blocking wifi

> I was curious, too - that was the first thing that came to mind. Marc,
> this one (the Quantum "beeper" helps you, right?

Yes, the Quantum Companion is one of the various items I use. I find
it helpful, but I usually use it with something else (as I think the
Quantum Companion helps with EMF, but other devices help with energy
levels, immunity, etc.)

I think the other items sold by Quantum Products are "stronger", but
then you run the risk of them being "too strong" (for example, the
Quantum Pro can make me feel bad, but the Quantum companion isn't
strong enough to do that).

Marc

Hi, Mike,
 
You may not have known, but I have written a number of times about hugging or sitting on the roots of trees.  I just wanted you to know I was not making fun of the practice, but merely writing like I talk.  You do have toadmit the thought of it sounds abit funny.  But it works and I do it.
 
What is the name of the conditioner that your wife uses, Mike?  The "Personal Polarizer"?
 
Thanks,
Diane

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, angela england <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: angela england <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 11:58 AM






You all are on the right track about hovering emf after all power is off.  Tree hugging is not a laughing matter, either.  It really is recommended, or just walking barefoot on dirt.  Another great boon is the conditioner that looks like a beeper.  Very portable and very useful.  My wifesometimes places it on top of her head for major attacks, like our famous speed radar cameras instituted by the state of Arizona as revenue generator.  This is one example that the govt doesnt give a damn about our health.
 

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:33 AM

Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords.  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very badsymptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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What do you notice after walking in dirt or hugging that tree! I may just try this. Loni

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:27 PM






Hi, Mike,
 
You may not have known, but I have written a number of times about hugging or sitting on the roots of trees.  I just wanted you to know I was not making fun of the practice, but merely writing like I talk.  You do have toadmit the thought of it sounds abit funny.  But it works and I do it.
 
What is the name of the conditioner that your wife uses, Mike?  The "Personal Polarizer"?
 
Thanks,
Diane

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 11:58 AM

You all are on the right track about hovering emf after all power is off.  Tree hugging is not a laughing matter, either.  It really is recommended, or just walking barefoot on dirt.  Another great boon is the conditioner that looks like a beeper.  Very portable and very useful.  My wifesometimes places it on top of her head for major attacks, like our famous speed radar cameras instituted by the state of Arizona as revenue generator.  This is one example that the govt doesnt give a damn about our health.
 

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:33 AM

Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords.  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very badsymptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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Thanks for this Diane - I do try to get outside as much as weather and my symptoms permit, and that is usually where I feel best. There is a lovely wooded park near where I am staying at the moment and I try to go to it when I can, but the odd thing is that sometimes when I go into it I feel an almost instantaneous draining of energy as soon as I get onto the grass - and ihave to tell myself just to gently enjoy my surroundings because I don;t have the energy to do much more - I often find I can only walk short distances - maybe from a bench seat to a tree trunk and i am always having to sit down for spells - I wonder am I "discharging" too much and could that be what causes that feeling? I have also tried hugging trees but don't notice too much effects with that.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Mon, 23/3/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, 23 March, 2009, 5:33 PM






Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords..  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very bad symptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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Me too - could anyone post a link or something here to such a device?
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 24/3/09, rticleone <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: rticleone <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, 24 March, 2009, 7:40 PM






I was curious, too - that was the first thing that came to mind. Marc, thisone (the Quantum "beeper" helps you, right?

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > Another great boon is the
> > conditioner that looks like a beeper. Very portable and very useful.
>
> What specific product are you referring to? The Quantum Companion,
> or something else?
>
> Marc
>

















     

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> Me too - could anyone post a link or something here to such a device?

The one I'm using (and it certainly DOES look like a beeper) is
called a Quantum Companion:

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_companion.html

If you order this, they will give you a choice of color for
the case. I'd say pick the black one, as the plastic
is sturdier and lasts longer than the translucent ones.
I bought a black one 7 years ago and it's still holding up fine.
I then bought a translucent one a year ago, and the battery cover
broke within the first few months. So I then bought an
older black pager case on eBay and transferred the guts of the
newer Quantum Companion into the old, sturdier pager case.
I think the black cases are (were?) made by Motorola, while the
translucent cases are made by someone else.

Marc

In a message dated 3/25/2009 9:12:01 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?



you might like to try opening windows to let fresh air in this will
replenish the environment and change the chemical and ion contents within. Are you
MCS as well as this may be your problem with the lingering emfs, may well be
lingering chemicals.

