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Hi Al,
It's wonderful to hear that you are healing :) Thanks for reminding me about dirty electricity not finding a path in de-energized wires. That takes care of the canopy concern. Right now, it seems like I might need up to 3 remote SS relays. The only concern remaining is what amount of dirty electricity (if any) will be carried on the few live circuits we have on during the day and night. --- In [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@...> wrote: > > > > > If the line is denergized the pathway for dirty electricity is cut off. I use power on demand. If I'm not using it the power is off to the circuit. The fridge and air conditioning are the only equipment to get power 24/7 in my home. I'm more worried about chronic exposure. At first I couldn't handle much of anything. I was extremely sensitive but now that I give my body huge breaks I'm not so much anymore. > ------------------------------ > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 7:50 PM PDT ob4567 wrote: > > >Al - > > > >More on the use of a remote SS relay probably causing dirty electricity....what is your opinion? Would I be defeating my purpose by adding dirty electricity to the very line I am trying to isolate from any extraneous signals so the canopy doesn't amplify them? > >--- In [hidden email], "ob4567" <sueandgerry@> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Al, > >> > >> OK on the o'scope! I will keep the 20 foot area in mind. > >> > >> I appreciate the links to the videos, but my laptop audio circuit zaps > >> my energy within moments so it remains disabled, making most videos hard > >> to follow (except this one I just got in email -completely off the > >> subject of this forum but cool just the same lol The Incredible Power > >> Of Concentration - Miyoko Shida > >> <http://www.flixxy.com/the-incredible-power-of-concentration-miyoko-shid\ > >> a.htm> ). > >> > >> I found Mike Holt's website and his newsletters on stray voltage, so > >> I'll check them out. > >> > >> G3-PLC!...Green Bank WV keeps looking better all the time, even with its > >> harsh winters, 1950's mindset and isolation from family and friends. > >> > >> Since the remote controlled relays are solid state, I guess using one > >> adds to the dirty electricity we already have - still giving it a lot of > >> thought, though ...Depending on its size, we might be able to install > >> it inside garage elctrical subpanel. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Sue > >> > >> > >> Sue > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding wrote: > >> > > >> > Sue, > >> > Yes your oscilloscope will work because you will be looking for > >> anything in the lower KHz range. Connecting two screwdrivers in the > >> earth approximately 50 feet away from each other will show you any > >> interference in the ground.à Make sure the earth is wet in both > >> spots.A passive probe will work for what you are looking at and the > >> leave the ground clip disconnected.à > >> > > >> > The ground contact area should be within 20 feet of the canopy and > >> make sure to use a 6 foot grounding rod. à Here is a must see video > >> from Mike Holt discussing stray voltage à and grounding.à > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAs_FmdxXhQ > >> > > >> > Yes you can use those or build your own. I have used an OPTO 22 Model > >> 120D25http://www.ebay.com/itm/Opto-22-120D25-Solid-State-Relay-32VDC-140\ > >> VAC-25A-NEW-/221047375902?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item337773481e > >> > with a remote control switch.à > >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-remote-control-switch-220V-1-drag-2-way\ > >> -3000-m-/180988572949?pt=Home_Automation_Modules&hash=item2a23c27515 > >> > > >> > Yes, the neutral could carry something new called G3-PLC which uses a > >> 10KHz- 500KHz frequency to communicate with home appliances. I have seen > >> it create a 10 foot field on an energized wire. They tout that it jumps > >> transformers and it's due to such a huge wavelength. It's a real > >> nightmare! > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJOfqTq9lI > >> > > >> > > >> > Al > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > From: ob4567 sueandgerry@ > >> > To: [hidden email] > >> > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:08 AM > >> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1 condition > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > à > >> > Hi Al, > >> > > >> > Your email is prompting a lot more questions :) Thanks for all of > >> your > >> > input! > >> > > >> > Regarding checking the location of the ground stake - We just happen > >> to > >> > have an oscilloscope! However, it is an old 15Mhz scope we inherited > >> > from a friend. Is that enough bandwidth? > >> > > >> > What would a bad location for a ground look like as far as scope > >> signals > >> > go? > >> > > >> > I just read up on scope probes. Do I need an active probe rather > >> than > >> > a passive one or is a passive X1 probe good enough? > >> > > >> > When checking the location, do I put the probe on the ground stake > >> that > >> > is inserted into the earth and leave the probe's ground clip > >> > disconnected? > >> > > >> > Regarding installing a remote solid state switch - > >> > > >> > Does the kind of solid state remote switch you have in mind disconnect > >> > both the hot and neutral connections? > >> > > >> > Are you talking about something along these lines? Automoatic Demand > >> > Switch Or this? > >> > > >> > > >> http://www.landisgyr.com/webfoo/wp-content/uploads/product-files/TS2Remo\ > >> \ > >> > teServiceSwitchSellSheet_AMI_PLC1.pdf > >> > > >> > (sorry, can't get the insert link function to work with the above > >> link) > >> > > >> > What is your opinion on this? ....We normally keep most of the circuit > >> > breakers off in the house. If the remote switch does disconnect > >> both > >> > the hot and neutral wires in the canopy room, there will still be some > >> > power in other parts of the house, if we are operating normally. > >> Will > >> > whatever is carried on the neutral and ground wires in those parts of > >> > the house also be induced into the disconnected neutral and ground > >> wires > >> > in the canopy room just because they may physically near? > >> > > >> > Thanks again! > >> > Sue > >> > --- In [hidden email], Al Harding wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Sue, > >> > > > >> > > I'm elated for you! Thanks for sharing your results as there may be > >> > someone lurking that is having a terrible time and can't find > >> > relief.Ãâ > >> > > > >> > > You may want to have an electrician install remote solid state > >> > switches. That way you could disconnect from your bedroom.Ãâ > >> > > > >> > > Make sure that the shielded cable has metal braiding inside of the > >> > plastic housing. The stuff that they use for a cable box will do. > >> Also, > >> > test where the ground stake is located. Ãâ An oscilloscope is > >> optimal > >> > to make sure it's a good ground and keep it away from your main power > >> > line.Ãâ > >> > > > >> > > Al > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ________________________________ > >> > > From: ob4567 sueandgerry@ > >> > > To: [hidden email] > >> > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:47 PM > >> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1 > >> condition > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Ãâ > >> > > Al, > >> > > > >> > > I've given a lot of thought to your comment about energy always > >> being > >> > present on the neutral wire. We tried a new test - disconnected the > >> > power to the house at the main electrical panel, then also > >> disconnected > >> > the neutral wire at the load side so that the house neutral wires were > >> > no longer connected to the utility company's neutral and ground. > >> > > > >> > > Then I went inside the canopy to discover Canopy Heaven :) It felt > >> > sooooooo good to be in there! reminding me of being at a beach with no > >> > signals. The need to get out of the canopy or of having had enough > >> > completely disappeared. Just wonderful :) > >> > > > >> > > Of course, being without power and neutral isn't practical. I wish > >> > there were a filter of some kind to block what is being transferred to > >> > the house neutral and ground wires when the neutral is connected up at > >> > the main panel. > >> > > > >> > > Anyhow, the good feeling in the canopy is enough to motivate me to > >> try > >> > the idea of the shielded cable connected to a ground rod outside. > >> > > I see that there are different kinds of shielding cable. Do you > >> have > >> > a recommendation as to the kind of shielding cable? > >> > > > >> > > In the meantime, I've been having some success using the microwave > >> > absorbing material in our old electrical power free motorhome. But > >> an > >> > occasional pulse does get through. I think it's our neighbor's > >> smart > >> > meter pulses, judging by the looks and timing of them on the RF meter > >> > screen. The canopy inside the house laughs at smart meter pulses > >> (they > >> > don't get through). > >> > > > >> > > Sue > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Sue, > >> > > > > >> > > > There is always energy on the neutral wire even when the breaker > >> is > >> > off. EMF will use energized wire to travel on. ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâ > >> > > > > >> > > > The best way to get a good ground is with a shielded cable, > >> situated > >> > away from the house wiring, attached to a properly installed grounding > >> > rod.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâ > >> > > > > >> > > > Al > >> > > > > >> > > > ________________________________ > >> > > > From: ob4567 sueandgerry@ > >> > > > To: [hidden email] > >> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:31 PM > >> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on > >> > grounding > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâ > >> > > > Hi Debbie, > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks for your comments :). It sounds like what you are doing is > >> > succeeding so far. A friend bought some microwave absorbing > >> material > >> > and put it under her hat and says it helps. It is thin, has a fine > >> > coating of plastic and is quite thin and easy to shape. When wearing > >> > shielding clothing, have you tried using an absorbing material rather > >> > than fabrics that shield by reflecting EMF's away? Just curious if > >> you > >> > notice any difference between reflective and aborbing material. > >> > > > > >> > > > Also, if it's not too much trouble, can you please give some > >> details > >> > about the bad EMF's you got from your grounding system? Thanks if > >> you > >> > can :). > >> > > > > >> > > > I think you are right about about many of us having bacteria and > >> > pathogens we may not know about, that EMF's can help them thrive in > >> our > >> > bodies, and that their dying off can create symptoms. This is the > >> > first I've heard about Candida living under the skin! Interesting. > >> :) > >> > > > > >> > > > I don't think the skin sensations I'm experiencing fits in the > >> > die-off scenario