pendants and gizmos

>
> Let's please all agree about one thing:
> There is no change to the electromagnetic field that is measurable when
> using these devices.
> No change in strength, nor frequency, nor waveform, nor anything else.
> All claims that they do something electromagnetically are without basis.
> After all, if you cannot demonstrate an electromagnetic difference, how can
> you say that one exists?
>
> Now, if these devices are doing something biologically, I couldn't say.
> People seem to like them. But that doesn't mean that they are doing
> something to the ambient EMF.
>
> Emil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <roxalis@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 1:51 AM
> Subject: [eSens] pendants and gizmos
>
>
> > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than
> > metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to
> > put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it
> > legitimate?
> >
> > Alexa
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

> Charles, when you write 'improving the immune system', do you then mean
> improving general health, or do you consider electrical sensitivity to be
> caused by a chronic infection?
>
> Thanks,
> John.
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
>> A lot of *ES* are only fighting thr symptoms.
>> They think that a few gizmo's and some pills will do the trick.
>>
>> But that is not the case.
>> Despite of that, the sensitivity will increase.
>>
>> The only solution is improving the immune system.
>>
>> When you have done that, you do'nt need gizmo's anymore.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

>
> I mean improving general health.
>
> The immune system can be damaged by a number of very different reasons.
> Even at starting from birth, a shortage of certain salts may be the case.
>
> Many people do reason that htey do eat biologically, do not smoke, do sport,
> etc. but that is by far not enough.
>
> The body may have certain shortages, and an overload on poisons and heavy
> metals.
> Certain medical operations, drugs, contrast liquid, rests of Eppstein Barr
> virus or other virusses do attack the immune system.
> People over 40 years do reflect whta they have achieved in life, and are now
> confronted with uncoped youth trauma's.
>
> Remember, that everything you eat, drink and breath conatins heavy metals.
>
> One has to see that one gets rid of all this stuff.
>
> In the past ten years, I have encountered quite a number of
> electrosensitives, but not one person did have an undamaged immune system.
>
> If one succeeds by cleaning the body, the electrosensitivity will go away.
> One has to use Rife Frequency Therapy, detox by ionic foot spa's, certain
> clays, certain Schuessler salts, dr. Mercola's immune booster capsules,
> liver cleansing according to Hulda Clark, etc.
>
> Gizmo's can help, but are second place; healing or curing the body is first
> place.
> That way, you do not feel any elektrosmog anymore!
> As I have proved.
>
> Electrosensitivity is just a disease, with horrible effects, but which can
> be cured completely.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "johnottawa80" <johnottawa80@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:57 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Immune system (was:Re: burning face symptoms)
>
>
> > Charles, when you write 'improving the immune system', do you then mean
> > improving general health, or do you consider electrical sensitivity to be
> > caused by a chronic infection?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John.
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >
> >> A lot of *ES* are only fighting thr symptoms.
> >> They think that a few gizmo's and some pills will do the trick.
> >>
> >> But that is not the case.
> >> Despite of that, the sensitivity will increase.
> >>
> >> The only solution is improving the immune system.
> >>
> >> When you have done that, you do'nt need gizmo's anymore.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

> Hi Charles,
> and thanks for the clarification.
> You mention some things regarding cleansing the body and rebuilding the
> immune system.
> It would be interesting to get some info on the things you mention.
>
> In particular
> a)What kind of Rife Therapy System/machine do you suggest?
> b)Do you have a preferance for which clay to use, and is it internal or
> external use, or both?
> c)Are there spesific Schussler salts a person with electrical sensitivity
> should use, or would this have to be tested individually or determined by
> the individual's symptoms?
> (I know that there are a couple one's for the nervous system, which I
> would imagine perhaps a person with eSens would benefit from, like Mag.
> Phos.)
> d)Do you have a link to a web-page for dr. Mercola's immune booster
> capsules?
>
> Thanks again,
> John.
