Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

 
Hi All, I need your help & direction:
 
I had a Building Biologist come to my home to test due to my electrical sensitivities. (Thank you Bob Grommes for the referral).
 
I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It is what has been killing me in this house.
 
As a lot of you know I have progressively gotten worse since living in this house & had resorted to sleeping at the park in my van & now that it gothot; on top of my van. Then I go in to my house for as little time as possible back out to a safe public place. Well, safer than my house I mean. ha
 
The reading was 1000 times what the body can handle in my bedroom & my kitchen & family room. My living areas. So being immune compromised as we all are makes it much more harmful.
 
I called the superindendant of schools & they pretty much said tuff.
 
I am trying a faraday canopy from the biologist that keeps 99 % of the radiation out. It works, my symptoms go away & I can now sleep in my bed. However, I can not live in my bed. I know for sure it is the radiation from these antennas however.
 
Shielding products are very expensive & times are tuff for us right now butI am getting quotes.
 
I just can't afford to shield the whole house which is probably what is needed for someone with MCS who may get more sensitive if I don't block it all. Scary stuff.
 
Symtoms are: Headache, brain fog, no energy, pain in gut, nervous stress toa huge degree, body frame weakness like I am going to break at any moment.
 
How can I get them to move these anntennas? Any ideas. Is there a lawyer anyone knows that has a passion for this that might do Pro Bono?
 
I need help before this non stop radiation kills me.
 
I went to a friends last night in Gold Canyon. It was heaven to me. I couldbreath. He said he drops calls all the time. I wasn't surprised.
 
I could get better & get my life back if I could get them to move these antennas.
 
I have some pictures of me in this canopy. I am going to get letters from my doctors to send to the superindendants.
 
I would love to go around the neighborhood & find out who has had medical problems but getting closer to the waves will be to dangerous for me right now.
 
Loni
 
 
 
 


     

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> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It
> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only
need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc

> > I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
> > radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
> > anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It
> > is what has been killing me in this house.

Also, for cellphone towers, I've read about people placing "orgonite
tower busters" near the offending tower. I don't have any personal
experience with this, nor do I recall anyone here having any success
with this. So it may not do anything. However, orgonite devices are
typically so cheap (less than $10) that it might be worth a try...
just do a Google search on "Orgonite", "Holy Hand Grenades" (HHG),
"Tower Busters", etc.

Marc

Here's one idea that could help. We had radiation coming through the wall
from our neighbours' cordless phones, wifi etc. We took the shielding
canopy for the bed (where it didn't help us much) and hung it along the
wall. It worked well and cut down the signal to almost nothing - at a
fraction of the cost and hassle of shielding paints, metals etc. Worth a
go?

Getting a school to move antennas, and getting anyone to accept their
effects, could take months or years. Doubt whether you'd find a lawyer who
would take it on -except for a fat fee - don't go there :-(

Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: 25 June 2008 22:40
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction



> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It
> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only
need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc






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Hi Marc, Thanks for the reply.
 
No, I am returning the Quantum Home. Not what I really need here. Need someshielding. The cell towers are on the back side of my house. I have a direct view of all of them. They are on the light posts at the football stadium& I thought they were part of the lighting. This was the worse house I could have chosen. These anntennas are all over this area too because it is a busy intersection.
 
The levels in the den which is in the front were too high for me also. Skinwas burning when I tried to sleep in there.
 
I was thinking about one side but the tint contractor usually does whole houses. I need the back wall covered to so I am getting bids. But...you know....... this shielding material is very expensive.
 
I would like get ideas on how to fight this & get them to move the darn killers.
 
Ideas on shielding are great too. I am looking in to the tint for windows &then the screen material to line the back of the house with.
 
Now the rood is made of concrete tile so do you think it will be slower to get through the roof????
 
Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM






> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It
> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only
need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc

 














     

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How would you make sure they stayed there. They are on school property. Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:51 PM






> > I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
> > radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
> > anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It
> > is what has been killing me in this house.

Also, for cellphone towers, I've read about people placing "orgonite
tower busters" near the offending tower. I don't have any personal
experience with this, nor do I recall anyone here having any success
with this. So it may not do anything. However, orgonite devices are
typically so cheap (less than $10) that it might be worth a try...
just do a Google search on "Orgonite", "Holy Hand Grenades" (HHG),
"Tower Busters", etc.

Marc
 














     

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> How would you make sure they stayed there. They are on school property.

