blocking wifi

I know people have posted a lot about the impact of wireless internet on health, but I haven't seen any postings about how to potentially block wifi signals from entering your house. Is there a way to do so? Can you jam them?I use a cable modem, not wifi, but all my neighbors have wifi. Ideas?

Josh

In a message dated 3/9/2009 2:24:31 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
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I know people have posted a lot about the impact of wireless internet on
health, but I haven't seen any postings about how to potentially block wifi
signals from entering your house. Is there a way to do so? Can you jam them? I
use a cable modem, not wifi, but all my neighbors have wifi. Ideas?

Josh



Trace the emissions and sheild with foil, emf fabric etc, sounds simple but
you have to be thorough, bed canopy to sheild you at night etc... you could
buy a faulty sattelite/digi box and plug it in when you are out this would
send signals via the mains/telecoms that can knock out the wifi, and is not
illegal.


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Hello Paul,
you wrote:

*buy a faulty sattelite/digi box*

What is that??
Who is selling them?
What do you mean by faulty?

*and plug it in when you are out. this would
send signals via the mains/telecoms that can knock out the wifi, *

How does that work?
Why would this faulty box send jamming signals to the neighbours?
And what signals are we talking about?

*and is not illegal.*

If your electrical equipment is faulty, and is disturbing your neighbours
equipment, you are liable for complaints and damages to pay.
(If it can be proven.)

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender




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To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi

Hi, Josh,
 
Thick evergreen trees--as tall as your house or taller (the taller the better)--will help block wifi and cell tower emissions, especially when plantedin a long row touching each other (so there is better coverage).  I do quite well behind these trees in high emf areas.  And there has been research also to prove this is the case--meters also read lower behind thick evergreens.  It is better to plant these away from your house, if you can, rather than right next to it (for various reasons, not just emf reasons). But, other than that, that was the question I asked previous to yours--arethere other ways to deal with emfs in the atmosphere?  It is not always possible to plant huge evergreens for emf protection, but other than personal polarizers, particular gemstones which collect energies in general (suchas clear quartz, moonstone, amber, and some say, mother of pearl...), placing bottles of water in front of you (works in some applications),
aluminum foil in particular applications, some emf blocking fabrics, metalscreening (in some capacities), are there ways of blocking out wifi on a large scale--things which work for your entire property, other than little fixes?  All of the things I have just mentioned, other than the trees, arefixes that are only partial helpful.  And, I suspect the trees might only be partially helpful in many applications.  I would like to block both electrosmog and ground currents at my property line (realizing that this might be a pipe-dream). 
 
Also, in case you haven't been following along recently, Marc sent me alist of "emf transformers" the week before last to put on your electrical wiring (and in your car, etc) which will help with transforming electrosmog(I don't have personal experience with this yet--these do not always help all es people from what I understand, so there is alot of experimentation involved).  These also have to be used with the other remediations I have just mentioned. They are not totally blocking either.  I am looking for something that will work also outside in my gardens--and the trees do that, but take a long time to grow tall.  That said, one could get fairly good cover in about 5 years if they selected the right trees.  (But you need something in the meantime--bamboo also would work temporarily, but youcould only plant it in pots, as most areas (at least in Pa.) outlaw planting bamboo in the ground.)
 
Diane

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Subject: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 2:16 AM






I know people have posted a lot about the impact of wireless internet on health, but I haven't seen any postings about how to potentially block wifi signals from entering your house. Is there a way to do so? Can you jam them?I use a cable modem, not wifi, but all my neighbors have wifi. Ideas?

Josh

















     

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Hi, Paul,
 
But wouldn't this create a magnetic field in your house while you are gone?  I have found from experimentation that even unplugging all appliances that are unpluggable help with avoiding magnetic fields.  Once my hubby plugged in a cell phone charger while we were gone and I didn't know it.  He unplugged it as soon as we got home, but I reacted to it immediately whenI entered the room where he had it plugged in.  He was amazed I could tell something had been plugged in--it made a true believer out of him.  Another time, he plugged in an oil filled heater in a bedroom above me.  I could feel the magnetic current around the electrical socket in the room I was in immediately and called up to him to see what he had just done.  It takes a couple hours before the emfs clear out then afterward.
 
Diane

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Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 10:33 AM







In a message dated 3/9/2009 2:24:31 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
jkurlant1@hotmail. com writes:

I know people have posted a lot about the impact of wireless internet on
health, but I haven't seen any postings about how to potentially block wifi
signals from entering your house. Is there a way to do so? Can you jam them? I
use a cable modem, not wifi, but all my neighbors have wifi. Ideas?

