house electricity entry point

Hi.  I'm very happy to have just found this group.  I live in the Seattle area and I've been aware of my electro-sensitivity for about 5 years, though I imagine I've had it longer.  Can't use cell phones, watch television, be in wifi areas, etc.  I think my degree of sensitivity is on the high end, but not real familliar with what other folks out there deal with.  Looking for some help with the following...

I have found that I am extremely sensitive to the corner of my house where the electrical wire from the street connects to the side of the house, with the meter on the outside of the wall and the circuit breaker box on the inside of the wall.  I have to pretty much avoid that room.  Being in that corner or along that wall, either inside or outside the house, is as bad as using a cellphone or being in a wireless internet area, and perhaps worse. To a lesser extent I am sensitive to the whole front yard where the wire from the street runs diagonally overhead at a pretty low height (since the house is set above street level).  

So, what I'm trying to figure out is whether this is something particularly bad about this house (an old house built in the very early 1900s) and/or this neighborhood (also old) or if I would be this sensitive to the electricity entry point on any house.  I'm considering moving (I'm a renter) but don't want to put forth the effort if I will have the same problem in another house.  

Is the electrical entry point of a house normally this bad for people with EMF sensitivity?  Any thoughts on what might be going on here and whether it is more likely to be a problem with this particular house/grid or a problem I would encounter in any house?  Anyone aware of "experts" that take phone calls or answer email who I might contact with this question?

Note: I don't think the house has a "smart meter".  I'm in Seattle and though Puget Sound Energy uses smart meters, I have electric heat with Seattle City Light and I don't think they use them yet.  Near the meter is where it affects me the most, but this is also where the wire connects to the house and as I mentioned, I think I can notice a sensitivity to the overhead wire in the front yard as well.

Thanks!

Russ

> Note: I don't think the house has a "smart meter".  I'm in
> Seattle and though Puget Sound Energy uses smart meters, I
> have electric heat with Seattle City Light and I don't think
> they use them yet.  Near the meter is where it affects me the
> most, but this is also where the wire connects to the house
> and as I mentioned, I think I can notice a sensitivity to
> the overhead wire in the front yard as well.

You may just be really sensitive.  I used to be able to feel
something from the overhead wires, wiring inside the walls
of my house, etc.  So you would experience that anywhere
where a meter or wires are present (and it seems like you
could test that theory easily enough by finding some other
meters and overhead wires and see what you feel).  

Seattle City light is not using Smart Meters.  Puget
Sound Energy has battery-powered "smart meters" on the
natural gas, but these don't seem very bothersome.

Marc

Hi Russ,

Sounds like the magnetic field around the power line, which can be
measured with a gauss meter, or the electric field. The electric field
influences your "body voltage," and is simply measurable with a
multimeter set to AC V between: a metal stake in the ground and the 2nd
probe touching your finger.
Both fields can extend outward 1000 ft, with the magnetic component out
to 1 mile, depending on amperage flow. More amps = larger and stronger
field.

I am very sensitive to power lines also.


> I have found that I am extremely sensitive to the corner of my house where the electrical wire from the street connects to the side of the house, with the meter on the outside of the wall and the circuit breaker box on the inside of the wall.  I have to pretty much avoid that room.  Being in that corner or along that wall, either inside or outside the house, is as bad as using a cellphone or being in a wireless internet area, and perhaps worse. To a lesser extent I am sensitive to the whole front yard where the wire from the street runs diagonally overhead at a pretty low height (since the house is set above street level).  
>  

> Is the electrical entry point of a house normally this bad for people with EMF sensitivity?  
Yes for me. Each person has individual levels of sensitivity and
symptoms, depending on exposure and toxic load.


> Any thoughts on what might be going on here and whether it is more likely to be a problem with this particular house/grid or a problem I would encounter in any house?  
If there are ground loops inside the house, those can also be measured,
pinpointed, and pity the person trying to rewire the potential mess of
spaghetti.


> Anyone aware of "experts" that take phone calls or answer email who I might contact with this question?
>  
I have some informative pages, and am happy to answer questions.
Although I focus on RF and microwaves more than magnetic fields, because
of the longer range, and being harder to get away from.
http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

Stewart

Stewart,

Do you know if we can test body voltage to give geo-stress in your body?