As I recall, the orgonite devices only need to be near the towers (like,
within a 1/4 mile, although closer is better), so you could place them
somewhere just outside of the property. Also, you could bury them in
the ground or hide them in a bush where they'd likely not be moved.

But again, I don't think we have anyone here on this group who's done
this, so I don't know how well it would work for people with ES. I
just recall that these things are cheap, and have a certain following.

Marc

Ok thanks. Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 4:43 PM






> How would you make sure they stayed there. They are on school property.

As I recall, the orgonite devices only need to be near the towers (like,
within a 1/4 mile, although closer is better), so you could place them
somewhere just outside of the property. Also, you could bury them in
the ground or hide them in a bush where they'd likely not be moved.

But again, I don't think we have anyone here on this group who's done
this, so I don't know how well it would work for people with ES. I
just recall that these things are cheap, and have a certain following.

Marc
 














     

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Loni,

I do live mostly in my tent; but because you shouldn't have to, this
article may inspire you to find an angle of attack.

from The Times
November 20, 2006
Health fears lead schools to dismantle wireless networks
# Radiation levels blamed for illnesses
# Teacher became too sick to work
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/education/article642575.ece


- Chris in Philly


--- In [hidden email], Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:
>
>  
> Hi All, I need your help & direction:
>  
> I had a Building Biologist come to my home to test due to my
electrical sensitivities. (Thank you Bob Grommes for the referral).
.  
SNIP
.  
> I could get better & get my life back if I could get them to move
these antennas.
>  
> I have some pictures of me in this canopy. I am going to get letters
from my doctors to send to the superindendants.
>  
> I would love to go around the neighborhood & find out who has had
medical problems but getting closer to the waves will be to dangerous
for me right now.
>  
> Loni

Hello,

a faraday canopy is the very last thing we do recommend, because they
generally do have some disadvantages.
Some people cannot stand them and throw them away after a few weeks.

One disadvantage is, that the material is too close to the body, and
electrical fields are attracted by the material.
Also, something is happening with the air inside.

The best canopies however are those of Aaronia. They do shield much more, do
not have this *air-thing*, but cost more.

We prefer shielding against SOME walls and windows.

And aluminium should be avoided.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender



----- Original Message -----
From: "Loni Rosser" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>;
<[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>;
<[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:21 PM
Subject: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction



Hi All, I need your help & direction:

I had a Building Biologist come to my home to test due to my electrical
sensitivities. (Thank you Bob Grommes for the referral).

I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It is
what has been killing me in this house.

As a lot of you know I have progressively gotten worse since living in this
house & had resorted to sleeping at the park in my van & now that it got
hot; on top of my van. Then I go in to my house for as little time as
possible back out to a safe public place. Well, safer than my house I mean.
ha

The reading was 1000 times what the body can handle in my bedroom & my
kitchen & family room. My living areas. So being immune compromised as we
all are makes it much more harmful.

I called the superindendant of schools & they pretty much said tuff.

I am trying a faraday canopy from the biologist that keeps 99 % of the
radiation out. It works, my symptoms go away & I can now sleep in my bed.
However, I can not live in my bed. I know for sure it is the radiation from
these antennas however.

Shielding products are very expensive & times are tuff for us right now but
I am getting quotes.

I just can't afford to shield the whole house which is probably what is
needed for someone with MCS who may get more sensitive if I don't block it
all. Scary stuff.

Symtoms are: Headache, brain fog, no energy, pain in gut, nervous stress to
a huge degree, body frame weakness like I am going to break at any moment.

How can I get them to move these anntennas? Any ideas. Is there a lawyer
anyone knows that has a passion for this that might do Pro Bono?

I need help before this non stop radiation kills me.

I went to a friends last night in Gold Canyon. It was heaven to me. I could
breath. He said he drops calls all the time. I wasn't surprised.

I could get better & get my life back if I could get them to move these
antennas.

I have some pictures of me in this canopy. I am going to get letters from my
doctors to send to the superindendants.

I would love to go around the neighborhood & find out who has had medical
problems but getting closer to the waves will be to dangerous for me right
now.

Loni








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Further thoughts. In the UK we can get metal woven fabric, the same
material as the faraday canopy but for much lower prices. This was good for
hanging on the inside of the walls to give shielding. (We used the faraday
canopy for this as wel in the end - as Charles says, it may be of limited
use).

