blocking wifi

Oh, Paul and Steph,
 
  I didn't think to say it till I just sent this reply, but one thing that does help is to take a towel and hold it in both hands and swirl it in big figure 8s in the air!  I do this while turning in a circle--it is oneof the energy exercises I got out of the Energy Medicine book.  After I do this exercise, also, it feels like ALL emfs are lessened, as well as other "energies"--I can sometimes feel energies of people that bother me.  The day I began doing this exercise I felt under attack from another person's bad energy.  It felt like I had cleaned the air afterwards!
 
Diane

--- On Wed, 3/25/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 6:36 PM







In a message dated 3/25/2009 9:12:01 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

you might like to try opening windows to let fresh air in this will
replenish the environment and change the chemical and ion contents within. Are you
MCS as well as this may be your problem with the lingering emfs, may well be
lingering chemicals.

Paul

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Lol, Paul,
 
I have heard sounds too, but never thought they were from me--I will have to check that out!
 
Thanks!
Diane

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Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 6:40 PM







In a message dated 3/25/2009 5:33:33 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
loni326@yahoo. com writes:

What do you notice after walking in dirt or hugging that tree! I may just
try this. Loni

I have done this before and one thing that fasinates me is the sound that
the tree picks up you can here the vibrations if you put your ear to the trunk,
its quite spooky

paul

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Thanks, Mike,
 
I was not making fun; just being me--after people are here awhile they probably realize I am not a very sedate and serious person.  I am very serious when it comes to trying to help people and I think I might know somethingwhich helps (even if in the end what I suggest isn't any help--still I have tried!)  But, still, I am me and don't write it in such serious terms.  Tho I can see your point!
 
Thanks for answering my question re the Quantum Companion.
 
Diane

--- On Thu, 3/26/09, angela england <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: angela england <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 11:52 AM






Hi, Diane,   I know you were ridiculing the practice of tree hugging, but I just wanted to make clear that it is not a whimsical practice but rather a practical treatment.  Of course, it's funny, I just did not want to dissuade others from trying it by making it sound like something out of centerfield.  This disease gets enough ridicule and disbelief.  Thank God,there are mainstream believers like the mayor of Broward.  I wish my wife's MD would at least attempt to have an open mind about it, but the Dr. is very skeptical.  Whatever.
 
The beeper I am referring to is the Quantum product recommended by Marc Martin.  It may not be very powerful, but my wife really depends on it for certain situations.  Thanks to Marc.  His suggestions are always on the mark, no pun intended.   Mike

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:27 PM

Hi, Mike,
 
You may not have known, but I have written a number of times about hugging or sitting on the roots of trees.  I just wanted you to know I was not making fun of the practice, but merely writing like I talk.  You do have toadmit the thought of it sounds abit funny.  But it works and I do it.
 
What is the name of the conditioner that your wife uses, Mike?  The "Personal Polarizer"?
 
Thanks,
Diane

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 11:58 AM

You all are on the right track about hovering emf after all power is off.  Tree hugging is not a laughing matter, either.  It really is recommended, or just walking barefoot on dirt.  Another great boon is the conditioner that looks like a beeper.  Very portable and very useful.  My wifesometimes places it on top of her head for major attacks, like our famous speed radar cameras instituted by the state of Arizona as revenue generator.  This is one example that the govt doesnt give a damn about our health.
 

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:33 AM

Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords.  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very badsymptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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Hi again, Loni,
 
I usually sit and meditate (I try to clear my mind and think pleasant thoughts and/or meditate upon our Creator) when I ground myself.  I hug a tree when it is too wet or cold to sit on the ground.  I usually stay until I feel the electricity has all drained out, but it takes 20 to 40 mins usually for me.  If I don't feel anything positive going on in 20 mins, tho, I move to another location.  When I am done and I stand up, I feelreally relaxed yet invigorated.  Like a new me. 
 
Will it help with your fridge?  Well, probably not--you have to live with your fridge.  It will help going past cell and microwave towers along the highway.  But truthfully, you will begin picking up new electricityas soon as you get home and hang out next to the fridge.  (So do you seewhat I mean about grounding?  You are discharging the electricity and when you leave and enter a place with emfs, you begin to again take them on.  But it usually takes me awhile before I get to the threshhold where the symptoms begin again.) 
 
Oh, another thing you can do at home if you can't get out....  Take a stainless steel or silver butter knife and run it over the soles of your feet--from heel to toe.  (Actually I use the handle next to my feet and hold it by the blade.)  I have read that some people use a spoon instead of theknife.  Sometimes you can get the electricity in you to attach to the knife.  Aluminum foil can also collect a charge sometimes.  I have discolored the foil on occasion from it taking the charge from me!  Cool experiment.  lol  (It doesn't always work and I don't know why.)  I try this when I am really bad and feel like I might spontaneously erupt from electricity in me.  (Do you ever feel that way?)
 
Hope this helps you,
Diane

--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 4:05 PM






Oh thanks Diane.
So if I stick my feet in the dirt (how long?) should my reaction to the fridge be less do you think? Worth a shot. Loni

--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 12:13 PM

Hi, Loni,
 
I notice feeling calmer, more peaceful, and less electrically "ramped-up" or charged.  (I am not having reactions in the areas where I ground myself--those atmospheres will not work for grounding.  In fact, you might pickup more electricity there rather than have it drain from you.)  When I ground myself, it also takes more time for me to react to emfs afterwards.
 
