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You should have a microwave detector of some kind.
Maybe the "electrosmog detector" (about $90 at lessemf.com) would do. With stucco there is probably more coming in the windows than the walls. But if the window frames are not metal, tint will not address the frames. Scotchtint amber metallic 50% (or darker) is quite good (>99.9% if I recall). Y-shield paint is nice, but it could be coming in the ceiling too, or floor if it is elevated at all (not slab). Bill On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Loni Rosser <[hidden email]> wrote: > Yes I am in the USA. Where are you? > > I would rather shield the house than to have a canopy but it is so > expensive. I'll look into this. Thank you so much charles. > > Loni > > > --- On Thu, 6/26/08, charles <[hidden email]<charles%40milieuziektes.be>> > wrote: > > From: charles <[hidden email] <charles%40milieuziektes.be>> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 9:09 AM > > Hello Loni, > > The Aaronia material can be seen at: > > http://test1.contenttest.net/Aaronia-Shield_en.shtml > > I suppose, that you are in the USA. > Perhaps Lessemf does have this in their programm also. > > I meant the Aaronia canopies. > > If you want to shield the walls and windows, other materials can be > considered. > Lessemf can supply the necessary materials. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Bitdefender > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loni Rosser" <[hidden email] <loni326%40yahoo.com>> > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:49 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction > > Hi Charles, > > Is Aaronia the fabric, do you have a good source of which to purchase > these? > > I would rather do the shielding of the house itself but it is so expensive. > > I am concerned about reacting to the material. > > I am having a reaction to the one I am trying. I think some radiation is > getting in. > > Loni > > --- On Wed, 6/25/08, charles <[hidden email]<charles%40milieuziektes.be>> > wrote: > > From: charles <[hidden email] <charles%40milieuziektes.be>> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 11:30 PM > > Hello, > > a faraday canopy is the very last thing we do recommend, because they > generally do have some disadvantages. > Some people cannot stand them and throw them away after a few weeks. > > One disadvantage is, that the material is too close to the body, and > electrical fields are attracted by the material. > Also, something is happening with the air inside. > > The best canopies however are those of Aaronia. They do shield much more, > do > not have this *air-thing*, but cost more. > > We prefer shielding against SOME walls and windows. > > And aluminium should be avoided. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Bitdefender > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loni Rosser" <[hidden email] <loni326%40yahoo.com>> > To: <[hidden email]<environmental_illness001%40yahoogroups.com> > >; > <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>; > <[hidden email] <chemicalinjury%40yahoogroups.com>>; > <[hidden email] <ToxicMoldandWomen%40yahoogroups.com>>; > <[hidden email] <MCS-Toxic-Injuries%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Cc: <[hidden email] <khemmerlin%40gmail.com>>; < > [hidden email] <rossercustomhomes%40yahoo.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:21 PM > Subject: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction > > Hi All, I need your help & direction: > > I had a Building Biologist come to my home to test due to my electrical > sensitivities. (Thank you Bob Grommes for the referral). > > I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave > radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell > anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It is > what has been killing me in this house. > > As a lot of you know I have progressively gotten worse since living in this > house & had resorted to sleeping at the park in my van & now that it > got > hot; on top of my van. Then I go in to my house for as little time as > possible back out to a safe public place. Well, safer than my house I mean. > ha > > The reading was 1000 times what the body can handle in my bedroom & my > kitchen & family room. My living areas. So being immune compromised as we > all are makes it much more harmful. > > I called the superindendant of schools & they pretty much said tuff. > > I am trying a faraday canopy from the biologist that keeps 99 % of the > radiation out. It works, my symptoms go away & I can now sleep in my bed. > However, I can not live in my bed. I know for sure it is the radiation from > these antennas however. > > Shielding products are very expensive & times are tuff for us right now but > > I am getting quotes. > > I just can't afford to shield the whole house which is probably what is > needed for someone with MCS who may get more sensitive if I don't block it > all. Scary stuff. > > Symtoms are: Headache, brain fog, no energy, pain in gut, nervous stress to > a huge degree, body frame weakness like I am going to break at any moment. > > How can I get them to move these anntennas? Any ideas. Is there a lawyer > anyone knows that has a passion for this that might do Pro Bono? > > I need help before this non stop radiation kills me. > > I went to a friends last night in Gold Canyon. It was heaven to me. I could > breath. He said he drops calls all the time. I wasn't surprised. > > I could get better & get my life back if I could get them to move these > antennas. > > I have some pictures of me in this canopy. I am going to get letters from > my > doctors to send to the superindendants. > > I would love to go around the neighborhood & find out who has had medical > problems but getting closer to the waves will be to dangerous for me right > now. > > Loni > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Is there a US distributor for Aaronia? I don't see one on google. Loni
