Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

I'm EMF sensitive, strongly to wi-fi signals as well as newer computers. Luckily I have an old monitor that is very low EMF, so no problem. But I need a new computer soon, and I dont know what to do.

There arent very clear ways to shield computers, other then just "stay far away from them as possible". Is there just something simple I can do to prevent my computer from harming me with EMF? One website even suggested a cactus, is this ridiculous advice?

I am considering a laptop as well, only because Im thinking it might be easier to shield it. Of course, I would need a way to disable the wi-fi. I believe simply turning off the wifi card doesnt solve the problem, am I right?

I need help to have a EMF safe computer or laptop, please give your advise!

Thanks,
Ace

Hi Ace,



I've had an Asrock Ion 330HT Nettop for the last month, and I'm doing very
well with it. It's the size of a lunchbox and can easily be hidden/stored
away from you.



Here's an update on my Asrock Ion 330 HT. I have the 4GB memory upgrade.



A few days in the PC is turning out to be a great purchase, EMF and dirty
electricity readings have kept very low.



The magnetic readings come out of at 1.5ish on the 0-3 magnetic range on a
Trifield meter. Nothing coming out of radio or electric ranges. I decided
to turn the Wi-fi off.



The dirty electricity readings on the stetzer monitor come out no higher
than the base of the house. I've tried this by comparing the reading I have
with all my sockets turned off, bar the one in use for the meter, and
compared this against the one socket in use for the PC.



It's a great little PC, not only for normal PC use but also for reducing EMF
exposures.



Regards



David





From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
acekingsuited06
Sent: 15 February 2010 04:42
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?





I'm EMF sensitive, strongly to wi-fi signals as well as newer computers.
Luckily I have an old monitor that is very low EMF, so no problem. But I
need a new computer soon, and I dont know what to do.

There arent very clear ways to shield computers, other then just "stay far
away from them as possible". Is there just something simple I can do to
prevent my computer from harming me with EMF? One website even suggested a
cactus, is this ridiculous advice?

I am considering a laptop as well, only because Im thinking it might be
easier to shield it. Of course, I would need a way to disable the wi-fi. I
believe simply turning off the wifi card doesnt solve the problem, am I
right?

I need help to have a EMF safe computer or laptop, please give your advise!

Thanks,
Ace





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Hi David - thanks for the update. May I ask what type of monitor you are using with the Asrock Ion Nettop?

As good as this desktop, or nettop sounds, I'm afraid that it just won't bevery practical for me go the desktop route (even very small ones would pose a problem). Just one of the reasons: I need something portable that I can hook up to a printer in the basement - I need to bring the computer to the printer, because I won't be able to bring the printer to the computer. (This nettop seems pretty portable, but I would need a monitor to be able to use the printer.) And there are other drawbacks to having a desktop set-up in my bedroom that may/would be hard to live with.  

~Svetaswan


--- In [hidden email], "David Clover" <davidc6162@...> wrote:

Hi Ace - I'm in a very similar boat...I've been suffering from symptoms from my laptop/Wi-Fi and I'm in the market for a computer (laptop) that may bemore tolerable...so I'll be interested in all responses to your inquiry.

I've come across the cactus suggestion too - from more than one source. The idea may not be all that ridiculous - although this doesn't account for how ridiculous you might *feel* for surrounding your computer with cactus/cacti, lol. I haven't tried the cactus-method myself, but it has been my experience that putting things on or near my computer to try to make it more tolerable only has a limited and/or temporary effect. (The things I've triedmay have only had a placebo effect.) Granted, I've only tried a couple of"devices", so there might be something out there (Q-Link Pendant?) that I haven't tried that has a long-term, consistent effect.

~Svetaswan



--- In [hidden email], "acekingsuited06" <acekingsuited06@...> wrote:

Hi Ace,

I also prefer a laptop for practicality, but the only one I can stand is a 4.5-year-old Acer... in the meantime I've bought another one second hand (not easy to find!) just to have one once this one crashes!

