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jpnordica

why distance to the computer does not help?

When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some symptoms- though there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something "in the air", I can feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty air" that Charles talks about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100 MHz radiation) shows 0 radiation.

JP

Marc Martin

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

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On August 19, jpnordica <[hidden email]> wrote:
> When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some symptoms- though
> there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something "in the air", I can
> feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty air" that Charles talks
> about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100 MHz radiation)
> shows 0 radiation.

Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".

In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so it's the
same kind of thing.

Marc

charles-4

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

It depends on the electronic parts used in the monitor/TV
*Vorschaltgeraete* the jerries call it.

The frequencies are between 5kHz and 20-30MHz.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.minderstraling.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?

On August 19, jpnordica <[hidden email]> wrote:
> When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some symptoms- though
> there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something "in the air", I can
> feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty air" that Charles talks
> about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100 MHz radiation)
> shows 0 radiation.

Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".

In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so it's the
same kind of thing.

Marc

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jpnordica

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

Are there any meters that would measure there frequencies? Usually meters just measure low freqs and RFs.

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>
> It depends on the electronic parts used in the monitor/TV
> *Vorschaltgeraete* the jerries call it.
>
> The frequencies are between 5kHz and 20-30MHz.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.minderstraling.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Emsisoft
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marc Martin
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?
>
>
> On August 19, jpnordica <jpnordica@...> wrote:
> > When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some symptoms- though
> > there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something "in the air", I can
> > feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty air" that Charles talks
> > about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100 MHz radiation)
> > shows 0 radiation.
>
> Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
>
> In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so it's the
> same kind of thing.
>
> Marc
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

charles-4

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

Sure,

special spectrumanalyser's like the Spectran NF.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.minderstraling.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft

----- Original Message -----
From: jpnordica
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

Are there any meters that would measure there frequencies? Usually meters just measure low freqs and RFs.

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> It depends on the electronic parts used in the monitor/TV
> *Vorschaltgeraete* the jerries call it.
>
> The frequencies are between 5kHz and 20-30MHz.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.minderstraling.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Emsisoft
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marc Martin
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?
>
>
> On August 19, jpnordica <jpnordica@...> wrote:
> > When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some symptoms- though
> > there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something "in the air", I can
> > feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty air" that Charles talks
> > about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100 MHz radiation)
> > shows 0 radiation.
>
> Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
>
> In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so it's the
> same kind of thing.
>
> Marc
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Patricia

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

my understanding is that EMF comes off equipment
that is making noise or light or motion, or just
'managing' electricity, as a transformer... what
that feels like to me is like a little lightning bolts
that zap my face, head, leg and feet muscles,
contracting them involuntarily.

"dirty electricity" is stray electricity that escapes
from the wiring system of a building, or is just "in
the air". ? i am beginning to be more aware of
what that feels like. to me, it feels like i am in a
smog chamber, like when i used to live in los
angeles in the 1960s. i had a 'foggy, smoggy'
headache due to the literally dirty air. i once
purchased a pair of sunglasses down the street
from where i worked and by the time i'd walked
back to my office, the sunglasses were coated
with the LA smog. that was around the time i
decided it was a good idea to leave that area.

i have an EMF meter that only seems to report on
the inner electro/magnetic activity of machines -
frig, computer, air conditioner, fan, hair dryer, TV,
etc... and i have a stetzer meter that plugs into
electrical sockets in the walls and it measures the
level of electricity flowing through the circuitry and
then - over and above it.

i think of them as two different things... thanks to
having been educated on this list.
both can be problematic for someone who is
sensitive. and both are pretty much omnipresent
these days.

therefore, i am wondering if a reaction to a TV or
a computer from a distance might not be due to
running into another source of EMF or just the
dirty electricity from the wall - i hear that dirty
electricity has a span of around 3' all around it. ?

btw, yesterday i bought the kindle edition of
"Dirty Electricity" by Milham. $3 - you don't need
a kindle machine... you can download the kindle
software to your computer. i look forward to
reading his book and learning more about the
subject.

love, patricia

On Aug 19, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

> On August 19, jpnordica <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some symptoms- though
>> there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something "in the air", I can
>> feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty air" that Charles talks
>> about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100 MHz radiation)
>> shows 0 radiation.
>
> Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
>
> In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so it's the
> same kind of thing.
>
> Marc
>

jpnordica

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

In reply to this post by charles-4

so if a claeprotect or CMO product would be used, could the difference be seen in the meter? or just in the body?

