;-) namely "tight junction permeability". I had times that when my es was exceptionally high I just had to take some dairy/Calcium and it immediately got better. But I'm allergic to caseine, so I'm skipping on dairy now. My eye sight was also very bad the last year and is much better when I take Calcium. I don't know if you have tjperm. but I just wanted to mention this, because I think other people musthave the same thing without knowing so. It sees very common with those that are intolerable to gluten (or with a lot of intolerances/allergies).
> >
> > greets,
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote:
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> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy.
> > >
> > > You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia? I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I maybe functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork -but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved.
> > >
> > > My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealingwith a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008- and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/ironlevels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
> > >
> > > During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction.  
> > >
> > > But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front ofthe laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that you describe?  
> > >
> > > Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :)
> > >
> > > ~Svetaswan
> > >
> > > P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher thanI thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bademfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Svetaswan,
> > > >  
> > > > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them the "Normals".  It makes it sound so muchmore Orwellian.  ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn inthe past year or two in some public opinion. 
> > > >  
> > > > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof".  I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (asmentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho, until you work it out.  They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
> > > >  
> > > > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most peoplewill agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respirationchanges, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  Ifyou find
> > > > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctorfor ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> > > >  
> > > > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures.  With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows.  When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up.  You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this often.  So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works.  I often can get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long term exposures are more meaningful.  After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
> > > >  
> > > > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't.  It is most helpful if you can get people to believe you, if you can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.  Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good info here in the past year to share with others.  Don't give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
> > > >  
> > > > I wish you the best,
> > > > Diane
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
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> > > > Hi Stephen,
> > > >
> > > > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses.
> > > >
> > > > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed tothis difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people toarticulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> > > >
> > > > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.)
> > > >
> > > > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finallyvalidate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" isdoing.
> > > >
> > > > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. Mysleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so Idon't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relieffrom WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.
> > > >
> > > > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not beforemy computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it, though!
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Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes

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Hi, Svetaswan,
 
Sorry I am so far behind in my email.  Just getting to this post you addressed to me 10 days ago!  (Sorry this is long, but I am relating various problems we here mention often in one email.)
 
As to your question on whether I know a direct relationship between anemia and ES....
Well, I know a very good indirect relationship--celiac disease/gluten intolerance.  Also, later in this email I will try to explain a relationship which may relate to iron—namely tight junction channelopathy which goes along with your Andy Cutler theory. 
 
With CD/GI, the gut/gut tjs (tight junctions) are often damaged at thevery place iron is carried across into your blood (this is also true of B12, and various other nutrients.  This thwarts proper uptake of the iron and B12, etc, into the cells and so iron, etc, often ends up gettingdumped un-usably into the blood stream.  This is due to the nutrientslacking the proper carrier proteins to get them into the cells.  (Forme, this constant iron dumping into the blood stream also led to too much iron in the liver and liver cirrhosis.) 
 
CD is a genetic disease which causes the protein, zonulin, to be released in abnormally high amounts when a person with the necessary genes consumes more than 50 parts/million of a gluten-containing food (I suspect the 50ppm is not exactly correct, but this is a long and controverial subject.  I find it is just best to avoid ALL GLUTEN  and  glutencontaminations). 
 
ANYWAY....  when zonulin is released in the abnormally high amounts, it causes the tjs (tight junctions) of the gut to open.  Once the zonulin and glutens enter the blood stream, they become "ZOT"--"zonulin occult toxin".  The ZOT then attacks the tjs of particular organs and the blood-brain barrier.  How does this play into ES, you ask?  Research has been done which suggests that EMFS also do the samething--they open the tjs of the bbb (and possibly other organs. I am not sure whether anyone knows this at this time, whether other organs' tjs are affected or just the BBB).  But that is not the ONLY connection with ES.  (Read on.) 
 
TJs are not supposed to open.  And in CD/some GIs (gluten intolerances), the tjs can eventually get damaged to the extent that they no longer close.  This is called "ion channelopathy" disease.  I mean, opening tjs and tjs which no longer close are a type of ion channelopathy disease.  There are at least 100 currently known channelopathy diseases.  Many of those relate specifically to in-operational tjs.  I have long noticed a relationship between people who get ES and a tendency toward gluten intolerance here at this forum.  I am *not* saying that everyone here has celiac disease or gluten-intolerance.  I am saying that everyone here has similarities in tight junction dysfunction and POSSIBLY some here have also celiac disease or gluten intolerance.  There are, however, also various bacteria and cigularia (a fish toxin) which cause ZOT and tj damage.  
 
