pendants and gizmos

Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to puton a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it legitimate?

Alexa

> Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than
> metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to
> put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it
> legitimate?

I have certainly felt better around EMF wearing a few of these things --
Quantum Companion, Springlife Polarizer pendant, Mega-Chi pendant, etc. The
Q-Link and Teslar watch did nothing for me though, and I'm not sure
what the other things are that you mentioned.

Marc

Alexa - remember - everyone is different and different things work for different people - The Qlink works for me and the following people have endorsed it and actually promote it to their friends.
300 PGA golfers wear one, 120 golf championships have been won with this product, and current players swear by this product.

In addition, Madonna, Demi Moore, Lindsay Lohan, Deepak Chopra, Sarah Jessica Parker, Anthony Hopkins, Dennis Hopper, Salma Hayek, Roger Daltrey (The Who), Simon Le Bon, Jimmy Page, Josh Beckett (professional baseball player), Alison Fisher (Championship pool player), Alex Shablalov (US chess champ says in his blog that it helped him win the tournament after putting it on)


The Bio pro cell phone products - well that is another story altogether. Ipersonally find it risky to believe that you can just put a piece of plastic on a cell phone and then go on using like before with it up to your headand not worry about microwave radiation entering your brain. A very famousdoctor named George Carlo who is now an expert in EHS - once promoted the product but now speaks against it as does Dr Mercola and others.  


http://bioproisascam.blogspot.com/2008/05/george-carlo-abandons-biopro.html






On 2009-11-27, at 1:51 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it legitimate?
>
> Alexa
>
>



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I am experimenting with a QLink right now. My friend says it helps her. Didsome Kinesiology using it last night & I seemed to be stronger with it. Loni

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From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] pendants and gizmos
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 11:51 PM


 



Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than metallic shielding... ) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it legitimate?

Alexa









     

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Hi Bob, Alexa ---

Hope the following is helpful. Certainly, I'd appreciate input from this group. Anyway, below are several emails to/from Sepp, who seems quite knowledgeable, and speaks about a German device I've not been able to find.

Regards -
Ken
(Emails follow)

From: Sepp Hasslberger <[hidden email]>
To: Ken Kaufman <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 11:04:39 AM
Subject: Re: Microwave "protection"???

Hi Ken,

The
device with a spiral antennna and rare earth is called RayMaster SP1. I
acquired mine several years ago but looking around the internet, all I
find is information in German. The company seems to be not very active,
and certainly they did not build up an English internet presence.

One of the few documents available in English is here:

http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:-WotezNz30gJ:www.qlinkdanmark.dk/pdf/Press%2520Information%2520RayMaster.pdf+raymaster&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=13&lr=lang_en

Kind regards
Sepp




On 08/ott/07, at 14:39, Ken Kaufman wrote:
Hi Sepp -

Thanks
very much for your response. Given the seriousness of the situation, I
would very much like to know specifics of the spiral antenna and rare
earths - are these devices commercially available, or must we assemble
our own versions?

There
are certain forms of antenna that, perhaps, have a "multi-dimensional"
quality; also, EM (effective microbes) are used in some versions of
these devices. The Japanese ceramics fused with EM have a slight
protective effect from what I've heard. Some companies such as BIOPRO
- see www.bioprotechnology.com- seem to document their claims.

Regarding testing, probably the best available is live blood microscopy,
specifically changes in red blood cells. You are quite right -
traditional testing for solutions of an unrecognized problem is not
available.

Thanks for making this information available.

Best -
Ken



----- Original Message ----
From: Sepp Hasslberger <[hidden email]>
To: Ken Kaufman <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 6:20:46 AM
Subject: Re: Microwave "protection"???

Hello Ken,

protection against microwaves is a difficult field to discuss, as there are several barriers.

Any
official testing is off, as even the dangers of microwaves are not
acknowledged. Since shielding is very difficult and would imply
limiting one's movements, the only means to protect seem active and
passive devices as you mention. These devices, as they do not shield
but at best tweak the waves to make them less damaging to the human
organism, are outside of the limits of any official tests.

