Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Loni,
I understand about the housing situation. Nobody likes to loose $10-50K
or more on your biggest financial investment. Talk to your husband
about the cost a staying there. There could be an even greater loss if
you get cancer and die.
At least in the short run, you are more likely going to freak out, get
sicker, and probably end up getting a divorce because of the hell,
conflict and extreme behavior.

What are the "costs" of staying? Sure, you may loose some money if you
try to sell it. Seriously look into renting it is selling is out of the
question.

Either way, it is time for you to leave for a while to take care of
yourself.

If your husband is bucking you, give him my phone number and tell him
to call me.
919. 787.3022.

Andrew



On Jun 27, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Loni Rosser wrote:

>
> The housing market is crap now & we'd loose a lot of money my husband
> will not be willing to let go.
>  
> I can't really stay because it's too harmful to me. Like now I am
> having reaction & my skin is burning.

writes:

and extreme behavior


This is the second post about behavior I've seen today so I was wondering
what you all are talking about? Like getting angry, depressed, or what?
Amy



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Yes, depression, all the way to fits of rage.

I have had 2 anxiety attacks and that is hard for me to even admit
since I used to be superman! I also used to get a kind of "Lyme Rage"
around cell phones radiation. Also, even to this day, I am drained
emotionally and physically around microwave radiation after some time.
It is like a very heavy feeling and then very drowsy (in addition to
burning sensations and the other pains). Yes, I feel sad (victim and
helpless) at times and then others I am so fu...king angry at this
condition I could kill someone.

Yes, angry, depressed, etc.

Thank you for inviting the clarification.
andrew
On Jun 27, 2008, at 5:44 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

In a message dated 6/27/2008 6:08:04 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Using a layer of RF absorber, on the inide of the shield, can elimated
> this phenomenon. So you end up with the best of both worlds: lower
> readings on the meter because less radiation is coming in, plus any
> tiny bit that does leak in gets absorbed by something other than your
> body.
>
> Emil
>



Emil can you suggest a specification here please ?
Paul UK






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In a message dated 6/27/2008 5:57:26 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Symtoms are: Headache, brain fog, no energy, pain in gut, nervous stress to
a huge degree, body frame weakness like I am going to break at any moment.
>

I think you will find many people are having these symtpoms, but don't
know why. They just get prescriptions from doctor who also doesn't know
enough.

> How can I get them to move these anntennas? Any ideas. Is there a lawyer
anyone knows that has a passion for this that might do Pro Bono?
>

The most visible effort (that I know of) here in the usa in Albuquerque,
is currently unsuccessful, and getting laughed at.
This won't change until more people are affected in a clear pattern that
becomes undeniable.

> I went to a friends last night in Gold Canyon. It was heaven to me. I
could breath. He said he drops calls all the time. I wasn't surprised.
>

Bingo. There is your solution, and further proof of your sensitivity.
Find a place with bad celphone reception, and low chance of adding
towers to that dead zone.
I know, that is hard. very hard.

Good luck,
Stewart


I am doing house by house building surveys here in UK for local government
as an ES surveyor I have a good glimpse on the RF stealth killers in peoples
homes, they are like lambs to the slaughter they as you have suggested have
not put 2&2 together as to why they are sick/unwell in so many cases, they
are being cheated but often their own simple greed (and that is a broad and
complex term) is part of the equation. Today as I was working I saw on TV a
new super high tech supermarket that allows payment with mobiles using some
form of scanning technique and purpose made modules for your mobile built into
trolleys, they evan showed robots that rome the shop that can receive your
mobile. Wireless for me means handing over our humanity in the long term (
with very few wires and plugs to pull if we change our minds !) a road that we
seem committed too at any price.
Do you have a faith in something greater than the frail human condition, if
not then now might be a good time to seek a higher purpose.

Also for a moment let the radiation flow through you , know your enemy, bend
like the willow, part of your weakness is un-chanelled fear and anger, you
are definitely not alone, we are comrades separated by nothing more than
trivial ground, in spirit we are connected and that will be our strength
learn to step aside like taking power naps, but you do need a sheild and an
electrosmog detector, I trust that you can adapt enough for the time being.

the power is yours !


P uk






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In a message dated 6/27/2008 11:01:15 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Yes, depression, all the way to fits of rage.

I have had 2 anxiety attacks and that is hard for me to even admit
since I used to be superman! I also used to get a kind of "Lyme Rage"
around cell phones radiation. Also, even to this day, I am drained
emotionally and physically around microwave radiation after some time.
It is like a very heavy feeling and then very drowsy (in addition to
burning sensations and the other pains). Yes, I feel sad (victim and
helpless) at times and then others I am so fu...king angry at this
condition I could kill someone.

Yes, angry, depressed, etc.

