Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Do you mean your canopy?

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From: prophit1970 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
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Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 9:26 PM






Loni,

I do live mostly in my tent; but because you shouldn't have to, this
article may inspire you to find an angle of attack.

from The Times
November 20, 2006
Health fears lead schools to dismantle wireless networks
# Radiation levels blamed for illnesses
# Teacher became too sick to work
http://www.timesonl ine.co.uk/ tol/life_ and_style/ education/ article642575. ece

- Chris in Philly

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Loni Rosser <loni326@... > wrote:
>
>
> Hi All, I need your help & direction:
>
> I had a Building Biologist come to my home to test due to my
electrical sensitivities. (Thank you Bob Grommes for the referral).
.
SNIP
.
> I could get better & get my life back if I could get them to move
these antennas.
>
> I have some pictures of me in this canopy. I am going to get letters
from my doctors to send to the superindendants.
>
> I would love to go around the neighborhood & find out who has had
medical problems but getting closer to the waves will be to dangerous
for me right now.
>
> Loni

 














     

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So if I do the windows but leave the walls will that help or not?

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 2:31 PM






Microwaves can travel around shielding like liquid.

You have to totally seal the room or it will leak and bounce around
inside.

Shielding can also resonate with the frequencies and cause a
detrimental effect in the room.

Earth grounding can pull frequencies into the room.

All doom and gloom? Are we totally fu..,ked?

After thousands of dollars, I have been unsuccessful in shielding my
bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar.

Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with
Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over
the windows, I feel worse in their and consequently have made the room
worse. I now sleep in another room of the house.

Now if I were in a really bad area like it seems you are, yes, some
shielding could help get the readings and hopefully the sensations
down.

I recommend moving.

Good luck.

I turn off the power at night and sleep on an organic foam mattress.

Andrew

On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:20 PM, paulpjc@aol. com wrote:

 














     

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I can't seal my whole house. I was going to do the windows with tint first & then maybe the back wall of the house with that screening material. But the roof would be open & front of the house. I just can't afford to do it all.
 
I am in so much pain here I can't stand it. I want to run but I don't have anywhere to go.
 
I have kids. OMG, what do I do? Loni

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 4:12 PM






The interesting question is, how much reduction of microwaves is enough to
make a real difference. With an Acousticom, Electrosmog detector or similar
simple instrument one can see that the main beam of microwaves travels in
straight lines - the signal is much stronger when a mast is directly visible
or there is a clear path through a window, and hiding behind a house or a
wall reduces it considerably. Yes, a small proportion of the waves can bend
round corners, but it seems to be only a few percent. Is that enough to
still cause problems? Depends on the person I guess.

For Sue, it was enough to put netting on walls which were exposed to our
neighbour's cordless phone and on one window which was in direct line of
sight from a mast, plus turning off the power at night and sleeping on a
foam mattress. That cut down her microwave, electric and magnetic field
exposures down a lot, though not 100%. She was able to sleep successfully
and this helped her regain her strength. We have since been fortunate
enough to move to a different area because my job changed, and carefully
selected a house where we couldn't measure any significant exposure. This
has worked well, apart from an MCS episode with a carpet!

Ian

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From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Andrew McAfee
Sent: 26 June 2008 22:32
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Microwaves can travel around shielding like liquid.

You have to totally seal the room or it will leak and bounce around
inside.

Shielding can also resonate with the frequencies and cause a
detrimental effect in the room.

Earth grounding can pull frequencies into the room.

All doom and gloom? Are we totally fu..,ked?

After thousands of dollars, I have been unsuccessful in shielding my
bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar.

Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with
Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over
the windows, I feel worse in their and consequently have made the room
worse. I now sleep in another room of the house.

Now if I were in a really bad area like it seems you are, yes, some
shielding could help get the readings and hopefully the sensations
down.

I recommend moving.

Good luck.

I turn off the power at night and sleep on an organic foam mattress.