Again,
other test methods that show human vitality or disturbance of metabolic
function aren't generally recognized and so it is quite difficult to
say anything valid about them.

I
personally do use a passive system (spiral antenna and rare earth) for
protection, but there is little by way of scientific studies one can
point to in order to show that this is effective. We are largely on our
own in a quest for protection, and anyone has to go through the data
that's out there to sort out what suits best.

Kind regards
Sepp




On 07/ott/07, at 16:38, Ken Kaufman wrote:

Hi Sepp ---




________________________________
From: Bob Connolly <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Fri, November 27, 2009 10:28:00 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos

Alexa - remember - everyone is different and different things work for different people - The Qlink works for me and the following people have endorsed it and actually promote it to their friends.
300 PGA golfers wear one, 120 golf championships have been won with this product, and current players swear by this product.

In addition, Madonna, Demi Moore, Lindsay Lohan, Deepak Chopra, Sarah Jessica Parker, Anthony Hopkins, Dennis Hopper, Salma Hayek, Roger Daltrey (The Who), Simon Le Bon, Jimmy Page, Josh Beckett (professional baseball player), Alison Fisher (Championship pool player), Alex Shablalov (US chess champ says in his blog that it helped him win the tournament after putting it on)


The Bio pro cell phone products - well that is another story altogether. I personally find it risky to believe that you can just put a piece of plastic on a cell phone and then go on using like before with it up to your head and not worry about microwave radiation entering your brain. A very famous doctor named George Carlo who is now an expert in EHS - once promoted the product but now speaks against it as does Dr Mercola and others.


http://bioproisascam.blogspot.com/2008/05/george-carlo-abandons-biopro.html






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> Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it legitimate?
>
> Alexa
>
>



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to all...

Marc, thanks for the list and I found an older email from you too answeringthis same question that was helpful also. I guess everyone starting out wants to know if this stuff works! You mentioned in your older mail thatyou thought the Springlife Polarizer might be the best one in terms of notoverexciting the energy field. Do you still feel that? I have tried the Teslar watch - a couple years ago not for EMF - and found it helpful but oppressive. I felt like it sealed my energy, made it feel solid and heavier around me, but over time that feeling felt less positive so I didn't wear it consistently. It did work as promised in that I could fly on airplanes and certain conditions didn't affect me like usual - normally my energy is like a weather vane blown this way and that by EMF, crazy Christmas shoppers, etc. I'd like to find a method that is shielding but not suffocating or changes how I feel so much that it seems unnatural.

Bob, so the Qlink works for you but not for Marc? So confusing! It seems like my best plan might be to find a place with a really good return policy and try these things out and just see what they do to me. I'll stay away from those cell phone dots - not using the much at all anymore anyway. And what changes do you feel when you were the Qlink?

Ken, thanks for posting your email discussion about the Ray Master. It looks like you've been asking these questions before too. Maybe someone inthe group will know?  

Loni, so it sounds like the Qlink aids you in physical strength? Is that what all those golfers are happy about as well? Do you feel there are mental effects?

Alexa

--- In [hidden email], "roxalis@..." <roxalis@...> wrote:
>
> Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it legitimate?
>
> Alexa
>

> You mentioned in your older mail that you thought the Springlife
> Polarizer might be the best one in terms of not overexciting the
> energy field. Do you still feel that?

I used to depend more on the Springlife Polarizers than I do today. I
think they worked better for me when I was using CRT (tube) computer
monitors. Now that I'm using LCD monitors, I've been using more items
from Quantum Products, as I think these work better for LCD monitors and
florescent lighting. But I also still use the Springlife Polarizers,
Personal Polarizers (which is an entirely different product line), the
MegaChi pendant, and Tachyonized products, either by themselves or in
combination. I've found that all of these help me with EMF tolerance.

But everyone responds differently to these things, and even I've
responded differently to them depending on what year it is...
(depending on what sort of EMF exposures I'm getting, my level of
health, and what supplements I may be taking)

Marc

Hi Alexa
 
I've not been on this forum much recently and have missed a lot of posts, but what is a Ray Master?
 
best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Sat, 28/11/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: pendants and gizmos
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 28 November, 2009, 0:19


 



to all...

