I am about ready to give up.

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 9/3/2007 8:43:23 PM GMT Daylight Time,  
> jbbolden24@... writes:
>
> . For some reason, I also feel alot better when I exercise too. It
is when I
> don't do anything that it becomes a problem. I can be in a room
full of
> computers; however, if I am doing heavy exercise it is almost as
if I don't feel
> anything for a while.


Maybe this is something to do with the blood being damaged, because I
remember seeing on one of the sites selling ionic foot spas, before
and after pictures of how the redblood cells change pattern and this
foot spa makes them go back to how they should be. And
electromagnetic fields are known to damage the blood cells in this
way. So maybe the exercise compensates for the fact that your
circulation gets worse when using computers, etc. And maybe that's
also why people with ES often get worse if they eat sugary foods, or
other things which can clog the system up.

Richard

I've got to call BS on this "its all in your head" thing.
Yeah, if I were an avatar, a shaolin monk, or something, I might have
enough power to keep EMF from effecting me.
And, as it stands, the heavy metals and unknown other
toxins/chemicals/virus/bacteria in my brain that are an integral part
of my headaches and are also causing the tangible bumps/growths and
reshaping of the skull bone IS ALL IN MY HEAD.
The burning sensation that I get on my skin, face, the demyelination
test results,... ah I could go on and on of how many times I have been
blasted by an exterior source and proven this is not psychological....

I am not going to waste any more time trying to convince someone that
doesn't have ES what I have..

Andrew

On Sep 4, 2007, at 1:30 AM, Paul Coffman wrote:

Such experiments are flawed because not enough
time lapses between trials. How long did you wait
between each test? There's no way I'll concede
that electrosensitivity is mostly a psychological
phenomena.

Marc, can you please review what protection you
use for computers?

An analysis of my supposed low emission computer
and two Dells has been updated. Criticism, suggestions
are welcome.

I really want to get back to work (software engineer).

http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/computer.html

Eli

> Marc, can you please review what protection you
> use for computers?

Currently, I'm using the following:

At home:

* I'm now using a new Sony VAIO 26" HDTV, which is located
3 feet away from my face, and quite readable
due to the large pixel size (768 x 1366 resolution)

* I've got the power running through a Furman PST-10D
power strip, with linear noise filtering.

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/753945159

* The power then goes though a Quantum power conditioner
(another power strip), which the monitor is plugged into.

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

* I've got the Quantum Byte software installed, with
the setting at the maximum strength.

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_byte.html

* I've got a RA*D*AR card sitting underneath the monitor
screen.

http://radar3.com/

* And finally, I've got a Springlife Lifeforce pendant
also sitting underneath the screen:

http://www.alternativechoiceshealingcenter.bigstep.com/category.html?UCIDs=940550

Quite a hodgepodge, but since I've collected so many devices over
the years, I mix and match until I find a good combination. I
think the Quantum stuff is doing the most good, but 2 items
sitting under the screen are definitely necessary. I'm not
sure of the need for the Furman power strip, but it does keep
the readings down on the Stetzerizer meter.


At work, my environment is a lot harsher due to my coworkers
computers nearby, plus the florescent lights and nearby Wi-Fi
antenna. There I'm nusing:

* a Dell 21" CRT monitor, set at 800 x 600 resolution
and placed 3 feet away from me. Note that the resolution
is important here -- I find 768 x 1024 more difficult
to tolerate (and harder to read at that distance)

* this is plugged into a Quantum power conditioner
(same as above)

* I've got the Quantum Byte software installed, but only
set at a medium strength setting

* I've got a Quantum Home sitting next to the monitor,
set at the lowest setting:

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_home.html

* And I've got a BioProtect Handy sitting next to the
monitor:

http://company4you.nl/shop/product_info.php?pName=bioprotect-handy

I've actually found several different combinations of devices
that are satisfactory at work -- I believe the cheapest combination
was a Quantum power conditioner and a Springlife OM pendant plus
the Quantum Byte software at a low setting. But lately I
was experimenting with the Bioprotect stuff, and found a
combination that worked using that.

This all is the result of years of experimentation, but it has
certainly been worth it, as I've been able to earn a living
and use the computer for 10 hours a day without any problems
at the end of the day.