The biggest single gain comes from putting shielding netting over the
windows. The reason is that walls do tend to absorb and cut down the
microwave signal (as they contain water). British houses with thick brick
walls are good on this, US houses less so if they are only think wood
planking (though wood is a good absorber). But glass has no absorptive
power at all and lets the signal straight through. If you have an acoustic
meter and hold it by the wall and by a window, you should notice a big
difference! So shield the windows - like net curtains in appearance, but
metallised.

Best wishes, Ian and Sue

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ian
Kemp
Sent: 25 June 2008 22:55
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction



Here's one idea that could help. We had radiation coming through the wall
from our neighbours' cordless phones, wifi etc. We took the shielding
canopy for the bed (where it didn't help us much) and hung it along the
wall. It worked well and cut down the signal to almost nothing - at a
fraction of the cost and hassle of shielding paints, metals etc. Worth a
go?

Getting a school to move antennas, and getting anyone to accept their
effects, could take months or years. Doubt whether you'd find a lawyer who
would take it on -except for a fat fee - don't go there :-(

Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
Of Marc
Martin
Sent: 25 June 2008 22:40
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It
> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only
need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc

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Hi Ian,

Do you have any explanation for why hanging the same material on the windows was helpful, but when you made an enclosure (canopy) it was not? Maybe, it depends on what you mean but not helpful?

Emil
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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 03:43 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction


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Hallo,
I had the chance to test one small orgonite device - tower buster - of about 7 cm in diameter. Attached to the metallic construction of a base stationthey may work; buried in the ground even only 10 m away is not sufficient.
It needs a special technology, to do the neutralizing of this radiation from a distance. Even this I would not prefer, because in the case of ES this often would not be enough. This has to do with the very strong resonance ES-people have for the causing scalar waves, usually stronger than the known neutralizing devices. And this resonance is influenced greatly by distance.So a neutralizing device best has to be attached to the tower.

dietrich gruen


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Von: Loni Rosser <[hidden email]>
An: [hidden email]
Verschickt: Do., 26. Jun. 2008, 1:54
Thema: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction






Ok thanks. Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 4:43 PM

> How would you make sure they stayed there. They are on school property.

As I recall, the orgonite devices only need to be near the towers (like,
within a 1/4 mile, although closer is better), so you could place them
somewhere just outside of the property. Also, you could bury them in
the ground or hide them in a bush where they'd likely not be moved.

But again, I don't think we have anyone here on this group who's done
this, so I don't know how well it would work for people with ES. I
just recall that these things are cheap, and have a certain following.

Marc


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Hi Chris,
 
Have you been fighting to get the anntenna's removed? What is your story ifyou don't mind sharing. My skin burns in this house. I don't have much time for a change. I keep trying to figure out how to get out of here. I just don't know what to do. Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, prophit1970 <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: prophit1970 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 9:26 PM






Loni,

I do live mostly in my tent; but because you shouldn't have to, this
article may inspire you to find an angle of attack.

from The Times
November 20, 2006
Health fears lead schools to dismantle wireless networks
# Radiation levels blamed for illnesses
# Teacher became too sick to work
http://www.timesonl ine.co.uk/ tol/life_ and_style/ education/ article642575. ece

- Chris in Philly

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Loni Rosser <loni326@... > wrote:
>
>
> Hi All, I need your help & direction:
>
> I had a Building Biologist come to my home to test due to my
electrical sensitivities. (Thank you Bob Grommes for the referral).
.
SNIP
.
> I could get better & get my life back if I could get them to move
these antennas.
>
> I have some pictures of me in this canopy. I am going to get letters
from my doctors to send to the superindendants.
>
> I would love to go around the neighborhood & find out who has had
medical problems but getting closer to the waves will be to dangerous
for me right now.
>
> Loni

 














     

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Hi Charles,
 
Is Aaronia the fabric, do you have a good source of which to purchase these?
 
I would rather do the shielding of the house itself but it is so expensive.
 
I am concerned about reacting to the material.
 
I am having a reaction to the one I am trying. I think some radiation is getting in.
 
Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 11:30 PM

Hello,

a faraday canopy is the very last thing we do recommend, because they
generally do have some disadvantages.
Some people cannot stand them and throw them away after a few weeks.

One disadvantage is, that the material is too close to the body, and
electrical fields are attracted by the material.
Also, something is happening with the air inside.

