Canopy experiment

Hi Marc,

I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)

I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence between the canopy and the mat.    

The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.     The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside the canopy than other places in the house.    

Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results.    when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still great news.

Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes after I am outside of the canopy.
I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I awoke with increased tinnitus.

Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,  my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.  The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in ringing.  

I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.   I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.

Moving on :)
Sue

 

On June 30, ob4567 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Marc,
> I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)

Wow, thanks for that, Sue.  That was quite the experiment!

I can't say that I've ever tried canopies... I try to stick to things
that wouldn't look too weird to visitors.  :-)

(plus, I've never had much luck with conventional shielding
solutions anyway)

Marc

Sue,

I apologize for intruding. 
Have you tried stacking cases of water against walls where the high measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.

Al

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Hi Marc,

I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)

I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence between the canopy and the mat.

The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.     The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside the canopy than other places in the house.

Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results.    when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still great news.

Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes after I am outside of the canopy.
I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I awoke with increased tinnitus.

Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,  my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.  The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in ringing.

I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.   I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.

Moving on :)
Sue


 

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--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
> On June 30, ob4567 <sueandgerry@...> wrote:
> > Hi Marc,
> > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
>
> Wow, thanks for that, Sue.  That was quite the experiment!
>
>


Sure :).

>
>I can't say that I've ever tried canopies... I try to stick to things
> that wouldn't look too weird to visitors.  :-)
>

lol Understood.

> (plus, I've never had much luck with conventional shielding
> solutions anyway)
>

so far, I'm in the same boat.  

> Marc
>

Al,

Thanks you for your post.   You are not intruding at all.
Very fascinating post it is, too.  :D
     
>  
> Have you tried stacking cases of water against walls where the high measurements are coming from?  Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of water.
>

No!  I didn't know about this.  The highest amount of RF comes from the ceiling in that room.   But even so, it's still possible to put cases of water against the wall facing the outside of the house to reduce to reduce the RF.
 
>    
> Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.
>

You know, I've wondered about that.  We do keep most of the circuit breakers turned off during the day, and more at night.   Unfortunately, the "canopy room"  has the wires in one wall that feed the central air/heating and wired alarm system.   These are normally on 24 hours a day.    On some days, there may be some wiggle room in turning off the breaker that feeds these.  

In the meantime, I'm going to wait awhile to see if my ears calm down a bit before doing another test.  But I'm definitely finding a way to implement your ideas when I do.  

THANK YOU!
Sue  

I got such a reaction from highperformance silver mesh many years ago that  
I hung on my large bedroom window.  I to suffer from tinitus and as you say
 the its the same as if someone has let off a large explosive next to you
ie  the after effects.  Could cosmic rays enter the canopy ? mind you if they
 can get in they can get out right ?  One other thought is that your body  
may be reacting to the stark difference within the canopy, its as if you
have  just stepped into outer space, your body is not necessarily going to take
it  lying down its a completely foreign feeling so hence a reaction perhaps
a form  of purging takes place but its not a good feeling.
 
puk
 
ps what is the make of the canopy you have plus sizes oh and all impoertant
 how much ?
 
 
In a message dated 6/30/2013 3:42:50 P.M. Dateline Standard Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
Al,

Thanks you for your post. You are not intruding at all.
Very  fascinating post it is, too. :D

>  
> Have you tried  stacking cases of water against walls where the high
measurements are coming  from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of water.
>

No! I didn't  know about this. The highest amount of RF comes from the
ceiling in that room.  But even so, it's still possible to put cases of water
against the wall facing  the outside of the house to reduce to reduce the RF.

>
> Make  sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I have
found that  energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.
>

You  know, I've wondered about that. We do keep most of the circuit
breakers turned  off during the day, and more at night. Unfortunately, the "canopy
room" has  the wires in one wall that feed the central air/heating and wired
alarm  system. These are normally on 24 hours a day. On some days, there
may be some  wiggle room in turning off the breaker that feeds these.

In the  meantime, I'm going to wait awhile to see if my ears calm down a
bit before  doing another test. But I'm definitely finding a way to implement
your ideas  when I do.

