I am about ready to give up.

I am about ready to end my life over this damn problem. I have been
in pain for 4 years since my initial exposure. I have tried damn near
everything.

I have tried: NMT, BIOFEEDBACK, various vitamin supplements, I have
gotten two sinus surgeries, and just last Friday, I have gotten my
wisdom tooth pulled. Nothing, I mean nothing, that I have tried has
stopped my EMF Sensitivity.

It is almost as if my body just wants to be in pain. I have the same
pain in the back of my gums that I had in the beginning. I have had
come and go bouts of facial tingling, burning, and etc. However,
those symptoms come and go. However, the pain in my nerves where my
wisdom teeth would be located in my upper jaw NEVER STOPS. How in the
hell can my body get caught in such a damn infinite loop like this?
It hasn't stoppped since I was overexposed damn near 4 year ago.

Before October of 2003, I couldn't even FEEL EMF's. Now, I can't even
imagine what it was like to feel that way anymomre. Never in my life
did I ever think that I would encounter a problem so damn hard to
solve. I mean, I can't even get relief. I don't understand why my
body doesn't RESPOND to anything like other people's on here did.

My immune system doesn't seem to respond to ANYTHING. The only time I
get any type of relief is if I take a shower, or go to sleep, or go
outside and get some fresh air. I build up some sort of tolerance.
However, once my body senses EMF's in the environment again, it goes
right back to the same painful state that it was in before.

I have tried EMF protection devices, and none of them made a
difference. I just don't know what to do.

I am not sure what vitamins to take to heal my injured nervous system.

Just recently, I have just purchased some Vitamin B-12, Gotu Kola, bee
pollen, and etc. I have read somewhere that these supplements were
good in healing injured nerves. I really need help and advice,
because I am on the verge of taking my own life over this disorder.

Someone please get back to me,

John

> I have tried: NMT, BIOFEEDBACK, various vitamin supplements, I have
> gotten two sinus surgeries, and just last Friday, I have gotten my
> wisdom tooth pulled. Nothing, I mean nothing, that I have tried has
> stopped my EMF Sensitivity.

Yes, if I think back on all of the things that I tried to overcome
my various health problems, the list was absurdly long. And only
a few of these things were really helpful. I'll repeat them here,
in case you are looking for something new to try:

- EMF protection devices: Quantum Products items (Companion, power
conditioner, Quantum Byte software, Quantum Home), Springlife
Polarizers
- Antioxidants: Cellfood, Mega-H, Amrit
- Essential fats: evening primrose oil, borage oil
(good for nerve repair), avocados
- Heavy metal chelators: NDF
- Immune modulators: Echinacea Premium by Medi-Herb
- Antifungals/Antibiotics: Agrisept (citrus seed extract)

> My immune system doesn't seem to respond to ANYTHING. The only time I
> get any type of relief is if I take a shower, or go to sleep, or go
> outside and get some fresh air.

Yes, those things made me feel a little better as well, but as you've
noticed, they're not helpful enough.

> Just recently, I have just purchased some Vitamin B-12, Gotu Kola, bee
> pollen, and etc. I have read somewhere that these supplements were
> good in healing injured nerves.

I never noticed any improvement with B-12 or Bee Pollen. And I don't
think I ever tried Gotu Kola.

Marc

Hello John,

first of all, you should stay in an elektrosmog free surrounding.

Secondly, your immune system is severely damaged.
One way to repair that, is getting rid of poisonous materials like heavy
metals by using an ionic foot spa.
You bath your feet every other day, and this for at least two weeks.
After that, you will feel much better.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "jbbolden24" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 06:22
Subject: [eSens] I am about ready to give up.

In a message dated 9/3/2007 8:28:55 AM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

pollen, and etc. I have read somewhere that these supplements were
> good in healing injured nerves. I really need help and advice,
> because I am on the verge of taking my own life over this disorder.
>
> Someone please get back to me,
>
> John
>



John, have you gone down the CBT ROUTE ? also all other pathologies are
ruled out right ?!! have you tried a good Calcium supplement in case you are
borderline hypocalceimic ?

That said I know where you are at with this, we might end up blaming some of
our ansestors for ES, check out your famiy tree, and geneology. How can you
turn this into something positive ? Try writing a journal, get involved in
media etc.. I am not being corny, but at this stage you need to nurture your
spirit, have you tried Meditation etc.. Keep talking - You could contact Rod
Reed at ES UK for some support also

Paul UK






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Hey Charles, thanks for the advice. I just purchased an ION foot spa.

