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On June 20, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Regarding the ionic foot baths, I have heard many do not do well with these.
> It is because any thing that detoxes or chelates or removes heavy metals and toxins

That certainly is a factor.  I also think it causes unsafe redistribution of
metals, which can end up causing new damage when those metals
"settle" somewhere else in your body.  In my case, there were major
setbacks in my adrenal, thyroid, and digestive health caused by the
footbaths.

On the other hand, some people do really well with ionic footbaths.  Charles'
wife had a significant reduction in ES symptoms from just a few weeks of
using one.

Marc

What would be interesting to know in the case of Charle's wife, is:
what protocols had been followed BEFORE she used the Ionic foot baths.
For example, mineral supplementation, kidney cleanses, often the detox
ends up a disaster because the kidneys are over loaded...
Lizzie
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      On June 20, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Regarding the ionic foot baths, I have heard many do not do well with these.

> It is because any thing that detoxes or chelates or removes heavy metals and toxins



That certainly is a factor.  I also think it causes unsafe redistribution of

metals, which can end up causing new damage when those metals

"settle" somewhere else in your body.  In my case, there were major

setbacks in my adrenal, thyroid, and digestive health caused by the

footbaths.



On the other hand, some people do really well with ionic footbaths.  Charles'

wife had a significant reduction in ES symptoms from just a few weeks of

using one.



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The adrenal cortex really helps with my mood. Not sure about helping with es but it sure helps with stress.I actually feel calmer when I take it.
I bought the thyroid too, taking one per day, the cortex one or two.
Thanks for the info,
Steve

--- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote:

Awesome!
The reason the adrenal cortex helps with stress is that the adrenals are the "stress busters" of the immune system.
ANY kind of stress effects the adrenals- (emotional, physical, electrical and bio physical) any kind of stress effects
the adrenals,
which in turn effects the entire Immune System.
Bottom line? The stronger the Immune system is, the better!
Glad to know these are helping.
Lizzie

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      The adrenal cortex really helps with my mood. Not sure about helping with es but it sure helps with stress.I actually feel calmer when I take it.

I bought the thyroid too, taking one per day, the cortex one or two.

Thanks for the info,

Steve



--- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote:

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> My suggestions to supplements/ protocol:

> Avoidance as much as possible.

> Supporting both the Thyroid gland and the Adrenal Glands.

> **These are major players in the Immune system!

> There are the engine and transmission of a car.

> Thyroid and Adrenal- raw glandulars

> www.nutri-meds.com

> Adrenal: either Cortex or Cortex Plus

> Thyroid: raw porccine glandulars or they make a bovine glandular.

> Thyroid: Thyroid Helper from www.wellnessresources.com

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> Also mineral supplementation:

> Iodine: Nascent Iodine, www.magnascent.com

> odine Dosages and Treatments – IMVA » Dosages

> iodine.imva.info/index.php/iodine-dosages/

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> Magnesium Chloride Oil- www.ancient-minerals.com

> Magnesium For Life | Transdermal Magnesium Chloride Therapy magnesiumforlife.com/

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> Holy Basil Tulsi Capsules or tea- www.organicindia.com or www.swansonvitamins.com

> Tulsi | Tulsi Herb Benefits - Mercola.com organicindia.mercola.com/herbal-supplements/tulsi.aspx

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> A good B-Complex supplement- www.wellnessresources.com  Super Co Enzyme B Complex

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> Sulfur is also an extremely important mineral. Found in: raw garlic, onions, brocolli, asparagus,

> cauliflower. And some believe also found in Aloe Vera juice.

> OR: www.organicsulfur.com

> organicsulfurstudy.com organicsulfurstudy.com/

> www.organic-sulfur.com/

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> Also, alkalizing the body/blood is crucial to health. Radiation causes the blood to become acidic.

> This is why eating green superfoods (Chlorella, Spirulena, ect) is helpful in both nurturing the body

> and helping to alkalize the blood.

> Baking Soda- see:

> Sodium Bicarbonate Dosages and Treatments – IMVA ... sodiumbicarbonate.imva.info/index.../arm-hammer-soda-company/

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> These are the basic ones.