Is there a voltage difference vs magnetic from electricity? If you turned all power off could you?

If have underground wiring, could give false readings regardless.


Kathy


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      Hi Russ,



Sounds like the magnetic field around the power line, which can be

measured with a gauss meter, or the electric field. The electric field

influences your "body voltage," and is simply measurable with a

multimeter set to AC V between: a metal stake in the ground and the 2nd

probe touching your finger.

Both fields can extend outward 1000 ft, with the magnetic component out

to 1 mile, depending on amperage flow. More amps = larger and stronger

field.



I am very sensitive to power lines also.



> I have found that I am extremely sensitive to the corner of my house where the electrical wire from the street connects to the side of the house, with the meter on the outside of the wall and the circuit breaker box on the inside of the wall.  I have to pretty much avoid that room.  Being in that corner or along that wall, either inside or outside the house, is as bad as using a cellphone or being in a wireless internet area, and perhaps worse. To a lesser extent I am sensitive to the whole front yard where the wire from the street runs diagonally overhead at a pretty low height (since the house is set above street level).  

>  



> Is the electrical entry point of a house normally this bad for people with EMF sensitivity?  

Yes for me. Each person has individual levels of sensitivity and

symptoms, depending on exposure and toxic load.



> Any thoughts on what might be going on here and whether it is more likely to be a problem with this particular house/grid or a problem I would encounter in any house?  

If there are ground loops inside the house, those can also be measured,

pinpointed, and pity the person trying to rewire the potential mess of

spaghetti.



> Anyone aware of "experts" that take phone calls or answer email who I might contact with this question?

>  

I have some informative pages, and am happy to answer questions.

Although I focus on RF and microwaves more than magnetic fields, because

of the longer range, and being harder to get away from.

http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html



Stewart





   
     

   
   






 










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You probably have dirty electricity, also known as high voltage transients.  The sudden voltage spikes are very similar to the sudden changes in radio frequencies in the digital (pulsed) signals generated by cell phones and Wi-Fi.   It is very common.  There is a really good book called Dirty Electricity, Electrification and the Diseases of Civilization by Samuel Milham MD that discusses it.  The author lives in Washington state.

I started out only being sensitive to cell phones and the antennas on towers.  But over time, I became more sensitive, and my symptoms got worse.  I am now also affected by the wiring in the wall where the electric meter is.

If you tune a portable AM radio to as low of a frequency as you can (in the 500's or 600's), so that you cannot hear any radio stations, and walk around the house with it, you will hear a loud buzz or hum in some areas.  That is the radio picking up the changes in the magnetic field surrounding electrical wiring that are occurring thousands of times per second (dirty electricity).  

Pure AC power goes from zero volts to 120 volts, back down to zero, switches polarity, and then goes back up to 120 volts 60 times per second (also known as 60 Hertz).  A radio cannot pick that up.  The lowest frequency AM radios can detect is 530 kilohertz, which is 530,000 cycles per second.

If you are thinking of moving and want to tell how new places compare, this is a good way to check.  However, you may find that the strength varies depending on time of day.

You should also check the walls near your bed, chairs, couch, etc.  It is possible that it might be low enough near these spots that you don’t realize it is affecting you.  But if the radio can detect it, your body is absorbing it.  If that is the case, you might be able to pull the furniture away from the wall enough that it won’t be a problem.

Since it is the worst at your electric meter and near the electric line leading to your house, it is probably coming from the grid.  It could be caused by loose connections on a pole (I've heard where Ham radio operators will sometimes find interference caused by loose electrical connections on telephone poles).  But a lot is probably from compact fluorescent bulbs or electronics in all of your neighbors' houses.  The newer switching mode power supplies used in electronics generate it.  To reduce the amount of electricity used, someone figured out that it would be possible to design power supplies to turn the power on and off thousands of times per second.  But every time the power is turned on and off, it generates a voltage spike, resulting in dirty electricity.  

Magnetic fields can be difficult to shield, but it isn't impossible.  Less EMF has information about it:

http://www.lessemf.com/emf-shie.html

Since you rent, you probably can't use adhesive to attach anything to the walls, but you might be able to prop something up against the wall and use a piece of furniture to hold it in place.

