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Hi guys, Stephen, is it possible that you could tell me the specific type of processor that's inside of your 4.5-year-old Acer? (Such as Intel Atom 1.6 GHz, orIntel Core 2 Duo 1.66 GHz, or Intel i7 1.20 GHz, etc.) And Heinrich (welcome, and thanks for that helpful post :) ), is it possible that you could tell me the specific type of processor that's inside of your Lenovo laptop? (The one that you're currently using and are having someproblems with, but are fond of anyway?) I'm still hunting around for a laptop, trying to make some sort of "educated guess" about one that I may (better) tolerate. Right now, I'm focused/obsessed with processors - since I've been informed that the type of processor can influence how tolerable a computer/laptop is. The Intel website has some helpful info about most of its processors - thispage, for ex., allows you to pull up the specific type of Intel processor you're interested in, and get info on its characteristics. One of the parameters I've been focusing on is the "Thermal Design Power" (TDP) - it is my impression (and those who are more knowledgable feel free to correct and/orelaborate) that the lower this number is, the better. Many of the Intel Atom processors, for ex., have TDPs in the low single digits! http://processorfinder.intel.com/Default.aspx I've found that some of the latest processors aren't found in this utility,but I've usually been able to get certain information on the unlisted processors by typing them into Google. Googling these processors has led me toa page like this one: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43568 Anyway, thanks in advance if you guys can provide me with your processor info. ~Svetaswan --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote: > > Hi Heinrich, > > Welcome here, > > I kinda have the same problem with laptops. I'm now still working on a 4.5 year old Acer as this is the only laptop I know I can stand... > > Like you, I've tried a lot of new laptops of different brands (I tried like 7 different ones) and with all of them I get sick. > > I don't have that much problem with desktops (any brand)/ > > About shielding, I don't know anything about that. Probably interesting things on this you can find by searching on older posts (download files and use PG Offload Shareware). > > I think the best to do is to put your laptop as far away from you as possible, I've read posts of people that hook up a projector for projection on the wall or on a tv-screen... I just have a seperate keyboard as I've read it makes a big difference (and you should also have a seperate mouse). > > Stephen. > > > > --- In [hidden email], "heinrichmontana" <heinrichmontana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm new to the group, but this thread is in-line with what I've been dealing with so I figured I'd share my history as it may help someone out. I'm in the information technology industry so staying away from PCs is hard :) > > > > I am sensitive newer machines (desktops or laptops) so for the last 5 years or so I've been using an older Toshiba Protégé M200 Table PC. To get more processing power I use Windows "Remote Desktop" to connect to morepowerful machines that are in different buildings. So far this has been working great, but I continue to look into whether I'll ever be able to get afaster laptop. Here's what I've tried: > > > > 1. Had to give my Toshiba M200 back to my previous employer three yearsago and I purchased an AMD Dual Core driven HP Laptop and found I was sensitive to laptops for the first time (was already senstive to newer cell phones so I had an idea of what was going on). I returned it. > > 2. I then tried a Lenovo X200 Tablet (had dual core Intel processors) thinking it may be the processor brand and found I was sensitive to that. > > 3. I then tried a newer version of the Toshiba Protégé (had Dual Core Intel Processors) thinking it was the brand of PC, but I still had issues > > 3. I ended up buying a used Toshiba M200 Tablet like I had at my previous employer which I still use now > > 4. Purchased a Compaq Presario driven by a Intel Celeron for my wife and I have no issues so I thought maybe it had to do with the processors and the new ULV processors would be better when they came out (they weren't released yet) > > 5. Recently purchased a Lenovo with ULV processors and although my sensitivity is not as bad as most other machines I still have issues (enough tokeep me looking) > > 6. I love the Lenovo so I sent the laptop to http://www.safelevel.com/ for shielding to test that out, but it didn't seem to help. They shielded the Low Frequencies so I'm assuming since I still have issues I'm sensitive to higher frequencies. I'm going to continue using the Lenovo for now in hopes I adjust to it ..wishful thinking I know. > > 7. As a final test on determining if it's based on processors I just ordered a Dell using an singe core Intel Celeron processor...I'm hoping I'll be able to use that and I'll let everyone know the results once I get it. > > > > So in summary, I have no solution yet other than a work around by usingan older machine and if you need more processing power find a way to storea high powered machine somewhere else and leverage "Remote Desktop". > > |
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I do not see the problem with the processors in computers.