Thank you for inviting the clarification.
andrew
On Jun 27, 2008, at 5:44 PM, _javamdnss@aol.jav_ (mailto:[hidden email])
wrote:



The sad thing is that Microwave sickness does all it says on the can !
Perhaps in knowing that the symptoms are almost a foregone conclusion for those
with the knowledge and those with hybrid anatomical systems we can learn to
ZEN over the vectors that carry the stuff.
We are a collective with a highre purpose perhaps ?!






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Hi Loni,

We really feel for you. We know from Sue's experience that it is very tough
and frightening when trying to cope with ES. So you need something
practical to help you quickly.

First priority is to try to give yourself some rest from the source. You
can't move house quickly, so you need to escape from the house when you can.
Sue went out for a large part of the day, then we went to some nearby woods
by a lake and set up a tent. She slept in that on and off for some weeks
which gave her some respite - good sleep is a great help. I hear what you
said about the park - doesn't sound a great place. Is there any other quiet
place reasonably near? Trees and water are great - both absorb waves.
Obviously you need to work something out with your family for the times you
must be there.

With shielding I would again say - dealing with the walls and windows which
actually face the masts should cut down your exposure by 90% plus, the other
directions don't matter so much. Go for something simple and quick at the
moment and see if it helps. Not sure what you mean by "tint" on the
windows, we found the metallized gauze was just as good and kept the room
light. Try hanging your bed canopy over one window during the day, that
should at least help that room and give you one "safe space". The roof may
be OK but it depends on the angle the waves are coming in from - how high
the mast is and how far away it is. Unless the mast is very high and close
so that the waves come down through the roof, it should be OK. Remember
that the main beam of the microwaves, which gives the highest effect,
travels in straight lines.

Lastly, are you keeping your computer use to an absolute minimum? It can be
a big contributor to your exposure, especially the screen. I assume you
don't have cordless phones in the house or use mobile phones - both no-no's.
Presumably your building survey guy pointed out anything else inside the
house which might make the problems worse.

Once you can get some short term relief, you'll be able to think about
medium and longer term solutions with less worry.

Best wishes, Ian and Sue

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Loni
Rosser
Sent: 27 June 2008 04:05
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction



I can't seal my whole house. I was going to do the windows with tint first &
then maybe the back wall of the house with that screening material. But the
roof would be open & front of the house. I just can't afford to do it all.

I am in so much pain here I can't stand it. I want to run but I don't have
anywhere to go.

I have kids. OMG, what do I do? Loni

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
<mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 4:12 PM

The interesting question is, how much reduction of microwaves is enough to
make a real difference. With an Acousticom, Electrosmog detector or similar
simple instrument one can see that the main beam of microwaves travels in
straight lines - the signal is much stronger when a mast is directly visible
or there is a clear path through a window, and hiding behind a house or a
wall reduces it considerably. Yes, a small proportion of the waves can bend
round corners, but it seems to be only a few percent. Is that enough to
still cause problems? Depends on the person I guess.

For Sue, it was enough to put netting on walls which were exposed to our
neighbour's cordless phone and on one window which was in direct line of
sight from a mast, plus turning off the power at night and sleeping on a
foam mattress. That cut down her microwave, electric and magnetic field
exposures down a lot, though not 100%. She was able to sleep successfully
and this helped her regain her strength. We have since been fortunate
enough to move to a different area because my job changed, and carefully
selected a house where we couldn't measure any significant exposure. This
has worked well, apart from an MCS episode with a carpet!

Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Andrew McAfee
Sent: 26 June 2008 22:32
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Microwaves can travel around shielding like liquid.

You have to totally seal the room or it will leak and bounce around
inside.

Shielding can also resonate with the frequencies and cause a
detrimental effect in the room.

Earth grounding can pull frequencies into the room.

All doom and gloom? Are we totally fu..,ked?

After thousands of dollars, I have been unsuccessful in shielding my
bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar.

Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with
Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over
the windows, I feel worse in their and consequently have made the room
worse. I now sleep in another room of the house.

Now if I were in a really bad area like it seems you are, yes, some
shielding could help get the readings and hopefully the sensations
down.

I recommend moving.

Good luck.

I turn off the power at night and sleep on an organic foam mattress.

Andrew

On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:20 PM, paulpjc@aol. <mailto:paulpjc% 40aol.com> com
wrote:

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Hi Loni,
One more thought. It's tough on you and it's tough on your husband (and
family). It's really hard for you both to understand and a big strain -
we've been there. Hang on in there. It'll be hard for you both to
understand what's happening and how to cope with it - it's so far outside
most people's everyday experience. Your family almost certainly can't feel
any of the effects and will be struggling to understand. We'll be praying
for you as you work it through together.

Best wishes, Ian and Sue

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ian
Kemp
Sent: 28 June 2008 00:28
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction



Hi Loni,

We really feel for you. We know from Sue's experience that it is very tough
and frightening when trying to cope with ES. So you need something
practical to help you quickly.