The best canopies however are those of Aaronia. They do shield much more, do
not have this *air-thing*, but cost more.

We prefer shielding against SOME walls and windows.

And aluminium should be avoided.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender



----- Original Message -----
From: "Loni Rosser" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>;
<[hidden email]>;
<[hidden email]>;
<[hidden email]>;
<[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:21 PM
Subject: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction



Hi All, I need your help & direction:

I had a Building Biologist come to my home to test due to my electrical
sensitivities. (Thank you Bob Grommes for the referral).

I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It is
what has been killing me in this house.

As a lot of you know I have progressively gotten worse since living in this
house & had resorted to sleeping at the park in my van & now that it
got
hot; on top of my van. Then I go in to my house for as little time as
possible back out to a safe public place. Well, safer than my house I mean.
ha

The reading was 1000 times what the body can handle in my bedroom & my
kitchen & family room. My living areas. So being immune compromised as we
all are makes it much more harmful.

I called the superindendant of schools & they pretty much said tuff.

I am trying a faraday canopy from the biologist that keeps 99 % of the
radiation out. It works, my symptoms go away & I can now sleep in my bed.
However, I can not live in my bed. I know for sure it is the radiation from
these antennas however.

Shielding products are very expensive & times are tuff for us right now but

I am getting quotes.

I just can't afford to shield the whole house which is probably what is
needed for someone with MCS who may get more sensitive if I don't block it
all. Scary stuff.

Symtoms are: Headache, brain fog, no energy, pain in gut, nervous stress to
a huge degree, body frame weakness like I am going to break at any moment.

How can I get them to move these anntennas? Any ideas. Is there a lawyer
anyone knows that has a passion for this that might do Pro Bono?

I need help before this non stop radiation kills me.

I went to a friends last night in Gold Canyon. It was heaven to me. I could
breath. He said he drops calls all the time. I wasn't surprised.

I could get better & get my life back if I could get them to move these
antennas.

I have some pictures of me in this canopy. I am going to get letters from my
doctors to send to the superindendants.

I would love to go around the neighborhood & find out who has had medical
problems but getting closer to the waves will be to dangerous for me right
now.

Loni








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Ian & Sue,
 
Thanks for this info. That gives me some hope. I am getting a quote on doing tint on the windows. This tint is supposed to cut it down 99.5% is the claim.
 
Do you know anything about the tint?
 
My walls are wood frame with stucco. Must be some insulation in the walls too. I'd like to avoid the walls but think because of my sensitivy I'll haveto them also.
 
Ok, I will shield the windows. I can't do it quick enough. I am suffering so much here.
 
Loni
 

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 12:43 AM






Further thoughts. In the UK we can get metal woven fabric, the same
material as the faraday canopy but for much lower prices. This was good for
hanging on the inside of the walls to give shielding. (We used the faraday
canopy for this as wel in the end - as Charles says, it may be of limited
use).

The biggest single gain comes from putting shielding netting over the
windows. The reason is that walls do tend to absorb and cut down the
microwave signal (as they contain water). British houses with thick brick
walls are good on this, US houses less so if they are only think wood
planking (though wood is a good absorber). But glass has no absorptive
power at all and lets the signal straight through. If you have an acoustic
meter and hold it by the wall and by a window, you should notice a big
difference! So shield the windows - like net curtains in appearance, but
metallised.

Best wishes, Ian and Sue

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ian
Kemp
Sent: 25 June 2008 22:55
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Here's one idea that could help. We had radiation coming through the wall
from our neighbours' cordless phones, wifi etc. We took the shielding
canopy for the bed (where it didn't help us much) and hung it along the
wall. It worked well and cut down the signal to almost nothing - at a
fraction of the cost and hassle of shielding paints, metals etc. Worth a
go?

Getting a school to move antennas, and getting anyone to accept their
effects, could take months or years. Doubt whether you'd find a lawyer who
would take it on -except for a fat fee - don't go there :-(

Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
[mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com] On Behalf
Of Marc
Martin
Sent: 25 June 2008 22:40
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It
> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only
need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc

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Hi there, So these antennas are on a light post at the school. How would I get them on?
 