Diane 

--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 1:25 PM

What do you notice after walking in dirt or hugging that tree! I may just try this. Loni

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:27 PM

Hi, Mike,
 
You may not have known, but I have written a number of times about hugging or sitting on the roots of trees.  I just wanted you to know I was not making fun of the practice, but merely writing like I talk.  You do have toadmit the thought of it sounds abit funny.  But it works and I do it.
 
What is the name of the conditioner that your wife uses, Mike?  The "Personal Polarizer"?
 
Thanks,
Diane

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 11:58 AM

You all are on the right track about hovering emf after all power is off.  Tree hugging is not a laughing matter, either.  It really is recommended, or just walking barefoot on dirt.  Another great boon is the conditioner that looks like a beeper.  Very portable and very useful.  My wifesometimes places it on top of her head for major attacks, like our famous speed radar cameras instituted by the state of Arizona as revenue generator.  This is one example that the govt doesnt give a damn about our health.
 

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:33 AM

Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords.  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very badsymptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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THanks Marc [and Mike] - isn't it somewhat ironic that part of the casingis made by, of all manufacturers, Motorola ? [LOL - or is it just me that is amused by that] do you find that this helps you in a wifi environment???
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Wed, 25/3/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, 25 March, 2009, 10:03 PM






> Me too - could anyone post a link or something here to such a device?

The one I'm using (and it certainly DOES look like a beeper) is
called a Quantum Companion:

http://quantumprodu cts.com/catalog/ quantum_companio n.html

If you order this, they will give you a choice of color for
the case. I'd say pick the black one, as the plastic
is sturdier and lasts longer than the translucent ones.
I bought a black one 7 years ago and it's still holding up fine.
I then bought a translucent one a year ago, and the battery cover
broke within the first few months. So I then bought an
older black pager case on eBay and transferred the guts of the
newer Quantum Companion into the old, sturdier pager case.
I think the black cases are (were?) made by Motorola, while the
translucent cases are made by someone else.

Marc
















     

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Hi Paul
 
THanks for this advice - i'll definitely try it- yup I am MCS but I reckon that its more likely to be EMFs than chemicals in my current environment.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Wed, 25/3/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, 25 March, 2009, 10:36 PM







In a message dated 3/25/2009 9:12:01 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

you might like to try opening windows to let fresh air in this will
replenish the environment and change the chemical and ion contents within. Are you
MCS as well as this may be your problem with the lingering emfs, may well be
lingering chemicals.

Paul

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> THanks Marc [and Mike] - isn't it somewhat ironic that part of the casing
> is made by, of all manufacturers, Motorola ?

Well, that's why it looks like a pager -- the case was meant for
a pager! Of course, since pagers aren't nearly as commonplace as they
once were, I suspect they'll have to change the case to something else
in the future...

> do you find that this helps you in a wifi environment???

Yes... I also think Springlife Polarizers also help me in Wi-Fi
environments... for me, Wi-Fi is not as bad as florescent lights
or computers, so it's a bit easier to compensate for.

Marc

Thanks Diane for this long and detailed and helpful post. I'd say that the Park I visit is probably failry low in EMFs - it is very large - set wellback from busy roads, in a semi rural area and is filled with very old andbeautiful trees - it is a tranquil place and, on my better days, I don't feel any of the vibrations there that I seem to be feeling all of the time everywhere else. I'd say that I do have problems though with my autonomic NSand my temperature regulation is all over the place. Good for you to have become so well that you can do all that walking at age 60 [as we say here "sure you are only a young thing!"].
 
Best wishes 
 
Steph

--- On Thu, 26/3/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 8:37 PM






Hi, Steph,
 
If you are not getting enough sleep at night and you are essentially running on adrenaline from being ramped-up on electricity all the time, then, yes, you will probably feel somewhat drained--but usually in a good way (like,you want to go home and sleep and you can do that when you get there and try it).  If you are feeling drained in a bad way, then it is likely that the park you are using to nurture you is a ground bed for emfs (usually).  That said, however, if you have ME (which you do!) then any little bit of exercise you get is robbing you of your strength.  Try walking backwards, Steph.  You may see that that is much easier for you to do!  When that happens, you have lymphatic, meridian, and other energy blockages.  You can actually, in that circumstance, do energy exercises to help you.  (The Energy Medicine book I mentioned awhile back.)  However, the way I deal with it personally is to do the exercises and also take calcium AEP and
pantethine with water. 
 
If you try this, remember that you have to start really small and buildup to the amount that I take.  When I first tried this, I had to getempty capsules and pull the calcium/pantethine caps apart and repack just a small amount of them to take--I built up to the recommended dosage over 2 months.  Otherwise I would get very ill on them.  This was a combo my nutritionist  suggested for autonomic nervous system symptoms and lymphatic congestion.  (Understand that I equate CFS/ME with autonomic nervous system disregulation.  For me, they are one and the same; not unlike fibromyalgia for me is the exact same thing as lymphatic congestion/meridian blockage.) 
 
I take these--calcium AEP and pantethine (after I got up to a full pill without bad reaction of any kind)--every 20 mins until I can feel my blood pressure normalize.  It helps with fatigue, chills, sweats, heart palps and other autonomic symptoms.  But since for me, my bp usually plummets first, that is how I can stop energy crashing from the very beginning of its outset.  This and going completely gf has made it possible forme to control CFS/ME. 
 