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> Lizzie

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I've been doing some research into the Seattle smart meter issue the last couple days.  Here's a summary of my understanding of the current situation.  Thanks to Superdrove for the original post in this thread and all the great info it provided.

Seattle City Light
- They do not currently use smart meters with the possible exception of a pilot program on the UW campus.
- They are actively planning a full Smart Meter implementation but this is not yet 100% decided and while timetables have been suggested they are not set in stone.
- They are watching the industry and following the programs implemented by other utilities around the country.  They are taking a bit of a "wait and see" approach as there are significant financial cost/benefit concerns that could delay or even cancel the project.
- The earliest they could implement is 2015.
- They are considering an opt-out program, but this would have cost impacts.
- Conclusion: Smart meter implementation is probably inevitable but now's the time to make them aware of our safety concerns and maybe along with the financial concerns get the project delayed or cancelled or at least get an opt-out.

Puget Sound Energy
- PSE uses a type of smart meter for both their gas and electric customers, though they will sometimes deny that they are "smart meters" and prefer to refer to them as "wireless meters".
- For both electric and gas these meters are of the "send only" variety and send a wireless non-ionizing radiowave pulse of about 0.5W intensity every 5 minutes (electric) to 15 minutes (gas).
- These meters are not the "send and receive" smart meters in use in CA and elsewhere which send a strong microwave radiation pulse several times a minute.
- Two ES sensitive individals have said that the PSE meters did not bother them. (Marc and another person who is extremely ES sensitive and recently moved into a house with a PSE electric meter.)
- Conclusion: The PSE meters are less likely to cause problems for folks and I don't think an ES sensitive individual needs to automatically rule out housing options with a PSE meter.  That does not mean that they are harmless and won't cause issues for some people.

Links...

Seattle City Light Outreach Meeting Notes:
(see questions/answers on smart meters which make it clear there are financial concerns and that they have not yet come to a final decision)
http://www.seattle.gov/citylightreviewpanel/documents/OutreachSummaries[2012].pdf
http://www.seattle.gov/citylightreviewpanel/documents/June9OutreachSession--SummaryWriteUp.pdf

Wireless Action Network Smart Meter document
(has info on the two different meter types and some other PSE specific info.)
http://library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1101578919070-536/Wireless+Action+Network+-Smart+Meter+Report+4-18-2012.pdf

On June 22, russel395 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I've been doing some research into the Seattle smart meter issue the last couple days.  
> Here's a summary of my understanding of the current situation.  

Wow, thanks!

Also note that in my case, I've got hundreds of dollars worth of EMF protection
stuff in my house, so that could have something to do with my smart meter's
"tolerability".   Also, the location of our smart meter is pretty far away
from where we spend most of our time.

But that PSE smart meter isn't even on my list of things to be concerned
about... I've got much more obvious problems with other things in our
house (computers, laptops, high speed internet, televisions, Blu-ray
players, etc.).

Marc

Which EMF protection devices worked the best for you? Do you have a smart meter?

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

On June 22, pclafferty <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Which EMF protection devices worked the best for you? Do you have a smart meter?

For me, items from www.quantumproducts.com have been the most effective.
But everyone is different here, so it's impossible to predict what might
work best in your situation.  For smart meters, you'd probably need to try
one of the more expensive items (of course!), like the "Quantum Home" or
the "Quantum Pro".

When you mention blood sugar and EMF, there have actually been
studies that confirm that, and they even used an EMF protection
device to bring down the blood sugar numbers.  That device was
the Stetzerizer filter.  This has also been discussed a lot here,
and has it's pros and cons.

Marc

russel395 wrote:
> Thanks Stewart.  So is pre-Romex wiring generally better or worse for an electrically sensitive individual?
>  
I'd answer worse, but the correct answer is maybe. It is possible for
pre-Romex to have the wires correctly wired and alongside each other.
The only way to tell is individual testing for each circuit.

Also, I'd point out that putting wires in metal conduit, is the best
solution, but is not romex either.

Stewart

You will be if they install them on your place and nearby. It was the one thing I noticed immediately, more than anything else I use.
I was able to get 2 of the 4 on my apt. building removed and it helped a little. Those 'Smart' Meters are nasty!
Steve

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

Steve,

Congratulations. That's wonderful.


 If you still feel bad, you could try for another apartment, or have try to get them to move more.