Another alternative is to try to filter out the dirty electricity.  But, if most of it is coming in from outside, I'm not sure how effective it would be.  The problem is that you need to have the filters as close as possible to the source. And, there is a limit to how much dirty electricity a single filter can eliminate.  The more dirty electricity, the more filters you will need.  If you have outlets near the fuse panel, you could try it.  But if you plug them in 10 or 15 feet away, they may not do much.  

Here are some short videos that demonstrates the effectiveness of filtering dirty electricity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zO1JvA6gh8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noc2OA-xWCM

The second video is aimed at people who are into high-end audio equipment (they are concerned about dirty electricity because it can affect the sound quality of their stereos).  And because of the focus on high-end audio, the filter shown is expensive. But it'll give you an idea of what you will hear with an AM radio.

The Stetzerizer filters are much more economical.  Here are some places that sell them:

http://www.stetzerelectric.com/
http://www.electrahealth.com/
http://www.lessemf.com/suppress.html
     
Also, some surge suppression power strips contain filters (usually advertised as power conditioning).  

However, as Stewart mentioned, it is possible that the house could have wiring problems.  In that case, unless you have a very sympathetic landlord, your options are probably limited.

James

James,

Do you or anyone know if it's safe to use Stetzerizer filters if you have aluminum wiring?

We  made I mistake & bout a house w it & can't afford to rewire just yet. We will make sure we have no wiring errors before using them.

 We have to get a grounding rod put in & get the ground off our pipes.

Kathy




 












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Hi Kathy,

> Do you know if we can test body voltage to give geo-stress in your body?
>  
I wish I could. It seems like there are unexplained variables in how
symptoms go up and down, that would make it nice to measure non EMF/RF
sources like geo-stress, to see if it is a factor. Places where the
meter read zero, but don't feel good.

Today's solar storm is an example of such a variable.

> Is there a voltage difference vs magnetic from electricity?
Problem here is separating the magnetic and electric components of the
electromagnetic wave. At close range they are inseparable, and thus have
a special formula when measuring RF, called the "near-field." When
dealing with very low frequency magnetic fields, aka power lines at 50
or 60 Hertz, they are not separate.

However in tune with your question, I would say it is the electric field
that is being picked up by the body as an antenna.


> If you turned all power off could you?
>  
We have occasional power outages. During these times both magnetic and
electric fields go to zero, or in the case of magnetic, to the lowest
the meter reads, 0.10 mG here on the Dr.Gauss analog meter.

With power off, there would be neither magnetic field, no movement of
electricity in amps, nor the electric field.


> If have underground wiring, could give false readings regardless.
>  
Much higher field strength, being closer to the body. Underground is not
safer.

Stewart

--- At 01:02 AM 17 06 2012, russel395 wrote:

>So, what I'm trying to figure out is whether this is something particularly bad about this house (an old house built in the very early 1900s) and/or this neighborhood (also old) or if I would be this sensitive to the electricity entry point on any house. I'm considering moving (I'm a renter) but don't want to put forth the effort if I will have the same problem in another house.


Google: - knob-and-tube wiring + fields

http://www.google.com/search?q=knob-and-tube+wiring+fields 


wikipedia - Knob and tube wiring

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knob_and_tube_wiring

Knob and tube wiring (sometimes abbreviated K&T) was an early standardized method of electrical wiring in buildings, in common use in North America from about 1880 to the 1930s.[1][2] ...

... For those concerned about stray magnetic fields, K&T wiring produces a much stronger effect at a given level of current, since the conductors are separated by a greater distance and their fields do not cancel as well as more closely spaced conductors. According to the theory of magnetic fields, two parallel conductors carrying equal currents in opposite directions form a balanced line, partially cancelling each other's magnetic field at a sufficiently large distance from the pair. As a rule of thumb, if two parallel conductors carrying opposite currents are then separated by 10 times the distance, the stray magnetic field will then extend 10 times further than before."