Andrew

On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:20 PM, paulpjc@aol. <mailto:paulpjc% 40aol.com> com
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Emil,
 
Do you know if the window tint is good? What do you think about the screens. Depending on cost I was going to do windows & maybe the back wall of the house. I am hoping the cement tile on the roof will not let a lot in. I just don't know what to do.
 
Loni

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From: Less EMF Inc <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 3:54 PM







>After thousands of dollars, I have been unsuccessful in shielding my bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar. Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over the windows, I feel worse in theirand consequently have made the room worse. I now sleep in another room of the house.

Yes, that can happen. Remember, shielding usually means using reflective materials. If your shield leaks, then radiation gets in and is more or less trapped inside, bouncing around until it is finally absorbed by something...and that something might be you.

Using a layer of RF absorber, on the inide of the shield, can elimated thisphenomenon. So you end up with the best of both worlds: lower readings on the meter because less radiation is coming in, plus any tiny bit that does leak in gets absorbed by something other than your body.

Emil

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What is arborvitae???? I live in Arizona so it is desert here. Loni

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 3:59 PM






Sorry, Loni, I see your house is frame and stucco in a later email. So many fixes are super expensive. I can think of possible fixes for your situation but they are very expensive- -Hardee Plank siding and HR++ windows.Are you getting emfs from only one direction? Would it be cost effective to do one wall of your house? What do other people here think about this? This was a fix which was suggested to me by an emf consultant I called when I was thinking of buying a house (I didn't end up buying) last year.
How much land do you own on the offending side of your property? Can you grow arborvitae there (or other fast growing evergreens) or are you in an area these do not grow? I put a wall of 5ft ones on my current property last year--they are now nearly 8ft tall. I went around to all the nurseries and home improvement stores around this time of the year last year and these were very reasonable because they were getting rid of what didn't sell. Arborvitae grow 3 to 4 ft a season after established,  and I personally find nothing that absorbs emfs as well as evergreens.
Diane

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 6:27 PM

What kind of house did you buy, Loni? Brick, stone, aluminum siding, wood.... When I was looking for a house, the outside of the house definitely made a difference in what I felt inside and outside. There are particular things you can do with the type of material used, which is why I am asking. You can ground aluminum siding outside and that will help with cell tower emfs. Brick and stone absorbs cell tower emfs, but I found it was more likely I reacted to the wiring in brick and stone houses. I am looking forward to putting my wiring into insulated conduits for this reason in my new house (it is brick). The home is completely peaceful, tho, inside with most of my circuits off and I don't require alot of electric running all the time.
I don't know what a stone/brick house would be like in a high emf area; in my area there are only 4 cell towers, 1 microwave, and 11 antennae. Does anyone know of a way to ground stone and brick houses? I am assuming it isn't the same as for an aluminum house.
Diane

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 7:29 PM

Hi Marc, Thanks for the reply.
 
No, I am returning the Quantum Home. Not what I really need here. Need someshielding. The cell towers are on the back side of my house. I have a direct view of all of them. They are on the light posts at the football stadium& I thought they were part of the lighting. This was the worse house I could have chosen. These anntennas are all over this area too because it is a busy intersection.
 
The levels in the den which is in the front were too high for me also. Skinwas burning when I tried to sleep in there.
 
I was thinking about one side but the tint contractor usually does whole houses. I need the back wall covered to so I am getting bids. But...you know....... this shielding material is very expensive.
 
I would like get ideas on how to fight this & get them to move the darn killers.
 
Ideas on shielding are great too. I am looking in to the tint for windows &then the screen material to line the back of the house with.
 
Now the rood is made of concrete tile so do you think it will be slower to get through the roof????
 
Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM

> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It
> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only
need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc

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So if the microwaves bounce off the tint, then will it just go through the walls? 
 