If you want to see what it looks like, just put this in Yahoo search engine. I want to make sure that I purchased the correct one:

Ionic Energizer Dual Array Body Cleanse Detox Foot Spa
My EMF Sensitivity is weird. I can do a whole lot of things, but cutting on lights, and getting in front of computer screens actually hurts. I get some sort of rejuvination through sleeping. However, I just can't seem to sleep long enough. After getting a good night's sleep, I can get in front of a computer screen for about 30 mins before, I start feeling the pain kick in. If I go to sleep at 10:00, I will wake back up at 3 in the morning. Showers also help give me relief. I don't really know if I have a permanent case of ES; as mine does improve. I think you may be right. Maybe this ION foot spa WILL help me. I didn't even know something like this existed. I have tried detoxing other ways,but it never seems to work.

There has absolutely got to be a way I can overcome this problem; as I wasn't always like this. I was overexposed one time, and my body has practically stayed in a state of hypervigiliance. However, it was a pretty bad exposure. I was never exposed to that much EMF in my entire life. It didn't seem to affect anyone in the apartment but me though.

I have always been a sickly person; that is probably why it effected me the most. In fact, that is why everything affects me the most. I think that I might just need a really good detoxing. I just haven't figured out how to do it effectively.

One more thing I want to ask, is it true that the water will change colors with this ION foot spa?

Please get back to me, and thanks for the advice from you and everyone else.

John

charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello John,

first of all, you should stay in an elektrosmog free surrounding.

Secondly, your immune system is severely damaged.
One way to repair that, is getting rid of poisonous materials like heavy
metals by using an ionic foot spa.
You bath your feet every other day, and this for at least two weeks.
After that, you will feel much better.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: "jbbolden24" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 06:22
Subject: [eSens] I am about ready to give up.






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Hello John,

so you got an Ion foot spa.

Be carefull, and compensate with a good multivitamin, because you will loose
some good stuff also.

The ion foot spa, should make positive as well as negative ions. mostly 70 %
to 30 %.
Use 30 minutes each time.

Of course, normal tap water will give also these colorations.
Pleas have a look at *het bitje* Januari 2006 (only durch and german issues)
on page 10 see the colorations, and
on page 11 a chart from tapwater in Missouri, at left original, and at right
after 9 bathings.
So you can see, what is in the water before, and comes from the feet later
on.

Of course I have tested this.
I tested the equipment in normal tapwater, and got all colorations.
I tested with distilled water, and after 30 minutes, the water colored
slightly yellow.
The reason is, that for electrical conductivity, one has to add a little bit
of salt.
(We have dilluted salt in distilled water and put this in a spray).
The computer says directly when enough salt is added to the water.

Tip: after using and cleaning the element, place it in a jar with water, in
which a table spoon of vitamin C (or ascorbine acid) is added.
That way they last longer.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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From: "John Bolden" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 17:12
Subject: Re: [eSens] I am about ready to give up.

> I don't really know if I have a permanent case of ES;

I don't think there is such a thing a "permanent case of ES". Certainly
someone may have it indefinitely because they never try the right things
to get better, but I think if you try all of the various things that
people here report as helpful, you're bound to find SOMETHING that
will work. The problem is that people either cannot afford to try
all of this stuff, or they lose patience and give up too soon.

> I have tried detoxing other ways,but it never seems to work.

Have you tried liquid zeolite? Also known as "Natural Cellular
Defense" or NCD? I've seen several reports from people who
have "tried everything" (or so they say), and that this was
the only thing that helped them detoxify. Me, I find this
supplement extremely difficult to tolerate, even at very
small doses. So if you do try this, be very cautious at
first, and start at one drop per day and ramp up slowly
to the recommended 10 - 30 drops per day. And if you have
a bad reaction, cut back from that dose and stay with
a dose that you can tolerate. Eventually you should be
able to later ramp up to something higher.

> I think that I might just need a really good detoxing.

Another problem you might have is a poorly functioning
liver. Have you tried taking your morning saliva and
urine pH using a pH stick? Ideally, your morning
saliva should be 6.7 - 7.0, and your morning urine
should be 5.8 - 6.0. People with poorly functioning
livers cannot drain acids properly, so you can see
very low morning saliva readings (5.0 - 6.0) and
very high urine readings (7.0 - 8.0). If so, then
you could use something to help support your ability
to drain acids, like "Liver Life" from BioRay, or
some people take "Milk Thistle". Also drinking
a little fresh-squeezed organic lemon with water
can help your body drain acids.

> One more thing I want to ask, is it true that the water
> will change colors with this ION foot spa?

