Canopy experiment

lets face it the canopy is a large antennae it could attract all manner of  
spurious waves, some from many miles away or even from satellite
transmissions  .....I have a poly carbonate room on my sun lounge with aluminium
joists one of  the joists registers an electric field despite it being completely
isolated,  picking up airborne electrons.....
 
puk
 
 
In a message dated 7/15/2013 1:40:34 A.M. Dateline Standard Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 

Have been wanting to make a canopy or shielding for head when out and  body
when sleep also.
was going to measure with volt meter if sink is ok to  ground to, but
how do you tell if it doesnt carry a charge? isnt all water  and people
electrical and can measure something?
Also someone told me they  take IMD for pathagens, here is a link -
http://www.drvitaminsolutions.com/IMD_Intestinal_Metals_Detox_Protocol/  Lynn D
--- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ,  
Debbie4God39@... wrote: sueandgerry@ wrote:





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I was living in 3G area doing great. Healing and starting to do things again. And now it is 4G and my nerves burn/sting as well as severe inflammation/pain and fatigue. Basically it is attacking my nervous system and shutting my body down. I'm very weak and just want to jump off a bridge it so much torcher for me. No smart meter here yet.
 
I have been sleeping in one of those canopies but seems to be worse for me as well. I tried using in my van but still skin burns. I do turn off all electric in the studio I live in but the fridge needs to stay on so not that one wall. I do not ground it but was not directed to do that. I think these products that say they work really just don't so much and I spent close to $2,000 for my canopy.
 
I just can't seem to get away from the 4G except if I go to the forest somewhere and then I can't deal with the pollen and sap. There's a house with metal that is good for me electrically but a forest of trees and not tolerable.
 
Trying a place in Patagonia. It is 3G there now but any day that could change and then I am on the run again. I just really can't do this anymore.
 
I called the FCC and the girl on the phone kept saying "There's nothing we can do for you here"  She said it about 5 times no kidding. No compassion. Nothing.
 
She obviously is directed to say that. I imagine there are a lot of calls and they just ignore them because after all they are not in pain. YET! And after all money is the only thing they care about.
 
I sure hope there is Karma because these greedy people deserve the worse.
 
Homeless Again!
 
Loni
 

________________________________
 From: ob4567 <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 10:03 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on grounding
 
   
 
Turned all power off to our house at the utility box located on the outside of the house wall,  then went inside the canopy.  The skin sensitivity and stinging sensation disappeared.  The newly increased tinnitus decreased while inside the canopy! A total surprise.

Here's the question - disconnected the ground to see what would happen.  Instantly could not stand being in the canopy, so reconnected it immediately.  Any thoughts about what is being grounded?

I thought the ground was for the 60hz electrical fields because these metallic shielding fabrics amplify them, but the canopy appears to still be picking up a charge of some kind with the electrical power turned off.  I wasn't aware of RF fields creating a charge too, but I guess it makes sense, if that is the case.

Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like it "had enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need to get out.  Later,  a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same thing happened again for me.

I doubt this need to get out of the grounded canopy has anything to do with my body missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a natural setting with no signals for a couple of nights and it felt wonderful!   Something about being inside the canopy is still not right for my body.

--- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, "ob4567" <sueandgerry@...> wrote:
   
         

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I would stay away from metal as it absorbs microwaves and then amplifies them up to 20 decibels.  The more water the better.


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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 11:17 AM PDT Loni wrote:

I would stay away from metal as it absorbs microwaves and then amplifies them up to 20 decibels.  The more water the better.


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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 11:17 AM PDT Loni wrote:

There is an EI community in Snowflake and most of the homes they have are steel siding. they say it blocks the signals and can't get much reception?  So I don't know. I thought it would conduct it as well. I was in this home with metal siding and electrically it was good for a short time.
 
The canopies have metal in them as well I believe but they seem to amplify the EMF and my skin burns worse in the one I have.
 
Loni


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From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on grounding

 


I would stay away from metal as it absorbs microwaves and then amplifies them up to 20 decibels. The more water the better.

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They probably have aluminum siding that is grounded. I have noticed that trying to block high frequencies end up amplifying lower ones.

 I wonder if Ted Turner, the eugenicist, has a smart meter on his large property.


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 From: Loni <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on grounding
 


 
There is an EI community in Snowflake and most of the homes they have are steel siding. they say it blocks the signals and can't get much reception?  So I don't know. I thought it would conduct it as well. I was in this home with metal siding and electrically it was good for a short time.
 
The canopies have metal in them as well I believe but they seem to amplify the EMF and my skin burns worse in the one I have.
 
Loni

________________________________
From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on grounding

 

I would stay away from metal as it absorbs microwaves and then amplifies them up to 20 decibels. The more water the better.

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we are really going to have to go underground as they say !  puk
 
 
In a message dated 7/17/2013 10:41:06 P.M. Dateline Standard Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
They probably have aluminum siding that is grounded. I have noticed that  
trying to block high frequencies end up amplifying lower ones.

