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Re: I am about ready to give up.

Marc Martin
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> Wellll, I am not saying that what works for me, works for all! :) That
> was kind of my point... we all hear what we are supposed to be doing for
> this and that.... But in actuality it is more difficult than what it
> sounds

Yes indeed... for example, many people suggest taking cod liver
oil, but taking these cause me extreme adverse reactions! However,
I have no problem taking salmon oil capsules, krill oil capsules
(in moderation), or flax seed oil.

But I do agree that one should experiment with various kinds of fats
and see what reactions they get.

Marc

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Home provocation experiments

asurisuk
In reply to this post by Paul Coffman
If you were living in a house in a remote, rural, virtually RF free
environment, like where I am, and you came home from a walk in the
hills and someone had hidden a switched on DECT phone in your house
while you were out. I GUARANTEE that you would know INSTANTLY that
something major had changed. If you have ES like mine, that is.

You can't perform provocation studies in areas sodden with EMFs.

--- In [hidden email], "Paul Coffman" <pkcoff@...> wrote:
>
> I had something happen today that made me rethink this whole EMF
thing. I
> decided to blind test myself with a wireless router with my uncle.  
Before
> the test, we were in his basement and I was holding the router in
my hand
> and plugging it in and noticing pain between my ears like I
normally do and
> then turning it off and the pain goes away. Then for the test I
had my
> uncle write series of 8 yes or no's - a yes would mean he would
turn the
> router on and a no would mean he would turn it off. Then 8 times I
would
> leave and come into the room and stand right next to this thing and
not look
> at it so I didn't know if it was on or off and then see I would
write down
> on my own paper if I felt the router on or off. I was sure I would
score
> 100%. During the test I was pretty sure on some and then very
sure on a
> couple. However, when I compared the results I was wrong about
half the
> time, including the times when I was very sure this thing was on or
very
> sure it was off - as in no symptoms, even though it was on. We did
this
> test again with the same inaccuracies by me. This lead me to
conclude 1 of
> 2 things:
>
> 1.) These energy fields really don't have a biological effect and
it is
> 100% psychological.
> 2.) These energy fileds do have a biological effect, but my mind or
> subconscious plays a gigantic role on how they actually affect me.
>
> There's a ton of studies that say there is a definite biological
effect by
> these energy fields on cellular function, so #1 can't be the case,
so right
> now I am thinking it is #2. I don't yet know what or how I will
continue
> with dealing with this issue because I too have had my life ruined
by it,
> but it makes me start looking at this thing differently and
believing alot
> more in the power of my mind or life force or whatever else is
reacting so
> horribly to this stuff. I have a hypno therapist I'm going to
start seeing
> in earnest again I think at this point. Try some similar test
yourself and
> see what happens, it may surprise you as it did me.
>
> On 9/2/07, jbbolden24 <jbbolden24@...> wrote:
> >
> > I am about ready to end my life over this damn problem. I have
been
> > in pain for 4 years since my initial exposure. I have tried damn
near
> > everything.
> >
> > I have tried: NMT, BIOFEEDBACK, various vitamin supplements, I
have
> > gotten two sinus surgeries, and just last Friday, I have gotten my
> > wisdom tooth pulled. Nothing, I mean nothing, that I have tried
has
> > stopped my EMF Sensitivity.
> >
> > It is almost as if my body just wants to be in pain. I have the
same
> > pain in the back of my gums that I had in the beginning. I have
had
> > come and go bouts of facial tingling, burning, and etc. However,
> > those symptoms come and go. However, the pain in my nerves where
my
> > wisdom teeth would be located in my upper jaw NEVER STOPS. How in
the
> > hell can my body get caught in such a damn infinite loop like
this?
> > It hasn't stoppped since I was overexposed damn near 4 year ago.
> >
> > Before October of 2003, I couldn't even FEEL EMF's. Now, I can't
even
> > imagine what it was like to feel that way anymomre. Never in my
life
> > did I ever think that I would encounter a problem so damn hard to
> > solve. I mean, I can't even get relief. I don't understand why my
> > body doesn't RESPOND to anything like other people's on here did.
> >
> > My immune system doesn't seem to respond to ANYTHING. The only
time I
> > get any type of relief is if I take a shower, or go to sleep, or
go
> > outside and get some fresh air. I build up some sort of tolerance.
> > However, once my body senses EMF's in the environment again, it
goes
> > right back to the same painful state that it was in before.
> >
> > I have tried EMF protection devices, and none of them made a
> > difference. I just don't know what to do.
> >
> > I am not sure what vitamins to take to heal my injured nervous
system.
> >
> > Just recently, I have just purchased some Vitamin B-12, Gotu
Kola, bee
> > pollen, and etc. I have read somewhere that these supplements were
> > good in healing injured nerves. I really need help and advice,
> > because I am on the verge of taking my own life over this
disorder.

