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Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!

Hud J O Ramelan
Hey, maybe one could get one or more inflatable rafts like for playing in the water and fill it with water instead of air.  One could sleep with that below and possibly on the sides!  Weirder things have happened!  And then it would really be 'fort' time again.  8>P

 

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  Hud
_________________________________________________________
nam tua res agitur, paries cum proximus ardet
You too are in danger when your neighbor's house is on fire (Horace)




>________________________________
> From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
>To: [hidden email]
>Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 12:55:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
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>I am on the third floor of an apartment building.  If I piled bottles of water up against the walls, the weight might cave the floor in and then I would get sued.
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>C. Johnson
>[hidden email]
>Wireless Refugee
>
>--- On Wed, 7/3/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
>Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
>To: [hidden email]
>Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 4:45 PM
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>You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner. 
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>On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:
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>>Yes,   it sounds like the microwave absorbing quality of water  could
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>>possibly make it be a good insulator.
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>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
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>>> such as mat or canopy.
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>>I'll give this some thought.   (I'm kinda chicken right now to try
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>>another experiement, cluck cluck lol.)
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>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
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>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
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>>No.
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>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
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>>re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent
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>>naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/>   for a few years.
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>>This guy has helped me so much!    I used to be pretty couch-bound
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>>during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently. 
>
>>If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the
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>>precautions I must take because of ES, etc.,  I'd think I was one of
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>>healthiest people alive because I feel so good :).     So much of this
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>>is because of his program and the information he provides.
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>>And while his program cannot stop the effects of wireless technology, it
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>>can locate and and provide support to organs and tissues that need
>
>>support.
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>>Good luck if you decide to try homeopathy!
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>>Sue
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>>Good luck if you decide to try it! :)
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>>Sue
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>>--- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@..."  wrote:
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>>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
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>>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
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>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
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>>> such as mat or canopy.
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>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
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>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
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>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
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>>> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:
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>>> > Sue,
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>>> > I apologize for intruding.Â
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>>> > Have you tried stacking cases of water against walls where the high
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>>measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of
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>>water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I
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>>have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.
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>>> >
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>>> > Al
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>>> > ________________________________
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>>> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
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>>> > To: [hidden email]
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>>> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:17 PM
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>>if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
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>>need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
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>>avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
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>>lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
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>>below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
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>>ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and
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>>the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence
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>>between the canopy and the mat.
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>>> >
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>>> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it
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>>registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.   
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>>The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside
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>>the canopy than other places in the house.
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>>> >
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>>> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside
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>>of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of
>
>>it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results. 
>
>>when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body
>
>>has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still
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>>great news.
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>>> >
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>>> > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of
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>>my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my
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>>skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes
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>>after I am outside of the canopy.
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>>> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
>
>>shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
>
>>almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be
>
>>as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I
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>>awoke with increased tinnitus.
>
>>> >
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>>> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,
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>>my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.
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>>The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in
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>>ringing.
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>>> >
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>>> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use
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>>of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon
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>>box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and
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>>bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
>
>>dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
>
>>reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build
>
>>up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's. 
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>>I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it
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>>lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
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>>> >
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>>> > Moving on :)
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>>> > Sue
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Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!

sleepbiology
The ultimate would be bubble wrap with each individual bubble filled with water instead of air. It could be placed behind paintings or furniture. 


________________________________
 From: H J R <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
 


 
Hey, maybe one could get one or more inflatable rafts like for playing in the water and fill it with water instead of air.  One could sleep with that below and possibly on the sides!  Weirder things have happened!  And then it would really be 'fort' time again.  8>P

 

  ~=~
  Hud
_________________________________________________________
nam tua res agitur, paries cum proximus ardet
You too are in danger when your neighbor's house is on fire (Horace)

>________________________________
> From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
>To: [hidden email]
>Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 12:55:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
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>I am on the third floor of an apartment building.  If I piled bottles of water up against the walls, the weight might cave the floor in and then I would get sued.
>
>C. Johnson
>[hidden email]
>Wireless Refugee
>
>--- On Wed, 7/3/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
>Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
>To: [hidden email]
>Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 4:45 PM
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>You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner. 
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>On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:
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>>
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>>Lynn,
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
>
>>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>Yes,   it sounds like the microwave absorbing quality of water  could
>
>>possibly make it be a good insulator.
>
>>
>
>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
>
>>> such as mat or canopy.
>
>>
>
>>I'll give this some thought.   (I'm kinda chicken right now to try
>
>>another experiement, cluck cluck lol.)
>
>>
>
>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
>
>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
>
>>
>
>>No.
>
>>
>
>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent
>
>>naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/>   for a few years.
>
>>This guy has helped me so much!    I used to be pretty couch-bound
>
>>during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently. 
>
>>If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the
>
>>precautions I must take because of ES, etc.,  I'd think I was one of
>
>>healthiest people alive because I feel so good :).     So much of this
>
>>is because of his program and the information he provides.
>
>>
>
>>And while his program cannot stop the effects of wireless technology, it
>
>>can locate and and provide support to organs and tissues that need
>
>>support.
>
>>
>
>>Good luck if you decide to try homeopathy!
>
>>
>
>>Sue
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>Good luck if you decide to try it! :)
>
>>
>
>>Sue
>
>>--- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@..."  wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
>
>>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
>
>>>
>
>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
>
>>> such as mat or canopy.
>
>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
>
>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
>
>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
>
>>>
>
>>> Lynn D
>
>>>
>
>>> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:
>
>>> >
>
>>> > Sue,
>
>>> >
>
>>> > I apologize for intruding.Â
>
>>> > Have you tried stacking cases of water against walls where the high
>
>>measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of
>
>>water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I
>
>>have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.
>
>>> >
>
>>> > Al
>
>>> >
>
>>> > ________________________________
>
>>> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
>
>>> > To: [hidden email]
>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:17 PM
>
>>> > Subject: [eSens] Canopy experiment
>
>>> >
>
>>> >
>
>>> >
>
>>> > Â
>
>>> > Hi Marc,
>
>>> >
>
>>> > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
>
>>> >
>
>>> > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine
>
>>if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
>
>>need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
>
>>avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
>
>>lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
>
>>below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
>
>>ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and
>
>>the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence
>
>>between the canopy and the mat.
>
>>> >
>
>>> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it
>
>>registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.   
>
>>The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside
>
>>the canopy than other places in the house.
>
>>> >
>
>>> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside
>
>>of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of
>
>>it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results. 
>
>>when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body
>
>>has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still
>
>>great news.
>
>>> >
>
>>> > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of
>
>>my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my
>
>>skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes
>
>>after I am outside of the canopy.
>
>>> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
>
>>shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
>
>>almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be
>
>>as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I
>
>>awoke with increased tinnitus.
>
>>> >
>
>>> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,
>
>>my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.
>
>>The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in
>
>>ringing.
>
>>> >
>
>>> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use
>
>>of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon
>
>>box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and
>
>>bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
>
>>dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
>
>>reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build
>
>>up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's. 
>
>>I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it
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>>lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
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>>> >
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>>> > Moving on :)
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>>> > Sue
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Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!

Patricia
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remember water beds?
would a water bed be helpful under us?
love, patricia


On Jul 4, 2013, at 12:54 AM, H J R wrote:

> Hey, maybe one could get one or more inflatable rafts like for playing in the water and fill it with water instead of air.  One could sleep with that below and possibly on the sides!  Weirder things have happened!  And then it would really be 'fort' time again.  8>P


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Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!

sleepbiology
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I suppose it would work, though I've never tried. Simply use a battery operated am radio tuned to 530KHz as a detector. If there is noise other than static you will have a problem. I would like to know if anyone out there has a waterbed to try this experiment.
Thanks
Al


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On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 9:58 AM PDT Patricia Robinett wrote:

>remember water beds?
>would a water bed be helpful under us?
>love, patricia
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>On Jul 4, 2013, at 12:54 AM, H J R wrote:
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>> Hey, maybe one could get one or more inflatable rafts like for playing in the water and fill it with water instead of air.  One could sleep with that below and possibly on the sides!  Weirder things have happened!  And then it would really be 'fort' time again.  8>P
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Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!

