Filter comparison II

> I sent this to you privately, but incase someone else is wondering....the
> Q Pro device helped me sleep, helped anxiety, blood pressure, heart
> palps, ability to breathe deeper and more productively, chills and
> sweats,...

I find that, after using stuff from Quantum Products for about 10 years,
I do have a few side effects that I associate with over-use -- and in
such case, I turn them down/off. Those include -- pale skin,
hyperactivity, and abdominal bloating.

I have theorized that perhaps these devices hamper detox (like grapefruit
juice), however, that would not explain the months of detox they provoked
when I first started using them.

Marc

Interesting Marc!
 
I have not found any of your long term "symptoms" to be noticeable for me yet.  (I am not at that house yet full time; I spend a week to 3 weeks there at a time.  Our other house is still not sold.)  Pale skin.....  have you had your iron checked within the past few years?  Do you have a low hemoglobin count?  Docs ALWAYS think guys don't have to check this, but both my Dad and myhusband have low iron counts which need supplementation.
 
Bloating, eh?  Do you have more than a passing aquaintance with bad gut flora or candida????  ;)  I could see how you might have hyperactivity with a Q Home or Pro--if I didn't fine tune the settings with the button on the back of the unit, I'd be hyper all the time.
 
Take care,
Diane

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 4:59 PM


 



> I sent this to you privately, but incase someone else is wondering... .the
> Q Pro device helped me sleep, helped anxiety, blood pressure, heart
> palps, ability to breathe deeper and more productively, chills and
> sweats,...

I find that, after using stuff from Quantum Products for about 10 years,
I do have a few side effects that I associate with over-use -- and in
such case, I turn them down/off. Those include -- pale skin,
hyperactivity, and abdominal bloating.

I have theorized that perhaps these devices hamper detox (like grapefruit
juice), however, that would not explain the months of detox they provoked
when I first started using them.

Marc








     

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Hi Loni,

We didn't find supplements etc were enough to deal with Sue's problems. We
had tests which showed her sulphate and glutathione were very low (a later
genetic test showed the gene for the latter was missing). So intravenous
infusions of glutathione and magnesium sulphate, plus injections and baths
of the latter to top up, were needed, as she had leaky gut too - big vicious
circle. It took a couple of years of gradual treatment (expensive) and she
is now a lot better, but has plateau'd.

On grapefruit - it may or may not be a problem for you, but worth trying out
avoiding it to see if it makes a difference. Twice a week doesn't sound so
bad, I thought it sounded as if you had it virtually daily. (Ironically, I
do, but I'm fortunate enough to be in good health).

Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Loni
Sent: 09 April 2010 03:40
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox




Hi Ian,

I agree with you on the liver pathways being the big picture in not dealing
with pollution. A liver test that measures enzymes & a protein is not an
effective test for liver function.

What did Sue take for improving Phase II?

I don't really eat grapefruit all the time. Twice a week I guess. Don't
think I'll be doing that much anymore.

Loni

--- On Thu, 4/8/10, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
<mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 5:05 PM



Hi Loni,
Liver metabolic pathways (detox) consist of Phase I and Phase II. Lots of
people with MCS and ES seem to have problems with one or more of the Phase
II pathways being missing or broken. But problems with Phase I could give
similar symptoms.

It might be worth trying giving up grapefruit for a period and see what
effect it has. Of course, you might feel worse for a time if the detox
which had previously been inhibited starts going. But if it then helps to
clear some accumulated grot out of your system it could be very useful!

Sue's MCS and ES have got a lot better by treating the Phase II pathways
(and gut disease), but in conjunction with this she avoids grapefruit
completely.

As Marc mentions, some drugs are detoxified by Phase I and have specific
warnings on the packet "do not take with grapefruit".

Ian

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From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Loni
Sent: 07 April 2010 19:53
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II

Hmmm, I love & eat grapefruit all the time. What do you mean it stops the
Phase I. For how long & how? Never heard that before. I have problems with
the liver. Loni

--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.
<mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 11:42 AM

> I did not understand this post at all Diane? Is grapefruit bad or good?

Grapefruit stops liver phase I activity, which has a nice side effect
of stopping detox and making you feel better. But of course, since
the goal is the *eventually* detox, you should not take it all the
time.

I think this also applies to Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE). At least,
a few drops of this can often make me feel better. But maybe that
is the anti-fungal/ bacterial/ virus properties (?)

Marc

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> Pale skin..... 
> have you had your iron checked within the past few years?  Do you have a
> low hemoglobin count?