THANK YOU!
Sue
can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I  need to
start looking for low EMF places to spend time in. (Trying to avoid  permanent
relocation). The canopy is extra large so there is lots of room  inside of
it. It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well below 1800Mhz to  10Ghz. It's
pad is grounded directly to earth ground rather than through the  electrical
outlet grounds in the room and the canopy material rests on the  pad. There
is 1.2 ohms resistence between the canopy and the mat.
>  
> The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it  
registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals. The ELF  
meter shows nothing. Body voltage is considerably less inside the canopy than  
other places in the house.
>
> Once inside, my body relaxes in a  way it does not when I am outside of
it. I energy tested a friend and my  sweetie when they were inside of it and
my friend tested me. The energy tests  show great results. when I step
outside after being in it for awhile, I feel  like my body has decompressed, I
seem to be taller. It doesn't last, but still  great news.
>
> Now here's the downside. When I'm inside, within  moments a lot of my
skin feels sensitive. If I remain inside the canopy for  awhile, my skin starts
to sting. And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes  after I am outside
of the canopy.
> I had this feeling only once before  - when I tried to wear RF shielding
fabric. And like the canopy, the skin  sensation change is almost immediate.
This is the reason I got an extra large  canopy to be as far away from the
material as possible. Also after being in  it, I awoke with increased
tinnitus.
>
> Did one more 1 minute  test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out, my
ears felt like they had been  exposed to an incredibly loud noise. The
ringing increased. I'm suspecting the  canopy for the increase in ringing.
>
> I've heard that many  people have their health improve with the use of
canopies. And I've been told  that canopies can produce an "orgon box" affect.
That is when some frequencies  get inside the canopy and bounce around. Our
body emits electrical fields as  well and they dissipate. The orgon-box
affect causes the body's fields to be  reflected back onto itself rather than
to dissipate. they can build up. I've  also heard that tinnitus is on the
rise because of EMF's. I'm guessing this is  what might have happened. Glad I
didn't sleep in it lol. I'm not going to use  it as is.
>
> Moving on :)
> Sue
>
>
>  
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been  removed]
>






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I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.

Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
such as mat or canopy.
do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.

Lynn D

--- In [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@...> wrote:

Sue,

I also had similar experience with a canopy. When I first set it up and get under it -- relief. But after a half hour or so, I feel worse and have to get out. I assume it's because EMF builds up inside the thing (and mine's not grounded).

I do wear shields on my head at night and around my midsection whenever the radiation starts my kidneys hurting. The best I've found is from Belly Armor. I've had the best results combining the shielded fabric directly on my body with a grounding mat for my feet.

Christine

--- In [hidden email], "ob4567" <sueandgerry@...> wrote:

Hi Puk,

>
> I got such a reaction from highperformance silver mesh many years ago
that
> I hung on my large bedroom window.

Sorry to hear.   What kind of reaction did you get?


> I to suffer from tinitus and as you say
>  the its the same as if someone has let off a large explosive next to
you
> ie  the after effects.  Could cosmic rays enter the canopy ? mind you
if they
>  can get in they can get out right ?


Going by the definition I just found on the net, I'd say no.

"Cosmic Rays. Despite their name, cosmic rays are not a part of the
electromagnetic spectrum. Instead of radiation, cosmic rays are
high-energy charged particles that travel through space at nearly the
speed of light. Their extremely high energies are comparable to those of
gamma rays at the upper end of the electromagnetic spectrum. The
highest-energy cosmic rays originate outside our galaxy and provide
information on distant objects such as quasars. Cosmic rays are detected
when they hit the upper atmosphere, creating showers of particles in
their interaction with atoms. These secondary particles can then be
detected by instruments on the ground."

But you asked something I always thought made sense.   If a frequency
can get into a canopy, why wouldn't it be able to get out?   I can't
answer that, but have been told that frequencies can get inside of a
canopy and bounce around rather than make a clean shot through it.   And
the bouncing affect can alter the frequency and shape of the waves
inside the canopy.

>One other thought is that your body
> may be reacting to the stark difference within the canopy, its as if
you
> have  just stepped into outer space, your body is not necessarily
going to take
> it  lying down its a completely foreign feeling so hence a reaction
perhaps

You have a good point about our body experiencing an abrupt change.
According to the energy medicine model that I'm studying, one of the
body's meridians (energy pathways inside the body) can get activated
because change can mean "threat" to it.   This activation can create
different forms of discomfort.

