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What do you mean about Bio Pro being discredited. My friend has a Bio Pro? LOni
--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 4:48 AM Hi Loni and Alexa Please let us know how you get on with the Qlinks [didn't know they did a bracelet!] I saw an [old] article by George Carlo where he said the only things he advocated were ERT and Qlink. I have been trying to follow up the ERT bit and all I get is Biopro which is now completely discredited. THanks Steph --- On Sun, 29/11/09, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 18:00 I just got a QLink & I hope it really helps. All those celebs use one? Loni --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com> wrote: From: Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com> Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:28 AM Alexa - remember - everyone is different and different things work for different people - The Qlink works for me and the following people have endorsed it and actually promote it to their friends. 300 PGA golfers wear one, 120 golf championships have been won with this product, and current players swear by this product. In addition, Madonna, Demi Moore, Lindsay Lohan, Deepak Chopra, Sarah Jessica Parker, Anthony Hopkins, Dennis Hopper, Salma Hayek, Roger Daltrey (The Who), Simon Le Bon, Jimmy Page, Josh Beckett (professional baseball player), Alison Fisher (Championship pool player), Alex Shablalov (US chess champ says in his blog that it helped him win the tournament after putting it on) The Bio pro cell phone products - well that is another story altogether. I personally find it risky to believe that you can just put a piece of plastic on a cell phone and then go on using like before with it up to yourhead and not worry about microwave radiation entering your brain. A very famous doctor named George Carlo who is now an expert in EHS - once promotedthe product but now speaks against it as does Dr Mercola and others. http://bioproisasca m.blogspot. com/2008/ 05/george- carlo-abandons- biopro.html On 2009-11-27, at 1:51 AM, roxalis@rocketmail. com wrote: > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than metallic shielding... ) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it legitimate? > > Alexa > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I'll give it a month & let you know about QLink. I do feel a slight difference with it. You can try it & return it if your not sure Steph. Loni
--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 4:48 AM Hi Loni and Alexa Please let us know how you get on with the Qlinks [didn't know they did a bracelet!] I saw an [old] article by George Carlo where he said the only things he advocated were ERT and Qlink. I have been trying to follow up the ERT bit and all I get is Biopro which is now completely discredited. THanks Steph --- On Sun, 29/11/09, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 18:00 I just got a QLink & I hope it really helps. All those celebs use one? Loni --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com> wrote: From: Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com> Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:28 AM Alexa - remember - everyone is different and different things work for different people - The Qlink works for me and the following people have endorsed it and actually promote it to their friends. 300 PGA golfers wear one, 120 golf championships have been won with this product, and current players swear by this product. In addition, Madonna, Demi Moore, Lindsay Lohan, Deepak Chopra, Sarah Jessica Parker, Anthony Hopkins, Dennis Hopper, Salma Hayek, Roger Daltrey (The Who), Simon Le Bon, Jimmy Page, Josh Beckett (professional baseball player), Alison Fisher (Championship pool player), Alex Shablalov (US chess champ says in his blog that it helped him win the tournament after putting it on) The Bio pro cell phone products - well that is another story altogether. I personally find it risky to believe that you can just put a piece of plastic on a cell phone and then go on using like before with it up to yourhead and not worry about microwave radiation entering your brain. A very famous doctor named George Carlo who is now an expert in EHS - once promotedthe product but now speaks against it as does Dr Mercola and others. http://bioproisasca m.blogspot. com/2008/ 05/george- carlo-abandons- biopro.html On 2009-11-27, at 1:51 AM, roxalis@rocketmail. com wrote: > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than metallic shielding... ) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it legitimate? > > Alexa > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Oh that's great to restate that Charles; very good point! that is why eliminating the gluten & dairy will be helping to build my immune system back up. I sure hope it does.