I have tried to measure the impact of processors, but to no avail. Elektrosmog sources with computers are mostly the big transformer, the harddisks, some keyboards and mice, the cooling fans and the monitor. Here magnetic fields as well as VLF play an important part. I have also found with for instance an Acer laptop heavy VLF on the square touch field. There a mause is certainly needed. See also, that with table computers, the electricity must be grounded. (Without grounding it is possible that even Windows can crash!) And all connected apparatus must be grounded also. And if a grounding is not available, make one yourself. And don't be mistaken. *Dirty air* reaches very far with electrosensitives! Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "svetaswan" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:52 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? Hi guys, Stephen, is it possible that you could tell me the specific type of processor that's inside of your 4.5-year-old Acer? (Such as Intel Atom 1.6 GHz, or Intel Core 2 Duo 1.66 GHz, or Intel i7 1.20 GHz, etc.) And Heinrich (welcome, and thanks for that helpful post :) ), is it possible that you could tell me the specific type of processor that's inside of your Lenovo laptop? (The one that you're currently using and are having some problems with, but are fond of anyway?) I'm still hunting around for a laptop, trying to make some sort of "educated guess" about one that I may (better) tolerate. Right now, I'm focused/obsessed with processors - since I've been informed that the type of processor can influence how tolerable a computer/laptop is. The Intel website has some helpful info about most of its processors - this page, for ex., allows you to pull up the specific type of Intel processor you're interested in, and get info on its characteristics. One of the parameters I've been focusing on is the "Thermal Design Power" (TDP) - it is my impression (and those who are more knowledgable feel free to correct and/or elaborate) that the lower this number is, the better. Many of the Intel Atom processors, for ex., have TDPs in the low single digits! http://processorfinder.intel.com/Default.aspx I've found that some of the latest processors aren't found in this utility, but I've usually been able to get certain information on the unlisted processors by typing them into Google. Googling these processors has led me to a page like this one: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43568 Anyway, thanks in advance if you guys can provide me with your processor info. ~Svetaswan --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote: > > Hi Heinrich, > > Welcome here, > > I kinda have the same problem with laptops. I'm now still working on a 4.5 > year old Acer as this is the only laptop I know I can stand... > > Like you, I've tried a lot of new laptops of different brands (I tried > like 7 different ones) and with all of them I get sick. > > I don't have that much problem with desktops (any brand)/ > > About shielding, I don't know anything about that. Probably interesting > things on this you can find by searching on older posts (download files > and use PG Offload Shareware). > > I think the best to do is to put your laptop as far away from you as > possible, I've read posts of people that hook up a projector for > projection on the wall or on a tv-screen... I just have a seperate > keyboard as I've read it makes a big difference (and you should also have > a seperate mouse). > > Stephen. > > > > --- In [hidden email], "heinrichmontana" <heinrichmontana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm new to the group, but this thread is in-line with what I've been > > dealing with so I figured I'd share my history as it may help someone > > out. I'm in the information technology industry so staying away from PCs > > is hard :) > > > > I am sensitive newer machines (desktops or laptops) so for the last 5 > > years or so I've been using an older Toshiba Protégé M200 Table PC. To > > get more processing power I use Windows "Remote Desktop" to connect to > > more powerful machines that are in different buildings. So far this has > > been working great, but I continue to look into whether I'll ever be > > able to get a faster laptop. Here's what I've tried: > > > > 1. Had to give my Toshiba M200 back to my previous employer three years > > ago and I purchased an AMD Dual Core driven HP Laptop and found I was > > sensitive to laptops for the first time (was already senstive to newer > > cell phones so I had an idea of what was going on). I returned it. > > 2. I then tried a Lenovo X200 Tablet (had dual core Intel processors) > > thinking it may be the processor brand and found I was sensitive to > > that. > > 3. I then tried a newer version of the Toshiba Protégé (had Dual Core > > Intel Processors) thinking it was the brand of PC, but I still had > > issues > > 3. I ended up buying a used Toshiba M200 Tablet like I had at my > > previous employer which I still use now > > 4. Purchased a Compaq Presario driven by a Intel Celeron for my wife and > > I have no issues so I thought maybe it had to do with