Another factor could be that the symptoms I am experiencing are the
expression of how my particular brain and nervous system interpret this
canopy experience.  Someone else may have a completely different
experience inside the same canopy.

> a form  of purging takes place but its not a good feeling.
>

Understood about the detoxing.   On the other hand.  I've spent 3 days
at Lake Pillsbury CA where there are no signals at all,  and I didn't
have any symptoms.   Just felt wonderful.  Only got symptoms once
re-entering into towns.     So I suspect something about being inside
canopy is just wrong for me.

> ps what is the make of the canopy you have plus sizes oh and all
impoertant

Aaronia <http://www.aaroniausa.com/screeningCanopies.shtml>


> it is  how much ?

$3,500.   Expensive experiment!   But if it had worked, it would mean I
could use it to rejuvinate, get away from the LTE which is coming to our
neighborhood soon and remain at home.    And also be able to do my body
work in inside the canopy.    I find that energy medicine can show
people that they are electrically sensitive in an unmistakable way, even
though they don't normally feel anything.  And a workable canopy would
be a great aide to that end!

the EMF consultant I  talked with recommends shielding the whole house,
which would be much more costly.   And there are a lot more problems
connected to that plan.     So this was my best shot given the
circumstances.

Thanks for your thoughts  :)

Sue

--- On Sun, 6/30/13, ob4567 <[hidden email]> wrote:

"When I'm inside, within moments a lot of my skin feels sensitive.  If I
remain inside the canopy for awhile, my skin starts to sting.   And it
continues to sting for about 5 minutes after I am outside of the canopy."

Sue,

You said your canopy was quite large, meaning that it could be picking up EMF from the electrical wires in the floor of the room it is in, or the walls, or the appliances or electronics in the room, or electrical outlets or neighbors.  Also, you are not supposed to have any metal inside the canopy.  I think this sounds like the most likely cause of the problem in addition to the grounding.

If you want to make sure, expand your experiment by doing this:  Take the canopy and put it up somewhere where there is no outlets, no wires, no electronics and then see if it bothers you to be in it.  I bet you would find it didn't.  Obviously the canopy is picking something up.

I mentioned before that I reacted to the socks from Less EMF.  They made my feet sting and I couldn't wear them, just like your canopy is doing to you, making it seem that it is the fabric itself that is picking up EMF of some sort and transferring it to the body.   When I put aluminum hardware screen up over my walls, windows and floors, I found that being in that room caused my skin to sting and crawl, as if waves were bouncing around.  So I made the situation worse.   I don't think any of us know the exact mechanism of what is happening with the shielding but it seems obvious that when your skin stings or prickles you are getting hit with EMF or RF in the form of waves, transients, currents, reflections, dirty electricity, or what have you.  

Messages that have been posted previously on the subject discuss the possibility that metal particles are coming out of the fabric and making a person sick, presumably by breathing them in.
 As we discussed before, on page 3 at http://www.next-up.org/pdf/Andrew_Michrowski_Ph_D_Exposition_Cem_21_04_2009.pdf 
Andew Michrowski gives evidence that EMR does in fact cause metal corrosion which indicates that canopies could shed metal particles. 

I know my aluminum hardware screen shielding does leach metal ions - sometimes you can taste it in your mouth.  The silver in Aaronia Shield or any silver thread fabric, does oxidize over time and the fabric can change color and loose effectivity.  But I think any corrosion from microwaves on your Aaronia canopy would occur over time and I don't think you have had your canopy long enough for it to do this.  Also, I don't think that explains the stinging skin.

Some discuss the possibility that the canopy is radiating dirty electricity or high frequency transients in the 100khz - 1mghz range.  Or that the low frequency electric fields are coupling with the fabric.  I know that I get stinging skin from Cell Towers, Wi-Fi but also from EMF's in cars and stereo speakers - and magnets.  So EMF transients and dirty electricity can also cause stinging skin and I think that is the most likely explanation.  You said the canopy pad was grounded to the earth.  The grounding does not eliminate the Magnetic aspect of any EMF the canopy may be picking up.   I know I am sensitive to the Magnetic part of the electromagnetic frequencies and as i said, it causes me physical symptoms, including stinging skin. 