I  wonder if Ted Turner, the eugenicist, has a smart meter on his large  
property.

________________________________
From: Loni <_loni326@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
To: "_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) "
<_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
Sent:  Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy  experiment, continuing -question on
grounding



There is  an EI community in Snowflake and most of the homes they have are
steel siding.  they say it blocks the signals and can't get much reception?  
So I don't  know. I thought it would conduct it as well. I was in this home
with metal  siding and electrically it was good for a short time.

The  canopies have metal in them as well I believe but they seem to amplify
the EMF  and my skin burns worse in the one I have.  

Loni

________________________________
From: Al Harding  <_iprovedit@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
To: _esens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])  
Sent:  Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy  experiment, continuing -question on
grounding



I would  stay away from metal as it absorbs microwaves and then amplifies
them up to 20  decibels. The more water the better.  

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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 11:17 AM PDT  Loni wrote:

>I was living in 3G area doing great. Healing and  starting to do things
again. And now it is 4G and my nerves burn/sting as well  as severe
inflammation/pain and fatigue. Basically it is attacking my nervous  system and
shutting my body down. I'm very weak and just want to jump off a  bridge it so
much torcher for me. No smart meter here  yet.
>
>I have been sleeping in one of those canopies but  seems to be worse for
me as well. I tried using in my van but still skin  burns. I do turn off all
electric in the studio I live in but the fridge needs  to stay on so not
that one wall. I do not ground it but was not directed to do  that. I think
these products that say they work really just don't so much and  I spent close
to $2,000 for my canopy.
>
>I just can't seem  to get away from the 4G except if I go to the forest
somewhere and then I  can't deal with the pollen and sap. There's a house with
metal that is good  for me electrically but a forest of trees and not
tolerable.  
>
>Trying a place in Patagonia. It is 3G there now but any  day that could
change and then I am on the run again. I just really can't do  this anymore.
>
>I called the FCC and the girl on the phone  kept saying "There's nothing
we can do for you here"  She said it about 5  times no kidding. No
compassion. Nothing.
>
>She obviously  is directed to say that. I imagine there are a lot of calls
and they just  ignore them because after all they are not in pain. YET! And
after all money  is the only thing they care about.
>
>I sure hope there is  Karma because these greedy people deserve the worse.
  outside of the house wall, then went inside the canopy. The skin  sensitivity and
stinging sensation disappeared. The newly increased tinnitus  decreased
while inside the canopy! A total surprise.
>
>Here's  the question - disconnected the ground to see what would happen.
Instantly  could not stand being in the canopy, so reconnected it
immediately. Any  thoughts about what is being grounded?
>
>I thought the ground was  for the 60hz electrical fields because these
metallic shielding fabrics  amplify them, but the canopy appears to still be
picking up a charge of some  kind with the electrical power turned off. I
wasn't aware of RF fields  creating a charge too, but I guess it makes sense, if
that is the case.  
>
>Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like  it "had
enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need to  get out.
Later, a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same thing  happened
again for me.
>
>I doubt this need to get out of the  grounded canopy has anything to do
with my body missing the usual RF signals  because I've been in a natural
setting with no signals for a couple of nights  and it felt wonderful! Something
about being inside the canopy is still not  right for my body.
>
>--- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com,  "ob4567" <sueandgerry@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Marc,  
>>
>> I'm posting this because I know you like to  experiment too. :)
>>
>> I bought a nice EMF-shielding  canopy as an experiment to determine if I
can live within a shielded  environment here in our home or if I need to
start looking for low EMF places  to spend time in. (Trying to avoid permanent
relocation). The canopy is extra  large so there is lots of room inside of
it. It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB  from well below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz. It's
pad is grounded directly to earth  ground rather than through the
electrical outlet grounds in the room and the  canopy material rests on the pad.
There is 1.2 ohms resistence between the  canopy and the mat.
>>
>> The RF meter shows no signals  inside, whereas outside the canopy it
registers plenty of smart meter, cell  phone tower and wifi signals. The ELF
meter shows nothing. Body voltage is  considerably less inside the canopy than
other places in the house.  
>>
>> Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not  when I am outside of
it. I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they  were inside of it and
my friend tested me. The energy tests show great  results. when I step
outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body  has decompressed, I
seem to be taller. It doesn't last, but still great news.  
>>
>> Now here's the downside. When I'm inside, within  moments a lot of my
skin feels sensitive. If I remain inside the canopy for  awhile, my skin
starts to sting. And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes  after I am
outside of the canopy.
>> I had this feeling only once  before - when I tried to wear RF shielding
fabric. And like the canopy, the  skin sensation change is almost
immediate. This is the reason I got an extra  large canopy to be as far away from the
material as possible. Also after being  in it, I awoke with increased
tinnitus.
>>
>> Did one more  1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out, my
ears felt like they  had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise. The
ringing increased. I'm  suspecting the canopy for the increase in ringing.
>>
>>  I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use of  
canopies. And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon box"
affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and bounce around.
Our  body emits electrical fields as well and they dissipate. The orgon-box
affect  causes the body's fields to be reflected back onto itself rather than
to  dissipate. they can build up. I've also heard that tinnitus is on the
rise  because of EMF's. I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I
didn't  sleep in it lol. I'm not going to use it as is.
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Oh, my heart goes out to you, Loni.   Wishing you the best in your
journey to find something that helps you.