I tried one of the ionic footbaths, but only for a couple
times. I didn't notice any change in my health with
only a few sessions, but the water did change to a murky
brown with black specks in it. There is some controversy
about how much of this stuff actually came from inside
of you, as the water will discolor a certain amount even
if you don't put your feet in the water.

Marc

Hello John,

also, please have a look at:

http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina8.html

at the book *Flow System Therapy* by Han Stiekema M.D.

There is also a link where you can download all chapters from this book for
free.

It is very recommendable.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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I am of the mind to never say never to recovery (so I don't want to believeES is ever permanent), but Carolyn Gorman of the EHCD, Dr. Rae's clinic inDallas, told me in a phone consult that you want to detox as soon, effectively, and completely as possible, as the longer your immune and lymphatic systems are overloaded, the more permanent ES becomes.
   
Just to share what was told me by someone who actually trys to treat ES professionally. I have no info one way or the other to refute or support her claim,
Diane

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I don't really know if I have a permanent case of ES;

I don't think there is such a thing a "permanent case of ES". Certainly
someone may have it indefinitely because they never try the right things
to get better, but I think if you try all of the various things that
people here report as helpful, you're bound to find SOMETHING that
will work. The problem is that people either cannot afford to try
all of this stuff, or they lose patience and give up too soon.

> I have tried detoxing other ways,but it never seems to work.

Have you tried liquid zeolite? Also known as "Natural Cellular
Defense" or NCD? I've seen several reports from people who
have "tried everything" (or so they say), and that this was
the only thing that helped them detoxify. Me, I find this
supplement extremely difficult to tolerate, even at very
small doses. So if you do try this, be very cautious at
first, and start at one drop per day and ramp up slowly
to the recommended 10 - 30 drops per day. And if you have
a bad reaction, cut back from that dose and stay with
a dose that you can tolerate. Eventually you should be
able to later ramp up to something higher.

> I think that I might just need a really good detoxing.

Another problem you might have is a poorly functioning
liver. Have you tried taking your morning saliva and
urine pH using a pH stick? Ideally, your morning
saliva should be 6.7 - 7.0, and your morning urine
should be 5.8 - 6.0. People with poorly functioning
livers cannot drain acids properly, so you can see
very low morning saliva readings (5.0 - 6.0) and
very high urine readings (7.0 - 8.0). If so, then
you could use something to help support your ability
to drain acids, like "Liver Life" from BioRay, or
some people take "Milk Thistle". Also drinking
a little fresh-squeezed organic lemon with water
can help your body drain acids.

> One more thing I want to ask, is it true that the water
> will change colors with this ION foot spa?

I tried one of the ionic footbaths, but only for a couple
times. I didn't notice any change in my health with
only a few sessions, but the water did change to a murky
brown with black specks in it. There is some controversy
about how much of this stuff actually came from inside
of you, as the water will discolor a certain amount even
if you don't put your feet in the water.

Marc



                         

       
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Hey Marc, thanks for getting back to me. I haven't tried NCD yet; however,I have tried something called EDTA; which didn't do a thing. I even took it through the rectum, and it burned, so I couldn't continue. Truth be told, I think that my whole system is totally overloaded. Why, I don't know. The only thing that I do know is that I have had terrible allergies all ofmy life; and my immune system seems to respond absolutely EVERYTHING in a negative manner--it has been this way since I was a kid--and differently than my family members and other people that I know. I can't figure out why my system is so damn SENSITIVE. It picks up on things that others don't atall. It hasn't be a benefit to me at all.  

For the past 10 years, I have had an acne problem that is strange. I get nothing but white plugs in my skin; mostly on my face and my chest, back, shoulders and stomach. The acne isn't normal, and it has left me with circular scars on my chest. I have to squeeze the plugs out of my skin because they won't come out otherwise. They are always hard white plugs. I notice that out of everybody in my family, I am the only one getting this weird stuff.  

Something is terribly wrong with my immune system. It doesn't react like anormal person's should. However, every time I have went to the doctor they always say that I am the picture of health. I don't agree at all. I have gotten my gallbladder checked--they said that it had a 97% squeeze rate--my colon check--they found no polops, and everything looked perfect--my cranial nerves checked. Everything.  

I have tried various methods to detoxify. I have tried Cilantro drops withchlorella pills, colon cleanses, Lecithin, all types of stuff. It just seems like my body doesn't respond to anything at all.  

I looked up NCD on the web, not really too bad; however, it is a little costly if you want three of them to a box. I am thinking about trying it; however, I am little skeptical because I wonder what would make it any different from all the other things that I have tried. Can you explain to me howit may be different than EDTA? They said that EDTA was used to cleanse heavy metals. However, it didn't do a thing for me at all.  