I've tried 5 different new laptops 2 years ago: IBM, hp, Apple,... and theyall got me sick (even without typing on them and with Wi-fi disabled).

I think laptops somehow emit more harmful EMF for me...

I seem to have less problems with desktops. Maybe it's because a laptop is closer to the body but I'm not sure that's the reason why...

If you would find a laptop you can bear it is advisable to hook up a portable keyboard, otherwise you receive a lot of EMF just by typing.

Maybe if there are people you know that have laptops you can test them first? I asked in the computer shop if I could test some different laptops for 20 minutes/laptop in my car...

Good luck, in the meantime I'll have a cactus up for a test ;)
Best regards,
Stephen.




--- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@...> wrote:

> I've come across the cactus suggestion too - from more than one source.
> The idea may not be all that ridiculous - although this doesn't account
> for how ridiculous you might *feel* for surrounding your computer with
> cactus/cacti, lol.

Many years ago I *did* try surrounding my PC with plants, acting on the
suggestion that this might help.

It didn't. Not at all.

Marc

Some 10 years ago I collected cacti as well, had several big ones, and theyshowed no influence. But I could place my bet they did improve the situation in the room just immediately after watering (what is very rare with cacti :-( )...
Anyway, it would be interesting finding out how that myth is so widespread...

By the way, I am about to try to put a large aquarium in front of the monitor, as some say it stops "longitudinal waves"... Any advices before I startas not to waste time and money if the issue was known already?

Drasko


--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

Hi Again,



I actually own a standard LCD monitor - 20.4 inch from a UK firm named DABS.




I have the WDS product Computer Clear on my PC. This helps neutralise EMFs
coming out of monitor and PC. WDS are a company who work on making products
from Bio Resonance technology. I'm very happy with their products, and I
can personally recommend them. Here's a link to them, if you want to
investigate:



http://www.wds-global.com/





In terms of protable net-tops, you could always look at the Fit PC? It's
another low energy PC, but it also seems that you can buy a mini 7" display
for it? I don't have any personal experience of this product though.



http://fit-pc.co.uk/order-now.html#FitPC2_ACCESSORIES





Regards



David







From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
svetaswan
Sent: 15 February 2010 11:30
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?







Hi David - thanks for the update. May I ask what type of monitor you are
using with the Asrock Ion Nettop?

As good as this desktop, or nettop sounds, I'm afraid that it just won't be
very practical for me go the desktop route (even very small ones would pose
a problem). Just one of the reasons: I need something portable that I can
hook up to a printer in the basement - I need to bring the computer to the
printer, because I won't be able to bring the printer to the computer. (This
nettop seems pretty portable, but I would need a monitor to be able to use
the printer.) And there are other drawbacks to having a desktop set-up in my
bedroom that may/would be hard to live with.

~Svetaswan

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "David
Clover" <davidc6162@...> wrote: have
> with all my sockets turned off, bar the one in use for the meter, and
> compared this against the one socket in use for the PC.
>
>
>
> It's a great little PC, not only for normal PC use but also for reducing
EMF




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In addition to the EMF there is flame retardant in these as well as other toxic chemicals in the components themselves. All can add to the EMF reaction. Loni

--- On Mon, 2/15/10, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 8:04 AM


 



Hi Ace,

I also prefer a laptop for practicality, but the only one I can stand is a 4.5-year-old Acer... in the meantime I've bought another one second hand (not easy to find!) just to have one once this one crashes!

I've tried 5 different new laptops 2 years ago: IBM, hp, Apple,... and theyall got me sick (even without typing on them and with Wi-fi disabled).

I think laptops somehow emit more harmful EMF for me...

I seem to have less problems with desktops. Maybe it's because a laptop is closer to the body but I'm not sure that's the reason why...