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>>
>> I mean improving general health.
>>
>> The immune system can be damaged by a number of very different reasons.
>> Even at starting from birth, a shortage of certain salts may be the case.
>>
>> Many people do reason that htey do eat biologically, do not smoke, do
>> sport,
>> etc. but that is by far not enough.
>>
>> The body may have certain shortages, and an overload on poisons and heavy
>> metals.
>> Certain medical operations, drugs, contrast liquid, rests of Eppstein
>> Barr
>> virus or other virusses do attack the immune system.
>> People over 40 years do reflect whta they have achieved in life, and are
>> now
>> confronted with uncoped youth trauma's.
>>
>> Remember, that everything you eat, drink and breath conatins heavy
>> metals.
>>
>> One has to see that one gets rid of all this stuff.
>>
>> In the past ten years, I have encountered quite a number of
>> electrosensitives, but not one person did have an undamaged immune
>> system.
>>
>> If one succeeds by cleaning the body, the electrosensitivity will go
>> away.
>> One has to use Rife Frequency Therapy, detox by ionic foot spa's, certain
>> clays, certain Schuessler salts, dr. Mercola's immune booster capsules,
>> liver cleansing according to Hulda Clark, etc.
>>
>> Gizmo's can help, but are second place; healing or curing the body is
>> first
>> place.
>> That way, you do not feel any elektrosmog anymore!
>> As I have proved.
>>
>> Electrosensitivity is just a disease, with horrible effects, but which
>> can
>> be cured completely.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Norton
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "johnottawa80" <johnottawa80@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:57 AM
>> Subject: [eSens] Immune system (was:Re: burning face symptoms)
>>
>>
>> > Charles, when you write 'improving the immune system', do you then mean
>> > improving general health, or do you consider electrical sensitivity to
>> > be
>> > caused by a chronic infection?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > John.
>> >
>> > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
>> >
>> >> A lot of *ES* are only fighting thr symptoms.
>> >> They think that a few gizmo's and some pills will do the trick.
>> >>
>> >> But that is not the case.
>> >> Despite of that, the sensitivity will increase.
>> >>
>> >> The only solution is improving the immune system.
>> >>
>> >> When you have done that, you do'nt need gizmo's anymore.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

> Hi Emil, I'm curious of what you make of this:
>
> Alternative Medicine Magazine recently conducted a test looking at the
> benefits of wearing a personal EMF protection device. Here's an excerpt:
>
> We also used the heart-rate variability test in our informal trials. HRV
> is the measurement, in milliseconds, of the beat-to-beat changes in a
> subject's heart rate, and it gives a dynamic glimpse of the state of the
> autonomic nervous system. This system controls the beating of the heart,
> the movement of the gastrointestinal tract and the secretion of hormones
> by the endocrine glands, among other vital functions. Variation of the
> intervals between heartbeats is due to the interaction of the two arms of
> the autonomous nervous system: the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous
> systems. The parasympathetic system slows the heart, while the sympathetic
> system accelerates it. Thus, an HRV test is a good measurement of a body's
> overall response to stimuli. HRV is well-established, and it has been used
> for many years by cardiologists, gastroenterologists, endocrinologists and
> even psychologists.
>
> For our tests we enlisted the services of I. Michael Borkin, N.D., of
> Santa Monica, Calif. Borkin is a naturopath, and he frequently uses HRV to
> assess the condition of his patients.
>
> We hooked up our subject to the HRV monitor and took a baseline reading of
> her HRV. She was in a healthy state, with her sympathetic and
> parasympathetic systems stable and within normal parameters.
>
> Next we had the subject answer her cell phone, a Nokia 8160. Her
> sympathetic nervous system went into "fight or flight mode, producing the
> stimulating hormones cortisol and adrenaline and accelerating her heart
> rate.