JD


--- At 01:02 AM 17 06 2012, russel395 wrote:

The Stetzerizer filters are much more economical.  Here are some places that

sell them:
Note of caution: if the house wiring is not properly grounded, using Stetzerizer filters
can make the dirty electricity much  worse. It is best to have an electrician check to
make sure ALL the house wiring is properly done. This may need to go thru your
landlord though. You mentioned these were older houses, and many of these houses
may have the electrical grounded to the water pipes, which will, increase the magnetic
fields in the house tremendously. This was standard procedure up until the Nat'l Electrical
Code changed this  a year ago. While yes, the electrical has to be grounded, it is only to
be grounded at the service entrance, which is at the main power box, not in other places,
willy nilly, which is common with very old houses.
The gauss meter will measure these fields. A good source of info for meters that
are used to measure both ele fields and magnetic fields can be found at: www.emfcenter.com
you can also schedule a phone consultation with the owner of this business, it is listed
on the website.
I do know that Electric heat also puts out high fields. And if the electrical is found to be grounded
to any water lines in the house, this can greatly increase both ele and mag fields on the heaters,
and on the water pipes, and into the water itself.
Lizzie

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      You probably have dirty electricity, also known as high voltage transients.

The sudden voltage spikes are very similar to the sudden changes in radio

frequencies in the digital (pulsed) signals generated by cell phones and

Wi-Fi.   It is very common.  There is a really good book called Dirty

Electricity, Electrification and the Diseases of Civilization by Samuel

Milham MD that discusses it.  The author lives in Washington state.



I started out only being sensitive to cell phones and the antennas on

towers.  But over time, I became more sensitive, and my symptoms got worse.

I am now also affected by the wiring in the wall where the electric meter

is.



If you tune a portable AM radio to as low of a frequency as you can (in the

500's or 600's), so that you cannot hear any radio stations, and walk around

the house with it, you will hear a loud buzz or hum in some areas.  That is

the radio picking up the changes in the magnetic field surrounding

electrical wiring that are occurring thousands of times per second (dirty

electricity).  



Pure AC power goes from zero volts to 120 volts, back down to zero, switches

polarity, and then goes back up to 120 volts 60 times per second (also known

as 60 Hertz).  A radio cannot pick that up.  The lowest frequency AM radios

can detect is 530 kilohertz, which is 530,000 cycles per second.



If you are thinking of moving and want to tell how new places compare, this

is a good way to check.  However, you may find that the strength varies

depending on time of day.



You should also check the walls near your bed, chairs, couch, etc.  It is

possible that it might be low enough near these spots that you don’t realize

it is affecting you.  But if the radio can detect it, your body is absorbing

it.  If that is the case, you might be able to pull the furniture away from

the wall enough that it won’t be a problem.



Since it is the worst at your electric meter and near the electric line

leading to your house, it is probably coming from the grid.  It could be

caused by loose connections on a pole (I've heard where Ham radio operators

will sometimes find interference caused by loose electrical connections on

telephone poles).  But a lot is probably from compact fluorescent bulbs or

electronics in all of your neighbors' houses.  The newer switching mode

power supplies used in electronics generate it.  To reduce the amount of

electricity used, someone figured out that it would be possible to design

power supplies to turn the power on and off thousands of times per second.

But every time the power is turned on and off, it generates a voltage spike,

resulting in dirty electricity.  



Magnetic fields can be difficult to shield, but it isn't impossible.  Less

EMF has information about it:



http://www.lessemf.com/emf-shie.html



Since you rent, you probably can't use adhesive to attach anything to the

walls, but you might be able to prop something up against the wall and use a

piece of furniture to hold it in place.



Another alternative is to try to filter out the dirty electricity.  But, if

most of it is coming in from outside, I'm not sure how effective it would

be.  The problem is that you need to have the filters as close as possible

to the source. And, there is a limit to how much dirty electricity a single

filter can eliminate.  The more dirty electricity, the more filters you will

need.  If you have outlets near the fuse panel, you could try it.  But if

you plug them in 10 or 15 feet away, they may not do much.  



Here are some short videos that demonstrates the effectiveness of filtering

dirty electricity:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zO1JvA6gh8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noc2OA-xWCM



The second video is aimed at people who are into high-end audio equipment

(they are concerned about dirty electricity because it can affect the sound

quality of their stereos).  And because of the focus on high-end audio, the

filter shown is expensive. But it'll give you an idea of what you will hear

with an AM radio.



The Stetzerizer filters are much more economical.  Here are some places that

sell them:



http://www.stetzerelectric.com/

http://www.electrahealth.com/

http://www.lessemf.com/suppress.html

     

Also, some surge suppression power strips contain filters (usually

advertised as power conditioning).  