I was trying a canopy & I woke up with my skin burning so it did not keep all the radiation out. Loni

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 4:12 PM






The interesting question is, how much reduction of microwaves is enough to
make a real difference. With an Acousticom, Electrosmog detector or similar
simple instrument one can see that the main beam of microwaves travels in
straight lines - the signal is much stronger when a mast is directly visible
or there is a clear path through a window, and hiding behind a house or a
wall reduces it considerably. Yes, a small proportion of the waves can bend
round corners, but it seems to be only a few percent. Is that enough to
still cause problems? Depends on the person I guess.

For Sue, it was enough to put netting on walls which were exposed to our
neighbour's cordless phone and on one window which was in direct line of
sight from a mast, plus turning off the power at night and sleeping on a
foam mattress. That cut down her microwave, electric and magnetic field
exposures down a lot, though not 100%. She was able to sleep successfully
and this helped her regain her strength. We have since been fortunate
enough to move to a different area because my job changed, and carefully
selected a house where we couldn't measure any significant exposure. This
has worked well, apart from an MCS episode with a carpet!

Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Andrew McAfee
Sent: 26 June 2008 22:32
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Microwaves can travel around shielding like liquid.

You have to totally seal the room or it will leak and bounce around
inside.

Shielding can also resonate with the frequencies and cause a
detrimental effect in the room.

Earth grounding can pull frequencies into the room.

All doom and gloom? Are we totally fu..,ked?

After thousands of dollars, I have been unsuccessful in shielding my
bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar.

Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with
Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over
the windows, I feel worse in their and consequently have made the room
worse. I now sleep in another room of the house.

Now if I were in a really bad area like it seems you are, yes, some
shielding could help get the readings and hopefully the sensations
down.

I recommend moving.

Good luck.

I turn off the power at night and sleep on an organic foam mattress.

Andrew

On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:20 PM, paulpjc@aol. <mailto:paulpjc% 40aol.com> com
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Thanks Diane, I don't know if I can live here really. Loni

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 4:20 PM






Hi again, Loni,
I should have read ALL my emails before replying to your posts! lol You say you are having problems with microwaves along one wall.... I said evergreens, Hardee Plank siding, and HR++ windows help with emfs. I find they help some with microwaves, too, but when I have researched, I find mu metal is the only real fix for microwaves. Mu metal is prohibitively expensive and impractical for any ESer to use. So for microwaves it is likely you will need to use layers of various shielding and all the things so far suggestedwould be helpful.
My 2 cents,
Diane

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 6:59 PM

Sorry, Loni, I see your house is frame and stucco in a later email. So many fixes are super expensive. I can think of possible fixes for your situation but they are very expensive- -Hardee Plank siding and HR++ windows.Are you getting emfs from only one direction? Would it be cost effective to do one wall of your house? What do other people here think about this? This was a fix which was suggested to me by an emf consultant I called when I was thinking of buying a house (I didn't end up buying) last year.
How much land do you own on the offending side of your property? Can you grow arborvitae there (or other fast growing evergreens) or are you in an area these do not grow? I put a wall of 5ft ones on my current property last year--they are now nearly 8ft tall. I went around to all the nurseries and home improvement stores around this time of the year last year and these were very reasonable because they were getting rid of what didn't sell. Arborvitae grow 3 to 4 ft a season after established,  and I personally find nothing that absorbs emfs as well as evergreens.
Diane

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 6:27 PM

What kind of house did you buy, Loni? Brick, stone, aluminum siding, wood.... When I was looking for a house, the outside of the house definitely made a difference in what I felt inside and outside. There are particular things you can do with the type of material used, which is why I am asking. You can ground aluminum siding outside and that will help with cell tower emfs. Brick and stone absorbs cell tower emfs, but I found it was more likely I reacted to the wiring in brick and stone houses. I am looking forward to putting my wiring into insulated conduits for this reason in my new house (it is brick). The home is completely peaceful, tho, inside with most of my circuits off and I don't require alot of electric running all the time.
I don't know what a stone/brick house would be like in a high emf area; in my area there are only 4 cell towers, 1 microwave, and 11 antennae. Does anyone know of a way to ground stone and brick houses? I am assuming it isn't the same as for an aluminum house.
Diane

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 7:29 PM

Hi Marc, Thanks for the reply.
 
