Filter comparison II

Hi, R,
 
I never took the "Seacure" you mention, but I also overcame most of my foodintolerances (except glutens and sugars).  At one time, I could eat only 5 foods without major gastric/other problems.  I used (large doses of) quercitin also to achieve this.  I was also on Omega 3-6-9 and other supplements at the time.  (Fish oils and fatty acids, but not anything specifically for amino acids.) 

Diane   er....GHC  ;)

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To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 12:54 PM


 



Did you ever try a product called Seacure for your leaky gut? Along with other things like quercetin, my reactions to food (which were horrible, like bad all-over rashes, a month or more ago) have diminished a lot.

Seacure is hydrolyzed (fermented, or predigested) white fish; super absorbed by the body, and contains amino acids that can help heal the gut lining.  There are a lot of good reports on it.  A few have mentioned odd reactions to it, but not most folks.  Could be worth a go.  Good luck!

R.

--- On Sun, 4/11/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Glutithione
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Received: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 5:30 PM

 

Hi Ian,

 

Sue sounds a lot like my me. I also have the low glutithione & has something to do with genetics. I do injections every other day. What was the magesium sulphate for?  

 

I also have severe leaky gut as well.

 

I'm taking Milk Thystle for the liver.

 

Loni

 

 

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net>

Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 3:05 PM

 

Hi Loni,

We didn't find supplements etc were enough to deal with Sue's problems. We

had tests which showed her sulphate and glutathione were very low (a later

genetic test showed the gene for the latter was missing). So intravenous

infusions of glutathione and magnesium sulphate, plus injections and baths

of the latter to top up, were needed, as she had leaky gut too - big vicious

circle. It took a couple of years of gradual treatment (expensive) and she

is now a lot better, but has plateau'd.

On grapefruit - it may or may not be a problem for you, but worth trying out

avoiding it to see if it makes a difference. Twice a week doesn't sound so

bad, I thought it sounded as if you had it virtually daily. (Ironically, I

do, but I'm fortunate enough to be in good health).

Ian

_____

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Sent: 09 April 2010 03:40

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox

Hi Ian,

I agree with you on the liver pathways being the big picture in not dealing

with pollution. A liver test that measures enzymes & a protein is not an

effective test for liver function.

What did Sue take for improving Phase II?

I don't really eat grapefruit all the time. Twice a week I guess. Don't

think I'll be doing that much anymore.

Loni

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From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>

ukgateway.net>

Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox

To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com

Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 5:05 PM

Hi Loni,

Liver metabolic pathways (detox) consist of Phase I and Phase II. Lots of

people with MCS and ES seem to have problems with one or more of the Phase

II pathways being missing or broken. But problems with Phase I could give

similar symptoms.

It might be worth trying giving up grapefruit for a period and see what

effect it has. Of course, you might feel worse for a time if the detox

which had previously been inhibited starts going. But if it then helps to

clear some accumulated grot out of your system it could be very useful!

Sue's MCS and ES have got a lot better by treating the Phase II pathways

(and gut disease), but in conjunction with this she avoids grapefruit

completely.

As Marc mentions, some drugs are detoxified by Phase I and have specific

warnings on the packet "do not take with grapefruit".

Ian

_____

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Loni

Sent: 07 April 2010 19:53

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II

Hmmm, I love & eat grapefruit all the time. What do you mean it stops the

Phase I. For how long & how? Never heard that before. I have problems with

the liver. Loni

--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II

To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com

Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 11:42 AM

> I did not understand this post at all Diane? Is grapefruit bad or good?

Grapefruit stops liver phase I activity, which has a nice side effect

of stopping detox and making you feel better. But of course, since

the goal is the *eventually* detox, you should not take it all the

time.

I think this also applies to Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE). At least,

a few drops of this can often make me feel better. But maybe that

is the anti-fungal/ bacterial/ virus properties (?)

Marc

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I'm taking sezcure myself for IBS.
I recommend only getting the packets, 2 caps wrapped individually because the bottles just smell really bad! I get mine from iherb.com

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Yo GHC,

I'm glad to hear the quercetin helped.  As with other people, I'm sureI'd be worse off yet had I not discovered I don't tolerate gluten, and cutit out.

I'm still off all grains, beans, dairy (except butter), and seeds.  I can tolerate nuts more now (though no peanuts!), but too many can make me itch or give me a headache.  I might try a couple of duck eggs later today or tomorrow, haven't eaten eggs in weeks, though have heard that ones from ducks are better tolerated than chicken eggs.  Good luck,

R.

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Hi, R,

 

I never took the "Seacure" you mention, but I also overcame most of my foodintolerances (except glutens and sugars).  At one time, I could eat only 5 foods without major gastric/other problems.  I used (large doses of) quercitin also to achieve this.  I was also on Omega 3-6-9 and other supplements at the time.  (Fish oils and fatty acids, but not anything specifically for amino acids.) 



