Computers and Laptops: whats the solution?
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I think that a misunderstanding is here.
Ozone generators are hardly to find. Negative ion generators are most common. The may produce a very small amount of ozone. But a lot may emit a large quantity of VLF. And it is this *dirty air*, that may give your adverse reactions. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vandevijvere" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? Yes, about the ozone generator, I had one for testing. I didn't like (or couldn't stand) the slight smell of paint in our warehouse (it was painted the year before)... With the ozone generator working, it did remove the smell of the paint, but it did give me (and my mother) an immediate headache! It's probably quite toxic, wouldn't advise it to anybody... Stephen. --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 8:01 PM > And (concerning Puk's reaction) of course outside there are definitely > more negative ions than inside... Unless you are using a negative ion generator... although I find that most of these make my skin feel all "prickly" (I guess "pins and needles" is a common term for this). The less powerful ozone generators seem to generate a tolerable amount of negative ions, though. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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In a message dated 08/03/2010 16:25:03 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: Humidity: the more the better (also read Dr. Dietrich Grün's experiments on water as the best isolation for the harmful longitudinal waves; that's probably why I feel better when it rains) I feel worse when it rains ?! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Charles, with me it was an ozone generator, it came from a Dutch company. After I returned the machine I read more things about ozone and it occurred to me that it might not be legal to sell machines like that in Europe!
--- On Tue, 3/9/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 6:53 AM I think that a misunderstanding is here. Ozone generators are hardly to find. Negative ion generators are most common. The may produce a very small amount of ozone. But a lot may emit a large quantity of VLF. And it is this *dirty air*, that may give your adverse reactions. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijver [hidden email]> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? Yes, about the ozone generator, I had one for testing. I didn't like (or couldn't stand) the slight smell of paint in our warehouse (it was painted the year before)... With the ozone generator working, it did remove the smell of the paint, but it did give me (and my mother) an immediate headache! It's probably quite toxic, wouldn't advise it to anybody... Stephen. --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote: From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 8:01 PM > And (concerning Puk's reaction) of course outside there are definitely > more negative ions than inside... Unless you are using a negative ion generator... although I find that most of these make my skin feel all "prickly" (I guess "pins and needles" is a common term for this). The less powerful ozone generators seem to generate a tolerable amount of negative ions, though. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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One should be aware that there are a lot of salesmen, *who don't know horse
from shit* and promise you a seat in heaven, as long as you are buying theit rubbish. One should also be aware, that there are different types of ozone, good ones and bad ones. There are manufacturors of negative ione generators, who claim that with their product no ozone comes free. There are others who claim to have good ozone as a by product. Google, and see. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vandevijvere" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? Charles, with me it was an ozone generator, it came from a Dutch company. After I returned the machine I read more things about ozone and it occurred to me that it might not be legal to sell machines like that in Europe! --- On Tue, 3/9/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 6:53 AM I think that a misunderstanding is here. Ozone generators are hardly to find. Negative ion generators are most common. The may produce a very small amount of ozone. But a lot may emit a large quantity of VLF. And it is this *dirty air*, that may give your adverse reactions. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijver [hidden email]> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? Yes, about the ozone generator, I had one for testing. I didn't like (or couldn't stand) the slight smell of paint in our warehouse (it was painted the year before)... With the ozone generator working, it did remove the smell of the paint, but it did give me (and my mother) an immediate headache! It's probably quite toxic, wouldn't advise it to anybody... Stephen. --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote: From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 8:01 PM > And (concerning Puk's reaction) of course outside there are definitely > more negative ions than inside... Unless you are using a negative ion generator... although I find that most of these make my skin feel all "prickly" (I guess "pins and needles" is a common term for this). The less powerful ozone generators seem to generate a tolerable amount of negative ions, though. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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> Ozone generators are hardly to find.