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>
> Sure,
>
> special spectrumanalyser's like the Spectran NF.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.minderstraling.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Emsisoft
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jpnordica
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
>
>
> Are there any meters that would measure there frequencies? Usually meters just measure low freqs and RFs.
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >
> > It depends on the electronic parts used in the monitor/TV
> > *Vorschaltgeraete* the jerries call it.
> >
> > The frequencies are between 5kHz and 20-30MHz.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.minderstraling.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Emsisoft
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marc Martin
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?
> >
> >
> > On August 19, jpnordica <jpnordica@> wrote:
> > > When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some symptoms- though
> > > there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something "in the air", I can
> > > feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty air" that Charles talks
> > > about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100 MHz radiation)
> > > shows 0 radiation.
> >
> > Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
> >
> > In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so it's the
> > same kind of thing.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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ginneen@hotmail.com

RE: why distance to the computer does not help?

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how's the battery affecting us, that's where i get most of my hotness from when not connected to wifi

To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:12:35 +0000
Subject: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?

When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some symptoms- though there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something "in the air", I can feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty air" that Charles talks about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100 MHz radiation) shows 0 radiation.

JP

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Marc Martin

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

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On August 19, ginneen smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> how's the battery affecting us, that's where i get most of my hotness from when not connected to wifi

Although some people are affected by batteries, I think for a laptop
you are most likely reacting to the display, or the hard drive, or the
CPU. A hot battery is merely a sign that your laptop is requiring a lot
of power. Laptops vary in this regard -- some get really hot, while
some stay relatively cool. From an ES standpoint, I'd think that
a cool-running laptop would be preferable, although there are of
course various factors that would make a laptop more or less
tolerable.

Marc

charles-4

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

In reply to this post by jpnordica

Only on the body.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.minderstraling.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft
----- Original Message -----
From: jpnordica
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:27 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

so if a claeprotect or CMO product would be used, could the difference be seen in the meter? or just in the body?

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Sure,
>
> special spectrumanalyser's like the Spectran NF.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.minderstraling.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Emsisoft
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jpnordica
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
>
>
> Are there any meters that would measure there frequencies? Usually meters just measure low freqs and RFs.
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >
> > It depends on the electronic parts used in the monitor/TV
> > *Vorschaltgeraete* the jerries call it.
> >
> > The frequencies are between 5kHz and 20-30MHz.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.minderstraling.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Emsisoft
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marc Martin
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?
> >
> >
> > On August 19, jpnordica <jpnordica@> wrote:
> > > When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some symptoms- though
> > > there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something "in the air", I can
> > > feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty air" that Charles talks
> > > about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100 MHz radiation)
> > > shows 0 radiation.
> >
> > Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
> >
> > In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so it's the
> > same kind of thing.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
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PUK

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

In reply to this post by jpnordica

I have a cornet meter with sound upto 8ghz anyone know what transmission
sounds like a clock ticking fast, I pick this up in my living room along with
a 1 second click (2 separate signals)

puk

In a message dated 8/19/2013 7:24:01 P.M. Dateline Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Only on the body.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.minderstraling.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft
----- Original Message -----
From: jpnordica
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:27 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

so if a claeprotect or CMO product would be used, could the difference be
seen in the meter? or just in the body?

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
<charles@...> wrote:

meters just measure low freqs and RFs.
>
>
>
> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
<charles@> wrote:

> >
> > It depends on the electronic parts used in the monitor/TV
> > *Vorschaltgeraete* the jerries call it.
> >
> > The frequencies are between 5kHz and 20-30MHz.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.minderstraling.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Emsisoft
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marc Martin
> > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
> > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?
> >
> >
> > On August 19, jpnordica <jpnordica@> wrote:
> > > When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some

symptoms- though
> > > there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something
"in the air", I can
> > > feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty
air" that Charles talks
> > > about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100
MHz radiation)
> > > shows 0 radiation.
> >
> > Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
> >
> > In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so
it's the

> > same kind of thing.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
>
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rolf

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

It's most likely wifi.