Paul


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In a message dated 3/25/2009 5:33:33 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

What do you notice after walking in dirt or hugging that tree! I may just
try this. Loni



I have done this before and one thing that fasinates me is the sound that
the tree picks up you can here the vibrations if you put your ear to the trunk,
its quite spooky

paul


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Marc, would you mind differentiating between which devices you find most useful for energy, immunity, etc., opposed only to EMF?

Though, I assumed that in the case of a sensitive person, EMF can affect all these facets of biology (energy, immunity, etc.), so wouldn't a device which can help deal with EMF by extension, help with everything?

Best,

R.

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> Marc, would you mind differentiating between which devices you find most
> useful for energy, immunity, etc., opposed only to EMF?
>
> Though, I assumed that in the case of a sensitive person, EMF can affect
> all these facets of biology (energy, immunity, etc.), so wouldn't a
> device which can help deal with EMF by extension, help with everything?

Well yes, in theory... but some devices are better at certain things...
at least for me.

For example, my wife likes to go on 4-mile walks with the dog. My energy
levels aren't the greatest, so 4-mile walks can be difficult for me.
However, I have found that some devices give me more energy, and make
the walks easier. Specifically, Tachyon wristbands and the
Mega-Chi pendant are good for these walks.

Now, I find the Tachyon wristbands are good for my health in general,
as long as I'm away from major EMF sources. When I'm near a
major EMF source (e.g. the computer), these wristbands actually
make my sensitivity worse -- so I consider them to be a poor
solution for EMF protection. However, if I have a backache,
putting one on my back (with some packaging tape) will usually
eliminate the backache pretty fast.

The same thing applies to the Mega-Chi pendant. Great for energy
levels, but may cause some agitation in high EMF environments.
(I suppose some people may say "detox" instead of agitation).

Springlife Polarizers are kind of interesting. When I used CRT
monitors, these worked great for me around computers. Now that
I use LCD monitors, I think they actually make things worse. But
if I'm suffering from a cold or allergies, these things are
great for making me feel better.

Meanwhile, the Quantum Products are good for high EMF environments
-- I get good symptom relief around computers, TVs, florescent lights,
etc. But they do NOT give me more energy when I'm out walking
the dog. Nor are they going to help me get over a cold.

Now, I purchased all these items hoping they would make me feel
better around computers and florescent lights. But in the
course of my experimentation, I have found that some devices
don't work that well for this purpose, but they work well for
other things. And sometime I mix and match, because I may
want for example EMF protection plus have more energy, so some
combination of one thing and another will help with that.

Marc

How specifically did it help you with dealing with the computer? That's my biggest problem and the one I'm looking for help with,

Josh

To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:51:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: beeper type device




















   
> Marc, would you mind differentiating between which devices you find most

> useful for energy, immunity, etc., opposed only to EMF?

>

> Though, I assumed that in the case of a sensitive person, EMF can affect

> all these facets of biology (energy, immunity, etc.), so wouldn't a

> device which can help deal with EMF by extension, help with everything?



Well yes, in theory... but some devices are better at certain things...

at least for me.



For example, my wife likes to go on 4-mile walks with the dog. My energy

levels aren't the greatest, so 4-mile walks can be difficult for me.  

However, I have found that some devices give me more energy, and make

the walks easier. Specifically, Tachyon wristbands and the

Mega-Chi pendant are good for these walks.



Now, I find the Tachyon wristbands are good for my health in general,

as long as I'm away from major EMF sources. When I'm near a

major EMF source (e.g. the computer), these wristbands actually

make my sensitivity worse -- so I consider them to be a poor

solution for EMF protection. However, if I have a backache,

putting one on my back (with some packaging tape) will usually

eliminate the backache pretty fast.



The same thing applies to the Mega-Chi pendant. Great for energy

levels, but may cause some agitation in high EMF environments.

(I suppose some people may say "detox" instead of agitation).



Springlife Polarizers are kind of interesting. When I used CRT

monitors, these worked great for me around computers. Now that

I use LCD monitors, I think they actually make things worse. But

if I'm suffering from a cold or allergies, these things are

great for making me feel better.



Meanwhile, the Quantum Products are good for high EMF environments

-- I get good symptom relief around computers, TVs, florescent lights,

etc. But they do NOT give me more energy when I'm out walking

the dog. Nor are they going to help me get over a cold.