So expand your canopy experiment further by not only taking it away from EMF sources, but by taking off the grounding cords and then see if you still get the skin stinging.  The problem could be magnetic.  I would be interested to know the results as many people have no problem with canopies and some do so it may be how where they are set up.  But then again, it may have nothing to do with EMF's just like the silver thread socks from Less EMF made my feet sting just by putting them on.

On the Mast-Victims.org forum in July 2010 Henrik Tvenge said in response to the Topas Canopy Thread:
"There is another problem. I can see that approx. one third of the people sleeping in a canopy will sleep very good for a couple of days. Then they sleep bad for up to 10 days. Thereafter sleep is good. We had this tested by doctors who measure number of stress hormones etc. They came back and informed us that it is the same thing when you take alcohol ,away from an alcoholic. The body has got used to the electromagnetic fields.
When you are sleeping in a canopy there are no or very little field strength. Your body will start looking for the fields and will be nervous until the body realizes that there are not fields anymore. Thereafter you will sleep well. This happens to approx. 1/3 of the users" Best regards Henrik Tvenge  End

In June 2008, Charles Claessens posted a message to this list in response to someone about a Faraday canopy entitled: 
Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

He said:

"A faraday canopy is the very last thing we do recommend, because they generally
do have some disadvantages. Some people cannot stand them and throw them away after a few weeks. One disadvantage is, that the material is too close to the body, and electrical fields are attracted by the material. Also, something is happening with the air inside. The best canopies however are those of Aaronia. They do shield much more, do not have this *air-thing*, but cost more.  We prefer shielding against SOME walls and windows. And aluminum should be avoided."  End

Then Andrew responded by saying:
"Microwaves can travel around shielding like liquid.

You have to totally seal the room or it will leak and bounce around inside.

Shielding can also resonate with the frequencies and cause a detrimental effect in the
room.

Earth grounding can pull frequencies into the room.

All doom and gloom? Are we totally fu..,ked?

After thousands of dollars,  I have been unsuccessful in shielding my bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar.

Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over the windows, I feel worse in their
and consequently have made the room worse. I now sleep in another room of the
house." End


I am being bombarded with RF in my apartment and the only thing that saves  me is getting a break at night by sleeping sandwiched between shielding fabric (the fabric is sandwiched in between sheets - not making contact with my body) and putting my head in a box with shielding mesh fabric  over it.  People I know give me a bad time saying "I have never hear of  anybody sleeping with their head in a box.  What a kook."  I don't care what they say.  When they end up getting cataract surgery, they will wish they slept with their head in a box.  For some reason, I do not get any stinging or problems with this arrangement and I am very  sensitive.  There does not seem to be currents traveling up or inside  the fabric and I feel protected for the night.  I measured under the covers and inside the box, and the levels are almost nil, except there is still some faint Wi-Fi pulsing going on.  I noticed a  difference in my health right away by
 sleeping like this.  My symptoms went down 75%.  That is why I know for a fact that a key part of  healing from microwave illness is avoidance, which means, getting a break from it or at least reducing your levels, especially at night.  It has a lot to do with body burden.

C. Johnson
[hidden email]
Wireless Refugee


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Hi all,

I bought a canopy from www.wireless-protection.org in 2010. It is the Swiss Shield naturall material and cost me approx £800 at the time.  At first i used it in my bedroom and I did get a lot of releif from it, but after a while I got fed up with the hassle of getting in and out, making sure it touched the ground etc...plus my wife found it annoying!  So i used it downstairs in our study around the sofa bed for 'emergencies' like when i'd had a really bad day of exposure.  This was better than upstairs and again I got a lot of relief from it.  However, just recently I've been finding my symptoms don't get that much better when I am under it, and obviously I don't like sleeping downstairs apart from my wife so it has fallen by the weyside a bit.  I now just turn the electricity off at the mains to get a good night sleep.  