Another thing which then gave me more energy was alkalizing and adding negative ionized hydrogen to my water (or taking hydrogen capsules).  It is the same principal, only cheaper, as taking Enada NADH.  When you take NADH or the hydrogen capsules (or the water) it helps your stamina to go walking right after taking them.  I struggled the first 12 mins after I started walking (and got bad chills) at first.  But when I perseveredI was rewarded eventually with more stamina--in otherwords, I could walk further than previously before having fatigue or an energy crash coming on.
 
I also devised ways to help me walk longer--I always carry water and sip it when I get tired or hot.  Back then, I also had a cooling sash (calleda "cooldana")- -a scarf that you wet with water and wear around your neck,for when I began to sweat.  I found that overheating robbed me of energyand began to set of a series of other autonomic symptoms into motion.  Also, 2 other autonomic system symptoms which confounded my recovery were increased heart beat and getting out of breath.  I would walk 10 mins, be out of breath, and my heart would be beating like I had just come off of a 20 mile marathon run!  lol  Finally, I mentioned this to my nutritionistwho told me to just take baby steps.  So simple; to think that was all it took!  lol  So, when I start losing my breath or my heart starts racing, I just slow down.  At first all I could do was inch along, literally--I went a few inches per step and sang a R-E-A-L-L-Y slow song to myself
walking to the beat.  But a year after that I was going a mile and a half/walk and 2 years later I was going 3 miles/walk.  I can now go hiking and biking, garden, and do things I was never even able to do when I was a child!  (Kind of cool for a gal pushing 60, if I do say so myself!  ;)  )

Steph, it is possible that you can't feel the effects of grounding because your ME is still so bad.  Remember that it doesn't all come in a day, dear.  You will get there, tho.
 
My best to you,
Diane
--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 5:11 PM

Thanks for this Diane - I do try to get outside as much as weather and my symptoms permit, and that is usually where I feel best. There is a lovely wooded park near where I am staying at the moment and I try to go to it when I can, but the odd thing is that sometimes when I go into it I feel an almost instantaneous draining of energy as soon as I get onto the grass - and ihave to tell myself just to gently enjoy my surroundings because I don;t have the energy to do much more - I often find I can only walk short distances - maybe from a bench seat to a tree trunk and i am always having to sit down for spells - I wonder am I "discharging" too much and could that be what causes that feeling? I have also tried hugging trees but don't notice too much effects with that.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Mon, 23/3/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 23 March, 2009, 5:33 PM

Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords...  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very bad symptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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Ahh.
 
Fluorescent lights kill me too.
 
Steph

--- On Thu, 26/3/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 10:01 PM






> THanks Marc [and Mike] - isn't it somewhat ironic that part of the casing
> is made by, of all manufacturers, Motorola ?

Well, that's why it looks like a pager -- the case was meant for
a pager! Of course, since pagers aren't nearly as commonplace as they
once were, I suspect they'll have to change the case to something else
in the future...

> do you find that this helps you in a wifi environment? ??

Yes... I also think Springlife Polarizers also help me in Wi-Fi
environments. .. for me, Wi-Fi is not as bad as florescent lights
or computers, so it's a bit easier to compensate for.

Marc
















     

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Hi again, Loni,
 
Have you ever looked into getting a gas or propane fridge?  Forgive me ifI suggested this to you previously.   No freezer in them, but we can personally do without one--I'd keep my icecream at my mom's house and borrow a couple ice cubes from the neighbor.  lol  Seriously, the only frozen food I ever use are frozen peas and I like to make totally sugar and sweetener free frozen yogurt with homegrown fruit.  We very seldom useice cubes and I could just buy frozen peas when I wanted to use them. (Tho it would be hard, I could forgo the frozen yogurt and my waist would thank me for it!  lol)  My hubby gave away our freezer which was causing me to have es, and we save over $10 a month on our electric bill.  After he gave it away, I wished we had carted it off years ago!  When Iwas really ill, practically everything we ate came out of the freezer because I was too ill to cook, but now I make almost 100% fresh food from scratch. 
Everything tastes SOOO much better.  We save buying fresh food--even organic fresh food.  We used to buy food to freeze and lose it in the disorganized clutter until it was inedible when I stalked the freezer.  Some people might not be able to do without a freezer, but rethink your needs.  You may find that you can. 
 
Diane

--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 5:40 PM






Hi again, Loni,
 
I usually sit and meditate (I try to clear my mind and think pleasant thoughts and/or meditate upon our Creator) when I ground myself.  I hug a tree when it is too wet or cold to sit on the ground.  I usually stay until I feel the electricity has all drained out, but it takes 20 to 40 mins usually for me.  If I don't feel anything positive going on in 20 mins, tho, I move to another location.  When I am done and I stand up, I feelreally relaxed yet invigorated.  Like a new me. 
 
Will it help with your fridge?  Well, probably not--you have to live with your fridge.  It will help going past cell and microwave towers along the highway.  But truthfully, you will begin picking up new electricityas soon as you get home and hang out next to the fridge.  (So do you seewhat I mean about grounding?  You are discharging the electricity and when you leave and enter a place with emfs, you begin to again take them on.  But it usually takes me awhile before I get to the threshhold where the symptoms begin again.) 
 