I just want to know what I am getting into before I purchase it.  

Please get back me.

John


Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > I don't really know if I have a permanent case of ES;
 
I don't think there is such a thing a "permanent case of ES". Certainly
someone may have it indefinitely because they never try the right things
to get better, but I think if you try all of the various things that
people here report as helpful, you're bound to find SOMETHING that
will work. The problem is that people either cannot afford to try
all of this stuff, or they lose patience and give up too soon.
 
> I have tried detoxing other ways,but it never seems to work.  
 
Have you tried liquid zeolite? Also known as "Natural Cellular
Defense" or NCD? I've seen several reports from people who
have "tried everything" (or so they say), and that this was
the only thing that helped them detoxify. Me, I find this
supplement extremely difficult to tolerate, even at very
small doses. So if you do try this, be very cautious at
first, and start at one drop per day and ramp up slowly
to the recommended 10 - 30 drops per day. And if you have
a bad reaction, cut back from that dose and stay with
a dose that you can tolerate. Eventually you should be
able to later ramp up to something higher.
 
> I think that I might just need a really good detoxing.
 
Another problem you might have is a poorly functioning
liver. Have you tried taking your morning saliva and
urine pH using a pH stick? Ideally, your morning
saliva should be 6.7 - 7.0, and your morning urine
should be 5.8 - 6.0. People with poorly functioning
livers cannot drain acids properly, so you can see
very low morning saliva readings (5.0 - 6.0) and
very high urine readings (7.0 - 8.0). If so, then
you could use something to help support your ability
to drain acids, like "Liver Life" from BioRay, or
some people take "Milk Thistle". Also drinking
a little fresh-squeezed organic lemon with water
can help your body drain acids.
 
> One more thing I want to ask, is it true that the water
> will change colors with this ION foot spa?
 
I tried one of the ionic footbaths, but only for a couple
times. I didn't notice any change in my health with
only a few sessions, but the water did change to a murky
brown with black specks in it. There is some controversy
about how much of this stuff actually came from inside
of you, as the water will discolor a certain amount even
if you don't put your feet in the water.
 
Marc
 
 
     
 

       
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I can believe what she is saying, because I have had ES for the last 4 years. I really hope that I don't have a permanent situation on my hands. However, what I do know, is that certain symptoms come and go.  

I only get certain symptoms if I am way overexposed. However, after a goodnights sleep, those symptoms go away. So I don't really think mine is permanent yet. If I am overexposed, I get the burning sensation across the face, tingling, eye-twitching etc. I think I may have some nerve damage. Those are the symptoms that go away if I get a good nights sleep. I think my body is trying to heal but I can't find a decent place to be at with no EMF. I don't think my problem has gotten too much worse because I got rid ofthe thing that triggered it a month after it first happened; and that was four years ago. If I would have kept that 29 inch CRT, I would probably bedead now.

The only constant symptoms that I get are pain in the nerves in my gums. They start to lessen if I am outside for a while, or if I take a shower, or go to sleep. For some reason, I also feel alot better when I exercise too. It is when I don't do anything that it becomes a problem. I can be in aroom full of computers; however, if I am doing heavy exercise it is almostas if I don't feel anything for a while.  

I am trying to find a way to detoxify in spite of me living in an environment bathed with EMF's. I live in an apartment building; on the second floor, and I have EMF all around me. However, I am moving to an apartment on the bottom THIS month, that will be in much better condition. That may help.  

My problem is a weird one. If I am in a new environment, my body won't react for a while; until it gets used to the environment; then all of the symptoms come back. I can be in an environment FULL of computers, and it stillwon't react for a while. I can be in a computer lab, in front of a monitor, and my body won't reacy for like 15 mins. Then it starts. However, it is never as worse as it is when I am at home.

My body seems to know full well what the hell it is doing. That is what isso weird about my case. From what I read on here, I have read accounts from people who had cases much worse than mine make a full recovery; however, mine is a mid-case that hasn't shown much improvement at all. When it first happened, I experienced eye-irritation; however, that stopped a long time ago, and never returned.  

It is also weird because my EMF is not totally debilitating. I can do alot in spite of the EMF. Cell phones don't bother me. However, computer monitors DO bother me; and TVs are really painful to deal with. The worst of all of them are ceiling lights.  

They are absolute HELL to deal with; and I am a college student trying to study Calculus III with EMF Sensitivity. I am desperately trying to find freedom from this hellish disorder.

I just hope that the solution is out there; because I can't take my life being curtailed by something such as this. That would be a total waste.



Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: I am of themind to never say never to recovery (so I don't want to believe ES is everpermanent), but Carolyn Gorman of the EHCD, Dr. Rae's clinic in Dallas, told me in a phone consult that you want to detox as soon, effectively, and completely as possible, as the longer your immune and lymphatic systems are overloaded, the more permanent ES becomes.
   
Just to share what was told me by someone who actually trys to treat ES professionally. I have no info one way or the other to refute or support her claim,
Diane
 
Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I don't really know if I have a permanent case of ES;
 
I don't think there is such a thing a "permanent case of ES". Certainly
someone may have it indefinitely because they never try the right things
to get better, but I think if you try all of the various things that
people here report as helpful, you're bound to find SOMETHING that
will work. The problem is that people either cannot afford to try
all of this stuff, or they lose patience and give up too soon.
 
> I have tried detoxing other ways,but it never seems to work.
 
Have you tried liquid zeolite? Also known as "Natural Cellular
Defense" or NCD? I've seen several reports from people who
have "tried everything" (or so they say), and that this was
the only thing that helped them detoxify. Me, I find this
supplement extremely difficult to tolerate, even at very
small doses. So if you do try this, be very cautious at
first, and start at one drop per day and ramp up slowly
to the recommended 10 - 30 drops per day. And if you have
a bad reaction, cut back from that dose and stay with
a dose that you can tolerate. Eventually you should be
able to later ramp up to something higher.
 
> I think that I might just need a really good detoxing.
 
Another problem you might have is a poorly functioning
liver. Have you tried taking your morning saliva and
urine pH using a pH stick? Ideally, your morning
saliva should be 6.7 - 7.0, and your morning urine
should be 5.8 - 6.0. People with poorly functioning
livers cannot drain acids properly, so you can see
very low morning saliva readings (5.0 - 6.0) and
very high urine readings (7.0 - 8.0). If so, then
you could use something to help support your ability
to drain acids, like "Liver Life" from BioRay, or
some people take "Milk Thistle". Also drinking
a little fresh-squeezed organic lemon with water
can help your body drain acids.
 
> One more thing I want to ask, is it true that the water
> will change colors with this ION foot spa?
 
I tried one of the ionic footbaths, but only for a couple
times. I didn't notice any change in my health with
only a few sessions, but the water did change to a murky
brown with black specks in it. There is some controversy
about how much of this stuff actually came from inside
of you, as the water will discolor a certain amount even
if you don't put your feet in the water.
 
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> The only thing that I do know is that I have had terrible allergies all
> of my life;

Yes, I've had terrible allergies since I was a kid as well. And what
I found after experimenting with hundreds of supplements over the
past 7 years is that none of the things sold for allergies really
helped at all. Instead, I've found that CELLFOOD by
Lumina Health has been the most helpful thing for my pollen
and pet allergies, and also for my chemical sensitivities. However,
I have not noticed any immediate improvement for ES symptoms, and
in fact if I take too much CELLFOOD, my ES will get a bit worse.
However, from an overall "health improvement" perspective, I
think that CELLFOOD has been the most helpful supplement of
the hundreds I've tried. (I have no connection with this
company, and I'll even note that a competing product called
CELL RENEW is just as good).

> However, every time I have went to the doctor they always say that
> I am the picture of health. I don't agree at all.

Heh, heh... yes, the last time I went to see a medical doctor (6 years
ago!), they also claimed that there was nothing that they could
find wrong with me, even though I felt like I was about to
drop dead right there in the office! (I had much better luck
going to alternative health practitioners, who could see that
there was something very obviously wrong with me).

> I have tried various methods to detoxify. I have tried Cilantro drops
> with chlorella pills, colon cleanses, Lecithin, all types of stuff.
> It just seems like my body doesn't respond to anything at all.

Yes, that does make you a good candidate for NCD. I on the other
hand am hypersensitive to almost all forms of detoxification, so
I've mostly stuck with milder means of detox -- NDF is about
all I can handle in significant amounts, and even with that
I have to take CELLFOOD and MEGA-H to counter the detox
side effects.

> I looked up NCD on the web, not really too bad; however, it is
> a little costly if you want three of them to a box.

Yes it is. They do sell it one-at-a-time in a glass bottle
however, but that's still $125. Pretty pricy just to just see
if it works. Maybe you can find someone selling a single
plastic bottle for $50 or so?

I am thinking about trying it; however, I am little skeptical because
I wonder what would make it any different from all the other things that
I have tried. Can you explain to me how it may be different than EDTA?