First priority is to try to give yourself some rest from the source. You
can't move house quickly, so you need to escape from the house when you can.
Sue went out for a large part of the day, then we went to some nearby woods
by a lake and set up a tent. She slept in that on and off for some weeks
which gave her some respite - good sleep is a great help. I hear what you
said about the park - doesn't sound a great place. Is there any other quiet
place reasonably near? Trees and water are great - both absorb waves.
Obviously you need to work something out with your family for the times you
must be there.

With shielding I would again say - dealing with the walls and windows which
actually face the masts should cut down your exposure by 90% plus, the other
directions don't matter so much. Go for something simple and quick at the
moment and see if it helps. Not sure what you mean by "tint" on the
windows, we found the metallized gauze was just as good and kept the room
light. Try hanging your bed canopy over one window during the day, that
should at least help that room and give you one "safe space". The roof may
be OK but it depends on the angle the waves are coming in from - how high
the mast is and how far away it is. Unless the mast is very high and close
so that the waves come down through the roof, it should be OK. Remember
that the main beam of the microwaves, which gives the highest effect,
travels in straight lines.

Lastly, are you keeping your computer use to an absolute minimum? It can be
a big contributor to your exposure, especially the screen. I assume you
don't have cordless phones in the house or use mobile phones - both no-no's.
Presumably your building survey guy pointed out anything else inside the
house which might make the problems worse.

Once you can get some short term relief, you'll be able to think about
medium and longer term solutions with less worry.

Best wishes, Ian and Sue

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
Of Loni
Rosser
Sent: 27 June 2008 04:05
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

I can't seal my whole house. I was going to do the windows with tint first &
then maybe the back wall of the house with that screening material. But the
roof would be open & front of the house. I just can't afford to do it all.

I am in so much pain here I can't stand it. I want to run but I don't have
anywhere to go.

I have kids. OMG, what do I do? Loni

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
<mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 4:12 PM

The interesting question is, how much reduction of microwaves is enough to
make a real difference. With an Acousticom, Electrosmog detector or similar
simple instrument one can see that the main beam of microwaves travels in
straight lines - the signal is much stronger when a mast is directly visible
or there is a clear path through a window, and hiding behind a house or a
wall reduces it considerably. Yes, a small proportion of the waves can bend
round corners, but it seems to be only a few percent. Is that enough to
still cause problems? Depends on the person I guess.

For Sue, it was enough to put netting on walls which were exposed to our
neighbour's cordless phone and on one window which was in direct line of
sight from a mast, plus turning off the power at night and sleeping on a
foam mattress. That cut down her microwave, electric and magnetic field
exposures down a lot, though not 100%. She was able to sleep successfully
and this helped her regain her strength. We have since been fortunate
enough to move to a different area because my job changed, and carefully
selected a house where we couldn't measure any significant exposure. This
has worked well, apart from an MCS episode with a carpet!

Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Andrew McAfee
Sent: 26 June 2008 22:32
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Microwaves can travel around shielding like liquid.

You have to totally seal the room or it will leak and bounce around
inside.

Shielding can also resonate with the frequencies and cause a
detrimental effect in the room.

Earth grounding can pull frequencies into the room.

All doom and gloom? Are we totally fu..,ked?

After thousands of dollars, I have been unsuccessful in shielding my
bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar.

Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with
Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over
the windows, I feel worse in their and consequently have made the room
worse. I now sleep in another room of the house.

Now if I were in a really bad area like it seems you are, yes, some
shielding could help get the readings and hopefully the sensations
down.

I recommend moving.

Good luck.

I turn off the power at night and sleep on an organic foam mattress.

Andrew

On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:20 PM, paulpjc@aol. <mailto:paulpjc% 40aol.com> com
wrote:

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Thank you so much for your prayers & these kind words. I am homeless & may be for some time. Loni

--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 4:42 PM






Hi Loni,
One more thought. It's tough on you and it's tough on your husband (and
family). It's really hard for you both to understand and a big strain -
we've been there. Hang on in there. It'll be hard for you both to
understand what's happening and how to cope with it - it's so far outside
most people's everyday experience. Your family almost certainly can't feel
any of the effects and will be struggling to understand. We'll be praying
for you as you work it through together.

Best wishes, Ian and Sue

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ian
Kemp
Sent: 28 June 2008 00:28
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Hi Loni,

We really feel for you. We know from Sue's experience that it is very tough
and frightening when trying to cope with ES. So you need something
practical to help you quickly.

First priority is to try to give yourself some rest from the source. You
can't move house quickly, so you need to escape from the house when you can.
Sue went out for a large part of the day, then we went to some nearby woods
by a lake and set up a tent. She slept in that on and off for some weeks
which gave her some respite - good sleep is a great help. I hear what you
said about the park - doesn't sound a great place. Is there any other quiet
place reasonably near? Trees and water are great - both absorb waves.
Obviously you need to work something out with your family for the times you
must be there.

