blocking wifi

Thanks, Paul,
 
I hadn't thought of that--it isn't an option for most of my yard, tho, since we have ordinances here which would prohibit such a fence.  But, I might be able to do a partial fence in the back of the property.
 
Thanks again,
Diane

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Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 4:12 AM







In a message dated 3/9/2009 6:06:05 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
evie15422@yahoo. com writes:

I am looking for something that will work also outside in my gardens--and
the trees do that, but take a long time to grow tall. That

A massive metal fence as tall as a tree grounded to a metal box the size of
your house buried about 10 meters below the ground at least 50m away from
anywhere you rest, - on the NEXTUP website there is a photo of a similar attempt
to sheild.

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The openings in this wire netting may be maximum 1/2 ", freferably smaller.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Evie" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi


Thanks, Paul,

I hadn't thought of that--it isn't an option for most of my yard, tho, since
we have ordinances here which would prohibit such a fence. But, I might be
able to do a partial fence in the back of the property.

Thanks again,
Diane

--- On Tue, 3/10/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 4:12 AM







In a message dated 3/9/2009 6:06:05 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
evie15422@yahoo. com writes:

I am looking for something that will work also outside in my gardens--and
the trees do that, but take a long time to grow tall. That

A massive metal fence as tall as a tree grounded to a metal box the size of
your house buried about 10 meters below the ground at least 50m away from
anywhere you rest, - on the NEXTUP website there is a photo of a similar
attempt
to sheild.

Thanks so much, Charles!  I will look into that.
 
Diane

--- On Tue, 3/10/09, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 4:30 PM






On my HP I have also a Photograph at the bottom:
http://www.milieuzi ektes.nl/ Pagina168b. html

The openings in this wire netting may be maximum 1/2 ", freferably smaller.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Evie" <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi

Thanks, Paul,

I hadn't thought of that--it isn't an option for most of my yard, tho, since
we have ordinances here which would prohibit such a fence. But, I might be
able to do a partial fence in the back of the property.

Thanks again,
Diane

--- On Tue, 3/10/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 4:12 AM

In a message dated 3/9/2009 6:06:05 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
evie15422@yahoo. com writes:

I am looking for something that will work also outside in my gardens--and
the trees do that, but take a long time to grow tall. That

A massive metal fence as tall as a tree grounded to a metal box the size of
your house buried about 10 meters below the ground at least 50m away from
anywhere you rest, - on the NEXTUP website there is a photo of a similar
attempt
to sheild.

















     

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks, Marc,
 
Yes, it occurred to me how silly my question was after I posted it--supposedly everything that exists has a frequency, so even what is not yet measured does too!  ;)  I guess what my real question was is, are we always sure that all magnetic/emf frequencies are measureable?  When a meter shows emfs have stopped, is this truly reliable info or is it the meter justis not able to pick it up?  The reason I wondered this is because various people--doctors (not that they'd necessarily know) and building biologists (not that they would also necessarily know) have indicated to me that many es people may be more sensitive than meters can measure.  So I just assumed (that bad word again) that I was reacting to a magnetic field that wasnot measurable.  Is this a gray area or are we certain that when a meterno longer measures a reading that the frequency no longer exists at all?  We all here have a habit of giving opinions rather than hard facts, at
times, and I am asking is this hard fact?  (I am not putting down opinions---sometimes that is truly all there is at the moment to go on; I am just trying to learn more about emfs.)
 
Thanks,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/9/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 4:23 PM






> Interesting, too. I am not sure I understand this whole line of info,
> tho--are these fields different frequencies, on a continuing spectrum of
> frequencies? Or are they different entities--for lack of a better
> term--altogether? Are they not measurable because they are not
> frequencies, or is it that meters do not yet exist which measure them?

I don't really know. I've tried reading stuff online about Quantum
Physics / Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Coherence, but I never get
very far...

But I suspect that if this is something that people can feel, then
someday there will be a meter which can measure "it". And for all
I know, such a meter already exists? For example, has anyone tried
using a "Ghost Detector" to see if it correlates with ES symptoms?

http://www.amazon. com/The-Ghost- Meter-EMF- Sensor/dp/ B000ZH7G1E

Marc
















     

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> I guess what my real question was is, are
> we always sure that all magnetic/emf frequencies are measureable?

Maybe if we had as many meters as Charles does... :-) But even
then, there are probably super high frequencies/harmonics that are
not being measured...

> building biologists (not that they would also necessarily know) have
> indicated to me that many es people may be more sensitive than meters can
> measure.