However, as Stewart mentioned, it is possible that the house could have

wiring problems.  In that case, unless you have a very sympathetic landlord,

your options are probably limited.



James



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Kathy,

I don't know if there are any concerns about using Stetzerizer filters with aluminum wiring.  However, Stetzer Electric should be able to answer your question.  Dave Stetzer is an electrician.  

James  

Good point. There was Knob and Tube in my house. I measured and found piggybacking current on dis connected knob and tube, the knob was picking up current or emfs, from the romex wiring next to it!
Lizzie

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--- At 01:02 AM 17 06 2012, russel395 wrote:



>So, what I'm trying to figure out is whether this is something particularly bad about this house (an old house built in the very early 1900s) and/or this neighborhood (also old) or if I would be this sensitive to the electricity entry point on any house. I'm considering moving (I'm a renter) but don't want to put forth the effort if I will have the same problem in another house.



Google: - knob-and-tube wiring + fields



http://www.google.com/search?q=knob-and-tube+wiring+fields 



wikipedia - Knob and tube wiring



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knob_and_tube_wiring



Knob and tube wiring (sometimes abbreviated K&T) was an early standardized method of electrical wiring in buildings, in common use in North America from about 1880 to the 1930s.[1][2] ...



... For those concerned about stray magnetic fields, K&T wiring produces a much stronger effect at a given level of current, since the conductors are separated by a greater distance and their fields do not cancel as well as more closely spaced conductors. According to the theory of magnetic fields, two parallel conductors carrying equal currents in opposite directions form a balanced line, partially cancelling each other's magnetic field at a sufficiently large distance from the pair. As a rule of thumb, if two parallel conductors carrying opposite currents are then separated by 10 times the distance, the stray magnetic field will then extend 10 times further than before."



JD



--- At 01:02 AM 17 06 2012, russel395 wrote:

>

>Hi.  I'm very happy to have just found this group.  I live in the Seattle area and I've been aware of my electro-sensitivity for about 5 years, though I imagine I've had it longer.  Can't use cell phones, watch television, be in wifi areas, etc.  I think my degree of sensitivity is on the high end, but not real familliar with what other folks out there deal with.  Looking for some help with the following...

>

>I have found that I am extremely sensitive to the corner of my house where the electrical wire from the street connects to the side of the house, with the meter on the outside of the wall and the circuit breaker box on the inside of the wall.  I have to pretty much avoid that room.  Being in that corner or along that wall, either inside or outside the house, is as bad as using a cellphone or being in a wireless internet area, and perhaps worse. To a lesser extent I am sensitive to the whole front yard where the wire from the street runs diagonally overhead at a pretty low height (since the house is set above street level).  

>

>So, what I'm trying to figure out is whether this is something particularly bad about this house (an old house built in the very early 1900s) and/or this neighborhood (also old) or if I would be this sensitive to the electricity entry point on any house.  I'm considering moving (I'm a renter) but don't want to put forth the effort if I will have the same problem in another house.  

>

>Is the electrical entry point of a house normally this bad for people with EMF sensitivity?  Any thoughts on what might be going on here and whether it is more likely to be a problem with this particular house/grid or a problem I would encounter in any house?  Anyone aware of "experts" that take phone calls or answer email who I might contact with this question?

>

>Note: I don't think the house has a "smart meter".  I'm in Seattle and though Puget Sound Energy uses smart meters, I have electric heat with Seattle City Light and I don't think they use them yet.  Near the meter is where it affects me the most, but this is also where the wire connects to the house and as I mentioned, I think I can notice a sensitivity to the overhead wire in the front yard as well.

>

>Thanks!

>

>Russ

>

>

>





   
     

   
   






       

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Thanks Marc.  I think you're right that I am very sensitive and would probably experience some degree of sensitivity to all meters and overhead wires.  But right now I am leaning towards thinking that there must be something additional going on with this house to explain the severe nature of the sensitivity.  

I also want to follow-up on what you said about the PSE smart meters, since I may end up moving and would likely need to choose between electric heat (not ideal) or gas from PSE.  You said their smart meters are battery powered and don't seem very bothersome.  So are these not the same as the smart meters that a causing problems for many people?  Is there anyone else in the Seattle area who can confirm that these meters are not a big problem?  How does battery-powered make it safer?  Aren't cellphones battery powered?

