SSD drives - worth the cost for emf-reduction?

>
>
> Hi all,
>
> First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to contribute to
> the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with energy-draining
> problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a nightmare to
> live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
>
> Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of people in
> the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic website for one)
> has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) - because they
> supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional hard-disk drives.
> I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is there a big
> difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and a 500GB
> SSD?
>
> Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices for these
> SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra $650 for
> their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For the prices
> to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs and their
> supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs give
> "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased battery life
> and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep the laptop
> cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's near-silence on
> this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up" such an
> expensive device more.
>
> I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead to a big
> difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components that give
> off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive contribute
> to this "electrosmog"? Are hard drives constantly spinning as long as the
> computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when they aren't
> needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
>
> What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the wireless
> card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each computer
> component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute to
> bothersome emissions.)
>
> Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion of SSDs on
> here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven't found them
> that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the technology is
> still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
>  
>

>
> I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
>
> I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> just get an external drive for when you need it.
>
> If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> or the OS will have problems.
>
> If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> My machine does not need the fan except with
> heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> disabled.
>
> If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to contribute to
> > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with energy-draining
> > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a nightmare to
> > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> >
> > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of peoplein
> > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic website for one)
> > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) - becausethey
> > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional hard-disk drives.
> > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is there a big
> > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and a 500GB
> > SSD?
> >
> > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices for these
> > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra $650 for
> > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For the prices
> > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs and their
> > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs give
> > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased battery life
> > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep the laptop
> > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's near-silence on
> > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up" such an
> > expensive device more.
> >
> > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead to a big
> > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components that give
> > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive contribute
> > to this "electrosmog"? Are hard drives constantly spinning as long as the
> > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when they aren't
> > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> >
> > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the wireless
> > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each computer
> > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute to
> > bothersome emissions.)
> >
> > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion of SSDson
> > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven't found them
> > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the technology is
> > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
> >  
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
>
>
>
> I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of disk
> drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers produce
> more emr than SSD controllers?
>
> And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably more (I
> got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to last at
> least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides the cost)-
> after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how SSDs
> perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the only two words that
> Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
>
> What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for their Mac Minis
> - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the option of attaching a
> (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/ USB
> extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the computer.
> (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I don't
> like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt for the
> back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
>
> Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a Mac Mini
> without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be if I
> spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put a SSD
> inside of a Mac Mini for me?
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> <wbruno@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> >
> > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> >
> > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > or the OS will have problems.
> >
> > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > disabled.
> >
> > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> contribute to
> > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with energy-draining
> > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a nightmare
> to
> > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > >
> > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of people
> in
> > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic website for
> one)
> > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) - because
> they
> > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional hard-disk
> drives.
> > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is there a
> big
> > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and a
> 500GB
> > > SSD?
> > >
> > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices for
> these
> > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra $650 for
> > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For the
> prices
> > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs and
> their
> > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs give
> > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased battery
> life
> > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep the
> laptop
> > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's near-silence
> on
> > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up" such
> an
> > > expensive device more.
> > >
> > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead to a big
> > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components that
> give
> > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> contribute
> > > to this "electrosmog"? Are hard drives constantly spinning as long as
> the
> > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when they
> aren't
> > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > >
> > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> wireless
> > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each computer
> > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute to
> > > bothersome emissions.)
> > >
> > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion of SSDs
> on
> > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven't found
> them
> > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the
> technology is
> > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > >
> > > ~Svetaswan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>

>
> There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers (or
> possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding in this case
> with a HD.
>
> I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
>
> Bill
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of disk
> > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers produce
> > more emr than SSD controllers?
> >
> > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably more (I
> > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to last at
> > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides the cost) -
> > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how SSDs
> > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the only two wordsthat
> > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> >
> > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for their Mac Minis
> > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the option of attaching a
> > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/ USB
> > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the computer.
> > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I don't
> > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt for the
> > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> >
> > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a Mac Mini
> > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be if I
> > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put a SSD
> > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > >
> > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > >
> > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > or the OS will have problems.
> > >
> > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > disabled.
> > >
> > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > contribute to
> > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with energy-draining
> > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a nightmare
> > to
> > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > >
> > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of people
> > in
> > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic website for
> > one)
> > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) - because
> > they
> > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional hard-disk
> > drives.
> > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is there a
> > big
> > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and a
> > 500GB
> > > > SSD?
> > > >
> > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices for
> > these
> > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra $650for
> > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For the
> > prices
> > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs and
> > their
> > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs give
> > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased battery
> > life
> > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep the
> > laptop
> > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's near-silence
> > on
> > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up" such
> > an
> > > > expensive device more.
> > > >
> > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead to abig
> > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components that
> > give
> > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > contribute
> > > > to this "electrosmog"? Are hard drives constantly spinning as long as
> > the
> > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when they
> > aren't
> > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > >
> > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > wireless
> > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each computer
> > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute to
> > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > >
> > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion of SSDs
> > on
> > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven't found
> > them
> > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the
> > technology is
> > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > >
> > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
>
> About the Mac Mini,
>
> On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi receiver
> and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
>
> I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently also
> on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
>
> A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough
> to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So you should
> actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can do that
> in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
>
> I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
>
> Stephen.
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> <wbruno@...> wrote:
> >
> > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers
> (or
> > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding in this
> case
> > with a HD.
> >
> > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of disk
> > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers
> produce
> > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > >
> > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably more
> (I
> > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to last
> at
> > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides the
> cost) -
> > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how SSDs
> > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the only two words
> that
> > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > >
> > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for their Mac
> Minis
> > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the option of
> attaching a
> > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/ USB
> > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the
> computer.
> > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I
> don't
> > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt for the
> > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > >
> > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a Mac Mini
> > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be ifI
> > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put a
> SSD
> > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > >
> > > ~Svetaswan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > >
> > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > >
> > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > >
> > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > disabled.
> > > >
> > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > contribute to
> > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with
> energy-draining
> > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a
> nightmare
> > > to
> > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of
> people
> > > in
> > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic website
> for
> > > one)
> > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) -
> because
> > > they
> > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional hard-disk
> > > drives.
> > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is
> there a
> > > big
> > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and a
> > > 500GB
> > > > > SSD?
> > > > >
> > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices
> for
> > > these
> > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra $650
> for
> > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For the
> > > prices
> > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs
> and
> > > their
> > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs
> give
> > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased
> battery
> > > life
> > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep
> the
> > > laptop
> > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's
> near-silence
> > > on
> > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up"
> such
> > > an
> > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead toa
> big
> > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components
> that
> > > give
> > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > contribute
> > > > > to this "electrosmog"? Are hard drives constantly spinning as long
> as
> > > the
> > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when
> they
> > > aren't
> > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > >
> > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > wireless
> > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each
> computer
> > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute
> to
> > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion of
> SSDs
> > > on
> > > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven't
> found
> > > them
> > > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the
> > > technology is
> > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>

>
> About the Mac Mini,
>
> On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
>
> I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently also on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
>
> A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enoughto put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So you should actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can do that in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
>
> I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
>
> Stephen.
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
> >
> > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers(or
> > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding in this case
> > with a HD.
