jobs anybody?

>
> Hi Diane
>
> Many thanks for your reply.
>
> I'm glad to hear that some people's ES gets much better, that's something to look forward to.
>
> I'm moving to a farm tomorow for a few weeks, and if it goes well, I'll move there on a long term basis. The house I'll be staying in seems good re EMF.  There is cell phone coverage, but at least it should be much less than where I stay now.  I'll be helping the farmer with admin work (minimum PC etc and no fluorescents) half day in return for the accommodation. So really a good thing if it all works well.
>
> I am also gluten free and don't have it in the house either. Although I do succumb to it once in a blue moon, and also accidentally get it in when I (rarely) eat out, as it's in everything.  The moment I have any, my stomach gets upset, my throat burns and it affects me mentally as well.
>
> I'll look into Dr Tennant's protocol as well, I can't find his site googling.  My diet isn't very nutritious, I react so much to food, and especially to salicylates, that I pretty much eat (organic) meat and white rice. I do supplement some with Cellfood and other stuff though (must look into hydrogen supplements as well).
>
> Yes, I would love more information.
>
> Thanks again
> K
>
> --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Kikkie,
> >  
> > Welcome to the group!  I hope you find the help you seek.
> >  
> > I do almost the same things as Marc, plus some stuff of my own.  I have minimal ES now, but I still practice avoidance when possible.  Especially, I have been better since detoxing my bone-marrow thru homeopathy (I just eluded to that in another email so won't go further on that topic).  I also have worked on supplementation and nutrient loading thru eating healthier and organically.  For me, personally, I could not have gotten anywhere if I had not gone completely gluten-free (and I mean 0 gluten--none in health/ beauty products, none in home, I avoid restaurants and processed foods due to contaminated manufacturing lines.  I even avoid airborne glutens.  O glutens, period).  That was how I recovered from fibromyalgia and CFS, too.  There were also gut flora issues I had to address, plus raising my pH to recover from CFS.  Long story, but if you want to know more I can share privately.  (But since I am not often online, lately, if you
> >  miss me, know SOME DAY you will hear from me, but don't hold your breathe or you will surely pass-out!  ;)   I am behind on about 200 emails right now.)   Pretty much, I just do the normal anti- parasitic (fungi, bacteria, virus, etc) diet and "germicidals" (natural parasitic killers) and follow anti-candida protocols.  I used hydrogen supplements and alkaline water and foods to raise my pH. 
> >  
> > I also avoid eating sugars and sugar-alcohols.  While I don't go as crazy with this as with the gluten, it helps when I am zero sugars.  I work at raising my pH to between 7.35 and 7.50, and as Snoshoe and Stephen here will tell you, that also means my cell voltage is then also correct, which is also a good thing!  ;)  (Thankyou Snoshoe and Stephen for enlightening me!)  I pretty much follow Dr Tennant's protocol to a T.  (By accident--I didn't know I followed a protocol until Stephen sent me a 86? page excerpt from the Tennant book, which I think is accessible on-line at his site.)  So if you need more info on what I do, reading his book or the 80+ pg excerpt should explain it better than I would.  I don't have the site address where the excerpt is, but ask if you want it and Stephen (thanks, Stephen), will probably be kind and send it to you.  :)  If you have thyroid, adrenal, or liver disease, you need to work on targeted supplements to
> >  those.  Again, you can ask me privately if you need more help.  I also have autonomic nervous system disorder and that is how emfs most present themselves with me lately.  But even that is much better since doing detoxing, etc. 
> >  
> > Good luck.  I hope you find the help you need,
> > Diane
> >
> > --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Marc Martin <marc@>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] ES under control
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:00 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > > How have you got your ES under control?
> >
> > By trying everything possible and continuing to use most everything that
> > I've found to be helpful. For example:
> >
> > -- using a few select EMF protection devices
> > -- "easy" alterations of EMF environment (move some things further away
> > from me, switch to old-fashion technology in some cases -- incandescent
> > lightbulbs, wired phones, wired internet, monochrome-screen cellphone)
> > -- changing diet to one loaded with nutrients (minimal junk food)
> > -- supplements to help rebuild my adrenal glands
> > -- supplements to help detoxify heavy metals / chemicals
> > -- some anti-oxidant & mineral & vitamin supplements
> > -- replacing all metal dental work with non-metal
> > -- reducing the amount of metal worn (including eyeglasses, watches, belt buckles)
> > -- non-metal bed (frame, mattress) helps
> > -- static-dissipative shoes *might* help
> >
> > Some have reported being completely cured by completing a heavy metal detox,
> > so this is what I'm pursuing as a long-term solution. However, a complete
> > heavy metal detox can take many years for some people... depends on how
> > fast you can tolerate getting that stuff out of your system.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

>
>
>
> Hi Stephen
>
> As per Diane's message, might you email me the extract from Dr Tennant's protocol - I can't find the site.
>
> Many thanks.
> K
>
> --- In [hidden email], "kikkie2004" <kirsty.weight@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Diane
> >
> > Many thanks for your reply.
> >
> > I'm glad to hear that some people's ES gets much better, that's something to look forward to.
> >
> > I'm moving to a farm tomorow for a few weeks, and if it goes well, I'll move there on a long term basis. The house I'll be staying in seems good re EMF.  There is cell phone coverage, but at least it should be much less than where I stay now.  I'll be helping the farmer with admin work (minimum PC etc and no fluorescents) half day in return for the accommodation. So really a good thing if it all works well.
> >
> > I am also gluten free and don't have it in the house either. Although I do succumb to it once in a blue moon, and also accidentally get it in when I (rarely) eat out, as it's in everything.  The moment I have any, my stomach gets upset, my throat burns and it affects me mentally as well.
> >
> > I'll look into Dr Tennant's protocol as well, I can't find his site googling.  My diet isn't very nutritious, I react so much to food, and especially to salicylates, that I pretty much eat (organic) meat and white rice. I do supplement some with Cellfood and other stuff though (must look into hydrogen supplements as well).