Now, I purchased all these items hoping they would make me feel

better around computers and florescent lights. But in the

course of my experimentation, I have found that some devices

don't work that well for this purpose, but they work well for

other things. And sometime I mix and match, because I may

want for example EMF protection plus have more energy, so some

combination of one thing and another will help with that.



Marc



 

     

   
   
       
       
       
       


       


       
       
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Yes, the conditioner is the Quantum companion.  I chose this one since the home model seemed to be for placing near a computer,  which we do not turn on at home.  I thought the portability was the most important part about it.  Mike

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 10:04 AM






> Another great boon is the
> conditioner that looks like a beeper. Very portable and very useful.

What specific product are you referring to? The Quantum Companion,
or something else?

Marc
















     

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> How specifically did it help you with dealing with the computer? That's
> my biggest problem and the one I'm looking for help with,

Put simply, use of right EMF protection devices can increase your tolerance
for the computer -- that is, enable you to use it for longer periods of
time without adverse symptoms (burning skin, nausea, fatigue, headache, etc.).

However, I have never found a device that magically solves the problem
all by itself. It is still helpful to adjust your diet in ways which
increase tolerance (increasing mineral intake, antioxidant intake,
fatty acid intake, etc.). It is still helpful to take supplements
which help even more. It is still helpful to limit the amount of
electricity in your environment, and move things as far away from
you as possible. It is still helpful to shop around and find
a computer that bothers you less than some of the "nasty" ones.

All of these measures add up. There was a time when I had to get
away from the computer after 5 minutes of use. Back then I was
on disability from work, because my work involved sitting in
front of a computer 8 hours a day. But now I'm back at that
job working full time, due to all of these various measures.

Marc

Hi, Diane,   I know you were ridiculing the practice of tree hugging, but I just wanted to make clear that it is not a whimsical practice but rather a practical treatment.  Of course, it's funny, I just did not want to dissuade others from trying it by making it sound like something out of centerfield.  This disease gets enough ridicule and disbelief.  Thank God,there are mainstream believers like the mayor of Broward.  I wish my wife's MD would at least attempt to have an open mind about it, but the Dr. is very skeptical.  Whatever.
 
The beeper I am referring to is the Quantum product recommended by Marc Martin.  It may not be very powerful, but my wife really depends on it for certain situations.  Thanks to Marc.  His suggestions are always on the mark, no pun intended.   Mike

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:27 PM






Hi, Mike,
 
You may not have known, but I have written a number of times about hugging or sitting on the roots of trees.  I just wanted you to know I was not making fun of the practice, but merely writing like I talk.  You do have toadmit the thought of it sounds abit funny.  But it works and I do it.
 
What is the name of the conditioner that your wife uses, Mike?  The "Personal Polarizer"?
 
Thanks,
Diane

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 11:58 AM

You all are on the right track about hovering emf after all power is off.  Tree hugging is not a laughing matter, either.  It really is recommended, or just walking barefoot on dirt.  Another great boon is the conditioner that looks like a beeper.  Very portable and very useful.  My wifesometimes places it on top of her head for major attacks, like our famous speed radar cameras instituted by the state of Arizona as revenue generator.  This is one example that the govt doesnt give a damn about our health.
 

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:33 AM

Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords.  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very badsymptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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Correction. I meant I know you were N0T ridiculing tree hugging. Mike
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: angela england <[hidden email]>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:52:20
To: <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi


Hi, Diane,   I know you were ridiculing the practice of tree hugging, but I just wanted to make clear that it is not a whimsical practice but rather a practical treatment.  Of course, it's funny, I just did not want to dissuade others from trying it by making it sound like something out of centerfield.  This disease gets enough ridicule and disbelief.  Thank God,there are mainstream believers like the mayor of Broward.  I wish my wife's MD would at least attempt to have an open mind about it, but the Dr. is very skeptical.  Whatever.
 
The beeper I am referring to is the Quantum product recommended by Marc Martin.  It may not be very powerful, but my wife really depends on it for certain situations.  Thanks to Marc.  His suggestions are always on the mark, no pun intended.   Mike

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:27 PM






Hi, Mike,
 
You may not have known, but I have written a number of times about hugging or sitting on the roots of trees.  I just wanted you to know I was not making fun of the practice, but merely writing like I talk.  You do have toadmit the thought of it sounds abit funny.  But it works and I do it.
 