> >
> > Someone please get back to me,
> >
> > John
> >
> >  
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Paul Coffman
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Genes

asurisuk
In reply to this post by skrzn
Are you also saying that a gene that has mutated, can return to
normal, given the right conditions?

--- In [hidden email], "skrzn" <WilliamSchnell@...> wrote:
>
> I read that we need not suffer the action of a gene, because they
can
> be switched on/off at will.
>
> For instance the "overweight gene" can be switched off by choosing
to
> eat a low carbohydrate/high fat paleolithic diet. This also seems
to

> switch off the gene(s) for heart disease/arthritis/etc. which are
> commonly associated with obesity.
>
> Many have done this. Many others have not the will to do so.
>
> William
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@ wrote:
>
> >  
> > ,Perhaps there is a gene that gets switched on which sets the  
> whole process
> > of sensitivity in motion due to an emf trauma/chemical event  
> further
> > reinforced by phychological stress event at the same time.or  
> viceverser..? Perhaps
> > the gene was once of some pertinant use a throwback of the  
> earliest vertabral
> > ansestors. If this were the case then it is not so easy to  
switch
> this ghost
> > gene off !
>

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fat ratio

Andrew McAfee
In reply to this post by Marc Martin
When I tested my fats recently I was way over in Omega 3's and needed
to supplement the 6's.
My understanding is the best ratioo is a 4:1 ratio of 6's 4x times as
much as 3's.
andrew

On Sep 5, 2007, at 4:30 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

>> Wellll, I am not saying that what works for me, works for all! :)
>> That
>> was kind of my point... we all hear what we are supposed to be doing
>> for
>> this and that.... But in actuality it is more difficult than what it
>> sounds
>
> Yes indeed... for example, many people suggest taking cod liver
> oil, but taking these cause me extreme adverse reactions! However,
> I have no problem taking salmon oil capsules, krill oil capsules
> (in moderation), or flax seed oil.
>
> But I do agree that one should experiment with various kinds of fats
> and see what reactions they get.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Re: Home provocation experiments

danielferres
In reply to this post by asurisuk

Maybe you need also to avoid geopathic stressed zones.
Which also could affect your experiments.

Sorry, I hadn't introduced myself yet.
My name is Daniel and I'm ElectroSensitive and GeopathicSensitive
from Spain.

Regards,
Daniel


--- In [hidden email], "asurisuk" <asurisuk@...> wrote:
>
> If you were living in a house in a remote, rural, virtually RF free
> environment, like where I am, and you came home from a walk in the
> hills and someone had hidden a switched on DECT phone in your house
> while you were out. I GUARANTEE that you would know INSTANTLY that
> something major had changed. If you have ES like mine, that is.
>
> You can't perform provocation studies in areas sodden with EMFs.
>

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Re: I am about ready to give up.

skrzn
In reply to this post by Marc Martin
Saturated fat + carbohydrates = obesity

www.paleodiet.com

I can't stand the taste of the coconut oil I tried, and milk/dairy is
an allergen for too many people, including me.

I bet if you try animal fat and completely eliminate all
carbohydrates that you shall lose weight.

William



--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > Here I was on all this healthfood and I needed the saturated
fat! :)

>
> Heh, heh, that's pretty funny.
>
> The marketers of coconut oil and raw whole milk also promote the
> need for quality saturated fats. However, I spent periods trying
> them both, and they did was make me gain weight! And the coconut
> oil weakened my legs (one of the symptoms of MS -- another illness
> linked to heavy metals). Fortunately, the weak legs went away by
> replacing the saturated fats with an omega-3 fatty acid supplement.
>
> Marc
>

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Re: I am about ready to give up.

skrzn
In reply to this post by evie15422
Those who can gain weight on High saturated fat, moderate meat, low
to zero carbohydrate cannot be mammals.
www.paleodiet.com
It is hard to do, and hard to find pure food.
The problem is that carbs are addictive, and people fool themselves.