though, because the skin sensations are only > >> happening > >> > when there is electrical power in the wires inside the walls of the > >> > canopy room and I am inside the canopy. When there is no electrical > >> > power in the wires, and I am in the canopy, there is no odd skin > >> > sensation at all. I'm highly sensitive to ELF's. Suspect they > >> > somehow get picked up from the energized wires in the walls and > >> > broadcasted in some way inside the canopy, regardless of the ground. > >> > > > > >> > > > Sue > >> > > > > >> > > > --- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@ wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > hi Sue, I've been experimenting with wearing shielded garments > >> etc > >> > for > >> > > > > 2 years and totally relate to the skin burning and feeling like > >> > I've > >> > > > > had enough at times--though it seems to have all the same good > >> > effects > >> > > > > that you mentioned! body relaxing, etc! What I think is > >> > happening is > >> > > > > the most of us have more bacteria, and pathogens in our body > >> than > >> > we > >> > > > > realize, and they are assisted by bad EMF's, when that is gone, > >> > they > >> > > > > start to die, and its a known fact, like with candida die off, > >> > when > >> > > > > they do they let off even more toxins when alive, and they often > >> > live > >> > > > > under the skin...so I use it off and on, and think it aids my > >> > body.... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > but I have gotten bad emf's from my grounding system in my house > >> > too... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > From: ob4567 > >> > > > > To: eSens [hidden email] > >> > > > > Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:09 pm > >> > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on > >> > > > > grounding > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââÂ¬Ã Â¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâ > >> > > > > Turned all power off to our house at the utility box located on > >> > the > >> > > > > outside of the house wall, then went inside the canopy. The > >> skin > >> > > > > sensitivity and stinging sensation disappeared. The newly > >> > increased > >> > > > > tinnitus decreased while inside the canopy! A total surprise. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Here's the question - disconnected the ground to see what would > >> > happen. > >> > > > > Instantly could not stand being in the canopy, so reconnected > >> it > >> > > > > immediately. Any thoughts about what is being grounded? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I thought the ground was for the 60hz electrical fields because > >> > these > >> > > > > metallic shielding fabrics amplify them, but the canopy appears > >> to > >> > > > > still be picking up a charge of some kind with the electrical > >> > power > >> > > > > turned off. I wasn't aware of RF fields creating a charge too, > >> > but I > >> > > > > guess it makes sense, if that is the case. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like > >> it > >> > "had > >> > > > > enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need > >> > to get > >> > > > > out. Later, a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same > >> > thing > >> > > > > happened again for me. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I doubt this need to get out of the grounded canopy has anything > >> > to do > >> > > > > with my body missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a > >> > > > > natural setting with no signals for a couple of nights and it > >> felt > >> > > > > wonderful! Something about being inside the canopy is still > >> not > >> > right > >> > > > > for my body. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > --- In [hidden email], "ob4567" sueandgerry@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Marc, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too. > >> :) > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to > >> > determine > >> > > > > if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or > >> if > >> > I > >> > > > > need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in. > >> > (Trying to > >> > > > > avoid permanent relocation). The canopy is extra large so > >> there > >> > is > >> > > > > lots of room inside of it. It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB > >> from > >> > well > >> > > > > below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz. It's pad is grounded directly to > >> earth > >> > > > > ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the > >> > room > >> > > > > and the canopy material rests on the pad. There is 1.2 ohms > >> > > > > resistence between the canopy and the mat. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the > >> canopy > >> > > > > it registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi > >> > signals. > >> > > > > The ELF meter shows nothing. Body voltage is considerably > >> > less > >> > > > > inside the canopy than other places in the house. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am > >> > > > > outside of it. I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when > >> they > >> > were > >> > > > > inside of it and my friend tested me. The energy tests show > >> > great > >> > > > > results. when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I > >> > feel > >> > > > > like my body has decompressed, I seem to be taller. It doesn't > >> > last, > >> > > > > but still great news. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Now here's the downside. When I'm inside, within moments a > >> lot > >> > > > > of my skin feels sensitive. If I remain inside the canopy for > >> > awhile, > >> > > > > my skin starts to sting. And it continues to sting for about 5 > >> > > > > minutes after I am outside of the canopy. > >> > > > > > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF > >> > > > > shielding fabric. And like the canopy, the skin sensation > >> change > >> > is > >> > > > > almost immediate. This is the reason I got an extra large > >> canopy > >> > to be > >> > > > > as far away from the material as possible. Also after being in > >> > it, I > >> > > > > awoke with increased tinnitus. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I > >> was > >> > > > > out, my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly > >> > loud > >> > > > > noise. The ringing increased. I'm suspecting the canopy for > >> the > >> > > > > increase in ringing. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the > >> > use > >> > > > > of canopies. And I've been told that canopies can produce an > >> > "orgon > >> > > > > box" affect. That is when some frequencies get inside the > >> canopy > >> > and > >> > > > > bounce around. Our body emits electrical fields as well and > >> they > >> > > > > dissipate. The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be > >> > > > > reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate. they can > >> > build > >> > > > > up. I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of > >> > EMF's. > >> > > > > I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't > >> sleep > >> > in > >> > > > > it lol. I'm not going to use it as is. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Moving on :) > >> > > > > > Sue > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > ... [show rest of quote] |
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Hi Al,
> Have you grounded the motor home? I put a screwdriver in the ground and connected the motorhome for a test. Once back in, I couldn't wait to get back out of the motorhome because it felt bad. Is using a screwdriver a bad test because it is not deep into the ground like a 6-ft grounding rod? According to the scope, there is a square wave about 0.5Vac and about 14ms long ~ 71hz on a nearby piece of rebar that is plunged into the soil much deeper than the scredriver. The signal also shows about 0.1Vdc. That square wave is absent inside the ungrounded motorhome and so is the DC, but the motorhome does have a teensy noisy signal. Before I put up the microwave absorbing sheets on the motorhome windows, I noticed my body voltage was slightly higher inside the motorhome than it was outside. Once the sheets were up, my body voltage was less than it was outside, even without a ground. Given these things, I'm currently not going to ground the motorhome. We have a 8-foot grounding rod in the garage that my sweetie installed and connected up to the main panel. There is no square wave on that ground rod, just a tiny bit of noise. Checked the grounded canopy with the power on too. Same square wave. When I disconnect the canopy's ground, the signal became a much bigger sin wave, showing how the canopy is amplifying the electric field I guess. I checked the neutral of a live circuit and found the same square wave. Then disconnected one of the stetzer filters I use on another live circuit and tested that live circuit's neutral and the shape of the wave changed a lot, but the frequency stayed the same. It makes me wonder - even though I calibrated the probe, is the 71hz I think I am getting is really 60 hz, but for some reason the internal calibration of the scope is off? Tested the neutral of a de-energized circuit turned off at the subpanel. Same square wave. I've successfully confused myself completely. Am reduced to being a dog chasing her tail haha. How can the grounding rod in the garage which is connected to the main panel neutral and ground NOT have a square wave, yet a neutral inside the house does? Am I getting bogus readings? Is there a disconnection somewhere? do do do do. Sue --- In [hidden email], "ob4567" <sueandgerry@...> wrote: > > Hi Al, > > Ok on the water! Interesting suggestions about bushes and oleanders. > > Haven't grounded the motorhome yet, but I plan to soon. > > Thank you :) > Sue > --- In [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@> wrote: > > > > Hi Sue, > >  > >  It's always good too have extra water around for emergencies sake anyway.....Yes, stack them as high as they will stand. Perimeter walls are ideal because once the energy is absorbed it can't go anywhere. Bushes are great for outside the bedroom walls. Oleanders hold quite a bit of water in their leaves and are very resilient, although I have seen them die around a smart meter. Actually nothing leafy will survive in close proximity to one. > >   > > Have you grounded the motor home? > > > > Al > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:47 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hi Al, > > > > Yeah I can imagine most people don't want to stacked cases of water against their bedroom wall lol. > > > > I'm considering trying the water case idea in the motorhome just to see how it feels...There is an overhead area in the front where a bed used to be. It has a wide front window and two long side windows already covered with microwave absorbing material. If putting cases in front of them makes a difference, there is a good chance I'll feel it. > > > > When you use water cases, are they stacked only 1 case deep for as high as you stack them? > > > > Sue > > > > > > > > àI just found this in my spam box.