If anyone is interested in buying it from me, let me know, I'd be prepared to let it go for much less than the original price.  It definately helps to some extent and worth a try if you have not already tried one. But as we all know, everyone is different. Contact me direct on [hidden email] if you would like additional information.

I have tried so many things and spent so much money trying to find a cure for my condition but now I am focusing on healthy eating, supplements, excercise and general detoxification.  At the moment I am just about getting by...

Paul

--- In [hidden email], "ob4567" <sueandgerry@...> wrote:

Lynn,

>
> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
>

Yes,   it sounds like the microwave absorbing quality of water  could
possibly make it be a good insulator.

> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
> such as mat or canopy.

I'll give this some thought.   (I'm kinda chicken right now to try
another experiement, cluck cluck lol.)

> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?

No.

> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
>

re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent
naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/>   for a few years.
This guy has helped me so much!    I used to be pretty couch-bound
during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently.  
If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the
precautions I must take because of ES, etc.,  I'd think I was one of
healthiest people alive because I feel so good :).     So much of this
is because of his program and the information he provides.

And while his program cannot stop the effects of wireless technology, it
can locate and and provide support to organs and tissues that need
support.

Good luck if you decide to try homeopathy!

Sue


Good luck if you decide to try it! :)

Sue
--- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@..."  wrote: measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of
water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I
have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves. if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and
the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence
between the canopy and the mat.
> >
> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it
registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.    
The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside
the canopy than other places in the house.
> >
> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside
of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of
it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results.  
when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body
has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still
great news.
> >
> > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of
my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my
skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes
after I am outside of the canopy.
> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be
as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I
awoke with increased tinnitus.
> >
> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,
my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.
The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in
ringing.
> >
> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use
of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon
box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and
bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build
up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.  
I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it
lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.


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You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner.  


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On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:

Interesting - I have just come back after a day in the city and having been
 exposed to a colleagues 20 minute mobile call !!! Iam in headfog land
right now  ! One thing about the silver bobinet mesh is that it definitely has a
shelf life  and loses efficiacy in a couple of years or so, that's my
experience with hed  nets anyhow.
 
puk
 
 
In a message dated 7/3/2013 1:31:00 A.M. Dateline Standard Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
Hi all,

I bought a canopy from www.wireless-protection.org in 2010.  It is the
Swiss Shield naturall material and cost me approx £800 at the time.  At first i
used it in my bedroom and I did get a lot of releif from it, but  after a
while I got fed up with the hassle of getting in and out, making sure  it
touched the ground etc...plus my wife found it annoying! So i used it  
downstairs in our study around the sofa bed for 'emergencies' like when i'd  had a
really bad day of exposure. This was better than upstairs and again I  got a
lot of relief from it. However, just recently I've been finding my  symptoms
don't get that much better when I am under it, and obviously I don't  like
sleeping downstairs apart from my wife so it has fallen by the weyside a  
bit. I now just turn the electricity off at the mains to get a good night  
sleep.

If anyone is interested in buying it from me, let me know, I'd  be prepared
to let it go for much less than the original price. It definately  helps to
some extent and worth a try if you have not already tried one. But as  we
all know, everyone is different. Contact me direct on
_chelseapaul1010@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])  if you  would like additional
information.

I have tried so many things and  spent so much money trying to find a cure
for my condition but now I am  focusing on healthy eating, supplements,
excercise and general detoxification.  At the moment I am just about getting
by...

Paul

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "ob4567"  
<sueandgerry@...> wrote:






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C. Johnson,

>
> You said your canopy was quite large, meaning that it could be picking up EMF from the electrical wires in the floor of the room it is in, or the walls, or the appliances or electronics in the room, or electrical outlets or neighbors.  Also, you are not supposed to have any metal inside the canopy.
>

Hmm...My massage table has small metal screws...I'll take it out and put in a plastic chair for the next test.  


>
>  I think this sounds like the most likely cause of the problem in addition to the grounding.
>
> If you want to make sure, expand your experiment by doing this:  Take the canopy and put it up somewhere where there is no outlets, no wires, no electronics and then see if it bothers you to be in it.  I bet you would find it didn't.  Obviously the canopy is picking something up.
>

That's what I am thinking.  The canopy is designed to be suspended on 2 taught wires anchored on opposite walls just below the ceiling, making it difficult to use outside the house which has wires in every room.    What do you think of this idea?  I turn all power off in the house instead of moving it away from all wires?    
 