the processors and > > the new ULV processors would be better when they came out (they weren't > > released yet) > > 5. Recently purchased a Lenovo with ULV processors and although my > > sensitivity is not as bad as most other machines I still have issues > > (enough to keep me looking) > > 6. I love the Lenovo so I sent the laptop to http://www.safelevel.com/ > > for shielding to test that out, but it didn't seem to help. They > > shielded the Low Frequencies so I'm assuming since I still have issues > > I'm sensitive to higher frequencies. I'm going to continue using the > > Lenovo for now in hopes I adjust to it...wishful thinking I know. > > 7. As a final test on determining if it's based on processors I just > > ordered a Dell using an singe core Intel Celeron processor...I'm hoping > > I'll be able to use that and I'll let everyone know the results once I > > get it. > > > > So in summary, I have no solution yet other than a work around by using > > an older machine and if you need more processing power find a way to > > store a high powered machine somewhere else and leverage "Remote > > Desktop". > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Hi, I dont know if the ULV atom processors will really help much, I also tried many laptops I think more than 10, among those was the Dell Mini which had the Atom processor and it was pretty bad, I remember the laptop I had before that one was a toshiba u305 13.3" laptop and the mini was just as badas that one I think it was even a little worse. I think someone should really consider one of the Panasonic toughbooks, particularly the ones that are for military use, Ive seen some of the older versions pop up on ebay often. The military ones are RFI (EMF) filtered and shielded up to military standard (MIL-STD-461E), so that they wont interfere with the super sensitive equpiment the military use, much of these same EMFs that interefere with equipment is what affects us. I cant speak from experience and say it will work and be better though it seems that it would, but if I were in the market for a new computer this is what I would try. -Cris |
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> And if a grounding is not available, make one yourself.
How does one make their own ground, if the cord on a piece of electronics has no ground? Do we simply run a wire from the metal chassis of the electronics to the ground pin of a local power outlet? Marc |
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Svetaswan,
Specifications of my 4.5 year old laptop: Acer TravelMate 240 Intel Celeron CPU 2.60 GHz 752 Mb RAM 30 Gb HardDisk I think the Celeron-processor back then was the not-so-fast-Intel-processor. I don't know if the processor has got something to do with it... A copple of years ago I added some extra RAM and that's necessary if you want to run Office 2007 fluently. As Charles mentioned you always should hook up an external keyboard/mouse to a laptop, it's not that I feel a difference with an external keyboard butit is definitely much better emf-wise... Me, I can't stand recent laptops (I've tried like 7 different brands!), butwith most desktops I seem to be fine. Good luck, Stephen. --- On Fri, 3/5/10, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote: From: svetaswan <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 9:52 AM Hi guys, Stephen, is it possible that you could tell me the specific type of processor that's inside of your 4.5-year-old Acer? (Such as Intel Atom 1.6 GHz, orIntel Core 2 Duo 1.66 GHz, or Intel i7 1.20 GHz, etc.) And Heinrich (welcome, and thanks for that helpful post :) ), is it possible that you could tell me the specific type of processor that's inside of your Lenovo laptop? (The one that you're currently using and are having some problems with, but are fond of anyway?) I'm still hunting around for a laptop, trying to make some sort of "educated guess" about one that I may (better) tolerate. Right now, I'm focused/obsessed with processors - since I've been informed that the type of processorcan influence how tolerable a computer/laptop is. The Intel website has some helpful info about most of its processors - thispage, for ex., allows you to pull up the specific type of Intel processor you're interested in, and get info on its characteristics. One of the parameters I've been focusing on is the "Thermal Design Power" (TDP) - it is my impression (and those who are more knowledgable feel free to correct and/orelaborate) that the lower this number is, the better. Many of the Intel Atom processors, for ex., have TDPs in the low single digits! http://processorfin der.intel. com/Default. aspx I've found that some of the latest processors aren't found in this utility,but I've usually been able to get certain information on the unlisted processors by typing them into Google. Googling these processors has led me to a page like this one: http://ark.intel. com/Product. aspx?id=43568 Anyway, thanks in advance if you guys can provide me with your processor info. ~Svetaswan --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "stephen_vandevijve re" <stephen_vandevijve re@...