That goes for more than just EMF -- I seem to have a nose for
natural gas leaks that is more acute than the gas detectors
at the natural gas company. They eventually find the problem,
but their detectors don't do them much good.

Marc

These are all good suggestions - but, my problem is that I'm renting this house, so I don't know I can do any landscaping work. Probably not. Has anyone had success with a Faraday cage when sleeping, so at least you heal while sleeping and can improve that way?

Josh

To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:55:24 -0700
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi




















   
Thanks so much, Charles! I will look into that.

 

Diane



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From: charles <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi

To: [hidden email]

Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 4:30 PM



On my HP I have also a Photograph at the bottom:

http://www.milieuzi ektes.nl/ Pagina168b. html



The openings in this wire netting may be maximum 1/2 ", freferably smaller.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Evie" <evie15422@yahoo. com>

To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>

Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:10 PM

Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi



Thanks, Paul,



I hadn't thought of that--it isn't an option for most of my yard, tho, since

we have ordinances here which would prohibit such a fence. But, I might be

able to do a partial fence in the back of the property.



Thanks again,

Diane



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From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 4:12 AM



In a message dated 3/9/2009 6:06:05 P.M. GMT Standard Time,

evie15422@yahoo. com writes:



I am looking for something that will work also outside in my gardens--and

the trees do that, but take a long time to grow tall. That



A massive metal fence as tall as a tree grounded to a metal box the size of

your house buried about 10 meters below the ground at least 50m away from

anywhere you rest, - on the NEXTUP website there is a photo of a similar

attempt

to sheild.



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My experience with a silver lined fabric faraday is/was mixed. I felt  
the presence of the radio/electrical energy around me even though the  
meters said the overall exposure was less.
I had it grounded and when I would touch the fabric, my body voltage  
would go to pretty much zero, meaning the grounding was working.
Here is the big but. My sense was that earth currents or ground  
electrical charges were coming into the fabric as well as I thought the  
whole thing acted like an antenna array attracting energy to me.
After moving away from that house (lots of towers nearby and bad house  
wiring), now 2 houses later, I had the bedroom painted with copper  
paint when I moved in and grounded it. The walls became radiant with E  
fields. Yes when I would touch the wall my body voltage would go to nil  
but when sleeping by it, my body voltage would increase as currents  
would rush through me. I felt like the room attracted and focused the  
outside energy around me and I felt worse than in a regular room.
I think there needs to be a mixture of fabric or materials involved  
that absorbs as well as block. I wish I had the money to build an  
underground stone bunker. My current basement isn't fully concrete all  
around and isn't finished. I guess I could finish it with concrete  
walls, brick or something ($10,000+) My fault for not holding out for a  
huge underground basement when we picked another house.

There are very expensive square tents made for about $6-10,000 that  
supposedly block microwave radiation and are used in the military and I  
have seen rooms made of steel and other metals that are expensive. I  
think getting underground is going to be the goal for me to get away  
from the higher frequencies.

Don't know yet about the ground frequencies and earth currents that are  
filled with return currents to the power substations.

Depending on your situation, a Faraday cage may make it better (I  
travel with it in hotels sometimes). Overall, having something that is  
close to the body, is not a permanent or best solution. I wish I could  
say something else that is better other than go underground.
I am still looking, learning, and hoping to recover faster than having  
to dig a hole to live in. I am counting on the recovery angle right  
now.

Andrew


On Mar 10, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Joshua Kurlantzick wrote:

I had the bedroom painted with copper
paint when I moved in and grounded it. The walls became radiant with E
fields. Yes when I would touch the wall my body voltage would go to nil
but when sleeping by it, my body voltage would increase as currents
would rush through me. I felt like the room attracted and focused the
outside energy around me and I felt worse than in a regular room.

Hi Andrew,

Please remember that electric field is the voltage difference between 2
locations (that is why the unit for electric field is volts per meter). If
one shields and grounds 4 walls and a ceiling, then those surfaces will all
have the same voltage as ground. But, if there is a source of voltage INSIDE
the room, or on/below the unshielded floor, then there will be a voltage
difference (E-field) between the shield and that voltage source. Because the
grounded shield is now closer to the source than the Earth was (in the
unshielded state) the electric field is actually greater. Remember, in V/m
if you decrease distance (m), you increase the value of V/m.

In summary, moving the shield (ground) closer to the voltage causes an
increase in electric field... even though there is no change in the voltage.

There are two ways around this:
1] make sure the shield is a complete enclosure
2] make sure there are no sources of voltage inside the shield or near the
unshielded openings.