No, I am returning the Quantum Home. Not what I really need here. Need someshielding. The cell towers are on the back side of my house. I have a direct view of all of them. They are on the light posts at the football stadium& I thought they were part of the lighting. This was the worse house I could have chosen. These anntennas are all over this area too because it is a busy intersection.
 
The levels in the den which is in the front were too high for me also. Skinwas burning when I tried to sleep in there.
 
I was thinking about one side but the tint contractor usually does whole houses. I need the back wall covered to so I am getting bids. But...you know....... this shielding material is very expensive.
 
I would like get ideas on how to fight this & get them to move the darn killers.
 
Ideas on shielding are great too. I am looking in to the tint for windows &then the screen material to line the back of the house with.
 
Now the rood is made of concrete tile so do you think it will be slower to get through the roof????
 
Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM

> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave
> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell
> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It
> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only
need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc

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None of my rooms work for me here so what shall I do? Loni

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Less EMF Inc <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 3:54 PM







>After thousands of dollars, I have been unsuccessful in shielding my bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar. Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over the windows, I feel worse in theirand consequently have made the room worse. I now sleep in another room of the house.

Yes, that can happen. Remember, shielding usually means using reflective materials. If your shield leaks, then radiation gets in and is more or less trapped inside, bouncing around until it is finally absorbed by something...and that something might be you.

Using a layer of RF absorber, on the inide of the shield, can elimated thisphenomenon. So you end up with the best of both worlds: lower readings on the meter because less radiation is coming in, plus any tiny bit that does leak in gets absorbed by something other than your body.

Emil

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Loni,
I feel your pain and your desparation. I know what that is like because
I have been there and revisit it on a somewhat regular basis.

I think your basic options are:
1) Move.
2) Stay and make the best of it.

If 2) is your choice, then you need to immediately get some way of
feeling better by shielding and body repair.
Both is needed.

We all have tried our best to fix ourselves and help each other out
with supplements, detox programs and all have things that work.
You need to find out what works for you.

GET PROFESSIONAL HELP from a dietician, herbalist, homeopathic doctor,
naturopath, kinesiologist, some health care professional that can
either do blood tests or muscle test you to see what is the best course
of action. You will know fairly quickly if it is working.

3 basic area to address:
Repair nerves/gut, balance brain chemicals...
Remove chemicals/toxins chelation...
Kill virus/bacteria infections, parasites...

Which to do first, how much and for how long?

Feeling better is a good indicator but please don't just experiment
wildly like I have done.

The things that have worked the fastest on me in the short run have been

raw milk colostrum
Phosphatidylcholine capsules
DHEA (don't use too long and get tested for levels)
Turning off power to bedroom and testing the bed especially, with a
body voltage meter and getting the electric current as low as possible
and getting rid of the metal spring mattress...
Block direct exposure to tower with silver mesh fabrics.

Regardless of my improvement over the past 5 years, I am still broken
down after a matter of hours in that kind environment. Initially, I
don't think you are going to improve very rapidly in that environment.

I highly recommend getting away for a couple of days (at least) or
weeks to regroup, clear your head and get some help. The mountains work
best for me.

Otherwise, I think you are going to do something wack to yourself
and/or your family.

This disease has made me totally crazy at times. Do not underestimate
the effect these chemicals/toxins/viruses can have on the brain and
nervous system.

You need to bite the bullet on the house if you cannot get some help
really fast with your body.

I have moved THREE times and spend many thousands of dollars
(unreimbursed by insurance) and seen many health care professionals to
find a cure.

To help with the recovery, how about writing a book of your experiences
and what works and what doesn't. You can sell it later to help in your
financial recovery.