William



--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
I just threw the
saturated fat idea out there incase some here have tried it all and
the all doesn't work for them either. The thing, too, was that I
LOST weight instead of gaining on the saturated fat. I am thinking
that if you gain on saturated fat, this is probably not doing a thing
for you re toxin removal.

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Re: Genes

skrzn
In reply to this post by asurisuk
No. I don't know anything about mutated genes. I've heard of damage
to the DNA; that might be permanent but maybe also a scare story
designed to sell medical services.

Really, my point is that we don't have to stay sick if we can avoid
the poisons such as RF, inorganic metals in teeth & elsewhere,
synthetic hormones, carbohydrates etc.

Maybe impossible, but a reduction in poisons has had marvellous
results for many.

William



--- In [hidden email], "asurisuk" <asurisuk@...> wrote:

>
> Are you also saying that a gene that has mutated, can return to
> normal, given the right conditions?
>
> --- In [hidden email], "skrzn" <WilliamSchnell@> wrote:
> >
> > I read that we need not suffer the action of a gene, because they
> can
> > be switched on/off at will.
> >

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differences in milk

Andrew McAfee
In reply to this post by skrzn
raw (hopefully organic) milk has all the enzymes and natural vitamins,
etc. in it. Milk off the shelf in stores is pasteurized (sometimes
Ultra which still doesn't kill of Para-tuberculosis and other bad bugs)
which kills off all of the parts of milk that are good for you (which
prevent lactose intolerance, etc) and keeps the bad and it becomes a
toxic drink that can cause all kinds of problems and reactions.

The good bacteria is so essential to our immune system and from keep
the bad bacteria from running wild.

Not to mention the cancer causing BGH (genetically modified growth
hormones), antibiotics, homogenized processing, etc that are added to
milk that destroys peoples health.

I think it is very important to delineate raw milk and dairy products
from processed milk products when talking about health benefits and
detriments.
There is a doctor in Fresno, CA that is prescribing raw milk to his
asthma patients.

Yes, my brother Mark in CA is the larger seller of raw milk around and
I am biased.
organicpastures.com

And, there is a lot of good information that has been suppressed about
raw milk.

And, it is not for everyone.

Please don't lump raw together with processed milk.

Find it near you:
http://www.realmilk.com/where2.html

Andrew


On Sep 6, 2007, at 8:49 AM, skrzn wrote:

> Saturated fat + carbohydrates = obesity
>
> www.paleodiet.com
>
> I can't stand the taste of the coconut oil I tried, and milk/dairy is
> an allergen for too many people, including me.
>
> I bet if you try animal fat and completely eliminate all
> carbohydrates that you shall lose weight.
>
> William
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Here I was on all this healthfood and I needed the saturated
> fat! :)
>>
>> Heh, heh, that's pretty funny.
>>
>> The marketers of coconut oil and raw whole milk also promote the
>> need for quality saturated fats. However, I spent periods trying
>> them both, and they did was make me gain weight! And the coconut
>> oil weakened my legs (one of the symptoms of MS -- another illness
>> linked to heavy metals). Fortunately, the weak legs went away by
>> replacing the saturated fats with an omega-3 fatty acid supplement.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Re: I am about ready to give up.

lunagirl32002
In reply to this post by jbbolden24
John,
You say you have tried everything. I am wondering if you've tried moving to
a less populated area where there would be less cell phone towers, stayed
off the computer and phone, etc. ? I would recommend trying to avoid EMFs
for as long as possible and saturating your body with organic foods/juices
so that you rebuild your mineral/vitamin reserves. Can you do this for 6
months...or even 2 or 3 months, to see if it has an effect? Julie

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Re: I am about ready to give up.

sandimaurer
In reply to this post by jbbolden24
>
> I'd advise everyone on this list to check out the crowns and metals
> issue as my ES started almost one month to the day that I had my last
> new crown put in.