>
> After an interval, we had the subject answer her cell phone again, this
> time while wearing the BioElectric Shield. The HRV monitor showed that her
> autonomous nervous system remained stable, with no change in her heart
> rhythms.
>
> After a rest period we had our subject wear a Teslar Watch and answer her
> cell phone. Again, her nervous system remained stable.
>
> To make sure our subject had not simply stopped responding to the energy
> emitted by the phone, we again had her answer wearing no device. Her
> autonomic nervous system responded violently again.
>
> Finally, we tested the QLink, which, like the previous two devices, showed
> a significant protective effect.
>
> Admittedly, ours was just one test, and we cannot discount a possible
> placebo effect. Still, the results were impressive. Concluded Borkin: "My
> personal research has revealed that exposure to a cell phone may cause an
> increase in sympathetic activity and induce the fight-or-flight response.
> Further study has also shown that the use of certain devices designed to
> reduce this exposure may in fact compensate for some of the negative
> impact of using a cell phone. Our informal study demonstrates that these
> anti-EMF devices deserve further study.
>
> We are fully committed to further research into the TESLAR technology's
> benefits and so we are currently engaged in the process of gathering more
> research with the assistance of the American Academy of Anti-Aging
> Medicine (A4M).
>
> http://www.toolsforwellness.com/teslar.html
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "lessemf.com" <lessemf@...> wrote:
>>
>> Let's please all agree about one thing:
>> There is no change to the electromagnetic field that is measurable when
>> using these devices.
>> No change in strength, nor frequency, nor waveform, nor anything else.
>> All claims that they do something electromagnetically are without basis.
>> After all, if you cannot demonstrate an electromagnetic difference, how
>> can
>> you say that one exists?
>>
>> Now, if these devices are doing something biologically, I couldn't say.
>> People seem to like them. But that doesn't mean that they are doing
>> something to the ambient EMF.
>>
>> Emil
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <roxalis@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 1:51 AM
>> Subject: [eSens] pendants and gizmos
>>
>>
>> > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other
>> > than
>> > metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots
>> > to
>> > put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it
>> > legitimate?
>> >
>> > Alexa
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

> My position is exactly the same.
> If you measure biological reactions, you can claim biological effects.
> You cannot claim electromagnetic effects by measuring biological
> reactions.
>
> There are many reasons why you might have biological effects. Why single
> out
> electromagnetic effects as the cause, especially when you have no
> objective
> evidence to support it? Why not point as some other possibility that has
> equally low support?
>
> I understand that you could have a hypothesis that there is some as yet
> un-measureable electromagnetic effect. But at least be honest and admit
> that
> it is only a theory.
>
> Emil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:26 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: pendants and gizmos
>
>
>> Hi Emil, I'm curious of what you make of this:
>>
>> Alternative Medicine Magazine recently conducted a test looking at the
>> benefits of wearing a personal EMF protection device. Here's an excerpt:
>>
>> We also used the heart-rate variability test in our informal trials. HRV
>> is the measurement, in milliseconds, of the beat-to-beat changes in a
>> subject's heart rate, and it gives a dynamic glimpse of the state of the
>> autonomic nervous system. This system controls the beating of the heart,
>> the movement of the gastrointestinal tract and the secretion of hormones
>> by the endocrine glands, among other vital functions. Variation of the
>> intervals between heartbeats is due to the interaction of the two arms of
>> the autonomous nervous system: the sympathetic and parasympathetic
>> nervous
>> systems. The parasympathetic system slows the heart, while the
>> sympathetic
>> system accelerates it. Thus, an HRV test is a good measurement of a
>> body's
>> overall response to stimuli. HRV is well-established, and it has been
>> used
>> for many years by cardiologists, gastroenterologists, endocrinologists
>> and
>> even psychologists.
>>
>> For our tests we enlisted the services of I. Michael Borkin, N.D., of
>> Santa Monica, Calif. Borkin is a naturopath, and he frequently uses HRV
>> to
>> assess the condition of his patients.