This to me is survival of the fittest. The global elite have had a
depopulation agenda for a long time (chemicals, pesticides, vaccines,
viral seeding, aerial spraying, food contamination, wars, famine, etc).

Google "depopulation agenda" or see this short primer to get a start on
what I'm talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m5lweKdI-k&feature=related

Or see Len Horowitz and his research:
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/movie/star/1163129/a/ 
Len+Horowitz.htm

It will give you an idea and what we are dealing with and what needs to
be addressed for our total recovery. Maybe this will have nothing to do
with your immediate condition and may be too much for you to deal with
right now. Until you figure out what is going on and what has fixed
your condition you will be groping in the dark.

Surviving this will take smarts, craftiness, and even some raw anger to
get the wheels going to take an action that seems a little unpopular
(like selling your house or maybe renting it).

I look forward to hearing who you find for a health care practitioner.

All my best to you and your family,
Andrew






On Jun 27, 2008, at 12:38 AM, Loni Rosser wrote:

Loni Rosser wrote:
> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It is what has been killing me in this house.
>

Good choice of words.

> I called the superindendant of schools & they pretty much said tuff.
>

I'm afraid this is normal. There are a few people with awareness, but
the current situation is not fightable until awareness grows to an
undeniable level.

> I am trying a faraday canopy from the biologist that keeps 99 % of the radiation out. It works, my symptoms go away & I can now sleep in my bed. However, I can not live in my bed. I know for sure it is the radiation from these antennas however.
>

I am glad to hear it helps.

> I just can't afford to shield the whole house which is probably what is needed for someone with MCS who may get more sensitive if I don't block it all. Scary stuff.
>

Before spending anything on that route, please consider your location is
too close to the antennas to be a long term solution.
The canopy can be taken with you, but some of the other shielding may
not be sufficient, and won't be portable.

> Symtoms are: Headache, brain fog, no energy, pain in gut, nervous stress to a huge degree, body frame weakness like I am going to break at any moment.
>

I think you will find many people are having these symtpoms, but don't
know why. They just get prescriptions from doctor who also doesn't know
enough.

> How can I get them to move these anntennas? Any ideas. Is there a lawyer anyone knows that has a passion for this that might do Pro Bono?
>

The most visible effort (that I know of) here in the usa in Albuquerque,
is currently unsuccessful, and getting laughed at.
This won't change until more people are affected in a clear pattern that
becomes undeniable.

> I went to a friends last night in Gold Canyon. It was heaven to me. I could breath. He said he drops calls all the time. I wasn't surprised.
>

Bingo. There is your solution, and further proof of your sensitivity.
Find a place with bad celphone reception, and low chance of adding
towers to that dead zone.
I know, that is hard. very hard.

Good luck,
Stewart

Hi Loni,

> So if the microwaves bounce off the tint, then will it just go through the walls?
>

Depending on what the wall is made of, and how thick it is, it should
absorb some.
How high up does the stucco go? Is the frame covered in CDX under the
stucco, things like that.

Are the window frames vinyl, or something more solid?

The more material between you and the outside, the better.

>
> I was trying a canopy & I woke up with my skin burning so it did not keep all the radiation out.
>

How much space is or was there between the mesh and your skin?
Is it plugged into the house ground, or a separate ground, (albeit
unlikely on short notice.)
Does the canopy reach to the floor?
Is there anything between you and the floor besides the mattress?
Is the bed a wire-coil mattress (bad) or foam or filled with air like
the select-comfort?

As others have mentioned, if there is any leak, the signal can get in
and get trapped.

The best shielded rooms are double layer faraday cage with separate
grounding.

Those are the little details I can think of that should make a difference.

Stewart

Hi Stewart:
 
The window frames are made of some type of metal.
 
The walls here are 2/6 frame with stucco & then painted.
 
I had to sleep at the park last night but there were a bunch of drunk guys that were shooting a gun randomly. I had to call the police. It was scary.
 