(By the way, electric outlets in a room with shielded walls will produce
very high electric fields... unless you shield the outlets or turn off the
power).

Emil

Hi, Andrew,
 
I know where you are coming from--and I too am keen on getting to the recovery end, even tho I am not really that bad most of the time now.  I have been thinking of sleeping in my basement in our new house, too.  The basement there has glass block windows on one side and so it is quite light in the day and not necessarily totally blocking out all emfs.  I have spent alot of time there in the day--not lying down, tho, which I have found tooften present different problems--and it feels quite peaceful, es-wise. There is a mold problem in an enclosed room in that basement, so I would have to get to the bottom of that before trying sleeping there.  I also did some experiments with essential oils there--the oil "theives oil" really made the basement feel good--hard to explain, but it did alot more than just add fragrance.  It had a good "vibe" to it and knocked the harsh edge, for lack of better terminology, off of the basement feel.  This basement
is totally concrete walls and floor with a wood ceiling.  I also tried ahydrogen peroxide generator there, but the vibes from it were not good--very harsh.  I unfortunately didn't use it long enough to kill all the moldthere, as it came back.  But it did help with the mold when I tried it.  (I suspect tho, if anyone tries killing mold with one of these, it is better not to be present at all and run it for over a month non-stop.)  You can get these from building biologists to try for a month.
 
Thanks for the heads up on the metal fixes, Andrew.  I hope you don't ever have to try your stone hideaway--hope healing comes soon.  ;)
 
Diane

--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 8:14 AM






My experience with a silver lined fabric faraday is/was mixed. I felt
the presence of the radio/electrical energy around me even though the
meters said the overall exposure was less.
I had it grounded and when I would touch the fabric, my body voltage
would go to pretty much zero, meaning the grounding was working.
Here is the big but. My sense was that earth currents or ground
electrical charges were coming into the fabric as well as I thought the
whole thing acted like an antenna array attracting energy to me.
After moving away from that house (lots of towers nearby and bad house
wiring), now 2 houses later, I had the bedroom painted with copper
paint when I moved in and grounded it. The walls became radiant with E
fields. Yes when I would touch the wall my body voltage would go to nil
but when sleeping by it, my body voltage would increase as currents
would rush through me. I felt like the room attracted and focused the
outside energy around me and I felt worse than in a regular room.
I think there needs to be a mixture of fabric or materials involved
that absorbs as well as block. I wish I had the money to build an
underground stone bunker. My current basement isn't fully concrete all
around and isn't finished. I guess I could finish it with concrete
walls, brick or something ($10,000+) My fault for not holding out for a
huge underground basement when we picked another house.

There are very expensive square tents made for about $6-10,000 that
supposedly block microwave radiation and are used in the military and I
have seen rooms made of steel and other metals that are expensive. I
think getting underground is going to be the goal for me to get away
from the higher frequencies.

Don't know yet about the ground frequencies and earth currents that are
filled with return currents to the power substations.

Depending on your situation, a Faraday cage may make it better (I
travel with it in hotels sometimes). Overall, having something that is
close to the body, is not a permanent or best solution. I wish I could
say something else that is better other than go underground.
I am still looking, learning, and hoping to recover faster than having
to dig a hole to live in. I am counting on the recovery angle right
now.

Andrew

On Mar 10, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Joshua Kurlantzick wrote:

















     

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HalloI,
from my resarch through elekctroacupuncture I came across some phenomena  
that can explain this lingering effect after removing an electromsog  
neutralizing device.
 
In the vicinity of a mobile station not only the people ar affected but also
all material is infected with that biological negative vibration from  
electrosmog. I could measure this taking leaves and fruits from trees in the  
vicinity of mobile stations and also earth and stones and rain water. They are  
neagtively charged depending on the distance from this station.
 
Now, if you install an electrosmog neutralizing device at this mobile  
station, this negative charge disappears within minutes and turns positve. If you
then remove the neutralizing device, the positive charge remains sometimes for
months in the fruits due to their water content, and much shorter in the
lime stones in the ground.
 
If you take such an apple home, fix it to your mobile phone and put it on,
it will do no harm to you. It means this apple has in its water strucure an  
information that in itself is electrosmog neutralizing.
 
You may beleave it or not. I have used this phenomenon creatively in other  
applications that seem to look quite different, with success.
 