--- On Wed, 6/25/08, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 11:30 PM Hello, a faraday canopy is the very last thing we do recommend, because they generally do have some disadvantages. Some people cannot stand them and throw them away after a few weeks. One disadvantage is, that the material is too close to the body, and electrical fields are attracted by the material. Also, something is happening with the air inside. The best canopies however are those of Aaronia. They do shield much more, do not have this *air-thing*, but cost more. We prefer shielding against SOME walls and windows. And aluminium should be avoided. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loni Rosser" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction Hi All, I need your help & direction: I had a Building Biologist come to my home to test due to my electrical sensitivities. (Thank you Bob Grommes for the referral). I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It is what has been killing me in this house. As a lot of you know I have progressively gotten worse since living in this house & had resorted to sleeping at the park in my van & now that it got hot; on top of my van. Then I go in to my house for as little time as possible back out to a safe public place. Well, safer than my house I mean. ha The reading was 1000 times what the body can handle in my bedroom & my kitchen & family room. My living areas. So being immune compromised as we all are makes it much more harmful. I called the superindendant of schools & they pretty much said tuff. I am trying a faraday canopy from the biologist that keeps 99 % of the radiation out. It works, my symptoms go away & I can now sleep in my bed. However, I can not live in my bed. I know for sure it is the radiation from these antennas however. Shielding products are very expensive & times are tuff for us right now but I am getting quotes. I just can't afford to shield the whole house which is probably what is needed for someone with MCS who may get more sensitive if I don't block it all. Scary stuff. Symtoms are: Headache, brain fog, no energy, pain in gut, nervous stress to a huge degree, body frame weakness like I am going to break at any moment. How can I get them to move these anntennas? Any ideas. Is there a lawyer anyone knows that has a passion for this that might do Pro Bono? I need help before this non stop radiation kills me. I went to a friends last night in Gold Canyon. It was heaven to me. I could breath. He said he drops calls all the time. I wasn't surprised. I could get better & get my life back if I could get them to move these antennas. I have some pictures of me in this canopy. I am going to get letters from my doctors to send to the superindendants. I would love to go around the neighborhood & find out who has had medical problems but getting closer to the waves will be to dangerous for me right now. Loni [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Yes, contact www.kaltmancreations.com
Emil > Is there a US distributor for Aaronia? I don't see one on google. Loni |
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In a message dated 6/26/2008 5:14:18 P.M. GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: Does anyone know about the roof? I have a concrete tile roof. The tiles are about an inch thick. Will the radiation get through them? I am getting a bid on these square screens to put up on the outside wall of the house where it is coming in the worse. Loni Depending on frequencies involved and other factors allowing for a certain amount of absorption microwave radiation will penetrate the tiles after all they have gaps where the grout is they will also have many interstices where the waves will find their way through. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Microwaves can travel around shielding like liquid.
You have to totally seal the room or it will leak and bounce around inside. Shielding can also resonate with the frequencies and cause a detrimental effect in the room. Earth grounding can pull frequencies into the room. All doom and gloom? Are we totally fu..,ked? After thousands of dollars, I have been unsuccessful in shielding my bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar. Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over the windows, I feel worse in their and consequently have made the room worse. I now sleep in another room of the house. Now if I were in a really bad area like it seems you are, yes, some shielding could help get the readings and hopefully the sensations down. I recommend moving. Good luck. I turn off the power at night and sleep on an organic foam mattress. Andrew On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:20 PM, [hidden email] wrote: > > In a message dated 6/26/2008 5:14:18 P.M. GMT Daylight Time, > [hidden email] writes: > > Does anyone know about the roof? I have a concrete tile roof. The > tiles are > about an inch thick. Will the radiation get through them? > > I am getting a bid on these square screens to put up on the outside > wall of > the house where it is coming in the worse. Loni > > > > Depending on frequencies involved and other factors allowing for a > certain > amount of absorption microwave radiation will penetrate the tiles > after all > they have gaps where the grout is they will also have many interstices > where > the waves will find their way through. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > |
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> I recommend moving.