Loni

--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Stewart A. <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stewart A. <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 9:03 AM






Hi Loni,

> So if the microwaves bounce off the tint, then will it just go through the walls?
>

Depending on what the wall is made of, and how thick it is, it should
absorb some.
How high up does the stucco go? Is the frame covered in CDX under the
stucco, things like that.

Are the window frames vinyl, or something more solid?

The more material between you and the outside, the better.

>
> I was trying a canopy & I woke up with my skin burning so it did not keepall the radiation out.
>

How much space is or was there between the mesh and your skin?
Is it plugged into the house ground, or a separate ground, (albeit
unlikely on short notice.)
Does the canopy reach to the floor?
Is there anything between you and the floor besides the mattress?
Is the bed a wire-coil mattress (bad) or foam or filled with air like
the select-comfort?

As others have mentioned, if there is any leak, the signal can get in
and get trapped.

The best shielded rooms are double layer faraday cage with separate
grounding.

Those are the little details I can think of that should make a difference.

Stewart
 














     

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The canopy stopped being safe. 2nd night I woke up with burning skin. I washaving reactions in my gut too. had to take a sleeping pill. So that is not working either.
 
I believe you are right. I am too close to the antennas but I will be homeless then.
 
Loni

--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Stewart A. <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stewart A. <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 7:16 AM






Loni Rosser wrote:
> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It is what has been killing me in this house.
>

Good choice of words.

> I called the superindendant of schools & they pretty much said tuff.
>

I'm afraid this is normal. There are a few people with awareness, but
the current situation is not fightable until awareness grows to an
undeniable level.

> I am trying a faraday canopy from the biologist that keeps 99 % of the radiation out. It works, my symptoms go away & I can now sleep in my bed. However, I can not live in my bed. I know for sure it is the radiation from these antennas however.
>

I am glad to hear it helps.

> I just can't afford to shield the whole house which is probably what is needed for someone with MCS who may get more sensitive if I don't block it all. Scary stuff.
>

Before spending anything on that route, please consider your location is
too close to the antennas to be a long term solution.
The canopy can be taken with you, but some of the other shielding may
not be sufficient, and won't be portable.

> Symtoms are: Headache, brain fog, no energy, pain in gut, nervous stress to a huge degree, body frame weakness like I am going to break at any moment.
>

I think you will find many people are having these symtpoms, but don't
know why. They just get prescriptions from doctor who also doesn't know
enough.

> How can I get them to move these anntennas? Any ideas. Is there a lawyer anyone knows that has a passion for this that might do Pro Bono?
>

The most visible effort (that I know of) here in the usa in Albuquerque,
is currently unsuccessful, and getting laughed at.
This won't change until more people are affected in a clear pattern that
becomes undeniable.

> I went to a friends last night in Gold Canyon. It was heaven to me. I could breath. He said he drops calls all the time. I wasn't surprised.
>

Bingo. There is your solution, and further proof of your sensitivity.
Find a place with bad celphone reception, and low chance of adding
towers to that dead zone.
I know, that is hard. very hard.

Good luck,
Stewart
 














     

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Hi Andrew, Thank you.
 
I can't really get help until I get out of this toxic living.
 
Has anyone had success with shielding out there?
 
I do have a doctor that I am using in Bensen Az but his treatment doesn't work unless you avoid exposure.
 
The housing market is crap now & we'd loose a lot of money my husband will not be willing to let go.
 
I can't really stay because it's too harmful to me. Like now I am having reaction & my skin is burning.
 
Loni

--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] getting help
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 7:02 AM






Loni,
I feel your pain and your desparation. I know what that is like because
I have been there and revisit it on a somewhat regular basis.

I think your basic options are:
1) Move.
2) Stay and make the best of it.

If 2) is your choice, then you need to immediately get some way of
feeling better by shielding and body repair.
Both is needed.

We all have tried our best to fix ourselves and help each other out
with supplements, detox programs and all have things that work.
You need to find out what works for you.