Marc, thanks for the list and I found an older email from you too answeringthis same question that was helpful also. I guess everyone starting out wants to know if this stuff works! You mentioned in your older mail that you thought the Springlife Polarizer might be the best one in terms of not overexciting the energy field. Do you still feel that? I have tried the Teslar watch - a couple years ago not for EMF - and found it helpful but oppressive. I felt like it sealed my energy, made it feel solid and heavier around me, but over time that feeling felt less positive so I didn't wear it consistently. It did work as promised in that I could fly on airplanes and certain conditions didn't affect me like usual - normally my energy is like a weather vane blown this way and that by EMF, crazy Christmas shoppers, etc. I'd like to find a method that is shielding but not suffocating or changes how I feel so much that it seems unnatural.

Bob, so the Qlink works for you but not for Marc? So confusing! It seems like my best plan might be to find a place with a really good return policy and try these things out and just see what they do to me. I'll stay away from those cell phone dots - not using the much at all anymore anyway. And what changes do you feel when you were the Qlink?

Ken, thanks for posting your email discussion about the Ray Master. It looks like you've been asking these questions before too. Maybe someone in the group will know?

Loni, so it sounds like the Qlink aids you in physical strength? Is that what all those golfers are happy about as well? Do you feel there are mental effects?

Alexa

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "roxalis@... " <roxalis@... > wrote:
>
> Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than metallic shielding... ) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to puton a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it legitimate?
>
> Alexa
>









     

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Marc, Are you still wearing these pendants? Loni

--- On Fri, 11/27/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 12:33 AM


 



> Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than
> metallic shielding... ) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to
> put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it
> legitimate?

I have certainly felt better around EMF wearing a few of these things --
Quantum Companion, Springlife Polarizer pendant, Mega-Chi pendant, etc. The
Q-Link and Teslar watch did nothing for me though, and I'm not sure
what the other things are that you mentioned.

Marc








     

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> Marc, Are you still wearing these pendants? Loni

I don't wear any one particular thing 24 hours per day, but
I do use the Quantum Companion all day at work and sometimes
elsewhere, and I do have a Springlife Polarizer next to my
clock radio at night, and I do wear the Mega-Chi pendant
when I need some extra energy/stamina (but it also can
help with EMF). And rarely I'll use an Earthcalm resonator.

Right now I'm experimenting with a variety of stuff, seeing
if anything helps with the upgraded cable TV system.

Marc

I just got a QLink & I hope it really helps. All those celebs use one? Loni

--- On Fri, 11/27/09, Bob Connolly <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Bob Connolly <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:28 AM


Alexa - remember - everyone is different and different things work for different people - The Qlink works for me and the following people have endorsed it and actually promote it to their friends.
300 PGA golfers wear one, 120 golf championships have been won with this product, and current players swear by this product.

In addition, Madonna, Demi Moore, Lindsay Lohan, Deepak Chopra, Sarah Jessica Parker, Anthony Hopkins, Dennis Hopper, Salma Hayek, Roger Daltrey (The Who), Simon Le Bon, Jimmy Page, Josh Beckett (professional baseball player), Alison Fisher (Championship pool player), Alex Shablalov (US chess champ says in his blog that it helped him win the tournament after putting it on)


The Bio pro cell phone products  - well that is another story altogether.I personally find it risky to believe that you can just put a piece of plastic on a cell phone and then go on using like before with it up to your head and not worry about microwave radiation entering your brain. A very famous doctor named George Carlo who is now an expert in EHS - once promoted the product but now speaks against it as does Dr Mercola and others.   


http://bioproisascam.blogspot.com/2008/05/george-carlo-abandons-biopro.html






On 2009-11-27, at 1:51 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than metallic shielding...)   Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dotsto put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it legitimate?
>
> Alexa
>
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I just got the QLink Alexa so too soon to tell but my face is still burningwhile on the computer so that hasn't changed. I do seem to have a tad moreenergy but will let know after I use it for a month or so. Loni

--- On Fri, 11/27/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: pendants and gizmos
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 5:19 PM


 



to all...