Thanks!


--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

Thanks Stewart.  I did some body voltage measurements a while back and that room was no worse than the rest of the house and actually a little lower.  Maximum of 2.5 V in that room (living room) compared to max measurements in the kitchen, den, and bedroom all around 5 V.  By the way, how do these measurements compare to a typical house?

I have not done Gauss meter measurements. Is there a particular meter available for purchase that you would recommend?

I don't know what ground loops are and so didn't understand what you were saying there.  But given this is such an old house (1908 I think) with probably many additions and updates along the way, I do think that the wiring in the house is a big "spaghetti" mess.  For example, there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to what is on which circuit.  It is kind of all over the place (some kitchen outlets on one circuit, others on another, etc.).

Thanks!

Russ


--- In [hidden email], S Andreason <sandreas41@...> wrote:

Stewart, can you elaborate on what you said about underground wiring not being safer.  In other places I have seen it said that for electro-sensitive people it is better for the electricity to come to the house underground rather than overhead and I was thinking I might have to look for a house where this was the case.  I assumed the ground must provide some blocking or insulation of the magnetic field.  But you're saying that underground is not better?  Thanks,

Russ


--- In [hidden email], S Andreason <sandreas41@...> wrote:

> I also want to follow-up on what you said about the PSE smart meters,
> since I may end up moving and would likely need to choose between
> electric heat (not ideal) or gas from PSE.  You said their smart
> meters are battery powered and don't seem very bothersome.  So are
> these not the same as the smart meters that a causing problems for
> many people?  Is there anyone else in the Seattle area who can
> confirm that these meters are not a big problem?  How does
> battery-powered make it safer?  Aren't cellphones battery powered?

It seems like most (all?) of the Smart Meter complaints I've seen
here are about electricity meters, which introduce their transmission
frequencies directly into your house's electricity.  Also, these
meters seem to be producing bursts thousands of times per day,
and are sending their signals to your neighbors meters, which
then pass them on to their neighbors meters, etc.

I'm not sure how the gas company smart meters work, but they
cannot transmit a lot, otherwise the battery would die quickly.
And I suspect the battery in these meters last for years, as
opposed to a cellphone battery, which only lasts for days when
the phone is in active use.

It could be that the gas company meters only work when the
gas utility truck comes down the street to read them (in
which case there are still people reading the meters, but
they don't have to actually go onto your property to read
them).

Marc

Hello all. I read this column everyday and am sympathetic to all you EMF sufferers. You all write about being sensitive and being bothered and you describe your vulnerability to EMFs but nobody ever describes how it affects them. I live in an apartment complex where the dogs have been going crazy ever since the smart meters were installed. I wondered if they too aren't reacting to the fields.

Would you folks mind listing how these fields affect your body or emotions?  It might help explain the other animals' problems and we could use your testimony as backup support in our complaints to management. Besides an increase in insomnia I can't pinpoint a direct link to my own symptoms. But I may be overlooking the obvious.  Any comments... complaints in common?

Mary

Thanks Marc.  Really appreciate the help.  Based on this info, if I do end up moving, I think I would try to find gas heat rather than electric.  Sounds like the EMFs from electric heat, which do affect me, would be more likely to cause problems than this particular kind of smart meter.  Would others agree?  I've actually avoided gas in the past because of chemical sensitivities, but I've since read that with the newer high efficiency furnaces people with MCS are able to tolerate it.

Russ

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

I would say the unlucky dogs in your apartment complex are definitely screwed.  And yes, it will mess with your sleep cycles sometimes so you're being affected, too.  

There are so many symptoms for this condition that each individual has a unique set.  I get pain in very specific regions in my head and body, physical weakness, brain fog, and other...what I would call 'freak effects' every now and again (messed up diaphragm timing, sensation in my eyeballs, severe disorientation, itching of the inner ear, etc.)  It definitely takes a toll on you emotionally and psychologically because, for all basic purposes, you are living with a form of physical torture 24/7.  I don't know about anyone else here but I try not to think about it if I can help it because dwelling on your situation will make you crazy.  We have monthly updates around here about every 8th of the month and just like clockwork life is just hell for a week-and-a-half on average until it calms down again and each time my reaction symptoms are different.  Since the last one I've been having a heck of a time finding another place to sleep (I've been camping wherever I can in my house).  If you can get away from having a smart meter, please move!  You don't want to end up like us.