Diane   er....GHC  ;)



--- On Mon, 4/12/10, R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca> wrote:



From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

Subject: RE: [eSens] Glutithione

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 12:54 PM



 



Did you ever try a product called Seacure for your leaky gut? Along with other things like quercetin, my reactions to food (which were horrible, like bad all-over rashes, a month or more ago) have diminished a lot.



Seacure is hydrolyzed (fermented, or predigested) white fish; super absorbed by the body, and contains amino acids that can help heal the gut lining.  There are a lot of good reports on it.  A few have mentioned odd reactions to it, but not most folks.  Could be worth a go.  Good luck!



R.



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From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>

Subject: RE: [eSens] Glutithione

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Received: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 5:30 PM



 



Hi Ian,



 



Sue sounds a lot like my me. I also have the low glutithione & has something to do with genetics. I do injections every other day. What was the magesium sulphate for?  



 



I also have severe leaky gut as well.



 



I'm taking Milk Thystle for the liver.



 



Loni



 



 



--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net> wrote:



From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net>



Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox



To: eSens@yahoogroups. com



Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 3:05 PM



 



Hi Loni,



We didn't find supplements etc were enough to deal with Sue's problems. We



had tests which showed her sulphate and glutathione were very low (a later



genetic test showed the gene for the latter was missing). So intravenous



infusions of glutathione and magnesium sulphate, plus injections and baths



of the latter to top up, were needed, as she had leaky gut too - big vicious



circle. It took a couple of years of gradual treatment (expensive) and she



is now a lot better, but has plateau'd.



On grapefruit - it may or may not be a problem for you, but worth trying out



avoiding it to see if it makes a difference. Twice a week doesn't sound so



bad, I thought it sounded as if you had it virtually daily. (Ironically, I



do, but I'm fortunate enough to be in good health).



Ian



_____



From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Loni



Sent: 09 April 2010 03:40



To: eSens@yahoogroups. com



Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox



Hi Ian,



I agree with you on the liver pathways being the big picture in not dealing



with pollution. A liver test that measures enzymes & a protein is not an



effective test for liver function.



What did Sue take for improving Phase II?



I don't really eat grapefruit all the time. Twice a week I guess. Don't



think I'll be doing that much anymore.



Loni



--- On Thu, 4/8/10, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@



<mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net> ukgateway.net> wrote:



From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>



ukgateway.net>



Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox



To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com



Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 5:05 PM



Hi Loni,



Liver metabolic pathways (detox) consist of Phase I and Phase II. Lots of



people with MCS and ES seem to have problems with one or more of the Phase



II pathways being missing or broken. But problems with Phase I could give



similar symptoms.



It might be worth trying giving up grapefruit for a period and see what



effect it has. Of course, you might feel worse for a time if the detox



which had previously been inhibited starts going. But if it then helps to



clear some accumulated grot out of your system it could be very useful!



Sue's MCS and ES have got a lot better by treating the Phase II pathways



(and gut disease), but in conjunction with this she avoids grapefruit



completely.



As Marc mentions, some drugs are detoxified by Phase I and have specific



warnings on the packet "do not take with grapefruit".



Ian



_____



From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of



Loni



Sent: 07 April 2010 19:53



To: eSens@yahoogroups. com



Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II



Hmmm, I love & eat grapefruit all the time. What do you mean it stops the



Phase I. For how long & how? Never heard that before. I have problems with



the liver. Loni



--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.



<mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com> wrote:



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Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II



To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com



Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 11:42 AM



> I did not understand this post at all Diane? Is grapefruit bad or good?



Grapefruit stops liver phase I activity, which has a nice side effect



of stopping detox and making you feel better. But of course, since



the goal is the *eventually* detox, you should not take it all the



time.



I think this also applies to Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE). At least,



a few drops of this can often make me feel better. But maybe that



is the anti-fungal/ bacterial/ virus properties (?)



Marc



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Ha! Same place I got mine; they do have quite good prices on some things, even though I'm in Canada, it's still often cheaper than going to a local store, if getting enough items at once.  I got mine in packets as well -bit wasteful packaging, but the reviews warned of the smell from the bottle.  Take care,

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I'm taking sezcure myself for IBS.

I recommend only getting the packets, 2 caps wrapped individually because the bottles just smell really bad! I get mine from iherb.com



--- On Mon, 4/12/10, R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca> wrote:



> From: R. Ticle <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

> Subject: RE: [eSens] Glutithione

> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 9:54 AM

> Did you ever try a product called

> Seacure for your leaky gut? Along with other things like

> quercetin, my reactions to food (which were horrible, like

> bad all-over rashes, a month or more ago) have diminished a

> lot.