Actually, the pale skin is a temporary thing -- it will go away rapidly
if I turn off the Quantum Products. (and I have not had this symptom
lately -- if anything, I've got the opposite problem these days...too red...)

> Bloating, eh?  Do you have more than a passing aquaintance with bad gut
> flora or candida????

Yes, although it's not nearly as bad now as it used to be...

Marc

"Deviant" wouldn't go down well in the UK either - here it's often used with
very dubious sexual connotations ;)

I can't see that there's any such thing as a "normal" or "baseline" ES
person in terms of what devices they respond to best. Lots of devices
clearly help some people. I don't get a feel from reading the numerous
posts here over the years that there's anything which seems to help the
majority. Marc's symptoms sound as typical to me as anybody's - certainly
plenty of common ground.

The one major trend I do see is that most ES people in the group seem to
have MCS or linked effects - immune system, coeliac disease, leaky gut etc.
But even here there are multiple causes and effects. For example, lots of
people are helped by glutathione, but I remember Marc saying it had the
opposite effect for him; but lots of the supplements and detox that he has
done have also helped others. It seems that, in the words of 'Life of
Brian', "We are all individuals!"

Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Evie
Sent: 09 April 2010 21:42
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox




Lol Charles,

Not deviative! ;) Here that would be worse than weird. lol We use the
term "deviant" to denote a person who is psychopathic.

As to Marc, I actually find that Marc and I react very similarly to many
things, so I use him as a barometer! But to be fair, I have never tried a
bio-protect card. I was wondering tho.... does a bio-protect card ever need
cleared, Charles (or Dietrich! Since you were the inventor I believe)? I
was wondering because I have heard many say the card works for them for a
period of time and then doesn't work at all or makes them worse. I see the
same thing with gemstones (but I just clear them and they are fine.)

Thanks, Diane

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, charles <charles@milieuziekt
<mailto:charles%40milieuziektes.be> es.be> wrote:

From: charles <charles@milieuziekt <mailto:charles%40milieuziektes.be>
es.be>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 11:19 AM



Hello Marc,

weird is perhaps a wrong expression.
How about contrary, or deviative ?
Or extra-ordinary ?

Overhere, there a quite a large number of persons who benefit from the
BioProtect card.

Because we do have here 220Volt and 50 Hz, and are using other plugs, those
american appliances are not usable here.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Norton

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From: "Marc Martin" <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox

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PUK replies - Just lately I am not right in the loo department, I have gas
problems and cant seem to produce a healthy stool ie, gooey, is this common
in essers ? perhaps I simply need more fibre


In a message dated 09/04/2010 23:06:11 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

On grapefruit - it may or may not be a problem for you, but worth trying
out
avoiding it to see if it makes a difference. Twice a week doesn't sound so
bad, I thought it sounded as if you had it virtually daily. (Ironically, I
do, but I'm fortunate enough to be in good health).

Ian



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My debilitating symptoms are Fatigue, Burning skin, & headaches!  Did you ever have the stinging skin when exposed say from tv or computer? Loni

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 1:53 PM


 



Hi, Loni,
 
<What kind of relief of symptoms did you get from using the device?> 

I sent this to you privately, but incase someone else is wondering... .the Q Pro device helped me sleep, helped anxiety, blood pressure, heart palps, ability to breathe deeper and more productively, chills and sweats,...(basically all the autonomic nervous system symptoms), and headaches.  It caused, at first, more detox and foggy headedness, clumsiness.. ..  I think I was also dizzy(er).

Diane
--- On Thu, 4/8/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:54 PM

 

Hi Diane,
 
I am going to try the Quantum Pro or the Stezer Filters. What kind of relief of symptoms did you get from using the device? 
 
Loni

--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 10:52 PM

 

Hi, Loni,
 
You ask:
"How much space does the Quantum Pro cover?"
 
I don't know for sure--I think it was around 3500 to 4000 sq ft.  (My house is 2100 sq ft, counting the basement.)  I was told, however, that the size is not the entire consideration.  You have a dial, and thenfine-tuning settings on the Q Pro.  Once the dial is maxed out, it was my understanding that you needed to add another device to it.  This is based on a discussion I had with Margi, the company rep, whereI mentioned to her that I was 3/4 up the dial and we yet intended to add on our garage to the electric panel.  She mentioned that I might need an extra device.  We haven't done that yet, so I cannot say yet whether that will ultimately be necessary or not.  
 
Diane 

--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 8:47 PM

 

How much space does the Quantum Pro cover?  Loni

--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 1:33 PM

 

> I wasn't warned by the company but marc warned me and I didn't listen
> like a fool.