Was that your experience Charles? I think the gadgets & gizmos will help in protecting while we build that immune system however! We need to cut the exposure while trying to get stronger where we can. Loni --- On Mon, 11/30/09, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] burning face symptoms To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 11:27 AM A lot of *ES* are only fighting thr symptoms. They think that a few gizmo's and some pills will do the trick. But that is not the case. Despite of that, the sensitivity will increase. The only solution is improving the immune system. When you have done that, you do'nt need gizmo's anymore. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loni" <loni326@yahoo. com> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] burning face symptoms Thanks Marc, so the Quantum Pro helps with the monitor EMF? I'll look in to those items. Loni --- On Sun, 11/29/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote: From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] burning face symptoms To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 9:44 PM > About the face burning, I remember back around 1998 a man I worked > with said he felt that symptom from his monitor Yes, I get face burning from computer monitors as well. The things which help the most for me are skin lotions (I'm usually limited to the ones that don't smell like perfume, like Shikai borage dry skin therapy lotion), antioxidants (H-Minus/Microhydri n/ Megahydrin work well, as does "Cataplex A" from Standard Process), and EMF protection devices (Quantum Pro, Quantum Companion). In the past, I also recall Evening Primrose Oil helping this, but I haven't noticed that lately, perhaps it is redundant with the lotion I'm using. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> Thanks Marc, so the Quantum Pro helps with the monitor EMF?
The Quantum Pro is marketed as a method of treating large spaces, or smaller spaces with lots of EMF. But I've found that placing it right next to the computer monitor helps a lot with computer/monitor EMF symptoms. Marc |
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> Hi Alexa, I guess my monitor is flat panel. It's a Dell & a couple of
> years old so looks flat to me. Generally, when someone says "flat panel", they mean the monitor screen is less than a few inches deep. The older tube monitors had screens which were a couple feet deep, and these are NOT flat panels... Marc |
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Absolutely, an shield for the monitor seems the thing to do. Or dependingon your circumstances maybe just get a new LCD monitor that might be the most complete solution. I've never had the burning skin reaction but backwhen I used to work around the old style monitors the flicker really got to me though upping the refresh rate helped a lot. My friend I wrote about believed a bit of five o'clock shadow helped him with his monitor, but that doesn't help us ladies!
Alexa --- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote: > > Hi Alexa, I guess my monitor is flat panel. It's a Dell & a couple of years old so looks flat to me. I think I'm just going to bight the bullet & order a shield for it. I think that is where most of the EMF is coming from that is burning me & making me a nervous wreck. I need to spend to muchtime on the computer & investment will be worth while I think. Loni >  > > > --- On Sun, 11/29/09, roxalis@... <roxalis@...> wrote: > > > From: roxalis@... <roxalis@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: pendants and gizmos > To: [hidden email] > Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 9:12 PM > > >  > > > > Hi Loni, I've ordered a QLink too, a bracelet, so I'll report also how itgoes. I was tempted by a few different options the MegaChi and the Shuzi mainly, but it encouraged me that QLink has been around a couple decades, wanted to try it first. I gave my Teslar watch another try yesterday and still found it too strong/altering for long-term use. I'm not sure what it doesfor EMF but it did help with me feel calm and solid. Too much so really! > > About the face burning, I remember back around 1998 a man I worked with said he felt that symptom from his monitor especially if he'd just shaved. Idon't think I had much e-sensitivity then, but I didn't dismiss it. I often wonder what happened with him as he was in a tech job. Is your monitor flat panel? > > Alexa > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Loni <loni326@ > wrote: > > > > I just got the QLink Alexa so too soon to tell but my face is still burning while on the computer so that hasn't changed. I do seem to have a tad more energy but will let know after I use it for a month or so. Loni > > > > --- On Fri, 11/27/09, roxalis@ <roxalis@ > wrote: > > > > > > From: roxalis@ <roxalis@ > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: pendants and gizmos > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 5:19 PM > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > to all... > > > > Marc, thanks for the list and I found an older email from you too answering this same question that was helpful also. I guess everyone starting out wants to know if this stuff works! You mentioned in your older mail that you thought the Springlife Polarizer might be the best one in terms of not overexciting the energy field. Do you still feel that? I have tried the Teslar watch - a couple years ago not for EMF - and found it helpful but oppressive. I felt like it sealed my energy, made it feel solid and heavier around me, but over time that feeling felt less positive so I didn't wear it consistently. It did work as promised in that I could fly on airplanes and certain conditions didn't affect me like usual - normally my energy is like aweather vane blown this way and that by EMF, crazy Christmas shoppers, etc. I'd like to find a method that is shielding but not suffocating or changes how I feel so much that it seems unnatural. > > > > Bob, so the Qlink works for you but not for Marc? So confusing! It