>
> I mentioned before that I reacted to the socks from Less EMF.  They made my feet sting and I couldn't wear them, just like your canopy is doing to you, making it seem that it is the fabric itself that is picking up EMF of some sort and transferring it to the body.   When I put aluminum hardware screen up over my walls, windows and floors, I found that being in that room caused my skin to sting and crawl, as if waves were bouncing around.  So I made the situation worse.  
>

I can so relate.  

>
I don't think any of us know the exact mechanism of what is happening with the shielding but it seems obvious that when your skin stings or prickles you are getting hit with EMF or RF in the form of waves, transients, currents, reflections, dirty electricity, or what have you.  
>

I wonder what a spectrum analyzer would show?  

> Messages that have been posted previously on the subject discuss the possibility that metal particles are coming out of the fabric and making a person sick, presumably by breathing them in.
>  As we discussed before, on page 3 at http://www.next-up.org/pdf/Andrew_Michrowski_Ph_D_Exposition_Cem_21_04_2009.pdf 
> Andew Michrowski gives evidence that EMR does in fact cause metal corrosion which indicates that canopies could shed metal particles. 
>

Wow!  these particles must be very small.

> I know my aluminum hardware screen shielding does leach metal ions - sometimes you can taste it in your mouth. 
>

I've had that kind of experience in the past, so again can relate.


>
 The silver in Aaronia Shield or any silver thread fabric, does oxidize over time and the fabric can change color and loose effectivity.  But I think any corrosion from microwaves on your Aaronia canopy would occur over time and I don't think you have had your canopy long enough for it to do this. 
>

Right.  

> Also, I don't think that explains the stinging skin.
>
> Some discuss the possibility that the canopy is radiating dirty electricity or high frequency transients in the 100khz - 1mghz range. 
>Or that the low frequency electric fields are coupling with the fabric. 
>

Interesting.

>
I know that I get stinging skin from Cell Towers, Wi-Fi but also from EMF's in cars and stereo speakers - and magnets. 
>

Yeowie, my sympathies.   Did that skin sensitivity to all of the above happen all at once or did you start developing the sensitivity to one, then another,  over time?
   
Magnets can be tricky for me too.  I can't work on people for long if they are holding a small magnet.  Causes my mind to go blank.   Stones that are commonly used to balance meridians and chakras can be too strong as well.  

>
 So EMF transients and dirty electricity can also cause stinging skin and I think that is the most likely explanation.  You said the canopy pad was grounded to the earth.  The grounding does not eliminate the Magnetic aspect of any EMF the canopy may be picking up. 
>

True...  I don't detect anything magnetic inside or around the canopy with the Trifield meter 100XE.  

>
>  I know I am sensitive to the Magnetic part of the electromagnetic frequencies and as i said, it causes me physical symptoms, including stinging skin. 
>
> So expand your canopy experiment further by not only taking it away from EMF sources, but by taking off the grounding cords and then see if you still get the skin stinging.  The problem could be magnetic.  I would be interested to know the results as many people have no problem with canopies and some do so it may be how where they are set up.
>

I'm wondering that too.   I'll let you know after I try that.

>
>  But then again, it may have nothing to do with EMF's just like the silver thread socks from Less EMF made my feet sting just by putting them on.
>

In my case, I'm at least 3 feet away from the material when inside.  

> On the Mast-Victims.org forum in July 2010 Henrik Tvenge said in response to the Topas Canopy Thread:
> "There is another problem. I can see that approx. one third of the people sleeping in a canopy will sleep very good for a couple of days. Then they sleep bad for up to 10 days. Thereafter sleep is good. We had this tested by doctors who measure number of stress hormones etc. They came back and informed us that it is the same thing when you take alcohol ,away from an alcoholic. The body has got used to the electromagnetic fields.
> When you are sleeping in a canopy there are no or very little field strength. Your body will start looking for the fields and will be nervous until the body realizes that there are not fields anymore. Thereafter you will sleep well. This happens to approx. 1/3 of the users" Best regards Henrik Tvenge  End
>

Interesting.  And it makes sense.