>>
>> We hooked up our subject to the HRV monitor and took a baseline reading
>> of
>> her HRV. She was in a healthy state, with her sympathetic and
>> parasympathetic systems stable and within normal parameters.
>>
>> Next we had the subject answer her cell phone, a Nokia 8160. Her
>> sympathetic nervous system went into "fight or flight mode, producing the
>> stimulating hormones cortisol and adrenaline and accelerating her heart
>> rate.
>>
>> After an interval, we had the subject answer her cell phone again, this
>> time while wearing the BioElectric Shield. The HRV monitor showed that
>> her
>> autonomous nervous system remained stable, with no change in her heart
>> rhythms.
>>
>> After a rest period we had our subject wear a Teslar Watch and answer her
>> cell phone. Again, her nervous system remained stable.
>>
>> To make sure our subject had not simply stopped responding to the energy
>> emitted by the phone, we again had her answer wearing no device. Her
>> autonomic nervous system responded violently again.
>>
>> Finally, we tested the QLink, which, like the previous two devices,
>> showed
>> a significant protective effect.
>>
>> Admittedly, ours was just one test, and we cannot discount a possible
>> placebo effect. Still, the results were impressive. Concluded Borkin: "My
>> personal research has revealed that exposure to a cell phone may cause an
>> increase in sympathetic activity and induce the fight-or-flight response.
>> Further study has also shown that the use of certain devices designed to
>> reduce this exposure may in fact compensate for some of the negative
>> impact of using a cell phone. Our informal study demonstrates that these
>> anti-EMF devices deserve further study.
>>
>> We are fully committed to further research into the TESLAR technology's
>> benefits and so we are currently engaged in the process of gathering more
>> research with the assistance of the American Academy of Anti-Aging
>> Medicine (A4M).
>>
>> http://www.toolsforwellness.com/teslar.html
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In [hidden email], "lessemf.com" <lessemf@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Let's please all agree about one thing:
>>> There is no change to the electromagnetic field that is measurable when
>>> using these devices.
>>> No change in strength, nor frequency, nor waveform, nor anything else.
>>> All claims that they do something electromagnetically are without basis.
>>> After all, if you cannot demonstrate an electromagnetic difference, how
>>> can
>>> you say that one exists?
>>>
>>> Now, if these devices are doing something biologically, I couldn't say.
>>> People seem to like them. But that doesn't mean that they are doing
>>> something to the ambient EMF.
>>>
>>> Emil
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <roxalis@...>
>>> To: <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 1:51 AM
>>> Subject: [eSens] pendants and gizmos
>>>
>>>
>>> > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other
>>> > than
>>> > metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots
>>> > to
>>> > put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it
>>> > legitimate?
>>> >
>>> > Alexa
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

>
> It is quite simple.
>
> Regarding the EMF fields, no change can be measured, no matter what
> everybody claims.
>
> On the other hand, biological influence can be measured directly on persons,
> as I did publish in the latest isuue of *het bitje*.
> But thus biological effects must be measured especially.
>
> What gizmo's do, is changing the body's perception of cosmic rays, which are
> disturbed by the man made elektrosmog.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lessemf.com" <lessemf@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: pendants and gizmos
>
>
> > My position is exactly the same.
> > If you measure biological reactions, you can claim biological effects.
> > You cannot claim electromagnetic effects by measuring biological
> > reactions.
> >
> > There are many reasons why you might have biological effects. Why single
> > out
> > electromagnetic effects as the cause, especially when you have no
> > objective
> > evidence to support it? Why not point as some other possibility that has
> > equally low support?
> >
> > I understand that you could have a hypothesis that there is some as yet
> > un-measureable electromagnetic effect. But at least be honest and admit
> > that
> > it is only a theory.
