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Hi all,
Okay, here a new round of power line filter testing, with some new additions and the elimination of filters that made no difference. KEY Furman = Furman PST-10D power strip Power Sentry = Power Sentry 6-outlet power strip Blue Circle = Blue Circle Power Line Pillow MkIII (parallel filter) Noise Harvester = PS Audio Noise Harvester (parallel filter) Isobar New = Tripp Lite Isobar new version Isobar Old = Tripp Lite Isobar old version, -75db outlet Brickwall = Brick Wall Surge Suppressor Stetzer = reading on the Stetzer meter Entech = reading on the Entech meter NO VACCUUM, MEASURE NOISE AT WALL OUTLET WHEN THESE DEVICES ARE PLUGGED INTO THE OTHER OUTLET No filter Stetzer=190 Entech=59 Furman Stetzer=130 Entech=23 Power Sentry Stetzer=240 Entech=5 Blue Circle Stetzer= 95 Entech=2 Noise Harvester Stetzer=153 Entech=0.3 Isobar new Stetzer=200 Entech=20 Isobar old Stetzer=180 Entech=66 Brickwall Stetzer=135 Entech=55 NO VACUUM, FILTER PLUGGED INTO WALL OUTLET, MEASURE NOISE AT FILTER OUTLET (FILTER OUTPUTS) Furman Stetzer= 30 Entech=0.1 Power Sentry Stetzer= 80 Entech=4 Isobar new Stetzer= 40 Entech=3 Isobar old Stetzer= 54 Entech=0.1 Brickwall Stetzer=100 Entech=0.2 VACCUM ON AND PLUGGED INTO FILTER (OR PARALLEL DEVICE USED IN ANOTHER WALL OUTLET), MEASURE NOISE AT OTHER WALL OUTLET No filter Stetzer=1100 Entech=176 Furman Stetzer=370 Entech=20 Power Sentry Stetzer=1000 Entech=44 Blue Circle Stetzer=500 Entech=17 Noise Harvester Stetzer=700 Entech=2.5 Isobar new Stetzer=570 Entech=21 Isobar old Stetzer=1000 Entech=80 Brickwall Stetzer=570 Entech=62 VACUUM ON AND PLUGGED INTO WALL OUTLET, FILTER PLUGGED INTO OTHER WALL OUTLET, MEASURE NOISE AT FILTER OUTLET (FILTER OUTPUTS): No filter Stetzer=1100 Entech=170 Furman Stetzer=400 Entech=0.6 Power Sentry Stetzer=1100 Entech=38 Isobar new Stetzer=600 Entech=5 Isobar old Stetzer=1000 Entech=2 Brickwall Stetzer=600 Entech=1 Marc |
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> No filter Stetzer=190 Entech=59
Oh, and don't get the impression that the Stetzer readings are usually so high in my house. Usually, they are less than 50. Maybe that's because I usually have all these fancy power strips deployed throughout the house... :-) Marc |
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hmmmm, looks like the Furman is the best product?
--- On Mon, 4/5/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > Subject: [eSens] Filter comparison II > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 7:28 PM > Hi all, > > Okay, here a new round of power line filter testing, with > some new > additions and the elimination of filters that made no > difference. > > KEY > Furman = Furman PST-10D power strip > Power Sentry = Power Sentry 6-outlet power strip > Blue Circle = Blue Circle Power Line Pillow MkIII (parallel > filter) > Noise Harvester = PS Audio Noise Harvester (parallel > filter) > Isobar New = Tripp Lite Isobar new version > Isobar Old = Tripp Lite Isobar old version, -75db outlet > Brickwall = Brick Wall Surge Suppressor > Stetzer = reading on the Stetzer meter > Entech = reading on the Entech meter > > NO VACCUUM, MEASURE NOISE AT WALL OUTLET WHEN THESE DEVICES > > ARE PLUGGED INTO THE OTHER OUTLET > > No filter Stetzer=190 > Entech=59 > Furman Stetzer=130 > Entech=23 > Power Sentry Stetzer=240 Entech=5 > Blue Circle Stetzer= 95 Entech=2 > Noise Harvester Stetzer=153 Entech=0.3 > Isobar new Stetzer=200 Entech=20 > Isobar old Stetzer=180 Entech=66 > Brickwall Stetzer=135 > Entech=55 > > NO VACUUM, FILTER PLUGGED INTO WALL OUTLET, MEASURE NOISE > AT > FILTER OUTLET (FILTER OUTPUTS) > > Furman Stetzer= 30 > Entech=0.1 > Power Sentry Stetzer= 80 Entech=4 > Isobar new Stetzer= 40 Entech=3 > Isobar old Stetzer= 54 Entech=0.1 > Brickwall Stetzer=100 > Entech=0.2 > > VACCUM ON AND PLUGGED INTO FILTER (OR PARALLEL DEVICE USED > IN ANOTHER WALL OUTLET), MEASURE NOISE AT OTHER WALL > OUTLET > > No filter Stetzer=1100 > Entech=176 > Furman Stetzer=370 > Entech=20 > Power Sentry Stetzer=1000 Entech=44 > Blue Circle Stetzer=500 > Entech=17 > Noise Harvester Stetzer=700 Entech=2.5 > Isobar new Stetzer=570 Entech=21 > Isobar old Stetzer=1000 Entech=80 > Brickwall Stetzer=570 > Entech=62 > > VACUUM ON AND PLUGGED INTO WALL OUTLET, FILTER PLUGGED > INTO OTHER WALL OUTLET, MEASURE NOISE AT FILTER OUTLET > (FILTER OUTPUTS): > > No filter Stetzer=1100 > Entech=170 > Furman > Stetzer=400 Entech=0.6 > Power Sentry Stetzer=1100 Entech=38 > Isobar new > Stetzer=600 Entech=5 > Isobar old Stetzer=1000 Entech=2 > Brickwall > Stetzer=600 Entech=1 > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [hidden email] > > > |