Clearly this can not be explained by the physics of radiowaves as it is  
thought today. And so most people will disagree. It can on the other side very  
well be explained through the existence of scalar waves or Tesla waves and their
specific qualities. But for the general public and science today these waves
do not exist. And therefore we continue to search for an solution of the  
electromsog problem.
 
dietrich gruen
 
 
 
n einer eMail vom 09.03.2009 21:24:15 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
[hidden email]:

 
> Interesting, too. I am not sure I understand this whole line of info,
> tho--are these fields different frequencies, on a continuing spectrum of
> frequencies? Or are they different entities--for lack of a better
> term--altogether? Are they not measurable because they are not
> frequencies, or is it that meters do not yet exist which measure them?

I don't really know. I've tried reading stuff online about Quantum
Physics / Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Coherence, but I never get  
very far...

But I suspect that if this is something that people can feel, then
someday there will be a meter which can measure "it". And for all
I know, such a meter already exists? For example, has anyone tried
using a "Ghost Detector" to see if it correlates with ES symptoms?

_http://www.amazon.http://www.amahttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://www_ 
(http://www.amazon.com/The-Ghost-Meter-EMF-Sensor/dp/B000ZH7G1E)

Marc





 


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In a message dated 3/17/2009 11:19:52 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

If you take such an apple home, fix it to your mobile phone and put it on,
it will do no harm to you. It means this apple has in its water strucure an
information that in itself is electrosmog neutralizing.



Yeah they have already done this its called the Apple I-Phone

lol.. PUK


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Hi Diane
 
This explains my problems then.On 2 fronts.
 
Last week my sister brought her 2 kids to stay with us for a couple of days.. lovely to see them but they brought with them 2 Nintendo DS consoles, a portable DVD player, an IPhone [to which I had the strongest unpleasant reaction] and an Ipod - at one stage all of these were plugged in to various sockets of the house to charge up. My pain levels rocketed up and stayed there and didn't come down until after they left. The night they arrived, eventhought I specifically requested that any overnight charging of electricalgoods be done in the room at the opposite end of the house to where I am sleeping, my sister charged the portable DVD player in the socket adjoining my bedroom wall. I was awake the whole night - I could feel it. But I couldn' t say anything about it because the fact that I am ES just isn't talked about.
 
Then in the middle of last week someone was watching the big toshiba TV in the room above mine before bedtime - again I was awake the whole night.
 
Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 


--- On Mon, 9/3/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, 9 March, 2009, 6:16 PM






Hi, Paul,
 
But wouldn't this create a magnetic field in your house while you are gone?  I have found from experimentation that even unplugging all appliances that are unpluggable help with avoiding magnetic fields.  Once my hubby plugged in a cell phone charger while we were gone and I didn't know it.  He unplugged it as soon as we got home, but I reacted to it immediately whenI entered the room where he had it plugged in.  He was amazed I could tell something had been plugged in--it made a true believer out of him.  Another time, he plugged in an oil filled heater in a bedroom above me.  I could feel the magnetic current around the electrical socket in the room I was in immediately and called up to him to see what he had just done.  It takes a couple hours before the emfs clear out then afterward.
 
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/9/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 10:33 AM

In a message dated 3/9/2009 2:24:31 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
jkurlant1@hotmail. com writes:

I know people have posted a lot about the impact of wireless internet on
health, but I haven't seen any postings about how to potentially block wifi
signals from entering your house. Is there a way to do so? Can you jam them? I
use a cable modem, not wifi, but all my neighbors have wifi. Ideas?

Josh

Trace the emissions and sheild with foil, emf fabric etc, sounds simple but
you have to be thorough, bed canopy to sheild you at night etc... you could
buy a faulty sattelite/digi box and plug it in when you are out this would
send signals via the mains/telecoms that can knock out the wifi, and is not
illegal.

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In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?



Do some exersise in the fresh air..........


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Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling--I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords.  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference--I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances--just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very bad symptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM







In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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Hi, Dietrich,
 
Thanks so much for this information!  Very interesting! 
 
Re the apple neutralizing electrosmog near a telephone:  does the fruitthat is affected taste different because of the emfs it carries?  Do youknow whether the effects of eating this fruit is good or bad?  Sorry, I know you experiment with such things so I thought you might know.  If theapple neutralizes electrosmog in the telephone, does it do similar things or not in the body?  The reason I ask is I have been advised to drink spring water that has been subjected to emfs.  But when I tried it, it made me gag and choke and I hated the taste of it (and, altho I didn't try doing it more than once, I didn't notice a difference in a good way to the original bottle I tried!)  To me it tasted like dirty dishwater--totally lifeless.  So I was wondering if this reaction differed from es person to es person.  (Or is the idea that this helps urban legend?)
 