I would give you, Sveta, a higher than average probability of CD/GI or one of these other zot issues, due to your also having the serious problems with anemia that you have mentioned.  It is worth a test to see, Sveta, if you haven't yet gone there, but you cannot have accurate blood tests or biopsy once you go gf.  (Actually I do remember reading that you are going gf, the question tho is whether you are TOTALLY gf.  For those with extensive tj bbb damage, it is likely they would needto even go gf with toiletries/etc and eat only foods made in a dedicated facility to avoid glutens, but unfortunately, the tests might still not be accurate.)  If you ever have problems sticking to the gf diet, Sveta, just remember that CD and GIs are notorious for causing various organ diseases, and in particular, auto-immune diseases.  CD led to my pancreas, liver, and lung problems before I was dxed.  I nearly died from liver failure and anaphylaxis multiple
times.  I also had osteoporosis and multiple auto-immune and other nutritional diseases.  [Of course, this is only true if you are so unlucky as to possess the genes!  But needless to say, I have plenty of impetus to keep me on the straight and narrow.  ;)]
 
Following the tj channelopathy idea a bit further down the road.... CFS/ME is thought to be channelopathy related.  It looks like CFS/ME is sometimes (for at least a subset of people) a result of ANS disorder (autonomic nervous system disorder) or adrenal dysfunction.  ANS disorder, for me, is caused directly by emfs and it worsens, as well, with gluten consumption.  Your fatigue could be ANS disorder related (especially if you later can prove a connection with falling blood pressure).  The blood sugar is also related to this, as is chills, sweats, heart palps, temp changes, etc....  There is also an adrenal/ hormonal connection…. 
 
As I understand it, the adrenals send serotonin signals out to communicate between the hypothalamus and autonomic nervous system, but serotonin is being “dumped”, metabolically in some people with CFS/ME.  That is to say, high serotonin metabolites are being found in the urineof some people with CFS/ME.  (I am one of those people.)  The ANS/sympathetic ns do not then work correctly for these people.  It is not understood whether this is caused by excess stress or faulty communication in the body or…  The adrenals and lymphatics also use all the same nutrients, so if one system is over worked, the other will also suffer.  I see fibromyalgia as a problem directly connected with a dysfunctional lymphatic system.  So you see, it all goes round and round.  All is connected. 
 
In searching channelopathy and tj research, one can see multiple ways our various health problems interconnect.  Metals are not utilized and do not store correctly in people with tj channelopathy often, either.   If memory serves, this takes place due to a deficiency in metalothionienes which causes mercury/some other metal hoarding and odd other metalstorage issues.  Often tj proteins are also faulty—especiallythe claudens proteins.  Faulty claudens proteins have their own dysfunctionality associated with them; for one thing, the polarity of cells become reversed.  It is complicated, but all is intertwined, like a massive health labyrinth.
 
Sorry to hear about your anemia woes, Sveta!  I can relate, having nearly died several times, from age 18 to 49, from anemias (pernicious and iron-deficiency).  My ferritin level was sometimes as low as 2 on the same ferritin test you mention.  Btw, I don't know if this will relate toyou or not, but the hematologist found that my hemoglobin count was an inaccurate test for iron, for me.  Apparently, from years of anemia, my body found a new way to utilize iron--sort of like "automatic direct with-drawal" from a savings account in a bank.  When I got seriously low in ferritin iron, my hemoglobin was still often quite high, as a result.  I mention this because many docs these days use ONLY the hemoglobin count as a reliable measure.  If hemoglobin is high in relation to the actual ferritin stores, you could find yourself near death before a doctor would notice it.  [The importance of this was brought home tome last year when I accidently
severed an artery and my ER docs couldn't figure out why my hemoglobin count was not tanking after 4 hours of unsuccessfully trying to stop my bleeding!  (Obviously I was not gushing for 4 hours, but they could not totally stop bleeding for 4 hours/most of that time I was tourniqueted.)]
 