Well, Diane order a Quantum Pro, which is about a zillion times stronger
[more or less :-) ] than the Quantum power outlet. So I think a warning
would be in order for that. I don't think the company would expect
a detox reaction from the outlet.

Marc

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Try magnesium & lots of vitamin C. 5,000 mg spread throughout the day. I suffered all my life & seems to be the key. Oh yes & Fish Oil too!  Loni

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 2:52 AM


 



PUK replies - Just lately I am not right in the loo department, I have gas
problems and cant seem to produce a healthy stool ie, gooey, is this common
in essers ? perhaps I simply need more fibre


In a message dated 09/04/2010 23:06:11 GMT Daylight Time,
ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net writes:

On grapefruit - it may or may not be a problem for you, but worth trying
out
avoiding it to see if it makes a difference. Twice a week doesn't sound so
bad, I thought it sounded as if you had it virtually daily. (Ironically, I
do, but I'm fortunate enough to be in good health).

Ian

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Yes concerning the BioProtect Card. I am wearing it right now & I am on thecomputer & my skin is still burning so I don't see a benefit to it yet.  Loni

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 7:51 AM


 



> Marc Martin,
> you are a weird person.

Heh, heh... yes, I guess you could say that most on this
group would seem a bit weird to the average person... :-)

> You do react quite different to *things*, while other persons do have
> positive reactions, for instance to the BioProtect card.

Actually, I have not seen that many positive reports on the BioProtect
card on this group. Maybe that is simply because people have not tried
it, but I also recall some people trying it and reporting a similar
reaction as mine.

> We have the BioElectrical shield, which performs also positive

Again, how many people on this group have reported positive results
with the BioElectric Sheild? Other than yourself, I'd say that
zero people here have reported benefits. Again, this could be from
lack of trying...

> Now, we have found that the CMO basestation IV can help with *dirty air*
> as well as magnetic fields.

Hmmmm, haven't tried that...

> Perhaps the reason may be, that you are using quite a number of devices.

This could be. I do seem to be rather reluctant to unplug my Quantum
Products devices. So some of these items may be incompatible.

> In my opinion, it is best in trying *things* one at the time.

Maybe, but given the nasty environment I have at work, only the
Quantum Products have proven strong enough to be really helpful.

Marc








     

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Hello Loni,

perhaps your troubles do have another origin than EMF ?

Many people do have Candida Albicans, or Mycoplasma Fermentans, or
Aspegillus Niger.
Or just sun allergy .
(Sun allergy is the cause, but can be triggered by EMF.)

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Charles Claessens
lid Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.minderstraling.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
gekontroleerd door Norton



----- Original Message -----
From: "Loni" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox


Yes concerning the BioProtect Card. I am wearing it right now & I am on the
computer & my skin is still burning so I don't see a benefit to it yet. Loni

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 7:51 AM






> Marc Martin,
> you are a weird person.

Heh, heh... yes, I guess you could say that most on this
group would seem a bit weird to the average person... :-)

> You do react quite different to *things*, while other persons do have
> positive reactions, for instance to the BioProtect card.

Actually, I have not seen that many positive reports on the BioProtect
card on this group. Maybe that is simply because people have not tried
it, but I also recall some people trying it and reporting a similar
reaction as mine.

> We have the BioElectrical shield, which performs also positive

Again, how many people on this group have reported positive results
with the BioElectric Sheild? Other than yourself, I'd say that
zero people here have reported benefits. Again, this could be from
lack of trying...

> Now, we have found that the CMO basestation IV can help with *dirty air*
> as well as magnetic fields.

Hmmmm, haven't tried that...

> Perhaps the reason may be, that you are using quite a number of devices.

This could be. I do seem to be rather reluctant to unplug my Quantum
Products devices. So some of these items may be incompatible.

> In my opinion, it is best in trying *things* one at the time.

Maybe, but given the nasty environment I have at work, only the
Quantum Products have proven strong enough to be really helpful.

Marc










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Hi, Loni,
 
<Did you ever have the stinging skin when exposed say from tv or computer?>
 
Yes, I have had skin burning/stinging.  Of course, I don't consider that symptom nearly as important (skin stinging is exceedinglypainful esp when your ankles/ lymph nodes sting, facial skin burning not as much--but neither is as life threatening as plummeting blood pressure or heart palps) and so I often don't mention it as a symptom.  Also, I think of it more as a "sign" than a "symptom":  when my skin burning/stinging is at it's worst, I have found thru experience, it isalways because my lymphatic system is over wrought with detox--carrying alot of crap (the skin is the largest detox "organ", Loni, so it is not that unusual that we would feel skin pain during alot of detox). 
 