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> hmmmm, looks like the Furman is the best product?
from these meters, at least. It is also a "tolerable" product from my point of view, while the Stetzer filter (not tested, as I no longer have any) and Blue Circle are not. Note also that the Furman PST-10D has both "analog" and "digital" filtered outlets, and my test results were for the analog outlets. The readings on the digital outlets were actually a bit worse. Marc |
Are the digital outlets for DVD Players? They make the PST-8 without the digital filters.
--- On Mon, 4/5/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 10:05 PM > > hmmmm, looks like the Furman is > the best product? > > From these meters, at least. It is also a "tolerable" > product > from my point of view, while the Stetzer filter (not > tested, > as I no longer have any) and Blue Circle are not. > > Note also that the Furman PST-10D has both "analog" and > "digital" > filtered outlets, and my test results were for the analog > outlets. The readings on the digital outlets were > actually > a bit worse. > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [hidden email] > > > |
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> Are the digital outlets for DVD Players? They make the PST-8 without the
> digital filters. I think the digital outlets are so your digital components (HDTV) don't interfere with your analog components (old-fashioned amp). Marc |
ah, so I guess its good to get the D Models for an entertainment center Although for the computer it wouldn't be necessary
--- On Mon, 4/5/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 10:19 PM > > Are the digital outlets for DVD > Players? They make the PST-8 without the > > digital filters. > > I think the digital outlets are so your digital components > (HDTV) don't > interfere with your analog components (old-fashioned amp). > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [hidden email] > > > |
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> ah, so I guess its good to get the D Models for an entertainment center
> Although for the computer it wouldn't be necessary Yes, after doing those tests, I've convinced myself that I need a Furman PST-8 for my workplace. :-) Marc |
what do you have your computer. etc attached to now?
--- On Tue, 4/6/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 1:25 PM > > ah, so I guess its good to get > the D Models for an entertainment center > > Although for the computer it wouldn't be necessary > > Yes, after doing those tests, I've convinced myself that I > need a > Furman PST-8 for my workplace. :-) > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [hidden email] > > > |
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> what do you have your computer. etc attached to now?
My home computer is hooked up to a Furman PST-8D, and then I have a Quantum Power Strip running off of that to connect my computer monitor to. My work computer is just hooked up to a Quantum Power strip, and I have some other Quantum hardware (Quantum Pro, Quantum Monitor) as well. But since I'm not making good use of some of these other filters, I should try them out at work. Especially since my current work location is worse EMF-wise than in previous years... Marc |
how come you didnt hook your monitor into the furman?
--- On Tue, 4/6/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 3:08 PM > > what do you have your computer. > etc attached to now? > > My home computer is hooked up to a Furman PST-8D, and > then I have a Quantum Power Strip running off of that > to connect my computer monitor to. > > My work computer is just hooked up to a Quantum Power > strip, and I have some other Quantum hardware > (Quantum Pro, Quantum Monitor) as well. But since > I'm not making good use of some of these other > filters, I should try them out at work. Especially > since my current work location is worse EMF-wise > than in previous years... > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [hidden email] > > > |
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> how come you didnt hook your monitor into the furman?
