jobs anybody?

Hi, the newbie has a starter question.  What jobs do you all have?  I just lost my last job due to eletrosensitivity (RFID both general and with these nasty scan guns) and the job I had before that to a chemical reaction.  So, in the past couple of months I've been job hunting and quickly discovering that there are plenty of jobs to be had out there if you can tolerate excessive light, harsh chemicals and wifi.  Beyond those criteria the pickings start getting pretty darn slim and nobody has health insurance (which I desperately need).  So...what do you all do?

> So...what do you all do?

Heh, heh... nobody here would want my job -- software developer...
of course, I've mostly got my ES under control these days.  Back
when I was at my worst, I couldn't stand being at my desk
for more than 30 minutes...

Marc

Good question
Can't wait to read suggestions

Kooky

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      Hi, the newbie has a starter question.  What jobs do you all have?  I just lost my last job due to eletrosensitivity (RFID both general and with these nasty scan guns) and the job I had before that to a chemical reaction.  So, in the past couple of months I've been job hunting and quickly discovering that there are plenty of jobs to be had out there if you can tolerate excessive light, harsh chemicals and wifi.  Beyond those criteria the pickings start getting pretty darn slim and nobody has health insurance (which I desperately need).  So...what do you all do?





   
     

   
   


 



 






     

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puk replies - yes job wise things getter slimmer and slimmer ! as for the  
scan guns are you aware of the sweedish guy voted top salesman of the year
at  some stage who became ES due to these guns, he apparently ended up on the
street  after being branded mentally ill.... not sure what the story is
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In a message dated 14/10/2010 11:06:57 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

Hi,  the newbie has a starter question. What jobs do you all have? I just
lost my  last job due to eletrosensitivity (RFID both general and with these
nasty scan  guns)


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I can't be near a PC for very long, and definitely not a LCD monitor.  

Even five minutes under a fluorescent light makes me ill for the next 24 hours (I've even tried suncreen for in case it was a UV thing (which I doubt, because the sun doesn't create such an extreme reaction - although it does make me feel ill).

Even landlines make me ill if don't keep calls infrequent and short.

So I don't know how I'm ever going to work again.

I haven't been working anyway due to CFS, but these last few months my EMF sensitivity has become so bad that I'm pretty much house bound.

My husband has decided to divorce me, as he thinks it's probably psychological (he says if 10 was believing me and 0 was not, then he's a 4). Either way he isn't prepared to live with the changes, nor to move to another, better house.  

My mother doesnt' believe me at all, and has begged me to see a psychiatrist.  She's in fact even threatened to have me certified.  Now we've agreed to disagree, and neither of us bring up the subject.

It's all very painful to me, I wish I could have something 'conventional' wrong with me.

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:

HI Marc

How have you got your ES under control?

Thanks

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> How have you got your ES under control?

By trying everything possible and continuing to use most everything that
I've found to be helpful.  For example:

  -- using a few select EMF protection devices
  -- "easy" alterations of EMF environment (move some things further away
     from me, switch to old-fashion technology in some cases -- incandescent
     lightbulbs, wired phones, wired internet, monochrome-screen cellphone)
  -- changing diet to one loaded with nutrients (minimal junk food)
  -- supplements to help rebuild my adrenal glands
  -- supplements to help detoxify heavy metals / chemicals
  -- some anti-oxidant & mineral & vitamin supplements
  -- replacing all metal dental work with non-metal
  -- reducing the amount of metal worn (including eyeglasses, watches, belt buckles)
  -- non-metal bed (frame, mattress) helps
  -- static-dissipative shoes *might* help

Some have reported being completely cured by completing a heavy metal detox,
so this is what I'm pursuing as a long-term solution.  However, a complete
heavy metal detox can take many years for some people... depends on how
fast you can tolerate getting that stuff out of your system.