If you would find a laptop you can bear it is advisable to hook up a portable keyboard, otherwise you receive a lot of EMF just by typing.

Maybe if there are people you know that have laptops you can test them first? I asked in the computer shop if I could test some different laptops for 20 minutes/laptop in my car...

Good luck, in the meantime I'll have a cactus up for a test ;)
Best regards,
Stephen.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "svetaswan" <svetaswan@. ..> wrote:








     

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> In addition to the EMF there is flame retardant in these as well as other
> toxic chemicals in the components themselves. All can add to the EMF
> reaction.

Of course, reacting to flame retardants isn't an "EMF reaction", although
it's probably hard for someone to tell the difference if they've got both
chemical sensitivities and electrical sensitivities.

Marc

In a message dated 15/02/2010 22:31:49 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]
writes:

Maybe if there are people you know that have laptops you can test them
first? I asked in the computer shop if I could test some different laptops for
20 minutes/laptop in my car...

Good luck, in the meantime I'll have a cactus up for a test ;)
Best regards,
Stephen.



PUK replies - I know someone who has a laptop that he left to out gas for
ages and it may evan be sheilded to some degree. Do you want his contact
details as he was selling it recently


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In a message dated 15/02/2010 20:55:42 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

By the way, I am about to try to put a large aquarium in front of the
monitor, as some say it stops "longitudinal waves"... Any advices before I
start as not to waste time and money if the issue was known already?

Drasko



Hi Drasko I guess you should make sure that the aquarium is not hooked up
to the mains otherwise its the ussual trouble with re-radiation

puk


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When I first started looking for a solution for my e-sens to computers, I put like 6 cacti around my monitor but there was really no difference maybea small difference but it was hard to tell , the reason maybe you felt better after watering them was that water emits negative ions into the air while monitors and electronics emit positive ions ( which are not good for you). Ive tried many laptops and a few netbooks and a mac mini, some where a bit better than others, but they all made me feel really bad, I ended up keeping an aluminum macbook pro which was slightly better than the others.


My current setup basically consists of my macbook pro connected to a projector using a DVI fiber optic cable. My mouse and keyboard are connected to the computer using a USB fiber optic cable, and everything is connected to atripp lite isobar surge protector, I can say Im pretty much symptom free now I dont get any symptoms now, only if Im on like the whole day at the endof the day I get some very minor symptoms.I use to start getting face burnand rashes within 5 minutes when I use to use my macbook pro alone.


-Cristian

Thanks for the info, on this topic, I am taking this all on board. Can I ask everyone what you all do for a living? Right now I work in admin and am in front of a computer all day and no-one is listening to my concerns so I can't stay here much longer. I am the only peson in the ofice whose filing is bang up to date because I get up and do it every day so I can get away from my desk. I need a career that is not computer based but as you can imagine its hard because most industries are computer reliant. I am thinking of going into primary school teaching because that would mean less time in front of a computer, I have some teaching experience, I love working withchildren and I think I would be a good teacher. I have doubts about teaching in a secondary/ high school because of all the wi- fi and mobile phones which don't really affect me now, but they might do  later down the line. :-( What does everyone else do for a living and how do you manage?

Diane


 

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From: cris_aov <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wed, 17 February, 2010 7:54:09
Subject: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

 
When I first started looking for a solution for my e-sens to computers, I put like 6 cacti around my monitor but there was really no difference maybe a small difference but it was hard to tell , the reason maybe you felt better after watering them was that water emits negative ions into the air while monitors and electronics emit positive ions ( which are not good for you). Ive tried many laptops and a few netbooks and a mac mini, some where a bit better than others, but they all made me feel really bad, I ended up keeping an aluminum macbook pro which was slightly better than the others.

My current setup basically consists of my macbook pro connected to a projector using a DVI fiber optic cable. My mouse and keyboard are connected to the computer using a USB fiber optic cable, and everything is connected to atripp lite isobar surge protector, I can say Im pretty much symptom free now I dont get any symptoms now, only if Im on like the whole day at the endof the day I get some very minor symptoms.I use to start getting face burnand rashes within 5 minutes when I use to use my macbook pro alone.