Note that in addition to devices, I have found that applying
some SHIKAI borage oil skin lotion onto my face at the start of
the day is helpful for reducing any burning skin symptoms
that I might get several hours in, and also a small amount
of Mega-H powder in a glass of water also will provide
immediate relief for this symptom.

Marc

> * I'm now using a new Sony VAIO 26" HDTV, which is located

Oh. a mistake there... I'm not using a VAIO, but rather a
BRAVIA -- KDL-26S3000. I was rather reluctant to try yet
another LCD monitor at home, as I could not tolerate the
first two I purchased. But this one's fine (with devices,
that is)

Marc

Dear John,

Several years ago I was close to dying from ES problems. I'm sure
glad I didn't give up, because I'm so much better now that my life is really
worth living!

Please read my personal story as outlined in my article "Electrical
Pollution: What is it doing to you and yours?" at my website,
www.LifeEnergies.com. That is the short version. If you want to know more about the things
I/we did that helped me recover, I'll be glad to share more details. In
short, you must THOROUGHLY map your EMF/EMR environment and then remediate.
(Most people do not do this, and thus they often continue to be exposed.)

Besides the things we did to clean up my electrical environment, I made
dietary changes, had a rood canal tooth removed and was treated by a classical
homeopath. Every one of steps these was crucial to my recovery.

Even before we discovered that my symptoms had been brought on by dirty
electricity (which I had never heard of), my worst symptoms ceased the very
day that my homeopathic physician gave me one tiny dose of the right remedy.
(You don't want to take more than that one dose. A second would antidote it.)
(When we've been super stressed, our internal energies get thrown off.
Homeopathy can make differences that appear to be miraculous. In my case,
severe cardiac symptoms ceased immediately.)

What are your present exposures?
Have you checked your electrical circuits for dirty electricity? Your
phone lines? Water pipes? Duct work? Do you have a meter that picks up
high-frequency electric fields? These can be in surprising places.
Have you checked your house for communications signals?
What do you eat? This is extremely important.
Have you been checked for jawbone cavitations?
Have you been exposed to toxic chemicals?
Do your symptoms go away when you are in a "clean" environment as
regards EMF/EMR? (How do you know when you are in a clean vs. dirty environment?)

Anybody still ambulatory can recover from about anything. You need to
identify and then remove the various stresses on your system. It's like
balancing a teeter totter.

Regards,
Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com (Read "Health Effects of Manmade Electromagnetic
Frequencies" there, too. Especially the sections on electrical pollution
and electrical sensitivity.)


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> I've actually found several different combinations of devices
> that are satisfactory at work

By the way, in my years of experimentation at my workplace, I
have looked at trying to minimize the number of EMF devices used.
In fact, there were two instances where I was able to
use a single device for a significant period of time.

In the first case, I was able to use a Springlife
"Slimline" Polarizer (medium sized), which I placed in
back of my CRT monitor:

http://www.universalsong.net/products/meditation_tools_stainless_steel_polarizers.htm

This worked okay for about the first month, but after that
the burning face symptoms starting getting worse, so I had
to return to a solution which used items from Quantum Products.

Also, when Vinny Pinto was subscribed to this discussion
group, he lent me one of his AUTO-21 prototype devices,
and I found that this was satisfactory all by itself:

http://www.coherentspace.info/products.html

However, this device did cause a slight amount of agitation
that I did not experience with my other devices, and
also was really no better than the combinations of multiple
devices that I already owned, so I opted not to purchase
one of these. However, if I really wanted to have a
solution which employed only one device, this would
be it.

And like I've said before, there are dozens of other
devices which I have tried over the years which either
did not provide any help at all, or even made things
worse! (although since everyone is different, some
of these may be the optimal solution for some)

Marc

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I have ES and my life has been ruined by it. This test i did on myself for
the very first time made me think deeply about the subconscious mind's
effect on it. How else can i explain my results? I have a history of
posting here, other people had mentioned 'emotional burnout' that I really
didn't accept. This is the first time I've ever said anything 'pro'
psychological.... I would like to see other people try the test - you must
have someone else help you so you can't possbily know if the wireless or
dect or whatever is on or off and see - for me my reaction has always been
'instantaneous' normally the EMF feeling i have don't get any worse over
time, so the few seconds of exposure for each test was enough to make what I
thought was the right decision.