You ask specifically if your reaction at the Apple Store sounded like blood-pressure plummeting.  Well, no, if you have anemia, it is likely anemia--but they feel alot alike.  If you have a feeling of internal bodily "pressure" which accompanies these other feelings you describe, then it could be blood pressure related.  The "pressure" comes from yourbody trying to raise your bp back up, often not adequately or even totallyfailing to do so.
 
I have also read of the connection you mention re Andy Cutler's theory.  I have no concrete info on that to send right now other than what I have just shared, but if I stumble back upon it I will try to remember tosend it to you.  It makes sense and fits right into the tj profile ofmetal hoarding and then having storage issues with other metals, which is already known to exist.  I have asked many times in the past if otherswanted me to share my specific tj research findings (as I find it; after Ifind it and move on, all I have is a file of honking long research studies!)  Until recently, nobody seemed interested in any of this research so I never sent specifics.  If I know people actually will read it, I will share excerpts and sites as I find them.
 
Sorry, speaking of honking long!  Lololol…..
 
Best wishes,
Diane
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From: svetaswan <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 12:27 AM


 





Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take allof this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have debilitatingly low mental energy.

You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia?I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in the"normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the "alternativehealth" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it was 12 or 13ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 - 291 ng/mL. Itis recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.). Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count, hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had "plummeted" to
about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010) bloodwork - butgoing by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse - or at least hasn't improved.

My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way. Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. AndrewCutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excessiron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even"normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).

During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby bench in the mall. Duringthe second episode, I had a *really* hard time making it to the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I had to stop andgrip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I thought it wasmy anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times, it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could* have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, but it didn't. I
wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this reaction.

But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure thatyou describe?

Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was Stephen! :)

~Svetaswan

P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher than I thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad emfs,or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

>
> Hi, Svetaswan,
>  
> I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problemsyou mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta.  (Hugs)  (Lol  I like to call them the "Normals".  It makes it sound so much more Orwellian.  ;)  )   But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in some public opinion. 
>  
> Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that if you do for "proof".  I have no idea how many of us have noticeable autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (asmentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS.  It is so easy to monitor yourself to find out.  I would not tell anyone what you aredoing, tho, until you work it out.  They may see it as proof you are imagining things if you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
>  
> You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor.  Monitor yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs.  My heart rate goes up with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs.  Most people will agree that you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might be a sign you are upset, etc....  The heart rate is the same--it means little to people if that changes, usually.  But you might be able to find temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also that accompany bad emf exposures.  (I also have temperature and blood sugar changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most reliable for me.)  If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely be a less profound finding than tanking bp.  If you find
> theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS disorder testing.  (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
>  
> When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly.  My normal resting bp is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85.  When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer exposures.  With experience, I have found thatthis bp tanking is what causes the exhaustion which follows.  When I bring my bp back up (with supplements), the exhaustion also clears up.  You will also see that your body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and tosome degree it can do this often.  So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to understand how your body works.  I oftencan get the lowest reading taking bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will try and succeed in bringing my bp back up.  This is why long term exposures are more meaningful.  After awhile, my body can no longer deal with it and stresses out.
>  
> It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an added obstacle when you don't.  It is most helpful if you canget people to believe you, if you can.  Give them as much computer info as you can too, Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles.  Share with them the warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regardinggreen (CFL) bulbs, etc.  We have had good info here in the past year to share with others.  Don't give reams of info--just one or2 good articles at a time.
>  
> I wish you the best,
> Diane
>
> --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: svetaswan <svetaswan@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Stephen,
>
> Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;) Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the masses.
>
> I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effectiveway - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
>
> But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation with my Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of monthsago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If thisever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July before it's done.)
>
> So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the dangersof this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe, "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress" is doing.
>
> As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I don'twork)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone lines tothe same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via phone in thecase of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.
>
> As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which is in their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue ofemf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean that we shouldn't get rid of it, though!
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Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - adrenal fatigue & anemia

evie15422
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Thanks, Sveta!
 
I did not know this about the self test!  I have had the pupil response you describe for years.  I often notice it without being in a closet, etc.  That said, I doubt that I would have it 100% of the time.  The same is true with the bp problems.  Even I (tho I have very noticeable and profound bp plummeting often) sometimes react completely normally.  If you feel the "pressure" I mentioned in the last email, try to take your bp then.  Just because you some time ago or even sometimes react normally, it doesn't rule out that you sometimes do not (especially around particular emfs).
 