C.a.b. Johnson
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You said that the more water the better.  So the question I have is, how much is the minimum thickness of water you want to block the microwaves?  1 inch, 2 inches, 1 foot, 2 feet?  What is the ideal thickness of water you want to have?

C. Johnson
[hidden email]
Wireless Refugee



--- On Thu, 7/4/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013, 6:26 AM
















 



 


   
     
     
      The ultimate would be bubble wrap with each individual bubble filled with water instead of air. It could be placed behind paintings or furniture. 



________________________________

 From: H J R <[hidden email]>

To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>

Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:54 PM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!

 



 

Hey, maybe one could get one or more inflatable rafts like for playing in the water and fill it with water instead of air.  One could sleep with that below and possibly on the sides!  Weirder things have happened!  And then it would really be 'fort' time again.  8>P



 



  ~=~

  Hud

_________________________________________________________

nam tua res agitur, paries cum proximus ardet

You too are in danger when your neighbor's house is on fire (Horace)



>________________________________

> From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>

>To: [hidden email]

>Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 12:55:50 AM

>Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment

>

>

>I am on the third floor of an apartment building.  If I piled bottles of water up against the walls, the weight might cave the floor in and then I would get sued.

>

>C. Johnson

>[hidden email]

>Wireless Refugee

>

>--- On Wed, 7/3/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:

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>From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>

>Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment

>To: [hidden email]

>Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 4:45 PM

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>You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner. 

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>On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:

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>>Lynn,

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>>

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>>>

>

>>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.

>

>>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>Yes,   it sounds like the microwave absorbing quality of water  could

>

>>possibly make it be a good insulator.

>

>>

>

>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.

>

>>> such as mat or canopy.

>

>>

>

>>I'll give this some thought.   (I'm kinda chicken right now to try

>

>>another experiement, cluck cluck lol.)

>

>>

>

>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.

>

>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?

>

>>

>

>>No.

>

>>

>

>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent

>

>>naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/>   for a few years.

>

>>This guy has helped me so much!    I used to be pretty couch-bound

>

>>during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently. 

>

>>If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the

>

>>precautions I must take because of ES, etc.,  I'd think I was one of

>

>>healthiest people alive because I feel so good :).     So much of this

>

>>is because of his program and the information he provides.

>

>>

>

>>And while his program cannot stop the effects of wireless technology, it

>

>>can locate and and provide support to organs and tissues that need

>

>>support.

>

>>

>

>>Good luck if you decide to try homeopathy!

>

>>

>

>>Sue

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>Good luck if you decide to try it! :)

>

>>

>

>>Sue

>

>>--- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@..."  wrote:

>

>>>

>

>>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.

>

>>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.

>

>>>

>

>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.

>

>>> such as mat or canopy.

>

>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.

>

>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?

>

>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.

>

>>>

>

>>> Lynn D

>

>>>

>

>>> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:

>

>>> >

>

>>> > Sue,

>

>>> >

>

>>> > I apologize for intruding.Â

>

>>> > Have you tried stacking cases of water against walls where the high

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>>measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of

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>>water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I

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>>have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.

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>>> >

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>>> > Al

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>>> > ________________________________

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>>> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@

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>>> > To: [hidden email]

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>>> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:17 PM

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>>> > Subject: [eSens] Canopy experiment

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>>need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to

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>>avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is

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>>lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well

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>>below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth

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>>ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and

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>>the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence

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>>between the canopy and the mat.

>

>>> >

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>>> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it

>

>>registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.   

>

>>The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside

>

>>the canopy than other places in the house.

>

>>> >

>

>>> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside

>

>>of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of

>

>>it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results. 

>

>>when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body

>

>>has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still

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>>great news.

>

>>> >

>

>>> > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of

>

>>my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my

>

>>skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes

>

>>after I am outside of the canopy.

>

>>> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF

>

>>shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is

>

>>almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be

>

>>as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I

>

>>awoke with increased tinnitus.

>

>>> >

>

>>> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,

>

>>my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.

>

>>The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in

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>>ringing.

>

>>> >

>

>>> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use

>

>>of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon

>

>>box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and

>

>>bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they

>

>>dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be

>

>>reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build

>

>>up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's. 

>

>>I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it

>

>>lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.

>

>>> >

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>>> > Moving on :)

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>>> > Sue

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Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!

sleepbiology
I apologize for the confusion.  I use cases of water because they are readily available and easy to stack. There is however space between the bottles at the neck but not much. The more water the better statement concerned linear feet coverage opposed to density. It all depends on the proximity and power of the propagating source. 

 Most of us are just trying to block a cell tower, neighbors WiFi router, or cordless phone base station. Placing two sheets together making sure to fill any free space would be sufficient. 


________________________________
 From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
 


 
You said that the more water the better.  So the question I have is, how much is the minimum thickness of water you want to block the microwaves?  1 inch, 2 inches, 1 foot, 2 feet?  What is the ideal thickness of water you want to have?

C. Johnson
[hidden email]
Wireless Refugee

--- On Thu, 7/4/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013, 6:26 AM

 

The ultimate would be bubble wrap with each individual bubble filled with water instead of air. It could be placed behind paintings or furniture. 

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From: H J R <[hidden email]>

To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>

Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:54 PM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!

 

Hey, maybe one could get one or more inflatable rafts like for playing in the water and fill it with water instead of air.  One could sleep with that below and possibly on the sides!  Weirder things have happened!  And then it would really be 'fort' time again.  8>P

 

  ~=~

  Hud

_________________________________________________________

nam tua res agitur, paries cum proximus ardet

You too are in danger when your neighbor's house is on fire (Horace)

>________________________________

> From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>

>To: [hidden email]

>Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 12:55:50 AM

>Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment

>

>

>I am on the third floor of an apartment building.  If I piled bottles of water up against the walls, the weight might cave the floor in and then I would get sued.

>

>C. Johnson

>[hidden email]

>Wireless Refugee

>

>--- On Wed, 7/3/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:

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>From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>

>Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment

>To: [hidden email]

>Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 4:45 PM

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>You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner. 

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>On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:

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>>Lynn,

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>>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.

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>>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.

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>>>

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>>Yes,   it sounds like the microwave absorbing quality of water  could

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>>possibly make it be a good insulator.

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>>

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>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.

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>>> such as mat or canopy.

>

>>

>

>>I'll give this some thought.   (I'm kinda chicken right now to try

>

>>another experiement, cluck cluck lol.)

>

>>

>

>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.

>

>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?

>

>>

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>>No.

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>>

>

>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.

>

>>>

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>>

>

>>re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent

>

>>naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/>   for a few years.

>

>>This guy has helped me so much!    I used to be pretty couch-bound

>

>>during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently. 

>

>>If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the

>

>>precautions I must take because of ES, etc.,  I'd think I was one of

>

>>healthiest people alive because I feel so good :).     So much of this

>

>>is because of his program and the information he provides.

>

>>

>

>>And while his program cannot stop the effects of wireless technology, it

>

>>can locate and and provide support to organs and tissues that need

>

>>support.

>

>>

>

>>Good luck if you decide to try homeopathy!

>

>>

>

>>Sue

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>>

>

>>

>

>>Good luck if you decide to try it! :)

>

>>

>

>>Sue

>

>>--- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@..."  wrote:

>

>>>

>

>>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.

>

>>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.

>

>>>

>

>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.

>

>>> such as mat or canopy.

>

>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.

>

>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?

>

>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.

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>>>

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>>> Lynn D

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>>> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:

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>>> > Sue,

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>>> >

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>>> > I apologize for intruding.Â

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>>> > Have you tried stacking cases of water against walls where the high

>

>>measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of

>

>>water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I

>

>>have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.