Well, from my perspective, all of these chelators are vastly different
from each other, because I have vastly different reactions to all
of them. EDTA just made me feel weird, and not in a good way.
I think the main difference between the various chelators is
that they all attract certain toxic substances, and the
type of substances one chelator is attracted to is different than
another. Also, they may have a tendency to target different
parts of the body.

But when you say that nothing before has ever worked for you,
my first thought is NCD, because that is often the comment I've
seen from NCD users -- that this is the first thing that they've
ever tried that's worked for them. But again, be cautious
about the dosage -- like I said, I find this stuff very
difficult to tolerate, and it literally takes me a month
to consume the amount of drops that I should be able to
consume in 2 days!

Marc

John, every sympathy in your predicament. One other angle could be that
your liver may be failing to detoxify and remove various substances from
your body. There are a number of "detoxification pathways" and if one or
more of these are not functioning or the body chemicals have got depleted,
even if you take all the things that "detoxify" your system, the products
may not be able to get out of your body. My wife Sue has had MCS and ES,
tried lots of supplements over 2-3 years with little effect, then had
specialist tests done on the liver functions which showed 2 pathways not
functioning and 2 others (glutathione and sulphate) totally depleted from
struggling to cope with the extra load. In her case she has needed
intravenous infusions and these have improved her health a lot. But without
knowing the exact cause of one's problems it's very difficult to treat them
effectively. Since your problems date from childhood, it may be that one or
other of the pathways has always been out of action.
 
Best wishes, Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John
Bolden
Sent: 03 September 2007 20:23
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] I am about ready to give up.



Hey Marc, thanks for getting back to me. I haven't tried NCD yet; however, I
have tried something called EDTA; which didn't do a thing. I even took it
through the rectum, and it burned, so I couldn't continue. Truth be told, I
think that my whole system is totally overloaded. Why, I don't know. The
only thing that I do know is that I have had terrible allergies all of my
life; and my immune system seems to respond absolutely EVERYTHING in a
negative manner--it has been this way since I was a kid--and differently
than my family members and other people that I know. I can't figure out why
my system is so damn SENSITIVE. It picks up on things that others don't at
all. It hasn't be a benefit to me at all.

For the past 10 years, I have had an acne problem that is strange. I get
nothing but white plugs in my skin; mostly on my face and my chest, back,
shoulders and stomach. The acne isn't normal, and it has left me with
circular scars on my chest. I have to squeeze the plugs out of my skin
because they won't come out otherwise. They are always hard white plugs. I
notice that out of everybody in my family, I am the only one getting this
weird stuff.

Something is terribly wrong with my immune system. It doesn't react like a
normal person's should. However, every time I have went to the doctor they
always say that I am the picture of health. I don't agree at all. I have
gotten my gallbladder checked--they said that it had a 97% squeeze rate--my
colon check--they found no polops, and everything looked perfect--my cranial
nerves checked. Everything.

I have tried various methods to detoxify. I have tried Cilantro drops with
chlorella pills, colon cleanses, Lecithin, all types of stuff. It just seems
like my body doesn't respond to anything at all.

I looked up NCD on the web, not really too bad; however, it is a little
costly if you want three of them to a box. I am thinking about trying it;
however, I am little skeptical because I wonder what would make it any
different from all the other things that I have tried. Can you explain to me
how it may be different than EDTA? They said that EDTA was used to cleanse
heavy metals. However, it didn't do a thing for me at all.

I just want to know what I am getting into before I purchase it.

Please get back me.

John

Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com> com> wrote: > I
don't really know if I have a permanent case of ES;

I don't think there is such a thing a "permanent case of ES". Certainly
someone may have it indefinitely because they never try the right things
to get better, but I think if you try all of the various things that
people here report as helpful, you're bound to find SOMETHING that
will work. The problem is that people either cannot afford to try
all of this stuff, or they lose patience and give up too soon.

> I have tried detoxing other ways,but it never seems to work.

Have you tried liquid zeolite? Also known as "Natural Cellular
Defense" or NCD? I've seen several reports from people who
have "tried everything" (or so they say), and that this was
the only thing that helped them detoxify. Me, I find this
supplement extremely difficult to tolerate, even at very
small doses. So if you do try this, be very cautious at
first, and start at one drop per day and ramp up slowly
to the recommended 10 - 30 drops per day. And if you have
a bad reaction, cut back from that dose and stay with
a dose that you can tolerate. Eventually you should be
able to later ramp up to something higher.

> I think that I might just need a really good detoxing.