Timing of immune system weakness about the same, one month after having
a bridge put in! My health is so much better now though and I promised
myself once my health returned I'd deal with the metal in my
crowns/bridge. I purposely avoided a root canal by choosing to have my
teeth pulled and getting a bridge then my health went south! Thanks for
your input. Sandi

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Re: Genes

BiBrun
In reply to this post by asurisuk
If you're born with a mutated gene it's probably going to stay that way,
but it is true that whether a gene is expressed depends on all kinds of
other factors.

Our DNA is constantly being damaged in our cells (e.g., by UV light, but
also
probably microwave exposure). Most of these can be and are repaired.
Those cells that get too much damage to fix may intentionally die, or
can become cancerous. Note that the repair systems are designed to cope
with damage from UV (within reason--stay out of tanning beds) and may
be less efficient at fixing the double stranded breaks reported for
microwave exposure.

Bill

On 9/5/07, asurisuk <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Are you also saying that a gene that has mutated, can return to
> normal, given the right conditions?
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "skrzn"
> <WilliamSchnell@...> wrote:
> >
> > I read that we need not suffer the action of a gene, because they
> can
> > be switched on/off at will.
> >
> > For instance the "overweight gene" can be switched off by choosing
> to
> > eat a low carbohydrate/high fat paleolithic diet. This also seems
> to
> > switch off the gene(s) for heart disease/arthritis/etc. which are
> > commonly associated with obesity.
> >
> > Many have done this. Many others have not the will to do so.
> >
> > William
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, paulpjc@ wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ,Perhaps there is a gene that gets switched on which sets the
> > whole process
> > > of sensitivity in motion due to an emf trauma/chemical event
> > further
> > > reinforced by phychological stress event at the same time.or
> > viceverser..? Perhaps
> > > the gene was once of some pertinant use a throwback of the
> > earliest vertabral
> > > ansestors. If this were the case then it is not so easy to
> switch
> > this ghost
> > > gene off !
> >
>
>  
>


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Re: Home provocation experiments

BiBrun
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I think you are right. What part of the world are you in?

I think short of a scientific paper showing it, a video
on YouTube might go a long way towards gaining
some acceptance. Of course I realize it's not going to be
that easy to make such a video etc.

I have had the experience of coming home, (even though
we are in an mildly urban setting) and feeling like something
was wrong, and asking my wife "are you sure you didn't turn
anything on?" Later when I went upstairs it turned out she
had forgotten that she had plugged in and left on a low voltage lamp we were
planning to get rid of.

I've also had other experiences that can't be explained by the placebo
effect. There's a huge intimidating cell tower on the highway that does not
bother
me. Now that I have a meter I see that at ground level it exposes
people much less than the building mounted cell phone transmitters
and shorter towers. On the other hand, driving past the Santa Fe Opera
my ears began to ring. I thought at first it meant something else could
cause it. Then I noticed there are funny looking things on some of the
lamp posts. With a meter I later confirmed those are transmitters (strong
ones too).

Many times I have 'heard' a cell tower before I could spot it.

Also, there have been cases working with small AC EMF sources where I
did not expect the small amount of time at arms length to be a problem,
but that night realized I was suffering greatly from the exposure. And
the sounds buzzing in my head were exactly like the sound the source
made... kind of weird. I also am beginning to speculate that if I can
listen
carefully to my tinnitus I can sometimes tell what kind of exposure caused
it. When
there's too many exposures or they're too strong it has not been possible.