> >
> > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of disk
> > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers produce
> > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > >
> > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably more (I
> > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to last at
> > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides the cost) -
> > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how SSDs
> > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the only two words that
> > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > >
> > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for their MacMinis
> > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the option of attaching a
> > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/ USB
> > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the computer.
> > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I don't
> > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt for the
> > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > >
> > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a Mac Mini
> > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be ifI
> > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put a SSD
> > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > >
> > > ~Svetaswan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > >
> > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > >
> > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > >
> > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > disabled.
> > > >
> > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > contribute to
> > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with energy-draining
> > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a nightmare
> > > to
> > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of people
> > > in
> > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic websitefor
> > > one)
> > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) - because
> > > they
> > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional hard-disk
> > > drives.
> > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is there a
> > > big
> > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and a
> > > 500GB
> > > > > SSD?
> > > > >
> > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices for
> > > these
> > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra $650 for
> > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For the
> > > prices
> > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDsand
> > > their
> > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs give
> > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased battery
> > > life
> > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keepthe
> > > laptop
> > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's near-silence
> > > on
> > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up" such
> > > an
> > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead toa big
> > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components that
> > > give
> > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > contribute
> > > > > to this "electrosmog"? Are hard drives constantly spinning as long as
> > > the
> > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when they
> > > aren't
> > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > >
> > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > wireless
> > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each computer
> > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contributeto
> > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion of SSDs
> > > on
> > > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven't found
> > > them
> > > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the
> > > technology is
> > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

>
>
>
>
> You mean that I would have to go through the extra trouble of actually
> removing the WiFi hardware? What a pain! Actually, I thought that I wanted
> the "security" of my computer being at least WiFi enabled, even if I don't
> plan to use it. Although my house has one ethernet connection - it's never
> been used/tested, and our WiFi has generally proven to be reliable. I wanted
> to have WiFi as a "backup" - at least until I work out any possible "kinks"
> in my ethernet connection and I'm confident that the ethernet connection
> will be solid.
>
> And Apple seems to make disabling WiFi/bluetooth so easy and user-friendly.
> When I tried to search for the WiFi-disabling function on my brother's
> laptop (Windows 7), I couldn't find it.
>
> Why would a device that is turned *off* still emit radiation? Are you sure
> that it's enough radiation to be significant?
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
> >
> > About the Mac Mini,
> >
> > On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi
> receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
> >
> > I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently
> also on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
> >
> > A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough
> to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So you should
> actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can do that
> in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
> >
> > I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> <wbruno@> wrote:
> > >
> > > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers
> (or
> > > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding in this
> case
> > > with a HD.
> > >
> > > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of
> disk
> > > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers
> produce
> > > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > > >
> > > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably
> more (I
> > > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to
> last at
> > > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides the
> cost) -
> > > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how
> SSDs
> > > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the only two
> words that
> > > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > > >
> > > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for their Mac
> Minis
> > > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the option of
> attaching a
> > > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/
> USB
> > > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the
> computer.
> > > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I
> don't
> > > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt for the
> > > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a Mac Mini
> > > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be if
> I
> > > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put
> a SSD
> > > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > > >
> > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > > disabled.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > > contribute to
> > > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with
> energy-draining
> > > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a
> nightmare
> > > > to
> > > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of
> people
> > > > in
> > > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic website
> for
> > > > one)
> > > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) -
> because
> > > > they
> > > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional
> hard-disk
> > > > drives.
> > > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is
> there a
> > > > big
> > > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and
> a
> > > > 500GB
> > > > > > SSD?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices
> for
> > > > these
> > > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra
> $650 for
> > > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For
> the
> > > > prices
> > > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs
> and
> > > > their
> > > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs
> give
> > > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased
> battery
> > > > life
> > > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep
> the
> > > > laptop
> > > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's
> near-silence
> > > > on
> > > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up"
> such
> > > > an
> > > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead to
> a big
> > > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components
> that
> > > > give
> > > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > > contribute
> > > > > > to this "electrosmog"? Are hard drives constantly spinning as
> long as
> > > > the
> > > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when
> they
> > > > aren't
> > > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > > wireless
> > > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each
> computer
> > > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute
> to
> > > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion
> of SSDs
> > > > on
> > > > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven't
> found
> > > > them
> > > > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the
> > > > technology is
> > > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

>
>
>
> You mean that I would have to go through the extra trouble of actually removing the WiFi hardware? What a pain! Actually, I thought that I wanted the "security" of my computer being at least WiFi enabled, even if I don't plan to use it. Although my house has one ethernet connection - it's neverbeen used/tested, and our WiFi has generally proven to be reliable. I wanted to have WiFi as a "backup" - at least until I work out any possible "kinks" in my ethernet connection and I'm confident that the ethernet connection will be solid.  
>
> And Apple seems to make disabling WiFi/bluetooth so easy and user-friendly. When I tried to search for the WiFi-disabling function on my brother's laptop (Windows 7), I couldn't find it.
>
> Why would a device that is turned *off* still emit radiation? Are you sure that it's enough radiation to be significant?
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >
> > About the Mac Mini,
> >
> > On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
> >
> > I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently also on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
> >
> > A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So you shouldactually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can do thatin the shop if they're a little bit handy...
> >
> > I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
> > >
> > > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers (or
> > > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding in this case
> > > with a HD.
> > >
> > > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of disk
> > > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers produce
> > > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > > >
> > > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably more (I
> > > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to last at
> > > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides thecost) -
> > > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how SSDs
> > > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the only two words that
> > > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > > >
> > > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for their Mac Minis
> > > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the option of attaching a
> > > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/ USB
> > > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the computer.
> > > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I don't
> > > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt for the
> > > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a Mac Mini
> > > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be if I
> > > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put a SSD
> > > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > > >
> > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > > disabled.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > > contribute to
> > > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with energy-draining
> > > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a nightmare
> > > > to
> > > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of people
> > > > in
> > > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic website for
> > > > one)
> > > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) -because
> > > > they
> > > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional hard-disk
> > > > drives.
> > > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is there a
> > > > big
> > > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and a
> > > > 500GB
> > > > > > SSD?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices for
> > > > these
> > > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra $650 for
> > > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) Forthe
> > > > prices
> > > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs and
> > > > their
> > > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs give
> > > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased battery
> > > > life
> > > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep the
> > > > laptop
> > > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's near-silence
> > > > on
> > > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up" such
> > > > an
> > > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead to a big
> > > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop componentsthat
> > > > give
> > > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > > contribute
> > > > > > to this "electrosmog"? Are hard drives constantly spinning as long as
> > > > the
> > > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning whenthey
> > > > aren't
> > > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > > wireless
> > > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each computer
> > > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute to
> > > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussionof SSDs
> > > > on
> > > > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven'tfound
> > > > them
> > > > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the
> > > > technology is
> > > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

>
> I was trying to say that as far as I know, turning it off
> is sufficient, except that in my experience it will mysteriously turn itself
> on again a few times per year. Someone had asked about
> removing it, which I have done on the laptop just because it
> was easy.
