Canopy experiment

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> Al
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>  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@...
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:47 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1 condition
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> Al,
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> I've given a lot of thought to your comment about energy always being

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> > > From: ob4567
> > > To: eSens [hidden email]
> > > Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:09 pm
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
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> > > Turned all power off to our house at the utility box located on

> > > it lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
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> > > > Moving on :)
> > > > Sue
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>  I just found this in my spam box. You need to use more than one case. Stacked cases of water will absorb and block high frequency RF.  I have been able to use this for temporary and long term situations. Most people don't want to see a wall of stacked cases of water in their bedrooms. 
> Al
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> ________________________________
>  From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:04 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
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>  
> Hi Al,
>
> Sorry not to get back sooner - I'm not using the computer much due to EHS.
>
> Regarding my test on the case of water... I found it wasn't a good one.  As it turns out, my reading depended how low to the garage floor I held the meter.   I did the same test in the same low location when the case of water was removed, and the reading was the same!   Ha!  A scientist I'll never make lol.
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> I put off the water idea and have been meaning to get to you.  I know you definitely feel better with the cases of water stacked up.  Have you measured with your RF meter to see the difference in RF between before and after you put cases of water up?
>
> Sue
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> [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@> wrote:
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> > Sue,
> >
> > Were you able to experiment with more water? Placing walls of water around the bedroom along with turning the power off will reduce the smart meter emissions greatly. 
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 9:27 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> > We happened to have an unopened case of 16-oz bottles in the garage, so I whipped out my Cornet 85EDXS RF meter to check it out.      Very interesting.   Ordinarily, the meter picks up wifi, smart meters and cell phone tower signals throughout the garage.    When pointing its antenna directly at the case of water with a tiny space between them,  the meter didn't register any RF, aside from intermittent neighborhood smart meter pulses.      And the smart meter pulsing amplitude was cut in half.   Not bad!
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> > Sue
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "ob4567" <sueandgerry@> wrote:
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> > > > It depends on the where the propagating source is coming from. I use a Gigahertz Solutions 38B to detect direction. If you don't have one just stack them around your bed at least three feet higher than your head.
> > > >
> > > > It will be just like playing "fort" again, like when we were kids..........
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hahahaha.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >  From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@>
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:11 PM
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
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> > > > > You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm impressed with the simplicity of this.  So you stick the cases all the way to ceiling?
> > > >
> > > > > -----------------------------
> > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >Lynn,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
> > > > > >> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Yes,   it sounds like the microwave absorbing quality of water  could
> > > > > >possibly make it be a good insulator.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
> > > > > >> such as mat or canopy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I'll give this some thought.   (I'm kinda chicken right now to try
> > > > > >another experiement, cluck cluck lol.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
> > > > > >> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >No.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent
> > > > > >naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/>   for a few years.
> > > > > >This guy has helped me so much!    I used to be pretty couch-bound
> > > > > >during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently.
> > > > > >If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the
> > > > > >precautions I must take because of ES, etc.,  I'd think I was one of
> > > > > >healthiest people alive because I feel so good :).     So much of this
> > > > > >is because of his program and the information he provides.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >And while his program cannot stop the effects of wireless technology, it
> > > > > >can locate and and provide support to organs and tissues that need
> > > > > >support.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Good luck if you decide to try homeopathy!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Sue
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Good luck if you decide to try it! :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Sue
> > > > > >--- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@"  wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
> > > > > >> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
> > > > > >> such as mat or canopy.
> > > > > >> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
> > > > > >> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
> > > > > >> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Lynn D
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Sue,
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I apologize for intruding.ÃÆ'‚
> > > > > >> > Have you tried stacking cases of water against walls where the high
> > > > > >measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of
> > > > > >water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I
> > > > > >have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Al
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > ________________________________
> > > > > >> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> > > > > >> > To: [hidden email]
> > > > > >> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:17 PM
> > > > > >> > Subject: [eSens] Canopy experiment
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > ÃÆ'‚
> > > > > >> > Hi Marc,
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine
> > > > > >if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
> > > > > >need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
> > > > > >avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
> > > > > >lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
> > > > > >below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
> > > > > >ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and
> > > > > >the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence
> > > > > >between the canopy and the mat.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it
> > > > > >registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.
> > > > > >The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside
> > > > > >the canopy than other places in the house.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside
> > > > > >of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of
> > > > > >it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results.
> > > > > >when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body
> > > > > >has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still
> > > > > >great news.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of
> > > > > >my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my
> > > > > >skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes
> > > > > >after I am outside of the canopy.
> > > > > >> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
> > > > > >shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
> > > > > >almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be
> > > > > >as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I
> > > > > >awoke with increased tinnitus.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,
> > > > > >my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.
> > > > > >The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in
> > > > > >ringing.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use
> > > > > >of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon
> > > > > >box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and
> > > > > >bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
> > > > > >dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
> > > > > >reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build
> > > > > >up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.
> > > > > >I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it
> > > > > >lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Moving on :)
> > > > > >> > Sue
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>  I just found this in my spam box. You need to use more than one case. Stacked cases of water will absorb and block high frequency RF.  I have been able to use this for temporary and long term situations. Most people don't want to see a wall of stacked cases of water in their bedrooms. 
> Al
>
> ________________________________
>  From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:04 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
>
>
>
>  
> Hi Al,
>
> Sorry not to get back sooner - I'm not using the computer much due to EHS.
>
> Regarding my test on the case of water... I found it wasn't a good one.  As it turns out, my reading depended how low to the garage floor I held the meter.   I did the same test in the same low location when the case of water was removed, and the reading was the same!   Ha!  A scientist I'll never make lol.
>
> I put off the water idea and have been meaning to get to you.  I know you definitely feel better with the cases of water stacked up.  Have you measured with your RF meter to see the difference in RF between before and after you put cases of water up?
>
> Sue
>
> [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@> wrote:
> >
> > Sue,
> >