> wrote: > > Hi Heinrich, > > Welcome here, > > I kinda have the same problem with laptops. I'm now still working on a 4.5 year old Acer as this is the only laptop I know I can stand... > > Like you, I've tried a lot of new laptops of different brands (I tried like 7 different ones) and with all of them I get sick. > > I don't have that much problem with desktops (any brand)/ > > About shielding, I don't know anything about that. Probably interesting things on this you can find by searching on older posts (download files and use PG Offload Shareware). > > I think the best to do is to put your laptop as far away from you as possible, I've read posts of people that hook up a projector for projection on the wall or on a tv-screen... I just have a seperate keyboard as I've read it makes a big difference (and you should also have a seperate mouse). > > Stephen. > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "heinrichmontana" <heinrichmontana@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm new to the group, but this thread is in-line with what I've been dealing with so I figured I'd share my history as it may help someone out. I'm in the information technology industry so staying away from PCs is hard :) > > > > I am sensitive newer machines (desktops or laptops) so for the last 5 years or so I've been using an older Toshiba Protégé M200 Table PC. To get more processing power I use Windows "Remote Desktop" to connect tomore powerful machines that are in different buildings. So far this has been working great, but I continue to look into whether I'll ever be able to get a faster laptop. Here's what I've tried: > > > > 1. Had to give my Toshiba M200 back to my previous employer three yearsago and I purchased an AMD Dual Core driven HP Laptop and found I was sensitive to laptops for the first time (was already senstive to newer cell phones so I had an idea of what was going on). I returned it. > > 2. I then tried a Lenovo X200 Tablet (had dual core Intel processors) thinking it may be the processor brand and found I was sensitive to that. > > 3. I then tried a newer version of the Toshiba Protégé (had Dual Core Intel Processors) thinking it was the brand of PC, but I still hadissues > > 3. I ended up buying a used Toshiba M200 Tablet like I had at my previous employer which I still use now > > 4. Purchased a Compaq Presario driven by a Intel Celeron for my wife and I have no issues so I thought maybe it had to do with the processors and the new ULV processors would be better when they came out (they weren't released yet) > > 5. Recently purchased a Lenovo with ULV processors and although my sensitivity is not as bad as most other machines I still have issues (enough tokeep me looking) > > 6. I love the Lenovo so I sent the laptop to http://www.safeleve l.com/for shielding to test that out, but it didn't seem to help. They shielded the Low Frequencies so I'm assuming since I still have issues I'm sensitiveto higher frequencies. I'm going to continue using the Lenovo for now in hopes I adjust to it…..wishful thinking I know. > > 7. As a final test on determining if it's based on processors I just ordered a Dell using an singe core Intel Celeron processor... I'm hoping I'llbe able to use that and I'll let everyone know the results once I get it. > > > > So in summary, I have no solution yet other than a work around by usingan older machine and if you need more processing power find a way to storea high powered machine somewhere else and leverage "Remote Desktop". > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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You can actually gruond a laptop via the headphone jack in the computer, You connect one end of the jack into the headphone input and on the other end you peel back the insulation exposing the braided shield around the cable, and you connect a ground to the braided shield. You can get a shielded cable at radio shack,. -Cris |
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Wow - I was hoping that I was on to something by searching for a laptop with the lowest-voltage processor I could manage (without sacrificing too muchin the performance area). I realize that the emf-issue concerning computers is probably more complex than simply focusing on the processor....but I was thinking/hoping that the processor was a big enough part of the equation that I would notice relief by getting a more voltage/heat efficient, "cooler-running" processor. So maybe I'm back to square one. from what I've seen, those Panasonic touchbooks are out of the question forme, budget-wise (and the prices I was looking at were just for the commercial version. I imagine that the military versions are even more expensive...if a "civilian" can even get his/her hands on one). I had resigned myself to paying $1,200 for a Macbook Pro *if* owning one would mean that I could use a laptop without getting ES symptoms and wrecking my health...but I can't do much higher than that. And the Touchbook prices I saw were much higher than $1,200. (Some of the sites selling Touchbooks don't list the prices at all, or they "hide" the prices as much as possible. When I noticed that, I