 
> In June 2008, Charles Claessens posted a message to this list in response to someone about a Faraday canopy entitled: 
> Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
>
> He said:
>
> "A faraday canopy is the very last thing we do recommend, because they generally
> do have some disadvantages. Some people cannot stand them and throw them away after a few weeks.
>

lol I can imagine :)

>
>One disadvantage is, that the material is too close to the body, and electrical fields are attracted by the material.

Hmm.  Is Charles Claessens including the electrical fields emanating from our body being attracted to the material too?  Not just from the live wires in the area?   I'm asking because at first the skin sensitivity made me think of suction on the skin that is sensitive.  

WOW!

> All doom and gloom? Are we totally fu..,ked?
>
> After thousands of dollars,  I have been unsuccessful in shielding my bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar.
>
> Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over the windows, I feel worse in their
> and consequently have made the room worse. I now sleep in another room of the
> house." End
>
>

Just amazing...


> I am being bombarded with RF in my apartment and the only thing that saves  me is getting a break at night by sleeping sandwiched between shielding fabric (the fabric is sandwiched in between sheets - not making contact with my body)
>

does this fabric reflect RF rather than absorb it?   Have you tried any Rf absorbing material?  If so, what do you think about it?

>
 and putting my head in a box with shielding mesh fabric  over it.  People I know give me a bad time saying "I have never hear of  anybody sleeping with their head in a box.  What a kook."  I don't care what they say. 
>

Understood.

>
 When they end up getting cataract surgery, they will wish they slept with their head in a box.  For some reason, I do not get any stinging or problems with this arrangement and I am very  sensitive. 
>

Interesting.



>
There does not seem to be currents traveling up or inside  the fabric and I feel protected for the night.  I measured under the covers and inside the box, and the levels are almost nil, except there is still some faint Wi-Fi pulsing going on.  I noticed a  difference in my health right away by
>  sleeping like this.  My symptoms went down 75%. 
>

Very cool.

>
That is why I know for a fact that a key part of  healing from microwave illness is avoidance, which means, getting a break from it or at least reducing your levels, especially at night.  It has a lot to do with body burden.
>

Yes.   Thanks for all of your information, including the quotes!

Sue  
 

>
>
> You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner.  
>

I'm impressed with the simplicity of this.  So you stick the cases all the way to ceiling?  

It depends on the where the propagating source is coming from. I use a Gigahertz Solutions 38B to detect direction. If you don't have one just stack them around your bed at least three feet higher than your head.

It will be just like playing "fort" again, like when we were kids..........


________________________________
 From: ob4567 <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:11 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
 


 

>
>
> You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner.
>

I'm impressed with the simplicity of this.  So you stick the cases all the way to ceiling?


 

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>
> It depends on the where the propagating source is coming from. I use a Gigahertz Solutions 38B to detect direction. If you don't have one just stack them around your bed at least three feet higher than your head.
>
> It will be just like playing "fort" again, like when we were kids..........
>

Hahahaha.

I am on the third floor of an apartment building.  If I piled bottles of water up against the walls, the weight might cave the floor in and then I would get sued.

C. Johnson
[hidden email]
Wireless Refugee

--- On Wed, 7/3/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 4:45 PM
















 



 


   
     
     
     



You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner.  



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On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:



>

>Lynn,

>

>>

>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.

>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.

>>

>

>Yes,   it sounds like the microwave absorbing quality of water  could

>possibly make it be a good insulator.

>

>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.

>> such as mat or canopy.

>

>I'll give this some thought.   (I'm kinda chicken right now to try

>another experiement, cluck cluck lol.)

>

>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.

>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?

>

>No.

>

>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.

>>

>

>re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent

>naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/>   for a few years.

>This guy has helped me so much!    I used to be pretty couch-bound

>during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently.  

>If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the

>precautions I must take because of ES, etc.,  I'd think I was one of

>healthiest people alive because I feel so good :).     So much of this

>is because of his program and the information he provides.

>

>And while his program cannot stop the effects of wireless technology, it

>can locate and and provide support to organs and tissues that need

>support.

>

>Good luck if you decide to try homeopathy!