> > Were you able to experiment with more water? Placing walls of water around the bedroom along with turning the power off will reduce the smart meter emissions greatly. 
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 9:27 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> > We happened to have an unopened case of 16-oz bottles in the garage, so I whipped out my Cornet 85EDXS RF meter to check it out.      Very interesting.   Ordinarily, the meter picks up wifi, smart meters and cell phone tower signals throughout the garage.    When pointing its antenna directly at the case of water with a tiny space between them,  the meter didn't register any RF, aside from intermittent neighborhood smart meter pulses.      And the smart meter pulsing amplitude was cut in half.   Not bad!
> >
> > Sue
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "ob4567" <sueandgerry@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > It depends on the where the propagating source is coming from. I use a Gigahertz Solutions 38B to detect direction. If you don't have one just stack them around your bed at least three feet higher than your head.
> > > >
> > > > It will be just like playing "fort" again, like when we were kids..........
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hahahaha.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >  From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@>
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:11 PM
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm impressed with the simplicity of this.  So you stick the cases all the way to ceiling?
> > > >
> > > > > -----------------------------
> > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Lynn,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
> > > > > >> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Yes,   it sounds like the microwave absorbing quality of water  could
> > > > > >possibly make it be a good insulator.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
> > > > > >> such as mat or canopy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I'll give this some thought.   (I'm kinda chicken right now to try
> > > > > >another experiement, cluck cluck lol.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
> > > > > >> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >No.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent
> > > > > >naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/>   for a few years.
> > > > > >This guy has helped me so much!    I used to be pretty couch-bound
> > > > > >during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently.
> > > > > >If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the
> > > > > >precautions I must take because of ES, etc.,  I'd think I was one of
> > > > > >healthiest people alive because I feel so good :).     So much of this
> > > > > >is because of his program and the information he provides.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >And while his program cannot stop the effects of wireless technology, it
> > > > > >can locate and and provide support to organs and tissues that need
> > > > > >support.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Good luck if you decide to try homeopathy!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Sue
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Good luck if you decide to try it! :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Sue
> > > > > >--- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@"  wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
> > > > > >> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
> > > > > >> such as mat or canopy.
> > > > > >> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
> > > > > >> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
> > > > > >> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Lynn D
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Sue,
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I apologize for intruding.ÃÆ'‚
> > > > > >> > Have you tried stacking cases of water against walls where the high
> > > > > >measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of
> > > > > >water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I
> > > > > >have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Al
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > ________________________________
> > > > > >> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> > > > > >> > To: [hidden email]
> > > > > >> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:17 PM
> > > > > >> > Subject: [eSens] Canopy experiment
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > ÃÆ'‚
> > > > > >> > Hi Marc,
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine
> > > > > >if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
> > > > > >need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
> > > > > >avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
> > > > > >lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
> > > > > >below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
> > > > > >ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and
> > > > > >the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence
> > > > > >between the canopy and the mat.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it
> > > > > >registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.
> > > > > >The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside
> > > > > >the canopy than other places in the house.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside
> > > > > >of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of
> > > > > >it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results.
> > > > > >when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body
> > > > > >has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still
> > > > > >great news.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of
> > > > > >my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my
> > > > > >skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes
> > > > > >after I am outside of the canopy.
> > > > > >> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
> > > > > >shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
> > > > > >almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be
> > > > > >as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I
> > > > > >awoke with increased tinnitus.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,
> > > > > >my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.
> > > > > >The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in
> > > > > >ringing.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use
> > > > > >of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon
> > > > > >box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and
> > > > > >bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
> > > > > >dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
> > > > > >reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build
> > > > > >up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.
> > > > > >I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it
> > > > > >lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Moving on :)
> > > > > >> > Sue
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> On July 27, ob4567 <sueandgerry@...> wrote:
> > Of course, being without power and neutral isn't practical.   I wish there were a
> > filter of some kind to block what is being transferred to the house neutral and
> > ground wires when the neutral is connected up at the main panel.  
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> I wonder if there already *is* a type of filter that will help out here?  I
> know some Furman power strips advertise themselves as having "zero
> ground contamination", so maybe you could make use of that?
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> I use Furman power strips at home, and have found them to be better than
> the average filtering power strip.
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> Marc
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> Sue,
>  Don't pay attention to the 50 foot 2 screwdriver interference test. Just keep the ground away from the electrical box and use the oscilloscope for a voltage test along with modulation on the signal. I am EHS also and got a little tired (dreamlike state) when posting the original. 
> Al
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Al Harding <iprovedit@...>
> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1 condition
>  
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>  
> Sue,
> Yes your oscilloscope will work because you will be looking for anything in the lower KHz range. Connecting two screwdrivers in the earth approximately 50 feet away from each other will show you any interference in the ground. Make sure the earth is wet in both spots.A passive probe will work for what you are looking at and the leave the ground clip disconnected. 
>
> The ground contact area should be within 20 feet of the canopy and make sure to use a 6 foot grounding rod.  Here is a must see video from Mike Holt discussing stray voltage  and grounding. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAs_FmdxXhQ
>
> Yes you can use those or build your own. I have used an OPTO 22 Model 120D25http://www.ebay.com/itm/Opto-22-120D25-Solid-State-Relay-32VDC-140VAC-25A-NEW-/221047375902?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item337773481e
> with a remote control switch. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-remote-control-switch-220V-1-drag-2-way-3000-m-/180988572949?pt=Home_Automation_Modules&hash=item2a23c27515
>
> Yes, the neutral could carry something new called G3-PLC which uses a 10KHz- 500KHz frequency to communicate with home appliances. I have seen it create a 10 foot field on an energized wire. They tout that it jumps transformers and it's due to such a huge wavelength. It's a real nightmare!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJOfqTq9lI
>
> Al
>
> ________________________________
> From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:08 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1 condition
>
>
>  
> Hi Al,
>
> Your email is prompting a lot more questions :)  Thanks for all of your
> input!
>
> Regarding checking the location of the ground stake - We just happen to
> have an oscilloscope! However, it is an old 15Mhz scope we inherited
> from a friend.    Is that enough bandwidth?
>
> What would a bad location for a ground look like as far as scope signals
> go?
>
> I just read up on scope probes.   Do I need an active probe rather than
> a passive one or is a passive X1 probe good enough?
>
> When checking the location, do I put the probe on the ground stake that
> is inserted into the earth and leave the probe's ground clip
> disconnected?
>
> Regarding installing a remote solid state switch -
>
> Does the kind of solid state remote switch you have in mind disconnect
> both the hot and neutral connections?
>
> Are you talking about something along these lines? Automoatic Demand
> Switch <http://www.lessemf.com/emf-appl.html>        Or this?
>
> http://www.landisgyr.com/webfoo/wp-content/uploads/product-files/TS2Remo\
> teServiceSwitchSellSheet_AMI_PLC1.pdf