Oh, another thing you can do at home if you can't get out....  Take a stainless steel or silver butter knife and run it over the soles of your feet--from heel to toe.  (Actually I use the handle next to my feet and hold it by the blade.)  I have read that some people use a spoon instead of theknife.  Sometimes you can get the electricity in you to attach to the knife.  Aluminum foil can also collect a charge sometimes.  I have discolored the foil on occasion from it taking the charge from me!  Cool experiment.  lol  (It doesn't always work and I don't know why.)  I try this when I am really bad and feel like I might spontaneously erupt from electricity in me.  (Do you ever feel that way?)
 
Hope this helps you,
Diane

--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 4:05 PM

Oh thanks Diane.
So if I stick my feet in the dirt (how long?) should my reaction to the fridge be less do you think? Worth a shot. Loni

--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 12:13 PM

Hi, Loni,
 
I notice feeling calmer, more peaceful, and less electrically "ramped-up" or charged.  (I am not having reactions in the areas where I ground myself--those atmospheres will not work for grounding.  In fact, you might pickup more electricity there rather than have it drain from you.)  When I ground myself, it also takes more time for me to react to emfs afterwards.
 
Diane 

--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 1:25 PM

What do you notice after walking in dirt or hugging that tree! I may just try this. Loni

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:27 PM

Hi, Mike,
 
You may not have known, but I have written a number of times about hugging or sitting on the roots of trees.  I just wanted you to know I was not making fun of the practice, but merely writing like I talk.  You do have toadmit the thought of it sounds abit funny.  But it works and I do it.
 
What is the name of the conditioner that your wife uses, Mike?  The "Personal Polarizer"?
 
Thanks,
Diane

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 11:58 AM

You all are on the right track about hovering emf after all power is off.  Tree hugging is not a laughing matter, either.  It really is recommended, or just walking barefoot on dirt.  Another great boon is the conditioner that looks like a beeper.  Very portable and very useful.  My wifesometimes places it on top of her head for major attacks, like our famous speed radar cameras instituted by the state of Arizona as revenue generator.  This is one example that the govt doesnt give a damn about our health.
 

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:33 AM

Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords.  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very badsymptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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lol, Thanks Steph! 
 
I will adopt that saying!
 
Diane

--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 6:13 PM






Thanks Diane for this long and detailed and helpful post. I'd say that the Park I visit is probably failry low in EMFs - it is very large - set wellback from busy roads, in a semi rural area and is filled with very old andbeautiful trees - it is a tranquil place and, on my better days, I don't feel any of the vibrations there that I seem to be feeling all of the time everywhere else. I'd say that I do have problems though with my autonomic NSand my temperature regulation is all over the place. Good for you to have become so well that you can do all that walking at age 60 [as we say here "sure you are only a young thing!"].
 
Best wishes 
 
Steph

--- On Thu, 26/3/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 8:37 PM

Hi, Steph,
 
If you are not getting enough sleep at night and you are essentially running on adrenaline from being ramped-up on electricity all the time, then, yes, you will probably feel somewhat drained--but usually in a good way (like,you want to go home and sleep and you can do that when you get there and try it).  If you are feeling drained in a bad way, then it is likely that the park you are using to nurture you is a ground bed for emfs (usually).  That said, however, if you have ME (which you do!) then any little bit of exercise you get is robbing you of your strength.  Try walking backwards, Steph.  You may see that that is much easier for you to do!  When that happens, you have lymphatic, meridian, and other energy blockages.  You can actually, in that circumstance, do energy exercises to help you.  (The Energy Medicine book I mentioned awhile back.)  However, the way I deal with it personally is to do the exercises and also take calcium AEP and
pantethine with water. 
 
If you try this, remember that you have to start really small and buildup to the amount that I take.  When I first tried this, I had to getempty capsules and pull the calcium/pantethine caps apart and repack just a small amount of them to take--I built up to the recommended dosage over 2 months.  Otherwise I would get very ill on them.  This was a combo my nutritionist  suggested for autonomic nervous system symptoms and lymphatic congestion.  (Understand that I equate CFS/ME with autonomic nervous system disregulation.  For me, they are one and the same; not unlike fibromyalgia for me is the exact same thing as lymphatic congestion/meridian blockage.) 
 
I take these--calcium AEP and pantethine (after I got up to a full pill without bad reaction of any kind)--every 20 mins until I can feel my blood pressure normalize.  It helps with fatigue, chills, sweats, heart palps and other autonomic symptoms.  But since for me, my bp usually plummets first, that is how I can stop energy crashing from the very beginning of its outset.  This and going completely gf has made it possible forme to control CFS/ME. 
 
Another thing which then gave me more energy was alkalizing and adding negative ionized hydrogen to my water (or taking hydrogen capsules).  It is the same principal, only cheaper, as taking Enada NADH.  When you take NADH or the hydrogen capsules (or the water) it helps your stamina to go walking right after taking them.  I struggled the first 12 mins after I started walking (and got bad chills) at first.  But when I perseveredI was rewarded eventually with more stamina--in otherwords, I could walk further than previously before having fatigue or an energy crash coming on.
 