It is at these times that I need to stay away from emfs the most--especially the computer and tv--not because of the skin burning but because I suspect that emfs cause the lymphatics more problems in disposing of the crap.  In otherwords, I think I have more problems getting the detoxed crap toleave my body due to emfs.  And I take the symptom of skin burning/stinging as a sign to take a vacation from tv and computer and go for a walk in the woods and sit somewhere out in nature to allow the emfs to drain outof me ("ground" myself).  I also seem to act more as a "capacitor" when I have skin burning and stinging (alot of lymphatic load); it sometimes feels as tho I am storing the emfs.  I do not know whether this is actually the case; it *feels* like I am taking on more charge.  [I suspect my lymphatic fluid sometimes might resemble a good battery fluid.  Ishould research this idea more, but I haven't had the time to go there.]
 
I have seen some help with natural vit D 3 and B12 sublinguals for skin burning.  But the best remediation is to stay away from the tv and computer (and other emfs, such as cell and microwave towers/various electronics/wifi) and "ground" myself when it is at its worst.  When the burning is merely annoying, then the supplements will totally help it. 
 
I think of burning/stinging skin as a need for a zen moment.  ;)  I can discharge this "emf charged" feeling in an afternoon spent in the woods overlooking a large waterfall in our area.  This will allow my lymphs to also deal more effectively with the crap it is trying to get out.  The next day I am often totally fatigued, but then taking Cal AEP, pantethine, and CoQ10 are very helpful at getting me back on my feet(in 1 to 4 hours, usually). 

This is what works for me, Loni; I can't say this will or not work for you,but it is worth a try.  I have found that a once (and better yet, twice) a week afternoon "grounding" keeps me fairly stable.  This is, of course, harder to achieve in the winter.   I am a person who definitely needs a strong nature connection.  I always feel best out in nature.  If it were up to me (hubby can't go there at the moment), I would move as fast as I could to Costa Rica or somewhere even greener and tropical. 
 
Diane

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:


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My debilitating symptoms are Fatigue, Burning skin, & headaches!  Did you ever have the stinging skin when exposed say from tv or computer? Loni

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 1:53 PM

 

Hi, Loni,
 
<What kind of relief of symptoms did you get from using the device?> 

I sent this to you privately, but incase someone else is wondering... .the Q Pro device helped me sleep, helped anxiety, blood pressure, heart palps, ability to breathe deeper and more productively, chills and sweats,...(basically all the autonomic nervous system symptoms), and headaches.  It caused, at first, more detox and foggy headedness, clumsiness.. ..  I think I was also dizzy(er).

Diane
--- On Thu, 4/8/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:54 PM

 

Hi Diane,
 
I am going to try the Quantum Pro or the Stezer Filters. What kind of relief of symptoms did you get from using the device? 
 
Loni

--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 10:52 PM

 

Hi, Loni,
 
You ask:
"How much space does the Quantum Pro cover?"
 
I don't know for sure--I think it was around 3500 to 4000 sq ft.  (My house is 2100 sq ft, counting the basement.)  I was told, however, that the size is not the entire consideration.  You have a dial, and thenfine-tuning settings on the Q Pro.  Once the dial is maxed out, it was my understanding that you needed to add another device to it.  This is based on a discussion I had with Margi, the company rep, whereI mentioned to her that I was 3/4 up the dial and we yet intended to add on our garage to the electric panel.  She mentioned that I might need an extra device.  We haven't done that yet, so I cannot say yet whether that will ultimately be necessary or not.  
 
Diane 

--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 8:47 PM

 

How much space does the Quantum Pro cover?  Loni

--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 1:33 PM

 

> I wasn't warned by the company but marc warned me and I didn't listen
> like a fool.

Well, Diane order a Quantum Pro, which is about a zillion times stronger
[more or less :-) ] than the Quantum power outlet. So I think a warning
would be in order for that. I don't think the company would expect
a detox reaction from the outlet.

Marc

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Hi Charles,
 
I have been taking charcoal & clay for over a year now so I should be fairly detoxed. I eat pretty wholesome diet as well.
 
I was originally poisoned by mold & aspergillus was an issue as well as staccy but should be under control with all the detox i have done.
 
When I go to the desert away from the emf I do not feel fatigued or nor does my skin burn.
 
I'm giving the BioProtect Card a whirl but no significant difference just yet. I am, however, living in a highly electrical area with close to 400 antennas in a 4 mile radius. Then of course you have neighbors that are reallyneighbors (close) that have wireless ect.
 
So my point being that these devices are not magic bullets & may help a little but in the long run what I am exposed to is pretty intense.
 