> >
> > Emil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <roxalis@...>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:26 AM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: pendants and gizmos
> >
> >
> >> Hi Emil, I'm curious of what you make of this:
> >>
> >> Alternative Medicine Magazine recently conducted a test looking at the
> >> benefits of wearing a personal EMF protection device. Here's an excerpt:
> >>
> >> We also used the heart-rate variability test in our informal trials. HRV
> >> is the measurement, in milliseconds, of the beat-to-beat changes in a
> >> subject's heart rate, and it gives a dynamic glimpse of the state of the
> >> autonomic nervous system. This system controls the beating of the heart,
> >> the movement of the gastrointestinal tract and the secretion of hormones
> >> by the endocrine glands, among other vital functions. Variation of the
> >> intervals between heartbeats is due to the interaction of the two armsof
> >> the autonomous nervous system: the sympathetic and parasympathetic
> >> nervous
> >> systems. The parasympathetic system slows the heart, while the
> >> sympathetic
> >> system accelerates it. Thus, an HRV test is a good measurement of a
> >> body's
> >> overall response to stimuli. HRV is well-established, and it has been
> >> used
> >> for many years by cardiologists, gastroenterologists, endocrinologists
> >> and
> >> even psychologists.
> >>
> >> For our tests we enlisted the services of I. Michael Borkin, N.D., of
> >> Santa Monica, Calif. Borkin is a naturopath, and he frequently uses HRV
> >> to
> >> assess the condition of his patients.
> >>
> >> We hooked up our subject to the HRV monitor and took a baseline reading
> >> of
> >> her HRV. She was in a healthy state, with her sympathetic and
> >> parasympathetic systems stable and within normal parameters.
> >>
> >> Next we had the subject answer her cell phone, a Nokia 8160. Her
> >> sympathetic nervous system went into "fight or flight mode, producing the
> >> stimulating hormones cortisol and adrenaline and accelerating her heart
> >> rate.
> >>
> >> After an interval, we had the subject answer her cell phone again, this
> >> time while wearing the BioElectric Shield. The HRV monitor showed that
> >> her
> >> autonomous nervous system remained stable, with no change in her heart
> >> rhythms.
> >>
> >> After a rest period we had our subject wear a Teslar Watch and answer her
> >> cell phone. Again, her nervous system remained stable.
> >>
> >> To make sure our subject had not simply stopped responding to the energy
> >> emitted by the phone, we again had her answer wearing no device. Her
> >> autonomic nervous system responded violently again.
> >>
> >> Finally, we tested the QLink, which, like the previous two devices,
> >> showed
> >> a significant protective effect.
> >>
> >> Admittedly, ours was just one test, and we cannot discount a possible
> >> placebo effect. Still, the results were impressive. Concluded Borkin: "My
> >> personal research has revealed that exposure to a cell phone may causean
> >> increase in sympathetic activity and induce the fight-or-flight response.
> >> Further study has also shown that the use of certain devices designed to
> >> reduce this exposure may in fact compensate for some of the negative
> >> impact of using a cell phone. Our informal study demonstrates that these
> >> anti-EMF devices deserve further study.
> >>
> >> We are fully committed to further research into the TESLAR technology's
> >> benefits and so we are currently engaged in the process of gathering more
> >> research with the assistance of the American Academy of Anti-Aging
> >> Medicine (A4M).
> >>
> >> http://www.toolsforwellness.com/teslar.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In [hidden email], "lessemf.com" <lessemf@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Let's please all agree about one thing:
> >>> There is no change to the electromagnetic field that is measurable when
> >>> using these devices.
> >>> No change in strength, nor frequency, nor waveform, nor anything else.
> >>> All claims that they do something electromagnetically are without basis.
> >>> After all, if you cannot demonstrate an electromagnetic difference, how
> >>> can
> >>> you say that one exists?
> >>>
> >>> Now, if these devices are doing something biologically, I couldn't say.
> >>> People seem to like them. But that doesn't mean that they are doing
> >>> something to the ambient EMF.