seems like my best plan might be to find a place with a really good return policy and try these things out and just see what they do to me. I'll stay awayfrom those cell phone dots - not using the much at all anymore anyway. Andwhat changes do you feel when you were the Qlink? > > > > Ken, thanks for posting your email discussion about the Ray Master. It looks like you've been asking these questions before too. Maybe someone in the group will know? > > > > Loni, so it sounds like the Qlink aids you in physical strength? Is that what all those golfers are happy about as well? Do you feel there are mental effects? > > > > Alexa > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "roxalis@ " <roxalis@ > wrote: > > > > > > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than metallic shielding... ) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots toput on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it legitimate? > > > > > > Alexa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ... [show rest of quote] |
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Stephanie - Will do! I ordered the titanium bracelet because I already have a necklace I wear all the time and it would get awkward to wear the QLinkpendant too. Titanium is supposed to have wonderful shielding and strengthening properties from the metaphysical point of view too - figured it was a two for one. Sorry to hear about the Biopro - it would be nice if it could work.
Alexa --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Hi Loni and Alexa >  > Please let us know how you get on with the Qlinks [didn't know they did abracelet!] I saw an [old] article by George Carlo where he said the only things he advocated were ERT and Qlink. I have been trying to follow up the ERT bit and all I get is Biopro which is now completely discredited. >  > THanks >  > Steph > > --- On Sun, 29/11/09, Loni <loni326@...> wrote: > > > From: Loni <loni326@...> > Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos > To: [hidden email] > Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 18:00 > > >  > > > > I just got a QLink & I hope it really helps. All those celebs use one? Loni > > --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com> wrote: > > From: Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com> > Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:28 AM > > Alexa - remember - everyone is different and different things work for different people - The Qlink works for me and the following people have endorsed it and actually promote it to their friends. > 300 PGA golfers wear one, 120 golf championships have been won with this product, and current players swear by this product. > > In addition, Madonna, Demi Moore, Lindsay Lohan, Deepak Chopra, Sarah Jessica Parker, Anthony Hopkins, Dennis Hopper, Salma Hayek, Roger Daltrey (The Who), Simon Le Bon, Jimmy Page, Josh Beckett (professional baseball player), Alison Fisher (Championship pool player), Alex Shablalov (US chess champ says in his blog that it helped him win the tournament after putting it on) > > The Bio pro cell phone products - well that is another story altogether. I personally find it risky to believe that you can just put a piece of plastic on a cell phone and then go on using like before with it up to your head and not worry about microwave radiation entering your brain. A veryfamous doctor named George Carlo who is now an expert in EHS - once promoted the product but now speaks against it as does Dr Mercola and others.   > > http://bioproisasca m.blogspot. com/2008/ 05/george- carlo-abandons- biopro.html > > On 2009-11-27, at 1:51 AM, roxalis@rocketmail. com wrote: > > > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other thanmetallic shielding... )   Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it legitimate? > > > > Alexa > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ... [show rest of quote] |
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Hi, Charles,
Yes, despite using the Q Pro, I do agree with you. We need to get metals out and improve our overall immune systems, for sure. Thanks for reminding us, Diane --- On Mon, 11/30/09, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] burning face symptoms To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 1:27 PM A lot of *ES* are only fighting thr symptoms. They think that a few gizmo's and some pills will do the trick. But that is not the case. Despite of that, the sensitivity will increase. The only solution is improving the immune system. When you have done that, you do'nt need gizmo's anymore. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loni" <loni326@yahoo. com> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] burning face symptoms Thanks Marc, so the Quantum Pro helps with the monitor EMF? I'll look in to those items. Loni --- On Sun, 11/29/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote: From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] burning face symptoms To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 9:44 PM > About the face burning, I remember back around 1998 a man I worked > with said he felt that symptom from his monitor Yes, I get face burning from computer monitors as well. The things which help the most for me are skin lotions (I'm usually limited to the ones that don't smell like perfume, like Shikai borage dry skin therapy lotion), antioxidants (H-Minus/Microhydri n/ Megahydrin work well, as does "Cataplex A" from Standard Process), and EMF protection devices (Quantum Pro, Quantum Companion). In the past, I also recall Evening Primrose Oil helping this, but I haven't noticed that lately, perhaps it is redundant with the lotion I'm using. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Ive tried the monitor shields, my exerience was that it helped a little butit wasnt enough to make a big difference in my symptoms. Since the front part has to be see-trough I dont think theres is a material that would provide enough sheilding to the front to really make am really good amount of difference.