With shielding I would again say - dealing with the walls and windows which
actually face the masts should cut down your exposure by 90% plus, the other
directions don't matter so much. Go for something simple and quick at the
moment and see if it helps. Not sure what you mean by "tint" on the
windows, we found the metallized gauze was just as good and kept the room
light. Try hanging your bed canopy over one window during the day, that
should at least help that room and give you one "safe space". The roof may
be OK but it depends on the angle the waves are coming in from - how high
the mast is and how far away it is. Unless the mast is very high and close
so that the waves come down through the roof, it should be OK. Remember
that the main beam of the microwaves, which gives the highest effect,
travels in straight lines.

Lastly, are you keeping your computer use to an absolute minimum? It can be
a big contributor to your exposure, especially the screen. I assume you
don't have cordless phones in the house or use mobile phones - both no-no's.
Presumably your building survey guy pointed out anything else inside the
house which might make the problems worse.

Once you can get some short term relief, you'll be able to think about
medium and longer term solutions with less worry.

Best wishes, Ian and Sue

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
[mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com] On Behalf
Of Loni
Rosser
Sent: 27 June 2008 04:05
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

I can't seal my whole house. I was going to do the windows with tint first &
then maybe the back wall of the house with that screening material. But the
roof would be open & front of the house. I just can't afford to do it all.

I am in so much pain here I can't stand it. I want to run but I don't have
anywhere to go.

I have kids. OMG, what do I do? Loni

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
<mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 4:12 PM

The interesting question is, how much reduction of microwaves is enough to
make a real difference. With an Acousticom, Electrosmog detector or similar
simple instrument one can see that the main beam of microwaves travels in
straight lines - the signal is much stronger when a mast is directly visible
or there is a clear path through a window, and hiding behind a house or a
wall reduces it considerably. Yes, a small proportion of the waves can bend
round corners, but it seems to be only a few percent. Is that enough to
still cause problems? Depends on the person I guess.

For Sue, it was enough to put netting on walls which were exposed to our
neighbour's cordless phone and on one window which was in direct line of
sight from a mast, plus turning off the power at night and sleeping on a
foam mattress. That cut down her microwave, electric and magnetic field
exposures down a lot, though not 100%. She was able to sleep successfully
and this helped her regain her strength. We have since been fortunate
enough to move to a different area because my job changed, and carefully
selected a house where we couldn't measure any significant exposure. This
has worked well, apart from an MCS episode with a carpet!

Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Andrew McAfee
Sent: 26 June 2008 22:32
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Microwaves can travel around shielding like liquid.

You have to totally seal the room or it will leak and bounce around
inside.

Shielding can also resonate with the frequencies and cause a
detrimental effect in the room.

Earth grounding can pull frequencies into the room.

All doom and gloom? Are we totally fu..,ked?

After thousands of dollars, I have been unsuccessful in shielding my
bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar.

Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with
Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over
the windows, I feel worse in their and consequently have made the room
worse. I now sleep in another room of the house.

Now if I were in a really bad area like it seems you are, yes, some
shielding could help get the readings and hopefully the sensations
down.

I recommend moving.

Good luck.

I turn off the power at night and sleep on an organic foam mattress.

Andrew

On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:20 PM, paulpjc@aol. <mailto:paulpjc% 40aol.com> com
wrote:

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Oh Andrew thanks so much I will pass that along. Maybe hearing it from someone else would be good. Loni

--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] getting help
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 12:53 PM






Loni,
I understand about the housing situation. Nobody likes to loose $10-50K
or more on your biggest financial investment. Talk to your husband
about the cost a staying there. There could be an even greater loss if
you get cancer and die.
At least in the short run, you are more likely going to freak out, get
sicker, and probably end up getting a divorce because of the hell,
conflict and extreme behavior.

What are the "costs" of staying? Sure, you may loose some money if you
try to sell it. Seriously look into renting it is selling is out of the
question.

Either way, it is time for you to leave for a while to take care of
yourself.

If your husband is bucking you, give him my phone number and tell him
to call me.
919. 787.3022.

Andrew

On Jun 27, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Loni Rosser wrote:

>
> The housing market is crap now & we'd loose a lot of money my husband
> will not be willing to let go.
>  
> I can't really stay because it's too harmful to me. Like now I am
> having reaction & my skin is burning.
 














     

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Thanks, it is scary because it is a long rode ahead & I am weak. I do thinkI'd rather die but then I have kids so I'm hanging on for now. Loni

----- Original Message -----
From: Loni Rosser
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:39 AM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Thank you so much for your prayers & these kind words. I am homeless & may be for some time. Loni

--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 4:42 PM

Hi Loni,
One more thought. It's tough on you and it's tough on your husband (and
family). It's really hard for you both to understand and a big strain -
we've been there. Hang on in there. It'll be hard for you both to
understand what's happening and how to cope with it - it's so far outside
most people's everyday experience. Your family almost certainly can't feel
any of the effects and will be struggling to understand. We'll be praying
for you as you work it through together.

