why distance to the computer does not help?

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> From: Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]>
>To: [hidden email]
>Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 4:16:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?
>
>
>my understanding is that EMF comes off equipment
>that is making noise or light or motion, or just
>'managing' electricity, as a transformer...  what
>that feels like to me is like a little lightning bolts
>that zap my face, head, leg and feet muscles,
>contracting them involuntarily. 
>
>"dirty electricity" is stray electricity that escapes
>from the wiring system of a building, or is just "in
>the air".  ?  i am beginning to be more aware of
>what that feels like.  to me, it feels like i am in a
>smog chamber, like when i used to live in los
>angeles in the 1960s.  i had a 'foggy, smoggy'
>headache due to the literally dirty air.  i once
>purchased a pair of sunglasses down the street
>from where i worked and by the time i'd walked
>back to my office, the sunglasses were coated
>with the LA smog.  that was around the time i
>decided it was a good idea to leave that area.
>
>i have an EMF meter that only seems to report on
>the inner electro/magnetic activity of machines -
>frig, computer, air conditioner, fan, hair dryer, TV,
>etc... and i have a stetzer meter that plugs into
>electrical sockets in the walls and it measures the
>level of electricity flowing through the circuitry and
>then - over and above it. 
>
>i think of them as two different things... thanks to
>having been educated on this list. 
>both can be problematic for someone who is
>sensitive.  and both are pretty much omnipresent
>these days.
>
>therefore, i am wondering if a reaction to a TV or
>a computer from a distance might not be due to
>running into another source of EMF or just the
>dirty electricity from the wall - i hear that dirty
>electricity has a span of around 3' all around it.  ?   
>
>btw, yesterday i bought the kindle edition of
>"Dirty Electricity" by Milham.  $3 - you don't need
>a kindle machine... you can download the kindle
>software to your computer.  i look forward to
>reading his book and learning more about the
>subject. 
>
>love, patricia 
>
>
>On Aug 19, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Marc Martin wrote:
>
>> On August 19, jpnordica <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some symptoms- though
>>> there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something "in the air", I can
>>> feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty air" that Charles talks
>>> about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100 MHz radiation)
>>> shows 0 radiation.
>>
>> Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
>>
>> In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so it's the
>> same kind of thing.
>>
>> Marc
>>
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> This is what wifi sounds like:
>
> http://www.emfields.org/detectors/audio/wifi.mp3
>
> And here are more example sound files:
>
> http://www.emfields.org/detectors/acoustimeter.asp
>
> Rolf
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> On Aug 20, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Patricia Robinett wrote:
>
> > do you have a laptop you can check with... moving
> > it around until you find 'the spot' where it is coming
> > from?
> > love, patricia
> >
> > On Aug 20, 2013, at 5:07 AM, Rolf Muertter wrote:
> >
> > > It's most likely wifi.
> > >
> > > Rolf
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:49 AM, paulpjc@... wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have a cornet meter with sound upto 8ghz anyone know what transmission
> > >> sounds like a clock ticking fast, I pick this up in my living room along with
> > >> a 1 second click (2 separate signals)
> > >>
> > >> puk
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> In a message dated 8/19/2013 7:24:01 P.M. Dateline Standard Time,
> > >> charles@... writes:
> > >>
> > >> Only on the body.
> > >>
> > >> Greetings,
> > >> Charles Claessens
> > >> www.milieuziektes.nl
> > >> www.milieuziektes.be
> > >> www.minderstraling.nl
> > >> www.hetbitje.nl
> > >> checked by Emsisoft
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: jpnordica
> > >> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
> > >> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:27 PM
> > >> Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
> > >>
> > >> so if a claeprotect or CMO product would be used, could the difference be
> > >> seen in the meter? or just in the body?
> > >>
> > >> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
> > >> <charles@> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Sure,
> > >>>
> > >>> special spectrumanalyser's like the Spectran NF.