Marc, thanks for the list and I found an older email from you too answeringthis same question that was helpful also. I guess everyone starting out wants to know if this stuff works! You mentioned in your older mail that you thought the Springlife Polarizer might be the best one in terms of not overexciting the energy field. Do you still feel that? I have tried the Teslar watch - a couple years ago not for EMF - and found it helpful but oppressive. I felt like it sealed my energy, made it feel solid and heavier around me, but over time that feeling felt less positive so I didn't wear it consistently. It did work as promised in that I could fly on airplanes and certain conditions didn't affect me like usual - normally my energy is like a weather vane blown this way and that by EMF, crazy Christmas shoppers, etc. I'd like to find a method that is shielding but not suffocating or changes how I feel so much that it seems unnatural.

Bob, so the Qlink works for you but not for Marc? So confusing! It seems like my best plan might be to find a place with a really good return policy and try these things out and just see what they do to me. I'll stay away from those cell phone dots - not using the much at all anymore anyway. And what changes do you feel when you were the Qlink?

Ken, thanks for posting your email discussion about the Ray Master. It looks like you've been asking these questions before too. Maybe someone in the group will know?

Loni, so it sounds like the Qlink aids you in physical strength? Is that what all those golfers are happy about as well? Do you feel there are mental effects?

Alexa

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "roxalis@... " <roxalis@... > wrote:
>
> Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than metallic shielding... ) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to puton a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it legitimate?
>
> Alexa
>









     

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Hi Loni, I've ordered a QLink too, a bracelet, so I'll report also how it goes. I was tempted by a few different options the MegaChi and the Shuzi mainly, but it encouraged me that QLink has been around a couple decades, wanted to try it first. I gave my Teslar watch another try yesterday and still found it too strong/altering for long-term use. I'm not sure what it does for EMF but it did help with me feel calm and solid. Too much so really!

About the face burning, I remember back around 1998 a man I worked with said he felt that symptom from his monitor especially if he'd just shaved. I don't think I had much e-sensitivity then, but I didn't dismiss it. I often wonder what happened with him as he was in a tech job. Is your monitor flat panel?

Alexa

--- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

> About the face burning, I remember back around 1998 a man I worked
> with said he felt that symptom from his monitor

Yes, I get face burning from computer monitors as well. The things
which help the most for me are skin lotions (I'm usually limited to the
ones that don't smell like perfume, like Shikai borage dry skin therapy
lotion), antioxidants (H-Minus/Microhydrin/ Megahydrin work well, as
does "Cataplex A" from Standard Process), and EMF protection devices
(Quantum Pro, Quantum Companion). In the past, I also recall Evening
Primrose Oil helping this, but I haven't noticed that lately, perhaps it
is redundant with the lotion I'm using.

Marc

A simple spray bottle with water helps alot also with the burning face sypmtom.

Hi Loni and Alexa
 
Please let us know how you get on with the Qlinks [didn't know they did a bracelet!] I saw an [old] article by George Carlo where he said the only things he advocated were ERT and Qlink. I have been trying to follow up the ERT bit and all I get is Biopro which is now completely discredited.
 
THanks
 
Steph

--- On Sun, 29/11/09, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 18:00


 



I just got a QLink & I hope it really helps. All those celebs use one? Loni

--- On Fri, 11/27/09, Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com> wrote:

From: Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:28 AM

Alexa - remember - everyone is different and different things work for different people - The Qlink works for me and the following people have endorsed it and actually promote it to their friends.
300 PGA golfers wear one, 120 golf championships have been won with this product, and current players swear by this product.