> >
> > Yes, I would love more information.
> >
> > Thanks again
> > K
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Kikkie,
> > >  
> > > Welcome to the group!  I hope you find the help you seek.
> > >  
> > > I do almost the same things as Marc, plus some stuff of my own.  I have minimal ES now, but I still practice avoidance when possible.  Especially, I have been better since detoxing my bone-marrow thru homeopathy (I just eluded to that in another email so won't go further on that topic).  I also have worked on supplementation and nutrient loading thru eating healthier and organically.  For me, personally, I could not have gotten anywhere if I had not gone completely gluten-free (and I mean 0 gluten--none in health/ beauty products, none in home, I avoid restaurants and processed foods due to contaminated manufacturing lines.  I even avoid airborne glutens.  O glutens, period).  That was how I recovered from fibromyalgia and CFS, too.  There were also gut flora issues I had to address, plus raising my pH to recover from CFS.  Long story, but if you want to know more I can share privately.  (But since I am not often online, lately, if you
> > >  miss me, know SOME DAY you will hear from me, but don't hold your breathe or you will surely pass-out!  ;)   I am behind on about 200 emails right now.)   Pretty much, I just do the normal anti- parasitic (fungi, bacteria, virus, etc) diet and "germicidals" (natural parasitic killers) and follow anti-candida protocols.  I used hydrogen supplements and alkaline water and foods to raise my pH. 
> > >  
> > > I also avoid eating sugars and sugar-alcohols.  While I don't go as crazy with this as with the gluten, it helps when I am zero sugars.  I work at raising my pH to between 7.35 and 7.50, and as Snoshoe and Stephen here will tell you, that also means my cell voltage is then also correct, which is also a good thing!  ;)  (Thankyou Snoshoe and Stephen for enlightening me!)  I pretty much follow Dr Tennant's protocol to a T.  (By accident--I didn't know I followed a protocol until Stephen sent me a 86? page excerpt from the Tennant book, which I think is accessible on-line at his site.)  So if you need more info on what I do, reading his book or the 80+ pg excerpt should explain it better than I would.  I don't have the site address where the excerpt is, but ask if you want it and Stephen (thanks, Stephen), will probably be kind and send it to you.  :)  If you have thyroid, adrenal, or liver disease, you need to work on targeted supplements to
> > >  those.  Again, you can ask me privately if you need more help.  I also have autonomic nervous system disorder and that is how emfs most present themselves with me lately.  But even that is much better since doing detoxing, etc. 
> > >  
> > > Good luck.  I hope you find the help you need,
> > > Diane
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Marc Martin <marc@>
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] ES under control
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:00 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > How have you got your ES under control?
> > >
> > > By trying everything possible and continuing to use most everything that
> > > I've found to be helpful. For example:
> > >
> > > -- using a few select EMF protection devices
> > > -- "easy" alterations of EMF environment (move some things further away
> > > from me, switch to old-fashion technology in some cases -- incandescent
> > > lightbulbs, wired phones, wired internet, monochrome-screen cellphone)
> > > -- changing diet to one loaded with nutrients (minimal junk food)
> > > -- supplements to help rebuild my adrenal glands
> > > -- supplements to help detoxify heavy metals / chemicals
> > > -- some anti-oxidant & mineral & vitamin supplements
> > > -- replacing all metal dental work with non-metal
> > > -- reducing the amount of metal worn (including eyeglasses, watches, belt buckles)
> > > -- non-metal bed (frame, mattress) helps
> > > -- static-dissipative shoes *might* help
> > >
> > > Some have reported being completely cured by completing a heavy metal detox,
> > > so this is what I'm pursuing as a long-term solution. However, a complete
> > > heavy metal detox can take many years for some people... depends on how
> > > fast you can tolerate getting that stuff out of your system.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

> those.  Again, you can ask me privately if you need more help.  I also have autonomic nervous system disorder and that is how emfs most present themselves with me lately.  But even that is much better since doing detoxing, etc. 
>  
> Good luck.  I hope you find the help you need,
> Diane
>
> --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] ES under control
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:00 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> > How have you got your ES under control?
>
> By trying everything possible and continuing to use most everything that
> I've found to be helpful. For example:
>
> -- using a few select EMF protection devices
> -- "easy" alterations of EMF environment (move some things further away
> from me, switch to old-fashion technology in some cases -- incandescent
> lightbulbs, wired phones, wired internet, monochrome-screen cellphone)
> -- changing diet to one loaded with nutrients (minimal junk food)
> -- supplements to help rebuild my adrenal glands
> -- supplements to help detoxify heavy metals / chemicals
> -- some anti-oxidant & mineral & vitamin supplements
> -- replacing all metal dental work with non-metal
> -- reducing the amount of metal worn (including eyeglasses, watches, belt buckles)
> -- non-metal bed (frame, mattress) helps
> -- static-dissipative shoes *might* help
>
> Some have reported being completely cured by completing a heavy metal detox,
> so this is what I'm pursuing as a long-term solution. However, a complete
> heavy metal detox can take many years for some people... depends on how
> fast you can tolerate getting that stuff out of your system.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> those.  Again, you can ask me privately if you need more help.  I also have autonomic nervous system disorder and that is how emfs most present themselves with me lately.  But even that is much better since doing detoxing, etc. 
>  
> Good luck.  I hope you find the help you need,
> Diane
>
> --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] ES under control
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:00 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> > How have you got your ES under control?