I just found something that is helpful for me.  It's called "microwave
absorbing sheet."   If you are interestined, you can click this link and
scroll down to find it:  Microwave absorbing sheet
<http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html> .   It's expensive, but not as
expensive as canopy fabric.   The EMF reduction is less too, but still
reduces over  90%.

The canopy fabrics are reflective.   Reflective materials used to reduce
EMF's  can create problems for me.    I couldn't even help put the
canopy up because just handling it  and stepping on the grounded mat
with shoes on created symptoms in me.    Had to have a friend come over
to help my sweetie put it up.

I gave up temporarily trying to make the canopy work, so bought some of
this microwave absorbing sheet and taped it onto the inside of some of
the the windows of our old motorhome that has no power in it - the
battery is dead.   The sheet  makes a difference!   The motorhome feels
"quieter"!  And I can handle the sheets with my bare hands!

I took some heavy duty aluminum foil  and temporarily taped  it to the
outside of the  same windows to increase the EMF reduction and to see
how well the the absorbing sheet reduced the reflective quality of the
aluminum.   It worked beautifully!      The cab of the motorhome feels
heavenly.     For the first time, I have a little place I can go to for
relief.  And I don't even have to travel.    I plan to buy some aluminum
screen used for  doors and windows and put that on the inside of the
windows and put the absorbing sheet on top of screen.

I wonder if this aborbing material could help if you put it in your
van's windows?

Sue


--- In [hidden email], Loni  wrote:
>
> I was living in 3G area doing great. Healing and starting to do things
again. And now it is 4G and my nerves burn/sting as well as severe
inflammation/pain and fatigue. Basically it is attacking my nervous
system and shutting my body down. I'm very weak and just want to jump
off a bridge it so much torcher for me. No smart meter here yet.
> Â
> I have been sleeping in one of those canopies but seems to be worse
for me as well. I tried using in my van but still skin burns. I do turn
off all electric in the studio I live in but the fridge needs to stay on
so not that one wall. I do not ground it but was not directed to do
that. I think these products that say they work really just don't so
much and I spent close to $2,000 for my canopy.
> Â
> I just can't seem to get away from the 4G except if I go to the forest
somewhere and then I can't deal with the pollen and sap. There's a house
with metal that is good for me electrically but a forest of trees and
not tolerable.
> Â
> Trying a place in Patagonia. It is 3G there now but any day that could
change and then I am on the run again. I just really can't do this
anymore.
> Â
> I called the FCC and the girl on the phone kept saying "There's
nothing we can do for you here"Â  She said it about 5 times no
kidding. No compassion. Nothing.
> Â
> She obviously is directed to say that. I imagine there are a lot of
calls and they just ignore them because after all they are not in pain.
YET! And after all money is the only thing they care about.
> Â
> I sure hope there is Karma because these greedy people deserve the
worse. grounding
>
> Â
>
> Turned all power off to our house at the utility box located on the
outside of the house wall,  then went inside the canopy.  The skin
sensitivity and stinging sensation disappeared.  The newly increased
tinnitus decreased while inside the canopy! A total surprise.
>
> Here's the question - disconnected the ground to see what would
happen.  Instantly could not stand being in the canopy, so reconnected
it immediately.  Any thoughts about what is being grounded?
>
> I thought the ground was for the 60hz electrical fields because these
metallic shielding fabrics amplify them, but the canopy appears to still
be picking up a charge of some kind with the electrical power turned
off.  I wasn't aware of RF fields creating a charge too, but I guess it
makes sense, if that is the case.
>
> Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like it "had
enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need to get
out.  Later,  a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same thing
happened again for me.
>
> I doubt this need to get out of the grounded canopy has anything to do
with my body missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a natural
setting with no signals for a couple of nights and it felt wonderful!  
Something about being inside the canopy is still not right for my body.
>
> --- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, "ob4567" sueandgerry@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi Marc,
> >
> > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
> >
> > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine
if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and
the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence
between the canopy and the mat.
> >
> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it
registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.    
The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside
the canopy than other places in the house.
> >
> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside
of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of
it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results.  
when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body
has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still
great news.
> >
> > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of
my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my
skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes
after I am outside of the canopy.
> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be
as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I
awoke with increased tinnitus.
> >
> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,
my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.
The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in
ringing.
> >
> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use
of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon
box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and
bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build
up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.  
I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it
lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.


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Could there be EMF coming in from underneath the canopy?  If you have a concrete slab floor, it may contain metal particles and be conductive and therefore be radiating an EMF field..  A bed with metal spring mattress or box springs, or the bed frame itself could become conductive.  And, from what I have been able to gather online, RF fields themselves can induce electrical currents in metallic objects in the RF field, so that could also induce currents in metal bed parts, which could then be amplified within the canopy.     Ellen M.