But I'm not giving up because I am stuck here for now. Loni

--- On Sun, 4/11/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 4:39 AM


 



Hello Loni,

perhaps your troubles do have another origin than EMF ?

Many people do have Candida Albicans, or Mycoplasma Fermentans, or
Aspegillus Niger.
Or just sun allergy .
(Sun allergy is the cause, but can be triggered by EMF.)

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Charles Claessens
lid Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.minderstraling. nl
www.hetbitje. nl
gekontroleerd door Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Loni" <loni326@yahoo. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox

Yes concerning the BioProtect Card. I am wearing it right now & I am on the
computer & my skin is still burning so I don't see a benefit to it yet. Loni

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 7:51 AM

> Marc Martin,
> you are a weird person.

Heh, heh... yes, I guess you could say that most on this
group would seem a bit weird to the average person... :-)

> You do react quite different to *things*, while other persons do have
> positive reactions, for instance to the BioProtect card.

Actually, I have not seen that many positive reports on the BioProtect
card on this group. Maybe that is simply because people have not tried
it, but I also recall some people trying it and reporting a similar
reaction as mine.

> We have the BioElectrical shield, which performs also positive

Again, how many people on this group have reported positive results
with the BioElectric Sheild? Other than yourself, I'd say that
zero people here have reported benefits. Again, this could be from
lack of trying...

> Now, we have found that the CMO basestation IV can help with *dirty air*
> as well as magnetic fields.

Hmmmm, haven't tried that...

> Perhaps the reason may be, that you are using quite a number of devices.

This could be. I do seem to be rather reluctant to unplug my Quantum
Products devices. So some of these items may be incompatible.

> In my opinion, it is best in trying *things* one at the time.

Maybe, but given the nasty environment I have at work, only the
Quantum Products have proven strong enough to be really helpful.

Marc

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Yes, more fiber.  Less chocolate.  ;)  lol
 
Be well (ps, the chocolate pertains to me; just thought I'd share my guilt),
Diane

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From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 5:52 AM


 



PUK replies - Just lately I am not right in the loo department, I have gas
problems and cant seem to produce a healthy stool ie, gooey, is this common
in essers ? perhaps I simply need more fibre


In a message dated 09/04/2010 23:06:11 GMT Daylight Time,
ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net writes:

On grapefruit - it may or may not be a problem for you, but worth trying
out
avoiding it to see if it makes a difference. Twice a week doesn't sound so
bad, I thought it sounded as if you had it virtually daily. (Ironically, I
do, but I'm fortunate enough to be in good health).

Ian

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Thanks for your reply Diane. I am doing acupuncture next week so I hope that can help me with total functioning.
 
It is most definitely (skin burning) exposure to emf.
 
I sit about 11 feet from my tv LCD & I am about 7 feet from my fridge. I can't hardly get through a movie without the emf putting me to sleep.
 
I'm with you moving to somewhere fresh & remote. On my agenda as soon as wecan sell this house (may be waiting a long time since foreclosures were sky high last month) 
 
In my dreams!  But for now I am going to do some camping and closer tonature.
 
Loni

--- On Sun, 4/11/10, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] skin stinging/ burning (formerly Quantum detox)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 8:15 AM


 



Hi, Loni,
 
<Did you ever have the stinging skin when exposed say from tv or computer?>
 
Yes, I have had skin burning/stinging.  Of course, I don't consider that symptom nearly as important (skin stinging is exceedinglypainful esp when your ankles/ lymph nodes sting, facial skin burning not as much--but neither is as life threatening as plummeting blood pressure or heart palps) and so I often don't mention it as a symptom.  Also, I think of it more as a "sign" than a "symptom":  when my skin burning/stinging is at it's worst, I have found thru experience, it isalways because my lymphatic system is over wrought with detox--carrying alot of crap (the skin is the largest detox "organ", Loni, so it is not that unusual that we would feel skin pain during alot of detox). 
 
It is at these times that I need to stay away from emfs the most--especially the computer and tv--not because of the skin burning but because I suspect that emfs cause the lymphatics more problems in disposing of the crap.  In otherwords, I think I have more problems getting the detoxed crap toleave my body due to emfs.  And I take the symptom of skin burning/stinging as a sign to take a vacation from tv and computer and go for a walk in the woods and sit somewhere out in nature to allow the emfs to drain outof me ("ground" myself).  I also seem to act more as a "capacitor" when I have skin burning and stinging (alot of lymphatic load); it sometimes feels as tho I am storing the emfs.  I do not know whether this is actually the case; it *feels* like I am taking on more charge.  [I suspect my lymphatic fluid sometimes might resemble a good battery fluid.  Ishould research this idea more, but I haven't had the time to go there.]
 