knew the prices of those babies must be through the roof.) I guess one reason why I thought that laptops with low-voltage processors would be better for me is that I have generally noticed that my symptoms don't seem as severe when the ambient temperature is cooler - meaning, that the cooler the room is, the "milder" my symptoms seem to be. I've also noticed my symptoms getting worse when this laptop's cooling fans kick into a higher gear: when the fans get louder, I seem to experience an almost-immediate worsening of my symptoms. So I thought that searching for a processor that doesn't give off as much heat, and/or a "cooler-running" computer, would be a step (or a leap?) in the right direction. ~Svetaswan P.S. - even when my laptop's cooling fans don't get louder/kick into a highgear, I often notice feeling worse whenever I'm, say, watching YouTube vids or listening to streaming audio. --- In [hidden email], "cris_aov" <cris_aov@...> wrote: > > > Hi, I dont know if the ULV atom processors will really help much, I also tried many laptops I think more than 10, among those was the Dell Mini which had the Atom processor and it was pretty bad, I remember the laptop I hadbefore that one was a toshiba u305 13.3" laptop and the mini was just as bad as that one I think it was even a little worse. > > I think someone should really consider one of the Panasonic toughbooks, particularly the ones that are for military use, Ive seen some of the older versions pop up on ebay often. > > The military ones are RFI (EMF) filtered and shielded up to military standard (MIL-STD-461E), so that they wont interfere with the super sensitive equpiment the military use, much of these same EMFs that interefere with equipment is what affects us. I cant speak from experience and say it will work and be better though it seems that it would, but if I were in the marketfor a new computer this is what I would try. > > -Cris > |
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The old AC-to-DC adapter that was connected to my laptop (before it died the other day, and my dad went out and bought a cheap, 2-pronged replacement)was 3-pronged and presumably "grounded". Does this mean that my laptop itself was grounded - or was it just the adapter that was grounded? Even when a "grounded" adapter/power-supply is hooked up to a laptop - is it beneficial to hook up an additional "grounding wire" to the laptop itself? ~Svetaswan --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > I do not see the problem with the processors in computers. > > I have tried to measure the impact of processors, but to no avail. > > Elektrosmog sources with computers are mostly the big transformer, the > harddisks, some keyboards and mice, the cooling fans and the monitor. > Here magnetic fields as well as VLF play an important part. > > I have also found with for instance an Acer laptop heavy VLF on the square > touch field. > There a mause is certainly needed. > > See also, that with table computers, the electricity must be grounded. > (Without grounding it is possible that even Windows can crash!) > And all connected apparatus must be grounded also. > And if a grounding is not available, make one yourself. > > And don't be mistaken. > *Dirty air* reaches very far with electrosensitives! > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "svetaswan" <svetaswan@...> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:52 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? > > > I'm still hunting around for a laptop, trying to make some sort of "educated > guess" about one that I may (better) tolerate. Right now, I'm > focused/obsessed with processors - since I've been informed that the typeof > processor can influence how tolerable a computer/laptop is. > > The Intel website has some helpful info about most of its processors - this > page, for ex., allows you to pull up the specific type of Intel processor > you're interested in, and get info on its characteristics. One of the > parameters I've been focusing on is the "Thermal Design Power" (TDP) - itis > my impression (and those who are more knowledgable feel free to correct > and/or elaborate) that the lower this number is, the better. Many of the > Intel Atom processors, for ex., have TDPs in the low single digits! > > > > ~Svetaswan > > > > |
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In a message dated 07/03/2010 09:07:49 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: have generally noticed that my symptoms don't seem as severe when the ambient temperature is cooler - meaning, that the cooler the room is, the "milder" my symptoms seem to be. PUK replies - This is an interesting observation, I have noticed this in the past when using the laptop outdoors, maybe the lower temps have some effect on metabolism and somehow slow down/suppress the cascade of ES reactions ? Certainly there are many reports on humans who have suffered horrendous injuries but due to cold temperatures they have survived long enough to get appropriate treatment. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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You are right.