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I agree with the metal idea. There could be a river underground. They have been known to create high frequency fields. A grounding mat may be needed along with testing the area where the ground stake is placed. An oscilloscope should be used to test this area. 


________________________________
 From: ellen <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 8:38 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on grounding
 


 
Could there be EMF coming in from underneath the canopy?  If you have a concrete slab floor, it may contain metal particles and be conductive and therefore be radiating an EMF field..  A bed with metal spring mattress or box springs, or the bed frame itself could become conductive.  And, from what I have been able to gather online, RF fields themselves can induce electrical currents in metallic objects in the RF field, so that could also induce currents in metal bed parts, which could then be amplified within the canopy.     Ellen M.

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Sue,

Were you able to experiment with more water? Placing walls of water around the bedroom along with turning the power off will reduce the smart meter emissions greatly. 

Al


________________________________
 From: ob4567 <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 9:27 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
 


 
We happened to have an unopened case of 16-oz bottles in the garage, so I whipped out my Cornet 85EDXS RF meter to check it out.      Very interesting.   Ordinarily, the meter picks up wifi, smart meters and cell phone tower signals throughout the garage.    When pointing its antenna directly at the case of water with a tiny space between them,  the meter didn't register any RF, aside from intermittent neighborhood smart meter pulses.      And the smart meter pulsing amplitude was cut in half.   Not bad!

Sue

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I'm pretty sure it is steel siding and roof. Loni


________________________________
From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on grounding

 
They probably have aluminum siding that is grounded. I have noticed that trying to block high frequencies end up amplifying lower ones.

 I wonder if Ted Turner, the eugenicist, has a smart meter on his large property.

________________________________
From: Loni <mailto:loni326%40yahoo.com>
To: "mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on grounding


 
There is an EI community in Snowflake and most of the homes they have are steel siding. they say it blocks the signals and can't get much reception?  So I don't know. I thought it would conduct it as well. I was in this home with metal siding and electrically it was good for a short time.
 
The canopies have metal in them as well I believe but they seem to amplify the EMF and my skin burns worse in the one I have.
 
Loni

________________________________
From: Al Harding <mailto:iprovedit%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:esens%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on grounding

 

I would stay away from metal as it absorbs microwaves and then amplifies them up to 20 decibels. The more water the better.

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It's possible Ellen. I did cover the bottom with an old canopy in my van that might not be good anymore. In the house I did not so maybe. Loni



________________________________
From: ellen <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 8:38 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on grounding

 
Could there be EMF coming in from underneath the canopy?  If you have a concrete slab floor, it may contain metal particles and be conductive and therefore be radiating an EMF field..  A bed with metal spring mattress or box springs, or the bed frame itself could become conductive.  And, from what I have been able to gather online, RF fields themselves can induce electrical currents in metallic objects in the RF field, so that could also induce currents in metal bed parts, which could then be amplified within the canopy.     Ellen M.

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Hi Al,

Sorry not to get back sooner - I'm not using the computer much due to EHS.  

Regarding my test on the case of water... I found it wasn't a good one.  As it turns out, my reading depended how low to the garage floor I held the meter.   I did the same test in the same low location when the case of water was removed, and the reading was the same!   Ha!  A scientist I'll never make lol.  

I put off the water idea and have been meaning to get to you.  I know you definitely feel better with the cases of water stacked up.  Have you measured with your RF meter to see the difference in RF between before and after you put cases of water up?  

Sue


 [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@...> wrote:

Al,

I've given a lot of thought to your comment about energy always being present on the neutral wire.  We tried a new test - disconnected the power to the house at the main electrical panel, then also disconnected the neutral wire at the load side so that the house neutral wires were no longer connected to the utility company's neutral and ground.  

Then I went inside the canopy to discover Canopy Heaven :) It felt sooooooo good to be in there! reminding me of being at a beach with no signals.    The need to get out of the canopy or of having had enough completely disappeared.   Just wonderful :)  

Of course, being without power and neutral isn't practical.   I wish there were a filter of some kind to block what is being transferred to the house neutral and ground wires when the neutral is connected up at the main panel.  

Anyhow, the good feeling in the canopy is enough to motivate me to try the idea of the shielded cable connected to a ground rod outside.
I see that there are different kinds of shielding cable.   Do you have a recommendation as to the kind of shielding cable?  

In the meantime, I've been having some success using the microwave absorbing material in our old electrical power free motorhome.   But an occasional pulse does get through.     I think it's our neighbor's smart meter pulses, judging by the looks and timing of them on the RF meter screen.  The canopy inside the house laughs at smart meter pulses (they don't get through).  