>
> (sorry, can't get the insert link function to work with the above link)
>
> What is your opinion on this? ....We normally keep most of the circuit
> breakers off in the house.    If the remote switch does disconnect both
> the hot and neutral wires in the canopy room, there will still be some
> power in other parts of the house, if we are operating normally.   Will
> whatever is carried on the neutral and ground wires in those parts of
> the house also be induced into the disconnected neutral and ground wires
> in the canopy room just because they may physically near?
>
> Thanks again!
> Sue
> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding  wrote:
> >
> > Sue,
> >
> > I'm elated for you! Thanks for sharing your results as there may be
> someone lurking that is having a terrible time and can't find
> relief.Â
> >
> > You may want to have an electrician install remote solid state
> switches. That way you could disconnect from your bedroom.Â
> >
> > Make sure that the shielded cable has metal braiding inside of the
> plastic housing. The stuff that they use for a cable box will do. Also,
> test where the ground stake is located. Â An oscilloscope is optimal
> to make sure it's a good ground and keep it away from your main power
> line.Â
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:47 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1 condition
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> > Al,
> >
> > I've given a lot of thought to your comment about energy always being
> present on the neutral wire.  We tried a new test - disconnected the
> power to the house at the main electrical panel, then also disconnected
> the neutral wire at the load side so that the house neutral wires were
> no longer connected to the utility company's neutral and ground.
> >
> > Then I went inside the canopy to discover Canopy Heaven :) It felt
> sooooooo good to be in there! reminding me of being at a beach with no
> signals.    The need to get out of the canopy or of having had enough
> completely disappeared.   Just wonderful :)
> >
> > Of course, being without power and neutral isn't practical.   I wish
> there were a filter of some kind to block what is being transferred to
> the house neutral and ground wires when the neutral is connected up at
> the main panel.
> >
> > Anyhow, the good feeling in the canopy is enough to motivate me to try
> the idea of the shielded cable connected to a ground rod outside.
> > I see that there are different kinds of shielding cable.   Do you have
> a recommendation as to the kind of shielding cable?
> >
> > In the meantime, I've been having some success using the microwave
> absorbing material in our old electrical power free motorhome.   But an
> occasional pulse does get through.     I think it's our neighbor's smart
> meter pulses, judging by the looks and timing of them on the RF meter
> screen.  The canopy inside the house laughs at smart meter pulses (they
> don't get through).
> >
> > Sue
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Sue,
> > >
> > > There is always energy on the neutral wire even when the breaker is
> off. EMF will use energized wire to travel on. ÂÂ
> > >
> > > The best way to get a good ground is with a shielded cable, situated
> away from the house wiring, attached to a properly installed grounding
> rod.ÂÂ
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:31 PM
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
> grounding
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ÂÂ
> > > Hi Debbie,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your comments :).  It sounds like what you are doing is
> succeeding so far.    A friend bought some microwave absorbing material
> and put it under her hat and says it helps.   It is thin, has a fine
> coating of plastic and is quite thin and easy to shape.   When wearing
> shielding clothing, have you tried using an absorbing material rather
> than fabrics that shield by reflecting EMF's away?  Just curious if you
> notice any difference between reflective and aborbing material.
> > >
> > > Also, if it's not too much trouble, can you please give some details
> about the bad EMF's you got from your grounding system?   Thanks if you
> can :).
> > >
> > > I think you are right about about many of us having bacteria and
> pathogens we may not know about, that EMF's can help them thrive in our
> bodies, and that their dying off can create symptoms.   This is the
> first I've heard about Candida living under the skin!  Interesting.  :)
> > >
> > > I don't think the skin sensations I'm experiencing fits in the
> die-off scenario though, because the skin sensations are only happening
> when there is electrical power in the wires inside the walls of the
> canopy room and I am inside the canopy.   When there is no electrical
> power in the wires, and I am in the canopy, there is no odd skin
> sensation at all.     I'm highly sensitive to ELF's.   Suspect they
> somehow get picked up from the energized wires in the walls and
> broadcasted in some way inside the canopy, regardless of the ground.
> > >
> > > Sue
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hi Sue, I've been experimenting with wearing shielded garments etc
> for
> > > > 2 years and totally relate to the skin burning and feeling like
> I've
> > > > had enough at times--though it seems to have all the same good
> effects
> > > > that you mentioned!  body relaxing, etc!  What I think is
> happening is
> > > > the most of us have more bacteria, and pathogens in our body than
> we
> > > > realize, and they are assisted by bad EMF's, when that is gone,
> they
> > > > start to die, and its a known fact, like with candida die off,
> when
> > > > they do they let off even more toxins when alive, and they often
> live
> > > > under the skin...so I use it off and on, and think it aids my
> body....
> > > >
> > > > but I have gotten bad emf's from my grounding system in my house
> too...
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ob4567
> > > > To: eSens [hidden email]
> > > > Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:09 pm
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
> > > > grounding
> > > >
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ
> > > > Turned all power off to our house at the utility box located on
> the
> > > > outside of the house wall,  then went inside the canopy.  The skin
> > > > sensitivity and stinging sensation disappeared.  The newly
> increased
> > > > tinnitus decreased while inside the canopy! A total surprise.
> > > >
> > > > Here's the question - disconnected the ground to see what would
> happen.
> > > >   Instantly could not stand being in the canopy, so reconnected it
> > > > immediately.  Any thoughts about what is being grounded?
> > > >
> > > > I thought the ground was for the 60hz electrical fields because
> these
> > > > metallic shielding fabrics amplify them, but the canopy appears to
> > > > still be picking up a charge of some kind with the electrical
> power
> > > > turned off.  I wasn't aware of RF fields creating a charge too,
> but I
> > > > guess it makes sense, if that is the case.
> > > >
> > > > Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like it
> "had
> > > > enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need
> to get
> > > > out.  Later,  a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same
> thing
> > > > happened again for me.
> > > >
> > > > I doubt this need to get out of the grounded canopy has anything
> to do
> > > > with my body missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a
> > > > natural setting with no signals for a couple of nights and it felt
> > > > wonderful!   Something about being inside the canopy is still not
> right
> > > > for my body.
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email], "ob4567" sueandgerry@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Marc,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
> > > > >
> > > > > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to
> determine
> > > > if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if
> I
> > > > need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.
> (Trying to
> > > > avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there
> is
> > > > lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from
> well
> > > > below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
> > > > ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the
> room
> > > > and the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms
> > > > resistence between the canopy and the mat.
> > > > >
> > > > > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy
> > > > it registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi
> signals.
> > > >     The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably
> less
> > > > inside the canopy than other places in the house.
> > > > >
> > > > > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am
> > > > outside of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they
> were
> > > > inside of it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show
> great
> > > > results.    when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I
> feel
> > > > like my body has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't
> last,
> > > > but still great news.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot
> > > > of my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for
> awhile,
> > > > my skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5
> > > > minutes after I am outside of the canopy.
> > > > > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
> > > > shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change
> is
> > > > almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy
> to be
> > > > as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in
> it, I
> > > > awoke with increased tinnitus.
> > > > >
> > > > > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was
> > > > out,  my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly
> loud
> > > > noise.  The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the
> > > > increase in ringing.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the
> use
> > > > of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an
> "orgon
> > > > box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy
> and
> > > > bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
> > > > dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
> > > > reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can
> build
> > > > up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of
> EMF's.
> > > > I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep
> in
> > > > it lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Moving on :)
> > > > > Sue
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>  
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJOfqTq9lI
>
>
> Al
>
> ________________________________
>  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@...
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:08 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1 condition
>
>
>
> Â
> Hi Al,
>
> Your email is prompting a lot more questions :)  Thanks for all of