Whats probably causing the burning face symptoms is the rf noise generated by the computer that is getting transmitted to the monitor via the metal (dvi,vga,hdmi) cable thats used to connect the computer to the monitor. I currently use a dvi fiber optic extender cable to connect my computer tomy monitor. This has reduced all my symptoms (burning,face,throat swelling,dry hands,rashes, and fatigue) by at least 60%. This eliminates any rf genereated by the computer to get transmitted to the monitor via the cable. I also use an rf filtered surge protector to connect everything to. I also use these things called ferrite torroids which I wind the usb cables of my keyboard and mouse and the power suppllies used to connect t=at the end inthe DVI fiber optic cable. It absorbs alot of the RF noise on the cables before getting to the keyboard and mouse. These reduced my symptoms an aditional 15-20% Before I used the fiber optic extender cable, I found that connecting a computer to a monitor with a VGA input was much more tolerable than using a DVI or HDMI. Ive tried a few "gizmos" Ive tried an earthcalm resonator necklace, earthcalm home protector, cone polarizer, a small disk pocket polarizer, various cell phone chips, and a home made Lakhovsky coil. from what ive tried I have noticed a difference in many situations with theearth calm necklace which I used especially with my computer. The lackhovsky coil I made also helped it gave like a general sense of well being and I felt a nice little difference when I used it with the computer. I also felt a difference with the home protector but it made me feel very uncomfortable, The other things I listed I felt nothing. I dont feel these things are anywhere near as effective as actually eliminating the problem, but they did and still help to tolerate some of my EMF symptoms especially my earth calm necklace. |
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> Before I used the fiber optic extender cable, I found that connecting a
> computer to a monitor with a VGA input was much more tolerable than using > a DVI or HDMI. I'm using triple-shielded VGA cables with ferrites on each end for my monitor cable... it sounds like you think the fiber optic DVI is even better than that? Marc |
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> I also felt a difference with the home protector but it made me
> feel very uncomfortable I don't like the Earthcalm plug-in units when used 24/7. However, I've got mine plugged into a recycle timer, so it's on about 50% of the day (on for 10 minutes / off for 10 minutes, round the clock). Also, with the timer, I can easily adjust the percentage of the time its on each day, so that it is tolerable for me. Marc |
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Marc,
Yes I do, the difference is night and day. When I was using a VGA cable thedifference was like 12-15% better at reducing my symptoms. The difference using a fiber optic extender is at least 60% better at reducing my symptoms. The two ferrites at the end of your cable reduce RF only a really tiny bit.A cable needs at least 10-20 turns of the cable on a ferrite to really reduce RF on it. |
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Marc,
Yes I do, the difference is night and day. When I was using a VGA cable thedifference was like 12-15% better at reducing my symptoms. The difference using a fiber optic extender is at least 60% better at reducing my symptoms. The two ferrites at the end of your cable reduce RF only a really tiny bit.A cable needs at least 10-20 turns of the cable on a ferrite to really reduce RF on it. -Cristian |
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Hi Alexa
I must check out the titanium bracelet. You mention another neckklace whichthe Qlink pendant would get in the way of. Is it by any chance of gold or metal? Its just I used to wear a little silver cross all the time - couldn't bear to take it of - and then after that a little gold one - I stopped wearing all metal jewelry rings watch the lot because metals on or near the body even on a belt buckle or eyeglass frames can make things worse - I cannot say for sure whether it has helped and I feel kind of "bare" without anyjewellry but you should think about this too - do a trial and see for a bit if removing metal jewellry makes a difference. best wishes Steph --- On Mon, 30/11/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: pendants and gizmos To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 19:41 Stephanie - Will do! I ordered the titanium bracelet because I already havea necklace I wear all the time and it would get awkward to wear the QLink pendant too. Titanium is supposed to have wonderful shielding and strengthening properties from the metaphysical point of view too - figured it was a two for one. Sorry to hear about the Biopro - it would be nice if it could work. Alexa --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Stephanie Smith <reader41@.. .