What is the name of the conditioner that your wife uses, Mike?  The "Personal Polarizer"?
 
Thanks,
Diane

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 11:58 AM

You all are on the right track about hovering emf after all power is off.  Tree hugging is not a laughing matter, either.  It really is recommended, or just walking barefoot on dirt.  Another great boon is the conditioner that looks like a beeper.  Very portable and very useful.  My wifesometimes places it on top of her head for major attacks, like our famous speed radar cameras instituted by the state of Arizona as revenue generator.  This is one example that the govt doesnt give a damn about our health.
 

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:33 AM

Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords.  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very badsymptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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I'll try it Paul, thanks, Loni

--- On Wed, 3/25/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 3:40 PM







In a message dated 3/25/2009 5:33:33 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
loni326@yahoo. com writes:

What do you notice after walking in dirt or hugging that tree! I may just
try this. Loni

I have done this before and one thing that fasinates me is the sound that
the tree picks up you can here the vibrations if you put your ear to the trunk,
its quite spooky

paul

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Hi, Loni,
 
I notice feeling calmer, more peaceful, and less electrically "ramped-up" or charged.  (I am not having reactions in the areas where I ground myself--those atmospheres will not work for grounding.  In fact, you might pickup more electricity there rather than have it drain from you.)  When I ground myself, it also takes more time for me to react to emfs afterwards.
 
Diane 

--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 1:25 PM






What do you notice after walking in dirt or hugging that tree! I may just try this. Loni

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:27 PM

Hi, Mike,
 
You may not have known, but I have written a number of times about hugging or sitting on the roots of trees.  I just wanted you to know I was not making fun of the practice, but merely writing like I talk.  You do have toadmit the thought of it sounds abit funny.  But it works and I do it.
 
What is the name of the conditioner that your wife uses, Mike?  The "Personal Polarizer"?
 
Thanks,
Diane

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 11:58 AM

You all are on the right track about hovering emf after all power is off.  Tree hugging is not a laughing matter, either.  It really is recommended, or just walking barefoot on dirt.  Another great boon is the conditioner that looks like a beeper.  Very portable and very useful.  My wifesometimes places it on top of her head for major attacks, like our famous speed radar cameras instituted by the state of Arizona as revenue generator.  This is one example that the govt doesnt give a damn about our health.
 

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:33 AM

Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords.  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very badsymptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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Oh thanks Diane.
So if I stick my feet in the dirt (how long?) should my reaction to the fridge be less do you think? Worth a shot. Loni

--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 12:13 PM






Hi, Loni,
 
I notice feeling calmer, more peaceful, and less electrically "ramped-up" or charged.  (I am not having reactions in the areas where I ground myself--those atmospheres will not work for grounding.  In fact, you might pickup more electricity there rather than have it drain from you.)  When I ground myself, it also takes more time for me to react to emfs afterwards.
 
Diane 

--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 1:25 PM

What do you notice after walking in dirt or hugging that tree! I may just try this. Loni

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:27 PM

Hi, Mike,
 
You may not have known, but I have written a number of times about hugging or sitting on the roots of trees.  I just wanted you to know I was not making fun of the practice, but merely writing like I talk.  You do have toadmit the thought of it sounds abit funny.  But it works and I do it.
 
What is the name of the conditioner that your wife uses, Mike?  The "Personal Polarizer"?
 
Thanks,
Diane

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 11:58 AM

You all are on the right track about hovering emf after all power is off.  Tree hugging is not a laughing matter, either.  It really is recommended, or just walking barefoot on dirt.  Another great boon is the conditioner that looks like a beeper.  Very portable and very useful.  My wifesometimes places it on top of her head for major attacks, like our famous speed radar cameras instituted by the state of Arizona as revenue generator.  This is one example that the govt doesnt give a damn about our health.
 