> is inserted into the earth and leave the probe's ground clip
> disconnected?
>
> Regarding installing a remote solid state switch -
>
> Does the kind of solid state remote switch you have in mind disconnect
> both the hot and neutral connections?
>
> Are you talking about something along these lines? Automoatic Demand
> Switch         Or this?
>
>

> in the canopy room just because they may physically near?
>
> Thanks again!
> Sue
> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding  wrote:
> >
> > Sue,
> >
> > I'm elated for you! Thanks for sharing your results as there may be
> someone lurking that is having a terrible time and can't find
> relief.Â
> >
> > You may want to have an electrician install remote solid state
> switches. That way you could disconnect from your bedroom.Â
> >
> > Make sure that the shielded cable has metal braiding inside of the
> plastic housing. The stuff that they use for a cable box will do.

> to make sure it's a good ground and keep it away from your main power
> line.Â
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:47 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1

> the neutral wire at the load side so that the house neutral wires were
> no longer connected to the utility company's neutral and ground.
> >
> > Then I went inside the canopy to discover Canopy Heaven :) It felt
> sooooooo good to be in there! reminding me of being at a beach with no
> signals.    The need to get out of the canopy or of having had enough
> completely disappeared.   Just wonderful :)
> >
> > Of course, being without power and neutral isn't practical.   I wish
> there were a filter of some kind to block what is being transferred to
> the house neutral and ground wires when the neutral is connected up at
> the main panel.
> >
> > Anyhow, the good feeling in the canopy is enough to motivate me to

> don't get through).
> >
> > Sue
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Sue,
> > >
> > > There is always energy on the neutral wire even when the breaker

> away from the house wiring, attached to a properly installed grounding
> rod.ÂÂ
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:31 PM
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
> grounding
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ÂÂ
> > > Hi Debbie,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your comments :).  It sounds like what you are doing is
> succeeding so far.    A friend bought some microwave absorbing

> when there is electrical power in the wires inside the walls of the
> canopy room and I am inside the canopy.   When there is no electrical
> power in the wires, and I am in the canopy, there is no odd skin
> sensation at all.     I'm highly sensitive to ELF's.   Suspect they
> somehow get picked up from the energized wires in the walls and
> broadcasted in some way inside the canopy, regardless of the ground.
> > >
> > > Sue
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hi Sue, I've been experimenting with wearing shielded garments

> we
> > > > realize, and they are assisted by bad EMF's, when that is gone,
> they
> > > > start to die, and its a known fact, like with candida die off,
> when
> > > > they do they let off even more toxins when alive, and they often
> live
> > > > under the skin...so I use it off and on, and think it aids my
> body....
> > > >
> > > > but I have gotten bad emf's from my grounding system in my house
> too...
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ob4567
> > > > To: eSens [hidden email]
> > > > Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:09 pm
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
> > > > grounding
> > > >
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ
> > > > Turned all power off to our house at the utility box located on
> the
> > > > outside of the house wall,  then went inside the canopy.  The

> "had
> > > > enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need
> to get
> > > > out.  Later,  a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same
> thing
> > > > happened again for me.
> > > >
> > > > I doubt this need to get out of the grounded canopy has anything
> to do
> > > > with my body missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a
> > > > natural setting with no signals for a couple of nights and it

> were
> > > > inside of it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show
> great
> > > > results.    when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I
> feel
> > > > like my body has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't
> last,
> > > > but still great news.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a