I have seen some help with natural vit D 3 and B12 sublinguals for skin burning.  But the best remediation is to stay away from the tv and computer (and other emfs, such as cell and microwave towers/various electronics/ wifi) and "ground" myself when it is at its worst.  When the burning is merely annoying, then the supplements will totally help it. 
 
I think of burning/stinging skin as a need for a zen moment.  ;)  I can discharge this "emf charged" feeling in an afternoon spent in the woods overlooking a large waterfall in our area.  This will allow my lymphs to also deal more effectively with the crap it is trying to get out.  The next day I am often totally fatigued, but then taking Cal AEP, pantethine, and CoQ10 are very helpful at getting me back on my feet(in 1 to 4 hours, usually). 

This is what works for me, Loni; I can't say this will or not work for you,but it is worth a try.  I have found that a once (and better yet, twice) a week afternoon "grounding " keeps me fairly stable.  This is, of course, harder to achieve in the winter.   Iam a person who definitely needs a strong nature connection.  I always feel best out in nature.  If it were up to me (hubby can't go there at the moment), I would move as fast as I could to Costa Rica or somewhere even greener and tropical. 
 
Diane

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

< 

My debilitating symptoms are Fatigue, Burning skin, & headaches!  Did you ever have the stinging skin when exposed say from tv or computer? Loni

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 1:53 PM

 

Hi, Loni,
 
<What kind of relief of symptoms did you get from using the device?> 

I sent this to you privately, but incase someone else is wondering... .the Q Pro device helped me sleep, helped anxiety, blood pressure, heart palps, ability to breathe deeper and more productively, chills and sweats,...(basically all the autonomic nervous system symptoms), and headaches.  It caused, at first, more detox and foggy headedness, clumsiness.. ..  I think I was also dizzy(er).

Diane
--- On Thu, 4/8/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:54 PM

 

Hi Diane,
 
I am going to try the Quantum Pro or the Stezer Filters. What kind of relief of symptoms did you get from using the device? 
 
Loni

--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 10:52 PM

 

Hi, Loni,
 
You ask:
"How much space does the Quantum Pro cover?"
 
I don't know for sure--I think it was around 3500 to 4000 sq ft.  (My house is 2100 sq ft, counting the basement.)  I was told, however, that the size is not the entire consideration.  You have a dial, and thenfine-tuning settings on the Q Pro.  Once the dial is maxed out, it was my understanding that you needed to add another device to it.  This is based on a discussion I had with Margi, the company rep, whereI mentioned to her that I was 3/4 up the dial and we yet intended to add on our garage to the electric panel.  She mentioned that I might need an extra device.  We haven't done that yet, so I cannot say yet whether that will ultimately be necessary or not.  
 
Diane 

--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 8:47 PM

 

How much space does the Quantum Pro cover?  Loni

--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 1:33 PM

 

> I wasn't warned by the company but marc warned me and I didn't listen
> like a fool.

Well, Diane order a Quantum Pro, which is about a zillion times stronger
[more or less :-) ] than the Quantum power outlet. So I think a warning
would be in order for that. I don't think the company would expect
a detox reaction from the outlet.

Marc

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Hi Ian,
 
Sue sounds a lot like my me. I also have the low glutithione & has something to do with genetics. I do injections every other day. What was the magesium sulphate for?  
 
I also have severe leaky gut as well.
 
I'm taking Milk Thystle for the liver.
 
Loni
 
 

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 3:05 PM


 



Hi Loni,

We didn't find supplements etc were enough to deal with Sue's problems. We
had tests which showed her sulphate and glutathione were very low (a later
genetic test showed the gene for the latter was missing). So intravenous
infusions of glutathione and magnesium sulphate, plus injections and baths
of the latter to top up, were needed, as she had leaky gut too - big vicious
circle. It took a couple of years of gradual treatment (expensive) and she
is now a lot better, but has plateau'd.

On grapefruit - it may or may not be a problem for you, but worth trying out
avoiding it to see if it makes a difference. Twice a week doesn't sound so
bad, I thought it sounded as if you had it virtually daily. (Ironically, I
do, but I'm fortunate enough to be in good health).

Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Loni
Sent: 09 April 2010 03:40
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox

Hi Ian,

I agree with you on the liver pathways being the big picture in not dealing
with pollution. A liver test that measures enzymes & a protein is not an
effective test for liver function.

What did Sue take for improving Phase II?

I don't really eat grapefruit all the time. Twice a week I guess. Don't
think I'll be doing that much anymore.