> >>>
> >>> Emil
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: <roxalis@>
> >>> To: <[hidden email]>
> >>> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 1:51 AM
> >>> Subject: [eSens] pendants and gizmos
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other
> >>> > than
> >>> > metallic shielding...) Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots
> >>> > to
> >>> > put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of it
> >>> > legitimate?
> >>> >
> >>> > Alexa
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > ------------------------------------
> >>> >
> >>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> Hi Alexa
>  
> I must check out the titanium bracelet. You mention another neckklace which the Qlink pendant would get in the way of. Is it by any chance of gold or metal? Its just I used to wear a little silver cross all the time - couldn't bear to take it of - and then after that a little gold one - I stopped wearing all metal jewelry rings watch the lot because metals on or near thebody even on a belt buckle or eyeglass frames can make things worse - I cannot say for sure whether it has helped and I feel kind of "bare" without any jewellry but you should think about this too - do a trial and see for a bit if removing metal jewellry makes a difference.
>  
> best wishes
>  
> Steph
>
> --- On Mon, 30/11/09, roxalis@... <roxalis@... > wrote:
>
>
> From: roxalis@... <roxalis@... >
> Subject: [eSens] Re: pendants and gizmos
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 19:41
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Stephanie - Will do! I ordered the titanium bracelet because I already have a necklace I wear all the time and it would get awkward to wear the QLink pendant too. Titanium is supposed to have wonderful shielding and strengthening properties from the metaphysical point of view too - figured it was a two for one. Sorry to hear about the Biopro - it would be nice if it could work.
>
> Alexa
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Loni and Alexa
> >  
> > Please let us know how you get on with the Qlinks [didn't know they dida bracelet!] I saw an [old] article by George Carlo where he said the onlythings he advocated were ERT and Qlink. I have been trying to follow up the ERT bit and all I get is Biopro which is now completely discredited.
> >  
> > THanks
> >  
> > Steph
> >
> > --- On Sun, 29/11/09, Loni <loni326@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Loni <loni326@ >
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Sunday, 29 November, 2009, 18:00
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > I just got a QLink & I hope it really helps. All those celebs use one? Loni
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Bob Connolly <robert_connolly@ rogers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] pendants and gizmos
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:28 AM
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> > Alexa - remember - everyone is different and different things work for different people - The Qlink works for me and the following people have endorsed it and actually promote it to their friends.
> > 300 PGA golfers wear one, 120 golf championships have been won with this product, and current players swear by this product.
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> > In addition, Madonna, Demi Moore, Lindsay Lohan, Deepak Chopra, Sarah Jessica Parker, Anthony Hopkins, Dennis Hopper, Salma Hayek, Roger Daltrey (The Who), Simon Le Bon, Jimmy Page, Josh Beckett (professional baseball player), Alison Fisher (Championship pool player), Alex Shablalov (US chess champ says in his blog that it helped him win the tournament after putting iton)
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> > The Bio pro cell phone products  - well that is another story altogether. I personally find it risky to believe that youcan just put a piece of plastic on a cell phone and then go on using like before with it up to your head and not worry about microwave radiation entering your brain. A very famous doctor named George Carlo who is now an expert in EHS - once promoted the product but now speaks against it as does Dr Mercola and others.   
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> > http://bioproisasca m.blogspot. com/2008/ 05/george- carlo-abandons- biopro.html
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> > On 2009-11-27, at 1:51 AM, roxalis@rocketmail. com wrote:
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> > > Does anything one can wear block or counteract EMF effects? (Other than metallic shielding... )   Qlink, Teslar, Bioshield, Shuzi, strange dots to put on a cell phone, things that claim to cancel fields....any of itlegitimate?
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:57 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Immune system (was:Re: burning face symptoms)
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> > Charles, when you write 'improving the immune system', do you then mean
> > improving general health, or do you consider electrical sensitivity to be
> > caused by a chronic infection?
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> > Thanks,
> > John.
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