Best wishes, Ian and Sue

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ian
Kemp
Sent: 28 June 2008 00:28
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Hi Loni,

We really feel for you. We know from Sue's experience that it is very tough
and frightening when trying to cope with ES. So you need something
practical to help you quickly.

First priority is to try to give yourself some rest from the source. You
can't move house quickly, so you need to escape from the house when you can.
Sue went out for a large part of the day, then we went to some nearby woods
by a lake and set up a tent. She slept in that on and off for some weeks
which gave her some respite - good sleep is a great help. I hear what you
said about the park - doesn't sound a great place. Is there any other quiet
place reasonably near? Trees and water are great - both absorb waves.
Obviously you need to work something out with your family for the times you
must be there.

With shielding I would again say - dealing with the walls and windows which
actually face the masts should cut down your exposure by 90% plus, the other
directions don't matter so much. Go for something simple and quick at the
moment and see if it helps. Not sure what you mean by "tint" on the
windows, we found the metallized gauze was just as good and kept the room
light. Try hanging your bed canopy over one window during the day, that
should at least help that room and give you one "safe space". The roof may
be OK but it depends on the angle the waves are coming in from - how high
the mast is and how far away it is. Unless the mast is very high and close
so that the waves come down through the roof, it should be OK. Remember
that the main beam of the microwaves, which gives the highest effect,
travels in straight lines.

Lastly, are you keeping your computer use to an absolute minimum? It can be
a big contributor to your exposure, especially the screen. I assume you
don't have cordless phones in the house or use mobile phones - both no-no's.
Presumably your building survey guy pointed out anything else inside the
house which might make the problems worse.

Once you can get some short term relief, you'll be able to think about
medium and longer term solutions with less worry.

Best wishes, Ian and Sue

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From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
[mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com] On Behalf
Of Loni
Rosser
Sent: 27 June 2008 04:05
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

I can't seal my whole house. I was going to do the windows with tint first &
then maybe the back wall of the house with that screening material. But the
roof would be open & front of the house. I just can't afford to do it all.

I am in so much pain here I can't stand it. I want to run but I don't have
anywhere to go.

I have kids. OMG, what do I do? Loni

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
<mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 4:12 PM

The interesting question is, how much reduction of microwaves is enough to
make a real difference. With an Acousticom, Electrosmog detector or similar
simple instrument one can see that the main beam of microwaves travels in
straight lines - the signal is much stronger when a mast is directly visible
or there is a clear path through a window, and hiding behind a house or a
wall reduces it considerably. Yes, a small proportion of the waves can bend
round corners, but it seems to be only a few percent. Is that enough to
still cause problems? Depends on the person I guess.

For Sue, it was enough to put netting on walls which were exposed to our
neighbour's cordless phone and on one window which was in direct line of
sight from a mast, plus turning off the power at night and sleeping on a
foam mattress. That cut down her microwave, electric and magnetic field
exposures down a lot, though not 100%. She was able to sleep successfully
and this helped her regain her strength. We have since been fortunate
enough to move to a different area because my job changed, and carefully
selected a house where we couldn't measure any significant exposure. This
has worked well, apart from an MCS episode with a carpet!

Ian

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From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Andrew McAfee
Sent: 26 June 2008 22:32
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Microwaves can travel around shielding like liquid.

You have to totally seal the room or it will leak and bounce around
inside.

Shielding can also resonate with the frequencies and cause a
detrimental effect in the room.

Earth grounding can pull frequencies into the room.

All doom and gloom? Are we totally fu..,ked?

After thousands of dollars, I have been unsuccessful in shielding my
bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar.

Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with
Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over
the windows, I feel worse in their and consequently have made the room
worse. I now sleep in another room of the house.

Now if I were in a really bad area like it seems you are, yes, some
shielding could help get the readings and hopefully the sensations
down.

I recommend moving.

Good luck.

I turn off the power at night and sleep on an organic foam mattress.

Andrew

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> I am getting a bid on these square screens to put up on the outside
> wall of
> the house where it is coming in the worse. Loni
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> Depending on frequencies involved and other factors allowing for a
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Hi, Ian,
Thanks so much for your interesting and informative email! I have known alot of this intuitively, but it is great to know I was on the right track. I am technically not yet in the house, btw, it was a major fixer-upper. ButI decided that in my case this might be a plus. The idea about grounding thru radiator pipes is a great idea! Too bad this house doesn't have rads or I would be saving some money! lol I have been camping out on an aerobed there while doing the work I can do, if the air quality is ok. The house has electric fans in every room which drive me crazy, but luckily, theyare optional. So far it is working.
My best,
Diane

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 7:31 PM






Hi Diane, good to know your new house is working out well for you.