>

>>> >

>

>>> > Al

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>>> >

>

>>> > ________________________________

>

>>> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@

>

>>> > To: [hidden email]

>

>>> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:17 PM

>

>>> > Subject: [eSens] Canopy experiment

>

>>> >

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>>> >

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>>> >

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>>> > Â

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>>> > Hi Marc,

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>>> >

>

>>> > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)

>

>>> >

>

>>> > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine

>

>>if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I

>

>>need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to

>

>>avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is

>

>>lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well

>

>>below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth

>

>>ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and

>

>>the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence

>

>>between the canopy and the mat.

>

>>> >

>

>>> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it

>

>>registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.   

>

>>The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside

>

>>the canopy than other places in the house.

>

>>> >

>

>>> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside

>

>>of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of

>

>>it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results. 

>

>>when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body

>

>>has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still

>

>>great news.

>

>>> >

>

>>> > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of

>

>>my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my

>

>>skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes

>

>>after I am outside of the canopy.

>

>>> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF

>

>>shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is

>

>>almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be

>

>>as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I

>

>>awoke with increased tinnitus.

>

>>> >

>

>>> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,

>

>>my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.

>

>>The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in

>

>>ringing.

>

>>> >

>

>>> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use

>

>>of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon

>

>>box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and

>

>>bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they

>

>>dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be

>

>>reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build

>

>>up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's. 

>

>>I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it

>

>>lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.

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>>> >

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>>> > Moving on :)

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>>> > Sue

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Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!

Patricia
al, hi!  
please forgive me my anal-ness,
but would you be willing to share what kind
of cases of water you use?  gallon jugs?  
pints, quarts?  single layer, double layer?  
brand, size, etc.  do you get them at a
certain store, such as at home depot or at
a grocery store?  and so on and so forth.
it's easier to get ideas from friends than to
reinvent the wheel.  thank you!!!  
love, patricia


On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Al Harding wrote:

> I apologize for the confusion.  I use cases of water because they are readily available and easy to stack. There is however space between the bottles at the neck but not much. The more water the better statement concerned linear feet coverage opposed to density. It all depends on the proximity and power of the propagating source.
>
>  Most of us are just trying to block a cell tower, neighbors WiFi router, or cordless phone base station. Placing two sheets together making sure to fill any free space would be sufficient.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 12:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
>
>
>
>  
> You said that the more water the better.  So the question I have is, how much is the minimum thickness of water you want to block the microwaves?  1 inch, 2 inches, 1 foot, 2 feet?  What is the ideal thickness of water you want to have?
>
> C. Johnson
> [hidden email]
> Wireless Refugee
>
> --- On Thu, 7/4/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013, 6:26 AM
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>  
>
> The ultimate would be bubble wrap with each individual bubble filled with water instead of air. It could be placed behind paintings or furniture.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: H J R <[hidden email]>
>
> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:54 PM
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
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>  
>
> Hey, maybe one could get one or more inflatable rafts like for playing in the water and fill it with water instead of air.  One could sleep with that below and possibly on the sides!  Weirder things have happened!  And then it would really be 'fort' time again.  8>P
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> _________________________________________________________
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> nam tua res agitur, paries cum proximus ardet
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> You too are in danger when your neighbor's house is on fire (Horace)
>
>> ________________________________
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>> From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
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>> To: [hidden email]
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>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 12:55:50 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
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>> --- On Wed, 7/3/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:
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>>>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
>
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>>>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
>
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>>>
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>>> Yes,   it sounds like the microwave absorbing quality of water  could
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>>> possibly make it be a good insulator.
>
>>
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>>>
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>>
>
>>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
>
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>>>> such as mat or canopy.
>
>>
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>>>
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>>
>
>>> I'll give this some thought.   (I'm kinda chicken right now to try
>
>>
>
>>> another experiement, cluck cluck lol.)
>
>>
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>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
>
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>
>>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
>
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>>>
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>>> No.
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>>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
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>>>
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>>> re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent
>
>>
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>>> naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/>   for a few years.
>
>>
>
>>> This guy has helped me so much!    I used to be pretty couch-bound
>
>>
>
>>> during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently.  
>
>>
>
>>> If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the
>
>>
>
>>> precautions I must take because of ES, etc.,  I'd think I was one of
>
>>
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>>> healthiest people alive because I feel so good :).     So much of this
>
>>
>
>>> is because of his program and the information he provides.
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>> And while his program cannot stop the effects of wireless technology, it
>
>>
>
>>> can locate and and provide support to organs and tissues that need
>
>>
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>>> support.
>
>>
>
>>>
>
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>>> Good luck if you decide to try homeopathy!
>
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>>>
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>>> --- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@..."  wrote:
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>>>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
>
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>>>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
>
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>>>>
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>>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
>
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>>>> such as mat or canopy.
>
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>>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
>
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>>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
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>>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
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>
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>
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>>> water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I
>
>>
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>>> have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.
>
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>>>>>
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>
>>>>> Al
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>>>>>
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>>
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>>>>> ________________________________
>
>>
>
>>>>>   From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
>
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>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>
>>
>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:17 PM
>
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>>>>> Subject: [eSens] Canopy experiment
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>
>>
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>>>>> Hi Marc,
>
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>>>>>
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>>
>
>>>>> I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
>
>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>>> I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine
>
>>
>
>>> if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
>
>>
>
>>> need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
>
>>
>
>>> avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
>
>>
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>>> lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
>
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Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!

sleepbiology
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Hi Patricia,

No worries! I have found that 32 pack generic bottled water with no cardboard support seems to fit the purpose quite well. I have stacked them 8 cases high. They seem to support the weight just fine. I personally use Fry's as they are on sale quite often. It's a good idea to have quite a bit of water on hand for emergencies anyway. If you find something else that works a little better please let me know.

Thanks,
Al
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On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 1:39 PM PDT Patricia Robinett wrote:

>al, hi!  
>please forgive me my anal-ness,
>but would you be willing to share what kind
>of cases of water you use?  gallon jugs?  
>pints, quarts?  single layer, double layer?  
>brand, size, etc.  do you get them at a
>certain store, such as at home depot or at
>a grocery store?  and so on and so forth.
>it's easier to get ideas from friends than to
>reinvent the wheel.  thank you!!!  
>love, patricia
>
>
>On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Al Harding wrote:
>
>> I apologize for the confusion.  I use cases of water because they are readily available and easy to stack. There is however space between the bottles at the neck but not much. The more water the better statement concerned linear feet coverage opposed to density. It all depends on the proximity and power of the propagating source.
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>>  Most of us are just trying to block a cell tower, neighbors WiFi router, or cordless phone base station. Placing two sheets together making sure to fill any free space would be sufficient.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 12:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
>>
>>
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>>  
>> You said that the more water the better.  So the question I have is, how much is the minimum thickness of water you want to block the microwaves?  1 inch, 2 inches, 1 foot, 2 feet?  What is the ideal thickness of water you want to have?
>>
>> C. Johnson
>> [hidden email]
>> Wireless Refugee
>>
>> --- On Thu, 7/4/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
>> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>> Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013, 6:26 AM
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>>  
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>> The ultimate would be bubble wrap with each individual bubble filled with water instead of air. It could be placed behind paintings or furniture.
>>
>> ________________________________
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>> From: H J R <[hidden email]>
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>> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
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>> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:54 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
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>> Hey, maybe one could get one or more inflatable rafts like for playing in the water and fill it with water instead of air.  One could sleep with that below and possibly on the sides!  Weirder things have happened!  And then it would really be 'fort' time again.  8>P
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>>   ~=~
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>>   Hud
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>> _________________________________________________________
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>> nam tua res agitur, paries cum proximus ardet
>>
>> You too are in danger when your neighbor's house is on fire (Horace)
>>
>> ________________________________
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>> From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
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>> To: [hidden email]
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>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 12:55:50 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
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>> I am on the third floor of an apartment building.  If I piled bottles of water up against the walls, the weight might cave the floor in and then I would get sued.
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>> C. Johnson
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>> [hidden email]
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>> Wireless Refugee
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>> --- On Wed, 7/3/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
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>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
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>> To: [hidden email]
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>> Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 4:45 PM
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>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:
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>>>>   From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
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>>> of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of
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>>> it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results.  
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>>> when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body
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>>> has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still
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>>> great news.
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>>>> Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of
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>>> my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my
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>>> skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes
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>>> after I am outside of the canopy.
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>>>> I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
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>>> shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
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>>> almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be
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Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!