> wrote: > > Hi Loni and Alexa >  > Please let us know how you get on with the Qlinks [didn't know they did abracelet!] I saw an [old] article by George Carlo where he said the only things he advocated were ERT and Qlink. I have been trying to follow up the ERT bit and all I get is Biopro which is now completely discredited. >  > THanks >  > Steph > > --- On Sun, 29/11/09, Loni <loni326@... > wrote: > > > From: Loni <loni326@... > > Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 18:00 > > >  > > > > I just got a QLink & I hope it really helps. All those celebs use one? Loni > > --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com> wrote: > > From: Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com> > Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:28 AM > > Alexa - remember - everyone is different and different things work for different people - The Qlink works for me and the following people have endorsed it and actually promote it to their friends. > 300 PGA golfers wear one, 120 golf championships have been won with this product, and current players swear by this product. > > In addition, Madonna, Demi Moore, Lindsay Lohan, Deepak Chopra, Sarah Jessica Parker, Anthony Hopkins, Dennis Hopper, Salma Hayek, Roger Daltrey (The Who), Simon Le Bon, Jimmy Page, Josh Beckett (professional baseball player), Alison Fisher (Championship pool player), Alex Shablalov (US chess champ says in his blog that it helped him win the tournament after putting it on) > > The Bio pro cell phone products - well that is another story altogether. I personally find it risky to believe that you can just put a piece of plastic on a cell phone and then go on using like before with it upto your head and not worry about microwave radiation entering your brain. A very famous doctor named George Carlo who is now an expert in EHS - once promoted the product but now speaks against it as does Dr Mercola and others.   > > http://bioproisasca m.blogspot. com/2008/ 05/george- carlo-abandons- biopro.html > > On 2009-11-27, at 1:51 AM, roxalis@rocketmail. com wrote: > > > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other thanmetallic shielding... )   Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to put on a cell phone, things that claim tocancel fields....any of it legitimate? > > > > Alexa > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ... [show rest of quote] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Christian
Can you tell us how you made your home made Lakhovsky coil and where best to site it for best results? Could anyone do this or do you need engineeringskills? Thanks Steph --- On Mon, 30/11/09, cris_aov <[hidden email]> wrote: From: cris_aov <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: pendants and gizmos To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 22:56 Ive tried the monitor shields, my exerience was that it helped a little butit wasnt enough to make a big difference in my symptoms. Since the front part has to be see-trough I dont think theres is a material that would provide enough sheilding to the front to really make am really good amount of difference. Whats probably causing the burning face symptoms is the rf noise generated by the computer that is getting transmitted to the monitor via the metal (dvi,vga,hdmi) cable thats used to connect the computer to the monitor. I currently use a dvi fiber optic extender cable to connect my computer to my monitor. This has reduced all my symptoms (burning,face, throat swelling,dry hands,rashes, and fatigue) by at least 60%. This eliminates any rf genereated by the computer to get transmitted to the monitor via the cable. I also use an rf filtered surge protector to connect everything to. I also use these things called ferrite torroids which I wind the usb cables of my keyboard and mouse and the power suppllies used to connect t=at the end inthe DVI fiber optic cable. It absorbs alot of the RF noise on the cables before getting to the keyboard and mouse. These reduced my symptoms an aditional 15-20% Before I used the fiber optic extender cable, I found that connecting a computer to a monitor with a VGA input was much more tolerable than using a DVI or HDMI. Ive tried a few "gizmos" Ive tried an earthcalm resonator necklace, earthcalm home protector, cone polarizer, a small disk pocket polarizer, various cell phone chips, and a home made Lakhovsky coil. from what ive tried I have noticed a difference in many situations with theearth calm necklace which I used especially with my computer. The lackhovsky coil I made also helped it gave like a general sense of well being and Ifelt a nice little difference when I used it with the computer. I also felt a difference with the home protector but it made me feel very uncomfortable, The other things I listed I felt nothing. I dont feel these things are anywhere near as effective as actually eliminating the problem, but they did and still help to tolerate some of my EMF symptoms especially my earth calm necklace. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Let's please all agree about one thing:
There is no change to the electromagnetic field that is measurable when using these devices. No change in strength, nor frequency, nor waveform, nor anything else. All claims that they do something electromagnetically are without basis. After all, if you cannot demonstrate an electromagnetic difference, how can you say that one exists? Now, if these devices are doing something biologically, I couldn't say. People seem to like them. But that doesn't mean that they are doing something to the ambient EMF. Emil ----- Original Message ----- From: <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 1:51 AM Subject: [eSens] pendants and gizmos > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than > metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to > put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it > legitimate? > > Alexa > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ... [show rest of quote] |