Sue
   

 
--- In [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@...> wrote:

Thanks for your thoughts, Ellen.  No concrete slab here.  I just  checked the floor with the RF meter - no signals registering on it.   No wires underneath the house carrying power.  See no magnetic fields on the ELF meter either.    Right now I have a plastic chair in the center of the canopy.   If I ever manage to have the canopy usable,  I'll definitely sleep on something nonmetallic.  :)

Sue  

--- In [hidden email], ellen <tripleearthsign@...> wrote:
>
> Could there be EMF coming in from underneath the canopy?  If you have a concrete slab floor, it may contain metal particles and be conductive and therefore be radiating an EMF field..  A bed with metal spring mattress or box springs, or the bed frame itself could become conductive.  And, from what I have been able to gather online, RF fields themselves can induce electrical currents in metallic objects in the RF field, so that could also induce currents in metal bed parts, which could then be amplified within the canopy.     Ellen M.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Sue,

I'm elated for you! Thanks for sharing your results as there may be someone lurking that is having a terrible time and can't find relief. 

You may want to have an electrician install remote solid state switches. That way you could disconnect from your bedroom. 

Make sure that the shielded cable has metal braiding inside of the plastic housing. The stuff that they use for a cable box will do. Also, test where the ground stake is located.  An oscilloscope is optimal to make sure it's a good ground and keep it away from your main power line. 

Al


________________________________
 From: ob4567 <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:47 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1 condition
 


 
Al,

I've given a lot of thought to your comment about energy always being present on the neutral wire.  We tried a new test - disconnected the power to the house at the main electrical panel, then also disconnected the neutral wire at the load side so that the house neutral wires were no longer connected to the utility company's neutral and ground.

Then I went inside the canopy to discover Canopy Heaven :) It felt sooooooo good to be in there! reminding me of being at a beach with no signals.    The need to get out of the canopy or of having had enough completely disappeared.   Just wonderful :)

Of course, being without power and neutral isn't practical.   I wish there were a filter of some kind to block what is being transferred to the house neutral and ground wires when the neutral is connected up at the main panel.

Anyhow, the good feeling in the canopy is enough to motivate me to try the idea of the shielded cable connected to a ground rod outside.
I see that there are different kinds of shielding cable.   Do you have a recommendation as to the kind of shielding cable?

In the meantime, I've been having some success using the microwave absorbing material in our old electrical power free motorhome.   But an occasional pulse does get through.     I think it's our neighbor's smart meter pulses, judging by the looks and timing of them on the RF meter screen.  The canopy inside the house laughs at smart meter pulses (they don't get through).

Sue


--- In [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@...> wrote:

 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Al,

Your email is prompting a lot more questions :)  Thanks for all of your
input!

Regarding checking the location of the ground stake - We just happen to
have an oscilloscope! However, it is an old 15Mhz scope we inherited
from a friend.    Is that enough bandwidth?

What would a bad location for a ground look like as far as scope signals
go?

I just read up on scope probes.   Do I need an active probe rather than
a passive one or is a passive X1 probe good enough?

When checking the location, do I put the probe on the ground stake that
is inserted into the earth and leave the probe's ground clip
disconnected?

Regarding installing a remote solid state switch -

Does the kind of solid state remote switch you have in mind disconnect
both the hot and neutral connections?

Are you talking about something along these lines? Automoatic Demand
Switch <http://www.lessemf.com/emf-appl.html>        Or this?

http://www.landisgyr.com/webfoo/wp-content/uploads/product-files/TS2Remo\
teServiceSwitchSellSheet_AMI_PLC1.pdf

(sorry, can't get the insert link function to work with the above link)

What is your opinion on this? ....We normally keep most of the circuit
breakers off in the house.    If the remote switch does disconnect both
the hot and neutral wires in the canopy room, there will still be some
power in other parts of the house, if we are operating normally.   Will
whatever is carried on the neutral and ground wires in those parts of
the house also be induced into the disconnected neutral and ground wires
in the canopy room just because they may physically near?