>

> Seacure is hydrolyzed (fermented, or predigested) white

> fish; super absorbed by the body, and contains amino acids

> that can help heal the gut lining.  There are a lot of good

> reports on it.  A few have mentioned odd reactions to it,

> but not most folks.  Could be worth a go.  Good luck!

>

> R.

>

> --- On Sun, 4/11/10, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>

> wrote:

>

> From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>

> Subject: RE: [eSens] Glutithione

> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

> Received: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 5:30 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>  

>

>

>    

>      

>      

>       Hi Ian,

>

>  

>

> Sue sounds a lot like my me. I also have the

> low glutithione & has something to do with genetics. I

> do injections every other day. What was the magesium

> sulphate for?  

>

>  

>

> I also have severe leaky gut as well.

>

>  

>

> I'm taking Milk Thystle for the liver.

>

>  

>

> Loni

>

>  

>

>  

>

>

>

> --- On Fri, 4/9/10, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway.

> net> wrote:

>

>

>

> From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net>

>

> Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox

>

> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

>

> Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 3:05 PM

>

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Hi Loni,

>

>

>

> We didn't find supplements etc were enough to deal with

> Sue's problems. We

>

> had tests which showed her sulphate and glutathione were

> very low (a later

>

> genetic test showed the gene for the latter was missing).

> So intravenous

>

> infusions of glutathione and magnesium sulphate, plus

> injections and baths

>

> of the latter to top up, were needed, as she had leaky gut

> too - big vicious

>

> circle. It took a couple of years of gradual treatment

> (expensive) and she

>

> is now a lot better, but has plateau'd.

>

>

>

> On grapefruit - it may or may not be a problem for you, but

> worth trying out

>

> avoiding it to see if it makes a difference. Twice a week

> doesn't sound so

>

> bad, I thought it sounded as if you had it virtually daily.

> (Ironically, I

>

> do, but I'm fortunate enough to be in good health).

>

>

>

> Ian

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

>

> From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups.

> com] On Behalf Of Loni

>

> Sent: 09 April 2010 03:40

>

> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

>

> Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox

>

>

>

> Hi Ian,

>

>

>

> I agree with you on the liver pathways being the big

> picture in not dealing

>

> with pollution. A liver test that measures enzymes & a

> protein is not an

>

> effective test for liver function.

>

>

>

> What did Sue take for improving Phase II?

>

>

>

> I don't really eat grapefruit all the time. Twice a week I

> guess. Don't

>

> think I'll be doing that much anymore.

>

>

>

> Loni

>

>

>

> --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@

>

> <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>

> ukgateway.net> wrote:

>

>

>

> From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.

> kemp%40ukgateway .net>

>

> ukgateway.net>

>

> Subject: RE: [eSens] Grapefruit and detox

>

> To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups.

> com> com

>

> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 5:05 PM

>

>

>

> Hi Loni,

>

> Liver metabolic pathways (detox) consist of Phase I and

> Phase II. Lots of

>

> people with MCS and ES seem to have problems with one or

> more of the Phase

>

> II pathways being missing or broken. But problems with

> Phase I could give

>

> similar symptoms.

>

>

>

> It might be worth trying giving up grapefruit for a period

> and see what

>

> effect it has. Of course, you might feel worse for a time

> if the detox

>

> which had previously been inhibited starts going. But if it

> then helps to

>

> clear some accumulated grot out of your system it could be

> very useful!

>

>

>

> Sue's MCS and ES have got a lot better by treating the

> Phase II pathways

>

> (and gut disease), but in conjunction with this she avoids

> grapefruit

>

> completely.

>

>

>

> As Marc mentions, some drugs are detoxified by Phase I and

> have specific

>

> warnings on the packet "do not take with grapefruit".

>

>

>

> Ian

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

>

> From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups.

> com] On Behalf Of

>

> Loni

>

> Sent: 07 April 2010 19:53

>

> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

>

> Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II

>

>

>

> Hmmm, I love & eat grapefruit all the time. What do you

> mean it stops the

>

> Phase I. For how long & how? Never heard that before. I

> have problems with

>

> the liver. Loni

>

>

>

> --- On Wed, 4/7/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.

>

> <mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com> wrote:

>

>

>

> From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc%

> 40ufoseries. com> com>

>

> Subject: Re: [eSens] Filter comparison II

>

> To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups.

> com> com

>

> Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 11:42 AM

>

>

>

> > I did not understand this post at all Diane? Is

> grapefruit bad or good?

>

>

>

> Grapefruit stops liver phase I activity, which has a nice

> side effect

>

> of stopping detox and making you feel better. But of

> course, since

>

> the goal is the *eventually* detox, you should not take it

> all the

>

> time.

>

>

>

> I think this also applies to Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE).

> At least,

>

> a few drops of this can often make me feel better. But

> maybe that

>

> is the anti-fungal/ bacterial/ virus properties (?)

>

>

>

> Marc

>

>

>

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