>

>Sue

>

>

>Good luck if you decide to try it! :)

>

>Sue

>--- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@..."  wrote:

>>

>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.

>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.

>>

>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.

>> such as mat or canopy.

>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.

>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?

>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.

>>

>> Lynn D

>>

>> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:

>> >

>> > Sue,

>> >

>> > I apologize for intruding.Â

>> > Have you tried stacking cases of water against walls where the high

>measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of

>water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I

>have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.

>> >

>> > Al

>> >

>> > ________________________________

>> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@

>> > To: [hidden email]

>> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:17 PM

>> > Subject: [eSens] Canopy experiment

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Â

>> > Hi Marc,

>> >

>> > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)

>> >

>> > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine

>if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I

>need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to

>avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is

>lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well

>below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth

>ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and

>the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence

>between the canopy and the mat.

>> >

>> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it

>registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.    

>The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside

>the canopy than other places in the house.

>> >

>> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside

>of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of

>it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results.  

>when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body

>has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still

>great news.

>> >

>> > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of

>my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my

>skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes

>after I am outside of the canopy.

>> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF

>shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is

>almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be

>as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I

>awoke with increased tinnitus.

>> >

>> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,

>my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.

>The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in

>ringing.

>> >

>> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use

>of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon

>box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and

>bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they

>dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be

>reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build

>up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.  

>I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it

>lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.

>> >

>> > Moving on :)

>> > Sue

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>> >

>>

>

>

>

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I'm sorry to here that. In your case I would move. 
I can see why you are sensitive....


________________________________
 From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
 


 
I am on the third floor of an apartment building.  If I piled bottles of water up against the walls, the weight might cave the floor in and then I would get sued.

C. Johnson
[hidden email]
Wireless Refugee

--- On Wed, 7/3/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 4:45 PM

 

You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner.

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On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:

>

>Lynn,

>

>>

>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.

>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.

>>

>

>Yes,   it sounds like the microwave absorbing quality of water  could

>possibly make it be a good insulator.

>

>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.

>> such as mat or canopy.

>

>I'll give this some thought.   (I'm kinda chicken right now to try

>another experiement, cluck cluck lol.)

>

>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.

>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?

>

>No.

>

>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.

>>

>

>re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent

>naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/>   for a few years.

>This guy has helped me so much!    I used to be pretty couch-bound

>during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently.

>If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the

>precautions I must take because of ES, etc.,  I'd think I was one of

>healthiest people alive because I feel so good :).     So much of this

>is because of his program and the information he provides.

>

>And while his program cannot stop the effects of wireless technology, it

>can locate and and provide support to organs and tissues that need

>support.

>

>Good luck if you decide to try homeopathy!

>

>Sue

>

>

>Good luck if you decide to try it! :)

>

>Sue

>--- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@..."  wrote:

>>

>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.

>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.

>>

>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.

>> such as mat or canopy.

>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.

>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?

>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.

>>

>> Lynn D

>>

>> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:

>> >

>> > Sue,

>> >

>> > I apologize for intruding.Â

>> > Have you tried stacking cases of water against walls where the high

>measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of

>water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I

>have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.

>> >

>> > Al

>> >

>> > ________________________________

>> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@

>> > To: [hidden email]

>> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:17 PM

>> > Subject: [eSens] Canopy experiment

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Â

>> > Hi Marc,

>> >

>> > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)

>> >

>> > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine

>if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I

>need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to

>avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is

>lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well

>below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth

>ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and

>the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence

>between the canopy and the mat.

>> >

>> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it

>registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.

>The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside

>the canopy than other places in the house.

>> >

>> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside

>of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of

>it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results.

>when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body

>has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still

>great news.

>> >

>> > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of

>my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my

>skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes

>after I am outside of the canopy.

>> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF

>shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is

>almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be

>as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I

>awoke with increased tinnitus.

>> >

>> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,

>my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.

>The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in

>ringing.

>> >

>> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use

>of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon

>box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and

>bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they

>dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be

>reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build

>up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.

>I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it

>lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.

>> >

>> > Moving on :)

>> > Sue

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>> >

>>

>

>

>

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