>
> By trying everything possible and continuing to use most everything that
> I've found to be helpful. For example:
>
> -- using a few select EMF protection devices
> -- "easy" alterations of EMF environment (move some things further away
> from me, switch to old-fashion technology in some cases -- incandescent
> lightbulbs, wired phones, wired internet, monochrome-screen cellphone)
> -- changing diet to one loaded with nutrients (minimal junk food)
> -- supplements to help rebuild my adrenal glands
> -- supplements to help detoxify heavy metals / chemicals
> -- some anti-oxidant & mineral & vitamin supplements
> -- replacing all metal dental work with non-metal
> -- reducing the amount of metal worn (including eyeglasses, watches, belt buckles)
> -- non-metal bed (frame, mattress) helps
> -- static-dissipative shoes *might* help
>
> Some have reported being completely cured by completing a heavy metal detox,
> so this is what I'm pursuing as a long-term solution. However, a complete
> heavy metal detox can take many years for some people... depends on how
> fast you can tolerate getting that stuff out of your system.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi, Kikkie,
>  
> Sorry it took so long for me to get back to you.  That is why I asked Stephen to send you the Dr. Tennant 80+ page protocol.  I knew that would have enough info in it to keep you reading for quite awhile!  Lol  Did you receive that info from Stephen?  If not, I can send it.  Just ask.
>  
> I didn’t know about Dr. Tennant and his work until Snoshoe at the forum mentioned it to me (I think last year).  But I still hadn’t read his book excerpt until Stephen sent it to me about 2 months ago.  It is almost exactly all the things I have done, so it makes much more sense for you to follow it, than it makes for me to try to explain what I’ve done.  (I’d be forever cranking out 80+ pages.  Lol) 
>  
> A bit of background on me:  I was ill from infancy.  I was dxed (diagnosed) with failure to thrive as a child--we know now I had celiac disease from infancy.  But, as I grew, many doctors began calling me neurotic, malingering, varying degrees of attention getting and crazy….  I could never understand this since I felt so ill.  But it was true, I actually LOOKED better ill than I ultimately look well!  Lol  I had dark hair and a clear white porcelain complexion.   I nearly died countless times from anemias of various types, which was why I had such a perfect colorless complexion!  Lol   Even my pimples couldn’t turn red.  ;)  But even then doctors didn’t seem to get that there was a major problem going on.  From the first time I nearly died from pernicious anemia, they gave me grief for not eating well!   Yet, when I’d eat liver or something high in iron, I almost always got jaundice from too much iron circulating in my
>  bloodstream, mucking up my liver, and not getting to my cells.  In time, my liver was damaged and by the time I was in my late 20s, I was dxed with cirrhosis of the liver and told I’d likely die within a year.  The doctor told me I should be ashamed of myself for my bad lifestyle of drugs, alcohol, and loose living!  I had to bring in family members to explain to him I did none of those things.  To this doctor’s credit, he then believed them and me, and began really digging in to help me.  This was the first time in my life, any doctor really TRIED to figure out what was wrong.
>  
> This doctor was a Godsend and he believed, although he was a trained M.D., in alternative medicine, because “regular medicine rarely cures anything” (his words).  [He also said, “If man made it, don’t eat/use it.”  He was indeed a man beyond his times!]  He worked with me for over 2 years before I began responding to the treatments fully.  Ultimately, it was a thymus and other glandular extract that was responsible for getting me entirely on my feet (I was nearly completely bed-bound when I went to him.)   But he did many other treatments which helped in various ways: super-supplementation (nutrients at their top limits), candida/gut flora diet, treating pre-diabetic hypoglycemia with diet (other docs had dxed me in my teens, but then did not instruct me how to eat), and even chelation therapy to help shed toxins!  But what neither of us knew was I had celiac disease under-lying everything that was wrong with me.   The candida diet,
>  which called for a gluten-free diet, was at that time, supposed to be a 5 year program and after 5 years, I would go back to a more normal diet.  Plus, we also didn’t deal with gluten contamination, nor was I aware of many things, such as condiments, which contained glutens in small amounts, so I would often become quite ill “out of the blue” and we never figured out why.  But, this periodâ€"my early 30sâ€"was as close as I ever had been to normal health my entire life.  I still had serious problems and painâ€"endometriosis, fibromyalgia, migraines, and tmj… but life was good.  ;)  However this doctor died just after my fifth year with him (he actually died of chelation therapy which he was doing on himself).  I could no longer get the glandular he had made up especially for me and I was no longer on the nearly gf candida diet.  So within 3 or 4 years, my health slowly deteriorated again.  And even tho I knew what this doc did to make me
>  well, I could not find a doctor to replicate his treatments.  This was ultimately what led me to taking my own health into my own hands. 
>  
> As I inched closer and closer to being bed-bound again from CFS and CD (and nearly dying yet again from liver disease and anemias), I was slowly learning to implement most of what I learned from this wonderful doctor, but I couldn’t figure out how to make his glandular!  And, as time progressed, more and more foods now contained (unbeknownst to me) hidden glutens.  So it was almost a losing battle.  After 13 years almost completely bed-ridden (except for about 45 minutes to 1½ hour a day), I was dxed with terminal carcinoid cancer and finally sent to a gastroenterologist.  It was then I was FINALLY dxed with celiac disease at the age of 49!  The cancer was a mis-dx (or at least, 11 years later I am still here!  Lol) 
>  
> After my dx with celiac disease, it was not a rocket to the top of health, either.  4 years into the diet, I was still only able to accomplish 3 or 4 hours of light activity/ day due to CFS.  However, when I finally figured out I needed a totally gf lifestyle (including gf skin care and no airborne glutens), my fibromyalgia suddenly disappeared.  Also, I was able to successfully treat my liver disease, anemia, and osteoporosis.  My thyroid temporarily got bad again (due to too much soy in my diet).  I treated it with OTC Armour extract, and when I couldn’t get that, I used another OTC pig’s glandular.  But, ultimately, I realized soy use was affecting my thyroid and was able to cut it out entirely and my thyroid slowly came up to normal again. 
>  
> I keep tabs my own blood tests and dexa scans thru a twice yearly program we have here in Pennsylvania where you can pay a fee to a social organization such as the American Veterans Asso, and they bring in lab people from the local hospital to take your blood and test it.  (They refer to this as “multiphasic testing, plus panels”.)  You can specify which tests you want.  They may not have this in South Africa, but you could ask around.  It costs me about $500 US/ year, but I’d have to pay over 5X that if I got the testing twice a year thru a doctor, not to mention his fees!  For instance, a dexa scan for osteoporosis costs $25 thru Am Vets, but over $250 thru the hospital!