Bill





On 9/5/07, asurisuk <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> If you were living in a house in a remote, rural, virtually RF free
> environment, like where I am, and you came home from a walk in the
> hills and someone had hidden a switched on DECT phone in your house
> while you were out. I GUARANTEE that you would know INSTANTLY that
> something major had changed. If you have ES like mine, that is.
>
> You can't perform provocation studies in areas sodden with EMFs.
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Paul Coffman"
> <pkcoff@...> wrote:
> >
> > I had something happen today that made me rethink this whole EMF
> thing. I
> > decided to blind test myself with a wireless router with my uncle.
> Before
> > the test, we were in his basement and I was holding the router in
> my hand
> > and plugging it in and noticing pain between my ears like I
> normally do and
> > then turning it off and the pain goes away. Then for the test I
> had my
> > uncle write series of 8 yes or no's - a yes would mean he would
> turn the
> > router on and a no would mean he would turn it off. Then 8 times I
> would
> > leave and come into the room and stand right next to this thing and
> not look
> > at it so I didn't know if it was on or off and then see I would
> write down
> > on my own paper if I felt the router on or off. I was sure I would
> score
> > 100%. During the test I was pretty sure on some and then very
> sure on a
> > couple. However, when I compared the results I was wrong about
> half the
> > time, including the times when I was very sure this thing was on or
> very
> > sure it was off - as in no symptoms, even though it was on. We did
> this
> > test again with the same inaccuracies by me. This lead me to
> conclude 1 of
> > 2 things:
> >
> > 1.) These energy fields really don't have a biological effect and
> it is
> > 100% psychological.
> > 2.) These energy fileds do have a biological effect, but my mind or
> > subconscious plays a gigantic role on how they actually affect me.
> >
> > There's a ton of studies that say there is a definite biological
> effect by
> > these energy fields on cellular function, so #1 can't be the case,
> so right
> > now I am thinking it is #2. I don't yet know what or how I will
> continue
> > with dealing with this issue because I too have had my life ruined
> by it,
> > but it makes me start looking at this thing differently and
> believing alot
> > more in the power of my mind or life force or whatever else is
> reacting so
> > horribly to this stuff. I have a hypno therapist I'm going to
> start seeing
> > in earnest again I think at this point. Try some similar test
> yourself and
> > see what happens, it may surprise you as it did me.
> >
> > On 9/2/07, jbbolden24 <jbbolden24@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am about ready to end my life over this damn problem. I have
> been
> > > in pain for 4 years since my initial exposure. I have tried damn
> near
> > > everything.
> > >
> > > I have tried: NMT, BIOFEEDBACK, various vitamin supplements, I
> have
> > > gotten two sinus surgeries, and just last Friday, I have gotten my
> > > wisdom tooth pulled. Nothing, I mean nothing, that I have tried
> has
> > > stopped my EMF Sensitivity.
> > >
> > > It is almost as if my body just wants to be in pain. I have the
> same
> > > pain in the back of my gums that I had in the beginning. I have
> had
> > > come and go bouts of facial tingling, burning, and etc. However,
> > > those symptoms come and go. However, the pain in my nerves where
> my
> > > wisdom teeth would be located in my upper jaw NEVER STOPS. How in
> the
> > > hell can my body get caught in such a damn infinite loop like
> this?
> > > It hasn't stoppped since I was overexposed damn near 4 year ago.
> > >
> > > Before October of 2003, I couldn't even FEEL EMF's. Now, I can't
> even
> > > imagine what it was like to feel that way anymomre. Never in my
> life
> > > did I ever think that I would encounter a problem so damn hard to
> > > solve. I mean, I can't even get relief. I don't understand why my
> > > body doesn't RESPOND to anything like other people's on here did.
> > >
> > > My immune system doesn't seem to respond to ANYTHING. The only
> time I
> > > get any type of relief is if I take a shower, or go to sleep, or
> go
> > > outside and get some fresh air. I build up some sort of tolerance.
> > > However, once my body senses EMF's in the environment again, it
> goes
> > > right back to the same painful state that it was in before.
> > >
> > > I have tried EMF protection devices, and none of them made a
> > > difference. I just don't know what to do.
> > >
> > > I am not sure what vitamins to take to heal my injured nervous
> system.
> > >
> > > Just recently, I have just purchased some Vitamin B-12, Gotu
> Kola, bee
> > > pollen, and etc. I have read somewhere that these supplements were
> > > good in healing injured nerves. I really need help and advice,
> > > because I am on the verge of taking my own life over this
> disorder.
> > >
> > > Someone please get back to me,
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Coffman
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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Re: Home provocation experiments

evie15422
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Hi, Daniel,
   
Just a question.... What do you mean by geopathic sensitive? I mean howdo you react and how do you know that is what is causing the problem?  
   
I ask because I am sensitive in particular areas of my state (Pennsylvania). I SEEM to be extremely bad around areas with large iron ore deposits. I am guessing that perhaps magnetic frequencies might be attracted to these areas???? I do not know exactly what the problem is, but it is very muchlike ES X 10. What I mean is it is the same symptoms, except they are 10 times or more worse than what I get with cell and microwave towers. I haveto use an asthmatic inhaler just to breathe, it is similar to going into anaphylactic shock, somewhat.  
   