Another problem you might have is a poorly functioning
liver. Have you tried taking your morning saliva and
urine pH using a pH stick? Ideally, your morning
saliva should be 6.7 - 7.0, and your morning urine
should be 5.8 - 6.0. People with poorly functioning
livers cannot drain acids properly, so you can see
very low morning saliva readings (5.0 - 6.0) and
very high urine readings (7.0 - 8.0). If so, then
you could use something to help support your ability
to drain acids, like "Liver Life" from BioRay, or
some people take "Milk Thistle". Also drinking
a little fresh-squeezed organic lemon with water
can help your body drain acids.

> One more thing I want to ask, is it true that the water
> will change colors with this ION foot spa?

I tried one of the ionic footbaths, but only for a couple
times. I didn't notice any change in my health with
only a few sessions, but the water did change to a murky
brown with black specks in it. There is some controversy
about how much of this stuff actually came from inside
of you, as the water will discolor a certain amount even
if you don't put your feet in the water.

Marc





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I'm feeling the same way. Don't give up, but
at the same time we could have genetic damage,
in which case our condition is permanent. All
I see are f'n cell towers sprouting up everywhere.
I drive under, by power lines and chest pains
kick in. TVs everywhere. Forlorn hope, that's what
it's coming down to.
Eli

First, do you have some meters? I think at a minimum one must
have a *sensitive* microwave detector and a gauss meter, plus a portable
AM radio, and some way to detect electric fields. The 'electrosmog meter'
for $199 is pretty good. If that's already too expensive get the
'electrosmog detector".
You need to know when you are getting exposed. Avoid the really big
exposures
and make sleep & evening exposure as low as possible.

Have you tried melatonin? I benefitted from 1mg up to 3mg (take in the
evening) if getting
less than 8 hours sleep. Calcium (w/ magnesium & zinc added) also make
sense
and other antioxidants (vitamin C, bee propolis, vit. E) plus essential
fatty acids.

I am beginning to think that acoustic music may be a good idea (drum,
whistle, sing,
even a victorola or music box) so you get stimuli that have no EMF
correlations.

Avoid toxic food and toxic air. Make sure the home is well ventilated and
not dusty
(since most modern dust has neurotoxins).

I still have problems but have improved a lot...

Bill

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I had something happen today that made me rethink this whole EMF thing. I
decided to blind test myself with a wireless router with my uncle. Before
the test, we were in his basement and I was holding the router in my hand
and plugging it in and noticing pain between my ears like I normally do and
then turning it off and the pain goes away. Then for the test I had my
uncle write series of 8 yes or no's - a yes would mean he would turn the
router on and a no would mean he would turn it off. Then 8 times I would
leave and come into the room and stand right next to this thing and not look
at it so I didn't know if it was on or off and then see I would write down
on my own paper if I felt the router on or off. I was sure I would score
100%. During the test I was pretty sure on some and then very sure on a
couple. However, when I compared the results I was wrong about half the
time, including the times when I was very sure this thing was on or very
sure it was off - as in no symptoms, even though it was on. We did this
test again with the same inaccuracies by me. This lead me to conclude 1 of
2 things:

1.) These energy fields really don't have a biological effect and it is
100% psychological.
2.) These energy fileds do have a biological effect, but my mind or
subconscious plays a gigantic role on how they actually affect me.

There's a ton of studies that say there is a definite biological effect by
these energy fields on cellular function, so #1 can't be the case, so right
now I am thinking it is #2. I don't yet know what or how I will continue
with dealing with this issue because I too have had my life ruined by it,
but it makes me start looking at this thing differently and believing alot
more in the power of my mind or life force or whatever else is reacting so
horribly to this stuff. I have a hypno therapist I'm going to start seeing
in earnest again I think at this point. Try some similar test yourself and
see what happens, it may surprise you as it did me.

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> Try some similar test yourself and
> see what happens, it may surprise you as it did me.

Hmmm, interesting... I know that in my own case, I
pretty much depend on using EMF protection devices to
use the computer for lengthy stretches of time. Using
the devices, I get no symptoms. Without the devices,
I get symptoms within 30 minutes.

Over the years, there have many occasions where I sit
down in front of a computer and assume that my EMF
devices are in my pocket or near the monitor,
although I haven't really checked. Then, about 30
minutes later, I start getting symptoms, which cause
me to check, and sure enough, the devices aren't
there.

This would indicate to me that:

1) the computer is indeed causing me problems
2) the EMF protection devices really are doing
something besides just being a placebo

Marc

Your conscious mind didn't know if the devices were in your pockets, but
your subconscious mind probably did, since you would have had to have made
some effort or event to put the devices in your pocket at some time, and the
subconscious remembers most everything..