>  
> I was hitting a stone wall on the chronic fatigue syndrome front, when I finally tried hydrogen supplements to replace the expensive NADH I had been on.  Then, I hit upon alkalizing my water, to help my pH get into an even better zone.  (Hydrogen supplements and alkalized water both work on the principal of raising pH.)  This, coupled with reintroducing the entire candida diet (and some actual natural anti-fungals and anti-biotics) began to work [so I suspect gut bugs might be a problem for some others with CFS, too], but still I could not get past a particular level of activity.  I could exercise 22 minutes at a time, but pushing beyond that always landed me in bed.  Finally I found a knowledgeable nutritionist who explained how to get past this:  I was to never allow myself to sweat or get out of breath while exercising, but just keep moving.  I followed his instructions to a “T”, and sometimes I literally took baby steps.  I used sips of
>  cold water and a cold compress scarf around my neck (called a “cool-dana”) when I started to heat up; and took smaller and smaller steps when my heart rate got too high and I began getting out of breath.  Within 2 years of following this way of exercising, I was able to walk 3+ miles/ day without any relapses.  Today, I can hike and bike 6 or 7 hours a day, with only minor fatigue for 2 or 3 days out.  I can and have gardened 9 hours straight with only minor residual fatigue.  I *DO* take periods to cool off and rest and rehydrate.  Hydrationâ€"with alkaline waterâ€"is very important to keeping my CFS under control.  I still follow the rules not to sweat or get out of breath when possible, and I am very successful at having NO residual fatigue when I do.  [Since I usually do activites with other people, tho, I also have to set myself at their pace, which sometimes means I sacrifice a bit to keep up.]
>  
> Another adjunct to helping get my CFS under control was using calcium AEP and pantethine together.  I have another health problem: autonomic nervous system disorder.  It is somehow connected with the adrenals (I believe the adrenals and the ANS communicate thru serotonin signaling, but, for me, the signaling goes amuck).  Calcium and pantethenic acid are 2 of the most important nutrients of the adrenal and lymphatic systems.  So, when I feel adrenal fatigue or ANS symptoms coming on (such as plummeting blood pressure, wonky heart rate, chills, sweats, soaring blood sugar (not connected with eating)….  I immediately take 2 cal AEP and 2 pantethine caps with a large glass of alkaline water every 20 or 30 minutes until my symptoms go away.  
>  
> One way that ES (electro-magnetic sensitivity) affects me is thru my ANS disorder.  In high emfs, my bp plummets, heart rate gets erratic, bs soars, I get chills and nauseous…..   I originally had to take huge amounts of the cal AEP and pantethine to help with ES, but then I found I can take less if I supplement with 2 or 3 cal AEP and 2 or 3 pantethine only twice a week with breakfast, and *on the same day* several hours later, take small amounts of manganese and taurine.  I came upon using this by looking for a way to close my tight junctions in my blood-brain-barrier, which *I* (no doc involved here) deduced were causing calcium to leak from my cells.  [I was dxed with tj bbb damage tho by a doctor (it is caused by celiac disease, which is classified as an ion channel disease, ie channelopathy disease).]  Because I was not dxed and treated for celiac disease for so long, I now have a leaky bbb (blood brain barrier) and tight junctions (tjs)
>  which do not close except with the help of added manganese and taurine.  I found this info (about manganese and taurine) thru reading tj research studies done on rabbits.  I tried it and it worked for me.  I do not recommend others replicate this without a good bit of study and understanding of what they are doing, however.  It is possible I have abnormal problems compared with other ESSERS.   Manganese can be a toxic metal if taken in too high doses.
>  
> This is the added info which I doubted Dr. Tennant had in his protocol which I offered to send.  Most of it is specific to CFS, not that everyone’s chronic fatigue will respond to the exact same things.  In summary:  try a rigid candida/ gut bug program, no glutens, no sugars, no yeasts; alkalize water and take hydrogen pills to bring your pH (and voltage) up to normal (this helps with serotonin abnormalities, as well); hydrate adequately; add cal AEP and pantethine if it is helpful; try manganese and taurine only as a last resort and if you are sure your body needs it; work on overcoming problems and blocks in exercise and strength training.
>  
> Today, my biggest health problems are MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity), chronic bronchial asthma, tremors, and my vitreous fluid in my eye is breaking down.  I am working on the vitreous problem by adding glucosamine and hyaluronic acid supplements.  I don’t know if this will be successful, but it beats waiting for a detached retina to happen.  ;)   
>  
> My chronic bronchial asthma now requires nothing but a rescue inhaler about 6 to 10 X/ year (but I am an avid avoider of all things smelly and chemical), tho when an asthma attack does come on, it can be badâ€"I get a lot of anaphylaxis with my asthma these days. 
>  
> I am still researching tremorsâ€"those appear to have a connection with GABAâ€"and this makes sense due to my tj dysfunction which, probably even with manganese and taurine intervention, perhaps is not 100%.  As a result, GABA likely leaks thru my bbb, which it is not supposed to do.  My tremors have improved, but sometimes are still terrible. 
>  
> MCS….  Well, this one has been a stump for me.  I have mast cell proliferation, but that appears to be stable (not still proliferating).  I have not been able to find anything but avoidance of all things chemical and smelly to help it.  Whatever has led to MCS has not budged with any of my many therapies I have tried or still do. 
>  
> ES could be worse for me in the future if the utilities are allowed to proliferate smart meters as they wish, but for now, it is a minor nuisance.  But I see the 4Ghz, 5Ghz…. progression and smart meters as a new problem to prepare for. 
>  
> I hope you don’t have all my health problems, but if you do, I wish you much luck in curing and helping them!  I have been very successful on a whole, I think.  My lifestyle will never be normal in this world (but is it me who is abnormal or the way others live?  I live exactly as people for centuries lived!)  I remember that everyday and hold onto the blessings I have.  I believe we are built to overcome and heal and be healthy.  So I believe we should never give up searching for ways to heal. 