Loni

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 7:38 AM






Hallo,
I had the chance to test one small orgonite device - tower buster - of about 7 cm in diameter. Attached to the metallic construction of a base stationthey may work; buried in the ground even only 10 m away is not sufficient.
It needs a special technology, to do the neutralizing of this radiation from a distance. Even this I would not prefer, because in the case of ES this often would not be enough. This has to do with the very strong resonance ES-people have for the causing scalar waves, usually stronger than the known neutralizing devices. And this resonance is influenced greatly by distance.So a neutralizing device best has to be attached to the tower.

dietrich gruen

-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-- ---
Von: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
An: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Verschickt: Do., 26. Jun. 2008, 1:54
Thema: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Ok thanks. Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 4:43 PM

> How would you make sure they stayed there. They are on school property.

As I recall, the orgonite devices only need to be near the towers (like,
within a 1/4 mile, although closer is better), so you could place them
somewhere just outside of the property. Also, you could bury them in
the ground or hide them in a bush where they'd likely not be moved.

But again, I don't think we have anyone here on this group who's done
this, so I don't know how well it would work for people with ES. I
just recall that these things are cheap, and have a certain following.

Marc

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Hello Loni,

The Aaronia material can be seen at:

http://test1.contenttest.net/Aaronia-Shield_en.shtml

I suppose, that you are in the USA.
Perhaps Lessemf does have this in their programm also.

I meant the Aaronia canopies.

If you want to shield the walls and windows, other materials can be
considered.
Lessemf can supply the necessary materials.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: "Loni Rosser" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction


Hi Charles,

Is Aaronia the fabric, do you have a good source of which to purchase these?

I would rather do the shielding of the house itself but it is so expensive.

I am concerned about reacting to the material.

I am having a reaction to the one I am trying. I think some radiation is
getting in.

Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 11:30 PM

Hello,

a faraday canopy is the very last thing we do recommend, because they
generally do have some disadvantages.
Some people cannot stand them and throw them away after a few weeks.

One disadvantage is, that the material is too close to the body, and
electrical fields are attracted by the material.
Also, something is happening with the air inside.

The best canopies however are those of Aaronia. They do shield much more, do
not have this *air-thing*, but cost more.

We prefer shielding against SOME walls and windows.

And aluminium should be avoided.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: "Loni Rosser" <[hidden email]>
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Cc: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:21 PM
Subject: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction



Hi All, I need your help & direction:

I had a Building Biologist come to my home to test due to my electrical
sensitivities. (Thank you Bob Grommes for the referral).

I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It is
what has been killing me in this house.

As a lot of you know I have progressively gotten worse since living in this
house & had resorted to sleeping at the park in my van & now that it
got
hot; on top of my van. Then I go in to my house for as little time as
possible back out to a safe public place. Well, safer than my house I mean.
ha

The reading was 1000 times what the body can handle in my bedroom & my
kitchen & family room. My living areas. So being immune compromised as we
all are makes it much more harmful.

I called the superindendant of schools & they pretty much said tuff.

I am trying a faraday canopy from the biologist that keeps 99 % of the
radiation out. It works, my symptoms go away & I can now sleep in my bed.
However, I can not live in my bed. I know for sure it is the radiation from
these antennas however.

Shielding products are very expensive & times are tuff for us right now but

I am getting quotes.

I just can't afford to shield the whole house which is probably what is
needed for someone with MCS who may get more sensitive if I don't block it
all. Scary stuff.

Symtoms are: Headache, brain fog, no energy, pain in gut, nervous stress to
a huge degree, body frame weakness like I am going to break at any moment.

How can I get them to move these anntennas? Any ideas. Is there a lawyer
anyone knows that has a passion for this that might do Pro Bono?

I need help before this non stop radiation kills me.

I went to a friends last night in Gold Canyon. It was heaven to me. I could
breath. He said he drops calls all the time. I wasn't surprised.

I could get better & get my life back if I could get them to move these
antennas.

I have some pictures of me in this canopy. I am going to get letters from my
doctors to send to the superindendants.

I would love to go around the neighborhood & find out who has had medical
problems but getting closer to the waves will be to dangerous for me right
now.

Loni








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Does anyone know about the roof?  I have a concrete tile roof. The tiles are about an inch thick. Will the radiation get through them? 
 
I am getting a bid on these square screens to put up on the outside wall of the house where it is coming in the worse.  Loni

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 12:43 AM






Further thoughts. In the UK we can get metal woven fabric, the same
material as the faraday canopy but for much lower prices. This was good for
hanging on the inside of the walls to give shielding. (We used the faraday
canopy for this as wel in the end - as Charles says, it may be of limited
use).