>
> Bill
>
> On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 5:30 PM, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You mean that I would have to go through the extra trouble of actually
> > removing the WiFi hardware? What a pain! Actually, I thought that I wanted
> > the "security" of my computer being at least WiFi enabled, even if I don't
> > plan to use it. Although my house has one ethernet connection - it's never
> > been used/tested, and our WiFi has generally proven to be reliable. I wanted
> > to have WiFi as a "backup" - at least until I work out any possible "kinks"
> > in my ethernet connection and I'm confident that the ethernet connection
> > will be solid.
> >
> > And Apple seems to make disabling WiFi/bluetooth so easy and user-friendly.
> > When I tried to search for the WiFi-disabling function on my brother's
> > laptop (Windows 7), I couldn't find it.
> >
> > Why would a device that is turned *off* still emit radiation? Are you sure
> > that it's enough radiation to be significant?
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> > >
> > > About the Mac Mini,
> > >
> > > On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi
> > receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
> > >
> > > I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently
> > also on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
> > >
> > > A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough
> > to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So you should
> > actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can do that
> > in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
> > >
> > > I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
> > >
> > > Stephen.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers
> > (or
> > > > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding in this
> > case
> > > > with a HD.
> > > >
> > > > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of
> > disk
> > > > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers
> > produce
> > > > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > > > >
> > > > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably
> > more (I
> > > > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to
> > last at
> > > > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides the
> > cost) -
> > > > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how
> > SSDs
> > > > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the only two
> > words that
> > > > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for theirMac
> > Minis
> > > > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the option of
> > attaching a
> > > > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/
> > USB
> > > > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the
> > computer.
> > > > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I
> > don't
> > > > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt for the
> > > > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a Mac Mini
> > > > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be if
> > I
> > > > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put
> > a SSD
> > > > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > > > disabled.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > > > contribute to
> > > > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with
> > energy-draining
> > > > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a
> > nightmare
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a coupleof
> > people
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic website
> > for
> > > > > one)
> > > > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops)-
> > because
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional
> > hard-disk
> > > > > drives.
> > > > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is
> > there a
> > > > > big
> > > > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and
> > a
> > > > > 500GB
> > > > > > > SSD?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices
> > for
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra
> > $650 for
> > > > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For
> > the
> > > > > prices
> > > > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs
> > and
> > > > > their
> > > > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs
> > give
> > > > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased
> > battery
> > > > > life
> > > > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep
> > the
> > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's
> > near-silence
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up"
> > such
> > > > > an
> > > > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead to
> > a big
> > > > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components
> > that
> > > > > give
> > > > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > to this "electrosmog"? Are hard drives constantly spinning as
> > long as
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when
> > they
> > > > > aren't
> > > > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > > > wireless
> > > > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each
> > computer
> > > > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute
> > to
> > > > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion
> > of SSDs
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven't
> > found
> > > > > them
> > > > > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the
> > > > > technology is
> > > > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi Svetaswan,
>
> Concerning wifi in your house, you know it emits a lot of emf… Even if you don't "feel" it, you would better get rid of it asap (together with dect phone if you have one).
>
> Regards removing the Wifi-hardware in your pc, Diane and Snoshoe say you should. I'm copy pasting from their messages:
>
>
> -Snoshoe wrote:
>
> I just learned something about a week ago though.- Laptops with wifi, when you
> turn them off are not really off, and still transmitting for ?length of time.
> It was being talked about as a way for thieves to detect laptops in cars with
> some gadget, by picking up it's emitting for wifi.
>
> A bit like your cell phone is off, but it's not really all the way off.
> Cell phone you could put in a lead shielded bag made for film, and it won't
> receive, when not in use.
>
>
> -Diane wrote:
>
> Hi, Snoshoe,
> Â
> That was why Dell techs helped me remove the cards (wifi and broadband) from my
> computer altogether. They told me the cards cannot be totally turned off.Â
> The switches that computers have to turn them off only dampen the signal.Â
> Otherwise they are always capable of receiving signals.
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > You mean that I would have to go through the extra trouble of actually removing the WiFi hardware? What a pain! Actually, I thought that I wanted the "security" of my computer being at least WiFi enabled, even if I don't plan to use it. Although my house has one ethernet connection - it's never been used/tested, and our WiFi has generally proven to be reliable. I wanted to have WiFi as a "backup" - at least until I work out any possible "kinks" in my ethernet connection and I'm confident that the ethernet connection will be solid.  
> >
> > And Apple seems to make disabling WiFi/bluetooth so easy and user-friendly. When I tried to search for the WiFi-disabling function on my brother's laptop (Windows 7), I couldn't find it.
> >
> > Why would a device that is turned *off* still emit radiation? Are you sure that it's enough radiation to be significant?
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> > >
> > > About the Mac Mini,
> > >
> > > On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
> > >
> > > I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparentlyalso on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
> > >
> > > A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So you should actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can do that in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
> > >
> > > I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
> > >
> > > Stephen.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers (or
> > > > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding in this case
> > > > with a HD.
> > > >
> > > > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types ofdisk
> > > > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers produce
> > > > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > > > >
> > > > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferablymore (I
> > > > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple tolast at
> > > > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides the cost) -
> > > > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how SSDs
> > > > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the only twowords that
> > > > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for theirMac Minis
> > > > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the option of attaching a
> > > > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/ USB
> > > > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the computer.
> > > > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I don't
> > > > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt for the
> > > > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a Mac Mini
> > > > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be if I
> > > > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put a SSD
> > > > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > > > disabled.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > > > contribute to
> > > > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with energy-draining
> > > > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a nightmare
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a coupleof people
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic website for
> > > > > one)
> > > > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops)- because
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional hard-disk
> > > > > drives.
> > > > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is there a
> > > > > big
> > > > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and a
> > > > > 500GB
> > > > > > > SSD?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices for
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra $650 for
> > > > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For the
> > > > > prices
> > > > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs and
> > > > > their
> > > > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs give
> > > > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased battery
> > > > > life
> > > > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep the
> > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's near-silence
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up" such
> > > > > an
> > > > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead to a big
> > > > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components that
> > > > > give
> > > > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > to this "electrosmog"? Are hard drives constantly spinning aslong as
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when they
> > > > > aren't
> > > > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > > > wireless
> > > > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each computer
> > > > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute to
> > > > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion of SSDs
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven't found
> > > > > them
> > > > > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the
> > > > > technology is
> > > > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
>
>
> Well, that's welcome news that simply turning the WiFi off seems sufficient. I was primarily reacting (or overreacting?) not to your information, but to Stephen's post regarding the necessity of removing the WiFi from the computer. My struggle with the effects of e.s. has made me kind-of an obsessive worrywart when it comes to finding the "right" computer-setup. I guess that's what can happen when there is seemingly no computer without potential "flaws". I'm constantly trying to weigh the pros and cons - the lesser of the evils. Which "imperfections" could I live with, and which ones would give me problems? And I have to balance "alleviating" my e.s. problemswith other concerns (economic, ergonomic).
>
> At this point, I know some type of compromise is going to have to be madesomewhere. Take for example switching power supplies...unless you get a laptop and run them off of batteries all of the time, I don't think there isany way to avoid a switching power supply in a computer. One could try to replace the switching power supply with a linear one - but I have nowhere near the technical expertise to do this, plus I wouldn't want to do anythingto void the warranty of my computer. And since I have "real world" evidence that some type of desktop computer could actually work better for me than a laptop - there is the unavoidable reality that I could have to use a switching power supply.