>  
> I have read your posts at the ES forum and know how hard your life has become.  Take heart; we may have to fight to get there, but healing is out there with your name on it, Kikkie!  Never give up.  I believe also that this “civilization” will not go on much longer in its present rush to destroy the Earth.  Sooner or later the Earth is going to rebel.  Things might be bad for awhile, but in the end the Creator and Earth will have their way.  We can only collectively hope this will be soon.
>  
> My best to you and your children; if there is anything I can help you with, please ask.
> Diane/ Evie
>
> --- On Fri, 10/22/10, kikkie2004 <kirsty.weight@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: kikkie2004 <kirsty.weight@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: ES under control Diane
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 6:25 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Diane
>
> Many thanks for your reply.
>
> I'm glad to hear that some people's ES gets much better, that's something to look forward to.
>
> I'm moving to a farm tomorow for a few weeks, and if it goes well, I'll move there on a long term basis. The house I'll be staying in seems good re EMF. There is cell phone coverage, but at least it should be much less than where I stay now. I'll be helping the farmer with admin work (minimum PC etc and no fluorescents) half day in return for the accommodation. So really a good thing if it all works well.
>
> I am also gluten free and don't have it in the house either. Although I do succumb to it once in a blue moon, and also accidentally get it in when I (rarely) eat out, as it's in everything. The moment I have any, my stomach gets upset, my throat burns and it affects me mentally as well.
>
> I'll look into Dr Tennant's protocol as well, I can't find his site googling. My diet isn't very nutritious, I react so much to food, and especially to salicylates, that I pretty much eat (organic) meat and white rice. I do supplement some with Cellfood and other stuff though (must look into hydrogen supplements as well).
>
> Yes, I would love more information.
>
> Thanks again
> K
>
> --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Kikkie,
> >  
> > Welcome to the group!  I hope you find the help you seek.
> >  
> > I do almost the same things as Marc, plus some stuff of my own.  I have minimal ES now, but I still practice avoidance when possible.  Especially, I have been better since detoxing my bone-marrow thru homeopathy (I just eluded to that in another email so won't go further on that topic).  I also have worked on supplementation and nutrient loading thru eating healthier and organically.  For me, personally, I could not have gotten anywhere if I had not gone completely gluten-free (and I mean 0 gluten--none in health/ beauty products, none in home, I avoid restaurants and processed foods due to contaminated manufacturing lines.  I even avoid airborne glutens.  O glutens, period).  That was how I recovered from fibromyalgia and CFS, too.  There were also gut flora issues I had to address, plus raising my pH to recover from CFS.  Long story, but if you want to know more I can share privately.  (But since I am
>  not often online, lately, if you
> > miss me, know SOME DAY you will hear from me, but don't hold your breathe or you will surely pass-out!  ;)   I am behind on about 200 emails right now.)   Pretty much, I just do the normal anti- parasitic (fungi, bacteria, virus, etc) diet and "germicidals" (natural parasitic killers) and follow anti-candida protocols.  I used hydrogen supplements and alkaline water and foods to raise my pH. 
> >  
> > I also avoid eating sugars and sugar-alcohols.  While I don't go as crazy with this as with the gluten, it helps when I am zero sugars.  I work at raising my pH to between 7.35 and 7.50, and as Snoshoe and Stephen here will tell you, that also means my cell voltage is then also correct, which is also a good thing!  ;)  (Thankyou Snoshoe and Stephen for enlightening me!)  I pretty much follow Dr Tennant's protocol to a T.  (By accident--I didn't know I followed a protocol until Stephen sent me a 86? page excerpt from the Tennant book, which I think is accessible on-line at his site.)  So if you need more info on what I do, reading his book or the 80+ pg excerpt should explain it better than I would.  I don't have the site address where the excerpt is, but ask if you want it and Stephen (thanks, Stephen), will probably be kind and send it to you.  :)  If you have thyroid, adrenal, or liver disease, you need to work
>  on targeted supplements to
> > those.  Again, you can ask me privately if you need more help.  I also have autonomic nervous system disorder and that is how emfs most present themselves with me lately.  But even that is much better since doing detoxing, etc. 
> >  
> > Good luck.  I hope you find the help you need,
> > Diane
> >
> > --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Marc Martin <marc@>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] ES under control
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:00 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > > How have you got your ES under control?
> >
> > By trying everything possible and continuing to use most everything that
> > I've found to be helpful. For example:
> >
> > -- using a few select EMF protection devices
> > -- "easy" alterations of EMF environment (move some things further away
> > from me, switch to old-fashion technology in some cases -- incandescent
> > lightbulbs, wired phones, wired internet, monochrome-screen cellphone)
> > -- changing diet to one loaded with nutrients (minimal junk food)
> > -- supplements to help rebuild my adrenal glands
> > -- supplements to help detoxify heavy metals / chemicals
> > -- some anti-oxidant & mineral & vitamin supplements
> > -- replacing all metal dental work with non-metal
> > -- reducing the amount of metal worn (including eyeglasses, watches, belt buckles)
> > -- non-metal bed (frame, mattress) helps
> > -- static-dissipative shoes *might* help
> >
> > Some have reported being completely cured by completing a heavy metal detox,
> > so this is what I'm pursuing as a long-term solution. However, a complete
> > heavy metal detox can take many years for some people... depends on how
> > fast you can tolerate getting that stuff out of your system.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> which do not close except with the help of added manganese and taurine.  I found this info (about manganese and taurine) thru reading tj research studies done on rabbits.  I tried it and it worked for me.  I do not recommend others replicate this without a good bit of study and understanding of what they are doing, however.  It is possible I have abnormal problems compared with other ESSERS.   Manganese can be a toxic metal if taken in too high doses.