As to your intolerance of iron, yet your obvious lack of iron....  If you remember what I wrote last email about iron dumping un-usably into the blood stream and then poisoning the liver, that would account for the intolerance, but need.  When I had a ferritin count of 2, I had anaphylaxis and I nearly died in the doc's office, to ferritin injections.  My body had sensitized itself so completely to iron in any form, dueto the degree of my liver failure, that the only way we could stabilize myiron was thru blood transfusions from family members. 
 
Which reminds me of someone else here.... Stephen!  Stephen, you have various problems like this.  Intolerance to manganese, and some blood tests which are too high, tho often findings of the opposite in hair samples.  Same with sodium chloride....  Maybe your gut is the real problem!  Obviously I have, in the past 10 years, had a great deal of good gut intervention, not just a gf diet.  It's not easy,but it can be done.  Gf diet, gut flora, nutrients all play a part.  BTW, Sveta, celiac researchers have found that SIBO (small intestinal bowel overgrowth) often accompanies untreated CD.  Some docs think this is also true of candida overgrowths.
 
I would specifically love to see ES research done to clear up whether emfs affect the gut, lungs, and liver and whether people with tj dysfunction are THE ONLY people who get our particular brand of ES.  (I am of the mind that many more people have ES, it is just not the kind which isas readily noticeable.)
 
Thanks again for the info, Sveta,
Diane

--- On Tue, 5/18/10, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: svetaswan <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - adrenal fatigue & anemia
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 9:52 PM


 





Thanks so much David for the feedback and for the ideas. Yeah - I've suspected that I've been in some stage of adrenal fatigue for a few years now. I've been trying to read up on it (my feeble mind permitting), and I've done a few saliva tests. The results weren't exactly straightforwardly indicative of adrenal problems...but test results can be complex....and, depending on how you interpret the results, one could possibly find adrenal fatigue "hidden" within my results.

One credo goes, "You treat the patient, not the lab results..."

There are at least a couple of practical self-tests that supposedly - depending on what the result of these self-tests are - are suggestive of adrenalfatigue. On one of the tests, you stand in a dark room (so that your pupils respond to the lack of light by dialating) - then shine a flashlight directly in one eye to see how your pupil responds. If your pupil doesn't stay contracted, it's supposedly suggestive of adrenal fatigue. Well, every timeI do this test - my pupil doesn't stay contracted - it actually goes back to a dialated position after a few seconds. So I "fail" (or pass?) this test every time. But could there be some other explanation why my pupil responds this way, besides adrenal fatigue?

But whenever I've done the second self-test - which tests blood pressure - I pretty much get the opposite result that you should get if you have adrenal fatigue. It's the test where you lie down for several minutes - then stand up to see how your body/blood pressure responds. If you stand up and feel lightheaded, dizzy, and/or "weak" - or if your blood pressure doesn't increase - it's suggestive of adrenal fatigue. Well, when I've done this test in the past - I don't really experience any lightheaded or dizzy feelings. One time (a few years ago), I even had someone test my blood pressure during this test - and it responded normally.

So, unless my adrenal fatigue has progressed to the point where I'm now experiencing the associated blood pressure problems (which is very possible, Iguess) - I'm inclined to think my spells of lightheadedness/weakness are caused by something else....like anemia(?). I'm just trying to keep my mind open to other possibilities - it could be adrenal fatigue, or some other issue.

Maybe I should do that blood pressure test again. It seems that the other day, I lay on the floor of my bedroom for at least 30 minutes - and when I tried to get up, I experienced that "dizzy", "weak" feeling. Anemia? Adrenalfatigue? Combination of both? Something else entirely?

Another "clue" that seems to indicate anemia is - when you donate blood (via the Red Cross, for ex.) - nurses and other volunteers will often stand around you when you're done, and assist you in getting out of the reclining chair - just in case you're too weak to stand. This exact thing happened to me a few years ago when I donated blood - a male employee assisted me in getting up out of the chair, asked me if I was feeling o.k., etc.. At that point, I felt pretty good - despite having just given up a quart (?) of my blood!