GET PROFESSIONAL HELP from a dietician, herbalist, homeopathic doctor,
naturopath, kinesiologist, some health care professional that can
either do blood tests or muscle test you to see what is the best course
of action. You will know fairly quickly if it is working.

3 basic area to address:
Repair nerves/gut, balance brain chemicals...
Remove chemicals/toxins chelation...
Kill virus/bacteria infections, parasites...

Which to do first, how much and for how long?

Feeling better is a good indicator but please don't just experiment
wildly like I have done.

The things that have worked the fastest on me in the short run have been

raw milk colostrum
Phosphatidylcholine capsules
DHEA (don't use too long and get tested for levels)
Turning off power to bedroom and testing the bed especially, with a
body voltage meter and getting the electric current as low as possible
and getting rid of the metal spring mattress...
Block direct exposure to tower with silver mesh fabrics.

Regardless of my improvement over the past 5 years, I am still broken
down after a matter of hours in that kind environment. Initially, I
don't think you are going to improve very rapidly in that environment.

I highly recommend getting away for a couple of days (at least) or
weeks to regroup, clear your head and get some help. The mountains work
best for me.

Otherwise, I think you are going to do something wack to yourself
and/or your family.

This disease has made me totally crazy at times. Do not underestimate
the effect these chemicals/toxins/ viruses can have on the brain and
nervous system.

You need to bite the bullet on the house if you cannot get some help
really fast with your body.

I have moved THREE times and spend many thousands of dollars
(unreimbursed by insurance) and seen many health care professionals to
find a cure.

To help with the recovery, how about writing a book of your experiences
and what works and what doesn't. You can sell it later to help in your
financial recovery.

This to me is survival of the fittest. The global elite have had a
depopulation agenda for a long time (chemicals, pesticides, vaccines,
viral seeding, aerial spraying, food contamination, wars, famine, etc).

Google "depopulation agenda" or see this short primer to get a start on
what I'm talking about:
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=-m5lweKdI- k&feature= related

Or see Len Horowitz and his research:
http://www.cduniver se.com/search/ xx/movie/ star/1163129/ a/
Len+Horowitz. htm

It will give you an idea and what we are dealing with and what needs to
be addressed for our total recovery. Maybe this will have nothing to do
with your immediate condition and may be too much for you to deal with
right now. Until you figure out what is going on and what has fixed
your condition you will be groping in the dark.

Surviving this will take smarts, craftiness, and even some raw anger to
get the wheels going to take an action that seems a little unpopular
(like selling your house or maybe renting it).

I look forward to hearing who you find for a health care practitioner.

All my best to you and your family,
Andrew

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How can it become worse, your room? did you become more sensitive?
 
How far are your towers?

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Less EMF Inc <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Less EMF Inc <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 3:54 PM







>After thousands of dollars, I have been unsuccessful in shielding my bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar. Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over the windows, I feel worse in theirand consequently have made the room worse. I now sleep in another room of the house.

Yes, that can happen. Remember, shielding usually means using reflective materials. If your shield leaks, then radiation gets in and is more or less trapped inside, bouncing around until it is finally absorbed by something...and that something might be you.

Using a layer of RF absorber, on the inide of the shield, can elimated thisphenomenon. So you end up with the best of both worlds: lower readings on the meter because less radiation is coming in, plus any tiny bit that does leak in gets absorbed by something other than your body.

Emil

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Hi,

this light post is probably made of steel or aluminum. A electrosmog neutralizing device attached to this metallic construction will do it. The problem is, people will see it, laugh at it and remove it. If you are seriosly interestet, contact me personally. There is a solution to this problem, that is invisible. I have been using this since 2003 on many base stations with success as well as many of my friends.

dietrich gruen


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An: [hidden email]
Verschickt: Do., 26. Jun. 2008, 18:07
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Hi there, So these antennas are on a light post at the school. How would I get them on?
 