Rolf

On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:49 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> I have a cornet meter with sound upto 8ghz anyone know what transmission
> sounds like a clock ticking fast, I pick this up in my living room along with
> a 1 second click (2 separate signals)
>
> puk
>
>
> In a message dated 8/19/2013 7:24:01 P.M. Dateline Standard Time,
> [hidden email] writes:
>
> Only on the body.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.minderstraling.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Emsisoft
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jpnordica
> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:27 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
>
> so if a claeprotect or CMO product would be used, could the difference be
> seen in the meter? or just in the body?
>
> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
> <charles@...> wrote:
> >
> > Sure,
> >
> > special spectrumanalyser's like the Spectran NF.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.minderstraling.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Emsisoft
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jpnordica
> > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
> > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
> >
> >
> > Are there any meters that would measure there frequencies? Usually
> meters just measure low freqs and RFs.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
> <charles@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It depends on the electronic parts used in the monitor/TV
> > > *Vorschaltgeraete* the jerries call it.
> > >
> > > The frequencies are between 5kHz and 20-30MHz.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > www.minderstraling.nl
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Emsisoft
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Marc Martin
> > > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
> > > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?
> > >
> > >
> > > On August 19, jpnordica <jpnordica@> wrote:
> > > > When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some
> symptoms- though
> > > > there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something
> "in the air", I can
> > > > feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty
> air" that Charles talks
> > > > about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100
> MHz radiation)
> > > > shows 0 radiation.
> > >
> > > Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
> > >
> > > In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so
> it's the
> > > same kind of thing.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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sleepbiology

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

In reply to this post by PUK

It's a newer WiFi router using a 2.4 and a 5 GHz frequency.

________________________________
From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

I have a cornet meter with sound upto 8ghz anyone know what transmission
sounds like a clock ticking fast, I pick this up in my living room along with
a 1 second click (2 separate signals)

puk

In a message dated 8/19/2013 7:24:01 P.M. Dateline Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Only on the body.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.minderstraling.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft
----- Original Message -----
From: jpnordica
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:27 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

so if a claeprotect or CMO product would be used, could the difference be
seen in the meter? or just in the body?

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
<charles@...> wrote:

meters just measure low freqs and RFs.
>
>
>
> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
<charles@> wrote:

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jpnordica

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

In reply to this post by charles-4

Ok. So, does this "dirty air" go through walls? My guess would be no - because I can not feel my neighbours' TV's or computers.

JP

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>
> Only on the body.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.minderstraling.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Emsisoft
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jpnordica
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:27 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
>
>
> so if a claeprotect or CMO product would be used, could the difference be seen in the meter? or just in the body?
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >
> > Sure,
> >
> > special spectrumanalyser's like the Spectran NF.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.minderstraling.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Emsisoft
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jpnordica
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
> >
> >
> > Are there any meters that would measure there frequencies? Usually meters just measure low freqs and RFs.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It depends on the electronic parts used in the monitor/TV
> > > *Vorschaltgeraete* the jerries call it.
> > >
> > > The frequencies are between 5kHz and 20-30MHz.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > www.minderstraling.nl
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Emsisoft
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Marc Martin
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?
> > >
> > >
> > > On August 19, jpnordica <jpnordica@> wrote:
> > > > When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some symptoms- though
> > > > there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something "in the air", I can
> > > > feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty air" that Charles talks
> > > > about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100 MHz radiation)
> > > > shows 0 radiation.
> > >
> > > Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
> > >
> > > In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so it's the
> > > same kind of thing.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
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>

Patricia

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

In reply to this post by rolf

do you have a laptop you can check with... moving
it around until you find 'the spot' where it is coming
from?
love, patricia

On Aug 20, 2013, at 5:07 AM, Rolf Muertter wrote:

> It's most likely wifi.
>
> Rolf
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:49 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>> I have a cornet meter with sound upto 8ghz anyone know what transmission
>> sounds like a clock ticking fast, I pick this up in my living room along with
>> a 1 second click (2 separate signals)
>>
>> puk
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 8/19/2013 7:24:01 P.M. Dateline Standard Time,
>> [hidden email] writes:
>>
>> Only on the body.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.minderstraling.nl
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Emsisoft
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: jpnordica
>> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:27 PM
>> Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
>>
>> so if a claeprotect or CMO product would be used, could the difference be
>> seen in the meter? or just in the body?
>>
>> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
>> <charles@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure,
>>>
>>> special spectrumanalyser's like the Spectran NF.
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> Charles Claessens
>>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>>> www.milieuziektes.be
>>> www.minderstraling.nl
>>> www.hetbitje.nl
>>> checked by Emsisoft
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: jpnordica
>>> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27 PM
>>> Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there any meters that would measure there frequencies? Usually
>> meters just measure low freqs and RFs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
>> <charles@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It depends on the electronic parts used in the monitor/TV
>>>> *Vorschaltgeraete* the jerries call it.
>>>>
>>>> The frequencies are between 5kHz and 20-30MHz.
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> Charles Claessens
>>>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>>>> www.milieuziektes.be
>>>> www.minderstraling.nl
>>>> www.hetbitje.nl
>>>> checked by Emsisoft
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Marc Martin
>>>> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On August 19, jpnordica <jpnordica@> wrote:
>>>>> When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some
>> symptoms- though
>>>>> there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something
>> "in the air", I can
>>>>> feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty
>> air" that Charles talks
>>>>> about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100
>> MHz radiation)
>>>>> shows 0 radiation.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
>>>>
>>>> In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so
>> it's the
>>>> same kind of thing.
>>>>
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

PUK

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

In reply to this post by jpnordica

no not sure if its wifi i have an esmog detector, a cornet meter and a
Trifeild meter,

In a message dated 8/20/2013 2:50:49 A.M. Dateline Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

do you have a laptop you can check with... moving
it around until you find 'the spot' where it is coming
from?
love, patricia

On Aug 20, 2013, at 5:07 AM, Rolf Muertter wrote:

> It's most likely wifi.
>
> Rolf
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:49 AM, _paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
wrote:
>
>> I have a cornet meter with sound upto 8ghz anyone know what
transmission
>> sounds like a clock ticking fast, I pick this up in my living room
along with

>> a 1 second click (2 separate signals)
>>
>> puk
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 8/19/2013 7:24:01 P.M. Dateline Standard Time,
>> _charles@milieuziektes.be_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes:
>>
>> Only on the body.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.minderstraling.nl
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Emsisoft
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: jpnordica
>> To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _

(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) )
>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:27 PM
>> Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
>>
>> so if a claeprotect or CMO product would be used, could the difference
be
>> seen in the meter? or just in the body?
>>
>> --- In __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) , "charles"

>> <charles@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure,
>>>
>>> special spectrumanalyser's like the Spectran NF.
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> Charles Claessens
>>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>>> www.milieuziektes.be
>>> www.minderstraling.nl
>>> www.hetbitje.nl
>>> checked by Emsisoft
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: jpnordica
>>> To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _

(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) )

>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27 PM
>>> Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there any meters that would measure there frequencies? Usually
>> meters just measure low freqs and RFs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _

(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) , "charles"

>> <charles@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It depends on the electronic parts used in the monitor/TV
>>>> *Vorschaltgeraete* the jerries call it.
>>>>
>>>> The frequencies are between 5kHz and 20-30MHz.
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> Charles Claessens
>>>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>>>> www.milieuziektes.be
>>>> www.minderstraling.nl
>>>> www.hetbitje.nl
>>>> checked by Emsisoft
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Marc Martin
>>>> To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _

(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) )

>>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On August 19, jpnordica <jpnordica@> wrote:
>>>>> When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some
>> symptoms- though
>>>>> there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something
>> "in the air", I can
>>>>> feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty
>> air" that Charles talks
>>>>> about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100
>> MHz radiation)
>>>>> shows 0 radiation.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
>>>>
>>>> In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so
>> it's the
>>>> same kind of thing.
>>>>
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Marc Martin

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

Administrator

In reply to this post by jpnordica

On August 20, jpnordica <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Ok. So, does this "dirty air" go through walls? My guess would be no - because I can
> not feel my neighbours' TV's or computers.

I remember the days when I could feel my neighbors television (when we had a
neighbor just on the other side of a wall). But that was back when people had
tube televisons, which produced large magnetic fields (which DO go through
walls).

Marc

Marc Martin

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

Administrator

In reply to this post by jpnordica

On August 20, jpnordica <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Ok. So, does this "dirty air" go through walls? My guess would be no - because
> I can not feel my neighbours' TV's or computers.

Also, I would think that all EMF that you're going to react to could
be referred to as "dirty air". After all, if this noise was strictly inside
of appliances or wiring, then it wouldn't be bothering you.