 I know it's hard but you accomplished a lot. I agree, smart meters are awful.

Kathy



--- On Fri, 6/22/12, torch369 <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: torch369 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: SEATTLE SMART METER DEPLOYMENT
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      You will be if they install them on your place and nearby. It was the one thing I noticed immediately, more than anything else I use.

I was able to get 2 of the 4 on my apt. building removed and it helped a little. Those 'Smart' Meters are nasty!

Steve



--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

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> On June 22, russel395 <russturk@...> wrote:

> > I've been doing some research into the Seattle smart meter issue the last couple days.  

> > Here's a summary of my understanding of the current situation.  

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> Wow, thanks!

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> Also note that in my case, I've got hundreds of dollars worth of EMF protection

> stuff in my house, so that could have something to do with my smart meter's

> "tolerability".   Also, the location of our smart meter is pretty far away

> from where we spend most of our time.

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> But that PSE smart meter isn't even on my list of things to be concerned

> about... I've got much more obvious problems with other things in our

> house (computers, laptops, high speed internet, televisions, Blu-ray

> players, etc.).

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Steve, do you live in Seattle/Washington State or do you live elsewhere in the country?

--- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@...> wrote:

Cons or against the Steiz filters is that ALL the wiring in the house
must be properly wired. If it isn't, and these filters are used, this
could make the dirty electricity worse. Generally speaking this
means having a qualified Electrician pull the cover box off of
every outlet, to see if the outlet is properly grounded. Also
ceiling lights should also be checked.

Lizzie

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      On June 22, pclafferty <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Which EMF protection devices worked the best for you? Do you have a smart meter?



For me, items from www.quantumproducts.com have been the most effective.

But everyone is different here, so it's impossible to predict what might

work best in your situation.  For smart meters, you'd probably need to try

one of the more expensive items (of course!), like the "Quantum Home" or

the "Quantum Pro".



When you mention blood sugar and EMF, there have actually been

studies that confirm that, and they even used an EMF protection

device to bring down the blood sugar numbers.  That device was

the Stetzerizer filter.  This has also been discussed a lot here,

and has it's pros and cons.



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I live in San Diego
Steve

--- In [hidden email], "russel395" <russturk@...> wrote:

Thanks
I would have to pay for the other tenants to remove them and I feel strange asking them. I'm going to have to live with this for a while until there is a resolution for apartment dwellers.
Steve

--- In [hidden email], KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote:

> Cons or against the Steiz filters is that ALL the wiring in the house
> must be properly wired. If it isn't, and these filters are used, this
> could make the dirty electricity worse.

I think there are other cons to the Stetzer filters:

-- they increase the magnetic field nearby the filters

-- they only filter out a very limited frequency range
   (10 - 100khz).  If you are reacting to something
   outside of that range, they may not do you any good.

Marc

Hi, All,

WOW, a testy group since I was here last!

Cab, I agree with almost everything you have written, however, I am one who is not "cured" but greatly better and I would have seen zero help from just avoidance.  Sure, while I was not near any emfs, I would not be feeling any emfs, but avoidance did little to heal me.  You need a multi-pronged approach, of which avoidance is part, detox (greatly helpful) is part, pH balance is a part, and healing areas of damage (which is individual to each person) is a part.  I am sure Marc did not mean to imply avoidance is not also helpful or necessary.


Marc has been greatly helpful over the years to many of us here, me included.  I don't always agree 100% with what Marc writes (gee, I don't know ANYONE who I *do* always agree with).  But I never have felt the need to stick the pen into someone (or perhaps stylus, in this instance)--without provocation--and give it a twist; and would never do so to the originator of such a helpful group. 


This reminds me of a great CFS chatroom I was a part of in the late 90s.  It was greatly helpful to hundreds of people struggling with CFS, until suddenly it was over-run by another forum full of depressed people who decided to come in and take over and be rude to the original chatters.  Within a month the original CFS group was gone.  As a member of this group from 2004, I hope this is not the direction the newbies to this forum are inclined to go.  

Sincerely,
Diane



Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: house electricity entry point
 
-- On Wed, 6/20/12, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
So that's another option -- don't concern yourself over choosing between gas smart meters or electric heat.   Instead, focus on eliminating your ES, and eventually you won't have a problem with either.