I also devised ways to help me walk longer--I always carry water and sip it when I get tired or hot.  Back then, I also had a cooling sash (calleda "cooldana")- -a scarf that you wet with water and wear around your neck,for when I began to sweat.  I found that overheating robbed me of energyand began to set of a series of other autonomic symptoms into motion.  Also, 2 other autonomic system symptoms which confounded my recovery were increased heart beat and getting out of breath.  I would walk 10 mins, be out of breath, and my heart would be beating like I had just come off of a 20 mile marathon run!  lol  Finally, I mentioned this to my nutritionistwho told me to just take baby steps.  So simple; to think that was all it took!  lol  So, when I start losing my breath or my heart starts racing, I just slow down.  At first all I could do was inch along, literally--I went a few inches per step and sang a R-E-A-L-L-Y slow song to myself
walking to the beat.  But a year after that I was going a mile and a half/walk and 2 years later I was going 3 miles/walk.  I can now go hiking and biking, garden, and do things I was never even able to do when I was a child!  (Kind of cool for a gal pushing 60, if I do say so myself!  ;)  )

Steph, it is possible that you can't feel the effects of grounding because your ME is still so bad.  Remember that it doesn't all come in a day, dear.  You will get there, tho.
 
My best to you,
Diane
--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 5:11 PM

Thanks for this Diane - I do try to get outside as much as weather and my symptoms permit, and that is usually where I feel best. There is a lovely wooded park near where I am staying at the moment and I try to go to it when I can, but the odd thing is that sometimes when I go into it I feel an almost instantaneous draining of energy as soon as I get onto the grass - and ihave to tell myself just to gently enjoy my surroundings because I don;t have the energy to do much more - I often find I can only walk short distances - maybe from a bench seat to a tree trunk and i am always having to sit down for spells - I wonder am I "discharging" too much and could that be what causes that feeling? I have also tried hugging trees but don't notice too much effects with that.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Mon, 23/3/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 23 March, 2009, 5:33 PM

Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords...  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very bad symptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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Hi diane
 
I will certainly give it a go - but doesn't it make you a bit dizzy? clockwise or anticlockwise or does it not matter which? and how long do you do it for? [I want to make sure I do this absolutely right to get at least be getting some benefit from the exercise my neighbours will think makes me look a bit deranged - LOL]
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Thu, 26/3/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 8:47 PM






Oh, Paul and Steph,
 
  I didn't think to say it till I just sent this reply, but one thing that does help is to take a towel and hold it in both hands and swirl it in big figure 8s in the air!  I do this while turning in a circle--it is oneof the energy exercises I got out of the Energy Medicine book.  After I do this exercise, also, it feels like ALL emfs are lessened, as well as other "energies"-- I can sometimes feel energies of people that bother me.  The day I began doing this exercise I felt under attack from another person's bad energy.  It felt like I had cleaned the air afterwards!
 
Diane

--- On Wed, 3/25/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 6:36 PM

In a message dated 3/25/2009 9:12:01 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

you might like to try opening windows to let fresh air in this will
replenish the environment and change the chemical and ion contents within. Are you
MCS as well as this may be your problem with the lingering emfs, may well be
lingering chemicals.

Paul

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brilliant advice diane - i'll try that too.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Thu, 26/3/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 9:40 PM






Hi again, Loni,
 
I usually sit and meditate (I try to clear my mind and think pleasant thoughts and/or meditate upon our Creator) when I ground myself.  I hug a tree when it is too wet or cold to sit on the ground.  I usually stay until I feel the electricity has all drained out, but it takes 20 to 40 mins usually for me.  If I don't feel anything positive going on in 20 mins, tho, I move to another location.  When I am done and I stand up, I feelreally relaxed yet invigorated.  Like a new me. 
 
Will it help with your fridge?  Well, probably not--you have to live with your fridge.  It will help going past cell and microwave towers along the highway.  But truthfully, you will begin picking up new electricityas soon as you get home and hang out next to the fridge.  (So do you seewhat I mean about grounding?  You are discharging the electricity and when you leave and enter a place with emfs, you begin to again take them on..  But it usually takes me awhile before I get to the threshhold where the symptoms begin again.) 
 
Oh, another thing you can do at home if you can't get out....  Take a stainless steel or silver butter knife and run it over the soles of your feet--from heel to toe.  (Actually I use the handle next to my feet and hold it by the blade.)  I have read that some people use a spoon instead of theknife.  Sometimes you can get the electricity in you to attach to the knife.  Aluminum foil can also collect a charge sometimes.  I have discolored the foil on occasion from it taking the charge from me!  Cool experiment.  lol  (It doesn't always work and I don't know why.)  I try this when I am really bad and feel like I might spontaneously erupt from electricity in me.  (Do you ever feel that way?)
 
Hope this helps you,
Diane

--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 4:05 PM

Oh thanks Diane.
So if I stick my feet in the dirt (how long?) should my reaction to the fridge be less do you think? Worth a shot. Loni

--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 12:13 PM

Hi, Loni,
 
I notice feeling calmer, more peaceful, and less electrically "ramped-up" or charged.  (I am not having reactions in the areas where I ground myself--those atmospheres will not work for grounding.  In fact, you might pickup more electricity there rather than have it drain from you.)  When I ground myself, it also takes more time for me to react to emfs afterwards.
 
Diane 

--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 1:25 PM

What do you notice after walking in dirt or hugging that tree! I may just try this. Loni

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:27 PM

Hi, Mike,
 
You may not have known, but I have written a number of times about hugging or sitting on the roots of trees.  I just wanted you to know I was not making fun of the practice, but merely writing like I talk.  You do have toadmit the thought of it sounds abit funny.  But it works and I do it.
 
What is the name of the conditioner that your wife uses, Mike?  The "Personal Polarizer"?
 