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:33 AM

Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords.  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very badsymptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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Hi, Steph,
 
If you are not getting enough sleep at night and you are essentially running on adrenaline from being ramped-up on electricity all the time, then, yes, you will probably feel somewhat drained--but usually in a good way (like,you want to go home and sleep and you can do that when you get there and try it).  If you are feeling drained in a bad way, then it is likely that the park you are using to nurture you is a ground bed for emfs (usually).  That said, however, if you have ME (which you do!) then any little bit of exercise you get is robbing you of your strength.  Try walking backwards, Steph.  You may see that that is much easier for you to do!  When that happens, you have lymphatic, meridian, and other energy blockages.  You can actually, in that circumstance, do energy exercises to help you.  (The Energy Medicine book I mentioned awhile back.)  However, the way I deal with it personally is to do the exercises and also take calcium AEP and
pantethine with water. 
 
If you try this, remember that you have to start really small and buildup to the amount that I take.  When I first tried this, I had to getempty capsules and pull the calcium/pantethine caps apart and repack just a small amount of them to take--I built up to the recommended dosage over 2 months.  Otherwise I would get very ill on them.  This was a combo my nutritionist suggested for autonomic nervous system symptoms and lymphatic congestion.  (Understand that I equate CFS/ME with autonomic nervous system disregulation.  For me, they are one and the same; not unlike fibromyalgia for me is the exact same thing as lymphatic congestion/meridian blockage.) 
 
I take these--calcium AEP and pantethine (after I got up to a full pill without bad reaction of any kind)--every 20 mins until I can feel my blood pressure normalize.  It helps with fatigue, chills, sweats, heart palps and other autonomic symptoms.  But since for me, my bp usually plummets first, that is how I can stop energy crashing from the very beginning of its outset.  This and going completely gf has made it possible forme to control CFS/ME. 
 
Another thing which then gave me more energy was alkalizing and adding negative ionized hydrogen to my water (or taking hydrogen capsules).  It is the same principal, only cheaper, as taking Enada NADH.  When you take NADH or the hydrogen capsules (or the water) it helps your stamina to go walking right after taking them.  I struggled the first 12 mins after I started walking (and got bad chills) at first.  But when I perseveredI was rewarded eventually with more stamina--in otherwords, I could walk further than previously before having fatigue or an energy crash coming on.
 
I also devised ways to help me walk longer--I always carry water and sip it when I get tired or hot.  Back then, I also had a cooling sash (calleda "cooldana")--a scarf that you wet with water and wear around your neck, for when I began to sweat.  I found that overheating robbed me of energy and began to set of a series of other autonomic symptoms into motion.  Also, 2 other autonomic system symptoms which confounded my recovery were increased heart beat and getting out of breath.  I would walk 10 mins, be out of breath, and my heart would be beating like I had just come off of a 20mile marathon run!  lol  Finally, I mentioned this to my nutritionist who told me to just take baby steps.  So simple; to think that was all ittook!  lol  So, when I start losing my breath or my heart starts racing, I just slow down.  At first all I could do was inch along, literally--I went a few inches per step and sang a R-E-A-L-L-Y slow song to myself
walking to the beat.  But a year after that I was going a mile and a half/walk and 2 years later I was going 3 miles/walk.  I can now go hiking and biking, garden, and do things I was never even able to do when I wasa child!  (Kind of cool for a gal pushing 60, if I do say so myself!  ;)  )

Steph, it is possible that you can't feel the effects of grounding because your ME is still so bad.  Remember that it doesn't all come in a day, dear.  You will get there, tho.
 
My best to you,
Diane
--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 5:11 PM






Thanks for this Diane - I do try to get outside as much as weather and my symptoms permit, and that is usually where I feel best. There is a lovely wooded park near where I am staying at the moment and I try to go to it when I can, but the odd thing is that sometimes when I go into it I feel an almost instantaneous draining of energy as soon as I get onto the grass - and ihave to tell myself just to gently enjoy my surroundings because I don;t have the energy to do much more - I often find I can only walk short distances - maybe from a bench seat to a tree trunk and i am always having to sit down for spells - I wonder am I "discharging" too much and could that be what causes that feeling? I have also tried hugging trees but don't notice too much effects with that.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Mon, 23/3/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 23 March, 2009, 5:33 PM

Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords..  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very bad symptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

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From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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Hi, Paul,
 
Yes, I am MCS!  Never gave it a thought that it could be a chemical component!  Hmmm....
 
Thanks, Paul,
Diane 

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From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 6:36 PM







In a message dated 3/25/2009 9:12:01 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

you might like to try opening windows to let fresh air in this will
replenish the environment and change the chemical and ion contents within. Are you
MCS as well as this may be your problem with the lingering emfs, may well be
lingering chemicals.

Paul

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