Stone and brick are insulators and poor conductors, so as you say they
absorb well and don't reflect, but also don't conduct to earth easily. We
very recently had a guy round to survey our house electrically. He showed
how, if we were sitting or lying (e.g. on the bed) near to a wall with
electric cables in, the electric field actually bent outwards so that it
could go the earth/ground through us, as we are "a bag of wet minerals" (how
unromantic!) andconduct rather well! So one could measure our body voltage
as being nearly zero in the grden, high near a wall with a cable, but then
low again if we turned the power off. Metal shielded conduits for cables,
as you mention, block the electric field from getting out and also give an
easy path to conduct it to earth. So if you can afford them, I can see now
why they are a really good idea!

As it isn't practical for us to knock down our walls and shield the cables,
he gave us an easier and cheaper solution; a metallised blanket which we
could put on the bed and link one end to the central heating radiators,
which have a good earth (grounding) via the metal pipes. This then provides
an easier route for the electric field to earth than going via our body. A
different idea from shielding; instead of blocking the electric fields, it
is diverting them. Unfortunately this trick doesn't work for magnetic
fields or microwaves!

Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Evie
Sent: 26 June 2008 23:28
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

What kind of house did you buy, Loni? Brick, stone, aluminum siding,
wood.... When I was looking for a house, the outside of the house definitely
made a difference in what I felt inside and outside. There are particular
things you can do with the type of material used, which is why I am asking.
You can ground aluminum siding outside and that will help with cell tower
emfs. Brick and stone absorbs cell tower emfs, but I found it was more
likely I reacted to the wiring in brick and stone houses. I am looking
forward to putting my wiring into insulated conduits for this reason in my
new house (it is brick). The home is completely peaceful, tho, inside with
most of my circuits off and I don't require alot of electric running all the
time.
I don't know what a stone/brick house would be like in a high emf area; in
my area there are only 4 cell towers, 1 microwave, and 11 antennae. Does
anyone know of a way to ground stone and brick houses? I am assuming it
isn't the same as for an aluminum house.
Diane

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo.
<mailto:loni326% 40yahoo.com> com> wrote:

From: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. <mailto:loni326% 40yahoo.com> com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 7:29 PM

Hi Marc, Thanks for the reply.

No, I am returning the Quantum Home. Not what I really need here. Need some
shielding. The cell towers are on the back side of my house. I have a direct
view of all of them. They are on the light posts at the football stadium & I
thought they were part of the lighting. This was the worse house I could
have chosen. These anntennas are all over this area too because it is a busy
intersection.

The levels in the den which is in the front were too high for me also. Skin
was burning when I tried to sleep in there.

I was thinking about one side but the tint contractor usually does whole
houses. I need the back wall covered to so I am getting bids. But...you
know....... this shielding material is very expensive.

I would like get ideas on how to fight this & get them to move the darn
killers.

Ideas on shielding are great too. I am looking in to the tint for windows &
then the screen material to line the back of the house with.

Now the rood is made of concrete tile so do you think it will be slower to
get through the roof????

Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM

> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It
> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only
need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc

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Hi again, Ian,
B12 gives me head fog and headaches, too. I take it sublingually every 4 or5 days and that seems to help. I also take it with molybdenum (about a half hour before the b12, I take the molyb.) The molyb seems to help with this. I think that the B12 is making my Phase 1 liver detox too fast and maybe the molyb is speeding up phase 2, or maybe the molybdenum and B12 have to be present at the same time. Don't know for sure, but the head fog andheadache are definitely from liver pathway dysfunction. So I googled all the known supplements that address this and started down the list (slowly and methodically). I watched for side-effects. The molyb and B12 work well and they help with my toxic tremors which was what I was hoping for.
Don't know whether this will help Sue or not. We are all so different, evenwhen we are the same. lol
Diane

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Vitamin B5
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 7:36 PM






Thanks Diane for your good wishes and feedback. Yes, we had noticed the bit
about B5 helping adrenals - Sue had problems with this even before she
developed MCS and ES, in fact we think that it was a major contributor.
Definitely anything that helps with liver detox is good for Sue, it looks
like B5 is supposed to help glutathione as well which is a key substance for
her. Sue can't take B12 though, it gives her bad "head fogs", though most
people seem to find B12 is great!
Ian

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From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Evie
Sent: 27 June 2008 00:28
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Vitamin B5

Yes, Ian, I have had great help with pantethine. I have written here a
number of times of how I take it with calcium AEP and it keeps my adrenals
from crashing. It also helps my liver detox, I think. I find great help with
B12 and molybdenum too (liver detox).
Glad to hear that Sue is doing so well! Maybe your new location and less
stress overall is helping too.
Give Sue my regards,
Diane
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<mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Vitamin B5
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 7:19 PM

New thread. Sue has been doing really well in the last few weeks, better
than for about 5 years. Her MCS and ES symptoms, which had already been
reduced from their worst levels, have dropped considerably and she is
generally feeling much healthier. A possible reason is that she has been
taking two new supplements - one is Vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid), the other
is a homeopathic supplement.