On 9/4/07, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:


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Paul Coffman


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Thanks for trying this test and reporting your results.
I did a similar test with a cordless phone and was wrong
more than half the time. The phone was probably a bad
choice because I had never noticed symptoms using it
(it was not my phone and I had never used it before).
And I had some level of persisting symptoms.

I feel that it is very important that someone do a good test
and get it published. There have been a couple of positive
tests but most of the published ones are negative.

I think it is likely that we with ES develop some fear of these
devices, because we know they will harm us (and often they
do). This anxiety can trigger some kind of symptom.

In most cases there are multiple EMFs present at once,
and the combination may be important to what happens.

The ideal experiment involves a stimulus to which the subject
responds quickly, and stops responding to shortly after exposure
(like within a few minutes). In experiments on myself the symptoms
often continue to change for many minutes after exposure. Also,
the response should not be damaging and should be reproducible
day after day.

Please if you know of a stimulus that fits that bill for you, try doing
a blind test. Ideally, video tape the exeriment if it works. And let
us know!

Bill
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Thanks for the info on your website!

Have you tried ferrite cores on the cables? Especially
the power supply cable? Also, there do exist shielded cables.
I found a bau biologie place in canada that adverstises one.

I wonder if there are some frequencies that your RF meter is
missing? Could the computers generate dirty power and then
you feel that? Try running off a UPS (though they make huge
magnetic fields when plugged in)?

Keep us posted!

Bill

On 9/4/07, jaime_schunkewitz <[hidden email]> wrote:

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What I notice for some electronic things, like cell phones, or the in
store communications with the employees ears plugged in, is that the
worse symptom is when it is switched on or off. On particularly, or a
call coming in.

That makes a power surge.

My daughter and I have done tests with the other down the hall in
another room, and known accurately just when the tv, extremely
offending stereo, which went back to the store, or phone, was turned
on or off. You couldn't hear it, only feel it.

I think it is harder to tell sometimes when it is already on, as
there is usually other ambient emf's around, so you can't always
identify the culprit easily.

~ Snoshoe


--- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:
Then for the test I had my
> > uncle write series of 8 yes or no's - a yes would mean he would
turn the
> > router on and a no would mean he would turn it off. Then 8 times
I would
> > leave and come into the room and stand right next to this thing
and not
> > look
> > at it so I didn't know if it was on or off and then see I would
write down
> > on my own paper if I felt the router on or off. I was sure I
would score
> > 100%. During the test I was pretty sure on some and then very
sure on a
> > couple. However, when I compared the results I was wrong about
half the
> > time, including the times when I was very sure this thing was on
or very
> > sure it was off - as in no symptoms, even though it was on. We
did this
> > test again with the same inaccuracies by me.

Ian has brought up an important point. Same was true for me, too, John, re liver pathway dysfunctions and having to treat them.

On another note, my nutritionist was really getting frustrated because I couldn't seem to get toxins out. He later found it very humorous that organic potato chips seemed to do the trick for me! Seriously. Here I was on all this healthfood and I needed the saturated fat! :) I actually lost weight when I ate potato chips because my fat deposits gave up the toxic wastes that they were holding onto. We tried all the omega and fish oils, supplements of all types.... but only saturated fat seemed to work for me!

Diane

Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
John, every sympathy in your predicament. One other angle could be that
your liver may be failing to detoxify and remove various substances from
your body. There are a number of "detoxification pathways" and if one or
more of these are not functioning or the body chemicals have got depleted,
even if you take all the things that "detoxify" your system, the products
may not be able to get out of your body. My wife Sue has had MCS and ES,
tried lots of supplements over 2-3 years with little effect, then had
specialist tests done on the liver functions which showed 2 pathways not
functioning and 2 others (glutathione and sulphate) totally depleted from
struggling to cope with the extra load. In her case she has needed
intravenous infusions and these have improved her health a lot. But without
knowing the exact cause of one's problems it's very difficult to treat them
effectively. Since your problems date from childhood, it may be that one or
other of the pathways has always been out of action.