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In a message dated 9/4/2007 5:47:39 AM GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes:

had something happen today that made me rethink this whole EMF thing. I
decided to blind test myself with a wireless router with my uncle. Before
the test, we were in his basement and I was holding the router in my hand
and plugging it in and noticing pain between my ears like I normally do and
then turning it off and the pain goes away. Then for the test I had my
uncle write series of 8 yes or no's - a yes would mean he would turn the



Its complex how your body reacts to EMF as you know, I am sure that the
various stress hormones act like fuel to the other chemical effects, so a sense
of calm when facing your agitant is benficial, I use my mind evry time I go
into a shopping mall, or a train etc, I do not imediately walk or run away from
persons using mobiles or when I see a mast etc I merely get on with the
tasks in hand as best I can, nuasea or not. Perhaps Paul you should try the test
you devised using other devices such as Dect, mobiles, masts, flourescent
lights, computer screens and or all at the same time after all that sounds like
a typical everyday environment. I find that my sensitivity varies, in your
case could it have been that you are in a state of improved health so it
would take longer than a few moments to truly suffer symptoms, the trick is
stying like that in the latter all to common evironments. That said there is no
harm in trying periodically to pick apart and try to undo the harm that ES
delivers, rather like defragmenting and cleaning up the computers hard drive, we
all need this from time to time.

Paul UK






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In a message dated 9/3/2007 8:43:23 PM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

. For some reason, I also feel alot better when I exercise too. It is when I
don't do anything that it becomes a problem. I can be in a room full of
computers; however, if I am doing heavy exercise it is almost as if I don't feel
anything for a while.
My problem is a weird one. If I am in a new environment, my body won't react
for a while; until it gets used to the environment; then all of the symptoms
come back. I can be in an environment FULL of computers, and it still won't
react for a while. I can be in a computer lab, in front of a monitor, and my
body won't reacy for like 15 mins. Then it starts. However, it is never as
worse as it is when I am at home.

My body seems to know full well what the hell it is doing. That is what is
so weird about my case. From what I read on here, I have read accounts from



pAUL uk replies

,Perhaps there is a gene that gets switched on which sets the whole process
of sensitivity in motion due to an emf trauma/chemical event further
reinforced by phychological stress event at the same time.or viceverser..? Perhaps
the gene was once of some pertinant use a throwback of the earliest vertabral
ansestors. If this were the case then it is not so easy to switch this ghost
gene off ! It may also be that this is indeed then a sense in its own right,
we may not have a sensory organ (or one that cannot be found as no one knows
what to look for - but our skin and nervous system is a big enough sensory
organ.and so can be somewhat manipulated consciensly/sub consciensly by the
individual for better of for worse..and sometimes when one is in a state of
heightened sensitivity the radar is in full sweep mode.

I have noticed that if I am moving around I am not so quick to notice my
sypmtoms, perhaps the high end sensing is not engaged, but no mistake that
somatic effects are still taking place, time/exposure dependant etc also could be
due to emfs focusing on certain body parts such as the head when stationary,
more diluted if moving around.

there is also the issue of adrenaline and such like so when in new
environments this may sheild or supress symptoms periodically hence the time lag,
when in your home this is set to your base line, you are tottally familiar with
it, sounds,smells,sights and emfs and you may have more time to be critical
of the environment as there are not so many distracting elements, so your
sensing radar is in critical sweep mode all the time in your home, its your
territory and no one must pollute it and so on, quite primeevil !

I suppose that when one is at a computer you are more aware of EMF becuase
its a scource of emf/rf quite literally in your face, you are also accessing
parts of the brain that are likely to become impaired by the EMF, such as
working memory so is a double whammy. In an office or lab, you are getting such
an onslaught that the chemical cascade that results in symptoms will be more
componded for a while longer hence the time lag.

I go to my local car boot sale once in a while the joy of the event
overrides the fact that there is a powerful mast in the carpark, it ussually takes
about 20mins before I realise that my thoughts and indeed speech slows down
and I realise I have been kind-of sleepwalking, then my whole day is like a bad
dream. As far as the exersise example is concerned as above dont forget
that the mood enhancing endorphins will be present plus the centres of the brain
that you are using are not so intrested in clarity of detailed thought, but
there is no doubt in my mind that your body is lkely to be working that much
harder during the exersising if you are in a high Emf environment such as a
typical gym.

I am now squiffed it took 10mins and I have endured it for a further 15
writing this, hope it makes some sense as I am not going to check it. Yes many
of us can apparently function with ES, but this invisible disease makes 9to5
work non sustainable self limiting everyday lfe becomes somewhat impaired, if
all the offending technologies were suddendly switched off, I wonder how long
it would take for Essers to regain themselves.

Paul uk









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