> in
> > > > it lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Moving on :)
> > > > > Sue
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi Al,
>
> OK on the o'scope!   I will keep the 20 foot area in mind.
>
> I appreciate the links to the videos, but my laptop audio circuit zaps
> my energy within moments so it remains disabled, making most videos hard
> to follow (except this one I just got in email  -completely off the
> subject of this forum but cool just the same lol  The Incredible Power
> Of Concentration - Miyoko Shida
> <http://www.flixxy.com/the-incredible-power-of-concentration-miyoko-shid\
> a.htm>  ).
>
> I found Mike Holt's website and his newsletters on stray voltage, so
> I'll check them out.
>
> G3-PLC!...Green Bank WV keeps looking better all the time, even with its
> harsh winters, 1950's mindset and isolation from family and friends.
>
> Since the remote controlled relays are solid state,  I guess using one
> adds to the dirty electricity we already have - still giving it a lot of
> thought, though ...Depending on its size,  we might be able to install
> it inside garage elctrical subpanel.
>
> Thanks!
> Sue
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding  wrote:
> >
> > Sue,
> > Yes your oscilloscope will work because you will be looking for
> anything in the lower KHz range. Connecting two screwdrivers in the
> earth approximately 50 feet away from each other will show you any
> interference in the ground. Make sure the earth is wet in both
> spots.A passive probe will work for what you are looking at and the
> leave the ground clip disconnected.Â
> >
> > The ground contact area should be within 20 feet of the canopy and
> make sure to use a 6 foot grounding rod. Â Here is a must see video
> from Mike Holt discussing stray voltage  and grounding.Â
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAs_FmdxXhQ
> >
> > Yes you can use those or build your own. I have used an OPTO 22 Model
> 120D25http://www.ebay.com/itm/Opto-22-120D25-Solid-State-Relay-32VDC-140\
> VAC-25A-NEW-/221047375902?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item337773481e
> > with a remote control switch.Â
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-remote-control-switch-220V-1-drag-2-way\
> -3000-m-/180988572949?pt=Home_Automation_Modules&hash=item2a23c27515
> >
> > Yes, the neutral could carry something new called G3-PLC which uses a
> 10KHz- 500KHz frequency to communicate with home appliances. I have seen
> it create a 10 foot field on an energized wire. They tout that it jumps
> transformers and it's due to such a huge wavelength. It's a real
> nightmare!
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJOfqTq9lI
> >
> >
> > Al
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:08 AM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1 condition
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> > Hi Al,
> >
> > Your email is prompting a lot more questions :)  Thanks for all of
> your
> > input!
> >
> > Regarding checking the location of the ground stake - We just happen
> to
> > have an oscilloscope! However, it is an old 15Mhz scope we inherited
> > from a friend.    Is that enough bandwidth?
> >
> > What would a bad location for a ground look like as far as scope
> signals
> > go?
> >
> > I just read up on scope probes.   Do I need an active probe rather
> than
> > a passive one or is a passive X1 probe good enough?
> >
> > When checking the location, do I put the probe on the ground stake
> that
> > is inserted into the earth and leave the probe's ground clip
> > disconnected?
> >
> > Regarding installing a remote solid state switch -
> >
> > Does the kind of solid state remote switch you have in mind disconnect
> > both the hot and neutral connections?
> >
> > Are you talking about something along these lines? Automoatic Demand
> > Switch         Or this?
> >
> >
> http://www.landisgyr.com/webfoo/wp-content/uploads/product-files/TS2Remo\
> \
> > teServiceSwitchSellSheet_AMI_PLC1.pdf
> >
> > (sorry, can't get the insert link function to work with the above
> link)
> >
> > What is your opinion on this? ....We normally keep most of the circuit
> > breakers off in the house.    If the remote switch does disconnect
> both
> > the hot and neutral wires in the canopy room, there will still be some
> > power in other parts of the house, if we are operating normally.  
> Will
> > whatever is carried on the neutral and ground wires in those parts of
> > the house also be induced into the disconnected neutral and ground
> wires
> > in the canopy room just because they may physically near?
> >
> > Thanks again!
> > Sue
> > --- In [hidden email], Al Harding  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sue,
> > >
> > > I'm elated for you! Thanks for sharing your results as there may be
> > someone lurking that is having a terrible time and can't find
> > relief.Â
> > >
> > > You may want to have an electrician install remote solid state
> > switches. That way you could disconnect from your bedroom.Â
> > >
> > > Make sure that the shielded cable has metal braiding inside of the
> > plastic housing. The stuff that they use for a cable box will do.
> Also,
> > test where the ground stake is located. Â An oscilloscope is
> optimal
> > to make sure it's a good ground and keep it away from your main power
> > line.Â
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:47 PM
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1
> condition
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Al,
> > >
> > > I've given a lot of thought to your comment about energy always
> being
> > present on the neutral wire.  We tried a new test - disconnected the
> > power to the house at the main electrical panel, then also
> disconnected
> > the neutral wire at the load side so that the house neutral wires were
> > no longer connected to the utility company's neutral and ground.
> > >
> > > Then I went inside the canopy to discover Canopy Heaven :) It felt
> > sooooooo good to be in there! reminding me of being at a beach with no
> > signals.    The need to get out of the canopy or of having had enough
> > completely disappeared.   Just wonderful :)
> > >
> > > Of course, being without power and neutral isn't practical.   I wish
> > there were a filter of some kind to block what is being transferred to
> > the house neutral and ground wires when the neutral is connected up at
> > the main panel.
> > >
> > > Anyhow, the good feeling in the canopy is enough to motivate me to
> try
> > the idea of the shielded cable connected to a ground rod outside.
> > > I see that there are different kinds of shielding cable.   Do you
> have
> > a recommendation as to the kind of shielding cable?
> > >
> > > In the meantime, I've been having some success using the microwave
> > absorbing material in our old electrical power free motorhome.   But
> an
> > occasional pulse does get through.     I think it's our neighbor's
> smart
> > meter pulses, judging by the looks and timing of them on the RF meter
> > screen.  The canopy inside the house laughs at smart meter pulses
> (they
> > don't get through).
> > >
> > > Sue
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sue,
> > > >
> > > > There is always energy on the neutral wire even when the breaker
> is
> > off. EMF will use energized wire to travel on. ÂÂ
> > > >
> > > > The best way to get a good ground is with a shielded cable,
> situated
> > away from the house wiring, attached to a properly installed grounding
> > rod.ÂÂ
> > > >
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:31 PM
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
> > grounding
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ÂÂ
> > > > Hi Debbie,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your comments :).  It sounds like what you are doing is
> > succeeding so far.    A friend bought some microwave absorbing
> material
> > and put it under her hat and says it helps.   It is thin, has a fine
> > coating of plastic and is quite thin and easy to shape.   When wearing
> > shielding clothing, have you tried using an absorbing material rather
> > than fabrics that shield by reflecting EMF's away?  Just curious if
> you
> > notice any difference between reflective and aborbing material.
> > > >
> > > > Also, if it's not too much trouble, can you please give some
> details
> > about the bad EMF's you got from your grounding system?   Thanks if
> you
> > can :).
> > > >
> > > > I think you are right about about many of us having bacteria and
> > pathogens we may not know about, that EMF's can help them thrive in
> our
> > bodies, and that their dying off can create symptoms.   This is the
> > first I've heard about Candida living under the skin!  Interesting.
> :)
> > > >
> > > > I don't think the skin sensations I'm experiencing fits in the
> > die-off scenario though, because the skin sensations are only
> happening
> > when there is electrical power in the wires inside the walls of the
> > canopy room and I am inside the canopy.   When there is no electrical
> > power in the wires, and I am in the canopy, there is no odd skin
> > sensation at all.     I'm highly sensitive to ELF's.   Suspect they
> > somehow get picked up from the energized wires in the walls and
> > broadcasted in some way inside the canopy, regardless of the ground.
> > > >
> > > > Sue
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hi Sue, I've been experimenting with wearing shielded garments
> etc
> > for
> > > > > 2 years and totally relate to the skin burning and feeling like
> > I've
> > > > > had enough at times--though it seems to have all the same good
> > effects
> > > > > that you mentioned!  body relaxing, etc!  What I think is
> > happening is
> > > > > the most of us have more bacteria, and pathogens in our body
> than
> > we
> > > > > realize, and they are assisted by bad EMF's, when that is gone,
> > they
> > > > > start to die, and its a known fact, like with candida die off,
> > when
> > > > > they do they let off even more toxins when alive, and they often
> > live
> > > > > under the skin...so I use it off and on, and think it aids my
> > body....
> > > > >
> > > > > but I have gotten bad emf's from my grounding system in my house
> > too...
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: ob4567
> > > > > To: eSens [hidden email]
> > > > > Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:09 pm
> > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
> > > > > grounding
> > > > >
> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ
> > > > > Turned all power off to our house at the utility box located on
> > the
> > > > > outside of the house wall,  then went inside the canopy.  The
> skin
> > > > > sensitivity and stinging sensation disappeared.  The newly
> > increased
> > > > > tinnitus decreased while inside the canopy! A total surprise.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's the question - disconnected the ground to see what would
> > happen.
> > > > >   Instantly could not stand being in the canopy, so reconnected
> it
> > > > > immediately.  Any thoughts about what is being grounded?
> > > > >
> > > > > I thought the ground was for the 60hz electrical fields because
> > these
> > > > > metallic shielding fabrics amplify them, but the canopy appears
> to
> > > > > still be picking up a charge of some kind with the electrical
> > power
> > > > > turned off.  I wasn't aware of RF fields creating a charge too,
> > but I
> > > > > guess it makes sense, if that is the case.
> > > > >
> > > > > Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like
> it
> > "had
> > > > > enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need
> > to get
> > > > > out.  Later,  a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same
> > thing
> > > > > happened again for me.
> > > > >
> > > > > I doubt this need to get out of the grounded canopy has anything
> > to do
> > > > > with my body missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a
> > > > > natural setting with no signals for a couple of nights and it
> felt
> > > > > wonderful!   Something about being inside the canopy is still
> not
> > right
> > > > > for my body.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [hidden email], "ob4567" sueandgerry@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Marc,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.
> :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to
> > determine
> > > > > if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or
> if
> > I
> > > > > need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.
> > (Trying to
> > > > > avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so
> there
> > is
> > > > > lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB
> from
> > well
> > > > > below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to
> earth
> > > > > ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the
> > room
> > > > > and the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms
> > > > > resistence between the canopy and the mat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the
> canopy
> > > > > it registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi
> > signals.
> > > > >     The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably
> > less
> > > > > inside the canopy than other places in the house.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am
> > > > > outside of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when
> they
> > were
> > > > > inside of it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show
> > great
> > > > > results.    when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I
> > feel
> > > > > like my body has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't
> > last,
> > > > > but still great news.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a
> lot
> > > > > of my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for
> > awhile,
> > > > > my skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5
> > > > > minutes after I am outside of the canopy.
> > > > > > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
> > > > > shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation
> change
> > is
> > > > > almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large
> canopy
> > to be
> > > > > as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in
> > it, I
> > > > > awoke with increased tinnitus.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I
> was
> > > > > out,  my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly
> > loud
> > > > > noise.  The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for
> the
> > > > > increase in ringing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the
> > use
> > > > > of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an
> > "orgon
> > > > > box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the
> canopy
> > and
> > > > > bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and
> they
> > > > > dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
> > > > > reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can
> > build
> > > > > up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of
> > EMF's.
> > > > > I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't
> sleep
> > in
> > > > > it lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Moving on :)
> > > > > > Sue
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
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>