àYou need to use more than one case. Stacked cases of water will absorb and block high frequency RF. àI have been able to use this for temporary and long term situations. Most people don't want to see a wall of stacked cases of water in their bedrooms.à> > > Al > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@> > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:04 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > Hi Al, > > > > > > Sorry not to get back sooner - I'm not using the computer much due to EHS. > > > > > > Regarding my test on the case of water... I found it wasn't a good one. As it turns out, my reading depended how low to the garage floor I held the meter. I did the same test in the same low location when the case of water was removed, and the reading was the same! Ha! A scientist I'll never make lol. > > > > > > I put off the water idea and have been meaning to get to you. I know you definitely feel better with the cases of water stacked up. Have you measured with your RF meter to see the difference in RF between before and after you put cases of water up? > > > > > > Sue > > > > > > [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sue, > > > > > > > > Were you able to experiment with more water? Placing walls of water around the bedroom along with turning the power off will reduce the smart meter emissions greatly.Ãâà> > > > > > > > Al > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@> > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 9:27 PM > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > We happened to have an unopened case of 16-oz bottles in the garage, so I whipped out my Cornet 85EDXS RF meter to check it out. Very interesting. Ordinarily, the meter picks up wifi, smart meters and cell phone tower signals throughout the garage. When pointing its antenna directly at the case of water with a tiny space between them, the meter didn't register any RF, aside from intermittent neighborhood smart meter pulses. And the smart meter pulsing amplitude was cut in half. Not bad! > > > > > > > > Sue > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "ob4567" <sueandgerry@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It depends on the where the propagating source is coming from. I use a Gigahertz Solutions 38B to detect direction. If you don't have one just stack them around your bed at least three feet higher than your head. > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be just like playing "fort" again, like when we were kids.......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hahahaha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@> > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:11 PM > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm impressed with the simplicity of this. So you stick the cases all the way to ceiling? > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Lynn, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it. > > > > > > > >> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yes, it sounds like the microwave absorbing quality of water could > > > > > > > >possibly make it be a good insulator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item. > > > > > > > >> such as mat or canopy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'll give this some thought. (I'm kinda chicken right now to try > > > > > > > >another experiement, cluck cluck lol.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's. > > > > > > > >> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent > > > > > > > >naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/> for a few years. > > > > > > > >This guy has helped me so much! I used to be pretty couch-bound > > > > > > > >during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently. > > > > > > > >If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the > > > > > > > >precautions I must take because of ES, etc., I'd think I was one of > > > > > > > >healthiest people alive because I feel so good :). So much of this > > > > > > > >is because of his program and the information he provides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And while his program cannot stop the effects of wireless technology, it > > > > > > > >can locate and and provide support to organs and tissues that need > > > > > > > >support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Good luck if you decide to try homeopathy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Good luck if you decide to try it! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sue > > > > > > > >--- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@" wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it. > > > > > > > >> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item. > > > > > > > >> such as mat or canopy. > > > > > > > >> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's. > > > > > > > >> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work? > > > > > > > >> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Lynn D > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Sue, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I apologize for intruding.ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ > > > > > > > >> > Have you tried stacking cases of water against walls where the high > > > > > > > >measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of > > > > > > > >water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I > > > > > > > >have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Al > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > ________________________________ > > > > > > > >> > From: ob4567 sueandgerry@ > > > > > > > >> > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > >> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:17 PM > > > > > > > >> > Subject: [eSens] Canopy experiment > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ > > > > > > > >> > Hi Marc, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too. :) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine > > > > > > > >if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I > > > > > > > >need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in. (Trying to > > > > > > > >avoid permanent relocation). The canopy is extra large so there is > > > > > > > >lots of room inside of it. It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well > > > > > > > >below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz. It's pad is grounded directly to earth > > > > > > > >ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and > > > > > > > >the canopy material rests on the pad. There is 1.2 ohms resistence > > > > > > > >between the canopy and the mat. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it > > > > > > > >registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals. > > > > > > > >The ELF meter shows nothing. Body voltage is considerably less inside > > > > > > > >the canopy than other places in the house. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside > > > > > > > >of it. I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of > > > > > > > >it and my friend tested me. The energy tests show great results. > > > > > > > >when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body > > > > > > > >has decompressed, I seem to be taller. It doesn't last, but still > > > > > > > >great news. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Now here's the downside. When I'm inside, within moments a lot of > > > > > > > >my skin feels sensitive. If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my > > > > > > > >skin starts to sting. And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes > > > > > > > >after I am outside of the canopy. > > > > > > > >> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF > > > > > > > >shielding fabric. And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is > > > > > > > >almost immediate. This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be > > > > > > > >as far away from the material as possible. Also after being in it, I > > > > > > > >awoke with increased tinnitus. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out, > > > > > > > >my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise. > > > > > > > >The ringing increased. I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in > > > > > > > >ringing. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use > > > > > > > >of canopies. And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon > > > > > > > >box" affect. That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and > > > > > > > >bounce around. Our body emits electrical fields as well and they > > > > > > > >dissipate. The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be > > > > > > > >reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate. they can build > > > > > > > >up. I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's. > > > > > > > >I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it > > > > > > > >lol. I'm not going to use it as is. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Moving on :) > > > > > > > >> > Sue > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ... [show rest of quote] |
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Paul did you ever sell your canopy?
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Hi there betty A,
You know some people here were talking some time ago, about shielding with water? - Using water bottles in packs stacked up on the walls etc - and somebody said the ideal solution would be layers of water-filled bubble-wrap? And somebody said they slept really well since they put in water-stacks around the walls? I had the idea of using water last Autumn - Fall - , and I haven't done it yet. But I did a bit of research and found out that water is much more RF and microwave -resistant if it is NOT pure - salt water protects much better for instance . It needs to have mineral salts to protect better. I just though I would throw that in . One day I hope to use that idea in my home. The low frequencies get through, or something ,- (I'm not very scientific) - so submarines cannot pick up RF when submerged, unless they have some fantastically expensive antennae which can pick up very low frequency transmissions, which I believe nuclear submarines are equipped with. I am going to use water - thanks for reminding me, best wishes, Sylvan. |
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Yes, I agree - thank you for reminding us about the water. I can tell something is still getting through from the 13 smartmeters 10 feet from my bedroom wall, even after shielding with best RF paint that shows no RF getting through, and I'm going to try the water. It seems I go through phases of doing stuff to protect myself more then get exhausted and need support and ideas like from this wonderful listserv to re-start my efforts. Thank you all. Ellen