Thanks,
Diane

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: angela england <mariaaengland@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 11:58 AM

You all are on the right track about hovering emf after all power is off.  Tree hugging is not a laughing matter, either.  It really is recommended, or just walking barefoot on dirt.  Another great boon is the conditioner that looks like a beeper.  Very portable and very useful.  My wifesometimes places it on top of her head for major attacks, like our famous speed radar cameras instituted by the state of Arizona as revenue generator..  This is one example that the govt doesnt give a damn about our health.
 

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:33 AM

Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords..  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very bad symptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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LOL  Steph,
 
I DON'T do this exercise where neighbors can see me!  (Altho they likely already think I am deranged.  ;)  That's okay--I know a few of them are, as well!)  Yes, I did get dizzy doing it; I had to slow down.  I am not the most coordinated person; I can't chew gum and walk at the same time.  It got a bit dicey from time to time.  What can I say?  lol 
 
I go around clockwise once and counter-clockwise once and then repeated it twice.  But I am not sure that was what the book said to do (I couldn'tremember and couldn't find the page it was on.  lol)  But it worked for me, so I stuck with that. 
 
Diane

--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 6:28 PM






Hi diane
 
I will certainly give it a go - but doesn't it make you a bit dizzy? clockwise or anticlockwise or does it not matter which? and how long do you do it for? [I want to make sure I do this absolutely right to get at least be getting some benefit from the exercise my neighbours will think makes me look a bit deranged - LOL]
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Thu, 26/3/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 8:47 PM

Oh, Paul and Steph,
 
  I didn't think to say it till I just sent this reply, but one thing that does help is to take a towel and hold it in both hands and swirl it in big figure 8s in the air!  I do this while turning in a circle--it is oneof the energy exercises I got out of the Energy Medicine book.  After I do this exercise, also, it feels like ALL emfs are lessened, as well as other "energies"-- I can sometimes feel energies of people that bother me.  The day I began doing this exercise I felt under attack from another person's bad energy.  It felt like I had cleaned the air afterwards!
 
Diane

--- On Wed, 3/25/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 6:36 PM

In a message dated 3/25/2009 9:12:01 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

you might like to try opening windows to let fresh air in this will
replenish the environment and change the chemical and ion contents within. Are you
MCS as well as this may be your problem with the lingering emfs, may well be
lingering chemicals.

Paul

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I second the propane fridge suggestion - the old mobile home we got last year had a brand new one put into it, a great relief for me - it's utterly silent, no motor, didn't use much gas, and the only electricity it needed fortemp. regulation was a scant amount from a 12V battery. No motor, no noise, and it works very, very well - mine has a freezer in it. Mind you, it'sRV-sized, ie, small, but great for one person.

R.

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

have been watching this thread with interest. Just got back from a two weekstint away. Interestingly the place I was staying registered a slightly higher level of  RF on my meter, but absolutely no WIFI anywhere for the whole two weeks I was there, as opposed to the two or three neighbourhood channels I usually have to sleep in when im back at home. Interestingly I came back re invigorated and refreshed , and my health has been a lot better since my time away. Im thinking that Wifi might actually be a really big problem for me.

Ada
--- On Fri, 27/3/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 27 March, 2009, 9:13 AM






Thanks Diane for this long and detailed and helpful post. I'd say that the Park I visit is probably failry low in EMFs - it is very large - set wellback from busy roads, in a semi rural area and is filled with very old andbeautiful trees - it is a tranquil place and, on my better days, I don't feel any of the vibrations there that I seem to be feeling all of the time everywhere else. I'd say that I do have problems though with my autonomic NSand my temperature regulation is all over the place. Good for you to have become so well that you can do all that walking at age 60 [as we say here "sure you are only a young thing!"].
 
Best wishes 
 
Steph

--- On Thu, 26/3/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 8:37 PM

Hi, Steph,
 
If you are not getting enough sleep at night and you are essentially running on adrenaline from being ramped-up on electricity all the time, then, yes, you will probably feel somewhat drained--but usually in a good way (like,you want to go home and sleep and you can do that when you get there and try it).  If you are feeling drained in a bad way, then it is likely that the park you are using to nurture you is a ground bed for emfs (usually).  That said, however, if you have ME (which you do!) then any little bit of exercise you get is robbing you of your strength.  Try walking backwards, Steph.  You may see that that is much easier for you to do!  When that happens, you have lymphatic, meridian, and other energy blockages.  You can actually, in that circumstance, do energy exercises to help you.  (The Energy Medicine book I mentioned awhile back.)  However, the way I deal with it personally is to do the exercises and also take calcium AEP and
pantethine with water. 
 
If you try this, remember that you have to start really small and buildup to the amount that I take.  When I first tried this, I had to getempty capsules and pull the calcium/pantethine caps apart and repack just a small amount of them to take--I built up to the recommended dosage over 2 months.  Otherwise I would get very ill on them.  This was a combo my nutritionist  suggested for autonomic nervous system symptoms and lymphatic congestion.  (Understand that I equate CFS/ME with autonomic nervous system disregulation.  For me, they are one and the same; not unlike fibromyalgia for me is the exact same thing as lymphatic congestion/meridian blockage.) 
 