Yes, that was my initial recommendation, but I think Loni cannot afford that -- it can cost a lot of money to move. Although it can also cost a lot of money to shield... Marc |
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> Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with
> Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over > the windows, I feel worse in their and consequently have made the room > worse. Yes, this is why I'd be reluctant to do anything that cannot be "undone" easily. There is just too much risk of making the place worse than it was already. Marc |
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What kind of house did you buy, Loni? Brick, stone, aluminum siding, wood.... When I was looking for a house, the outside of the house definitely made a difference in what I felt inside and outside. There are particular things you can do with the type of material used, which is why I am asking. You can ground aluminum siding outside and that will help with cell tower emfs. Brick and stone absorbs cell tower emfs, but I found it was more likely I reacted to the wiring in brick and stone houses. I am looking forward to putting my wiring into insulated conduits for this reason in my new house (it is brick). The home is completely peaceful, tho, inside with most of my circuits off and I don't require alot of electric running all the time.
I don't know what a stone/brick house would be like in a high emf area; in my area there are only 4 cell towers, 1 microwave, and 11 antennae. Does anyone know of a way to ground stone and brick houses? I am assuming it isn't the same as for an aluminum house. Diane --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Loni Rosser <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Loni Rosser <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 7:29 PM Hi Marc, Thanks for the reply. No, I am returning the Quantum Home. Not what I really need here. Need someshielding. The cell towers are on the back side of my house. I have a direct view of all of them. They are on the light posts at the football stadium& I thought they were part of the lighting. This was the worse house I could have chosen. These anntennas are all over this area too because it is a busy intersection. The levels in the den which is in the front were too high for me also. Skinwas burning when I tried to sleep in there. I was thinking about one side but the tint contractor usually does whole houses. I need the back wall covered to so I am getting bids. But...you know....... this shielding material is very expensive. I would like get ideas on how to fight this & get them to move the darn killers. Ideas on shielding are great too. I am looking in to the tint for windows &then the screen material to line the back of the house with. Now the rood is made of concrete tile so do you think it will be slower to get through the roof???? Loni --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote: From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM > I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave > radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell > anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It > is what has been killing me in this house. Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only need to shield that one side of the house? I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this? Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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>After thousands of dollars, I have been unsuccessful in shielding my bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar. Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over the windows, I feel worse in their and consequently have made the room worse. I now sleep in another room of the house. Yes, that can happen. Remember, shielding usually means using reflective materials. If your shield leaks, then radiation gets in and is more or less trapped inside, bouncing around until it is finally absorbed by something... and that something might be you. Using a layer of RF absorber, on the inide of the shield, can elimated this phenomenon. So you end up with the best of both worlds: lower readings on the meter because less radiation is coming in, plus any tiny bit that does leak in gets absorbed by something other than your body. Emil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Sorry, Loni, I see your house is frame and stucco in a later email. So many fixes are super expensive. I can think of possible fixes for your situation but they are very expensive--Hardee Plank siding and HR++ windows. Are you getting emfs from only one direction? Would it be cost effective todo one wall of your house? What do other people here think about this? This was a fix which was suggested to me by an emf consultant I called when I was thinking of buying a house (I didn't end up buying) last year.