>Al -
>
>More on the use of a remote SS relay probably causing dirty electricity....what is your opinion?   Would I be defeating my purpose by adding dirty electricity to the very line I am trying to isolate from any extraneous signals so the canopy doesn't amplify them?  
>--- In [hidden email], "ob4567" <sueandgerry@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Al,
>>
>> OK on the o'scope!   I will keep the 20 foot area in mind.
>>
>> I appreciate the links to the videos, but my laptop audio circuit zaps
>> my energy within moments so it remains disabled, making most videos hard
>> to follow (except this one I just got in email  -completely off the
>> subject of this forum but cool just the same lol  The Incredible Power
>> Of Concentration - Miyoko Shida
>> <http://www.flixxy.com/the-incredible-power-of-concentration-miyoko-shid\
>> a.htm>  ).
>>
>> I found Mike Holt's website and his newsletters on stray voltage, so
>> I'll check them out.
>>
>> G3-PLC!...Green Bank WV keeps looking better all the time, even with its
>> harsh winters, 1950's mindset and isolation from family and friends.
>>
>> Since the remote controlled relays are solid state,  I guess using one
>> adds to the dirty electricity we already have - still giving it a lot of
>> thought, though ...Depending on its size,  we might be able to install
>> it inside garage elctrical subpanel.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Sue
>>
>>
>> Sue
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding  wrote:
>> >
>> > Sue,
>> > Yes your oscilloscope will work because you will be looking for
>> anything in the lower KHz range. Connecting two screwdrivers in the
>> earth approximately 50 feet away from each other will show you any
>> interference in the ground. Make sure the earth is wet in both
>> spots.A passive probe will work for what you are looking at and the
>> leave the ground clip disconnected.Â
>> >
>> > The ground contact area should be within 20 feet of the canopy and
>> make sure to use a 6 foot grounding rod. Â Here is a must see video
>> from Mike Holt discussing stray voltage  and grounding.Â
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAs_FmdxXhQ
>> >
>> > Yes you can use those or build your own. I have used an OPTO 22 Model
>> 120D25http://www.ebay.com/itm/Opto-22-120D25-Solid-State-Relay-32VDC-140\
>> VAC-25A-NEW-/221047375902?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item337773481e
>> > with a remote control switch.Â
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-remote-control-switch-220V-1-drag-2-way\
>> -3000-m-/180988572949?pt=Home_Automation_Modules&hash=item2a23c27515
>> >
>> > Yes, the neutral could carry something new called G3-PLC which uses a
>> 10KHz- 500KHz frequency to communicate with home appliances. I have seen
>> it create a 10 foot field on an energized wire. They tout that it jumps
>> transformers and it's due to such a huge wavelength. It's a real
>> nightmare!
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJOfqTq9lI
>> >
>> >
>> > Al
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
>> > To: [hidden email]
>> > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:08 AM
>> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1 condition
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Â
>> > Hi Al,
>> >
>> > Your email is prompting a lot more questions :)  Thanks for all of
>> your
>> > input!
>> >
>> > Regarding checking the location of the ground stake - We just happen
>> to
>> > have an oscilloscope! However, it is an old 15Mhz scope we inherited
>> > from a friend.    Is that enough bandwidth?
>> >
>> > What would a bad location for a ground look like as far as scope
>> signals
>> > go?
>> >
>> > I just read up on scope probes.   Do I need an active probe rather
>> than
>> > a passive one or is a passive X1 probe good enough?
>> >
>> > When checking the location, do I put the probe on the ground stake
>> that
>> > is inserted into the earth and leave the probe's ground clip
>> > disconnected?
>> >
>> > Regarding installing a remote solid state switch -
>> >
>> > Does the kind of solid state remote switch you have in mind disconnect
>> > both the hot and neutral connections?
>> >
>> > Are you talking about something along these lines? Automoatic Demand
>> > Switch         Or this?
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.landisgyr.com/webfoo/wp-content/uploads/product-files/TS2Remo\
>> \
>> > teServiceSwitchSellSheet_AMI_PLC1.pdf
>> >
>> > (sorry, can't get the insert link function to work with the above
>> link)
>> >
>> > What is your opinion on this? ....We normally keep most of the circuit
>> > breakers off in the house.    If the remote switch does disconnect
>> both
>> > the hot and neutral wires in the canopy room, there will still be some
>> > power in other parts of the house, if we are operating normally.  
>> Will
>> > whatever is carried on the neutral and ground wires in those parts of
>> > the house also be induced into the disconnected neutral and ground
>> wires
>> > in the canopy room just because they may physically near?
>> >
>> > Thanks again!
>> > Sue
>> > --- In [hidden email], Al Harding  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Sue,
>> > >
>> > > I'm elated for you! Thanks for sharing your results as there may be
>> > someone lurking that is having a terrible time and can't find
>> > relief.Â
>> > >
>> > > You may want to have an electrician install remote solid state
>> > switches. That way you could disconnect from your bedroom.Â
>> > >
>> > > Make sure that the shielded cable has metal braiding inside of the
>> > plastic housing. The stuff that they use for a cable box will do.
>> Also,
>> > test where the ground stake is located. Â An oscilloscope is
>> optimal
>> > to make sure it's a good ground and keep it away from your main power
>> > line.Â
>> > >
>> > > Al
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________
>> > >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
>> > > To: [hidden email]
>> > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:47 PM
>> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment - canopy heaven on 1
>> condition
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Â
>> > > Al,
>> > >
>> > > I've given a lot of thought to your comment about energy always
>> being
>> > present on the neutral wire.  We tried a new test - disconnected the
>> > power to the house at the main electrical panel, then also
>> disconnected
>> > the neutral wire at the load side so that the house neutral wires were
>> > no longer connected to the utility company's neutral and ground.
>> > >
>> > > Then I went inside the canopy to discover Canopy Heaven :) It felt
>> > sooooooo good to be in there! reminding me of being at a beach with no
>> > signals.    The need to get out of the canopy or of having had enough
>> > completely disappeared.   Just wonderful :)
>> > >
>> > > Of course, being without power and neutral isn't practical.   I wish
>> > there were a filter of some kind to block what is being transferred to
>> > the house neutral and ground wires when the neutral is connected up at
>> > the main panel.
>> > >
>> > > Anyhow, the good feeling in the canopy is enough to motivate me to
>> try
>> > the idea of the shielded cable connected to a ground rod outside.
>> > > I see that there are different kinds of shielding cable.   Do you
>> have
>> > a recommendation as to the kind of shielding cable?
>> > >
>> > > In the meantime, I've been having some success using the microwave
>> > absorbing material in our old electrical power free motorhome.   But
>> an
>> > occasional pulse does get through.     I think it's our neighbor's
>> smart
>> > meter pulses, judging by the looks and timing of them on the RF meter
>> > screen.  The canopy inside the house laughs at smart meter pulses
>> (they
>> > don't get through).
>> > >
>> > > Sue
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Sue,
>> > > >
>> > > > There is always energy on the neutral wire even when the breaker
>> is
>> > off. EMF will use energized wire to travel on. ÂÂ
>> > > >
>> > > > The best way to get a good ground is with a shielded cable,
>> situated
>> > away from the house wiring, attached to a properly installed grounding
>> > rod.ÂÂ
>> > > >
>> > > > Al
>> > > >
>> > > > ________________________________
>> > > >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
>> > > > To: [hidden email]
>> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:31 PM
>> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
>> > grounding
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > ÂÂ