Loni

--- On Thu, 4/8/10, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
<mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 5:05 PM

Hi Loni,
Liver metabolic pathways (detox) consist of Phase I and Phase II. Lots of
people with MCS and ES seem to have problems with one or more of the Phase
II pathways being missing or broken. But problems with Phase I could give
similar symptoms.

It might be worth trying giving up grapefruit for a period and see what
effect it has. Of course, you might feel worse for a time if the detox
which had previously been inhibited starts going. But if it then helps to
clear some accumulated grot out of your system it could be very useful!

Sue's MCS and ES have got a lot better by treating the Phase II pathways
(and gut disease), but in conjunction with this she avoids grapefruit
completely.

As Marc mentions, some drugs are detoxified by Phase I and have specific
warnings on the packet "do not take with grapefruit".

Ian

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From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Loni
Sent: 07 April 2010 19:53
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II

Hmmm, I love & eat grapefruit all the time. What do you mean it stops the
Phase I. For how long & how? Never heard that before. I have problems with
the liver. Loni

--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.
<mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 11:42 AM

> I did not understand this post at all Diane? Is grapefruit bad or good?

Grapefruit stops liver phase I activity, which has a nice side effect
of stopping detox and making you feel better. But of course, since
the goal is the *eventually* detox, you should not take it all the
time.

I think this also applies to Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE). At least,
a few drops of this can often make me feel better. But maybe that
is the anti-fungal/ bacterial/ virus properties (?)

Marc

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About the detox, why is there detox from using this stuff? Its not like we are getting rid of chemicals. Just curious.

--- On Sun, 4/11/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

> About the detox, why is there detox from using this stuff? Its not like
> we are getting rid of chemicals. Just curious.

I'm not sure what you are referring to, but if you kill of Candida,
then that is going to release poisons from the Candida into your
system. So those are additional poisons that your body has
to deal with. Also, Candida has a tendency to absorb heavy metals,
so if you kill these, then your body has to deal with the heavy
metals instead (some people recommend caution in killing off
Candida, because from a heavy metal standpoint, they may be
doing you more benefit than harm).

As for detox from EMF protection devices, if your body no longer
has to deal with EMF stress, then it has additional resources
to start dealing with the toxins that have accumulated in your
system over the years. And so it starts working on that,
which causes more poisons to be mobilized into your system.
That is why I look out for the "Feel Good Initially, then
Feel Bad Later". The initial feeling good is your body no
longer having to deal with EMF stress. The feeling bad later
is your body, seeing that it has more energy/vitality to
deal with toxins, starts doing so.

Marc

gotcha, thanks

--- On Sun, 4/11/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

Just on the note of charcoal and clay - don't quote me personally on this, as I'm just passing on what I read elsewhere, but I have seen it stated that one should be careful using charcoal and bentonite for detox, as activated charcoal can/may interfere with iodine (important for thyroid), and bentonite may contain aluminum.

Again, just what I've read; I've no idea how relevant it is, or how much truth there is to it.  All the best!

R.

--- On Sun, 4/11/10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox
To: [hidden email]
Received: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 4:32 PM







 



 


   
     
     
Hi Charles,

 

I have been taking charcoal & clay for over a year now so I should be fairly detoxed. I eat pretty wholesome diet as well.

 

I was originally poisoned by mold & aspergillus was an issue as well as staccy but should be under control with all the detox i have done.

 

When I go to the desert away from the emf I do not feel fatigued or nor does my skin burn.

 

I'm giving the BioProtect Card a whirl but no significant difference just yet. I am, however, living in a highly electrical area with close to 400 antennas in a 4 mile radius. Then of course you have neighbors that are reallyneighbors (close) that have wireless ect.

 

So my point being that these devices are not magic bullets & may help a little but in the long run what I am exposed to is pretty intense.

 

But I'm not giving up because I am stuck here for now. Loni



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From: charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 4:39 AM



 



Hello Loni,



perhaps your troubles do have another origin than EMF ?



Many people do have Candida Albicans, or Mycoplasma Fermentans, or

Aspegillus Niger.

Or just sun allergy .

(Sun allergy is the cause, but can be triggered by EMF.)



Met vriendelijke groeten,

Charles Claessens

lid Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Loni" <loni326@yahoo. com>

To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>

Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 1:09 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox



Yes concerning the BioProtect Card. I am wearing it right now & I am on the

computer & my skin is still burning so I don't see a benefit to it yet. Loni



--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:



From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Quantum detox

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 7:51 AM



> Marc Martin,

> you are a weird person.