Marc Martin
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On July  5, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:
> No worries! I have found that 32 pack generic bottled water with no cardboard
> support seems to fit the purpose quite well.

Presumably water bottles are cheaper and easier to get, but take up more
space than materials sold to absorb microwave radiation?

  http://www.djmelectronics.com/rf-absorber.html

Although I have no idea how effective these materials are, or if
they cause adverse side effects for people with ES (presumably
water bottles don't cause problems unless you have a problem
with all the plastic)

Marc
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Patricia
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thanks, al.
love, patricia


On Jul 5, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Al Harding wrote:

>
>
>
> Hi Patricia,
>
> No worries! I have found that 32 pack generic bottled water with no cardboard support seems to fit the purpose quite well. I have stacked them 8 cases high. They seem to support the weight just fine. I personally use Fry's as they are on sale quite often. It's a good idea to have quite a bit of water on hand for emergencies anyway. If you find something else that works a little better please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Al
> ------------------------------
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 1:39 PM PDT Patricia Robinett wrote:
>
>> al, hi!  
>> please forgive me my anal-ness,
>> but would you be willing to share what kind
>> of cases of water you use?  gallon jugs?  
>> pints, quarts?  single layer, double layer?  
>> brand, size, etc.  do you get them at a
>> certain store, such as at home depot or at
>> a grocery store?  and so on and so forth.
>> it's easier to get ideas from friends than to
>> reinvent the wheel.  thank you!!!  
>> love, patricia
>>
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Al Harding wrote:
>>
>>> I apologize for the confusion.  I use cases of water because they are readily available and easy to stack. There is however space between the bottles at the neck but not much. The more water the better statement concerned linear feet coverage opposed to density. It all depends on the proximity and power of the propagating source.
>>>
>>> Most of us are just trying to block a cell tower, neighbors WiFi router, or cordless phone base station. Placing two sheets together making sure to fill any free space would be sufficient.
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 12:18 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You said that the more water the better.  So the question I have is, how much is the minimum thickness of water you want to block the microwaves?  1 inch, 2 inches, 1 foot, 2 feet?  What is the ideal thickness of water you want to have?
>>>
>>> C. Johnson
>>> [hidden email]
>>> Wireless Refugee
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 7/4/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
>>> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>>> Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013, 6:26 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The ultimate would be bubble wrap with each individual bubble filled with water instead of air. It could be placed behind paintings or furniture.
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: H J R <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:54 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey, maybe one could get one or more inflatable rafts like for playing in the water and fill it with water instead of air.  One could sleep with that below and possibly on the sides!  Weirder things have happened!  And then it would really be 'fort' time again.  8>P
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  ~=~
>>>
>>>  Hud
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> nam tua res agitur, paries cum proximus ardet
>>>
>>> You too are in danger when your neighbor's house is on fire (Horace)
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 12:55:50 AM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am on the third floor of an apartment building.  If I piled bottles of water up against the walls, the weight might cave the floor in and then I would get sued.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> C. Johnson
>>>
>>> [hidden email]
>>>
>>> Wireless Refugee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 7/3/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
>>>
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>
>>> Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 4:45 PM
>>>
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>>> You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lynn,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes,   it sounds like the microwave absorbing quality of water  could
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> possibly make it be a good insulator.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> such as mat or canopy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'll give this some thought.   (I'm kinda chicken right now to try
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> another experiement, cluck cluck lol.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/>   for a few years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> This guy has helped me so much!    I used to be pretty couch-bound
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> precautions I must take because of ES, etc.,  I'd think I was one of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> healthiest people alive because I feel so good :).     So much of this
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> is because of his program and the information he provides.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> And while his program cannot stop the effects of wireless technology, it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> can locate and and provide support to organs and tissues that need
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> support.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good luck if you decide to try homeopathy!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good luck if you decide to try it! :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@..."  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> such as mat or canopy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lynn D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Sue,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I apologize for intruding.Â
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Have you tried stacking cases of water against walls where the high
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Al
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:17 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Subject: [eSens] Canopy experiment
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Â
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Hi Marc,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> between the canopy and the mat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.    
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> the canopy than other places in the house.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> great news.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> after I am outside of the canopy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> awoke with increased tinnitus.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ringing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it
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Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!

Patricia
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well, al, i don't see it on the web.  
can you please provide a link?  
thanks.  
love, patricia


On Jul 5, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Al Harding wrote:

>
>
>
> Hi Patricia,
>
> No worries! I have found that 32 pack generic bottled water with no cardboard support seems to fit the purpose quite well. I have stacked them 8 cases high. They seem to support the weight just fine. I personally use Fry's as they are on sale quite often. It's a good idea to have quite a bit of water on hand for emergencies anyway. If you find something else that works a little better please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Al
> ------------------------------
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 1:39 PM PDT Patricia Robinett wrote:
>
>> al, hi!  
>> please forgive me my anal-ness,
>> but would you be willing to share what kind
>> of cases of water you use?  gallon jugs?  
>> pints, quarts?  single layer, double layer?  
>> brand, size, etc.  do you get them at a
>> certain store, such as at home depot or at
>> a grocery store?  and so on and so forth.
>> it's easier to get ideas from friends than to
>> reinvent the wheel.  thank you!!!  
>> love, patricia
>>
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Al Harding wrote:
>>
>>> I apologize for the confusion.  I use cases of water because they are readily available and easy to stack. There is however space between the bottles at the neck but not much. The more water the better statement concerned linear feet coverage opposed to density. It all depends on the proximity and power of the propagating source.
>>>
>>> Most of us are just trying to block a cell tower, neighbors WiFi router, or cordless phone base station. Placing two sheets together making sure to fill any free space would be sufficient.
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 12:18 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You said that the more water the better.  So the question I have is, how much is the minimum thickness of water you want to block the microwaves?  1 inch, 2 inches, 1 foot, 2 feet?  What is the ideal thickness of water you want to have?
>>>
>>> C. Johnson
>>> [hidden email]
>>> Wireless Refugee
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 7/4/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
>>> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>>> Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013, 6:26 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The ultimate would be bubble wrap with each individual bubble filled with water instead of air. It could be placed behind paintings or furniture.
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: H J R <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:54 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey, maybe one could get one or more inflatable rafts like for playing in the water and fill it with water instead of air.  One could sleep with that below and possibly on the sides!  Weirder things have happened!  And then it would really be 'fort' time again.  8>P
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  ~=~
>>>
>>>  Hud
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> nam tua res agitur, paries cum proximus ardet
>>>
>>> You too are in danger when your neighbor's house is on fire (Horace)
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 12:55:50 AM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am on the third floor of an apartment building.  If I piled bottles of water up against the walls, the weight might cave the floor in and then I would get sued.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> C. Johnson
>>>
>>> [hidden email]
>>>
>>> Wireless Refugee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 7/3/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
>>>
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>
>>> Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 4:45 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lynn,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes,   it sounds like the microwave absorbing quality of water  could
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> possibly make it be a good insulator.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> such as mat or canopy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'll give this some thought.   (I'm kinda chicken right now to try
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> another experiement, cluck cluck lol.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/>   for a few years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> This guy has helped me so much!    I used to be pretty couch-bound
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> precautions I must take because of ES, etc.,  I'd think I was one of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> healthiest people alive because I feel so good :).     So much of this
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> is because of his program and the information he provides.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> And while his program cannot stop the effects of wireless technology, it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> can locate and and provide support to organs and tissues that need
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> support.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good luck if you decide to try homeopathy!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good luck if you decide to try it! :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@..."  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> such as mat or canopy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lynn D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Sue,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I apologize for intruding.Â
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Have you tried stacking cases of water against walls where the high
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Al
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:17 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Subject: [eSens] Canopy experiment
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Â
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Hi Marc,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> between the canopy and the mat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.    
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> the canopy than other places in the house.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> great news.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> after I am outside of the canopy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> awoke with increased tinnitus.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ringing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.  
>>>
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Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!