>  
> This is the added info which I doubted Dr. Tennant had in his protocol which I offered to send.  Most of it is specific to CFS, not that everyone’s chronic fatigue will respond to the exact same things.  In summary:  try a rigid candida/ gut bug program, no glutens, no sugars, no yeasts; alkalize water and take hydrogen pills to bring your pH (and voltage) up to normal (this helps with serotonin abnormalities, as well); hydrate adequately; add cal AEP and pantethine if it is helpful; try manganese and taurine only as a last resort and if you are sure your body needs it; work on overcoming problems and blocks in exercise and strength training.
>  
> Today, my biggest health problems are MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity), chronic bronchial asthma, tremors, and my vitreous fluid in my eye is breaking down.  I am working on the vitreous problem by adding glucosamine and hyaluronic acid supplements.  I don’t know if this will be successful, but it beats waiting for a detached retina to happen.  ;)   
>  
> My chronic bronchial asthma now requires nothing but a rescue inhaler about 6 to 10 X/ year (but I am an avid avoider of all things smelly and chemical), tho when an asthma attack does come on, it can be badâ€"I get a lot of anaphylaxis with my asthma these days. 
>  
> I am still researching tremorsâ€"those appear to have a connection with GABAâ€"and this makes sense due to my tj dysfunction which, probably even with manganese and taurine intervention, perhaps is not 100%.  As a result, GABA likely leaks thru my bbb, which it is not supposed to do.  My tremors have improved, but sometimes are still terrible. 
>  
> MCS….  Well, this one has been a stump for me.  I have mast cell proliferation, but that appears to be stable (not still proliferating).  I have not been able to find anything but avoidance of all things chemical and smelly to help it.  Whatever has led to MCS has not budged with any of my many therapies I have tried or still do. 
>  
> ES could be worse for me in the future if the utilities are allowed to proliferate smart meters as they wish, but for now, it is a minor nuisance.  But I see the 4Ghz, 5Ghz…. progression and smart meters as a new problem to prepare for. 
>  
> I hope you don’t have all my health problems, but if you do, I wish you much luck in curing and helping them!  I have been very successful on a whole, I think.  My lifestyle will never be normal in this world (but is it me who is abnormal or the way others live?  I live exactly as people for centuries lived!)  I remember that everyday and hold onto the blessings I have.  I believe we are built to overcome and heal and be healthy.  So I believe we should never give up searching for ways to heal. 
>  
> I have read your posts at the ES forum and know how hard your life has become.  Take heart; we may have to fight to get there, but healing is out there with your name on it, Kikkie!  Never give up.  I believe also that this “civilization� will not go on much longer in its present rush to destroy the Earth.  Sooner or later the Earth is going to rebel.  Things might be bad for awhile, but in the end the Creator and Earth will have their way.  We can only collectively hope this will be soon.
>  
> My best to you and your children; if there is anything I can help you with, please ask.
> Diane/ Evie
>
> --- On Fri, 10/22/10, kikkie2004 <kirsty.weight@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: kikkie2004 <kirsty.weight@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: ES under control Diane
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 6:25 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Diane
>
> Many thanks for your reply.
>
> I'm glad to hear that some people's ES gets much better, that's something to look forward to.
>
> I'm moving to a farm tomorow for a few weeks, and if it goes well, I'll move there on a long term basis. The house I'll be staying in seems good re EMF. There is cell phone coverage, but at least it should be much less than where I stay now. I'll be helping the farmer with admin work (minimum PC etc and no fluorescents) half day in return for the accommodation. So really a good thing if it all works well.
>
> I am also gluten free and don't have it in the house either. Although I do succumb to it once in a blue moon, and also accidentally get it in when I (rarely) eat out, as it's in everything. The moment I have any, my stomach gets upset, my throat burns and it affects me mentally as well.
>
> I'll look into Dr Tennant's protocol as well, I can't find his site googling. My diet isn't very nutritious, I react so much to food, and especially to salicylates, that I pretty much eat (organic) meat and white rice. I do supplement some with Cellfood and other stuff though (must look into hydrogen supplements as well).
>
> Yes, I would love more information.
>
> Thanks again
> K
>
> --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Kikkie,
> >  
> > Welcome to the group!  I hope you find the help you seek.
> >  
> > I do almost the same things as Marc, plus some stuff of my own.  I have minimal ES now, but I still practice avoidance when possible.  Especially, I have been better since detoxing my bone-marrow thru homeopathy (I just eluded to that in another email so won't go further on that topic).  I also have worked on supplementation and nutrient loading thru eating healthier and organically.  For me, personally, I could not have gotten anywhere if I had not gone completely gluten-free (and I mean 0 gluten--none in health/ beauty products, none in home, I avoid restaurants and processed foods due to contaminated manufacturing lines.  I even avoid airborne glutens.  O glutens, period).  That was how I recovered from fibromyalgia and CFS, too.  There were also gut flora issues I had to address, plus raising my pH to recover from CFS.  Long

> on targeted supplements to
> > those.  Again, you can ask me privately if you need more help.  I also have autonomic nervous system disorder and that is how emfs most present themselves with me lately.  But even that is much better since doing detoxing, etc. 
> >  
> > Good luck.  I hope you find the help you need,
> > Diane
> >
> > --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Marc Martin <marc@>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] ES under control
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:00 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > > How have you got your ES under control?
> >
> > By trying everything possible and continuing to use most everything that
> > I've found to be helpful. For example:
> >
> > -- using a few select EMF protection devices
> > -- "easy" alterations of EMF environment (move some things further away
> > from me, switch to old-fashion technology in some cases -- incandescent
> > lightbulbs, wired phones, wired internet, monochrome-screen cellphone)
> > -- changing diet to one loaded with nutrients (minimal junk food)
> > -- supplements to help rebuild my adrenal glands
> > -- supplements to help detoxify heavy metals / chemicals
> > -- some anti-oxidant & mineral & vitamin supplements
> > -- replacing all metal dental work with non-metal
> > -- reducing the amount of metal worn (including eyeglasses, watches, belt buckles)
> > -- non-metal bed (frame, mattress) helps
> > -- static-dissipative shoes *might* help
> >
> > Some have reported being completely cured by completing a heavy metal detox,
> > so this is what I'm pursuing as a long-term solution. However, a complete
> > heavy metal detox can take many years for some people... depends on how
> > fast you can tolerate getting that stuff out of your system.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Geez, moving to a farm you would hope it would be safer from the cell
> > antennas but it is not. What place is safe for us? So frustrating.