Also, I buy local spring water by the case and I notice there is always 1 bottle in the case (or sometimes 2) which make me choke and gag, as well, and which I think taste bad.   I finally realized this is probably the bottle(s) where the UPC code is and where the clerk waves her decoder over for the price to register!  (I think--this is a fairly recent discovery and might take a couple more cases till I am sure.)  So I am wondering, is this good or bad?  Does it make a difference health-wise?  And if so--what does this say about our food supply??? 
 
Thanks so much, Dietrich;  I appreciate your posts of your experiments,
Diane

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From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 7:18 PM







HalloI,
from my resarch through elekctroacupuncture I came across some phenomena
that can explain this lingering effect after removing an electromsog
neutralizing device.

In the vicinity of a mobile station not only the people ar affected but also
all material is infected with that biological negative vibration from
electrosmog. I could measure this taking leaves and fruits from trees in the
vicinity of mobile stations and also earth and stones and rain water. They are
neagtively charged depending on the distance from this station.

Now, if you install an electrosmog neutralizing device at this mobile
station, this negative charge disappears within minutes and turns positve. If you
then remove the neutralizing device, the positive charge remains sometimes for
months in the fruits due to their water content, and much shorter in the
lime stones in the ground.

If you take such an apple home, fix it to your mobile phone and put it on,
it will do no harm to you. It means this apple has in its water strucure an
information that in itself is electrosmog neutralizing.

You may beleave it or not. I have used this phenomenon creatively in other
applications that seem to look quite different, with success.

Clearly this can not be explained by the physics of radiowaves as it is
thought today. And so most people will disagree. It can on the other side very
well be explained through the existence of scalar waves or Tesla waves and their
specific qualities. But for the general public and science today these waves
do not exist. And therefore we continue to search for an solution of the
electromsog problem.

dietrich gruen



n einer eMail vom 09.03.2009 21:24:15 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
marc@ufoseries. com:

> Interesting, too. I am not sure I understand this whole line of info,
> tho--are these fields different frequencies, on a continuing spectrum of
> frequencies? Or are they different entities--for lack of a better
> term--altogether? Are they not measurable because they are not
> frequencies, or is it that meters do not yet exist which measure them?

I don't really know. I've tried reading stuff online about Quantum
Physics / Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Coherence, but I never get
very far...

But I suspect that if this is something that people can feel, then
someday there will be a meter which can measure "it". And for all
I know, such a meter already exists? For example, has anyone tried
using a "Ghost Detector" to see if it correlates with ES symptoms?

_http://www.amazon. http://www. amahttp:/ /wwwhttp: //wwwhttp: //www_
(http://www.amazon. com/The-Ghost- Meter-EMF- Sensor/dp/ B000ZH7G1E)

Marc

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> The reason I ask is I have been advised to drink
> spring water that has been subjected to emfs

Is this supposed be a homeopathic cure for your
EMF sensitivity? I know that I tried this once
myself, but it didn't have any effect on my
sensitivity.

Marc

Hi, Marc,
 
Yes, the homeopath suggested it, but I am unsure whether it is the same as a homeopathic remedy.  I also read it in a book on es--I think the "Powerwatch" book???  And a building biologist I know suggested it as well.  I didn't notice anything good either, Marc--felt like my body was slightly stressed and the choking and gaging did nothing positive for me.  ;)

Diane
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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 5:04 PM






> The reason I ask is I have been advised to drink
> spring water that has been subjected to emfs

Is this supposed be a homeopathic cure for your
EMF sensitivity? I know that I tried this once
myself, but it didn't have any effect on my
sensitivity.

Marc
















     

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You all are on the right track about hovering emf after all power is off.  Tree hugging is not a laughing matter, either.  It really is recommended, or just walking barefoot on dirt.  Another great boon is the conditioner that looks like a beeper.  Very portable and very useful.  My wifesometimes places it on top of her head for major attacks, like our famous speed radar cameras instituted by the state of Arizona as revenue generator.  This is one example that the govt doesnt give a damn about our health.
 


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Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:33 AM






Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords.  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very badsymptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

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From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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> Another great boon is the
> conditioner that looks like a beeper. Very portable and very useful.

What specific product are you referring to? The Quantum Companion,
or something else?

Marc

I was curious, too - that was the first thing that came to mind. Marc, this one (the Quantum "beeper" helps you, right?

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > Another great boon is the
> > conditioner that looks like a beeper. Very portable and very useful.
>
> What specific product are you referring to? The Quantum Companion,
> or something else?
>
> Marc
>