>
> Speaking of switching power supplies - do you use the switching power supply that comes with the Mac Mini? If so, do you find it problematic?
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
> >
> > I was trying to say that as far as I know, turning it off
> > is sufficient, except that in my experience it will mysteriously turn itself
> > on again a few times per year. Someone had asked about
> > removing it, which I have done on the laptop just because it
> > was easy.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 5:30 PM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You mean that I would have to go through the extra trouble of actually
> > > removing the WiFi hardware? What a pain! Actually, I thought that I wanted
> > > the "security" of my computer being at least WiFi enabled, even if I don't
> > > plan to use it. Although my house has one ethernet connection - it's never
> > > been used/tested, and our WiFi has generally proven to be reliable. Iwanted
> > > to have WiFi as a "backup" - at least until I work out any possible "kinks"
> > > in my ethernet connection and I'm confident that the ethernet connection
> > > will be solid.
> > >
> > > And Apple seems to make disabling WiFi/bluetooth so easy and user-friendly.
> > > When I tried to search for the WiFi-disabling function on my brother's
> > > laptop (Windows 7), I couldn't find it.
> > >
> > > Why would a device that is turned *off* still emit radiation? Are yousure
> > > that it's enough radiation to be significant?
> > >
> > > ~Svetaswan
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > About the Mac Mini,
> > > >
> > > > On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi
> > > receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
> > > >
> > > > I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently
> > > also on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
> > > >
> > > > A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough
> > > to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So you should
> > > actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can dothat
> > > in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
> > > >
> > > > I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
> > > >
> > > > Stephen.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers
> > > (or
> > > > > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding inthis
> > > case
> > > > > with a HD.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > > > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of
> > > disk
> > > > > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers
> > > produce
> > > > > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably
> > > more (I
> > > > > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to
> > > last at
> > > > > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besidesthe
> > > cost) -
> > > > > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how
> > > SSDs
> > > > > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > > > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the only two
> > > words that
> > > > > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for their Mac
> > > Minis
> > > > > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > > > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the option of
> > > attaching a
> > > > > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/
> > > USB
> > > > > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the
> > > computer.
> > > > > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I
> > > don't
> > > > > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt forthe
> > > > > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a MacMini
> > > > > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple wouldbe if
> > > I
> > > > > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put
> > > a SSD
> > > > > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > > > > disabled.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > > > > contribute to
> > > > > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with
> > > energy-draining
> > > > > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a
> > > nightmare
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of
> > > people
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic website
> > > for
> > > > > > one)
> > > > > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) -
> > > because
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional
> > > hard-disk
> > > > > > drives.
> > > > > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are.Is
> > > there a
> > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and
> > > a
> > > > > > 500GB
> > > > > > > > SSD?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices
> > > for
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra
> > > $650 for
> > > > > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.)For
> > > the
> > > > > > prices
> > > > > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs
> > > and
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase thatSSDs
> > > give
> > > > > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased
> > > battery
> > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep
> > > the
> > > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's
> > > near-silence
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up"
> > > such
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead to
> > > a big
> > > > > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components
> > > that
> > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > > to this "electrosmog"? Are hard drives constantly spinning as
> > > long as
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when
> > > they
> > > > > > aren't
> > > > > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > > > > wireless
> > > > > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each
> > > computer
> > > > > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute
> > > to
> > > > > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion
> > > of SSDs
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven't
> > > found
> > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the
> > > > > > technology is
> > > > > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

>
>
>
> Hi Stephen - like I've said before, if it were up to me, I would have ridthe house of WiFi long ago. But I'm not in control of many household decisions, since I live with my parents. So far, I've had terrible luck in convincing my parents that WiFi is dangerous and has given me some alarming symptoms. They think it's all in my head - a figment of paranoia. This "impasse" has only added to my stress and to the various health problems I'm dealing with.
>
> This situation is emblematic of how life can, well, suck. Supposedly, e.s. can be related to having mercury-amalgam fillings - to "amalgam illness". Well, even prior to my realization that I was e.s. - there were signs that I've paid a steep price, healthwise, for all of the amalgam fillings that were placed into my mouth (not to mention the 2-plus years of regular allergy shots I had as a young teen - which exposed me to more mercury). Obviously, I was just a kid - utterly powerless to make any type of informed decision on the risks of mercury-amalgam fillings and thimerosol(sp.)-containing shots. The adults in my life - namely, my mother - made those decisions for me. Being a kid, I was really not equipped to do anything but passively comply with the medical/dental decisions that were made. I implicitly trusted that my mother was making a safe, informed choice - and that no harm would come to me for sitting in a dentist's chair.  
>
> Evidently, I was victimized by my mother's poor choices and by the "system". And it's like I'm being victimized all over again by my mother's dismissive attitude regarding what the mercury that *she* decided to expose me to has done, and by her refusal to believe me and help me alleviate the symptoms that have possibly been caused by the mercury that *she* allowed to enter my body. I would be more "forgiving" of my mother's ill-fated choices if she were more willing to take seriously the strong possibility that mercury-"poisoning" has contributed to my problems - but she's tormenting me with her dismissive accusations that I'm "crazy" for thinking that mercury-damage & electrosensitivity are real.
>
> Aside from our mercury/WiFi battles - I'm living with two parents who just don't share my values/beliefs on health-matters. For ex., my mother seesno value in getting shower filters (chronic, long-term exposure to chlorinated water is not a problem to her). When I wanted a shower filter for thebathroom I use, she wouldn't allow me to buy one. And my parents don't take other health precautions; i.e. fried commercial corn chips are a prominent part of their snacking choices, my mother uses margarine on her toast every day, they choose to quench their thirst with diet sodas all of the time(my mom never drinks any water, it seems). Although my Dad is in his '60s- he evidently sees no problem with snacking on bags of cheap candy - *pure sugar*. There are just many things wrong with that.
>
> They just aren't as careful about what they eat as I try to be (emphasis on "try" - frequently, I fall far short of my ideals!). So if they don't really care about the health-related things that even mainstream medicine warns us about - I guess it's pretty hopeless that they would care about things that the mainstream doesn't (yet) acknowledge as a problem.  
>
> And it seems that my mom is far more interested in making cosmetic renovations to our house - things you can *see* - than she is in making certain "invisible", health-related improvements to our house. She considers it much more worth her while to buy a new painting, or new furniture - than buying a quality water filter, or getting rid of WiFi, or working on improving our home's air-quality, or filtering "dirty electricity".  
>
> Sorry for the rant. And it's bad timing - it being Mother's Day and all.It can just be tremendously frustrating to be powerless in having to liveunder someone else's less-conscious health-values - and to know that something is doing you harm, but be powerless in doing something about it.
>
> I know it's baffling to group members that a fellow member of this group has WiFi in their home - the assumption being that it's a choice that's fully under my control. Well, sadly, it is a matter that is out of my control.
>
> ~Svetaswan
>    
>
> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Svetaswan,
> >
> > Concerning wifi in your house, you know it emits a lot of emf… Even if you don't "feel" it, you would better get rid of it asap (together with dect phone if you have one).
> >
> > Regards removing the Wifi-hardware in your pc, Diane and Snoshoe say you should. I'm copy pasting from their messages:
> >
> >
> > -Snoshoe wrote:
> >
> > I just learned something about a week ago though.- Laptops with wifi, when you
> > turn them off are not really off, and still transmitting for ?length oftime.