>
> One can't simply assume that being away from civilization is safe...
> last year we went on a vacation to an island and were staying in
> a cabin far from town.  We had no cellphone reception, and the
> cabin didn't have a TV or phone.  HOWEVER, the power lines for
> the street passed directly over the cabin and were dipping so
> low that they were just above the bedroom, PLUS there was a
> Wi-Fi repeater attached to the outside of cabin, also just
> outside the bedroom wall!
>
> Fortunately I did not react to either of these, but it emphasized
> that "being in the middle of nowhere" isn't necessarily safe.
>
> Marc
>

>
> Loni wrote:
> > I would love to leave this area & find a peaceful comfortable place to live but I don't know if that is really possible anymore.
> >  
>
> I am sure there are still rural places that are quiet.
>
> There are a couple places for sale up the valley where there are no
> power lines yet.
>
> Stewart
>

>
> Hi Diane
>
> Many thanks for your reply, it must have taken you ages to type; I really very much appreciate it.
> Thought I would also reply here (despite you having wanted to send it privately, I'm sure there's lots of info there that might help others as well.
>
> Yes, I've also had tons of health problems as well. Also was a sickly, colicky baby. I was so terribly allergic to everything, that my mother had to feed me rice and goat's milk until I was about two. And I never felt well, nor could I concentrate. At age ten my mother was taking me to doctors, but they could never find anything wrong.  After school I got diagnosed with brucellosis, rickettsia, mycoplasma, candida, etc. But the antibiotics gave me severe die-off reactions, but never solved the problem.  
>
> A blood test for celiac was negative, but I know I have it, as the slightest expososure (including in shampoos or watever) give me severe reactions.  I mostly avoid it, but sometimes do get into contact with it(whether accidentally or on purpose).
>
> I've asked Stephen to forward me the tennant protocol (I haven't logged into this group myself for two weeks).  I eat mostly meat and white rice due to severe food allergies, so I can quite imagine I'm severely nutrient deficient as well as acidic.  Unfortunately I seem to have rather bad reactions to all these things.
>
> You can get a thymus gland glandular at www.enzymeprocess.com, which I've used, maybe it'll help you?  I cant' really remember what it did, since it was some time ago and part of a whole protocol.
>
> I will definitely try all the things you suggested, I also have come to the conclusion that leaking cells and leaking blood brain barrier is at the root of all this.
>
> Meanwhile the whole EMF problem is doing my head in. I've moved to a farm and my skin burns there constantly.  There's a TV and cell phone mast on a hill about two miles from my house, but I can see them from my room, so they're in direct view without any obstruction whatsoever.  It just seems so inexcapable.  And that's not even getting to going into stores or near other peoples' mobile phones or radios being switched on near me, etc.  I feel like such a bizarre hypocondriac when I have to explain these things to people.
>
> Anyway, thanks again for your advice and kind words.
>
> Kikkie
>
> --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Kikkie,
> >  
> > Sorry it took so long for me to get back to you.  That is why I asked Stephen to send you the Dr. Tennant 80+ page protocol.  I knew that would have enough info in it to keep you reading for quite awhile!  Lol  Did you receive that info from Stephen?  If not, I can send it.  Just ask.
> >  
> > I didn’t know about Dr. Tennant and his work until Snoshoe at the forum mentioned it to me (I think last year).  But I still hadn’t read his book excerpt until Stephen sent it to me about 2 months ago.  It is almost exactly all the things I have done, so it makes much more sense for you to follow it, than it makes for me to try to explain what I’ve done.  (I’d be forever cranking out 80+ pages.  Lol) 
> >  
> > A bit of background on me:  I was ill from infancy.  I was dxed (diagnosed) with failure to thrive as a child--we know now I had celiac disease from infancy.  But, as I grew, many doctors began calling me neurotic, malingering, varying degrees of attention getting and crazy….  I could never understand this since I felt so ill.  But it was true, I actually LOOKED better ill than I ultimately look well!  Lol  I had dark hair and a clear white porcelain complexion.   I nearly died countless times from anemias of various types, which was why I had such a perfect colorless complexion!  Lol   Even my pimples couldn’t turn red.  ;)  But even then doctors didn’t seem to get that there was a major problem going on.  From the first time I nearly died from pernicious anemia, they gave me grief for not eating well!   Yet, when I’d eat liver or something high in iron, I almost always got jaundice from too much iron circulating in my
> >  bloodstream, mucking up my liver, and not getting to my cells.  In time, my liver was damaged and by the time I was in my late 20s, I was dxed with cirrhosis of the liver and told I’d likely die within a year.  The doctor told me I should be ashamed of myself for my bad lifestyle of drugs, alcohol, and loose living!  I had to bring in family members to explain to him I did none of those things.  To this doctor’s credit, he then believed them and me, and began really digging in to help me.  This was the first time in my life, any doctor really TRIED to figure out what was wrong.