Marc
   

what's a scan gun?

es - job wise for me - rules out so much - I find computers difficult for
anything longer than short periods and cell phones cause me intense pain and
fatigue not to mention the scrambled brain

I'm thinking if i could build up my stamina and energy levels [plus could come
to terms with my problems with leaf mould LOL] I might be capable of a little
light gardening out in the wilderness somewhere

or something artistic [provided the chemicals were on the low side] - maybe some
creative needlework? big demand for that these days [not!]

yes slim pickings indeed workwise and the government here in the UK totally
accepts the line fed to them by Freud and Simon Wellesley that ES is a
psychosomatic illness curable [or at least treatable] with a course of cognitive
behavioural therapy, in one clean sweep negating any entitlement to benefits and
making sure that no one can sue the government which has installed all the wifi
and licensed the cell phone companies [at great bounty to the UK treasury] and
our economy is now so dependent on this infrastructure that in a time of
recession Essers like us are nothing more than a bit of collateral damage.
Google Simon Wellesley and electrosensitvity and sooner or later in the search
results that is what you will come across. He is the psychiatrist which has
totally convinced the UK government that ME/ CFS is not a serious illness
requiring medical treatment leaving 250,000 (and rising) people to suffer in
this country and he sees ES as being part of the same paradigm. The hypocrisy is
nauseating indeed.




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puk replies - yes job wise things getter slimmer and slimmer ! as for the
scan guns are you aware of the sweedish guy voted top salesman of the year
at some stage who became ES due to these guns, he apparently ended up on the
street after being branded mentally ill.... not sure what the story is
entitled


In a message dated 14/10/2010 11:06:57 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Hi, the newbie has a starter question. What jobs do you all have? I just
lost my last job due to eletrosensitivity (RFID both general and with these
nasty scan guns)

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Oh yes forgot to mention the problems with fluourescent lighting - which so
drains me I have come close to passing out - particularly in large stores - so
that rules out most offices then




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Sent: Thu, 14 October, 2010 12:00:50
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puk replies - yes job wise things getter slimmer and slimmer ! as for the
scan guns are you aware of the sweedish guy voted top salesman of the year
at some stage who became ES due to these guns, he apparently ended up on the
street after being branded mentally ill.... not sure what the story is
entitled


In a message dated 14/10/2010 11:06:57 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Hi, the newbie has a starter question. What jobs do you all have? I just
lost my last job due to eletrosensitivity (RFID both general and with these
nasty scan guns)

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Thanks Marc

I've done pretty much all of that:

I cook on gas, use incandescent bulbs, switch cell on once a week to check smss, and don't reply via cell, dont' watch tv at all, hardly ever go to malls.  My only 'vice' is this CRT monitor PC (which I tolerate somewhat with these ELF protector' thingies.

I've done extensive chelation, first with the Cutler protocol (DMSA and ALA rounds), then DMSA and EDTA drips, them DMPS tablets.  Somewhere along the line with this (or lots of antibiotics) I lost my brain fog, mostly, but other than that not much change.  My levels stayed sky-high, I think I was really just mobilizing the metals and not getting rid of them. And all that started a six year insomnia phase which I'm still not quite out of (I now sleep so-so if I avoid EMF gung ho).

These last four months (starting with overexposure to fish tank fluorescent lights) I've become so sensitive that I can hardly go out.



--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

Yes, I couldn't convince my own husband nor mother; they both think I've lost my marbles.

My husband is divorcing me, and my mother wants to have me certified to get psychiatric help (read hospitalized under fluorescent lights, and drugged up with antipsychotics (which I have tried anyhow searching for answers to my fatigue and insomnia).

So why would any employer/government care?

It's all so very sad, I don't see how it's ever going to turn around, and meanwhile so many people are ill because of this.  Not to mention the damage that really is being done to everybody whether they 'feel' it or not, and to the rest of the planet's inhabitants.

--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:

kikkie2004 wrote:
> My mother doesnt' believe me at all, and has begged me to see a psychiatrist.  She's in fact even threatened to have me certified.  Now we've agreed to disagree, and neither of us bring up the subject.
>
> It's all very painful to me, I wish I could have something 'conventional' wrong with me.
>  

All we need is a medical "test" that "Proves" you are in pain.
Since I don't know of any such test, perhaps a different approach could
be useful.

Tell mom when you were a baby, and cried, Did mom conclude something was
bothering you?
(or did she ignore you... probably not)

When horses put their ears back and stomp their feet, do we conclude
they are making it up or bluffing?
or if they are limping, maybe they are faking it and don't want to
work...  Animals don't lie. Too bad people do, and believe other people
all do too.

Obviously the problem is Denial.
and unfortunately, showing them a meter that proves there is EMF in the
air does not make the leap to proving it is harmful, or hurting us, or
torturing us.
It might however, start the thinking process.