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> There is no change to the electromagnetic field that is measurable when
> using these devices. > No change in strength, nor frequency, nor waveform, nor anything else. > All claims that they do something electromagnetically are without basis. I've seen studies that demonstrate differences in signal-to-noise ratio when using items from Quantum Products, so it appears that these do something measurable, but I agree, most of the items you wear on your person seem to work biologically, increasing your resistance to EMF, not changing the EMF itself. Marc |
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Emil - Yes - I agree measuring them on a meter is hard to do.
OK - lets step out from the traditional science and go into the realms of the etheric body known to some as the human aura which is said to be an electrical field. Dr. Thelma Moss filmed the etheric (aura?) energy that emanates from a human body and she could influence the field using the (etheric) energy that emanates from a persons hand. Healers seem to show a much greater field and when touched by the healer - the patients field would grow. But she could not measure the etheric energy using devises that measure the magnetic field- but she could photograph and film it. I believe there is a frequency/electrical relationship of the cells of the human body that can be filmed but not measured on a traditional gauss meter or a scope. You can see a change in the human energy field on a live kirlian plate. Measuring these colours and analysing them is an evolving science. Now - I have seen before and after shots of people that wear these devises. Amazing... For some amazing pictures of the fields that are emanating from the human body - visit the website below. http://www.fullspectrum.org.uk The area where the shields are placed is usually over the heart. There is avery high body voltage in this area because it is where the heart is pumping away - contracting by muscles stimulated by an electric field produced by the human body. Now - lets get even stranger. Edgar Cayce - the worlds most well known psychic said that gem stones couldeffect the etheric field of the human body. The atomic structure of the stone could influence the electrical properties of the cell. The Gold crownsworn by the kings and pharaohs had Gem stones in them - and Cayce said that the combination of the stone and the Gold and silver could have an effecton the human body. Silver will kill a virus. The vibrational atomic frequency of the silver metal will kill germs. Clothes made of silver will control body odor. The atomic structure and resonating frequency of the metal and gemstone does influence the body. But - it can't be measured by traditional meters yet. So, I believe that there is something to this stuff - we can't measure it yet - but does have an effect on the body. AND A coil of wire can do some amazing things with magnetic fields. The tesla coil - The Q-Link is a coil of wire embeded in a patented mixture of powdered stone. And - The Bio Shield - a coil of wire in a ferrite core. http://www.biotronix.net/pdv001/index.htm On 2009-12-01, at 11:20 AM, lessemf.com wrote: > Let's please all agree about one thing: > There is no change to the electromagnetic field that is measurable when > using these devices. > No change in strength, nor frequency, nor waveform, nor anything else. > All claims that they do something electromagnetically are without basis. > After all, if you cannot demonstrate an electromagnetic difference, how can > you say that one exists? > > Now, if these devices are doing something biologically, I couldn't say. > People seem to like them. But that doesn't mean that they are doing > something to the ambient EMF. > > Emil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 1:51 AM > Subject: [eSens] pendants and gizmos > > > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than > > metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to > > put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it > > legitimate? > > > > Alexa > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > ... [show rest of quote] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> The two ferrites at the end of your cable reduce RF only a really tiny
> bit. A cable needs at least 10-20 turns of the cable on a ferrite to > really reduce RF on it. Do you have any specific recommendations (maybe an Internet link?) for a ferrite that can accommodate 10-20 turns of a USB cable? I own a few ferrites, but the hole is only large enough for a cable to pass through it a couple times (and frankly, I didn't like how it felt using the ferrite this way) Thanks! Marc |
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Hi Steph, thanks for the suggestion - I had never thought of metal jewelry being an issue but I guess if people have metal fillings removed then metaljewelry could matter too. I wear my jewelry most of the time and am quite attached to it though! Still I may set up my own little science experiment to see - always worth testing things. Aren't you concerned about the titanium in the bracelet? That is metal for sure..but then the Qlink itselfhas metal in it also. I guess the best answer is to keep on trying and testing every option, eh?