How much land do you own on the offending side of your property? Can you grow arborvitae there (or other fast growing evergreens) or are you in an area these do not grow? I put a wall of 5ft ones on my current property last year--they are now nearly 8ft tall. I went around to all the nurseries and home improvement stores around this time of the year last year and these were very reasonable because they were getting rid of what didn't sell. Arborvitae grow 3 to 4 ft a season after established, and I personally find nothing that absorbs emfs as well as evergreens. Diane --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Evie <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: [hidden email] Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 6:27 PM What kind of house did you buy, Loni? Brick, stone, aluminum siding, wood.... When I was looking for a house, the outside of the house definitely made a difference in what I felt inside and outside. There are particular things you can do with the type of material used, which is why I am asking. You can ground aluminum siding outside and that will help with cell tower emfs. Brick and stone absorbs cell tower emfs, but I found it was more likely I reacted to the wiring in brick and stone houses. I am looking forward to putting my wiring into insulated conduits for this reason in my new house (it is brick). The home is completely peaceful, tho, inside with most of my circuits off and I don't require alot of electric running all the time. I don't know what a stone/brick house would be like in a high emf area; in my area there are only 4 cell towers, 1 microwave, and 11 antennae. Does anyone know of a way to ground stone and brick houses? I am assuming it isn't the same as for an aluminum house. Diane --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 7:29 PM Hi Marc, Thanks for the reply. No, I am returning the Quantum Home. Not what I really need here. Need someshielding. The cell towers are on the back side of my house. I have a direct view of all of them. They are on the light posts at the football stadium& I thought they were part of the lighting. This was the worse house I could have chosen. These anntennas are all over this area too because it is a busy intersection. The levels in the den which is in the front were too high for me also. Skinwas burning when I tried to sleep in there. I was thinking about one side but the tint contractor usually does whole houses. I need the back wall covered to so I am getting bids. But...you know....... this shielding material is very expensive. I would like get ideas on how to fight this & get them to move the darn killers. Ideas on shielding are great too. I am looking in to the tint for windows &then the screen material to line the back of the house with. Now the rood is made of concrete tile so do you think it will be slower to get through the roof???? Loni --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote: From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM > I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave > radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell > anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It > is what has been killing me in this house. Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only need to shield that one side of the house? I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this? Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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The interesting question is, how much reduction of microwaves is enough to
make a real difference. With an Acousticom, Electrosmog detector or similar simple instrument one can see that the main beam of microwaves travels in straight lines - the signal is much stronger when a mast is directly visible or there is a clear path through a window, and hiding behind a house or a wall reduces it considerably. Yes, a small proportion of the waves can bend round corners, but it seems to be only a few percent. Is that enough to still cause problems? Depends on the person I guess. For Sue, it was enough to put netting on walls which were exposed to our neighbour's cordless phone and on one window which was in direct line of sight from a mast, plus turning off the power at night and sleeping on a foam mattress. That cut down her microwave, electric and magnetic field exposures down a lot, though not 100%. She was able to sleep successfully and this helped her regain her strength. We have since been fortunate enough to move to a different area because my job changed, and carefully selected a house where we couldn't measure any significant exposure. This has worked well, apart from an MCS episode with a carpet! Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Andrew McAfee Sent: 26 June 2008 22:32 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction Microwaves can travel around shielding like liquid. You have to totally seal the room or it will leak and bounce around inside. Shielding can also resonate with the frequencies and cause a detrimental effect in the room. Earth grounding can pull frequencies into the room. All doom and gloom? Are we totally fu..,ked? After thousands of dollars, I have been unsuccessful in shielding my bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar. Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over the windows, I feel worse in their and consequently have made the room worse. I now sleep in another room of the house. Now if I were in a really bad area like it seems you are, yes, some shielding could help get the readings and hopefully the sensations down. I recommend moving. Good luck. I turn off the power at night and sleep on an organic foam mattress. Andrew On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:20 PM, paulpjc@aol. <mailto:paulpjc%40aol.com> com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/26/2008 5:14:18 P.M. GMT Daylight Time, > loni326@yahoo. <mailto:loni326%40yahoo.com> com writes: > > Does anyone know about the roof? I have a concrete tile roof. The > tiles are > about an inch thick. Will the radiation get through them? > > I am getting a bid on these square screens to put up on the outside > wall of > the house where it is coming in the worse. Loni > > > > Depending on frequencies involved and other factors allowing for a > certain > amount of absorption microwave radiation will penetrate the tiles > after all > they have gaps where the grout is they will also have many interstices > where > the waves will find their way through. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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New thread. Sue has been doing really well in the last few weeks, better