Best wishes, Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John
Bolden
Sent: 03 September 2007 20:23
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] I am about ready to give up.

Hey Marc, thanks for getting back to me. I haven't tried NCD yet; however, I
have tried something called EDTA; which didn't do a thing. I even took it
through the rectum, and it burned, so I couldn't continue. Truth be told, I
think that my whole system is totally overloaded. Why, I don't know. The
only thing that I do know is that I have had terrible allergies all of my
life; and my immune system seems to respond absolutely EVERYTHING in a
negative manner--it has been this way since I was a kid--and differently
than my family members and other people that I know. I can't figure out why
my system is so damn SENSITIVE. It picks up on things that others don't at
all. It hasn't be a benefit to me at all.

For the past 10 years, I have had an acne problem that is strange. I get
nothing but white plugs in my skin; mostly on my face and my chest, back,
shoulders and stomach. The acne isn't normal, and it has left me with
circular scars on my chest. I have to squeeze the plugs out of my skin
because they won't come out otherwise. They are always hard white plugs. I
notice that out of everybody in my family, I am the only one getting this
weird stuff.

Something is terribly wrong with my immune system. It doesn't react like a
normal person's should. However, every time I have went to the doctor they
always say that I am the picture of health. I don't agree at all. I have
gotten my gallbladder checked--they said that it had a 97% squeeze rate--my
colon check--they found no polops, and everything looked perfect--my cranial
nerves checked. Everything.

I have tried various methods to detoxify. I have tried Cilantro drops with
chlorella pills, colon cleanses, Lecithin, all types of stuff. It just seems
like my body doesn't respond to anything at all.

I looked up NCD on the web, not really too bad; however, it is a little
costly if you want three of them to a box. I am thinking about trying it;
however, I am little skeptical because I wonder what would make it any
different from all the other things that I have tried. Can you explain to me
how it may be different than EDTA? They said that EDTA was used to cleanse
heavy metals. However, it didn't do a thing for me at all.

I just want to know what I am getting into before I purchase it.

Please get back me.

John

Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com> com> wrote: > I
don't really know if I have a permanent case of ES;

I don't think there is such a thing a "permanent case of ES". Certainly
someone may have it indefinitely because they never try the right things
to get better, but I think if you try all of the various things that
people here report as helpful, you're bound to find SOMETHING that
will work. The problem is that people either cannot afford to try
all of this stuff, or they lose patience and give up too soon.

> I have tried detoxing other ways,but it never seems to work.

Have you tried liquid zeolite? Also known as "Natural Cellular
Defense" or NCD? I've seen several reports from people who
have "tried everything" (or so they say), and that this was
the only thing that helped them detoxify. Me, I find this
supplement extremely difficult to tolerate, even at very
small doses. So if you do try this, be very cautious at
first, and start at one drop per day and ramp up slowly
to the recommended 10 - 30 drops per day. And if you have
a bad reaction, cut back from that dose and stay with
a dose that you can tolerate. Eventually you should be
able to later ramp up to something higher.

> I think that I might just need a really good detoxing.

Another problem you might have is a poorly functioning
liver. Have you tried taking your morning saliva and
urine pH using a pH stick? Ideally, your morning
saliva should be 6.7 - 7.0, and your morning urine
should be 5.8 - 6.0. People with poorly functioning
livers cannot drain acids properly, so you can see
very low morning saliva readings (5.0 - 6.0) and
very high urine readings (7.0 - 8.0). If so, then
you could use something to help support your ability
to drain acids, like "Liver Life" from BioRay, or
some people take "Milk Thistle". Also drinking
a little fresh-squeezed organic lemon with water
can help your body drain acids.

> One more thing I want to ask, is it true that the water
> will change colors with this ION foot spa?

I tried one of the ionic footbaths, but only for a couple
times. I didn't notice any change in my health with
only a few sessions, but the water did change to a murky
brown with black specks in it. There is some controversy
about how much of this stuff actually came from inside
of you, as the water will discolor a certain amount even
if you don't put your feet in the water.