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![]() I have not dreamed in years and since the installation of the canopy it has been like Saturday Night at the Movies for odd, exciting vivid dreams. I live a whole life in my sleep now and hate to wake up from them-we are talking here like Danny Devito in "The Good Night". I sleep so much better in there. The bed is in the living room and I stay there always. If I spend too much time out the TIAs return. If I sit up in there I am fine. I sit somewhere else in the house I am dizzy. Someone mentioned testing w/ am radio for noise. The second thing I did after install: quiet. This is a temp solution till I can move. The networks keep getting more in number and some stronger. I do know that many ES can not handle being in or under metal. Some like me can. I am saving for an RV to move out and away. I think a lot depends on how far you can get from outside sources. 50 feet just does not cut it. I always herd and RV must be grounded, but then I could see if the there is ground current better not to. Think it's trying the best option. I am blocking out RFs about level 2 green light on accoustometer. An RV could may be a good farady cage and maybe a terrible one: I would think that would be luck of the draw and doing lots of modification and shielding. The best you can do w/ them is park them far out. Then there's some that have RVs and have removed the metal walls and replaced w/ fiberglass. I relate to the burning and itching. Always when I try to lay still to sleep. It is very bad then. I have sjogrens that drys out the skin and eyes and makes them burn. Autoimmune disease and those are caused by inflamation-enough said. Of course I had this off and on before the canopy and years before. I was told it was part of having fibromyalgia-also caused by EMF issues. |
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Sue,
I have the same effect when i get into my canopy and I believe it is like you said, an orgon box effect. I wish i knew the exact mechanism, but this is what it feels like is happening to me: When I get under the canopy, there is no RH being emitted so my body suddenly gets a break from the constant bombardment. Suddenly, it has a chance to rest and to begin to dissipate the build up of RH that my skin has absorbed throughout the day. I think the radiation is being dissipated from the body and being reflected back, but it only lasts about 5-10 minutes. My skin burns for about 5-10 minutes, then it goes away and it is like the build up of radiation has been released. This release of pent up radiation needs space in the canopy. If I have a sheet over my body with shielding material on top of the sheet, it burns a lot worse and hurts more, which makes me think that it is the closeness of the silver threads reflecting the radiation coming up off of my body back at me. Why you are having the skin effect throughout the whole entire night while under the canopy is disturbing. Perhaps it is the silver threads in the fabric reflecting something else back. Make sure your canopy is not near any electrical outlets or EMF sources, as it can pick up frequencies. Superdrove |
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Sue, is your canopy over a bed which is on a cement slab floor or is it over a basement or crawl space? Do you have a shielding material on your floor under the bed so that the canopy can contact it to block frequencies coming from under the bed? If you're not on a cement slab, frequencies high or low could becoming from wireless or electric wiring under the floor of the bed and then be trapped inside the canopy. A layer of heavy duty foil, overlapping edges about three inches and extended out from under the bed to make contact with the canopy as it drapes onto the floor will block those frequencies.
I'm not sure if Swiss Shield or Naturelle fabric is able to block low frequencies. Aaronia Shield material can. Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 23:43:19 -0700 From: [hidden email] To: [hidden email] Subject: [ES] Re: Canopy experiment Sue, I have the same effect when i get into my canopy and I believe it is like you said, an orgon box effect. I wish i knew the exact mechanism, but this is what it feels like is happening to me: When I get under the canopy, there is no RH being emitted so my body suddenly gets a break from the constant bombardment. Suddenly, it has a chance to rest and to begin to dissipate the build up of RH that my skin has absorbed throughout the day. I think the radiation is being dissipated from the body and being reflected back, but it only lasts about 5-10 minutes. My skin burns for about 5-10 minutes, then it goes away and it is like the build up of radiation has been released. This release of pent up radiation needs space in the canopy. If I have a sheet over my body with shielding material on top of the sheet, it burns a lot worse and hurts more, which makes me think that it is the closeness of the silver threads reflecting the radiation coming up off of my body back at me. Why you are having the skin effect throughout the whole entire night while under the canopy is disturbing. Perhaps it is the silver threads in the fabric reflecting something else back. Make sure your canopy is not near any electrical outlets or EMF sources, as it can pick up frequencies. Superdrove If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below:
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I've thought about getting canopy's, sheets, clothing, etc.; but what stopped me is thinking about wrapping myself...like a baked potato wrapped in foil. Will I end up trapping the EMFs and end of cooking myself anyway? I don't know. On the other hand, are these side effects from these shields perhaps a short term detoxification from prolonged EMF exposure? Nutrition-wise, I'm detoxifying and I've noticed stinging sensations in my skin that I never had before-much like the stinging you mention when under the canopy.
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