than for about 5 years. Her MCS and ES symptoms, which had already been reduced from their worst levels, have dropped considerably and she is generally feeling much healthier. A possible reason is that she has been taking two new supplements - one is Vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid), the other is a homeopathic supplement. Looking at the details of what Vitamin B5 does, it seems to help boost the immune system in lots of ways. Has anyone else had good or bad experiences with this particular vitamin? Note that Sue has generally been low in B vitamins but has had adverse reactions to any B multivitamin supplement, therefore up to now she has only been able to take small quantities of individual B vitamins, mainly B1 and B6. Ian <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=11979304/grpspId=1705062215/msgI d=11026/stime=1214517245/nc1=5191951/nc2=5191947/nc3=5028925> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi again, Loni,
I should have read ALL my emails before replying to your posts! lol You say you are having problems with microwaves along one wall.... I said evergreens, Hardee Plank siding, and HR++ windows help with emfs. I find they help some with microwaves, too, but when I have researched, I find mu metal is the only real fix for microwaves. Mu metal is prohibitively expensive and impractical for any ESer to use. So for microwaves it is likely you will need to use layers of various shielding and all the things so far suggestedwould be helpful. My 2 cents, Diane --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Evie <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: [hidden email] Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 6:59 PM Sorry, Loni, I see your house is frame and stucco in a later email. So many fixes are super expensive. I can think of possible fixes for your situation but they are very expensive- -Hardee Plank siding and HR++ windows.Are you getting emfs from only one direction? Would it be cost effective to do one wall of your house? What do other people here think about this? This was a fix which was suggested to me by an emf consultant I called when I was thinking of buying a house (I didn't end up buying) last year. How much land do you own on the offending side of your property? Can you grow arborvitae there (or other fast growing evergreens) or are you in an area these do not grow? I put a wall of 5ft ones on my current property last year--they are now nearly 8ft tall. I went around to all the nurseries and home improvement stores around this time of the year last year and these were very reasonable because they were getting rid of what didn't sell. Arborvitae grow 3 to 4 ft a season after established, and I personally find nothing that absorbs emfs as well as evergreens. Diane --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 6:27 PM What kind of house did you buy, Loni? Brick, stone, aluminum siding, wood.... When I was looking for a house, the outside of the house definitely made a difference in what I felt inside and outside. There are particular things you can do with the type of material used, which is why I am asking. You can ground aluminum siding outside and that will help with cell tower emfs. Brick and stone absorbs cell tower emfs, but I found it was more likely I reacted to the wiring in brick and stone houses. I am looking forward to putting my wiring into insulated conduits for this reason in my new house (it is brick). The home is completely peaceful, tho, inside with most of my circuits off and I don't require alot of electric running all the time. I don't know what a stone/brick house would be like in a high emf area; in my area there are only 4 cell towers, 1 microwave, and 11 antennae. Does anyone know of a way to ground stone and brick houses? I am assuming it isn't the same as for an aluminum house. Diane --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 7:29 PM Hi Marc, Thanks for the reply. No, I am returning the Quantum Home. Not what I really need here. Need someshielding. The cell towers are on the back side of my house. I have a direct view of all of them. They are on the light posts at the football stadium& I thought they were part of the lighting. This was the worse house I could have chosen. These anntennas are all over this area too because it is a busy intersection. The levels in the den which is in the front were too high for me also. Skinwas burning when I tried to sleep in there. I was thinking about one side but the tint contractor usually does whole houses. I need the back wall covered to so I am getting bids. But...you know....... this shielding material is very expensive. I would like get ideas on how to fight this & get them to move the darn killers. Ideas on shielding are great too. I am looking in to the tint for windows &then the screen material to line the back of the house with. Now the rood is made of concrete tile so do you think it will be slower to get through the roof???? Loni --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote: From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM > I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave > radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell > anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It > is what has been killing me in this house. Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only need to shield that one side of the house? I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this? Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> Looking at the details of what Vitamin B5 does, it seems to help boost the
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Yes, Ian, I have had great help with pantethine. I have written here a number of times of how I take it with calcium AEP and it keeps my adrenals from crashing. It also helps my liver detox, I think. I find great help with B12 and molybdenum too (liver detox).