-glitter

--- In [hidden email], "Marjij" <marjij@...> wrote:
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> Hello all. I read this column everyday and am sympathetic to all you EMF sufferers. You all write about being sensitive and being bothered and you describe your vulnerability to EMFs but nobody ever describes how it affects them. I live in an apartment complex where the dogs have been going crazy ever since the smart meters were installed. I wondered if they too aren't reacting to the fields.
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> Would you folks mind listing how these fields affect your body or emotions?  It might help explain the other animals' problems and we could use your testimony as backup support in our complaints to management. Besides an increase in insomnia I can't pinpoint a direct link to my own symptoms. But I may be overlooking the obvious.  Any comments... complaints in common?
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russel395 wrote:
> Thanks Stewart.  I did some body voltage measurements a while back and that room was no worse than the rest of the house and actually a little lower.  Maximum of 2.5 V in that room (living room) compared to max measurements in the kitchen, den, and bedroom all around 5 V.  By the way, how do these measurements compare to a typical house?
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I measure 2.5 - 3.0 V AC when standing under the local power line,
single phase, only powering < 20 homes. I consider this way too high.
Also here a gauss meter reads 1.0 - 2.0 mG, depending on how many
appliances are on.

I put everything here in metal conduit when we built this house, so only
cords plugged in to the wall radiate.
Typical here is 0.120 V, unless touching or getting near a cord, then up
to 1.0 V.
Standing on a concrete floor with rebar in it can also read higher, 0.9 V.
This last example goes to zero when the county wide power grid is off.
Walking outside away from the power line, at 1000 ft, the body voltage
finally reaches zero. Gauss meter reads 0.1 - 0.15 mG. It seems my gauss
meter doesn't go below 0.1 when on.


> I have not done Gauss meter measurements. Is there a particular meter available for purchase that you would recommend?
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I like Dr.Gauss. It is simple, analog, and picks up more than the
digital gauss meter I tried.
I need to get my hands on a Cornet ED-75, to test how it compares.


> I don't know what ground loops are and so didn't understand what you were saying there.
The wiring Should extend outward from the circuit breaker panel, in a
star pattern. No circuits should touch or "loop" around with any other
circuits, thus creating multiple paths.
In order to keep the magnetic field small, the hot wire should be right
next to the neutral return path. Otherwise, the two wires don't cancel
each other out, and the field encompasses the rooms along the amperage path.
This is a common mistake with ground wiring, as everything gets hooked
up to ground! Unfortunately, this can lead to amps moving along paths in
circuitous manner. Fortunately, there should not be Current moving by
ground wire.
But really old wiring used neutral for ground, or to say they used only
two-wire cables instead of today's three. This I've seen even in modern
building, by cheap contractors that really don't know how electricity works.
Almost as bad as leaving the ground un-attached. I got a 50V shock once
off a computer case because of that.

Stewart

Hi Russ,

The ground cover can attenuate or reduce the Electric field, but Not the
Magnetic field. Only special high-price shielding like mu-metal can
reduce or attenuate the magnetic field.

Buried wiring looks good, but it is only buried 2 ft from ground level.
When this is done along roads or driveway, then when you walk on that
road/driveway your feet are only 2 ft from the center of the magnetic
field.
Compare this with up in the air, at least 13 ft off the ground so that
semi-trucks/lorries can get under them.
Since magnetic fields are exponential in how the field strength goes
down with distance, the 2 ft vs. 13 ft. can represent a 400% change in
field strength. (Estimate, depends on amperage flow.)

It is generally accepted that power line workers get higher rates of
cancer. 2 mG = double rate. 3 mG = triple rate. So what do you get when
walking or riding bicycle, etc. regularly along a 10 mG line??

Location Location Location.

Stewart


russel395 wrote:
> Stewart, can you elaborate on what you said about underground wiring not being safer.  In other places I have seen it said that for electro-sensitive people it is better for the electricity to come to the house underground rather than overhead and I was thinking I might have to look for a house where this was the case.  I assumed the ground must provide some blocking or insulation of the magnetic field.  But you're saying that underground is not better?  Thanks,
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