Marc

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I agree with you, Paul, re moving around, you are focused on other things and so feel better because of redirecting your focus, etc. But also, the lymphatic system runs on muscle movement. So, if you have a toxic problem, you must exercise in order to move the toxins out of your body. Anything that gets you to a detox state or less toxic state is going to make you feel better. And that includes exercise.

Diane

[hidden email] wrote:

In a message dated 9/3/2007 8:43:23 PM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

. For some reason, I also feel alot better when I exercise too. It is when I
don't do anything that it becomes a problem. I can be in a room full of
computers; however, if I am doing heavy exercise it is almost as if I don't feel
anything for a while.
My problem is a weird one. If I am in a new environment, my body won't react
for a while; until it gets used to the environment; then all of the symptoms
come back. I can be in an environment FULL of computers, and it still won't
react for a while. I can be in a computer lab, in front of a monitor, and my
body won't reacy for like 15 mins. Then it starts. However, it is never as
worse as it is when I am at home.

My body seems to know full well what the hell it is doing. That is what is
so weird about my case. From what I read on here, I have read accounts from

pAUL uk replies

,Perhaps there is a gene that gets switched on which sets the whole process
of sensitivity in motion due to an emf trauma/chemical event further
reinforced by phychological stress event at the same time.or viceverser..? Perhaps
the gene was once of some pertinant use a throwback of the earliest vertabral
ansestors. If this were the case then it is not so easy to switch this ghost
gene off ! It may also be that this is indeed then a sense in its own right,
we may not have a sensory organ (or one that cannot be found as no one knows
what to look for - but our skin and nervous system is a big enough sensory
organ.and so can be somewhat manipulated consciensly/sub consciensly by the
individual for better of for worse..and sometimes when one is in a state of
heightened sensitivity the radar is in full sweep mode.

I have noticed that if I am moving around I am not so quick to notice my
sypmtoms, perhaps the high end sensing is not engaged, but no mistake that
somatic effects are still taking place, time/exposure dependant etc also could be
due to emfs focusing on certain body parts such as the head when stationary,
more diluted if moving around.

there is also the issue of adrenaline and such like so when in new
environments this may sheild or supress symptoms periodically hence the time lag,
when in your home this is set to your base line, you are tottally familiar with
it, sounds,smells,sights and emfs and you may have more time to be critical
of the environment as there are not so many distracting elements, so your
sensing radar is in critical sweep mode all the time in your home, its your
territory and no one must pollute it and so on, quite primeevil !

I suppose that when one is at a computer you are more aware of EMF becuase
its a scource of emf/rf quite literally in your face, you are also accessing
parts of the brain that are likely to become impaired by the EMF, such as
working memory so is a double whammy. In an office or lab, you are getting such
an onslaught that the chemical cascade that results in symptoms will be more
componded for a while longer hence the time lag.

I go to my local car boot sale once in a while the joy of the event
overrides the fact that there is a powerful mast in the carpark, it ussually takes
about 20mins before I realise that my thoughts and indeed speech slows down
and I realise I have been kind-of sleepwalking, then my whole day is like a bad
dream. As far as the exersise example is concerned as above dont forget
that the mood enhancing endorphins will be present plus the centres of the brain
that you are using are not so intrested in clarity of detailed thought, but
there is no doubt in my mind that your body is lkely to be working that much
harder during the exersising if you are in a high Emf environment such as a
typical gym.

I am now squiffed it took 10mins and I have endured it for a further 15
writing this, hope it makes some sense as I am not going to check it. Yes many
of us can apparently function with ES, but this invisible disease makes 9to5
work non sustainable self limiting everyday lfe becomes somewhat impaired, if
all the offending technologies were suddendly switched off, I wonder how long
it would take for Essers to regain themselves.

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I read that we need not suffer the action of a gene, because they can
be switched on/off at will.

For instance the "overweight gene" can be switched off by choosing to
eat a low carbohydrate/high fat paleolithic diet. This also seems to
switch off the gene(s) for heart disease/arthritis/etc. which are
commonly associated with obesity.

Many have done this. Many others have not the will to do so.

William



--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:

>  
> ,Perhaps there is a gene that gets switched on which sets the  
whole process
> of sensitivity in motion due to an emf trauma/chemical event  
further
> reinforced by phychological stress event at the same time.or  
viceverser..? Perhaps
> the gene was once of some pertinant use a throwback of the  
earliest vertabral
> ansestors. If this were the case then it is not so easy to switch
this ghost
> gene off !