The adapter itsself is groundend, but normally, the wires from the adapter to your laptop are not three, but two wires, so your laptop is not grounded. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "svetaswan" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:26 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? > > > The old AC-to-DC adapter that was connected to my laptop (before it died > the other day, and my dad went out and bought a cheap, 2-pronged > replacement) was 3-pronged and presumably "grounded". Does this mean that > my laptop itself was grounded - or was it just the adapter that was > grounded? Even when a "grounded" adapter/power-supply is hooked up to a > laptop - is it beneficial to hook up an additional "grounding wire" to the > laptop itself? > > ~Svetaswan > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: >> >> I do not see the problem with the processors in computers. >> >> I have tried to measure the impact of processors, but to no avail. >> >> Elektrosmog sources with computers are mostly the big transformer, the >> harddisks, some keyboards and mice, the cooling fans and the monitor. >> Here magnetic fields as well as VLF play an important part. >> >> I have also found with for instance an Acer laptop heavy VLF on the >> square >> touch field. >> There a mause is certainly needed. >> >> See also, that with table computers, the electricity must be grounded. >> (Without grounding it is possible that even Windows can crash!) >> And all connected apparatus must be grounded also. >> And if a grounding is not available, make one yourself. >> >> And don't be mistaken. >> *Dirty air* reaches very far with electrosensitives! >> >> Greetings, >> Charles Claessens >> member Verband Baubiologie >> www.milieuziektes.nl >> www.milieuziektes.be >> www.hetbitje.nl >> checked by Norton >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "svetaswan" <svetaswan@...> >> To: <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:52 AM >> Subject: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? >> > >> >> I'm still hunting around for a laptop, trying to make some sort of >> "educated >> guess" about one that I may (better) tolerate. Right now, I'm >> focused/obsessed with processors - since I've been informed that the type >> of >> processor can influence how tolerable a computer/laptop is. >> >> The Intel website has some helpful info about most of its processors - >> this >> page, for ex., allows you to pull up the specific type of Intel processor >> you're interested in, and get info on its characteristics. One of the >> parameters I've been focusing on is the "Thermal Design Power" (TDP) - it >> is >> my impression (and those who are more knowledgable feel free to correct >> and/or elaborate) that the lower this number is, the better. Many of the >> Intel Atom processors, for ex., have TDPs in the low single digits! >> >> > >> ~Svetaswan >> >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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In a message dated 07/03/2010 10:02:45 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: The old AC-to-DC adapter that was connected to my laptop (before it died > the other day, and my dad went out and bought a cheap, 2-pronged > replacement) was 3-pronged and presumably "grounded". Does this mean that > my laptop itself was grounded - or was it just the adapter that was PUK REPLIES - I wonder if you were to bury a rainwater butt in the ground and fill it with water then drop the earthed rod into this would this make a superior earthing medium ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 07/03/2010 09:07:49 GMT Standard Time, > svetaswan@... writes: > > have generally noticed that my symptoms don't seem as severe when the > ambient temperature is cooler - meaning, that the cooler the room is, the > "milder" my symptoms seem to be. > > > PUK replies - This is an interesting observation, I have noticed this in > the past when using the laptop outdoors, maybe the lower temps have some > effect on metabolism and somehow slow down/suppress the cascade of ES > reactions ? Certainly there are many reports on humans who have suffered > horrendous injuries but due to cold temperatures they have survived longenough to > get appropriate treatment. > > ------->Interesting - I haven't really thought about it from a metabolic/physiology standpoint. I wish I knew for sure what is going on. I've been sort-of concentrating on what the heat-emr-symptoms relationship "reveals" as far as computer characteristics are concerned. I've been sort-of fixated on, "Oh - if I can only get a computer that doesn't give off asmuch heat..." and other related thoughts. Here is a page that you might find interesting. This page seems to indicate that there is a relationship between the "heat" a device gives off and the emr. It seems to claim that the "hotter" an object gets, the more radiation of higher-frequencies emitted: http://wapedia.mobi/en/Thermal_radiation Here is a page that talks about Thermal Design Power: http://tech.icrontic.com/articles/a-primer-on-tdp-what-it-is-and-why-you-should-care/ ~Svetaswan |