Josh

Trace the emissions and sheild with foil, emf fabric etc, sounds simple but
you have to be thorough, bed canopy to sheild you at night etc... you could
buy a faulty sattelite/digi box and plug it in when you are out this would
send signals via the mains/telecoms that can knock out the wifi, and is not
illegal.

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> It takes a couple hours before the emfs to clear out then afterward.

I think the EMF clears out immediately after you turn something
off. However, it may take a couple hours (or even days) for
your body to recover from the exposure.

Marc

Hi, Marc,
 
Is this true of magnetic fields too?  I should have worded it differently, because I meant that I could feel the magnetic field around the socket and in the room after they were unplugged.  (Otherwise how did I react to the unplugging of the cell phone charger after it was unplugged?  I was not in the room while it was on.)  I sense magnetic fields around electrical wires and sockets and things like my DSL router/ethernet cables/etc for an hour or more after they are off sometimes--depends alot on how long they were hooked up to begin with.  Same is true with passing trains--I react to them for 10 to 20 mins later--it depends on the train; they do not all affect me the same amount.  But these are feelings which go away immediately when I leave the areas they are in. 
 
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/9/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 2:20 PM






> It takes a couple hours before the emfs to clear out then afterward.

I think the EMF clears out immediately after you turn something
off. However, it may take a couple hours (or even days) for
your body to recover from the exposure.

Marc
















     

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> I sense magnetic
> fields around electrical wires and sockets and things like my DSL
> router/ethernet cables/etc for an hour or more after they are off

I think that an EMF meter would show an instant drop in the magnetic
field once an item is turned off. However, you certainly could
be sensing "something" after it is turned off... maybe a residual
scalar field, lack of quantum coherence, etc.

Marc

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
Hi Diane

I just read your email to Marc and I'm wondering if you are reacting to theenergetic disruption left after the emf itself has cleared out - it won't be a measureable emf field but more like a enegetic residue - this happenswith other energies - for example if a person is very angry or fearful a disturbance will be felt in the room long after they have left - and may be picked up by a sensitive person - this happens to me and I don't see why itwouldn't happen with other kinds of energies too if you are especially sensitive. I know this is a bit "left field" but its just an idea and might help.

All the best
Joyce>

> I just read your email to Marc and I'm wondering if you are reacting to
> the energetic disruption left after the emf itself has cleared out - it
> won't be a measurable emf field but more like a energetic residue

On a different (but related) subject, I once asked the folks at
Quantum Products if there was any residual effect from their products
after they are turned off. This was their reply:

"Thank you for your question. If you leave the Quantum Pro plugged
in and turned on in an area for a few days and then take it away,
there can be some lingering coherent effect that will gradually
fade away over a week or two as the chaotic effect of the more
rigid electricity begins to dominate again."

So there is a lingering effect with the Quantum Products, but this
is not what we would normally call "EMF" or a "magnetic field".

Marc

OIC, Marc! 
 
Thanks for the info--I just assumed it was magnetic, because I am fairly clueless.  ;)  And I only know what I have learned here and in my readingon the subject (and most of that I have forgotten!  lol)  Apparently Ihave not gotten to the books on scalar fields.... 
 
Thanks, Marc,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/9/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 2:54 PM






> I sense magnetic
> fields around electrical wires and sockets and things like my DSL
> router/ethernet cables/etc for an hour or more after they are off

I think that an EMF meter would show an instant drop in the magnetic
field once an item is turned off. However, you certainly could
be sensing "something" after it is turned off... maybe a residual
scalar field, lack of quantum coherence, etc.

Marc
















     

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Hi, Joyce,
 
Interesting!  I can sometimes pick up on vibes from people too, sometimes I feel like it is still present after people leave the room, but I thought that was because I took on part of their emotions.  I am finding the subject of "subtle energies" fascinating.  I just recently started readingabout this--about the memory in water molecules, how organ transplants can confer donor traits to the organ recipients....  Prior science couldnot measure or assess these energies and now they often can--things we would never have believed in a million years and we would have wrote off as imaginary to anyone expressing those ideas are now provable.  It is amazing, isn't it?  Thanks for your insights. 
 
Diane

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Subject: [eSens] Re: blocking wifi
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--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote:
Hi Diane

I just read your email to Marc and I'm wondering if you are reacting to theenergetic disruption left after the emf itself has cleared out - it won't be a measureable emf field but more like a enegetic residue - this happens with other energies - for example if a person is very angry or fearful a disturbance will be felt in the room long after they have left - and may be picked up by a sensitive person - this happens to me and I don't see why it wouldn't happen with other kinds of energies too if you are especially sensitive. I know this is a bit "left field" but its just an idea and might help.