-Cristian





     

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> My mouse and keyboard are
> connected to the computer using a USB fiber optic cable

I don't recall you reporting if the fiber optic cable for your
keyboard and mouse made any noticeable difference in computer
tolerance/symptoms?

Marc

Most printers now can print from a thumb drive or
memory stick, so you don't need the whole computer.

Does the Asrock have an external power supply?
If so, how many volts?

Bill


On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:29 AM, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:


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Hi Bill,

The Asrock does have an external power supply. It's a 19v adaptor.


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bill
Bruno
Sent: 17 February 2010 15:59
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?

Most printers now can print from a thumb drive or
memory stick, so you don't need the whole computer.

Does the Asrock have an external power supply?
If so, how many volts?

Bill


On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:29 AM, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Hi David - thanks for the update. May I ask what type of monitor you are
> using with the Asrock Ion Nettop?
>
> As good as this desktop, or nettop sounds, I'm afraid that it just won't
be
> very practical for me go the desktop route (even very small ones would
pose
> a problem). Just one of the reasons: I need something portable that I can
> hook up to a printer in the basement - I need to bring the computer to the
> printer, because I won't be able to bring the printer to the computer.
(This
> nettop seems pretty portable, but I would need a monitor to be able to use
> the printer.) And there are other drawbacks to having a desktop set-up in
my hidden/stored
> > away from you.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's an update on my Asrock Ion 330 HT. I have the 4GB memory upgrade.
> >
> >
> >
> > A few days in the PC is turning out to be a great purchase, EMF and
dirty
> > electricity readings have kept very low.
> >
> >
> >
> > The magnetic readings come out of at 1.5ish on the 0-3 magnetic range on
> a
> > Trifield meter. Nothing coming out of radio or electric ranges. I
decided

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I recently got the USB fiber optic cable, I does make a nice difference though not as big a difference as the DVI fiber optic cable did for me. One issue I have with is that at my end it needs to be powered by an adapter butits ,only a 2 prong adapter so its not grounded, Im trying to figure out away to ground it, I think Im going to buy a metal keyboard and just groundthe chassis of the keyboard , Im also thinking of buying a lithium or leadacid battery for it so I can just power it on battery, basically powering my keyboard and mouse on battery.

-Cris

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

Are there any (sorry if this is a dumb question) USB fiber optic cables youknow of that can work with mice and keyboards which don't require their own power source? (Such as is the case, if I'm correct, with the fiber optic DVI cable?)

Cheers

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, cris_aov <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: cris_aov <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: fiber optic cable
To: [hidden email]
Received: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 11:52 PM







 



 


   
     
     
I recently got the USB fiber optic cable, I does make a nice difference though not as big a difference as the DVI fiber optic cable did for me. One issue I have with is that at my end it needs to be powered by an adapter but its ,only a 2 prong adapter so its not grounded, Im trying to figureout a way to ground it, I think Im going to buy a metal keyboard and just ground the chassis of the keyboard , Im also thinking of buying a lithium or lead acid battery for it so I can just power it on battery, basically powering my keyboard and mouse on battery.



-Cris



--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

>

> > My mouse and keyboard are

> > connected to the computer using a USB fiber optic cable

>

> I don't recall you reporting if the fiber optic cable for your

> keyboard and mouse made any noticeable difference in computer

> tolerance/symptoms?

>

> Marc

>





   
     

   
   


 



 






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yes theres basically two types of fiber optic cables


1. This type is powered on one end by the computer and the other end by a power adapter. This one has only fiber optic cable in between.

2. The hybrid type which is powered at both ends by the computer. This cable uses fiber optic cables to send the information and a metal power cable to power the other end.

-Cris

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