> > >>>
> > >>> Greetings,
> > >>> Charles Claessens
> > >>> www.milieuziektes.nl
> > >>> www.milieuziektes.be
> > >>> www.minderstraling.nl
> > >>> www.hetbitje.nl
> > >>> checked by Emsisoft
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: jpnordica
> > >>> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
> > >>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27 PM
> > >>> Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Are there any meters that would measure there frequencies? Usually
> > >> meters just measure low freqs and RFs.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
> > >> <charles@> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It depends on the electronic parts used in the monitor/TV
> > >>>> *Vorschaltgeraete* the jerries call it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The frequencies are between 5kHz and 20-30MHz.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Greetings,
> > >>>> Charles Claessens
> > >>>> www.milieuziektes.nl
> > >>>> www.milieuziektes.be
> > >>>> www.minderstraling.nl
> > >>>> www.hetbitje.nl
> > >>>> checked by Emsisoft
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: Marc Martin
> > >>>> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
> > >>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:19 PM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On August 19, jpnordica <jpnordica@> wrote:
> > >>>>> When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some
> > >> symptoms- though
> > >>>>> there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something
> > >> "in the air", I can
> > >>>>> feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty
> > >> air" that Charles talks
> > >>>>> about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100
> > >> MHz radiation)
> > >>>>> shows 0 radiation.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so
> > >> it's the
> > >>>> same kind of thing.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Marc
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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> Patricia,
>
> This is how Martin Graham described so-called dirty electricity:
>
>
> The
> electrical pollution considered in this report is electrostatic fields
> that vary rapidly in a random or noiselike pattern. When Guglielmo
> Marconi transmitted wireless signals from Polphu, England to St. John's,
> New Foundland on December 12, 1901 he used a spark transmitter that
> generated fields of this type. The antenna and the ground were connected
> to the spark gap. The wireless signals used today are much more
> orderly, since this is the basic way to enable multiple communication
> channels that share a common medium [1]. These modem signals have
> sinusoidal waveforms that are similar to those in the electrical
> distribution systems. However, there are millions of transmitters in the
> electrical power system that are the equivalent of Marconi's
> transmitter, and the power distribution wires are the antennas and
> grounds that couple these noiselike signals to humans. An inexpensive
> hand held AM radio receiver will detect these signals. Tune the receiver
> to the lowest frequency on the dial (about 500 kilohertz) which is
> below the lowest frequency broadcast station, turn up the volume...
>
>  
> http://www.electricalpollution.com/mitigation.html
>
>   ~=~
>   Hud
> _________________________________________________________
> nam tua res agitur, paries cum proximus ardet
> You too are in danger when your neighbor's house is on fire (Horace)
>
>
>
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 4:16:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?
>>
>>
>> my understanding is that EMF comes off equipment
>> that is making noise or light or motion, or just
>> 'managing' electricity, as a transformer...  what
>> that feels like to me is like a little lightning bolts
>> that zap my face, head, leg and feet muscles,
>> contracting them involuntarily.  
>>
>> "dirty electricity" is stray electricity that escapes
>> from the wiring system of a building, or is just "in
>> the air".  ?  i am beginning to be more aware of
>> what that feels like.  to me, it feels like i am in a
>> smog chamber, like when i used to live in los
>> angeles in the 1960s.  i had a 'foggy, smoggy'
>> headache due to the literally dirty air.  i once
>> purchased a pair of sunglasses down the street
>> from where i worked and by the time i'd walked
>> back to my office, the sunglasses were coated
>> with the LA smog.  that was around the time i
>> decided it was a good idea to leave that area.
>>
>> i have an EMF meter that only seems to report on
>> the inner electro/magnetic activity of machines -
>> frig, computer, air conditioner, fan, hair dryer, TV,
>> etc... and i have a stetzer meter that plugs into
>> electrical sockets in the walls and it measures the
>> level of electricity flowing through the circuitry and
>> then - over and above it.  
>>
>> i think of them as two different things... thanks to
>> having been educated on this list.  
>> both can be problematic for someone who is
>> sensitive.  and both are pretty much omnipresent
>> these days.
>>
>> therefore, i am wondering if a reaction to a TV or
>> a computer from a distance might not be due to
>> running into another source of EMF or just the
>> dirty electricity from the wall - i hear that dirty
>> electricity has a span of around 3' all around it.  ?    
>>
>> btw, yesterday i bought the kindle edition of
>> "Dirty Electricity" by Milham.  $3 - you don't need
>> a kindle machine... you can download the kindle
>> software to your computer.  i look forward to
>> reading his book and learning more about the
>> subject.  