Thanks again!
Sue
--- In [hidden email], Al Harding  wrote:
>
> Sue,
>
> I'm elated for you! Thanks for sharing your results as there may be
someone lurking that is having a terrible time and can't find
relief.Â
>
> You may want to have an electrician install remote solid state
switches. That way you could disconnect from your bedroom.Â
>
> Make sure that the shielded cable has metal braiding inside of the
plastic housing. The stuff that they use for a cable box will do. Also,
test where the ground stake is located. Â An oscilloscope is optimal
to make sure it's a good ground and keep it away from your main power
line. present on the neutral wire.  We tried a new test - disconnected the
power to the house at the main electrical panel, then also disconnected
the neutral wire at the load side so that the house neutral wires were
no longer connected to the utility company's neutral and ground.
>
> Then I went inside the canopy to discover Canopy Heaven :) It felt
sooooooo good to be in there! reminding me of being at a beach with no
signals.    The need to get out of the canopy or of having had enough
completely disappeared.   Just wonderful :)
>
> Of course, being without power and neutral isn't practical.   I wish
there were a filter of some kind to block what is being transferred to
the house neutral and ground wires when the neutral is connected up at
the main panel.
>
> Anyhow, the good feeling in the canopy is enough to motivate me to try
the idea of the shielded cable connected to a ground rod outside.
> I see that there are different kinds of shielding cable.   Do you have
a recommendation as to the kind of shielding cable?
>
> In the meantime, I've been having some success using the microwave
absorbing material in our old electrical power free motorhome.   But an
occasional pulse does get through.     I think it's our neighbor's smart
meter pulses, judging by the looks and timing of them on the RF meter
screen.  The canopy inside the house laughs at smart meter pulses (they
don't get through).
>
> Sue
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:
> >
> > Sue,
> >
> > There is always energy on the neutral wire even when the breaker is
off. EMF will use energized wire to travel on. ÂÂ
> >
> > The best way to get a good ground is with a shielded cable, situated
away from the house wiring, attached to a properly installed grounding
rod.ÂÂ
> >
> > Al
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:31 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
grounding
> >
> >
> >
> > ÂÂ
> > Hi Debbie,
> >
> > Thanks for your comments :).  It sounds like what you are doing is
succeeding so far.    A friend bought some microwave absorbing material
and put it under her hat and says it helps.   It is thin, has a fine
coating of plastic and is quite thin and easy to shape.   When wearing
shielding clothing, have you tried using an absorbing material rather
than fabrics that shield by reflecting EMF's away?  Just curious if you
notice any difference between reflective and aborbing material.
> >
> > Also, if it's not too much trouble, can you please give some details
about the bad EMF's you got from your grounding system?   Thanks if you
can :).
> >
> > I think you are right about about many of us having bacteria and
pathogens we may not know about, that EMF's can help them thrive in our
bodies, and that their dying off can create symptoms.   This is the
first I've heard about Candida living under the skin!  Interesting.  :)
> >
> > I don't think the skin sensations I'm experiencing fits in the
die-off scenario though, because the skin sensations are only happening
when there is electrical power in the wires inside the walls of the
canopy room and I am inside the canopy.   When there is no electrical
power in the wires, and I am in the canopy, there is no odd skin
sensation at all.     I'm highly sensitive to ELF's.   Suspect they
somehow get picked up from the energized wires in the walls and
broadcasted in some way inside the canopy, regardless of the ground.
> >
> > Sue
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@ wrote:
> > >
> > > hi Sue, I've been experimenting with wearing shielded garments etc
for
> > > 2 years and totally relate to the skin burning and feeling like
I've
> > > had enough at times--though it seems to have all the same good
effects
> > > that you mentioned!  body relaxing, etc!  What I think is
happening is
> > > the most of us have more bacteria, and pathogens in our body than
we
> > > realize, and they are assisted by bad EMF's, when that is gone,
they
> > > start to die, and its a known fact, like with candida die off,
when
> > > they do they let off even more toxins when alive, and they often
live
> > > under the skin...so I use it off and on, and think it aids my
body....
> > >
> > > but I have gotten bad emf's from my grounding system in my house
too... the
> > > outside of the house wall,  then went inside the canopy.  The skin
> > > sensitivity and stinging sensation disappeared.  The newly
increased
> > > tinnitus decreased while inside the canopy! A total surprise.
> > >
> > > Here's the question - disconnected the ground to see what would
happen.
> > >   Instantly could not stand being in the canopy, so reconnected it
> > > immediately.  Any thoughts about what is being grounded?
> > >
> > > I thought the ground was for the 60hz electrical fields because
these
> > > metallic shielding fabrics amplify them, but the canopy appears to
> > > still be picking up a charge of some kind with the electrical
power
> > > turned off.  I wasn't aware of RF fields creating a charge too,
but I
> > > guess it makes sense, if that is the case.
> > >
> > > Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like it
"had
> > > enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need
to get
> > > out.  Later,  a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same
thing
> > > happened again for me.
> > >
> > > I doubt this need to get out of the grounded canopy has anything
to do
> > > with my body missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a
> > > natural setting with no signals for a couple of nights and it felt
> > > wonderful!   Something about being inside the canopy is still not
right
> > > for my body.
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "ob4567" sueandgerry@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Marc,
> > > >
> > > > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
> > > >
> > > > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to
determine
> > > if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if
I
> > > need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.
(Trying to
> > > avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there
is
> > > lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from
well
> > > below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
> > > ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the
room
> > > and the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms
> > > resistence between the canopy and the mat.
> > > >
> > > > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy
> > > it registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi
signals.
> > >     The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably
less
> > > inside the canopy than other places in the house.
> > > >
> > > > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am
> > > outside of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they
were
> > > inside of it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show
great
> > > results.    when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I
feel
> > > like my body has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't
last,
> > > but still great news.
> > > >
> > > > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot
> > > of my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for
awhile,
> > > my skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5
> > > minutes after I am outside of the canopy.
> > > > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
> > > shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change
is
> > > almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy
to be
> > > as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in
it, I
> > > awoke with increased tinnitus.
> > > >
> > > > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was
> > > out,  my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly
loud
> > > noise.  The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the
> > > increase in ringing.
> > > >
> > > > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the
use
> > > of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an
"orgon
> > > box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy
and
> > > bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
> > > dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
> > > reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can
build
> > > up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of
EMF's.
> > > I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep
in


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sue,
Yes your oscilloscope will work because you will be looking for anything in the lower KHz range. Connecting two screwdrivers in the earth approximately 50 feet away from each other will show you any interference in the ground. Make sure the earth is wet in both spots.A passive probe will work for what you are looking at and the leave the ground clip disconnected. 