There may be some confusion with what Marc is saying, which is eliminate ES and you won't react to being around wireless or EMF's with uncomfortable symptoms.  Some may interpret this to mean:  eliminate your ES and you can exposure the crap out of yourself.  We discussed this in previous threads:  Does having no symptoms mean you are safe?

I Disagree with what Marc says because a large part of any protocol for eliminating your ES is to minimize your exposure.  I think it is misleading to say some one can "ELIMINATE THEIR ES".  Instead, I think we should say we have "REDUCED OUR ES EXPOSURE THRESHOLD".  "Eliminating your ES" or reducing your symptoms, does not necessarily mean you will not have a problem with living with a Gas or Smart Meter on your house - there is sill a health hazard involved and there is still a chance the ES can come back when your immune system reaches the limit of what it can endure, so you are playing with fire by exposing yourself to wireless. AVOIDANCE IS KEY.  Yes, we aim to reduce or eliminate our uncomfortable symptoms, but after that, we should not be complacent and beam ourself with what made us ill to begin with.

If you are already reacting to wireless or EMF's and  think you can detox and heal while you are still getting assaulted,  think again.  The same goes for MCS, and the main part of any program to becoming less sensitive to Chemicals is avoidance and minimizing exposure. i have largely healed my MCS, as long as I practice avoidance and minimizing my exposure.  It would come right back if I move into a moldy apartment for example.

Detoxing for ES involves things such as:  correcting Body Voltage and pH, support glands, support liver, kidneys, and lymphatic system, get rid of dental amalgams, detox metals and microbes, support immune system,  take supplements, etc. as well as minimizing exposure by getting rid of metal beds, moving your bed, wearing shiedling garments, wearing protective devices, installing filters, or protective devices,  moving to a different location, etc.

It is easy to say "eliminate your ES" but realize that exposure to EMF's, Smart Meters and wireless, WHETHER YOU ARE REACTING TO IT OR NOT, is still a health hazard with documented adverse health effects.

Just because I am not having recognized symptoms from a Gas or Smart Meter does not mean I want to live with one on my house or apartment.  I want to reduce my exposure as much as possible to all sources of wireless whenever possible because it is everywhere I go and I am getting enough exposure as it is.  And I know that the only way I was able to "heal" or reduce my MCS was by avoidance and minimizing exposure. 

I do not need the additional stress burden on my health, and I do not want Cataracts, Diabetes, Thyroid Cancer, Brain Cancer, or the myraid of other possible health problems caused by EMF and wireless exposure.  Remember, that being exposed to it stimulates microbes to proliferate, and breaks DNA, so it will always be a stress factor on your immune system while you are around it and it will be a constant battle to maintain your equilibrium. 

So I say, the primary most important part of REDUCING YOUR ES THRESHOLD, is avoidance and minimizing exposure.


C. Johnson
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Wireless Refugee







 





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--- On Thu, 6/28/12, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

This reminds me of a great CFS chatroom I was a part of in the late
90s. It was greatly helpful to hundreds of people struggling with CFS,
until suddenly it was over-run by another forum full of depressed
people who decided to come in and take over and be rude to the original
chatters.

Hi Diane,

Gee!  I really had no idea that my message would be considered rude or nasty in any way.  I guess I am clueless.  I thought I was just adding another opinion to the conversation and meant no ill will towards Mark or anyone on this list.  

Mark, if you were offended in any way by my message or my attitude. I certainly do apologize.  You clearly know a lot more about ES than I do, since you were able to make so many advances in healing your condition.  And I do greatly appreciate your efforts in hosting this list, which I consider the best ES support group on the web. 

And I apologize to you too Diane, for making you feel the need to write a message about this.

-- On Thu, 6/28/12, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


You need a multi-pronged approach, of which avoidance is part, detox
(greatly helpful) is part, pH balance is a part, and healing areas of
damage (which is individual to each person) is a part. I am sure Marc
did not mean to imply avoidance is not also helpful or necessary.

Yes, that is exactly what I was trying to say in my message, which apparently didn't come across very well, is that IN ADDITION to all the stuff that Mark has used to detox and heal, I personally think that avoidance should be practiced along with that protocol as much as possible.  But, like Mark says, everyone is different. 