Glad to hear that Sue is doing so well! Maybe your new location and less stress overall is helping too. Give Sue my regards, Diane --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> Subject: RE: [eSens] Vitamin B5 To: [hidden email] Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 7:19 PM New thread. Sue has been doing really well in the last few weeks, better than for about 5 years. Her MCS and ES symptoms, which had already been reduced from their worst levels, have dropped considerably and she is generally feeling much healthier. A possible reason is that she has been taking two new supplements - one is Vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid), the other is a homeopathic supplement. Looking at the details of what Vitamin B5 does, it seems to help boost the immune system in lots of ways. Has anyone else had good or bad experiences with this particular vitamin? Note that Sue has generally been low in B vitamins but has had adverse reactions to any B multivitamin supplement, therefore up to now she has only been able to take small quantities of individual B vitamins, mainly B1 and B6. Ian <http://geo.yahoo. com/serv? s=97359714/ grpId=11979304/ grpspId=17050622 15/msgI d=11026/stime= 1214517245/ nc1=5191951/ nc2=5191947/ nc3=5028925> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Diane, good to know your new house is working out well for you.
Stone and brick are insulators and poor conductors, so as you say they absorb well and don't reflect, but also don't conduct to earth easily. We very recently had a guy round to survey our house electrically. He showed how, if we were sitting or lying (e.g. on the bed) near to a wall with electric cables in, the electric field actually bent outwards so that it could go the earth/ground through us, as we are "a bag of wet minerals" (how unromantic!) andconduct rather well! So one could measure our body voltage as being nearly zero in the grden, high near a wall with a cable, but then low again if we turned the power off. Metal shielded conduits for cables, as you mention, block the electric field from getting out and also give an easy path to conduct it to earth. So if you can afford them, I can see now why they are a really good idea! As it isn't practical for us to knock down our walls and shield the cables, he gave us an easier and cheaper solution; a metallised blanket which we could put on the bed and link one end to the central heating radiators, which have a good earth (grounding) via the metal pipes. This then provides an easier route for the electric field to earth than going via our body. A different idea from shielding; instead of blocking the electric fields, it is diverting them. Unfortunately this trick doesn't work for magnetic fields or microwaves! Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Evie Sent: 26 June 2008 23:28 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction What kind of house did you buy, Loni? Brick, stone, aluminum siding, wood.... When I was looking for a house, the outside of the house definitely made a difference in what I felt inside and outside. There are particular things you can do with the type of material used, which is why I am asking. You can ground aluminum siding outside and that will help with cell tower emfs. Brick and stone absorbs cell tower emfs, but I found it was more likely I reacted to the wiring in brick and stone houses. I am looking forward to putting my wiring into insulated conduits for this reason in my new house (it is brick). The home is completely peaceful, tho, inside with most of my circuits off and I don't require alot of electric running all the time. I don't know what a stone/brick house would be like in a high emf area; in my area there are only 4 cell towers, 1 microwave, and 11 antennae. Does anyone know of a way to ground stone and brick houses? I am assuming it isn't the same as for an aluminum house. Diane --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. <mailto:loni326%40yahoo.com> com> wrote: From: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. <mailto:loni326%40yahoo.com> com> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 7:29 PM Hi Marc, Thanks for the reply. No, I am returning the Quantum Home. Not what I really need here. Need some shielding. The cell towers are on the back side of my house. I have a direct view of all of them. They are on the light posts at the football stadium & I thought they were part of the lighting. This was the worse house I could have chosen. These anntennas are all over this area too because it is a busy intersection. The levels in the den which is in the front were too high for me also. Skin was burning when I tried to sleep in there. I was thinking about one side but the tint contractor usually does whole houses. I need the back wall covered to so I am getting bids. But...you know....... this shielding material is very expensive. I would like get ideas on how to fight this & get them to move the darn killers. Ideas on shielding are great too. I am looking in to the tint for windows & then the screen material to line the back of the house with. Now the rood is made of concrete tile so do you think it will be slower to get through the roof???? Loni --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote: From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM > I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave > radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell > anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It > is what has been killing me in this house. Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only need to shield that one side of the house? I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this? Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks Diane for your good wishes and feedback. Yes, we had noticed the bit