I have never been driving at the time and whoever I am with gets me out of the areas quickly (because they are headed for a hospital!), but when I get away from the area, I recover (not immediately, but rather quickly considering how ill get). I continue to be moderately ill for about 4 to 6 hours after, but the crisis passes quickly. My blood pressure plummets while in the area and I also get bad chest pains, as well as horrific head pain, and nausea. I just wondered if this was a reaction similar to what you experience, since it seems to be a sensitivity to an entire area, regardless oftower activity or lack of it. (And these are country areas where it is very unlikely that any real technology exists for many miles usually anyway.)
   
Hope you do not mind me writing privately. I wish you well,
Diane aka Evie

danielferres <[hidden email]> wrote:
         
Maybe you need also to avoid geopathic stressed zones.
Which also could affect your experiments.

Sorry, I hadn't introduced myself yet.
My name is Daniel and I'm ElectroSensitive and GeopathicSensitive
from Spain.

Regards,
Daniel

--- In [hidden email], "asurisuk" <asurisuk@...> wrote:
>
> If you were living in a house in a remote, rural, virtually RF free
> environment, like where I am, and you came home from a walk in the
> hills and someone had hidden a switched on DECT phone in your house
> while you were out. I GUARANTEE that you would know INSTANTLY that
> something major had changed. If you have ES like mine, that is.
>
> You can't perform provocation studies in areas sodden with EMFs.
>



                         

       
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Re: I am about ready to give up.

BiBrun
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If you've got one of the bad adenoviruses then I doubt
diet will have much effect at all, certainly not allow one
to lose weight. Exercise maybe, but that might be risky too
(any thoughts on whether exercise is good for ES people??).

And I would expect antibiotics and growth hormones in
most store bought animal fat could make matters worse.

Bill

On 9/6/07, skrzn < [hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Those who can gain weight on High saturated fat, moderate meat, low
> to zero carbohydrate cannot be mammals.
> www.paleodiet.com
> It is hard to do, and hard to find pure food.
> The problem is that carbs are addictive, and people fool themselves.
>
> William
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie
> <evie15422@...> wrote:
> I just threw the
> saturated fat idea out there incase some here have tried it all and
> the all doesn't work for them either. The thing, too, was that I
> LOST weight instead of gaining on the saturated fat. I am thinking
> that if you gain on saturated fat, this is probably not doing a thing
> for you re toxin removal.
>
>  
>


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Marc Martin
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> Exercise maybe, but that might be risky too
> (any thoughts on whether exercise is good for ES people??).

It seems from most people's comments here, exercise
is good for ES people. Most likely the effect it
has on lymphatic congestion.

Of course, one should make sure not to overdo any
exercise...

Marc

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evie15422
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Exercise is essential for ES people! The lymphatic system runs by muscle movement. Without exercise your lymphatic system would overload with toxic crap! If you are very ill, you need to lie with your feet propped up against the wall or over the back of a sofa so the lymph will move; otherwise you will probably get sicker (since whatever it is that is making you ill is not moving anywhere while you are busy lying in bed).

Just my 2 cents,
Diane

Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:
If you've got one of the bad adenoviruses then I doubt
diet will have much effect at all, certainly not allow one
to lose weight. Exercise maybe, but that might be risky too
(any thoughts on whether exercise is good for ES people??).

And I would expect antibiotics and growth hormones in
most store bought animal fat could make matters worse.

Bill

On 9/6/07, skrzn < [hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Those who can gain weight on High saturated fat, moderate meat, low
> to zero carbohydrate cannot be mammals.
> www.paleodiet.com
> It is hard to do, and hard to find pure food.
> The problem is that carbs are addictive, and people fool themselves.
>
> William
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Evie
> <evie15422@...> wrote:
> I just threw the
> saturated fat idea out there incase some here have tried it all and
> the all doesn't work for them either. The thing, too, was that I
> LOST weight instead of gaining on the saturated fat. I am thinking
> that if you gain on saturated fat, this is probably not doing a thing
> for you re toxin removal.
>
>
>

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evie15422
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OOOPS, I thought I was writing privately. The cut and paste apparently didn't work. lol

Well, anyway, anyone have any thoughts on this subject? Not sure if it is off-topic, but if you think it is, just write me privately.

Thanks, Diane

Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi, Daniel,

Just a question.... What do you mean by geopathic sensitive? I mean how do you react and how do you know that is what is causing the problem?