> > It was being talked about as a way for thieves to detect laptops in cars with
> > some gadget, by picking up it's emitting for wifi.
> >
> > A bit like your cell phone is off, but it's not really all the way off.
> > Cell phone you could put in a lead shielded bag made for film, and it won't
> > receive, when not in use.
> >
> >
> > -Diane wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Snoshoe,
> > Â
> > That was why Dell techs helped me remove the cards (wifi and broadband)from my
> > computer altogether. They told me the cards cannot be totally turned off.Â
> > The switches that computers have to turn them off only dampen the signal.Â
> > Otherwise they are always capable of receiving signals.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You mean that I would have to go through the extra trouble of actually removing the WiFi hardware? What a pain! Actually, I thought that I wanted the "security" of my computer being at least WiFi enabled, even if I don't plan to use it. Although my house has one ethernet connection - it's never been used/tested, and our WiFi has generally proven to be reliable. Iwanted to have WiFi as a "backup" - at least until I work out any possible"kinks" in my ethernet connection and I'm confident that the ethernet connection will be solid.  
> > >
> > > And Apple seems to make disabling WiFi/bluetooth so easy and user-friendly. When I tried to search for the WiFi-disabling function on my brother's laptop (Windows 7), I couldn't find it.
> > >
> > > Why would a device that is turned *off* still emit radiation? Are you sure that it's enough radiation to be significant?
> > >
> > > ~Svetaswan
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > About the Mac Mini,
> > > >
> > > > On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
> > > >
> > > > I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently also on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
> > > >
> > > > A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So you should actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can do that in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
> > > >
> > > > I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
> > > >
> > > > Stephen.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers (or
> > > > > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding inthis case
> > > > > with a HD.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > > > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of disk
> > > > > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers produce
> > > > > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably more (I
> > > > > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to last at
> > > > > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besidesthe cost) -
> > > > > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how SSDs
> > > > > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > > > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the only two words that
> > > > > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for their Mac Minis
> > > > > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > > > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the option of attaching a
> > > > > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/ USB
> > > > > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the computer.
> > > > > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I don't
> > > > > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt forthe
> > > > > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a MacMini
> > > > > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple wouldbe if I
> > > > > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put a SSD
> > > > > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > > > > disabled.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > > > > contribute to
> > > > > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with energy-draining
> > > > > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a nightmare
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of people
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic website for
> > > > > > one)
> > > > > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) - because
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional hard-disk
> > > > > > drives.
> > > > > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are.Is there a
> > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and a
> > > > > > 500GB
> > > > > > > > SSD?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices for
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra $650 for
> > > > > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.)For the
> > > > > > prices
> > > > > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs and
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase thatSSDs give
> > > > > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased battery
> > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep the
> > > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's near-silence
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up" such
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead to a big
> > > > > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components that
> > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > > to this "electrosmog"? Are hard drives constantly spinning as long as
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when they
> > > > > > aren't
> > > > > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > > > > wireless
> > > > > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each computer
> > > > > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute to
> > > > > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion of SSDs
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven't found
> > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the
> > > > > > technology is
> > > > > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
>
>
> Well, that's welcome news that simply turning the WiFi off seems sufficient. I was primarily reacting (or overreacting? ) not to your information, but to Stephen's post regarding the necessity of removing the WiFi from the computer. My struggle with the effects of e.s. has made me kind-of an obsessive worrywart when it comes to finding the "right" computer-setup. I guessthat's what can happen when there is seemingly no computer without potential "flaws". I'm constantly trying to weigh the pros and cons - the lesser of the evils. Which "imperfections" could I live with, and which ones would give me problems? And I have to balance "alleviating" my e.s. problems withother concerns (economic, ergonomic).
>
> At this point, I know some type of compromise is going to have to be madesomewhere. Take for example switching power supplies...unless you get a laptop and run them off of batteries all of the time, I don't think there is any way to avoid a switching power supply in a computer. One could try to replace the switching power supply with a linear one - but I have nowhere near the technical expertise to do this, plus I wouldn't want to do anything to void the warranty of my computer. And since I have "real world" evidencethat some type of desktop computer could actually work better for me than a laptop - there is the unavoidable reality that I could have to use a switching power supply.
>
> Speaking of switching power supplies - do you use the switching power supply that comes with the Mac Mini? If so, do you find it problematic?
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
> >
> > I was trying to say that as far as I know, turning it off
> > is sufficient, except that in my experience it will mysteriously turn itself
> > on again a few times per year. Someone had asked about
> > removing it, which I have done on the laptop just because it
> > was easy.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 5:30 PM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You mean that I would have to go through the extra trouble of actually
> > > removing the WiFi hardware? What a pain! Actually, I thought that I wanted
> > > the "security" of my computer being at least WiFi enabled, even if I don't
> > > plan to use it. Although my house has one ethernet connection - it's never
> > > been used/tested, and our WiFi has generally proven to be reliable. Iwanted
> > > to have WiFi as a "backup" - at least until I work out any possible "kinks"
> > > in my ethernet connection and I'm confident that the ethernet connection
> > > will be solid.
> > >
> > > And Apple seems to make disabling WiFi/bluetooth so easy and user-friendly.
> > > When I tried to search for the WiFi-disabling function on my brother's
> > > laptop (Windows 7), I couldn't find it.
> > >
> > > Why would a device that is turned *off* still emit radiation? Are yousure
> > > that it's enough radiation to be significant?
> > >
> > > ~Svetaswan
> > >
> > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>,
> > > "stephen_vandevijve re" <stephen_vandevijve re@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > About the Mac Mini,
> > > >
> > > > On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi
> > > receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
> > > >
> > > > I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently
> > > also on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
> > > >
> > > > A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough
> > > to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So you should
> > > actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can dothat
> > > in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
> > > >
> > > > I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
> > > >
> > > > Stephen.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers
> > > (or
> > > > > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding inthis
> > > case
> > > > > with a HD.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > > > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of
> > > disk
> > > > > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers
> > > produce
> > > > > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably
> > > more (I
> > > > > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to
> > > last at
> > > > > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besidesthe
> > > cost) -
> > > > > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how
> > > SSDs
> > > > > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > > > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the only two
> > > words that
> > > > > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for their Mac
> > > Minis
> > > > > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > > > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the option of
> > > attaching a
> > > > > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/
> > > USB
> > > > > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the
> > > computer.
> > > > > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I
> > > don't
> > > > > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt forthe
> > > > > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a MacMini
> > > > > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple wouldbe if
> > > I
> > > > > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put
> > > a SSD
> > > > > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com> <eSens%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > > > > disabled.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > > > > contribute to
> > > > > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with
> > > energy-draining
> > > > > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a
> > > nightmare
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of
> > > people
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologic website
> > > for
> > > > > > one)
> > > > > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) -
> > > because
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional
> > > hard-disk
> > > > > > drives.
> > > > > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are.Is
> > > there a
> > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and
> > > a
> > > > > > 500GB
> > > > > > > > SSD?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but the prices
> > > for
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra
> > > $650 for
> > > > > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.)For
> > > the
> > > > > > prices
> > > > > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs
> > > and
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase thatSSDs
> > > give
> > > > > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased
> > > battery
> > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep
> > > the
> > > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's
> > > near-silence
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up"
> > > such
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives would lead to
> > > a big
> > > > > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components
> > > that
> > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > > to this "electrosmog" ? Are hard drives constantly spinningas
> > > long as
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when
> > > they
> > > > > > aren't
> > > > > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > > > > wireless
> > > > > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice if each
> > > computer
> > > > > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute
> > > to
> > > > > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion
> > > of SSDs
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > here at all - I don't know if that's a sign that people haven't
> > > found
> > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > that helpful in terms of e.s. symptoms, or simply because the
> > > > > > technology is
> > > > > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

>
> Hi, Stephen, Svetaswan, and All,
>  
> When I mentioned the necessity of removing the wifi (and Broadband!)cards from my computer, I was quoting Dell technicians, who I assume are more educated in such matters than most of us.  I was told specifically, that these cards are like "antennae".  And such, turning them on merely makes them "connect" to a "receiver" in your hardware portion of your computer.  Infact, tho, the connection when broken is only a wire's width apart, and, besides that, the emfs are still attracted to the "antenna" itself--the actual card.  The cards are just not hookedup to the "receiver" when you have the hardware switched off, or, in some cases, the card is laying flat instead of in an upright position and it is only the direction of the card which is changed.  (This would mean fewer emfs, because the direction of the antenna would then be different.)   
>  
> Will there be a noticeable difference if you leave the card in, but just disable it?  Yes, I saw a great difference from doing only this. However, I saw a greater difference from pulling the cards out entirely.  I kept one in for awhile--the broadband card; I could not tolerate the wifi one at all.  If I made sure the closest broadband tower (cell tower) was behind my computer and not behind me, I was relatively tolerant of it.  However, if I was in a place where it was necessary to use my computer with ME between the computer and the cell tower, it was extremely bothersome.
>  
> And, btw, Svetaswan, you mentioned not having a switch to turn off your wifi and broadband cards.  Sveta, you may not have an external switch, but every computer has an internal switch in the control panel under "hardware devices".  On my computer, you access it by clicking "Control Panel", then "System", then when that pops up, click the tab which says "Hardware", then on that page "Device Manager",that will bring up a long list of devices.  I then disabled my modems, network adaptors, and, anything pertaining to broadband and wifi.  Now understand, depending on how your computer is receiving internet currently, doing this on YOUR system might not work.  However, if you are receiving internet via an external modem box and ethernet cable (as I do), you will still be able to receive internet signals with these devices disabled.
>  
> Regarding computers in general and Dells, specifically.... I am amazed at the number of people here who buy computers and Dell computers, specifically, and NEVER call their technical departments for ES help!  Toshiba was no help when I called them for ES help.  But the Dell techs took me completely seriously, had a good general knowledge of how to help me, WERE CONCERNED ABOUT MY WELL BEING, and were greatly helpful.  So, don't trash Dell about its emfs.  Dell does not know how many people their computers are negatively affecting unless you call them for help. 
>  
> Yes, today and for you, they may not solve 100% of the problems; however,we worked on my computer for a full month--up to 5+ hours a day!  (I talked on the phone to them from another room while they did somethings remotely, and then for minutes at a time, I'd have to go into the room my computer was in and enter settings/check things out/etc myself.  The first week I did not spend more than an hour and a half each day working on my computer with them, because everything we did was hardware related (and I had to make all the changes myself).  The techies could actually tell when I was becoming too affected and neededto quit, and would ask me if I shouldn't stop awhile or if I thought I could go on.  The last two techies I spoke with were upset and concerned for me that I would need help (and whether I'd be able to get it) after my 30 day software warranty expired if I had later issues.  Btw, I took the broadband card out with hardware
> technical help 10 months after receiving my computer, because I had a year's warranty on my computer hardware, and I didn't want to void my warranty by removing it right away.  (Back then, they didn't require thewifi card, but did require the broadband card stay in for warranty purposes.  I imagine that now they would require the wifi card stay in for warranty purposes, too, due to its prevalence of use.)
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Mon, 5/10/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop (SSD drives - worth the cost for emf-reduction?)
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 11:19 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Concerning: you should remove the wifi hardware from your pc, the score is 2-1!
>
> Diane and Snoshoe say you should
> Bill says you shouldn't
>
> About the disavantage that a desktop can't work on batteries... Well maybe that's not so important because you can put your desktop some feet away from where you work and from some distance most es-ers won't feel the low freq. emf...
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@ ..> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, that's welcome news that simply turning the WiFi off seems sufficient. I was primarily reacting (or overreacting? ) not to your information,but to Stephen's post regarding the necessity of removing the WiFi from the computer. My struggle with the effects of e.s. has made me kind-of an obsessive worrywart when it comes to finding the "right" computer-setup. I guess that's what can happen when there is seemingly no computer without potential "flaws". I'm constantly trying to weigh the pros and cons - the lesserof the evils. Which "imperfections" could I live with, and which ones would give me problems? And I have to balance "alleviating" my e.s. problems with other concerns (economic, ergonomic).
> >
> > At this point, I know some type of compromise is going to have to be made somewhere. Take for example switching power supplies...unless you get a laptop and run them off of batteries all of the time, I don't think there is any way to avoid a switching power supply in a computer. One could try toreplace the switching power supply with a linear one - but I have nowhere near the technical expertise to do this, plus I wouldn't want to do anything to void the warranty of my computer. And since I have "real world" evidence that some type of desktop computer could actually work better for me than a laptop - there is the unavoidable reality that I could have to use a switching power supply.
> >
> > Speaking of switching power supplies - do you use the switching power supply that comes with the Mac Mini? If so, do you find it problematic?
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was trying to say that as far as I know, turning it off
> > > is sufficient, except that in my experience it will mysteriously turnitself
> > > on again a few times per year. Someone had asked about
> > > removing it, which I have done on the laptop just because it
> > > was easy.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 5:30 PM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You mean that I would have to go through the extra trouble of actually
> > > > removing the WiFi hardware? What a pain! Actually, I thought that Iwanted
> > > > the "security" of my computer being at least WiFi enabled, even if I don't
> > > > plan to use it. Although my house has one ethernet connection - it's never
> > > > been used/tested, and our WiFi has generally proven to be reliable.I wanted
> > > > to have WiFi as a "backup" - at least until I work out any possible"kinks"
> > > > in my ethernet connection and I'm confident that the ethernet connection
> > > > will be solid.
> > > >
> > > > And Apple seems to make disabling WiFi/bluetooth so easy and user-friendly.
> > > > When I tried to search for the WiFi-disabling function on my brother's
> > > > laptop (Windows 7), I couldn't find it.
> > > >
> > > > Why would a device that is turned *off* still emit radiation? Are you sure
> > > > that it's enough radiation to be significant?
> > > >
> > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > >
> > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>,
> > > > "stephen_vandevijve re" <stephen_vandevijve re@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > About the Mac Mini,
> > > > >
> > > > > On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi
> > > > receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently
> > > > also on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
> > > > >
> > > > > A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough
> > > > to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So you should
> > > > actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can do that
> > > > in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers
> > > > (or
> > > > > > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding in this
> > > > case
> > > > > > with a HD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > > > > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of
> > > > disk
> > > > > > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers
> > > > produce
> > > > > > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably
> > > > more (I
> > > > > > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to
> > > > last at
> > > > > > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides the
> > > > cost) -
> > > > > > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how
> > > > SSDs
> > > > > > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > > > > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the onlytwo
> > > > words that
> > > > > > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for their Mac
> > > > Minis
> > > > > > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > > > > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the optionof
> > > > attaching a
> > > > > > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/
> > > > USB
> > > > > > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the
> > > > computer.
> > > > > > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I
> > > > don't
> > > > > > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt for the
> > > > > > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a Mac Mini
> > > > > > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be if
> > > > I
> > > > > > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put
> > > > a SSD
> > > > > > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com> <eSens%
> > > > 40yahoogroups. com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > > > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > > > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > > > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > > > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > > > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > > > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > > > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > > > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > > > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > > > > > disabled.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > > > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > > > > > contribute to
> > > > > > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with
> > > > energy-draining
> > > > > > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a
> > > > nightmare
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of
> > > > people
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologicwebsite
> > > > for
> > > > > > > one)
> > > > > > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) -
> > > > because
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional
> > > > hard-disk
> > > > > > > drives.
> > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is
> > > > there a
> > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and
> > > > a
> > > > > > > 500GB
> > > > > > > > > SSD?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but theprices
> > > > for
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra
> > > > $650 for
> > > > > > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For
> > > > the
> > > > > > > prices
> > > > > > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs
> > > > and
> > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs
> > > > give
> > > > > > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased
> > > > battery
> > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep
> > > > the
> > > > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's
> > > > near-silence
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up"
> > > > such
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives wouldlead to
> > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components
> > > > that
> > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > > > to this "electrosmog" ? Are hard drives constantly spinning as
> > > > long as
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when
> > > > they
> > > > > > > aren't
> > > > > > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > > > > > wireless
> > > > > > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice ifeach
> > > > computer
> > > > > > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion
> > > > of SSDs
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> > > > found
> > > > > > > them
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> > > > > > > technology is
> > > > > > > > > still in the "obscure" stages (not to mention the cos$t!).
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> Hi, Stephen, Svetaswan, and All,
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> When I mentioned the necessity of removing the wifi (and Broadband!) cards from my computer, I was quoting Dell technicians, who I assume are more educated in such matters than most of us.  I was told specifically, that these cards are like "antennae".  And such, turning them on merely makes them "connect" to a "receiver" in your hardware portion of your computer.  Infact, tho, the connection when broken is only a wire's width apart, and, besides that, the emfs are still attracted to the "antenna" itself--the actual card.  The cards are just not hooked up to the "receiver" when you have the hardware switched off, or, in some cases, the card is layingflat instead of in an upright position and it is only the direction of thecard which is changed.  (This would mean fewer emfs, because the direction of the antenna would then be different.)  
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> Will there be a noticeable difference if you leave the card in, but just disable it?  Yes, I saw a great difference from doing only this.  However, I saw a greater difference from pulling the cards outentirely.  I kept one in for awhile--the broadband card; I could not tolerate the wifi one at all.  If I made sure the closest broadband tower (cell tower) was behind my computer and not behind me, I was relatively tolerant of it.  However, if I was in a place where it was necessary to use my computer with ME between the computer and the cell tower, it was extremely bothersome.
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> And, btw, Svetaswan, you mentioned not having a switch to turn off your wifi and broadband cards.  Sveta, you may not have an external switch, but every computer has an internal switch in the control panel under "hardware devices".  On my computer, you access it by clicking "Control Panel", then "System", then when that pops up, click the tab which says "Hardware", then on that page "Device Manager", that will bring up a long list of devices.  I then disabled my modems, network adaptors, and, anything pertaining to broadband and wifi.  Now understand, depending on how your computer is receiving internet currently, doing this on YOUR system might not work.  However, if you are receiving internet via an external modem box and ethernet cable (as Ido), you will still be able to receive internet signals with these devicesdisabled.
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> Regarding computers in general and Dells, specifically. ... I am amazed at the number of people here who buy computers and Dell computers, specifically, and NEVER call their technical departments for ES help!  Toshiba was no help when I called them for ES help.  But the Dell techs took me completely seriously, hada good general knowledge of how to help me, WERE CONCERNED ABOUT MY WELL BEING, and were greatly helpful.  So, don't trash Dellabout its emfs.  Dell does not know how many people their computers are negatively affecting unless you call them for help. 
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> Yes, today and for you, they may not solve 100% of the problems; however,we worked on my computer for a full month--up to 5+ hours a day!  (I talked on the phone to them from another room while they did some things remotely, and then for minutes at a time, I'd have to go into the room my computer was in and enter settings/check things out/etc myself.  The first week I did not spend more than an hour and a half each day working on my computer with them, because  everything we did was hardware related (and I had to make all the changes myself).  The techies could actually tell when I was becoming too affected and needed to quit, and would askme if I shouldn't stop awhile or if I thought I could go on.  The last two techies I spoke with were upset and concerned for me that I would need help (and whether I'd be able to get it) after my 30 day software warranty expired if I had later issues.  Btw, I took the

> technical help 10 months after receiving my computer, because I had a year's warranty on my computer hardware, and I didn't want to void my warranty by removing it right away.  (Back then, they didn't require the wifi card, but did require the broadband card stay in for warranty purposes.  I imagine that now they would require the wifi card stay in for warranty purposes, too, due to its prevalence of use.)
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> Diane
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> --- On Mon, 5/10/10, stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@...> wrote:
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> From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Wifi on Mac Mini desktop (SSD drives - worth the cost for emf-reduction? )
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 11:19 AM
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> Concerning: you should remove the wifi hardware from your pc, the score is 2-1!
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> Diane and Snoshoe say you should
> Bill says you shouldn't
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> About the disavantage that a desktop can't work on batteries... Well maybe that's not so important because you can put your desktop some feet away from where you work and from some distance most es-ers won't feel the low freq. emf...
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> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@ ..> wrote:
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> > Well, that's welcome news that simply turning the WiFi off seems sufficient. I was primarily reacting (or overreacting? ) not to your information,but to Stephen's post regarding the necessity of removing the WiFi from the computer. My struggle with the effects of e.s. has made me kind-of an obsessive worrywart when it comes to finding the "right" computer-setup. I guess that's what can happen when there is seemingly no computer without potential "flaws". I'm constantly trying to weigh the pros and cons - the lesserof the evils. Which "imperfections" could I live with, and which ones would give me problems? And I have to balance "alleviating" my e.s. problems with other concerns (economic, ergonomic).
> >
> > At this point, I know some type of compromise is going to have to be made somewhere. Take for example switching power supplies...unless you get a laptop and run them off of batteries all of the time, I don't think there is any way to avoid a switching power supply in a computer. One could try toreplace the switching power supply with a linear one - but I have nowhere near the technical expertise to do this, plus I wouldn't want to do anything to void the warranty of my computer. And since I have "real world" evidence that some type of desktop computer could actually work better for me than a laptop - there is the unavoidable reality that I could have to use a switching power supply.
> >
> > Speaking of switching power supplies - do you use the switching power supply that comes with the Mac Mini? If so, do you find it problematic?