The monitor is connected to the Quantum, which is connected to the Furman. So in a way, it *is* connected to the Furman. Besides, like I've said before, the Quantums are the things that have made the most difference in my symptoms, even though they don't look that great meter-wise. I actually never thought the Furman really helped -- just that it didn't make things worse, like many power strips. Marc |
gotcha.
I haven't noticed any health benefits to the quantum strip/outlets. In facti have been feeling quite lousy lately but I'm sure its unrelated. --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 7:10 PM > > how come you didnt hook your > monitor into the furman? > > The monitor is connected to the Quantum, which is > connected > to the Furman. So in a way, it *is* connected to the > Furman. > Besides, like I've said before, the Quantums are the > things > that have made the most difference in my symptoms, even > though they don't look that great meter-wise. I > actually > never thought the Furman really helped -- just that it > didn't make things worse, like many power strips. > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [hidden email] > > > |
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> I haven't noticed any health benefits to the quantum strip/outlets. In
> fact i have been feeling quite lousy lately but I'm sure its unrelated. Actually, if I go back to when I first started using the Quantum stuff, the pattern was this: -- felt unusually good the first day -- felt like crap for the next several days The feeling like crap is detox. If you think that is happening to you, and the Quantum stuff is the cause, just cut back. But maybe you're feeling lousy for other reasons. Marc |
That pretty much sums up how it went.
If it'll go away (assuming this is the cause) I'll just power through it because I don't want to start unplugging everything again. --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 7:29 PM > > I haven't noticed any health > benefits to the quantum strip/outlets. In > > fact i have been feeling quite lousy lately but I'm > sure its unrelated. > > Actually, if I go back to when I first started using the > Quantum stuff, > the pattern was this: > > -- felt unusually good the first day > -- felt like crap for the next several days > > The feeling like crap is detox. > > If you think that is happening to you, and the Quantum > stuff is the > cause, just cut back. But maybe you're feeling lousy > for other > reasons. > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [hidden email] > > > |
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> That pretty much sums up how it went.
> If it'll go away (assuming this is the cause) I'll just power through it > because I don't want to start unplugging everything again. You may recall that I mentioned something about my not using more than two Quantum power strips at a time in the same house? There was a reason for that -- it was more than I could handle. Now, 9 years later, I could probably handle all sorts of Quantum power strips in the house, and not notice a thing. But not originally. Marc |
I guess that would apply to the quantum outlets also? I guess I can stop using the one s with my TV and Computer since I already have surge suppressors there and the meter reading wasn't so bad.
I'll keep the strip in my bedroom and the outlet for the fridge since thosewere the worst offenders and see how i feel. Thanks for the tip. --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 10:44 PM > > That pretty much sums up how it > went. > > If it'll go away (assuming this is the cause) I'll > just power through it > > because I don't want to start unplugging everything > again. > > You may recall that I mentioned something about my not > using more than two > Quantum power strips at a time in the same house? > There was a reason for > that -- it was more than I could handle. > > Now, 9 years later, I could probably handle all sorts of > Quantum power > strips in the house, and not notice a thing. But not > originally. > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [hidden email] > > > |
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Puk - Just imagine if that Detox theory about feeling crap lasted for the
rest of your days, is there anything that you can take for the detox crap feeling ? In a message dated 07/04/2010 04:43:10 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: -- felt unusually good the first day > -- felt like crap for the next several days > > The feeling like crap is detox. > > If you think that is happening to you, and the Quantum > stuff is the > cause, just cut back. But maybe you're feeling lousy > for other > reasons. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> Puk - Just imagine if that Detox theory about feeling crap lasted for the
> rest of your days, is there anything that you can take for the detox crap > feeling ? Sure -- charcoal, bentonite, cell food, megahydrate, vitamin A, primal defense... these all help me get through detox Marc |
Charcoal & Bentonite Clay are also heavy metal detoxers! Loni
--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 6:41 AM > Puk - Just imagine if that Detox theory about feeling crap lasted for the > rest of your days, is there anything that you can take for the detox crap > feeling ? Sure -- charcoal, bentonite, cell food, megahydrate, vitamin A, primal defense... these all help me get through detox Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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