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--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote: > > > PUK REPLIES - I wonder if you were to bury a rainwater butt in the ground > and fill it with water then drop the earthed rod into this would this make a > superior earthing medium ? > ---------->I don't know. I could be wrong, but it sounds like a superior way to die. ;-) ~Svetaswan |
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Moist soil is good for grounding, but water isn't that great. Adding ashes
to the soil is supposed to help if it's poor dry soil. What you really want is a short path to ground, with wide, woven wire or straps. Don't ground your laptop two ways....that makes a ground loop. ULV has potential, but the problem is when you have different things on the board using different voltages, that's more switch mode regulators. Good design is possibly most important... if they use ground planes, good short connectors, good bonding of shields, then you don't get large resonances that radiate the 'dirty air' as Charles calls it. So if they screw up it can be terrible. Unfortunately, even if they do everything right, it's still not going to be damage free for us. Unless they really shield the heck out of it (which they can't for the monitor). I'm told even the military shielded keyboards are not good enough for someone who's very sensitive. Please keep the reports coming in... if it's a machine you like that's still available please describe every option and where you bought it. Also, how many hours a day you can use it without symptoms. Bill On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:38 AM, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, paulpjc@... wrote: > > > > > > > PUK REPLIES - I wonder if you were to bury a rainwater butt in the ground > > > and fill it with water then drop the earthed rod into this would this > make a > > superior earthing medium ? > > > > ---------->I don't know. I could be wrong, but it sounds like a superior > way to die. ;-) > > ~Svetaswan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Wow - I was hoping that I was on to something by searching for a laptop with the lowest-voltage processor I could manage (without sacrificing too much in the performance area). I realize that the emf-issue concerning computers is probably more complex than simply focusing on the processor....but I was thinking/hoping that the processor was a big enough part of the equation that I would notice relief by getting a more voltage/heat efficient, "cooler-running" processor. So maybe I'm back to square one. from what I've seen, those Panasonic touchbooks are out of the question forme, budget-wise (and the prices I was looking at were just for the commercial version. I imagine that the military versions are even more expensive...ifa "civilian" can even get his/her hands on one). I had resigned myself to paying $1,200 for a Macbook Pro *if* owning one would mean that I could use a laptop without getting ES symptoms and wrecking my health...but I can't do much higher than that. And the Touchbook prices I saw were much higher than $1,200. (Some of the sites selling Touchbooks don't list the prices at all, or they "hide" the prices as much as possible. When I noticed that, I knew the prices of those babies must be through the roof.) I guess one reason why I thought that laptops with low-voltage processors would be better for me is that I have generally noticed that my symptoms don't seem as severe when the ambient temperature is cooler - meaning, that the cooler the room is, the "milder" my symptoms seem to be. I've also noticed my symptoms getting worse when this laptop's cooling fans kick into a higher gear: whenthe fans get louder, I seem to experience an almost-immediate worsening of my symptoms. So I thought that searching for a processor that doesn't give off as much heat, and/or a "cooler-running" computer, would be a step (or a leap?)in the right direction. ~Svetaswan P.S. - even when my laptop's cooling fans don't get louder/kick into a high gear, I often notice feeling worse whenever I'm, say, watching YouTube vidsor listening to streaming audio. _________________________ Yeah I was really surprised to find the atom processors were so bad. Thereswas another big computer thread recently where a guy went out and bought an eee PC and returned it because he found it to be just as bad as his old laptop he was replacing , so Im not the only one. I was actually suggesting you check out the used market like on ebay or craigslist I remember seeing some older versions for less than 700, you can probably resell them on ebay and recover most of your costs if you dont like it. Out of everything I tried I kept my Aluminum macbook pro, thats not to say that it was good it still made me feel just horrible , but it was "a little" better than the other ones I tried. I also noticed I felt a little better when the computer wasnt as hot, but keeping a computer cool isnt the end all to felling bad from a computer IMO.Theres some programs that will help keep your computer cool, on macs its called coolbook it basically reduces the processor voltage, for Windows you will have to do some research but I know theres programs out there that will keep your computer from getting hot. -Cris |