I take these--calcium AEP and pantethine (after I got up to a full pill without bad reaction of any kind)--every 20 mins until I can feel my blood pressure normalize.  It helps with fatigue, chills, sweats, heart palps and other autonomic symptoms.  But since for me, my bp usually plummets first, that is how I can stop energy crashing from the very beginning of its outset.  This and going completely gf has made it possible forme to control CFS/ME. 
 
Another thing which then gave me more energy was alkalizing and adding negative ionized hydrogen to my water (or taking hydrogen capsules).  It is the same principal, only cheaper, as taking Enada NADH.  When you take NADH or the hydrogen capsules (or the water) it helps your stamina to go walking right after taking them.  I struggled the first 12 mins after I started walking (and got bad chills) at first.  But when I perseveredI was rewarded eventually with more stamina--in otherwords, I could walk further than previously before having fatigue or an energy crash coming on.
 
I also devised ways to help me walk longer--I always carry water and sip it when I get tired or hot.  Back then, I also had a cooling sash (calleda "cooldana")- -a scarf that you wet with water and wear around your neck,for when I began to sweat.  I found that overheating robbed me of energyand began to set of a series of other autonomic symptoms into motion.  Also, 2 other autonomic system symptoms which confounded my recovery were increased heart beat and getting out of breath.  I would walk 10 mins, be out of breath, and my heart would be beating like I had just come off of a 20 mile marathon run!  lol  Finally, I mentioned this to my nutritionistwho told me to just take baby steps.  So simple; to think that was all it took!  lol  So, when I start losing my breath or my heart starts racing, I just slow down.  At first all I could do was inch along, literally--I went a few inches per step and sang a R-E-A-L-L-Y slow song to myself
walking to the beat.  But a year after that I was going a mile and a half/walk and 2 years later I was going 3 miles/walk.  I can now go hiking and biking, garden, and do things I was never even able to do when I was a child!  (Kind of cool for a gal pushing 60, if I do say so myself!  ;)  )

Steph, it is possible that you can't feel the effects of grounding because your ME is still so bad.  Remember that it doesn't all come in a day, dear.  You will get there, tho.
 
My best to you,
Diane
--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 5:11 PM

Thanks for this Diane - I do try to get outside as much as weather and my symptoms permit, and that is usually where I feel best. There is a lovely wooded park near where I am staying at the moment and I try to go to it when I can, but the odd thing is that sometimes when I go into it I feel an almost instantaneous draining of energy as soon as I get onto the grass - and ihave to tell myself just to gently enjoy my surroundings because I don;t have the energy to do much more - I often find I can only walk short distances - maybe from a bench seat to a tree trunk and i am always having to sit down for spells - I wonder am I "discharging" too much and could that be what causes that feeling? I have also tried hugging trees but don't notice too much effects with that.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Mon, 23/3/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 23 March, 2009, 5:33 PM

Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords...  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer and DSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very bad symptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previously having something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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Hi Ada
 
Have you seen the posts about the pager type device that Marc has used? theQuantum Companion? would it be of any help in dealing with the WIFI?
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 27/3/09, ada iye <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: ada iye <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 27 March, 2009, 12:56 AM






have been watching this thread with interest. Just got back from a two weekstint away. Interestingly the place I was staying registered a slightly higher level of  RF on my meter, but absolutely no WIFI anywhere for the whole two weeks I was there, as opposed to the two or three neighbourhood channels I usually have to sleep in when im back at home. Interestingly I came back re invigorated and refreshed , and my health has been a lot better since my time away. Im thinking that Wifi might actually be a really big problem for me.

Ada
--- On Fri, 27/3/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 27 March, 2009, 9:13 AM

Thanks Diane for this long and detailed and helpful post. I'd say that the Park I visit is probably failry low in EMFs - it is very large - set wellback from busy roads, in a semi rural area and is filled with very old andbeautiful trees - it is a tranquil place and, on my better days, I don't feel any of the vibrations there that I seem to be feeling all of the time everywhere else. I'd say that I do have problems though with my autonomic NSand my temperature regulation is all over the place. Good for you to have become so well that you can do all that walking at age 60 [as we say here "sure you are only a young thing!"].
 
Best wishes 
 
Steph

--- On Thu, 26/3/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 8:37 PM

Hi, Steph,
 
If you are not getting enough sleep at night and you are essentially running on adrenaline from being ramped-up on electricity all the time, then, yes, you will probably feel somewhat drained--but usually in a good way (like,you want to go home and sleep and you can do that when you get there and try it).  If you are feeling drained in a bad way, then it is likely that the park you are using to nurture you is a ground bed for emfs (usually).  That said, however, if you have ME (which you do!) then any little bit of exercise you get is robbing you of your strength.  Try walking backwards, Steph.  You may see that that is much easier for you to do!  When that happens, you have lymphatic, meridian, and other energy blockages.  You can actually, in that circumstance, do energy exercises to help you.  (The Energy Medicine book I mentioned awhile back.)  However, the way I deal with it personally is to do the exercises and also take calcium AEP and
pantethine with water. 
 
If you try this, remember that you have to start really small and buildup to the amount that I take.  When I first tried this, I had to getempty capsules and pull the calcium/pantethine caps apart and repack just a small amount of them to take--I built up to the recommended dosage over 2 months.  Otherwise I would get very ill on them.  This was a combo my nutritionist  suggested for autonomic nervous system symptoms and lymphatic congestion.  (Understand that I equate CFS/ME with autonomic nervous system disregulation.  For me, they are one and the same; not unlike fibromyalgia for me is the exact same thing as lymphatic congestion/meridian blockage.) 
 