Blessings to all,

C. Johnson
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Wireless Refugee








 





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Sorry, Cab,


I didn't mean to imply YOU were being too rude.  I just meant the tone of this whole thread seemed negative, but not your post, in particular.  I wrote that post quickly and didn't reread it until just a few minutes ago.  I was actually going to write a PS to say my comments were not aimed at you, before I saw your apology!  I often read an entire thread and then reply to the last major post in that thread, and that was the case here.  Sorry if it seemed I was unloading on you (I admit it did sound that way when I read it too.)


However, I have seen a trend in the past year of "picking on" some of what Marc writes and, while I do not always, as I wrote earlier, agree with Marc myself, I don't see the need to keep harping on particular omissions or statements he makes.  Many people who have not been here for long (multiple years) do not know what those of us who have been here have gone thru to get to the point we are at today.  I see this in some of the comments people have made to my posts, as well (as tho it was just a walk in the park for me--well, that did help, come to think of it, but.... ;)   lol) 


If Marc is not clear about the need for emf avoidance in one post, that does not mean he doesn't think it matters.  History proves he does think it matters (as do I).  Marc has a hard job being the moderator and I think we need to cut him some slack.  It is a pretty much 365 days a year, year in and year out job, and he does this of his own time and good nature.  He was a forum pioneer on this subject.  None of us can distill all our thoughts into each and every post we write.  Otherwise we would be constantly writing 20 page dissertations.  Certainly one can always find something that another forgot to mention, or mentioned amiss somehow.  But does that really necessitate making it a controversy?  That was the point I was trying to make.  And there are particular people here who do that every chance they get, it seems, particularly with Marc's posts.  One perhaps needs to ask, "why is that?"


Cab, you did make mention of the multi-pronged approach, but then you said you thought avoidance was most necessary.  My point was that it is *ALL* necessary.  Certainly we cannot do this all at once, but at some point or other, it is necessary to cover it all, and one gets nowhere until they do.  

Ahhh.... I see the end of my inbox!  I knew I could do it if I sat here long enough.  ;)  I need to read my email more often--if I only had the time.

Apology accepted, tho not needed.  Sorry for the misunderstanding,
Diane



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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: house electricity entry point
 

--- On Thu, 6/28/12, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

This reminds me of a great CFS chatroom I was a part of in the late
90s. It was greatly helpful to hundreds of people struggling with CFS,
until suddenly it was over-run by another forum full of depressed
people who decided to come in and take over and be rude to the original
chatters.

Hi Diane,

Gee!  I really had no idea that my message would be considered rude or nasty in any way.  I guess I am clueless.  I thought I was just adding another opinion to the conversation and meant no ill will towards Mark or anyone on this list.  

Mark, if you were offended in any way by my message or my attitude. I certainly do apologize.  You clearly know a lot more about ES than I do, since you were able to make so many advances in healing your condition.  And I do greatly appreciate your efforts in hosting this list, which I consider the best ES support group on the web. 

And I apologize to you too Diane, for making you feel the need to write a message about this.

-- On Thu, 6/28/12, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


You need a multi-pronged approach, of which avoidance is part, detox
(greatly helpful) is part, pH balance is a part, and healing areas of
damage (which is individual to each person) is a part. I am sure Marc
did not mean to imply avoidance is not also helpful or necessary.

Yes, that is exactly what I was trying to say in my message, which apparently didn't come across very well, is that IN ADDITION to all the stuff that Mark has used to detox and heal, I personally think that avoidance should be practiced along with that protocol as much as possible.  But, like Mark says, everyone is different. 

Blessings to all,

C. Johnson
[hidden email]
Wireless Refugee








 





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> Gee!  I really had no idea that my message would be
> considered rude or nasty in any way. 

Yes, I didn't notice any problem with that message
either... I do notice that when one posts a message,
there can be a wide variance in how that message
is interpreted -- and sometimes the interpretation
is nothing like what the original poster intended!

Also, I wouldn't worry about people coming in
and "destroying" this group.  That might happen
if a group is totally unmoderated, but if you
have a moderator that is looking for things
like that, those people will be moderated and/or
thrown out of the group.

Marc