about B5 helping adrenals - Sue had problems with this even before she developed MCS and ES, in fact we think that it was a major contributor. Definitely anything that helps with liver detox is good for Sue, it looks like B5 is supposed to help glutathione as well which is a key substance for her. Sue can't take B12 though, it gives her bad "head fogs", though most people seem to find B12 is great! Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Evie Sent: 27 June 2008 00:28 To: [hidden email] Subject: RE: [eSens] Vitamin B5 Yes, Ian, I have had great help with pantethine. I have written here a number of times of how I take it with calcium AEP and it keeps my adrenals from crashing. It also helps my liver detox, I think. I find great help with B12 and molybdenum too (liver detox). Glad to hear that Sue is doing so well! Maybe your new location and less stress overall is helping too. Give Sue my regards, Diane --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> ukgateway.net> wrote: From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> ukgateway.net> Subject: RE: [eSens] Vitamin B5 To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 7:19 PM New thread. Sue has been doing really well in the last few weeks, better than for about 5 years. Her MCS and ES symptoms, which had already been reduced from their worst levels, have dropped considerably and she is generally feeling much healthier. A possible reason is that she has been taking two new supplements - one is Vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid), the other is a homeopathic supplement. Looking at the details of what Vitamin B5 does, it seems to help boost the immune system in lots of ways. Has anyone else had good or bad experiences with this particular vitamin? Note that Sue has generally been low in B vitamins but has had adverse reactions to any B multivitamin supplement, therefore up to now she has only been able to take small quantities of individual B vitamins, mainly B1 and B6. Ian <http://geo.yahoo. com/serv? s=97359714/ grpId=11979304/ grpspId=17050622 15/msgI d=11026/stime= 1214517245/ nc1=5191951/ nc2=5191947/ nc3=5028925> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Nothing is selling now & prices have fallen. My house would not be comptetive either because it is not decorated due to my MCS. I am really screwed. Ican't stand it here at all. Loni
--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: [hidden email] Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 2:34 PM > I recommend moving. Yes, that was my initial recommendation, but I think Loni cannot afford that -- it can cost a lot of money to move. Although it can also cost a lot of money to shield... Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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So if I tint all the windows you don't think that will help? Loni
--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: [hidden email] Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 2:54 PM > Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with > Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over > the windows, I feel worse in their and consequently have made the room > worse. Yes, this is why I'd be reluctant to do anything that cannot be "undone" easily. There is just too much risk of making the place worse than it was already. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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It is wood frame with stucco. Not good. Loni
--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Evie <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: [hidden email] Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 3:27 PM What kind of house did you buy, Loni? Brick, stone, aluminum siding, wood.... When I was looking for a house, the outside of the house definitely made a difference in what I felt inside and outside. There are particular things you can do with the type of material used, which is why I am asking. You can ground aluminum siding outside and that will help with cell tower emfs. Brick and stone absorbs cell tower emfs, but I found it was more likely I reacted to the wiring in brick and stone houses. I am looking forward to putting my wiring into insulated conduits for this reason in my new house (it is brick). The home is completely peaceful, tho, inside with most of my circuits off and I don't require alot of electric running all the time. I don't know what a stone/brick house would be like in a high emf area; in my area there are only 4 cell towers, 1 microwave, and 11 antennae. Does anyone know of a way to ground stone and brick houses? I am assuming it isn't the same as for an aluminum house. Diane --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 7:29 PM Hi Marc, Thanks for the reply. No, I am returning the Quantum Home. Not what I really need here. Need someshielding. The cell towers are on the back side of my house. I have a direct view of all of them. They are on the light posts at the football stadium& I thought they were part of the lighting. This was the worse house I could have chosen. These anntennas are all over this area too because it is a busy intersection. The levels in the den which is in the front were too high for me also. Skinwas burning when I tried to sleep in there. I was thinking about one side but the tint contractor usually does whole houses. I need the back wall covered to so I am getting bids. But...you know....... this shielding material is very expensive. I would like get ideas on how to fight this & get them to move the darn killers. Ideas on shielding are great too. I am looking in to the tint for windows &then the screen material to line the back of the house with. Now the rood is made of concrete tile so do you think it will be slower to get through the roof???? Loni --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote: From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM > I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave > radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell > anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It > is what has been killing me in this house. Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only need to shield that one side of the house? I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this? Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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