>> > > > Hi Debbie,
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks for your comments :).  It sounds like what you are doing is
>> > succeeding so far.    A friend bought some microwave absorbing
>> material
>> > and put it under her hat and says it helps.   It is thin, has a fine
>> > coating of plastic and is quite thin and easy to shape.   When wearing
>> > shielding clothing, have you tried using an absorbing material rather
>> > than fabrics that shield by reflecting EMF's away?  Just curious if
>> you
>> > notice any difference between reflective and aborbing material.
>> > > >
>> > > > Also, if it's not too much trouble, can you please give some
>> details
>> > about the bad EMF's you got from your grounding system?   Thanks if
>> you
>> > can :).
>> > > >
>> > > > I think you are right about about many of us having bacteria and
>> > pathogens we may not know about, that EMF's can help them thrive in
>> our
>> > bodies, and that their dying off can create symptoms.   This is the
>> > first I've heard about Candida living under the skin!  Interesting.
>> :)
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't think the skin sensations I'm experiencing fits in the
>> > die-off scenario though, because the skin sensations are only
>> happening
>> > when there is electrical power in the wires inside the walls of the
>> > canopy room and I am inside the canopy.   When there is no electrical
>> > power in the wires, and I am in the canopy, there is no odd skin
>> > sensation at all.     I'm highly sensitive to ELF's.   Suspect they
>> > somehow get picked up from the energized wires in the walls and
>> > broadcasted in some way inside the canopy, regardless of the ground.
>> > > >
>> > > > Sue
>> > > >
>> > > > --- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@ wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > hi Sue, I've been experimenting with wearing shielded garments
>> etc
>> > for
>> > > > > 2 years and totally relate to the skin burning and feeling like
>> > I've
>> > > > > had enough at times--though it seems to have all the same good
>> > effects
>> > > > > that you mentioned!  body relaxing, etc!  What I think is
>> > happening is
>> > > > > the most of us have more bacteria, and pathogens in our body
>> than
>> > we
>> > > > > realize, and they are assisted by bad EMF's, when that is gone,
>> > they
>> > > > > start to die, and its a known fact, like with candida die off,
>> > when
>> > > > > they do they let off even more toxins when alive, and they often
>> > live
>> > > > > under the skin...so I use it off and on, and think it aids my
>> > body....
>> > > > >
>> > > > > but I have gotten bad emf's from my grounding system in my house
>> > too...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: ob4567
>> > > > > To: eSens [hidden email]
>> > > > > Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:09 pm
>> > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
>> > > > > grounding
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ
>> > > > > Turned all power off to our house at the utility box located on
>> > the
>> > > > > outside of the house wall,  then went inside the canopy.  The
>> skin
>> > > > > sensitivity and stinging sensation disappeared.  The newly
>> > increased
>> > > > > tinnitus decreased while inside the canopy! A total surprise.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Here's the question - disconnected the ground to see what would
>> > happen.
>> > > > >   Instantly could not stand being in the canopy, so reconnected
>> it
>> > > > > immediately.  Any thoughts about what is being grounded?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I thought the ground was for the 60hz electrical fields because
>> > these
>> > > > > metallic shielding fabrics amplify them, but the canopy appears
>> to
>> > > > > still be picking up a charge of some kind with the electrical
>> > power
>> > > > > turned off.  I wasn't aware of RF fields creating a charge too,
>> > but I
>> > > > > guess it makes sense, if that is the case.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like
>> it
>> > "had
>> > > > > enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need
>> > to get
>> > > > > out.  Later,  a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same
>> > thing
>> > > > > happened again for me.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I doubt this need to get out of the grounded canopy has anything
>> > to do
>> > > > > with my body missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a
>> > > > > natural setting with no signals for a couple of nights and it
>> felt
>> > > > > wonderful!   Something about being inside the canopy is still
>> not
>> > right
>> > > > > for my body.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --- In [hidden email], "ob4567" sueandgerry@ wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Hi Marc,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.
>> :)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to
>> > determine
>> > > > > if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or
>> if
>> > I
>> > > > > need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.
>> > (Trying to
>> > > > > avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so
>> there
>> > is
>> > > > > lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB
>> from
>> > well
>> > > > > below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to
>> earth
>> > > > > ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the
>> > room
>> > > > > and the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms
>> > > > > resistence between the canopy and the mat.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the
>> canopy
>> > > > > it registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi
>> > signals.
>> > > > >     The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably
>> > less
>> > > > > inside the canopy than other places in the house.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am
>> > > > > outside of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when
>> they
>> > were
>> > > > > inside of it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show
>> > great
>> > > > > results.    when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I
>> > feel
>> > > > > like my body has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't
>> > last,
>> > > > > but still great news.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a
>> lot
>> > > > > of my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for
>> > awhile,
>> > > > > my skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5
>> > > > > minutes after I am outside of the canopy.
>> > > > > > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
>> > > > > shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation
>> change
>> > is
>> > > > > almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large
>> canopy
>> > to be
>> > > > > as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in
>> > it, I
>> > > > > awoke with increased tinnitus.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I
>> was
>> > > > > out,  my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly
>> > loud
>> > > > > noise.  The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for
>> the
>> > > > > increase in ringing.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the
>> > use
>> > > > > of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an
>> > "orgon
>> > > > > box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the
>> canopy
>> > and
>> > > > > bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and
>> they
>> > > > > dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
>> > > > > reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can
>> > build
>> > > > > up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of
>> > EMF's.
>> > > > > I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't
>> sleep
>> > in
>> > > > > it lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Moving on :)
>> > > > > > Sue
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> On July 31, torch369 <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I decided to try their products out and decided to start with these.
>> I don't have a wireless router but they suggested that it's actually
>> better to have a wireless router with the Omega wi-fi attached to
>> protect against outside wi-fi then to not have wireless at all.
>
> Uhhh, I have Earthcalm products, but I have to say... that advice
> they gave you sounds crazy to me.
>
> Marc
>
>