The biggest single gain comes from putting shielding netting over the
windows. The reason is that walls do tend to absorb and cut down the
microwave signal (as they contain water). British houses with thick brick
walls are good on this, US houses less so if they are only think wood
planking (though wood is a good absorber). But glass has no absorptive
power at all and lets the signal straight through. If you have an acoustic
meter and hold it by the wall and by a window, you should notice a big
difference! So shield the windows - like net curtains in appearance, but
metallised.

Best wishes, Ian and Sue

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From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ian
Kemp
Sent: 25 June 2008 22:55
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Here's one idea that could help. We had radiation coming through the wall
from our neighbours' cordless phones, wifi etc. We took the shielding
canopy for the bed (where it didn't help us much) and hung it along the
wall. It worked well and cut down the signal to almost nothing - at a
fraction of the cost and hassle of shielding paints, metals etc. Worth a
go?

Getting a school to move antennas, and getting anyone to accept their
effects, could take months or years. Doubt whether you'd find a lawyer who
would take it on -except for a fat fee - don't go there :-(

Ian

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Of Marc
Martin
Sent: 25 June 2008 22:40
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It
> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only
need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc

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Yes I am in the USA. Where are you?
 
I would rather shield the house than to have a canopy but it is so expensive. I'll look into this. Thank you so much charles.
 
Loni

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 9:09 AM

Hello Loni,

The Aaronia material can be seen at:

http://test1.contenttest.net/Aaronia-Shield_en.shtml

I suppose, that you are in the USA.
Perhaps Lessemf does have this in their programm also.

I meant the Aaronia canopies.

If you want to shield the walls and windows, other materials can be
considered.
Lessemf can supply the necessary materials.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Loni Rosser" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction


Hi Charles,

Is Aaronia the fabric, do you have a good source of which to purchase these?

I would rather do the shielding of the house itself but it is so expensive.

I am concerned about reacting to the material.

I am having a reaction to the one I am trying. I think some radiation is
getting in.

Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 11:30 PM

Hello,

a faraday canopy is the very last thing we do recommend, because they
generally do have some disadvantages.
Some people cannot stand them and throw them away after a few weeks.

One disadvantage is, that the material is too close to the body, and
electrical fields are attracted by the material.
Also, something is happening with the air inside.

The best canopies however are those of Aaronia. They do shield much more, do
not have this *air-thing*, but cost more.

We prefer shielding against SOME walls and windows.

And aluminium should be avoided.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: "Loni Rosser" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>;
<[hidden email]>;
<[hidden email]>;
<[hidden email]>;
<[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:21 PM
Subject: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction



Hi All, I need your help & direction:

I had a Building Biologist come to my home to test due to my electrical
sensitivities. (Thank you Bob Grommes for the referral).

I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It is
what has been killing me in this house.

As a lot of you know I have progressively gotten worse since living in this
house & had resorted to sleeping at the park in my van & now that it
got
hot; on top of my van. Then I go in to my house for as little time as
possible back out to a safe public place. Well, safer than my house I mean.
ha

The reading was 1000 times what the body can handle in my bedroom & my
kitchen & family room. My living areas. So being immune compromised as we
all are makes it much more harmful.

I called the superindendant of schools & they pretty much said tuff.

I am trying a faraday canopy from the biologist that keeps 99 % of the
radiation out. It works, my symptoms go away & I can now sleep in my bed.
However, I can not live in my bed. I know for sure it is the radiation from
these antennas however.

Shielding products are very expensive & times are tuff for us right now but

I am getting quotes.

I just can't afford to shield the whole house which is probably what is
needed for someone with MCS who may get more sensitive if I don't block it
all. Scary stuff.

Symtoms are: Headache, brain fog, no energy, pain in gut, nervous stress to
a huge degree, body frame weakness like I am going to break at any moment.

How can I get them to move these anntennas? Any ideas. Is there a lawyer
anyone knows that has a passion for this that might do Pro Bono?

I need help before this non stop radiation kills me.

I went to a friends last night in Gold Canyon. It was heaven to me. I could
breath. He said he drops calls all the time. I wasn't surprised.

I could get better & get my life back if I could get them to move these
antennas.

I have some pictures of me in this canopy. I am going to get letters from my
doctors to send to the superindendants.

I would love to go around the neighborhood & find out who has had medical
problems but getting closer to the waves will be to dangerous for me right
now.

Loni








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