Looking at the details of what Vitamin B5 does, it seems to help boost the
immune system in lots of ways. Has anyone else had good or bad experiences
with this particular vitamin?

Note that Sue has generally been low in B vitamins but has had adverse
reactions to any B multivitamin supplement, therefore up to now she has only
been able to take small quantities of individual B vitamins, mainly B1 and
B6.

Ian

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Hi, Loni,
Probably arborvitae will not work in Arizona. They are tall evergreen trees that grow 3 to 5 feet a year and are narrow. Their real name is "Thuja". They come in sizes from 18inches diam X 12 foot tall to to at least 10 feet diam X 50 feet hi.
 
You may know a similar plant called "Leylandii Cypress". I am not sure thatone grows in Arizona, but it is grown alot in the west. What you want is a lush, fast growing plant that is evergreen, so it screens all year. The thicker the plant, the better the screening. A huge pine 15 or 20 ft around will work better than a thin one if you have the room (and pines, etc, grow in your area!) There are a number of very large pines and needled trees that grow 3 to 5 ft a year. Leylandii Cypress is in that category of growth but Leylandii is only 5 or 6 feet wide. That is all the room I had nextto my house, which is why I chose a thin arborvitae. But you can also growmore than one row of these, which might be better than having just one rowof larger trees, if you have the room. Ian mentioned that and area with water and lots of trees is usually good for people with ES. I find personallythat evergreen trees are great shielding. I was hoping to find a house
in an evergreen forest, but, alas, could not find one. Might have to grow my own! ;)
Diane

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Loni Rosser <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni Rosser <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 11:12 PM






What is arborvitae?? ?? I live in Arizona so it is desert here. Loni

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 3:59 PM

Sorry, Loni, I see your house is frame and stucco in a later email. So many fixes are super expensive. I can think of possible fixes for your situation but they are very expensive- -Hardee Plank siding and HR++ windows.Are you getting emfs from only one direction? Would it be cost effective to do one wall of your house? What do other people here think about this? This was a fix which was suggested to me by an emf consultant I called when I was thinking of buying a house (I didn't end up buying) last year.
How much land do you own on the offending side of your property? Can you grow arborvitae there (or other fast growing evergreens) or are you in an area these do not grow? I put a wall of 5ft ones on my current property last year--they are now nearly 8ft tall. I went around to all the nurseries and home improvement stores around this time of the year last year and these were very reasonable because they were getting rid of what didn't sell. Arborvitae grow 3 to 4 ft a season after established,  and I personally find nothing that absorbs emfs as well as evergreens.
Diane

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 6:27 PM

What kind of house did you buy, Loni? Brick, stone, aluminum siding, wood.... When I was looking for a house, the outside of the house definitely made a difference in what I felt inside and outside. There are particular things you can do with the type of material used, which is why I am asking. You can ground aluminum siding outside and that will help with cell tower emfs. Brick and stone absorbs cell tower emfs, but I found it was more likely I reacted to the wiring in brick and stone houses. I am looking forward to putting my wiring into insulated conduits for this reason in my new house (it is brick). The home is completely peaceful, tho, inside with most of my circuits off and I don't require alot of electric running all the time.
I don't know what a stone/brick house would be like in a high emf area; in my area there are only 4 cell towers, 1 microwave, and 11 antennae. Does anyone know of a way to ground stone and brick houses? I am assuming it isn't the same as for an aluminum house.
Diane

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 7:29 PM

Hi Marc, Thanks for the reply.
 
No, I am returning the Quantum Home. Not what I really need here. Need someshielding. The cell towers are on the back side of my house. I have a direct view of all of them. They are on the light posts at the football stadium& I thought they were part of the lighting. This was the worse house I could have chosen. These anntennas are all over this area too because it is a busy intersection.
 
The levels in the den which is in the front were too high for me also. Skinwas burning when I tried to sleep in there.
 
I was thinking about one side but the tint contractor usually does whole houses. I need the back wall covered to so I am getting bids. But...you know....... this shielding material is very expensive.
 
I would like get ideas on how to fight this & get them to move the darn killers.
 
Ideas on shielding are great too. I am looking in to the tint for windows &then the screen material to line the back of the house with.
 
Now the rood is made of concrete tile so do you think it will be slower to get through the roof????
 
Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM

> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It
> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only
need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc

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Thanks Diane

--- On Sat, 6/28/08, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 12:32 PM






Hi, Loni,
Probably arborvitae will not work in Arizona. They are tall evergreen trees that grow 3 to 5 feet a year and are narrow. Their real name is "Thuja". They come in sizes from 18inches diam X 12 foot tall to to at least 10 feet diam X 50 feet hi.
 