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Bill Bruno <wbruno@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was trying to say that as far as I know, turning it off
> > > is sufficient, except that in my experience it will mysteriously turnitself
> > > on again a few times per year. Someone had asked about
> > > removing it, which I have done on the laptop just because it
> > > was easy.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 5:30 PM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You mean that I would have to go through the extra trouble of actually
> > > > removing the WiFi hardware? What a pain! Actually, I thought that Iwanted
> > > > the "security" of my computer being at least WiFi enabled, even if I don't
> > > > plan to use it. Although my house has one ethernet connection - it's never
> > > > been used/tested, and our WiFi has generally proven to be reliable.I wanted
> > > > to have WiFi as a "backup" - at least until I work out any possible"kinks"
> > > > in my ethernet connection and I'm confident that the ethernet connection
> > > > will be solid.
> > > >
> > > > And Apple seems to make disabling WiFi/bluetooth so easy and user-friendly.
> > > > When I tried to search for the WiFi-disabling function on my brother's
> > > > laptop (Windows 7), I couldn't find it.
> > > >
> > > > Why would a device that is turned *off* still emit radiation? Are you sure
> > > > that it's enough radiation to be significant?
> > > >
> > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > >
> > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>,
> > > > "stephen_vandevijve re" <stephen_vandevijve re@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > About the Mac Mini,
> > > > >
> > > > > On the Belgian Apple-website it says it comes standard with a Wifi
> > > > receiver and Bluetooth. Which is just awesome! ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > I thought Wifi receivers only come standard on laptops but apparently
> > > > also on some desktops... I think they emit quite a lot of emf.
> > > > >
> > > > > A month ago or so I read here (I think it was Diane) that it's not enough
> > > > to put the Wifi off on your pc. Then it still emits emf... So you should
> > > > actually remove the Wifi receiver hardware thingie! Maybe they can do that
> > > > in the shop if they're a little bit handy...
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know whether the same applies for Bluetooth...
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are actually multiple controllers, but dc motors have controllers
> > > > (or
> > > > > > possibly worse, brushes) and those are the ones worth avoiding in this
> > > > case
> > > > > > with a HD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm a bit surprised they don't offer a SSD on the mini by now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:05 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > I can't say I have a good understanding of components like disk
> > > > > > > "controllers" - but from the little I've read, don't all types of
> > > > disk
> > > > > > > drives - not just HDDs - have controllers? Or do HDD controllers
> > > > produce
> > > > > > > more emr than SSD controllers?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And I hope SSDs are good for at least 6 years of use - preferably
> > > > more (I
> > > > > > > got 7 good years out of my 2001 Gateway, and I expect an Apple to
> > > > last at
> > > > > > > least that long). I guess that's the downside of a SSD (besides the
> > > > cost) -
> > > > > > > after a lifetime of HDDs, you're entering the great unknown of how
> > > > SSDs
> > > > > > > perform (especially over the long-term). But I hope their long-term
> > > > > > > durability would not be an issue for me - after all, the onlytwo
> > > > words that
> > > > > > > Apple utters about its SSDs are "enhanced durability", lol.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I really wish is that Apple offered the SSD option for their Mac
> > > > Minis
> > > > > > > - as I've been considering this computer more than the Macbook Pro,
> > > > > > > actually. A Mac Mini would seemingly better foster the optionof
> > > > attaching a
> > > > > > > (tolerable) external display, plus the separate keyboard/mouse (w/
> > > > USB
> > > > > > > extender cables) - so I can sit at a greater distance from the
> > > > computer.
> > > > > > > (Not sure if I would be able to get 5 feet from it, though.) And I
> > > > don't
> > > > > > > like that Macbook Pros only have 2 USB drives (3 if you opt for the
> > > > > > > back-breakingly expensive 17" model).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perhaps there is a way in which I can get a SSD inside of a Mac Mini
> > > > > > > without voiding the warranty. I wonder how flexible Apple would be if
> > > > I
> > > > > > > spoke with them about my situation and whether or not they could put
> > > > a SSD
> > > > > > > inside of a Mac Mini for me?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~Svetaswan
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com> <eSens%
> > > > 40yahoogroups. com>, Bill Bruno
> > > > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > I have found Richard's advice to be excellent.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have an SSD in one laptop, and I like it.
> > > > > > > > It is quite small, like 48GB. If you need more
> > > > > > > > just get an external drive for when you need it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you get a non-apple one, make sure it is
> > > > > > > > the fast kind... I think "single level" or whatever it's called
> > > > > > > > or the OS will have problems.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If it's for a computer that is going to be more than
> > > > > > > > 5 feet away it may be less of a concern, but
> > > > > > > > it's not just the motor but also the controller to
> > > > > > > > be worried about, and that will affect other components.
> > > > > > > > My machine does not need the fan except with
> > > > > > > > heavy cpu loads like indexing, so I have spotlight
> > > > > > > > disabled.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you've ever had a hard drive fail, an SSD also seems
> > > > > > > > attractive, although apparently they do wear out over time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:14 AM, svetaswan <svetaswan@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > First of all - I just want to apologize for not being able to
> > > > > > > contribute to
> > > > > > > > > the group as much as I'd like to. I'm just swamped with
> > > > energy-draining
> > > > > > > > > problems, it seems - for starters, my "brain fog" has been a
> > > > nightmare
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > live with, and there are signs that my anemia has gotten worse.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Oh well, enough "woe is me" for now. I've seen where a couple of
> > > > people
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the e.s. community (Richard Conrad of the Conrad Biologicwebsite
> > > > for
> > > > > > > one)
> > > > > > > > > has recommended SSD drives for computers (especially laptops) -
> > > > because
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > supposedly give off less emr emissions than conventional
> > > > hard-disk
> > > > > > > drives.
> > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering how signficant these emr reductions are. Is
> > > > there a
> > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > difference in emr emissions between, say, a 500GB hard drive and
> > > > a
> > > > > > > 500GB
> > > > > > > > > SSD?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apple offers SSD options for their Macbook Pros - but theprices
> > > > for
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > SSDS are ridiculously expensive. (It's something like an extra
> > > > $650 for
> > > > > > > > > their 250GB SSD, and whopping $1,300 for their 500 GB SSD.) For
> > > > the
> > > > > > > prices
> > > > > > > > > to be so steep, Apple gives almost *no* information on their SSDs
> > > > and
> > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > supposed advantages - they only offer the vague phrase that SSDs
> > > > give
> > > > > > > > > "enhanced durability". That's it - no statement on increased
> > > > battery
> > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > > and/or lower power consumption, no statement on how SSDs may keep
> > > > the
> > > > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > > > cooler, or anything. I don't know what to make of Apple's
> > > > near-silence
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > this bank-breaking component - you'd think that they'd "talk up"
> > > > such
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > expensive device more.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering if these "mysterious" SSD drives wouldlead to
> > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > difference in my e.s. symptoms. Of all of the laptop components
> > > > that
> > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > off (bothersome) emissions - how much does a spinning hard drive
> > > > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > > > to this "electrosmog" ? Are hard drives constantly spinning as
> > > > long as
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > computer/laptop is on - or do they "rest" or stop spinning when
> > > > they
> > > > > > > aren't
> > > > > > > > > needed? Is the hard drive even active during Internet activity?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What are the biggest contributers to electrosmog emissions - the
> > > > > > > wireless
> > > > > > > > > card, CPU, GPU, hard drive, or fans? (It would be nice ifeach
> > > > computer
> > > > > > > > > component could be "ranked" according to how much they contribute
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > bothersome emissions.)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Btw, I've noticed that there really hasn't been much discussion
> > > > of SSDs
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> > > > found
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