I've been wanting to try some Adrenal Cortical Extract (ACE) - which seems to be pretty popular at a mercury-chelation group that I've visited in the past. But for some reason, I have it fixed in my head that I should deal with my computer/emf issues before I proceed with addressing underlying biological problems - this may be illogical, but I'm somehow focused on dealing with emr. I realize that it's possible that, if I take something to improvemy adrenal function - I could have a similar response that you have had. My emf problems could diminish.

You mean to tell me that you could now trade in your Asrock Nettop for a huge Mac Pro tower, or the most offensive Dell laptop you can find (complete with wireless connectivity) - and still be o.k.? ;) Maybe if I got some cortisol in me, I wouldn't have to agonize over a computer purchase anymore - I could just buy any computer I want. One could dream. ;)

And finally, I realize that there are "alternative" explanations for anemia- i.e. low manganese (as you said). I've also heard/read about how an imbalance of gut flora could cause/contribute to the problem. Sometimes, takingiron supplements isn't the best way to fix anemia - it seems as though I've learned this the hard way. I've had negative reactions to high doses of iron - heck, here recently, even modest doses of iron have sometimes caused negative reactions. Maybe this is one reason why I feel like I have to dealwith the emf problem before I address biological/nutritional issues - because my exposure to emfs could be adding to my "intolerance" of iron supplements. I want to see if some of the problems I've been having get better on their own with less exposure to bad emfs.