You may know a similar plant called "Leylandii Cypress". I am not sure thatone grows in Arizona, but it is grown alot in the west. What you want is a lush, fast growing plant that is evergreen, so it screens all year. The thicker the plant, the better the screening. A huge pine 15 or 20 ft around will work better than a thin one if you have the room (and pines, etc, grow in your area!) There are a number of very large pines and needled trees that grow 3 to 5 ft a year. Leylandii Cypress is in that category of growth but Leylandii is only 5 or 6 feet wide. That is all the room I had nextto my house, which is why I chose a thin arborvitae. But you can also growmore than one row of these, which might be better than having just one rowof larger trees, if you have the room. Ian mentioned that and area with water and lots of trees is usually good for people with ES. I find personallythat evergreen trees are great shielding. I was hoping to find a house
in an evergreen forest, but, alas, could not find one. Might have to grow my own! ;)
Diane

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 11:12 PM

What is arborvitae?? ?? I live in Arizona so it is desert here. Loni

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 3:59 PM

Sorry, Loni, I see your house is frame and stucco in a later email. So many fixes are super expensive. I can think of possible fixes for your situation but they are very expensive- -Hardee Plank siding and HR++ windows.Are you getting emfs from only one direction? Would it be cost effective to do one wall of your house? What do other people here think about this? This was a fix which was suggested to me by an emf consultant I called when I was thinking of buying a house (I didn't end up buying) last year.
How much land do you own on the offending side of your property? Can you grow arborvitae there (or other fast growing evergreens) or are you in an area these do not grow? I put a wall of 5ft ones on my current property last year--they are now nearly 8ft tall. I went around to all the nurseries and home improvement stores around this time of the year last year and these were very reasonable because they were getting rid of what didn't sell. Arborvitae grow 3 to 4 ft a season after established,  and I personally find nothing that absorbs emfs as well as evergreens.
Diane

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 6:27 PM

What kind of house did you buy, Loni? Brick, stone, aluminum siding, wood.... When I was looking for a house, the outside of the house definitely made a difference in what I felt inside and outside. There are particular things you can do with the type of material used, which is why I am asking. You can ground aluminum siding outside and that will help with cell tower emfs. Brick and stone absorbs cell tower emfs, but I found it was more likely I reacted to the wiring in brick and stone houses. I am looking forward to putting my wiring into insulated conduits for this reason in my new house (it is brick). The home is completely peaceful, tho, inside with most of my circuits off and I don't require alot of electric running all the time.
I don't know what a stone/brick house would be like in a high emf area; in my area there are only 4 cell towers, 1 microwave, and 11 antennae. Does anyone know of a way to ground stone and brick houses? I am assuming it isn't the same as for an aluminum house.
Diane

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 7:29 PM

Hi Marc, Thanks for the reply.
 
No, I am returning the Quantum Home. Not what I really need here. Need someshielding. The cell towers are on the back side of my house. I have a direct view of all of them. They are on the light posts at the football stadium& I thought they were part of the lighting. This was the worse house I could have chosen. These anntennas are all over this area too because it is a busy intersection.
 
The levels in the den which is in the front were too high for me also. Skinwas burning when I tried to sleep in there.
 
I was thinking about one side but the tint contractor usually does whole houses. I need the back wall covered to so I am getting bids. But...you know....... this shielding material is very expensive.
 
I would like get ideas on how to fight this & get them to move the darn killers.
 
Ideas on shielding are great too. I am looking in to the tint for windows &then the screen material to line the back of the house with.
 
Now the rood is made of concrete tile so do you think it will be slower to get through the roof????
 
Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM

> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It
> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only
need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc

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A very convenient material which can be used to line walls, and ceilings is
the Laminated Microwave Absorber http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html#259

Absorber installation is much simpler than for a reflector as you don't have
such a big concern about leakage points. Just cover a large area (maybe
75-90% of the surface).

Emil

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lamination would be hard for us MCS to handle. Loni

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A very convenient material which can be used to line walls, and ceilings is
the Laminated Microwave Absorber http://www.lessemf. com/fabric. html#259

Absorber installation is much simpler than for a reflector as you don't have
such a big concern about leakage points. Just cover a large area (maybe
75-90% of the surface).

Emil

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So I talked to the manager at T Mobile & he said that the antenna puts out the power of a baby monitor!  Ya right. Loni

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A very convenient material which can be used to line walls, and ceilings is
the Laminated Microwave Absorber http://www.lessemf. com/fabric. html#259

Absorber installation is much simpler than for a reflector as you don't have
such a big concern about leakage points. Just cover a large area (maybe
75-90% of the surface).

Emil

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Could you use that on the outside walls?  And then the waves would be absorbed rather than be repelled. But..... would some still get through because it is absorbing them? Loni

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A very convenient material which can be used to line walls, and ceilings is
the Laminated Microwave Absorber http://www.lessemf. com/fabric. html#259

Absorber installation is much simpler than for a reflector as you don't have
such a big concern about leakage points. Just cover a large area (maybe
75-90% of the surface).

Emil

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