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In a message dated 07/03/2010 15:00:35 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: ------->Interesting - I haven't really thought about it from a metabolic/physiologInteresting - I haven't really thought about it from a I've been sort-of concentrating on what the heat-emr-symptoms relationship "reveals" as far as computer characteristics are concerned. I've been sort-of fixated on, "Oh - if I can only get a computer that doesn't give off as much heat..." and other related thoughts. Puk replies - Hope you find a computer that works for you, as far as the above is concerned, one thing that the Thermal EMR wont constructively contain will be information carrying RF/MW so perhaps thats why thermal radiation can be more theraputic and soothing. The heat issue may be a red hot herring. As far as finding a computer is concerned another observation of mine is that you might find one that seems ok for a while but then you start to react to it over time, due to the immune system beggining to recognise the new EMF profile of that machine, essensially saying you cant fool me ! What you want is a device that constantly scrambles the signal (hey isnt that noise feild technology ?)or perhaps serveral computers that you rotate in use, even then your ES evolved receptors will begin to sniff out the toxic elements of the EMR and seek to protect you - ie in the simplest terms force you as the organism to flee and get your distance. Change your lifestyle - necessity is the mother of invention, you will find a way. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Puk and Svetaswan,
I'm not sure the warmth has an impact on the ES-symptoms. What is definitely important for ES-ers is: -Humidity: the more the better (also read Dr. Dietrich Grün's experiments on water as the best isolation for the harmful longitudinal waves; that's probably why I feel better when it rains) -Negative ions (or fresh air!): the more the better If I put on my heating in my room it gets warmer but the air also gets a lot dryer and with less negative ions... So it may not be the temperature butthe influence of the humidity and negative ions on the ES-symptoms... And (concerning Puk's reaction) of course outside there are definitely morenegative ions than inside... Stephen. --- On Sun, 3/7/10, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 9:46 AM In a message dated 07/03/2010 09:07:49 GMT Standard Time, svetaswan@yahoo. com writes: have generally noticed that my symptoms don't seem as severe when the ambient temperature is cooler - meaning, that the cooler the room is, the "milder" my symptoms seem to be. PUK replies - This is an interesting observation, I have noticed this in the past when using the laptop outdoors, maybe the lower temps have some effect on metabolism and somehow slow down/suppress the cascade of ES reactions ? Certainly there are many reports on humans who have suffered horrendous injuries but due to cold temperatures they have survived long enough to get appropriate treatment. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> And (concerning Puk's reaction) of course outside there are definitely
> more negative ions than inside... Unless you are using a negative ion generator... although I find that most of these make my skin feel all "prickly" (I guess "pins and needles" is a common term for this). The less powerful ozone generators seem to generate a tolerable amount of negative ions, though. Marc |
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Yes, about the ozone generator, I had one for testing. I didn't like (or couldn't stand) the slight smell of paint in our warehouse (it was painted the year before)...
With the ozone generator working, it did remove the smell of the paint, butit did give me (and my mother) an immediate headache! It's probably quite toxic, wouldn't advise it to anybody... Stephen. --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Computers and Laptops: whats the solution? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 8:01 PM > And (concerning Puk's reaction) of course outside there are definitely > more negative ions than inside... Unless you are using a negative ion generator... although I find that most of these make my skin feel all "prickly" (I guess "pins and needles" is a common term for this). The less powerful ozone generators seem to generate a tolerable amount of negative ions, though. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I think it depends on the method that the ozone is produced -- I don't
think ozone is toxic by itself (despite what many claim), but some of the generators have toxic byproducts (e.g. nitric oxide). Also, most of these generators produce far too much ozone for small enclosed spaces. When it comes to paint, better (for me) to smell ozone than paint... Marc On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:44:51 -0800 (PST), "Stephen Vandevijvere" <[hidden email]> said: > Yes, about the ozone generator, I had one for testing. I didn't like > (or couldn't stand) the slight smell of paint in our warehouse (it was > painted the year before)... > > With the ozone generator working, it did remove the smell of the > paint, but it did give me (and my mother) an immediate headache! It's > probably quite toxic, wouldn't advise it to anybody... |
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