>>
>> love, patricia  
>>
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Marc Martin wrote:
>>
>>> On August 19, jpnordica <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some symptoms- though
>>>> there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something "in the air", I can
>>>> feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty air" that Charles talks
>>>> about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100 MHz radiation)
>>>> shows 0 radiation.
>>>
>>> Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
>>>
>>> In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so it's the
>>> same kind of thing.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> On August 20, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> EMF and dirty electricity are different.  you can
>> measure EMF with a gauss meter, and dirty electricity
>> with a stetzer-type meter which plugs into the circuit.  
>
> You could probably also measure the frequencies emitted
> from your electrical wiring if you had the right meter for
> that -- like those $1000 Spectran meters that Charles
> mentioned...
>
> Marc
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

>
> This is what wifi sounds like:
>
> http://www.emfields.org/detectors/audio/wifi.mp3
>
> And here are more example sound files:
>
> http://www.emfields.org/detectors/acoustimeter.asp
>
> Rolf
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Patricia Robinett wrote:
>
> > do you have a laptop you can check with... moving
> > it around until you find 'the spot' where it is coming
> > from?
> > love, patricia
> >
> > On Aug 20, 2013, at 5:07 AM, Rolf Muertter wrote:
> >
> > > It's most likely wifi.
> > >
> > > Rolf
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:49 AM, paulpjc@... wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have a cornet meter with sound upto 8ghz anyone know what transmission
> > >> sounds like a clock ticking fast, I pick this up in my living room along with
> > >> a 1 second click (2 separate signals)
> > >>
> > >> puk
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> In a message dated 8/19/2013 7:24:01 P.M. Dateline Standard Time,
> > >> charles@... writes:
> > >>
> > >> Only on the body.
> > >>
> > >> Greetings,
> > >> Charles Claessens
> > >> www.milieuziektes.nl
> > >> www.milieuziektes.be
> > >> www.minderstraling.nl
> > >> www.hetbitje.nl
> > >> checked by Emsisoft
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: jpnordica
> > >> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
> > >> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:27 PM
> > >> Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
> > >>
> > >> so if a claeprotect or CMO product would be used, could the difference be
> > >> seen in the meter? or just in the body?
> > >>
> > >> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
> > >> <charles@> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Sure,
> > >>>
> > >>> special spectrumanalyser's like the Spectran NF.
> > >>>
> > >>> Greetings,
> > >>> Charles Claessens
> > >>> www.milieuziektes.nl
> > >>> www.milieuziektes.be
> > >>> www.minderstraling.nl
> > >>> www.hetbitje.nl
> > >>> checked by Emsisoft
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: jpnordica
> > >>> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
> > >>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27 PM
> > >>> Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Are there any meters that would measure there frequencies? Usually
> > >> meters just measure low freqs and RFs.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "charles"
> > >> <charles@> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It depends on the electronic parts used in the monitor/TV
> > >>>> *Vorschaltgeraete* the jerries call it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The frequencies are between 5kHz and 20-30MHz.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Greetings,
> > >>>> Charles Claessens
> > >>>> www.milieuziektes.nl
> > >>>> www.milieuziektes.be
> > >>>> www.minderstraling.nl
> > >>>> www.hetbitje.nl
> > >>>> checked by Emsisoft
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: Marc Martin
> > >>>> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
> > >>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:19 PM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] why distance to the computer does not help?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On August 19, jpnordica <jpnordica@> wrote:
> > >>>>> When I watch my computer from 5 meters it still gives me some
> > >> symptoms- though
> > >>>>> there shouldnt be much EMFs that far. But there is still something
> > >> "in the air", I can
> > >>>>> feel it (wifi and bluetooth are off). What is it? Is it that "dirty
> > >> air" that Charles talks
> > >>>>> about? Low frequency EMFs? Any ideas? Cornet meter (shows above 100
> > >> MHz radiation)
> > >>>>> shows 0 radiation.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yes, I believe that is what Charles refers to as "dirty air".
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In the past, I have had a reaction to a TV set from 20 feet away, so
> > >> it's the
> > >>>> same kind of thing.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Marc
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>>  EMF and dirty electricity are different. you can
>> measure EMF with  a gauss meter, and dirty electricity
>> with a stetzer-type meter  which plugs into the circuit.