Marc

PUK

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

In reply to this post by jpnordica

you are very wrong there, if a modern tv is on a wall and you are the
otherside of it you are getting badly irradiated with low frequency waves !!!!
try an AM radio in such situations and see for yourself - flat screen tvs
that are wall ,mountable should have a warning on them regarding placement
and consideration of the radiation emissions that go through walls like a
hot knife through butter, what if your bed was the other side or a babies cot
!!!!

puk

In a message dated 8/20/2013 4:42:19 A.M. Dateline Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Ok. So, does this "dirty air" go through walls? My guess would be no -
because I can not feel my neighbours' TV's or computers.

JP

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
<charles@...> wrote:

be seen in the meter? or just in the body?
>
> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
<charles@> wrote:

> >
> > Sure,
> >
> > special spectrumanalyser's like the Spectran NF.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.minderstraling.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Emsisoft
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jpnordica
> > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
> > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
> >
> >
> > Are there any meters that would measure there frequencies? Usually

meters just measure low freqs and RFs.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ,
"charles" <charles@> wrote:

> > >
> > > It depends on the electronic parts used in the monitor/TV
> > > *Vorschaltgeraete* the jerries call it.
> > >
> > > The frequencies are between 5kHz and 20-30MHz.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > www.minderstraling.nl
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Emsisoft
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Marc Martin
> > > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
> > > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?
> > >
> > >
> > > On August 19, jpnordica <jpnordica@> wrote:
> > > > When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some

symptoms- though
> > > > there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something
"in the air", I can
> > > > feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that
"dirty air" that Charles talks
> > > > about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above
100 MHz radiation)
> > > > shows 0 radiation.
> > >
> > > Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
> > >
> > > In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so
it's the

> > > same kind of thing.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

rolf

Re: why distance to the computer does not help?

In reply to this post by Patricia

This is what wifi sounds like:

http://www.emfields.org/detectors/audio/wifi.mp3

And here are more example sound files:

http://www.emfields.org/detectors/acoustimeter.asp

Rolf

On Aug 20, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Patricia Robinett wrote:

> do you have a laptop you can check with... moving
> it around until you find 'the spot' where it is coming
> from?
> love, patricia
>
> On Aug 20, 2013, at 5:07 AM, Rolf Muertter wrote:
>
> > It's most likely wifi.
> >
> > Rolf
> >
> >
> > On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:49 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
> >
> >> I have a cornet meter with sound upto 8ghz anyone know what transmission
> >> sounds like a clock ticking fast, I pick this up in my living room along with
> >> a 1 second click (2 separate signals)
> >>
> >> puk
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 8/19/2013 7:24:01 P.M. Dateline Standard Time,
> >> [hidden email] writes:
> >>
> >> Only on the body.
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >> Charles Claessens
> >> www.milieuziektes.nl
> >> www.milieuziektes.be
> >> www.minderstraling.nl
> >> www.hetbitje.nl
> >> checked by Emsisoft
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: jpnordica
> >> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
> >> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:27 PM
> >> Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
> >>
> >> so if a claeprotect or CMO product would be used, could the difference be
> >> seen in the meter? or just in the body?
> >>
> >> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
> >> <charles@...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sure,
> >>>
> >>> special spectrumanalyser's like the Spectran NF.
> >>>
> >>> Greetings,
> >>> Charles Claessens
> >>> www.milieuziektes.nl
> >>> www.milieuziektes.be
> >>> www.minderstraling.nl
> >>> www.hetbitje.nl
> >>> checked by Emsisoft
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: jpnordica
> >>> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
> >>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27 PM
> >>> Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Are there any meters that would measure there frequencies? Usually
> >> meters just measure low freqs and RFs.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
> >> <charles@> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It depends on the electronic parts used in the monitor/TV
> >>>> *Vorschaltgeraete* the jerries call it.
> >>>>
> >>>> The frequencies are between 5kHz and 20-30MHz.
> >>>>
> >>>> Greetings,
> >>>> Charles Claessens
> >>>> www.milieuziektes.nl
> >>>> www.milieuziektes.be
> >>>> www.minderstraling.nl
> >>>> www.hetbitje.nl
> >>>> checked by Emsisoft
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Marc Martin
> >>>> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:19 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On August 19, jpnordica <jpnordica@> wrote:
> >>>>> When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some
> >> symptoms- though
> >>>>> there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something
> >> "in the air", I can
> >>>>> feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty
> >> air" that Charles talks
> >>>>> about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100
> >> MHz radiation)
> >>>>> shows 0 radiation.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
> >>>>
> >>>> In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so
> >> it's the
> >>>> same kind of thing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Marc
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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