All the best
Joyce>

















     

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Hmmmm, Marc, 
 
Interesting, too.  I am not sure I understand this whole line of info, tho--are these fields different frequencies, on a continuing spectrum of frequencies? Or are they different entities--for lack of a better term--altogether?  Are they not measurable because they are not frequencies, or is it that meters do not yet exist which measure them?  

--- On Mon, 3/9/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 3:13 PM






> I just read your email to Marc and I'm wondering if you are reacting to
> the energetic disruption left after the emf itself has cleared out - it
> won't be a measurable emf field but more like a energetic residue

On a different (but related) subject, I once asked the folks at
Quantum Products if there was any residual effect from their products
after they are turned off. This was their reply:

"Thank you for your question. If you leave the Quantum Pro plugged
in and turned on in an area for a few days and then take it away,
there can be some lingering coherent effect that will gradually
fade away over a week or two as the chaotic effect of the more
rigid electricity begins to dominate again."

So there is a lingering effect with the Quantum Products, but this
is not what we would normally call "EMF" or a "magnetic field".

Marc
















     

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> Interesting, too. I am not sure I understand this whole line of info,
> tho--are these fields different frequencies, on a continuing spectrum of
> frequencies? Or are they different entities--for lack of a better
> term--altogether? Are they not measurable because they are not
> frequencies, or is it that meters do not yet exist which measure them?

I don't really know. I've tried reading stuff online about Quantum
Physics / Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Coherence, but I never get
very far...

But I suspect that if this is something that people can feel, then
someday there will be a meter which can measure "it". And for all
I know, such a meter already exists? For example, has anyone tried
using a "Ghost Detector" to see if it correlates with ES symptoms?

http://www.amazon.com/The-Ghost-Meter-EMF-Sensor/dp/B000ZH7G1E

Marc

The Ghost Detector is an AC gaussmeter.

Emil

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From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: blocking wifi

> The Ghost Detector is an AC gaussmeter.

Ahh, thanks -- so there are no fancy "ghost frequencies"... :-)

Marc

In a message dated 3/9/2009 6:54:51 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I sense magnetic
> fields around electrical wires and sockets and things like my DSL
> router/ethernet cables/etc for an hour or more after they are off

I think that an EMF meter would show an instant drop in the magnetic
field once an item is turned off. However, you certainly could
be sensing "something" after it is turned off... maybe a residual
scalar field, lack of quantum coherence, etc.



There is also the issue of being in a flight or fight state or in a state of
heightened awareness due to the stimulation positive or negative from the
focus point, your mind and body will no dought take time to come down, at this
point you should perhaps consider re-centering yourself with exersise,
relaxation...

PUK


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In a message dated 3/9/2009 6:17:40 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
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Once my hubby plugged in a cell phone charger while we were gone and I
didn't know it. He unplugged it as soon as we got home, but I reacted to it
immediately when I entered the room where he had it plugged in.


puk replies - Sounds like a classic case of offgassing, since those nasty
cheap transformers are douse in flame retards and plastics you might well be
reacting to this. It makes sense to me that emf and chemical reactions are
stored in immune/neurological systems in a very close proximity so as to cause a
similar reaction to each other, lets face it often where there is
electronics there will be offgassing of chems, so the body is grouping them together as
agitants. You know what I am trying to say...


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In a message dated 3/9/2009 6:06:05 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
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I am looking for something that will work also outside in my gardens--and
the trees do that, but take a long time to grow tall. That


A massive metal fence as tall as a tree grounded to a metal box the size of
your house buried about 10 meters below the ground at least 50m away from
anywhere you rest, - on the NEXTUP website there is a photo of a similar attempt
to sheild.


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In a message dated 3/9/2009 3:39:13 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Hello Paul,
you wrote:

*buy a faulty sattelite/digi box*

What is that??
Who is selling them?
What do you mean by faulty?



It seems some sattelite receiver boxes have a problem, this does not seem to
affect their operation but the first someone knows of it is when the
neighbour or someone a mile away complains that their wifi is breaking up. It may
be a fualty RF modulator thing in the box or non filterd circuitry say on the
power supply. This is what is happening to me an a daily basis as per the
sound files I sent you. Bassically you would have find a faulty box by
requesting one from someone who has found that they have one. British Telcom has a
department to deal with this problem known as the rein dept. Sky recently
recalled 90,000 satelitte boxes for some reason ?



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