I ask because I am sensitive in particular areas of my state (Pennsylvania). I SEEM to be extremely bad around areas with large iron ore deposits. I am guessing that perhaps magnetic frequencies might be attracted to these areas???? I do not know exactly what the problem is, but it is very much like ES X 10. What I mean is it is the same symptoms, except they are 10 times or more worse than what I get with cell and microwave towers. I have to use an asthmatic inhaler just to breathe, it is similar to going into anaphylactic shock, somewhat.

I have never been driving at the time and whoever I am with gets me out of the areas quickly (because they are headed for a hospital!), but when I get away from the area, I recover (not immediately, but rather quickly considering how ill get). I continue to be moderately ill for about 4 to 6 hours after, but the crisis passes quickly. My blood pressure plummets while in the area and I also get bad chest pains, as well as horrific head pain, and nausea. I just wondered if this was a reaction similar to what you experience, since it seems to be a sensitivity to an entire area, regardless of tower activity or lack of it. (And these are country areas where it is very unlikely that any real technology exists for many miles usually anyway.)

Hope you do not mind me writing privately. I wish you well,
Diane aka Evie

danielferres <[hidden email]> wrote:

Maybe you need also to avoid geopathic stressed zones.
Which also could affect your experiments.

Sorry, I hadn't introduced myself yet.
My name is Daniel and I'm ElectroSensitive and GeopathicSensitive
from Spain.

Regards,
Daniel

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> If you were living in a house in a remote, rural, virtually RF free
> environment, like where I am, and you came home from a walk in the
> hills and someone had hidden a switched on DECT phone in your house
> while you were out. I GUARANTEE that you would know INSTANTLY that
> something major had changed. If you have ES like mine, that is.
>
> You can't perform provocation studies in areas sodden with EMFs.
>

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Marc Martin
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> Well, anyway, anyone have any thoughts on this subject? Not sure if it
> is off-topic, but if you think it is, just write me privately.

"Geopathic Stress" is, I believe, similar to ES, except that it's
certain geographic areas that bother you. I think that some of
the EMF protection devices should work for both types of problems,
as many of them are simply countering "bad energy" with "good
energy".

One of the earliest devices I tried was specifically designed
for geopathic stress:

http://www.alivewater.net/prod/cets.htm

And although I could certainly feel a slight difference from
these products, it wasn't enough to make any difference for
my computer tolerance, which was my primary objective. Also,
they made my cats urinate on the carpet... :-(

Marc

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In a message dated 9/6/2007 8:01:50 PM GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes:

people much less than the building mounted cell phone transmitters
and shorter towers. On the other hand, driving past the Santa Fe Opera
my ears began to ring. I thought at first it meant something else could
cause it. Then I noticed there are funny looking things on some of the
lamp posts. With a meter I later confirmed those are transmitters (strong
ones too).

Many times I have 'heard' a cell tower before I could spot it.

Also, there have been cases working with small AC EMF sources where I
did not expect the small amount of time at arms length to be a problem,
but that night realized I was suffering greatly from the exposure. And
the sounds buzzing in my head were exactly like the sound the source
made... kind of weird. I also am beginning to speculate that if I can
listen
carefully to my tinnitus I can sometimes tell what kind of exposure caused
it. When
there's too many exposures or they're too strong it has not been possible.

Bill




I am with you on this I have similar Tinitus problems, but I can relaibly
detect masts if they are beaming in my direction ie like the ones on motorways.
We were travelling in a mountinaous region in norway this year and I was
able to tell that we were approaching a mast 9 times out of ten, even when
obscured by trees and outcrops. We visited a town called Allesund and when we
drove toward it at one point I got a sudden stabbing pain in my head, normally
I get a mild tingle on my scalp initially on the side that the antenna is
facing, we could not see anything until bang there was the mother of all
transmitters on the hill, and we were heading right to it for a coffe in the hilltop
restaurant !! not my choice as I was not driving. I find that being in a
vehicle increases my sensitivity, to the point that as we travel past low hund
electrical cables alongside the road I can feel these, agian these are often
hidden by trees along the road. Its no way phychosomatic but yes we can get
a little to focussed on this but who the hell woulnt given the circumstances
we find our selves in !!!!!!!!

PAUL UK






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