Back to the original question, I'll stop lurking long enough to say... I
have been disabled since 1993. I have tried a few jobs that almost
worked, if my other symptoms did not make me unemployable.
I improved when retreating to the forest, and trimming trees in a tree
farm. I think there are still forestry jobs out here that work in the field.
I was able to "chase" and monitor cows on a dairy farm from horseback.
(Horses put out no magnetic field and don't require batteries. :)  
(Bio-electric fields don't qualify.)
If you can find a quiet car, rural mail delivery may work, except for
driving along the power lines.
Being a farrier is also low tech, except again for lots of travel time,
and barns that are not rural enough (which keeps me from pursuing that
idea.)

The best proof, is being able to turn off the emitting sources, (power
off, or change location) and getting a positive result (less pain etc).
So I know you are not crazy.

Stewart
http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

> I've done pretty much all of that:

Yes, it sounds like you know what you are *supposed* to do, just that
it's not working for you so far.

As for jobs, I do know a few people who have jobs that an ES person
should be able to do -- yoga teacher, massage therapist, etc.  Not
saying that one can earn a living doing these things, but certainly
there are jobs that don't need to involve EMF.

Marc

Thanks, Stewart

I've had CFS for many years, and these last few months were the best that I've ever felt energy-wise, sleepwise, moodwise. Providing I avoid EMF as far as possible. And that's after trying everything else, from 'alternative stuff' like chelation, nutrient therapy, scio, rife, antibiotics, to conventional stuff like antidepressants, etc.  So I would have thought this would be proof enough.

I've also printed her off much literature regarding EMF, including info about 'first world countries' such as Sweden acknowledging it and bringing out guidelines about it.

All to no avail. So I've pretty much given up on her.

Being female cuts out some of the more hard labour EMF-free jobs for me; and the car and powerlines definitely affect me very much as well.



--- In [hidden email], S Andreason <sandreas41@...> wrote:

HI Marc

Yes, it's the earning a living part that's the problem, I need to support both myself and a child.  

And I also have CFS, which makes me extremely tired.

But will have to do something, and will look into something like that, thanks.  

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> And I also have CFS, which makes me extremely tired.

It sounds like you have adrenal problems... I hope you are
taking SOMETHING on a daily basis to help out your adrenals.
Weak adrenals can contribute to being tired, lack stamina,
sensitivity to EMF and chemicals, low tolerance for stressful
situations, etc.

Marc

HI Marc

Yes, definitely have adrenal problems, take 25 mg hydrocortisone daily for it.

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

Kikkie!
 
Hey my husband is like your mom. I actually did the psychiatric thing & thought "oh they'll see that I am sane & tell my husband"  But they didn't do any tests at all and just though it odd & slapped the delusional tag on me! So DO NOT GO TO A PSYCHIATRIST. Biggest mistake in my life letting my family bully me in to that. Now my husband can use that and does.
 
Sooooooo my EI doc told my husband that my perspective was fine & my injury was real but he still doesn't believe. Doc told us to go to a Neuropsychologist. They can do the tests & tell you for sure. So did that & he told my husband & sister that my perspective was fine but have some brain damage due to the exposures (memory) .  The injury is real so on & so forth.
 
But you know my husband still is obstinate about it. He just doesn't WANT to believe because then he might have to move or make accomodations he doesn't want to deal with.
 
Your mom may just never understand & you just may have to let it go! Some people are very CLOSED MINDED and are "know it alls"  Like my husband.
 
The unfortuneate thing for me is that my husband has ruined my reputation & it is hurtful because I am avoided basically. But I am dealing with the ostrazism too. Got a lot on my plate lately as well.
 
I'll forward some info that you can send to your mom & maybe give to your husband too.
 
How old is your child?. So sorry you are going through this having to raise a child. My kids are 17 & 19 so don't have to worry too much about them. I really feel for your situation. Can relate!
 
Loni
 
 
 
 

--- On Thu, 10/14/10, kikkie2004 <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: kikkie2004 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: jobs anybody?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:19 PM


 



Thanks, Stewart

I've had CFS for many years, and these last few months were the best that I've ever felt energy-wise, sleepwise, moodwise. Providing I avoid EMF as far as possible. And that's after trying everything else, from 'alternative stuff' like chelation, nutrient therapy, scio, rife, antibiotics, to conventional stuff like antidepressants, etc. So I would have thought this would be proof enough.

I've also printed her off much literature regarding EMF, including info about 'first world countries' such as Sweden acknowledging it and bringing out guidelines about it.