The ground contact area should be within 20 feet of the canopy and make sure to use a 6 foot grounding rod.  Here is a must see video from Mike Holt discussing stray voltage  and grounding. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAs_FmdxXhQ

Yes you can use those or build your own. I have used an OPTO 22 Model 120D25http://www.ebay.com/itm/Opto-22-120D25-Solid-State-Relay-32VDC-140VAC-25A-NEW-/221047375902?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item337773481e
with a remote control switch. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-remote-control-switch-220V-1-drag-2-way-3000-m-/180988572949?pt=Home_Automation_Modules&hash=item2a23c27515

Yes, the neutral could carry something new called G3-PLC which uses a 10KHz- 500KHz frequency to communicate with home appliances. I have seen it create a 10 foot field on an energized wire. They tout that it jumps transformers and it's due to such a huge wavelength. It's a real nightmare!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJOfqTq9lI


Al

________________________________
 From: ob4567 <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:08 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1 condition
 


 
Hi Al,

Your email is prompting a lot more questions :)  Thanks for all of your
input!

Regarding checking the location of the ground stake - We just happen to
have an oscilloscope! However, it is an old 15Mhz scope we inherited
from a friend.    Is that enough bandwidth?

What would a bad location for a ground look like as far as scope signals
go?

I just read up on scope probes.   Do I need an active probe rather than
a passive one or is a passive X1 probe good enough?

When checking the location, do I put the probe on the ground stake that
is inserted into the earth and leave the probe's ground clip
disconnected?

Regarding installing a remote solid state switch -

Does the kind of solid state remote switch you have in mind disconnect
both the hot and neutral connections?

Are you talking about something along these lines? Automoatic Demand
Switch <http://www.lessemf.com/emf-appl.html>        Or this?

http://www.landisgyr.com/webfoo/wp-content/uploads/product-files/TS2Remo\
teServiceSwitchSellSheet_AMI_PLC1.pdf

(sorry, can't get the insert link function to work with the above link)

What is your opinion on this? ....We normally keep most of the circuit
breakers off in the house.    If the remote switch does disconnect both
the hot and neutral wires in the canopy room, there will still be some
power in other parts of the house, if we are operating normally.   Will
whatever is carried on the neutral and ground wires in those parts of
the house also be induced into the disconnected neutral and ground wires
in the canopy room just because they may physically near?