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I guess it's not a popular sale on the web? 16.9 oz bottles


http://www.socialgrocery.com/products/Frys/Purified-Water-32-Pack

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On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 2:33 PM PDT Patricia Robinett wrote:

>well, al, i don't see it on the web.  
>can you please provide a link?  
>thanks.  
>love, patricia
>
>
>On Jul 5, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Al Harding wrote:
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>>
>> Hi Patricia,
>>
>> No worries! I have found that 32 pack generic bottled water with no cardboard support seems to fit the purpose quite well. I have stacked them 8 cases high. They seem to support the weight just fine. I personally use Fry's as they are on sale quite often. It's a good idea to have quite a bit of water on hand for emergencies anyway. If you find something else that works a little better please let me know.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Al
>> ------------------------------
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 1:39 PM PDT Patricia Robinett wrote:
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>> al, hi!  
>> please forgive me my anal-ness,
>> but would you be willing to share what kind
>> of cases of water you use?  gallon jugs?  
>> pints, quarts?  single layer, double layer?  
>> brand, size, etc.  do you get them at a
>> certain store, such as at home depot or at
>> a grocery store?  and so on and so forth.
>> it's easier to get ideas from friends than to
>> reinvent the wheel.  thank you!!!  
>> love, patricia
>>
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Al Harding wrote:
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>>> I apologize for the confusion.  I use cases of water because they are readily available and easy to stack. There is however space between the bottles at the neck but not much. The more water the better statement concerned linear feet coverage opposed to density. It all depends on the proximity and power of the propagating source.
>>>
>>> Most of us are just trying to block a cell tower, neighbors WiFi router, or cordless phone base station. Placing two sheets together making sure to fill any free space would be sufficient.
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 12:18 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You said that the more water the better.  So the question I have is, how much is the minimum thickness of water you want to block the microwaves?  1 inch, 2 inches, 1 foot, 2 feet?  What is the ideal thickness of water you want to have?
>>>
>>> C. Johnson
>>> [hidden email]
>>> Wireless Refugee
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 7/4/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>> From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
>>> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>>> Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013, 6:26 AM
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>>> The ultimate would be bubble wrap with each individual bubble filled with water instead of air. It could be placed behind paintings or furniture.
>>>
>>> ________________________________
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>>> From: H J R <[hidden email]>
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>>> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
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>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:54 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!
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>>>
>>> Hey, maybe one could get one or more inflatable rafts like for playing in the water and fill it with water instead of air.  One could sleep with that below and possibly on the sides!  Weirder things have happened!  And then it would really be 'fort' time again.  8>P
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>>>  ~=~
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>>>  Hud
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>>> _________________________________________________________
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>>> nam tua res agitur, paries cum proximus ardet
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>>> You too are in danger when your neighbor's house is on fire (Horace)
>>>
>>> ________________________________
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>>> From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
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>>> To: [hidden email]
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>>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 12:55:50 AM
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>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
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>>> I am on the third floor of an apartment building.  If I piled bottles of water up against the walls, the weight might cave the floor in and then I would get sued.
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>>> C. Johnson
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>>> [hidden email]
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>>> Wireless Refugee
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>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 7/3/13, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>>
>>> From: Al Harding <[hidden email]>
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>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
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>>> To: [hidden email]
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>>> Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 4:45 PM
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>>> You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner.  
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>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:
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>>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
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>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
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>>> such as mat or canopy.
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>>> I'll give this some thought.   (I'm kinda chicken right now to try
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>>> another experiement, cluck cluck lol.)
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>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
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>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
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>>> No.
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>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
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>>> re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent
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>>> naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/>   for a few years.
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>>> This guy has helped me so much!    I used to be pretty couch-bound
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>>> during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently.  
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>>> If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the
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>>> healthiest people alive because I feel so good :).     So much of this
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>>> Sue
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>>> --- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@..."  wrote:
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>>> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
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>>> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
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>>> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
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>>> such as mat or canopy.
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>>> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
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>>> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
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>>> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
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>>> measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of
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>>> have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.
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>>>> Al
>>>
>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>> ________________________________
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>>>>  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> To: [hidden email]
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>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:17 PM
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>>>> Subject: [eSens] Canopy experiment
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>>>> I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
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>>>> I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine
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>>> if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
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>>> need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
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>>> avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
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>>> lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
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>>> below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
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>>> ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and
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>>> of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of
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>>> when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body
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>>> great news.
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Re: fill an inflatable 'raft'/mattress with water?!

Patricia
guess not.  :)
so, give me a hint...
is it 4 rows of 8 in a row?  
so you have 4 bottles between the wall and you?  
???  
ms.Exact-arian here.  

love, patricia


On Jul 5, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Al Harding wrote:

> I guess it's not a popular sale on the web? 16.9 oz bottles
>
>
> http://www.socialgrocery.com/products/Frys/Purified-Water-32-Pack
>
> -----------------------------
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 2:33 PM PDT Patricia Robinett wrote:
>
>> well, al, i don't see it on the web.  
>> can you please provide a link?  
>> thanks.  
>> love, patricia
>


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We happened to have an unopened case of 16-oz bottles in the garage, so I whipped out my Cornet 85EDXS RF meter to check it out.      Very interesting.   Ordinarily, the meter picks up wifi, smart meters and cell phone tower signals throughout the garage.    When pointing its antenna directly at the case of water with a tiny space between them,  the meter didn't register any RF, aside from intermittent neighborhood smart meter pulses.      And the smart meter pulsing amplitude was cut in half.   Not bad!

Sue  

--- In [hidden email], "ob4567" <sueandgerry@...> wrote:

>
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>
>
> >
> > It depends on the where the propagating source is coming from. I use a Gigahertz Solutions 38B to detect direction. If you don't have one just stack them around your bed at least three feet higher than your head.
> >
> > It will be just like playing "fort" again, like when we were kids..........
> >
>
> Hahahaha.
>
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:11 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment
> >  
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > You won't need to experiment as you are creating a natural environment. I have lived with cases of water on my walls for the last year. It works. It's truly amazing how much better I feel. No more naps in the middle of the day! I also shut the power off to the entire house, accept for the air conditioner.
> > >
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> > I'm impressed with the simplicity of this.  So you stick the cases all the way to ceiling?
> >
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> > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:56 AM PDT ob4567 wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Lynn,
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
> > > >> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Yes,   it sounds like the microwave absorbing quality of water  could
> > > >possibly make it be a good insulator.
> > > >
> > > >> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
> > > >> such as mat or canopy.
> > > >
> > > >I'll give this some thought.   (I'm kinda chicken right now to try
> > > >another experiement, cluck cluck lol.)
> > > >
> > > >> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
> > > >> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
> > > >
> > > >No.
> > > >
> > > >> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >re: homeopathy, I've been having appointments with an excellent
> > > >naturapath <http://www.thereesewellnesssystem.com/>   for a few years.
> > > >This guy has helped me so much!    I used to be pretty couch-bound
> > > >during the day from chronic fatigue and used to get sick frequently.
> > > >If I wasn't aware of the increased tinnitus that just happened and the
> > > >precautions I must take because of ES, etc.,  I'd think I was one of
> > > >healthiest people alive because I feel so good :).     So much of this
> > > >is because of his program and the information he provides.
> > > >
> > > >And while his program cannot stop the effects of wireless technology, it
> > > >can locate and and provide support to organs and tissues that need
> > > >support.
> > > >
> > > >Good luck if you decide to try homeopathy!
> > > >
> > > >Sue
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Good luck if you decide to try it! :)
> > > >
> > > >Sue
> > > >--- In [hidden email], "yarnspinner30@"  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I thought microwaves can get into water as thats how we heat it.
> > > >> But maybe it still would reduce and also insulate from heat/cold.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sue, when you next experiment, just remove 1 item or try 1 item.
> > > >> such as mat or canopy.
> > > >> do wonder if our bodies do go thru withdrawels when used to EMF's.
> > > >> When you wore shielding clothing, did at head cover work?
> > > >> wonder if homeopathy might help, I am considering that.
> > > >>
> > > >> Lynn D
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In [hidden email], Al Harding iprovedit@ wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Sue,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I apologize for intruding.Â
> > > >> > Have you tried stacking cases of water against walls where the high
> > > >measurements are coming from? Microwaves cannot penetrate cases of
> > > >water. Make sure to always turn the power off to most of your home. I
> > > >have found that energized wiring acts like an antenna for microwaves.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Al
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ________________________________
> > > >> >  From: ob4567 sueandgerry@
> > > >> > To: [hidden email]
> > > >> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:17 PM
> > > >> > Subject: [eSens] Canopy experiment
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Â
> > > >> > Hi Marc,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine
> > > >if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
> > > >need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
> > > >avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
> > > >lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
> > > >below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
> > > >ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and
> > > >the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence
> > > >between the canopy and the mat.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it
> > > >registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.
> > > >The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside
> > > >the canopy than other places in the house.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside
> > > >of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of
> > > >it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results.
> > > >when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body
> > > >has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still
> > > >great news.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of
> > > >my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my
> > > >skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes
> > > >after I am outside of the canopy.
> > > >> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
> > > >shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
> > > >almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be
> > > >as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I
> > > >awoke with increased tinnitus.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,
> > > >my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.
> > > >The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in
> > > >ringing.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use
> > > >of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon
> > > >box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and
> > > >bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
> > > >dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
> > > >reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build
> > > >up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.
> > > >I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it
> > > >lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Moving on :)
> > > >> > Sue
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>


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Turned all power off to our house at the utility box located on the outside of the house wall,  then went inside the canopy.  The skin sensitivity and stinging sensation disappeared.  The newly increased tinnitus decreased while inside the canopy! A total surprise.  

Here's the question - disconnected the ground to see what would happen.  Instantly could not stand being in the canopy, so reconnected it immediately.  Any thoughts about what is being grounded?

I thought the ground was for the 60hz electrical fields because these metallic shielding fabrics amplify them, but the canopy appears to still be picking up a charge of some kind with the electrical power turned off.  I wasn't aware of RF fields creating a charge too, but I guess it makes sense, if that is the case.  

Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like it "had enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need to get out.  Later,  a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same thing happened again for me.    

I doubt this need to get out of the grounded canopy has anything to do with my body missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a natural setting with no signals for a couple of nights and it felt wonderful!   Something about being inside the canopy is still not right for my body.  

--- In [hidden email], "ob4567" <sueandgerry@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Marc,
>
> I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
>
> I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room and the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms resistence between the canopy and the mat.    
>
> The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy it registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.     The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less inside the canopy than other places in the house.    
>
> Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am outside of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were inside of it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great results.    when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel like my body has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last, but still great news.
>
> Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot of my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile, my skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5 minutes after I am outside of the canopy.
> I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I awoke with increased tinnitus.
>
> Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was out,  my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud noise.  The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the increase in ringing.  
>
> I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.   I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in it lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
>
> Moving on :)
> Sue
>


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debbie4god39
hi Sue, I've been experimenting with wearing shielded garments etc for
2 years and totally relate to the skin burning and feeling like I've
had enough at times--though it seems to have all the same good effects
that you mentioned!  body relaxing, etc!  What I think is happening is
the most of us have more bacteria, and pathogens in our body than we
realize, and they are assisted by bad EMF's, when that is gone, they
start to die, and its a known fact, like with candida die off, when
they do they let off even more toxins when alive, and they often live
under the skin...so I use it off and on, and think it aids my body....

but I have gotten bad emf's from my grounding system in my house too...

-----Original Message-----
From: ob4567 <[hidden email]>
To: eSens <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:09 pm
Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
grounding

 
Turned all power off to our house at the utility box located on the
outside of the house wall,  then went inside the canopy.  The skin
sensitivity and stinging sensation disappeared.  The newly increased
tinnitus decreased while inside the canopy! A total surprise.

Here's the question - disconnected the ground to see what would happen.
  Instantly could not stand being in the canopy, so reconnected it
immediately.  Any thoughts about what is being grounded?

I thought the ground was for the 60hz electrical fields because these
metallic shielding fabrics amplify them, but the canopy appears to
still be picking up a charge of some kind with the electrical power
turned off.  I wasn't aware of RF fields creating a charge too, but I
guess it makes sense, if that is the case.

Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like it "had
enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need to get
out.  Later,  a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same thing
happened again for me.

I doubt this need to get out of the grounded canopy has anything to do
with my body missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a
natural setting with no signals for a couple of nights and it felt
wonderful!   Something about being inside the canopy is still not right
for my body.

--- In [hidden email], "ob4567" &lt;sueandgerry@...&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Hi Marc,
&gt;
&gt; I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
&gt;
&gt; I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine
if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room
and the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms
resistence between the canopy and the mat.
&gt;
&gt; The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy
it registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.  
    The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less
inside the canopy than other places in the house.
&gt;
&gt; Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am
outside of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were
inside of it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great
results.    when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel
like my body has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last,
but still great news.
&gt;
&gt; Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot
of my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile,
my skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5
minutes after I am outside of the canopy.
&gt; I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be
as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I
awoke with increased tinnitus.
&gt;
&gt; Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was
out,  my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud
noise.  The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the
increase in ringing.
&gt;
&gt; I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use
of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon
box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and
bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build
up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.  
I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in
it lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
&gt;
&gt; Moving on :)
&gt; Sue
&gt;


             




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Sue
Hi Debbie,

Thanks for your comments :).  It sounds like what you are doing is succeeding so far.    A friend bought some microwave absorbing material and put it under her hat and says it helps.   It is thin, has a fine coating of plastic and is quite thin and easy to shape.   When wearing shielding clothing, have you tried using an absorbing material rather than fabrics that shield by reflecting EMF's away?  Just curious if you notice any difference between reflective and aborbing material.  

Also, if it's not too much trouble, can you please give some details about the bad EMF's you got from your grounding system?   Thanks if you can :).  

I think you are right about about many of us having bacteria and pathogens we may not know about, that EMF's can help them thrive in our bodies, and that their dying off can create symptoms.   This is the first I've heard about Candida living under the skin!  Interesting.  :)    

I don't think the skin sensations I'm experiencing fits in the die-off scenario though, because the skin sensations are only happening when there is electrical power in the wires inside the walls of the canopy room and I am inside the canopy.   When there is no electrical power in the wires, and I am in the canopy, there is no odd skin sensation at all.     I'm highly sensitive to ELF's.   Suspect they somehow get picked up from the energized wires in the walls and broadcasted in some way inside the canopy, regardless of the ground.