All to no avail. So I've pretty much given up on her.

Being female cuts out some of the more hard labour EMF-free jobs for me; and the car and powerlines definitely affect me very much as well.

--- In [hidden email], S Andreason <sandreas41@...> wrote:








     

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Thanks Loni, I appreciate the validation and similar story.

Yeah, definitely won't go to a psychiatrist, I know I'm not insane, and I also know being under their fluorescent lights and having CAT scans (which is what my mother wants me to have) will only make me a million times worse.

She went to see one on her own though, and he explained to her all about psychosomatic disorders and how I needed help really soon. And that it did feel 'real' to me, because I now so much believed that it was real.  And she rang my husband with all this news, so that he could persuade me to go to a psychiatrist. So he was 'very shocked' by all this, 'finding out that all these changes were just because of my mental problems'.

My husband doesn't discuss this with other people, although we're getting divorced, so I'm sure it'll come up as a reason later on. But my mother I'm sure is discussing it with my siblings, relatives, etc, so probably quite a few people out there now that think I'm nuts.

I have been to psychiatrists before any way (tried them as a possibility to get rid of CFS-induced depression and insomnia). So either way I've tried every class of psychiatric medicine (tons of them).  And they did nothing for anything, just made me worse.  To me the proof is in the pudding  - what has helped most of all for fatigue, depression and insomnia is avoiding EMF gung-ho.  But alas, it doesn't prove anything to them.

My child is eight, so he's still along way off from not being actively mothered.

Becoming actively involved in this group now (instead of lurking) (although I can't sit infront of the PC too long), has been the greatest blessing though - finding people going through the same thing, and feeling that I can say anything (no matter how strange it sounds).





--- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

Yep, many are thought of as "loopy", "kooky" to put it nicely,
it kinds of absolve them of responsibility and the reality.

There are plenty of studies to show the harm ES/EMF/RF
and so forth causes.  Some countries take this seriously,
perhaps, gathering info/research might help you when it
crops up during proceedings.

Too bad about your experience. I am glad I stayed from
psychs, and those toxic meds, despite severe insomnia
etc..

I hold them responsible and despise them.  Two of my friends,
this year,  presceibed psychotropics, (depressed, ahem, not really, I would say

unhappy and inability to cope), tried to commit suicide. It was defintitely a side
effect of these drugs. The second friend, tried twice to commit suicide in April
this year.  Both were discharged from hospital with a little baggy full of more
"happy pills", as if ..

And, no, you are not insane, the world we live in is insane.

I don't give a toss what anyone thinks about me, or say, :-)
hopefully, you don't either. 

Keep strong, keep well.

Kooky


--- On Sat, 10/16/10, kikkie2004 <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: kikkie2004 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Family/Psychiatrists/Social Ostracizism/Kikkie
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 1:05 AM







 



 


   
     
     
      Thanks Loni, I appreciate the validation and similar story.



Yeah, definitely won't go to a psychiatrist, I know I'm not insane, and I also know being under their fluorescent lights and having CAT scans (which is what my mother wants me to have) will only make me a million times worse.



She went to see one on her own though, and he explained to her all about psychosomatic disorders and how I needed help really soon. And that it did feel 'real' to me, because I now so much believed that it was real.  And she rang my husband with all this news, so that he could persuade me to go to a psychiatrist. So he was 'very shocked' by all this, 'finding out that all these changes were just because of my mental problems'.



My husband doesn't discuss this with other people, although we're getting divorced, so I'm sure it'll come up as a reason later on. But my mother I'm sure is discussing it with my siblings, relatives, etc, so probably quite a few people out there now that think I'm nuts.



I have been to psychiatrists before any way (tried them as a possibility to get rid of CFS-induced depression and insomnia). So either way I've tried every class of psychiatric medicine (tons of them).  And they did nothing for anything, just made me worse.  To me the proof is in the pudding  - what has helped most of all for fatigue, depression and insomnia is avoiding EMF gung-ho.  But alas, it doesn't prove anything to them.



My child is eight, so he's still along way off from not being actively mothered.



Becoming actively involved in this group now (instead of lurking) (although I can't sit infront of the PC too long), has been the greatest blessing though - finding people going through the same thing, and feeling that I can say anything (no matter how strange it sounds).



--- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

>

> Kikkie!