>
> You could probably also  measure the frequencies emitted
> from your electrical wiring if you had  the right meter for
> that -- like those $1000 Spectran meters that  Charles
> mentioned...
>
> Marc
>
>
>  ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups  Links
>
>
>
>

> On August 20, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> marc, when you use a radio to find dirty electricity,
>> does that measure how far from the wall it extends?  
>> thanks.
>
> I think a radio is just an inexpensive way to get an idea
> of what problems there might be.  I would not use it
> to draw any definite conclusions.  I know that I've used
> a radio next to obnoxious appliances in the past, and
> although I felt the damage they were doing, the radio
> didn't seem to indicate any problem.
>
> Marc
>

> that can work both ways as sometimes the radion may not be much cop, I have
> an amazing one that picks up the lot loud and proud
>
> puk
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/20/2013 3:26:53 P.M. Dateline Standard Time,  
> [hidden email] writes:
>
>
>
>
> On August 20, Patricia Robinett <_patricia@efn.org_
> (mailto:[hidden email]) > wrote:
>> marc,  when you use a radio to find dirty electricity,
>> does that measure how  far from the wall it extends?
>> thanks.
>
> I think a radio is just  an inexpensive way to get an idea
> of what problems there might be. I would  not use it
> to draw any definite conclusions. I know that I've used
> a  radio next to obnoxious appliances in the past, and
> although I felt the  damage they were doing, the radio
> didn't seem to indicate any  problem.
>
> Marc

> a good radio that essentially is bad at screening out low frequency  
> interference is the one to  go for usually only found by trial and error,  yes
> they can give you an indication of when the near field part of the emissions  
> lowers down, then you need to allow a good 2-3 times greater distance or
> avoid  the area completely.  Long before I copped onto the AM radio method I
> would  find my small sun lounge quite intolerable after say 10 mins, when I
> used a  radio here it clearly shows that my neighbour has an LVD TV the other
> side of  the wall which emits low frequency waves into the sun lounge through
> the  wall.  The radio goes ballistic with a whole range of aggressive
> growling  and wining,  Trust me you dont want to be hanging around that level of  
> LFR.
>
> PUK
>
>
> In a message dated 8/20/2013 3:17:59 P.M. Dateline Standard Time,  
> [hidden email] writes:
>
>
>
>
> marc, when you use a radio to find dirty electricity,
> does that measure  how far from the wall it extends?
> thanks.
> love, patricia
>
> On Aug  20, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Marc Martin wrote:
>
>> On August 20, Patricia  Robinett <_patricia@efn.org_
> (mailto:[hidden email]) > wrote:
>>> EMF and dirty electricity are different. you can
>>> measure EMF with  a gauss meter, and dirty electricity
>>> with a stetzer-type meter  which plugs into the circuit.
>>
>> You could probably also  measure the frequencies emitted
>> from your electrical wiring if you had  the right meter for
>> that -- like those $1000 Spectran meters that  Charles
>> mentioned...
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups  Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>  LFR.
>
> PUK
>
>
> In a message dated  8/20/2013 3:17:59 P.M. Dateline Standard Time,
> _patricia@efn.org_ (mailto:[hidden email])  writes:
>
>  
>
>
> marc, when you use a radio to find dirty  electricity,
> does that measure how far from the wall it extends?  
> thanks.
> love, patricia
>
> On Aug 20, 2013, at  10:06 PM, Marc Martin wrote:
>
>> On August 20, Patricia  Robinett <__patricia@efn.org_

> (mailto:_patricia@efn.org_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) >  wrote:
>>> EMF and dirty electricity are different. you can  
>>> measure EMF with a gauss meter, and dirty electricity  
>>> with a stetzer-type meter which plugs into the circuit.  
>>
>> You could probably also measure the frequencies  emitted
>> from your electrical wiring if you had the right meter  for
>> that -- like those $1000 Spectran meters that  Charles
>> mentioned...
>>
>> Marc
>>  
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>  
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>  
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> an amazing one that picks up the lot loud and proud
>
>  puk
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/20/2013 3:26:53  P.M. Dateline Standard Time,
> _marc@ufoseries.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])  writes:
>  
>
>
>
> On August 20, Patricia Robinett <__patricia@efn.org_

> (mailto:_patricia@efn.org_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > wrote:
>>  marc, when you use a radio to find dirty electricity,
>> does that  measure how far from the wall it extends?