Thanks again!
Sue
--- In [hidden email], Al Harding  wrote:
>
> Sue,
>
> I'm elated for you! Thanks for sharing your results as there may be
someone lurking that is having a terrible time and can't find
relief.Â
>
> You may want to have an electrician install remote solid state
switches. That way you could disconnect from your bedroom.Â
>
> Make sure that the shielded cable has metal braiding inside of the
plastic housing. The stuff that they use for a cable box will do. Also,
test where the ground stake is located. Â An oscilloscope is optimal
to make sure it's a good ground and keep it away from your main power
line. present on the neutral wire.  We tried a new test - disconnected the
power to the house at the main electrical panel, then also disconnected
the neutral wire at the load side so that the house neutral wires were
no longer connected to the utility company's neutral and ground.
>
> Then I went inside the canopy to discover Canopy Heaven :) It felt
sooooooo good to be in there! reminding me of being at a beach with no
signals.    The need to get out of the canopy or of having had enough
completely disappeared.   Just wonderful :)
>
> Of course, being without power and neutral isn't practical.   I wish
there were a filter of some kind to block what is being transferred to
the house neutral and ground wires when the neutral is connected up at
the main panel.
>
> Anyhow, the good feeling in the canopy is enough to motivate me to try
the idea of the shielded cable connected to a ground rod outside.
> I see that there are different kinds of shielding cable.   Do you have
a recommendation as to the kind of shielding cable?
>
> In the meantime, I've been having some success using the microwave
absorbing material in our old electrical power free motorhome.   But an
occasional pulse does get through.     I think it's our neighbor's smart
meter pulses, judging by the looks and timing of them on the RF meter
screen.  The canopy inside the house laughs at smart meter pulses (they
don't get through).
>
> Sue
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:
> >
> > Sue,
> >
> > There is always energy on the neutral wire even when the breaker is
off. EMF will use energized wire to travel on. ÂÂ
> >
> > The best way to get a good ground is with a shielded cable, situated
away from the house wiring, attached to a properly installed grounding
rod.ÂÂ
> >
> > Al
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:31 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
grounding
> >
> >
> >
> > ÂÂ
> > Hi Debbie,
> >
> > Thanks for your comments :).  It sounds like what you are doing is
succeeding so far.    A friend bought some microwave absorbing material
and put it under her hat and says it helps.   It is thin, has a fine
coating of plastic and is quite thin and easy to shape.   When wearing
shielding clothing, have you tried using an absorbing material rather
than fabrics that shield by reflecting EMF's away?  Just curious if you
notice any difference between reflective and aborbing material.
> >
> > Also, if it's not too much trouble, can you please give some details
about the bad EMF's you got from your grounding system?   Thanks if you
can :).
> >
> > I think you are right about about many of us having bacteria and
pathogens we may not know about, that EMF's can help them thrive in our
bodies, and that their dying off can create symptoms.   This is the
first I've heard about Candida living under the skin!  Interesting.  :)
> >
> > I don't think the skin sensations I'm experiencing fits in the
die-off scenario though, because the skin sensations are only happening
when there is electrical power in the wires inside the walls of the
canopy room and I am inside the canopy.   When there is no electrical
power in the wires, and I am in the canopy, there is no odd skin
sensation at all.     I'm highly sensitive to ELF's.   Suspect they
somehow get picked up from the energized wires in the walls and
broadcasted in some way inside the canopy, regardless of the ground.
> >
> > Sue
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@ wrote:
> > >
> > > hi Sue, I've been experimenting with wearing shielded garments etc
for
> > > 2 years and totally relate to the skin burning and feeling like
I've
> > > had enough at times--though it seems to have all the same good
effects
> > > that you mentioned!  body relaxing, etc!  What I think is
happening is
> > > the most of us have more bacteria, and pathogens in our body than
we
> > > realize, and they are assisted by bad EMF's, when that is gone,
they
> > > start to die, and its a known fact, like with candida die off,
when
> > > they do they let off even more toxins when alive, and they often
live
> > > under the skin...so I use it off and on, and think it aids my
body....
> > >
> > > but I have gotten bad emf's from my grounding system in my house
too... the
> > > outside of the house wall,  then went inside the canopy.  The skin
> > > sensitivity and stinging sensation disappeared.  The newly
increased
> > > tinnitus decreased while inside the canopy! A total surprise.
> > >
> > > Here's the question - disconnected the ground to see what would
happen.
> > >   Instantly could not stand being in the canopy, so reconnected it
> > > immediately.  Any thoughts about what is being grounded?
> > >
> > > I thought the ground was for the 60hz electrical fields because
these
> > > metallic shielding fabrics amplify them, but the canopy appears to
> > > still be picking up a charge of some kind with the electrical
power
> > > turned off.  I wasn't aware of RF fields creating a charge too,
but I
> > > guess it makes sense, if that is the case.
> > >
> > > Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like it
"had
> > > enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need
to get
> > > out.  Later,  a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same
thing
> > > happened again for me.
> > >
> > > I doubt this need to get out of the grounded canopy has anything
to do
> > > with my body missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a
> > > natural setting with no signals for a couple of nights and it felt
> > > wonderful!   Something about being inside the canopy is still not
right
> > > for my body.
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "ob4567" sueandgerry@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Marc,
> > > >
> > > > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
> > > >
> > > > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to
determine
> > > if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if
I
> > > need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.
(Trying to
> > > avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there
is
> > > lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from
well
> > > below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
> > > ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the
room
> > > and the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms
> > > resistence between the canopy and the mat.
> > > >
> > > > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy
> > > it registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi
signals.
> > >     The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably
less
> > > inside the canopy than other places in the house.
> > > >
> > > > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am
> > > outside of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they
were
> > > inside of it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show
great
> > > results.    when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I
feel
> > > like my body has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't
last,
> > > but still great news.
> > > >
> > > > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot
> > > of my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for
awhile,
> > > my skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5
> > > minutes after I am outside of the canopy.
> > > > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
> > > shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change
is
> > > almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy
to be
> > > as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in
it, I
> > > awoke with increased tinnitus.
> > > >
> > > > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was
> > > out,  my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly
loud
> > > noise.  The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the
> > > increase in ringing.
> > > >
> > > > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the
use
> > > of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an
"orgon
> > > box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy
and
> > > bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
> > > dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
> > > reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can
build
> > > up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of
EMF's.
> > > I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep
in
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Sue,

 I just found this in my spam box. You need to use more than one case. Stacked cases of water will absorb and block high frequency RF.  I have been able to use this for temporary and long term situations. Most people don't want to see a wall of stacked cases of water in their bedrooms. 
Al

________________________________
 From: ob4567 <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:04 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
 


 
Hi Al,

Sorry not to get back sooner - I'm not using the computer much due to EHS.

Regarding my test on the case of water... I found it wasn't a good one.  As it turns out, my reading depended how low to the garage floor I held the meter.   I did the same test in the same low location when the case of water was removed, and the reading was the same!   Ha!  A scientist I'll never make lol.

I put off the water idea and have been meaning to get to you.  I know you definitely feel better with the cases of water stacked up.  Have you measured with your RF meter to see the difference in RF between before and after you put cases of water up?

Sue

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