Thanks, Alexa --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Hi Alexa > Â > I must check out the titanium bracelet. You mention another neckklace which the Qlink pendant would get in the way of. Is it by any chance of gold or metal? Its just I used to wear a little silver cross all the time - couldn't bear to take it of - and then after that a little gold one - I stopped wearing all metal jewelry rings watch the lot because metals on or near thebody even on a belt buckle or eyeglass frames can make things worse - I cannot say for sure whether it has helped and I feel kind of "bare" without any jewellry but you should think about this too - do a trial and see for a bit if removing metal jewellry makes a difference. > Â > best wishes > Â > Steph > > --- On Mon, 30/11/09, roxalis@... <roxalis@...> wrote: > > > From: roxalis@... <roxalis@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: pendants and gizmos > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 19:41 > > > Â > > > > Stephanie - Will do! I ordered the titanium bracelet because I already have a necklace I wear all the time and it would get awkward to wear the QLink pendant too. Titanium is supposed to have wonderful shielding and strengthening properties from the metaphysical point of view too - figured it was a two for one. Sorry to hear about the Biopro - it would be nice if it could work. > > Alexa > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ .> wrote: > > > > Hi Loni and Alexa > > ÃÂ > > Please let us know how you get on with the Qlinks [didn't know they dida bracelet!] I saw an [old] article by George Carlo where he said the onlythings he advocated were ERT and Qlink. I have been trying to follow up the ERT bit and all I get is Biopro which is now completely discredited. > > ÃÂ > > THanks > > ÃÂ > > Steph > > > > --- On Sun, 29/11/09, Loni <loni326@ > wrote: > > > > > > From: Loni <loni326@ > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 18:00 > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > I just got a QLink & I hope it really helps. All those celebs use one? Loni > > > > --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com> wrote: > > > > From: Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:28 AM > > > > Alexa - remember - everyone is different and different things work for different people - The Qlink works for me and the following people have endorsed it and actually promote it to their friends. > > 300 PGA golfers wear one, 120 golf championships have been won with this product, and current players swear by this product. > > > > In addition, Madonna, Demi Moore, Lindsay Lohan, Deepak Chopra, Sarah Jessica Parker, Anthony Hopkins, Dennis Hopper, Salma Hayek, Roger Daltrey (The Who), Simon Le Bon, Jimmy Page, Josh Beckett (professional baseball player), Alison Fisher (Championship pool player), Alex Shablalov (US chess champ says in his blog that it helped him win the tournament after putting iton) > > > > The Bio pro cell phone productsÃÂ - well that is another story altogether. I personally find it risky to believe that you can just put apiece of plastic on a cell phone and then go on using like before with it up to your head and not worry about microwave radiation entering your brain. A very famous doctor named George Carlo who is now an expert in EHS - once promoted the product but now speaks against it as does Dr Mercola and others.ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ > > > > http://bioproisasca m.blogspot. com/2008/ 05/george- carlo-abandons- biopro.html > > > > On 2009-11-27, at 1:51 AM, roxalis@rocketmail. com wrote: > > > > > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than metallic shielding... )ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it legitimate? > > > > > > Alexa > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ... [show rest of quote] |
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