Heh, heh... yes, I guess you could say that most on this

group would seem a bit weird to the average person... :-)



> You do react quite different to *things*, while other persons do have

> positive reactions, for instance to the BioProtect card.



Actually, I have not seen that many positive reports on the BioProtect

card on this group. Maybe that is simply because people have not tried

it, but I also recall some people trying it and reporting a similar

reaction as mine.



> We have the BioElectrical shield, which performs also positive



Again, how many people on this group have reported positive results

with the BioElectric Sheild? Other than yourself, I'd say that

zero people here have reported benefits. Again, this could be from

lack of trying...



> Now, we have found that the CMO basestation IV can help with *dirty air*

> as well as magnetic fields.



Hmmmm, haven't tried that...



> Perhaps the reason may be, that you are using quite a number of devices.



This could be. I do seem to be rather reluctant to unplug my Quantum

Products devices. So some of these items may be incompatible.



> In my opinion, it is best in trying *things* one at the time.



Maybe, but given the nasty environment I have at work, only the

Quantum Products have proven strong enough to be really helpful.



Marc



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Did you ever try a product called Seacure for your leaky gut? Along with other things like quercetin, my reactions to food (which were horrible, like bad all-over rashes, a month or more ago) have diminished a lot.

Seacure is hydrolyzed (fermented, or predigested) white fish; super absorbed by the body, and contains amino acids that can help heal the gut lining.  There are a lot of good reports on it.  A few have mentioned odd reactions to it, but not most folks.  Could be worth a go.  Good luck!

R.

--- On Sun, 4/11/10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Glutithione
To: [hidden email]
Received: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 5:30 PM







 



 


   
     
     
Hi Ian,

 

Sue sounds a lot like my me. I also have the low glutithione & has something to do with genetics. I do injections every other day. What was the magesium sulphate for?  

 

I also have severe leaky gut as well.

 

I'm taking Milk Thystle for the liver.

 

Loni

 

 



--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net> wrote:



From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net>

Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 3:05 PM



 



Hi Loni,



We didn't find supplements etc were enough to deal with Sue's problems. We

had tests which showed her sulphate and glutathione were very low (a later

genetic test showed the gene for the latter was missing). So intravenous

infusions of glutathione and magnesium sulphate, plus injections and baths

of the latter to top up, were needed, as she had leaky gut too - big vicious

circle. It took a couple of years of gradual treatment (expensive) and she

is now a lot better, but has plateau'd.



On grapefruit - it may or may not be a problem for you, but worth trying out

avoiding it to see if it makes a difference. Twice a week doesn't sound so

bad, I thought it sounded as if you had it virtually daily. (Ironically, I

do, but I'm fortunate enough to be in good health).



Ian



_____



From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Loni

Sent: 09 April 2010 03:40

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox



Hi Ian,



I agree with you on the liver pathways being the big picture in not dealing

with pollution. A liver test that measures enzymes & a protein is not an

effective test for liver function.



What did Sue take for improving Phase II?



I don't really eat grapefruit all the time. Twice a week I guess. Don't

think I'll be doing that much anymore.



Loni



--- On Thu, 4/8/10, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@

<mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net> ukgateway.net> wrote:



From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>

ukgateway.net>

Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox

To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com

Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 5:05 PM



Hi Loni,

Liver metabolic pathways (detox) consist of Phase I and Phase II. Lots of

people with MCS and ES seem to have problems with one or more of the Phase

II pathways being missing or broken. But problems with Phase I could give

similar symptoms.



It might be worth trying giving up grapefruit for a period and see what

effect it has. Of course, you might feel worse for a time if the detox

which had previously been inhibited starts going. But if it then helps to

clear some accumulated grot out of your system it could be very useful!



Sue's MCS and ES have got a lot better by treating the Phase II pathways

(and gut disease), but in conjunction with this she avoids grapefruit

completely.



As Marc mentions, some drugs are detoxified by Phase I and have specific

warnings on the packet "do not take with grapefruit".



Ian



_____



From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of

Loni

Sent: 07 April 2010 19:53

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II



Hmmm, I love & eat grapefruit all the time. What do you mean it stops the

Phase I. For how long & how? Never heard that before. I have problems with

the liver. Loni



--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.

<mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com> wrote:



From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II

To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com

Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 11:42 AM



> I did not understand this post at all Diane? Is grapefruit bad or good?



Grapefruit stops liver phase I activity, which has a nice side effect

of stopping detox and making you feel better. But of course, since

the goal is the *eventually* detox, you should not take it all the

time.



I think this also applies to Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE). At least,

a few drops of this can often make me feel better. But maybe that

is the anti-fungal/ bacterial/ virus properties (?)



Marc



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