Loni

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 7:38 AM

Hallo,
I had the chance to test one small orgonite device - tower buster - of about 7 cm in diameter. Attached to the metallic construction of a base stationthey may work; buried in the ground even only 10 m away is not sufficient.
It needs a special technology, to do the neutralizing of this radiation from a distance. Even this I would not prefer, because in the case of ES this often would not be enough. This has to do with the very strong resonance ES-people have for the causing scalar waves, usually stronger than the known neutralizing devices. And this resonance is influenced greatly by distance.So a neutralizing device best has to be attached to the tower.

dietrich gruen

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Von: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
An: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Verschickt: Do., 26. Jun. 2008, 1:54
Thema: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Ok thanks. Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 4:43 PM

> How would you make sure they stayed there. They are on school property.

As I recall, the orgonite devices only need to be near the towers (like,
within a 1/4 mile, although closer is better), so you could place them
somewhere just outside of the property. Also, you could bury them in
the ground or hide them in a bush where they'd likely not be moved.

But again, I don't think we have anyone here on this group who's done
this, so I don't know how well it would work for people with ES. I
just recall that these things are cheap, and have a certain following.

Marc

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What will that do to the radiation. I mean it is powerful stuff!!! Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 11:24 AM






Hi,

this light post is probably made of steel or aluminum. A electrosmog neutralizing device attached to this metallic construction will do it. The problem is, people will see it, laugh at it and remove it. If you are seriosly interestet, contact me personally. There is a solution to this problem, that is invisible. I have been using this since 2003 on many base stations with success as well as many of my friends.

dietrich gruen

-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-- ---
Von: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
An: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Verschickt: Do., 26. Jun. 2008, 18:07
Thema: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Hi there, So these antennas are on a light post at the school. How would I get them on?
 
Loni

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From: Gruendg@aol. com <Gruendg@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 7:38 AM

Hallo,
I had the chance to test one small orgonite device - tower buster - of about 7 cm in diameter. Attached to the metallic construction of a base stationthey may work; buried in the ground even only 10 m away is not sufficient.
It needs a special technology, to do the neutralizing of this radiation from a distance. Even this I would not prefer, because in the case of ES this often would not be enough. This has to do with the very strong resonance ES-people have for the causing scalar waves, usually stronger than the known neutralizing devices. And this resonance is influenced greatly by distance.So a neutralizing device best has to be attached to the tower.

dietrich gruen

-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-- ---
Von: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
An: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Verschickt: Do., 26. Jun. 2008, 1:54
Thema: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Ok thanks. Loni

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 4:43 PM

> How would you make sure they stayed there. They are on school property.

As I recall, the orgonite devices only need to be near the towers (like,
within a 1/4 mile, although closer is better), so you could place them
somewhere just outside of the property. Also, you could bury them in
the ground or hide them in a bush where they'd likely not be moved.

But again, I don't think we have anyone here on this group who's done
this, so I don't know how well it would work for people with ES. I
just recall that these things are cheap, and have a certain following.

Marc

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> What will that do to the radiation. I mean it is powerful stuff!!! Loni

When you say it is "powerful stuff", does anyone else in your family
notice it? If it is only you that is bothered by it, then it's
probably not that powerful.

Marc

They have healthy immune systems Marc but long term there could be problems. Plus my dog is little. The test was that the radiation was 1000 times what a body can handle. A normal body.
 
These anntenna's are right out side my back window. It makes me a frazzled mess to be in the house.
 
I do fear for my family. Loni

--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 12:00 PM






> What will that do to the radiation. I mean it is powerful stuff!!! Loni

When you say it is "powerful stuff", does anyone else in your family
notice it? If it is only you that is bothered by it, then it's
probably not that powerful.

Marc
 














     

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> I do fear for my family. Loni

Yes, even if you cannot move now, you definitely
should plan on moving *sometime*.

But what may seem overwhelming to one person
may have no impact on another. I can recall
being completely overwhelmed by even a
light switch, while most people would have
zero reaction to such things.

Marc