>> thanks.
>  
> I think a radio is just an inexpensive way to get an idea
> of  what problems there might be. I would not use it
> to draw any definite  conclusions. I know that I've used
> a radio next to obnoxious  appliances in the past, and
> although I felt the damage they were  doing, the radio
> didn't seem to indicate any problem.
>
>  Marc

>
> Nixon,
> Have you tried measuring the laptop while using battery power only? With the power cord disconnected from the laptop and the outlet? I know that the ac/dc converters are typically the major problem.
> Al
>
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>  From: Akira <nixon_neo@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:41 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
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> the standard we measure are:
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> 1) HF (including your wifi/bluetooth)
> 2) ELF electrical field
> 3) ELF magnetic field
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> This are all present in a PC.  for example, I have all my wifi/blue tooth off and use LAN cable at home.  However there is fairly high electrical field (especially when I on my multi-monitors) and this propagate from the wiring onto the whole table (its wood!).  I can feel this potential when I touch the table or at a slight distance.
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> Its not just the HF, watch the other stuffs.  You can probably pick this up with your trifield meter.
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> Rgds.
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> --- In [hidden email], Rolf Muertter <muertter@> wrote:
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> > This is what wifi sounds like:
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> > http://www.emfields.org/detectors/audio/wifi.mp3
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> > And here are more example sound files:
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> > http://www.emfields.org/detectors/acoustimeter.asp
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> > Rolf
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> From: Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]>
>To: [hidden email]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:45:48 AM
>Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: why distance to the computer does not help?
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>so marc, is the radio measuring 'dirty electricity' -
>electricity that is escaping the wiring system in
>a building, while the other meters measure the
>workings of machines and their electrical systems? 
>that would make sense to me.  stray electricity
>would make 'static' sounds, i would think...
>an amorphous kind of 'cloud' or "smog", a 
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>the other - the EMF - in my experience - has
>more of an active, direct, piercing, stabbing,
>grabbing effect - stimulating nerves, just as it
>stimulates wifi receptors in appliances. 
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>this is what i am trying to determine.  what
>fields are we measuring and what effects,
>exactly are the fields doing to us? 
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>i think this is an important distinction.  each type
>requires its own workaround solutions.  i am
>thinking that water bottles might absorb the
>fog/smog/cloud of electricity from the wiring
>system. 
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>love, patricia
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>On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:26 PM, Marc Martin wrote:
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>> On August 20, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> marc, when you use a radio to find dirty electricity,
>>> does that measure how far from the wall it extends? 
>>> thanks.
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>> I think a radio is just an inexpensive way to get an idea
>> of what problems there might be.  I would not use it
>> to draw any definite conclusions.  I know that I've used
>> a radio next to obnoxious appliances in the past, and
>> although I felt the damage they were doing, the radio
>> didn't seem to indicate any problem.
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>> Marc
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> On August 21, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> so marc, is the radio measuring 'dirty electricity' -
>> electricity that is escaping the wiring system in
>> a building, while the other meters measure the
>> workings of machines and their electrical systems?  
>> that would make sense to me.  stray electricity
>> would make 'static' sounds, i would think...
>> an amorphous kind of 'cloud' or "smog", a  
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> An AM radio is showing you the radio frequency noise
> that is in the air, either due to noise on the power lines
> or noise generated from electronics.
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> I suppose that using the word "dirty" just confuses
> things for some people (as has been pointed out
> here in the past).
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>> the other - the EMF - in my experience - has
>> more of an active, direct, piercing, stabbing,
>> grabbing effect - stimulating nerves, just as it
>> stimulates wifi receptors in appliances.  
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> Yes, there are other forms of EMF -- lower
> frequency magnetic fields, no-frequency
> DC fields, etc. that will not register anything
> on a radio, although they may show up on
> a 50/60Hz Gauss meter.
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>> Ii am
>> thinking that water bottles might absorb the
>> fog/smog/cloud of electricity from the wiring
>> system.  
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> So far I've only seen claims that the water
> bottles work for microwaves, which are
> pretty high up on the frequency spectrum
> (and beyond the frequencies of an AM radio)
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> Marc
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