> > Negative ion generators are most common. > The may produce a very small amount of ozone. Yes, ion generators are more common, but in the USA, there are also a lot of ozone generators sold online, from a variety of manufacturers, using a variety of different ozone-producing technologies. In my house we've got some from BioZone Scientific and also EcoQuest. This eliminates the smell of pets, and makes the air smell fresh. But like I said, most of these generators produce far more ozone than is "natural", so you might have to put a timer on them so they are only active for a fraction of the day. Marc |
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Hi, Paul,
I am worse when it rains, too, but I suspect it might be due to the cell phone and microwave towers being cranked up during bad weather. Do you find those to be worse during bad weather? Diane --- On Tue, 3/9/10, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 4:22 AM In a message dated 08/03/2010 16:25:03 GMT Standard Time, stephen_vandevijver [hidden email] writes: Humidity: the more the better (also read Dr. Dietrich Grün's experiments on water as the best isolation for the harmful longitudinal waves; that's probably why I feel better when it rains) I feel worse when it rains ?! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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On the whole yes, snow or rain. I have developed really bad tinitus in
the last month worse in right ear, it was always bad, but I am having to get used to another level know, not sure whats cuasing it ? ps I have posted on youtube 2 vids - one High emf readings in car and Plasma TV rfi effecting electrosensitive, I also have some related poetry recited by me in an orange mask !! In a message dated 14/03/2010 19:00:46 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: Hi, Paul, I am worse when it rains, too, but I suspect it might be due to the cell phone and microwave towers being cranked up during bad weather. Do you find those to be worse during bad weather? Diane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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The chemicals certainly can be producing their own effects.
I just learned something about a week ago though.- Laptops with wifi, when you turn them off are not really off, and still transmitting for ?length oftime. It was being talked about as a way for thieves to detect laptops in cars with some gadget, by picking up it's emitting for wifi. A bit like your cell phone is off, but it's not really all the way off. Cell phone you could put in a lead shielded bag made for film, and it won'treceive, when not in use. ~Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], Poker Addict <acekingsuited06@...> wrote: > > > I suspect it has a lot more factors involved then just EMF > waves. Chemicals used in manufacturing, wi-fi, and perhaps other > toxic aspects of computers we arent even aware of such as the plastics > or metals they use. > > > > I know it is more then just EMF, cause a lot of computers and computer > components and other devices bother me even when they are turned off! > |
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Hi, Snoshoe,
That was why Dell techs helped me remove the cards (wifi and broadband) from my computer altogether. They told me the cards cannot be totally turned off. The switches that computers have to turn them off only dampen the signal. Otherwise they are always capable of receiving signals. Diane --- On Sun, 3/21/10, snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote: From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 6:49 PM The chemicals certainly can be producing their own effects. I just learned something about a week ago though.- Laptops with wifi, when you turn them off are not really off, and still transmitting for ?length oftime. It was being talked about as a way for thieves to detect laptops in cars with some gadget, by picking up it's emitting for wifi. A bit like your cell phone is off, but it's not really all the way off. Cell phone you could put in a lead shielded bag made for film, and it won'treceive, when not in use. ~Snoshoe --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Poker Addict <acekingsuited06@ ...> wrote: > > > I suspect it has a lot more factors involved then just EMF > waves. Chemicals used in manufacturing, wi-fi, and perhaps other > toxic aspects of computers we arent even aware of such as the plastics > or metals they use. > > > > I know it is more then just EMF, cause a lot of computers and computer > components and other devices bother me even when they are turned off! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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often bluetooth is on and that how theifs can detect these devices
In a message dated 22/03/2010 08:15:56 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: I just learned something about a week ago though.- Laptops with wifi, when you turn them off are not really off, and still transmitting for ?length of time. It was being talked about as a way for thieves to detect laptops in cars with some gadget, by picking up it's emitting for wifi. A bit like your cell phone is off, but it's not really all the way off. Cell phone you could put in a lead shielded bag [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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