I take these--calcium AEP and pantethine (after I got up to a full pill without bad reaction of any kind)--every 20 mins until I can feel my blood pressure normalize.  It helps with fatigue, chills, sweats, heart palps and other autonomic symptoms.  But since for me, my bp usually plummets first, that is how I can stop energy crashing from the very beginning of its outset.  This and going completely gf has made it possible forme to control CFS/ME. 
 
Another thing which then gave me more energy was alkalizing and adding negative ionized hydrogen to my water (or taking hydrogen capsules).  It is the same principal, only cheaper, as taking Enada NADH.  When you take NADH or the hydrogen capsules (or the water) it helps your stamina to go walking right after taking them.  I struggled the first 12 mins after I started walking (and got bad chills) at first.  But when I perseveredI was rewarded eventually with more stamina--in otherwords, I could walk further than previously before having fatigue or an energy crash coming on.
 
I also devised ways to help me walk longer--I always carry water and sip it when I get tired or hot.  Back then, I also had a cooling sash (calleda "cooldana")- -a scarf that you wet with water and wear around your neck,for when I began to sweat.  I found that overheating robbed me of energyand began to set of a series of other autonomic symptoms into motion.  Also, 2 other autonomic system symptoms which confounded my recovery were increased heart beat and getting out of breath.  I would walk 10 mins, be out of breath, and my heart would be beating like I had just come off of a 20 mile marathon run!  lol  Finally, I mentioned this to my nutritionistwho told me to just take baby steps.  So simple; to think that was all it took!  lol  So, when I start losing my breath or my heart starts racing, I just slow down.  At first all I could do was inch along, literally--I went a few inches per step and sang a R-E-A-L-L-Y slow song to myself
walking to the beat.  But a year after that I was going a mile and a half/walk and 2 years later I was going 3 miles/walk.  I can now go hiking and biking, garden, and do things I was never even able to do when I was a child!  (Kind of cool for a gal pushing 60, if I do say so myself!  ;)  )

Steph, it is possible that you can't feel the effects of grounding because your ME is still so bad.  Remember that it doesn't all come in a day, dear.  You will get there, tho.
 
My best to you,
Diane
--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 5:11 PM

Thanks for this Diane - I do try to get outside as much as weather and my symptoms permit, and that is usually where I feel best. There is a lovely wooded park near where I am staying at the moment and I try to go to it when I can, but the odd thing is that sometimes when I go into it I feel an almost instantaneous draining of energy as soon as I get onto the grass - and ihave to tell myself just to gently enjoy my surroundings because I don;t have the energy to do much more - I often find I can only walk short distances - maybe from a bench seat to a tree trunk and i am always having to sit down for spells - I wonder am I "discharging" too much and could that be what causes that feeling? I have also tried hugging trees but don't notice too much effects with that.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Mon, 23/3/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 23 March, 2009, 5:33 PM

Hi, Steph,
 
I agree with Paul.  The best thing for me seems to be to get out into thefresh air away from emfs as much as possible.  If it is too cold or wet to do regular "grounding exercises", just getting out helps--I am likely to  hug a tree, if I think of it, tho.  lol  I know you have been ill recently and this, too, would make you more vulnerable. 
 
The important thing is to keep these types of items unplugged and not operational in your home in the future.  You might, however, allow your sister's family to come back and use them once more--send them emf info in the meantime explaining that you are concerned about their health, casually mention you react to emfs but don't go into great detail--then when they come to stay with you, go to their rooms and point out that you can feel the items plugged in and it makes you quite ill.  Nothing works for skeptical people like proving you can feel emfs.  My son tested me blind-folded in various ways once.  I told him how I reacted to the computer--when uploading, downloading, with streaming video.  He then went thru a variety of computer tasks with me sitting 8 feet away to the rear of the computer and recorded the results.  I could nearly perfectly predict when he did these tasks, except when he did them back to back--I could not tell when they
ended and started and would say I was unsure but could still feel the emfs. 
 
Don't put too much emphasis on the energy remaining after items are unplugged, Steph.  Yes, I do feel energies for sometimes several hours; but I can't say (in light of the recent discussion on this topic) exactly what is going on here when items are unplugged.  I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This was info I got when I wasasking about my house we are remodeling- -I said I turned off the circuit breakers in the entire house for about 2 hours and was still feeling emfs.  I wanted to know whether the electrical system could still be carrying current after being shut off at the curcuit panel.  I am writing this,
because I want to be sure we are not talking apples and oranges, but dealing with the same fruit.  lol)  I have however felt this as well at my house I am living in--especially around the DSL box/phone line/computer cords....  I actually find unplugging the ethernet cable from the computer andDSL box makes a difference-- I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into.  But I don't have great emf problems in these circumstances- -just minor skin tingling or burning.  If you are having very bad symptoms, it is likely that you are just still reacting from previouslyhaving something plugged in.
 
I am waaaaaay behind in my email from taking a computer vacation last week to do some reading, etc.  So, if I owe you more mail, I am working on it.  ;)
 
Hope you are feeling better,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] blocking wifi
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

In a message dated 3/23/2009 3:43:32 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
reader41@ymail. com writes:

Diane, if it takes a couple of hours for the EMFs to clear afterwards - is
there anything you can do to facilitate this or speed this process up?

Do some exersise in the fresh air......... .

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