> Here I was on all this healthfood and I needed the saturated fat! :)

Heh, heh, that's pretty funny.

The marketers of coconut oil and raw whole milk also promote the
need for quality saturated fats. However, I spent periods trying
them both, and they did was make me gain weight! And the coconut
oil weakened my legs (one of the symptoms of MS -- another illness
linked to heavy metals). Fortunately, the weak legs went away by
replacing the saturated fats with an omega-3 fatty acid supplement.

Marc

Hi John:

I'm sorry to hear how bad your ES is. It's very hard to live with
this so I wanted to share a few things that are helping me to
recover.

Double check the dental issues - find out what type of metals are in
your crowns. I found out that I'm extremely sensitive to pallidium
which was 80% of two of my crowns. This metal is very toxic and is
banned for use in dental materials in Sweden so I've read. I also
have amalgam under some old crowns - another issue you should have
checked out. The last thing I will address after this is root canals
I have three and have not decided yet whether or not I will have
these teeth pulled. Make sure you are seeing a holistic dentist.

However, since having my two crowns removed, my health is just
beginning to improve - and once my immune system is up to par - I
know it will help reduce the ES incidence. I've already had some
improvement.

I'd advise everyone on this list to check out the crowns and metals
issue as my ES started almost one month to the day that I had my last
new crown put in.

Also, some days when I thought I would go crazy - as I also have
mercury problems too - I started to study the meditation and healing
techniques of Dr. Zing Gang Sha, author of Soul Mind Body Medicine
which I find very helpful for healing and relaxation. His website is
www.drsha.com. This approach to healing has helped me alot as I
can't watch tv with my ES so I listen to Dr. Sha's healing sessions
via phone and it has done wonders to help me balance and cope with
the ES much better.  

By the way, I gave up all the remedies for now like cilantro and
other stuff the naturopath recommended because I got much worse and
very weak to point I could hardly function. Just the thought of
going to the dentist was a nightmare because I was so unstable from
the ES. So I got a juicer and a sprout grower and these natural
foods are wonderful for health.

A life with ES isn't easy so I will say a prayer for you and hope
that relief comes soon. I hope some of these tips are helpful to you
and others.

Donna

I want to point again at the book *Flow System Therapy*.
It can be downloaded in chapters from:

http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina8.html

or ordered in print.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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----- Original Message -----
From: "tarzdee" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 18:52
Subject: [eSens] Re: I am about ready to give up.

Say Paul,
Would you mind giving a little more info about your experiment?
How much time between 'exposures'. What were the actual
sequences of Yes's and No's and when were you sure and not sure?

Also, did you have any way to make sure there was not some other
changing signal? Refrigerator cycling? Neighbor using a cell phone?


Bill

On 9/3/07, Paul Coffman <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Wellll, I am not saying that what works for me, works for all! :) That was kind of my point... we all hear what we are supposed to be doing for this and that.... But in actuality it is more difficult than what it sounds, because we are all individuals with different individual needs based upon what our particular diets were previously and the way our bodies react to various inputs. I just threw the saturated fat idea out there incase some here have tried it all and the all doesn't work for them either. The thing, too, was that I LOST weight instead of gaining on the saturated fat. I am thinking that if you gain on saturated fat, this is probably not doing a thing for you re toxin removal. My body had found a nifty little way to dealwith all the toxins that were bothering me--just make new adipose fat deposits to put all the crap I couldn't deal with into. It was only the introduction of the saturated fats that tricked my body into giving the toxins up.    
   
Diane

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Here I was on all this healthfood and I needed the saturated fat! :)

Heh, heh, that's pretty funny.

The marketers of coconut oil and raw whole milk also promote the
need for quality saturated fats. However, I spent periods trying
them both, and they did was make me gain weight! And the coconut
oil weakened my legs (one of the symptoms of MS -- another illness
linked to heavy metals). Fortunately, the weak legs went away by
replacing the saturated fats with an omega-3 fatty acid supplement.

Marc


                         

       
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