~Svetaswan

--- In [hidden email], "David Clover" <davidc6162@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Svetaswan,
>
>
>
> Sounds like you may have adrenal issues. If you have these you will
> encounter low blood pressure issues, and experience dizziness, and get
> light-heads. I had this problem last year, which is why I became
> electrosensitive. Now my adrenals are gradually improving strength, I'm
> virtually free of issues around EMF.
>
>
>
> May I recommend the following products and ideas:
>
>
>
> Deer Antler from Surthrival
>
> Colostrum from Suthrival
>
>
>
> http://www. <http://www.surthrival.com> surthrival.com
>
>
>
>
>
> The deer antler will also help significantly in your anemia problem.
> Anemia is not solely about iron deficiency. It can also be about shortage
> of thinks such as manganese which helps your body produce iron or metabolise
> iron supplements that you take.
>
>
>
>
>
> Kidney and Adrenal Builder from Vitality Herbs and Clay.com
>
>
>
> http://www.vitalityherbsandclay.com/herbs-and-herbal-formulas/view-all-produ
> cts.html
>
>
>
> I'd also suggest their Friendly Flora too. This helps provide good bacteria
> in your body. It's possible that you may have viruses/bacteria in your
> kidneys/adrenals that are undermining you. If you have any heavy metal
> issues in your body, their clay products are ideal for dealing with these.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Both websites have great audios online, which will help you understand why
> the products are good for you. I've had personal experience of using all
> of them, so I can say they do definitely work/
>
>
>
>
>
> It's also crucial to get a better quality of sleep so to re-charge yourself.
>
>
>
>
> I can provide some more ideas if this helps
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
>
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> svetaswan
> Sent: 18 May 2010 05:27
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the response and for the great suggestions Diane - I'll take all
> of this into consideration. Unfortunately I cannot answer your posts as
> thoroughly/completely as I'd like to - because I continue to have
> debilitatingly low mental energy.
>
> You seem to know a lot about human biology and the effects of emfs upon that
> biology, etc.. Do you happen to know of any link between emfs and anemia?
> I've noticed that my anemia has worsened at a seemingly-accelerated rate
> over the past year or two - and I wonder if my body's increased reaction to
> certain emfs has contributed to this. A couple of years ago - I wasn't
> "officially" anemic - my hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc. - were technically in
> the "normal" range. I was however "warned" by those who go by the
> "alternative health" credo that I was in the "pre-anemia" stage or that I
> may be functionally anemic, anyway - because my ferritin was pretty low (it
> was 12 or 13 ng/mL at the time - the typical range is something like 10 -
> 291 ng/mL. It is recommended by some that your ferritin be at least 40.).
> Well, when I had bloodwork about a year ago - my red blood cell count,
> hemoglobin, hematocrit levels were below normal, and my ferritin had
> "plummeted" to about 6. (It seems that in 2006, 2007, and 2008 - the levels
> of these values held relatively steady.) I haven't had any recent (2010)
> bloodwork - but going by my symptoms, I suspect my anemia has gotten worse -
> or at least hasn't improved.
>
> My anemia could have a straightfoward explanation - I've been dealing with a
> problem that could definitely cause/contribute to anemia in an obvious way.
> Then again, I was dealing with this same problem in 2007 and 2008 - and my
> bloodwork stayed pretty consistent during those years. So this has really
> made me wonder if something else may be contributing to my anemia. Andrew
> Cutler claims that, when someone is mercury toxic - ferritin/iron levels can
> plummet because it's the body's way of reducing oxidative stress (excess
> iron can cause oxidative stress - and when the body is mercury toxic, even
> "normal" levels of iron can act as a "synergistic toxin" with mercury. So
> the body loses what it can - the iron.). So I'm wondering if electromagnetic
> radiation could also cause the body to "dump" iron - for similar reasons
> (free radicals, oxidative stress, etc.).
>
> During two different visits to the Apple Store, I noticed something
> "interesting". At a certain point - I developed a sudden case of extreme
> fatigue. It's hard to describe the feeling...my lower body became
> cramped/weak, I felt sort-of "dizzy" and/or "lightheaded"....it was so bad
> that I felt the need to leave the store and take a rest on a nearby benchin
> the mall. During the second episode, I had a *really* hard time making itto
> the bench - which was only about 15 or 20 feet from the store entrance. I
> had to stop and grip a rail to rest/steady myself, which made me afraid that
> I was going to faint or collapse from the fatigue. My legs felt "gone". I
> thought it was my anemia - and I wondered why it decided to "act up" right
> when I was standing in front of the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Both times,
> it happened when I was in front of a Macbook or a Macbook Pro. It *could*
> have happened while I was standing in front of, say, the Mac Mini, but it
> didn't. I wondered if it was something about the laptops that caused this
> reaction.
>
> But you mention the blood-pressure reaction...my reaction in front of the
> laptops seems like it could have been the sudden drop of blood pressure that
> you describe?
>
> Btw, I remember emailing someone on eSens while I was in the middle (or at
> the end) of one of my "spells" inside the Apple Store - I believe it was
> Stephen! :)
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
> P.S. - in 2009, on the same bloodwork that revealed my anemia - I also
> noticed that my fasting glucose level was on the high side....higher thanI
> thought it should be. It made me worry that I was on my way to developing
> diabetes. I've since found out (reinforced by your message) about how bad
> emfs, or "dirty electricity", could raise blood sugar levels.
>
> --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Evie
> <evie15422@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Svetaswan,
> >
> > I suspect that we with ES (and MCS, CFS, FMS....) all have these problems
> you mention with normal people; you are not alone, Sveta. (Hugs) (Lol I
> like to call them the "Normals". It makes it sound so much more Orwellian.
> ;) ) But I have been seeing a bit of a turn in the past year or two in
> some public opinion.
> >
> > Also, you should try to see if you have bp/heart rate changes and use that
> if you do for "proof". I have no idea how many of us have noticeable