Sue


--- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@... wrote:

>
> hi Sue, I've been experimenting with wearing shielded garments etc for
> 2 years and totally relate to the skin burning and feeling like I've
> had enough at times--though it seems to have all the same good effects
> that you mentioned!  body relaxing, etc!  What I think is happening is
> the most of us have more bacteria, and pathogens in our body than we
> realize, and they are assisted by bad EMF's, when that is gone, they
> start to die, and its a known fact, like with candida die off, when
> they do they let off even more toxins when alive, and they often live
> under the skin...so I use it off and on, and think it aids my body....
>
> but I have gotten bad emf's from my grounding system in my house too...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@...>
> To: eSens <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:09 pm
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
> grounding
>
>  
> Turned all power off to our house at the utility box located on the
> outside of the house wall,  then went inside the canopy.  The skin
> sensitivity and stinging sensation disappeared.  The newly increased
> tinnitus decreased while inside the canopy! A total surprise.
>
> Here's the question - disconnected the ground to see what would happen.
>   Instantly could not stand being in the canopy, so reconnected it
> immediately.  Any thoughts about what is being grounded?
>
> I thought the ground was for the 60hz electrical fields because these
> metallic shielding fabrics amplify them, but the canopy appears to
> still be picking up a charge of some kind with the electrical power
> turned off.  I wasn't aware of RF fields creating a charge too, but I
> guess it makes sense, if that is the case.
>
> Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like it "had
> enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need to get
> out.  Later,  a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same thing
> happened again for me.
>
> I doubt this need to get out of the grounded canopy has anything to do
> with my body missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a
> natural setting with no signals for a couple of nights and it felt
> wonderful!   Something about being inside the canopy is still not right
> for my body.
>
> --- In [hidden email], "ob4567" sueandgerry@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi Marc,
> >
> > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
> >
> > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine
> if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
> need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
> avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
> lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
> below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
> ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room
> and the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms
> resistence between the canopy and the mat.
> >
> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy
> it registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.  
>     The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less
> inside the canopy than other places in the house.
> >
> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am
> outside of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were
> inside of it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great
> results.    when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel
> like my body has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last,
> but still great news.
> >
> > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot
> of my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile,
> my skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5
> minutes after I am outside of the canopy.
> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
> shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
> almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be
> as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I
> awoke with increased tinnitus.
> >
> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was
> out,  my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud
> noise.  The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the
> increase in ringing.
> >
> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use
> of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon
> box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and
> bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
> dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
> reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build
> up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.  
> I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in
> it lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
> >
> > Moving on :)
> > Sue
> >
>


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sleepbiology
Sue,

There is always energy on the neutral wire even when the breaker is off. EMF will use energized wire to travel on.  

The best way to get a good ground is with a shielded cable, situated away from the house wiring, attached to a properly installed grounding rod. 

Al

________________________________
 From: ob4567 <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:31 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on grounding
 


 
Hi Debbie,

Thanks for your comments :).  It sounds like what you are doing is succeeding so far.    A friend bought some microwave absorbing material and put it under her hat and says it helps.   It is thin, has a fine coating of plastic and is quite thin and easy to shape.   When wearing shielding clothing, have you tried using an absorbing material rather than fabrics that shield by reflecting EMF's away?  Just curious if you notice any difference between reflective and aborbing material.

Also, if it's not too much trouble, can you please give some details about the bad EMF's you got from your grounding system?   Thanks if you can :).

I think you are right about about many of us having bacteria and pathogens we may not know about, that EMF's can help them thrive in our bodies, and that their dying off can create symptoms.   This is the first I've heard about Candida living under the skin!  Interesting.  :)

I don't think the skin sensations I'm experiencing fits in the die-off scenario though, because the skin sensations are only happening when there is electrical power in the wires inside the walls of the canopy room and I am inside the canopy.   When there is no electrical power in the wires, and I am in the canopy, there is no odd skin sensation at all.     I'm highly sensitive to ELF's.   Suspect they somehow get picked up from the energized wires in the walls and broadcasted in some way inside the canopy, regardless of the ground.

Sue

--- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@... wrote:

>
> hi Sue, I've been experimenting with wearing shielded garments etc for
> 2 years and totally relate to the skin burning and feeling like I've
> had enough at times--though it seems to have all the same good effects
> that you mentioned!  body relaxing, etc!  What I think is happening is
> the most of us have more bacteria, and pathogens in our body than we
> realize, and they are assisted by bad EMF's, when that is gone, they
> start to die, and its a known fact, like with candida die off, when
> they do they let off even more toxins when alive, and they often live
> under the skin...so I use it off and on, and think it aids my body....
>
> but I have gotten bad emf's from my grounding system in my house too...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@...>
> To: eSens <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:09 pm
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
> grounding
>
>  
> Turned all power off to our house at the utility box located on the
> outside of the house wall,  then went inside the canopy.  The skin
> sensitivity and stinging sensation disappeared.  The newly increased
> tinnitus decreased while inside the canopy! A total surprise.
>
> Here's the question - disconnected the ground to see what would happen.
>   Instantly could not stand being in the canopy, so reconnected it
> immediately.  Any thoughts about what is being grounded?
>
> I thought the ground was for the 60hz electrical fields because these
> metallic shielding fabrics amplify them, but the canopy appears to
> still be picking up a charge of some kind with the electrical power
> turned off.  I wasn't aware of RF fields creating a charge too, but I
> guess it makes sense, if that is the case.
>
> Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like it "had
> enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need to get
> out.  Later,  a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same thing
> happened again for me.
>
> I doubt this need to get out of the grounded canopy has anything to do
> with my body missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a
> natural setting with no signals for a couple of nights and it felt
> wonderful!   Something about being inside the canopy is still not right
> for my body.
>
> --- In [hidden email], "ob4567" sueandgerry@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi Marc,
> >
> > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
> >
> > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine
> if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
> need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
> avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
> lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
> below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
> ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room
> and the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms
> resistence between the canopy and the mat.
> >
> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy
> it registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.
>     The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less
> inside the canopy than other places in the house.
> >
> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am
> outside of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were
> inside of it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great
> results.    when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel
> like my body has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last,
> but still great news.
> >
> > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot
> of my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile,
> my skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5
> minutes after I am outside of the canopy.
> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
> shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
> almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be
> as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I
> awoke with increased tinnitus.
> >
> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was
> out,  my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud
> noise.  The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the
> increase in ringing.
> >
> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use
> of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon
> box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and
> bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
> dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
> reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build
> up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.
> I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in
> it lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
> >
> > Moving on :)
> > Sue
> >
>


 

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yarnspinner30@ymail.com
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Have been wanting to make a canopy or shielding for head when out and body when sleep also.
was going to measure with volt meter if sink is ok to ground to, but
how do you tell if it doesnt carry a charge? isnt all water and people electrical and can measure something?
Also someone told me they take IMD for pathagens, here is a link - http://www.drvitaminsolutions.com/IMD_Intestinal_Metals_Detox_Protocol/ Lynn D
--- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@... wrote:

>
> hi Sue, I've been experimenting with wearing shielded garments etc for
> 2 years and totally relate to the skin burning and feeling like I've
> had enough at times--though it seems to have all the same good effects
> that you mentioned!  body relaxing, etc!  What I think is happening is
> the most of us have more bacteria, and pathogens in our body than we
> realize, and they are assisted by bad EMF's, when that is gone, they
> start to die, and its a known fact, like with candida die off, when
> they do they let off even more toxins when alive, and they often live
> under the skin...so I use it off and on, and think it aids my body....
>
> but I have gotten bad emf's from my grounding system in my house too...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ob4567 <sueandgerry@...>
> To: eSens <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:09 pm
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on
> grounding
>
>  
> Turned all power off to our house at the utility box located on the
> outside of the house wall,  then went inside the canopy.  The skin
> sensitivity and stinging sensation disappeared.  The newly increased
> tinnitus decreased while inside the canopy! A total surprise.
>
> Here's the question - disconnected the ground to see what would happen.
>   Instantly could not stand being in the canopy, so reconnected it
> immediately.  Any thoughts about what is being grounded?
>
> I thought the ground was for the 60hz electrical fields because these
> metallic shielding fabrics amplify them, but the canopy appears to
> still be picking up a charge of some kind with the electrical power
> turned off.  I wasn't aware of RF fields creating a charge too, but I
> guess it makes sense, if that is the case.
>
> Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like it "had
> enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need to get
> out.  Later,  a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same thing
> happened again for me.
>
> I doubt this need to get out of the grounded canopy has anything to do
> with my body missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a
> natural setting with no signals for a couple of nights and it felt
> wonderful!   Something about being inside the canopy is still not right
> for my body.
>
> --- In [hidden email], "ob4567" sueandgerry@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi Marc,
> >
> > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too.  :)
> >
> > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to determine
> if I can live within a shielded environment here in our home or if I
> need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time in.  (Trying to
> avoid permanent relocation).   The canopy is extra large so there is
> lots of room inside of it.  It has anywhere from 43 to 50 dB from well
> below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz.     It's pad is grounded directly to earth
> ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the room
> and the canopy material rests on the pad.   There is 1.2 ohms
> resistence between the canopy and the mat.
> >
> > The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy
> it registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.  
>     The ELF meter shows nothing.   Body voltage is considerably less
> inside the canopy than other places in the house.
> >
> > Once inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am
> outside of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were
> inside of it and my friend tested me.   The energy tests show great
> results.    when I step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel
> like my body has decompressed, I seem to be taller.   It doesn't last,
> but still great news.
> >
> > Now here's the downside.   When I'm inside, within moments a lot
> of my skin feels sensitive.  If I remain inside the canopy for awhile,
> my skin starts to sting.   And it continues to sting for about 5
> minutes after I am outside of the canopy.
> > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
> shielding fabric.   And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
> almost immediate.  This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be
> as far away from the material as possible.   Also after being in it, I
> awoke with increased tinnitus.
> >
> > Did one more 1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was
> out,  my ears felt like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud
> noise.  The ringing increased.   I'm suspecting the canopy for the
> increase in ringing.
> >
> > I've heard that many people have their health improve with the use
> of canopies.  And I've been told that canopies can produce an "orgon
> box" affect.  That is when some frequencies get inside the canopy and
> bounce around.  Our body emits electrical fields as well and they
> dissipate.   The orgon-box affect causes the body's fields to be
> reflected back onto itself rather than to dissipate.   they can build
> up.    I've also heard that tinnitus is on the rise because of EMF's.  
> I'm guessing this is what might have happened. Glad I didn't sleep in
> it lol.   I'm not going to use it as is.
> >
> > Moving on :)
> > Sue
> >
>


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Re: Canopy experiment, continuing -question on grounding

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lets face it the canopy is a large antennae it could attract all manner of  
spurious waves, some from many miles away or even from satellite
transmissions  .....I have a poly carbonate room on my sun lounge with aluminium
joists one of  the joists registers an electric field despite it being completely
isolated,  picking up airborne electrons.....
 
puk
 
 
In a message dated 7/15/2013 1:40:34 A.M. Dateline Standard Time,  
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Have been wanting to make a canopy or shielding for head when out and  body
when sleep also.
was going to measure with volt meter if sink is ok to  ground to, but
how do you tell if it doesnt carry a charge? isnt all water  and people
electrical and can measure something?
Also someone told me they  take IMD for pathagens, here is a link -
http://www.drvitaminsolutions.com/IMD_Intestinal_Metals_Detox_Protocol/  Lynn D
--- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ,  
Debbie4God39@... wrote:

>
> hi Sue, I've been experimenting with  wearing shielded garments etc for
> 2 years and totally relate to the  skin burning and feeling like I've
> had enough at times--though it  seems to have all the same good effects
> that you mentioned! body  relaxing, etc! What I think is happening is
> the most of us have more  bacteria, and pathogens in our body than we
> realize, and they are  assisted by bad EMF's, when that is gone, they
> start to die, and its  a known fact, like with candida die off, when
> they do they let off  even more toxins when alive, and they often live
> under the skin...so  I use it off and on, and think it aids my body....
>
> but I have  gotten bad emf's from my grounding system in my house too...
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: ob4567  <sueandgerry@...>
> To: eSens <_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
>  Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:09 pm
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Canopy  experiment, continuing -question on
> grounding
>
>  Â
> Turned all power off to our house at the utility box located  on the
> outside of the house wall, then went inside the canopy. The  skin
> sensitivity and stinging sensation disappeared. The newly  increased
> tinnitus decreased while inside the canopy! A total  surprise.
>
> Here's the question - disconnected the ground to  see what would happen.
> Instantly could not stand being in the canopy,  so reconnected it
> immediately. Any thoughts about what is being  grounded?
>
> I thought the ground was for the 60hz electrical  fields because these
> metallic shielding fabrics amplify them, but the  canopy appears to
> still be picking up a charge of some kind with the  electrical power
> turned off. I wasn't aware of RF fields creating a  charge too, but I
> guess it makes sense, if that is the case.
>  
> Even though the above improvements happened, my body felt like it  "had
> enough" of the canopy after about 15 minutes and I felt the need  to get
> out. Later, a friend and I went inside for awhile and the same  thing
> happened again for me.
>
> I doubt this need to  get out of the grounded canopy has anything to do
> with my body  missing the usual RF signals because I've been in a
> natural setting  with no signals for a couple of nights and it felt
> wonderful!  Something about being inside the canopy is still not right
> for my  body.
>
> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "ob4567"  
sueandgerry@ wrote:

> >
> > Hi Marc,
> >
>  > I'm posting this because I know you like to experiment too. :)
>  >
> > I bought a nice EMF-shielding canopy as an experiment to  determine
> if I can live within a shielded environment here in our  home or if I
> need to start looking for low EMF places to spend time  in. (Trying to
> avoid permanent relocation). The canopy is extra large  so there is
> lots of room inside of it. It has anywhere from 43 to 50  dB from well
> below 1800Mhz to 10Ghz. It's pad is grounded directly to  earth
> ground rather than through the electrical outlet grounds in the  room
> and the canopy material rests on the pad. There is 1.2 ohms  
> resistence between the canopy and the mat.
> >
> >  The RF meter shows no signals inside, whereas outside the canopy
> it  registers plenty of smart meter, cell phone tower and wifi signals.
>  The ELF meter shows nothing. Body voltage is considerably less
> inside  the canopy than other places in the house.
> >
> > Once  inside, my body relaxes in a way it does not when I am
> outside of it.  I energy tested a friend and my sweetie when they were
> inside of it  and my friend tested me. The energy tests show great
> results. when I  step outside after being in it for awhile, I feel
> like my body has  decompressed, I seem to be taller. It doesn't last,
> but still great  news.
> >
> > Now here's the downside. When I'm inside,  within moments a lot
> of my skin feels sensitive. If I remain inside  the canopy for awhile,
> my skin starts to sting. And it continues to  sting for about 5
> minutes after I am outside of the canopy.
>  > I had this feeling only once before - when I tried to wear RF
>  shielding fabric. And like the canopy, the skin sensation change is
>  almost immediate. This is the reason I got an extra large canopy to be  
> as far away from the material as possible. Also after being in it, I  
> awoke with increased tinnitus.
> >
> > Did one more  1 minute test in it today and 1/2 hour after I was
> out, my ears felt  like they had been exposed to an incredibly loud
> noise. The ringing  increased. I'm suspecting the canopy for the
> increase in  ringing.
> >
> > I've heard that many people have their  health improve with the use
> of canopies. And I've been told that  canopies can produce an "orgon
> box" affect. That is when some  frequencies get inside the canopy and
> bounce around. Our body emits  electrical fields as well and they
> dissipate. The orgon-box affect  causes the body's fields to be
> reflected back onto itself rather than  to dissipate. they can build
> up. I've also heard that tinnitus is on  the rise because of EMF's.
> I'm guessing this is what might have  happened. Glad I didn't sleep in
> it lol. I'm not going to use it as  is.
> >
> > Moving on :)
> > Sue
>  >
>






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