>  

> Hey my husband is like your mom. I actually did the psychiatric thing & thought "oh they'll see that I am sane & tell my husband"  But they didn't do any tests at all and just though it odd & slapped the delusional tag on me! So DO NOT GO TO A PSYCHIATRIST. Biggest mistake in my life letting my family bully me in to that. Now my husband can use that and does.

>  

> Sooooooo my EI doc told my husband that my perspective was fine & my injury was real but he still doesn't believe. Doc told us to go to a Neuropsychologist. They can do the tests & tell you for sure. So did that & he told my husband & sister that my perspective was fine but have some brain damage due to the exposures (memory) .  The injury is real so on & so forth.

>  

> But you know my husband still is obstinate about it. He just doesn't WANT to believe because then he might have to move or make accomodations he doesn't want to deal with.

>  

> Your mom may just never understand & you just may have to let it go! Some people are very CLOSED MINDED and are "know it alls"  Like my husband.

>  

> The unfortuneate thing for me is that my husband has ruined my reputation & it is hurtful because I am avoided basically. But I am dealing with the ostrazism too. Got a lot on my plate lately as well.

>  

> I'll forward some info that you can send to your mom & maybe give to your husband too.

>  

> How old is your child?. So sorry you are going through this having to raise a child. My kids are 17 & 19 so don't have to worry too much about them. I really feel for your situation. Can relate!

>  

> Loni

>  

>  

>  

>  

>

> --- On Thu, 10/14/10, kikkie2004 <kirsty.weight@...> wrote:

>

>

> From: kikkie2004 <kirsty.weight@...>

> Subject: [eSens] Re: jobs anybody?

> To: [hidden email]

> Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:19 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Thanks, Stewart

>

> I've had CFS for many years, and these last few months were the best that I've ever felt energy-wise, sleepwise, moodwise. Providing I avoid EMF as far as possible. And that's after trying everything else, from 'alternative stuff' like chelation, nutrient therapy, scio, rife, antibiotics, to conventional stuff like antidepressants, etc. So I would have thought this would be proof enough.

>

> I've also printed her off much literature regarding EMF, including info about 'first world countries' such as Sweden acknowledging it and bringing out guidelines about it.

>

> All to no avail. So I've pretty much given up on her.

>

> Being female cuts out some of the more hard labour EMF-free jobs for me; and the car and powerlines definitely affect me very much as well.

>

> --- In [hidden email], S Andreason <sandreas41@> wrote:

> >

> > kikkie2004 wrote:

> > > My mother doesnt' believe me at all, and has begged me to see a psychiatrist. She's in fact even threatened to have me certified. Now we've agreed to disagree, and neither of us bring up the subject.

> > >

> > > It's all very painful to me, I wish I could have something 'conventional' wrong with me.

> > >

> >

> > All we need is a medical "test" that "Proves" you are in pain.

> > Since I don't know of any such test, perhaps a different approach could

> > be useful.

> >

> > Tell mom when you were a baby, and cried, Did mom conclude something was

> > bothering you?

> > (or did she ignore you... probably not)

> >

> > When horses put their ears back and stomp their feet, do we conclude

> > they are making it up or bluffing?

> > or if they are limping, maybe they are faking it and don't want to

> > work... Animals don't lie. Too bad people do, and believe other people

> > all do too.

> >

> > Obviously the problem is Denial.

> > and unfortunately, showing them a meter that proves there is EMF in the

> > air does not make the leap to proving it is harmful, or hurting us, or

> > torturing us.

> > It might however, start the thinking process.

> >

> >

> > Back to the original question, I'll stop lurking long enough to say... I

> > have been disabled since 1993. I have tried a few jobs that almost

> > worked, if my other symptoms did not make me unemployable.

> > I improved when retreating to the forest, and trimming trees in a tree

> > farm. I think there are still forestry jobs out here that work in the field.

> > I was able to "chase" and monitor cows on a dairy farm from horseback.

> > (Horses put out no magnetic field and don't require batteries. :)

> > (Bio-electric fields don't qualify.)

> > If you can find a quiet car, rural mail delivery may work, except for

> > driving along the power lines.

> > Being a farrier is also low tech, except again for lots of travel time,

> > and barns that are not rural enough (which keeps me from pursuing that

> > idea.)

> >

> > The best proof, is being able to turn off the emitting sources, (power

> > off, or change location) and getting a positive result (less pain etc).

> > So I know you are not crazy.

> >

> > Stewart

> > http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

> >

>

>

>

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