> autonomic nervous system changes, but almost all of our symptoms (as
> mentioned by others here) can relate to the ANS. It is so easy to monitor
> yourself to find out. I would not tell anyone what you are doing, tho,
> until you work it out. They may see it as proof you are imagining things if
> you cannot elicit meaningful readings.
> >
> > You just buy a good quality blood pressure/heart rate monitor. Monitor
> yourself when you feel your best, then when you feel "normal" for you, and
> then again when you feel really stressed out by emfs. My heart rate goes up
> with bad emfs, and my bp tanks with bad emfs. Most people will agree that
> you can't psychologically control tanking bp--if it goes up, yes; that might
> be a sign you are upset, etc.... The heart rate is the same--it means
> little to people if that changes, usually. But you might be able to find
> temperature changes, blood sugar changes, respiration changes, etc, also
> that accompany bad emf exposures. (I also have temperature and blood sugar
> changes which show when I check them, but the bp is the easiest and most
> reliable for me.) If you experience chills after emf exposure, it is likely
> you can elicit temperature differences on a thermometer, but it will likely
> be a less profound finding than tanking bp. If you find
> > theae changes to be the case, however, you can also go to a doctor for ANS
> disorder testing. (But these docs do not yet recognise emfs from electrics
> and cell towers as causal to this disorder.)
> >
> > When I say my bp tanks, btw, I mean significantly. My normal resting bp
> is between 110 and 120/ 80 to 85. When I feel ill from bad emfs, it can go
> down to 60/40 in 20 mins and I have had even lower than that with longer
> exposures. With experience, I have found that this bp tanking is what
> causes the exhaustion which follows. When I bring my bp back up (with
> supplements), the exhaustion also clears up. You will also see that your
> body tries to right itself, bp-wise, and to some degree it can do this
> often. So you will have to take readings over a long period of time to
> understand how your body works. I often can get the lowest reading taking
> bp when I feel my worst, but if I wait even a couple minutes, my body will
> try and succeed in bringing my bp back up. This is why long term exposures
> are more meaningful. After a while, my body can no longer deal with it and
> stresses out.
> >
> > It is empowering when you have people who support you and it becomes an
> added obstacle when you don't. It is most helpful if you can get people to
> believe you, if you can. Give them as much computer info as you can too,
> Sveta--show them the research and magazine articles. Share with them the
> warning that Sweden (?) gave its citizens regarding green (CFL) bulbs, etc.
> We have had good info here in the past year to share with others. Don't
> give reams of info--just one or 2 good articles at a time.
> >
> > I wish you the best,
> > Diane
> >
> > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: svetaswan <svetaswan@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop - WiFi woes
> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:39 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Stephen,
> >
> > Well, my parents' "normalcy" certainly isn't doing me any good. ;)
> Sometimes "normal" is overrated - a lot of harm is being done by these
> so-called "normal" people sitting in board rooms making decisions about the
> technology that is supposedly "safe" for everyone (but what they're actually
> concerned about is what is more profitable to them). And there are other
> "normal" people in power making some evil, selfish decisions that harm the
> masses.
> >
> > I suppose I do have trouble verbalizing my symptoms in the most effective
> way - the frustrating thing about it is that e.s. has contributed to this
> difficulty. So e.s. itself makes it more difficult for some people to
> articulate their e.s.. It can be a real quagmire.
> >
> > But just today, I did receive a bit of hope - from my conversation withmy
> Dad, he seems to be more open to the idea of getting rid of WiFi. He still
> seems to think that it's "all in my head" - but I didn't receive the strong
> resistance to the idea of dismantling WiFi that I did a couple of months
> ago. We'll see where this goes - I hope it wasn't just idle talk. (If this
> ever gets done, it won't be done right away - it will be at least June/July
> before it's done.)
> >
> > So your parents have come around - I guess they now see that you were
> "ahead of your time". :) I guess it feels good to have the media finally
> validate what you've been feeling and knowing for years. I think Europe may
> be ahead of the U.S. when it comes to considering - and acting on - the
> dangers of this wireless technology. Then again, Europe is more progressive
> than the U.S. when it comes to many matters of public welfare (In Europe,
> "welfare" doesn't seem to be a bad word like it is over here.). I'm afraid
> that America is just too full of selfish, profit-mongering folks to fully
> investigate or admit to the harm that all of this "technological progress"
> is doing.
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> > As far as unplugging the WiFi at night - well, it's complicated. My
> sleep-wake cycle is really messed up and irregular (I'm on disability so I
> don't work)...often, I'm sleeping during the time when someone else in my
> household is awake (and using the computer). When I have been able to turn
> off WiFi, though - I've noticed a definite relief. Also, the company that
> provides our wireless internet got the *bright idea* to hook up the phone
> lines to the same device that sends out our wireless signal - so, powering
> off the WiFi router also means turning off our phone lines. So, to get
> relief from WiFi - it means risking someone not being able to reach us via
> phone in the case of an emergency. It's a really messed-up situation.
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> > As far as owning a DECT phone - well, I may be guilty as charged. Back in
> 2006, I bought my parents a cordless phone (with a base station, which isin
> their bedroom) for Christmas. I'm guessing that this phone uses DECT
> technology - it works too well for it not to be "dangerous", lol. But I've
> never noticed any symptoms from the cordless phone - at least not before my
> computer-induced e.s. got out of hand and I became more aware of the issue
> of emf. And when I asked my mom a couple of months ago if she noticed any
> symptoms from the base station being right beside her bed, she laughed and
> said "no". No apparent sleep difficulites. ..nothing. It still doesn't mean
> that we shouldn't get rid of it, though!
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