> ditto.  
> sounds totally weird to me.  
> love, patricia
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Marc Martin wrote:
>
> > On July 31, torch369 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> I decided to try their products out and decided to start with these.
> >> I don't have a wireless router but they suggested that it's actually
> >> better to have a wireless router with the Omega wi-fi attached to
> >> protect against outside wi-fi then to not have wireless at all.
> >
> > Uhhh, I have Earthcalm products, but I have to say... that advice
> > they gave you sounds crazy to me.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>

>
> Hi Sue,
>  
>  It's always good too have extra water around for emergencies sake anyway.....Yes, stack them as high as they will stand. Perimeter walls are ideal because once the energy is absorbed it can't go anywhere. Bushes are great for outside the bedroom walls. Oleanders hold quite a bit of water in their leaves and are very resilient, although I have seen them die around a smart meter. Actually nothing leafy will survive in close proximity to one.
>   
> Have you grounded the motor home? 
>
> Al
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:47 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
>  
>
>
>  
>
> Hi Al,
>
> Yeah I can imagine most people don't want to stacked cases of water against their bedroom wall lol.
>
> I'm considering trying the water case idea in the motorhome just to see how it feels...There is an overhead area in the front where a bed used to be.  It has a wide front window and two long side windows already covered with microwave absorbing material.   If putting cases in front of them makes a difference, there is a good chance I'll feel it.
>
> When you use water cases, are they stacked only 1 case deep for as high as you stack them?
>
> Sue
>
> >
> >  I just found this in my spam box. You need to use more than one case. Stacked cases of water will absorb and block high frequency RF.  I have been able to use this for temporary and long term situations. Most people don't want to see a wall of stacked cases of water in their bedrooms. 
> > Al
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:04 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> > Hi Al,
> >
> > Sorry not to get back sooner - I'm not using the computer much due to EHS.
> >
> > Regarding my test on the case of water... I found it wasn't a good one.  As it turns out, my reading depended how low to the garage floor I held the meter.   I did the same test in the same low location when the case of water was removed, and the reading was the same!   Ha!  A scientist I'll never make lol.
> >
> > I put off the water idea and have been meaning to get to you.  I know you definitely feel better with the cases of water stacked up.  Have you measured with your RF meter to see the difference in RF between before and after you put cases of water up?
> >
> > Sue
> >
> > [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sue,
> > >
> > > Were you able to experiment with more water? Placing walls of water around the bedroom along with turning the power off will reduce the smart meter emissions greatly. 
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@>
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 9:27 PM
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > > We happened to have an unopened case of 16-oz bottles in the garage, so I whipped out my Cornet 85EDXS RF meter to check it out.      Very interesting.   Ordinarily, the meter picks up wifi, smart meters and cell phone tower signals throughout the garage.    When pointing its antenna directly at the case of water with a tiny space between them,  the meter didn't register any RF, aside from intermittent neighborhood smart meter pulses.      And the smart meter pulsing amplitude was cut in half.   Not bad!
> > >
> > > Sue
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "ob4567" <sueandgerry@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It depends on the where the propagating source is coming from. I use a Gigahertz Solutions 38B to detect direction. If you don't have one just stack them around your bed at least three feet higher than your head.
> > > > >
> > > > > It will be just like playing "fort" again, like when we were kids..........
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hahahaha.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >  From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@>
> > > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:11 PM
> > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm impressed with the simplicity of this.  So you stick the cases all the way to ceiling?
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----------------------------
> > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Lynn,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
> > > > > > >> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Yes,   it sounds like the microwave absorbing quality of water  could
> > > > > > >possibly make it be a good insulator.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
> > > > > > >> such as mat or canopy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I'll give this some thought.   (I'm kinda chicken right now to try
> > > > > > >another experiement, cluck cluck lol.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
> > > > > > >> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >No.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent
> > > > > > >naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/>   for a few years.
> > > > > > >This guy has helped me so much!    I used to be pretty couch-bound
> > > > > > >during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently.
> > > > > > >If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the
> > > > > > >precautions I must take because of ES, etc.,  I'd think I was one of
> > > > > > >healthiest people alive because I feel so good :).     So much of this
> > > > > > >is because of his program and the information he provides.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >And while his program cannot stop the effects of wireless technology, it
> > > > > > >can locate and and provide support to organs and tissues that need
> > > > > > >support.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Good luck if you decide to try homeopathy!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Sue
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Good luck if you decide to try it! :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Sue
> > > > > > >--- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@"  wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
> > > > > > >> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
> > > > > > >> such as mat or canopy.
> > > > > > >> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
> > > > > > >> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
> > > > > > >> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Lynn D
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Sue,
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I apologize for intruding.ÃÆ'Æ'‚
> > > > > > >> > Have you tried stacking cases of water against walls where the high
> > > > > > >measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of
> > > > > > >water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I
> > > > > > >have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Al
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > ________________________________
> > > > > > >> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> > > > > > >> > To: [hidden email]
> > > > > > >> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:17 PM
> > > > > > >> > Subject: [eSens] Canopy experiment
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > ÃÆ'Æ'‚
> > > > > > >> > Hi Marc,
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine
> > > > > > >if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
> > > > > > >need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
> > > > > > >avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
> > > > > > >lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
> > > > > > >below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
> > > > > > >ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and
> > > > > > >the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence
> > > > > > >between the canopy and the mat.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it
> > > > > > >registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.
> > > > > > >The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside
> > > > > > >the canopy than other places in the house.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside
> > > > > > >of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of
> > > > > > >it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results.
> > > > > > >when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body
> > > > > > >has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still
> > > > > > >great news.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of
> > > > > > >my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my
> > > > > > >skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes
> > > > > > >after I am outside of the canopy.
> > > > > > >> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
> > > > > > >shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
> > > > > > >almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be
> > > > > > >as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I
> > > > > > >awoke with increased tinnitus.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,
> > > > > > >my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.
> > > > > > >The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in
> > > > > > >ringing.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use
> > > > > > >of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon
> > > > > > >box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and
> > > > > > >bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
> > > > > > >dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
> > > > > > >reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build
> > > > > > >up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.
> > > > > > >I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it
> > > > > > >lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Moving on :)
> > > > > > >> > Sue
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> On July 31, torch369 <torch369@...> wrote:
> > I decided to try their products out and decided to start with these.
> > I don't have a wireless router but they suggested that it's actually
> > better to have a wireless router with the Omega wi-fi attached to
> > protect against outside wi-fi then to not have wireless at all.
>
> Uhhh, I have Earthcalm products, but I have to say... that advice
> they gave you sounds crazy to me.
>
> Marc
>

>
> Although it *is* true that 100% of my wi-fi exposure at home is
> from my neighbors.  So taking action to protect against it
> makes sense.  I'm just not convinced that fighting wi-fi with
> more wi-fi is a good strategy... especially since the Earthcalm
> wireless protection devices I've tried in the past seem pretty
> weak.
>
> Marc
>
> On July 31, Patricia Robinett <patricia@...> wrote:
> > ditto.  
> > sounds totally weird to me.  
> > love, patricia
> >
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Marc Martin wrote:
> >
> > > On July 31, torch369 <torch369@...> wrote:
> > >> I decided to try their products out and decided to start with these.
> > >> I don't have a wireless router but they suggested that it's actually
> > >> better to have a wireless router with the Omega wi-fi attached to
> > >> protect against outside wi-fi then to not have wireless at all.
> > >
> > > Uhhh, I have Earthcalm products, but I have to say... that advice
> > > they gave you sounds crazy to me.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>