In addition, Madonna, Demi Moore, Lindsay Lohan, Deepak Chopra, Sarah Jessica Parker, Anthony Hopkins, Dennis Hopper, Salma Hayek, Roger Daltrey (The Who), Simon Le Bon, Jimmy Page, Josh Beckett (professional baseball player), Alison Fisher (Championship pool player), Alex Shablalov (US chess champ says in his blog that it helped him win the tournament after putting it on)

The Bio pro cell phone products  - well that is another story altogether. I personally find it risky to believe that you can just put a piece of plastic on a cell phone and then go on using like before with it up to yourhead and not worry about microwave radiation entering your brain. A very famous doctor named George Carlo who is now an expert in EHS - once promotedthe product but now speaks against it as does Dr Mercola and others.   

http://bioproisasca m.blogspot. com/2008/ 05/george- carlo-abandons- biopro.html

On 2009-11-27, at 1:51 AM, roxalis@rocketmail. com wrote:

> Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than metallic shielding... )   Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it legitimate?
>
> Alexa
>
>

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Hi Alexa, I guess my monitor is flat panel. It's a Dell & a couple of yearsold so looks flat to me. I think I'm just going to bight the bullet & order a shield for it. I think that is where most of the EMF is coming from that is burning me & making me a nervous wreck. I need to spend to much time on the computer & investment will be worth while I think. Loni
 


--- On Sun, 11/29/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: pendants and gizmos
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 9:12 PM


 



Hi Loni, I've ordered a QLink too, a bracelet, so I'll report also how it goes. I was tempted by a few different options the MegaChi and the Shuzi mainly, but it encouraged me that QLink has been around a couple decades, wanted to try it first. I gave my Teslar watch another try yesterday and still found it too strong/altering for long-term use. I'm not sure what it does for EMF but it did help with me feel calm and solid. Too much so really!

About the face burning, I remember back around 1998 a man I worked with said he felt that symptom from his monitor especially if he'd just shaved. I don't think I had much e-sensitivity then, but I didn't dismiss it. I often wonder what happened with him as he was in a tech job. Is your monitor flatpanel?

Alexa

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Thanks Marc, so the Quantum Pro helps with the monitor EMF?  I'll lookin to those items. Loni

--- On Sun, 11/29/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] burning face symptoms
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 9:44 PM


 



> About the face burning, I remember back around 1998 a man I worked
> with said he felt that symptom from his monitor

Yes, I get face burning from computer monitors as well. The things
which help the most for me are skin lotions (I'm usually limited to the
ones that don't smell like perfume, like Shikai borage dry skin therapy
lotion), antioxidants (H-Minus/Microhydri n/ Megahydrin work well, as
does "Cataplex A" from Standard Process), and EMF protection devices
(Quantum Pro, Quantum Companion). In the past, I also recall Evening
Primrose Oil helping this, but I haven't noticed that lately, perhaps it
is redundant with the lotion I'm using.

Marc








     

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Well that's good but I want to get rid of it happening in the first place. don't want to mask the symptom so to speak. Loni

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, cris_aov <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: cris_aov <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: burning face symptoms
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 2:26 AM


 



A simple spray bottle with water helps alot also with the burning face sypmtom.









     

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A lot of *ES* are only fighting thr symptoms.
They think that a few gizmo's and some pills will do the trick.

But that is not the case.
Despite of that, the sensitivity will increase.

The only solution is improving the immune system.

When you have done that, you do'nt need gizmo's anymore.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: "Loni" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] burning face symptoms


Thanks Marc, so the Quantum Pro helps with the monitor EMF? I'll look in to
those items. Loni

--- On Sun, 11/29/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] burning face symptoms
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 9:44 PM






> About the face burning, I remember back around 1998 a man I worked
> with said he felt that symptom from his monitor

Yes, I get face burning from computer monitors as well. The things
which help the most for me are skin lotions (I'm usually limited to the
ones that don't smell like perfume, like Shikai borage dry skin therapy
lotion), antioxidants (H-Minus/Microhydri n/ Megahydrin work well, as
does "Cataplex A" from Standard Process), and EMF protection devices
(Quantum Pro, Quantum Companion). In the past, I also recall Evening
Primrose Oil helping this, but I haven't noticed that lately, perhaps it
is redundant with the lotion I'm using.

Marc










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