> >  
> > This doctor was a Godsend and he believed, although he was a trained M.D., in alternative medicine, because “regular medicine rarely cures anything” (his words).  [He also said, “If man made it, don’t eat/use it.”  He was indeed a man beyond his times!]  He worked with me for over 2 years before I began responding to the treatments fully.  Ultimately, it was a thymus and other glandular extract that was responsible for getting me entirely on my feet (I was nearly completely bed-bound when I went to him.)   But he did many other treatments which helped in various ways: super-supplementation (nutrients at their top limits), candida/gut flora diet, treating pre-diabetic hypoglycemia with diet (other docs had dxed me in my teens, but then did not instruct me how to eat), and even chelation therapy to help shed toxins!  But what neither of us knew was I had celiac disease under-lying everything that was wrong with me.   The candida diet,
> >  which called for a gluten-free diet, was at that time, supposed to be a 5 year program and after 5 years, I would go back to a more normal diet.  Plus, we also didn’t deal with gluten contamination, nor was I aware of many things, such as condiments, which contained glutens in small amounts, so I would often become quite ill “out of the blue” and we never figured out why.  But, this periodâ€"my early 30sâ€"was as close as I ever had been to normal health my entire life.  I still had serious problems and painâ€"endometriosis, fibromyalgia, migraines, and tmj… but life was good.  ;)  However this doctor died just after my fifth year with him (he actually died of chelation therapy which he was doing on himself).  I could no longer get the glandular he had made up especially for me and I was no longer on the nearly gf candida diet.  So within 3 or 4 years, my health slowly deteriorated again.  And even tho I knew what this doc did to make me
> >  well, I could not find a doctor to replicate his treatments.  This was ultimately what led me to taking my own health into my own hands. 
> >  
> > As I inched closer and closer to being bed-bound again from CFS and CD (and nearly dying yet again from liver disease and anemias), I was slowly learning to implement most of what I learned from this wonderful doctor, but I couldn’t figure out how to make his glandular!  And, as time progressed, more and more foods now contained (unbeknownst to me) hidden glutens.  So it was almost a losing battle.  After 13 years almost completely bed-ridden (except for about 45 minutes to 1½ hour a day), I was dxed with terminal carcinoid cancer and finally sent to a gastroenterologist.  It was then I was FINALLY dxed with celiac disease at the age of 49!  The cancer was a mis-dx (or at least, 11 years later I am still here!  Lol) 
> >  
> > After my dx with celiac disease, it was not a rocket to the top of health, either.  4 years into the diet, I was still only able to accomplish 3 or 4 hours of light activity/ day due to CFS.  However, when I finally figured out I needed a totally gf lifestyle (including gf skin care and no airborne glutens), my fibromyalgia suddenly disappeared.  Also, I was able to successfully treat my liver disease, anemia, and osteoporosis.  My thyroid temporarily got bad again (due to too much soy in my diet).  I treated it with OTC Armour extract, and when I couldn’t get that, I used another OTC pig’s glandular.  But, ultimately, I realized soy use was affecting my thyroid and was able to cut it out entirely and my thyroid slowly came up to normal again. 
> >  
> > I keep tabs my own blood tests and dexa scans thru a twice yearly program we have here in Pennsylvania where you can pay a fee to a social organization such as the American Veterans Asso, and they bring in lab people from the local hospital to take your blood and test it.  (They refer to this as “multiphasic testing, plus panels”.)  You can specify which tests you want.  They may not have this in South Africa, but you could ask around.  It costs me about $500 US/ year, but I’d have to pay over 5X that if I got the testing twice a year thru a doctor, not to mention his fees!  For instance, a dexa scan for osteoporosis costs $25 thru Am Vets, but over $250 thru the hospital!
> >  
> > I was hitting a stone wall on the chronic fatigue syndrome front, when I finally tried hydrogen supplements to replace the expensive NADH I had been on.  Then, I hit upon alkalizing my water, to help my pH get into an even better zone.  (Hydrogen supplements and alkalized water both work on the principal of raising pH.)  This, coupled with reintroducing the entire candida diet (and some actual natural anti-fungals and anti-biotics) began to work [so I suspect gut bugs might be a problem for some others with CFS, too], but still I could not get past a particular level of activity.  I could exercise 22 minutes at a time, but pushing beyond that always landed me in bed.  Finally I found a knowledgeable nutritionist who explained how to get past this:  I was to never allow myself to sweat or get out of breath while exercising, but just keep moving.  I followed his instructions to a “T”, and sometimes I literally took baby steps.  I used sips of
> >  cold water and a cold compress scarf around my neck (called a “cool-dana”) when I started to heat up; and took smaller and smaller steps when my heart rate got too high and I began getting out of breath.  Within 2 years of following this way of exercising, I was able to walk 3+ miles/ day without any relapses.  Today, I can hike and bike 6 or 7 hours a day, with only minor fatigue for 2 or 3 days out.  I can and have gardened 9 hours straight with only minor residual fatigue.  I *DO* take periods to cool off and rest and rehydrate.  Hydrationâ€"with alkaline waterâ€"is very important to keeping my CFS under control.  I still follow the rules not to sweat or get out of breath when possible, and I am very successful at having NO residual fatigue when I do.  [Since I usually do activites with other people, tho, I also have to set myself at their pace, which sometimes means I sacrifice a bit to keep up.]
> >  
> > Another adjunct to helping get my CFS under control was using calcium AEP and pantethine together.  I have another health problem: autonomic nervous system disorder.  It is somehow connected with the adrenals (I believe the adrenals and the ANS communicate thru serotonin signaling, but, for me, the signaling goes amuck).  Calcium and pantethenic acid are 2 of the most important nutrients of the adrenal and lymphatic systems.  So, when I feel adrenal fatigue or ANS symptoms coming on (such as plummeting blood pressure, wonky heart rate, chills, sweats, soaring blood sugar (not connected with eating)….  I immediately take 2 cal AEP and 2 pantethine caps with a large glass of alkaline water every 20 or 30 minutes until my symptoms go away.  
> >  
> > One way that ES (electro-magnetic sensitivity) affects me is thru my ANS disorder.  In high emfs, my bp plummets, heart rate gets erratic, bs soars, I get chills and nauseous…..   I originally had to take huge amounts of the cal AEP and pantethine to help with ES, but then I found I can take less if I supplement with 2 or 3 cal AEP and 2 or 3 pantethine only twice a week with breakfast, and *on the same day* several hours later, take small amounts of manganese and taurine.  I came upon using this by looking for a way to close my tight junctions in my blood-brain-barrier, which *I* (no doc involved here) deduced were causing calcium to leak from my cells.  [I was dxed with tj bbb damage tho by a doctor (it is caused by celiac disease, which is classified as an ion channel disease, ie channelopathy disease).]  Because I was not dxed and treated for celiac disease for so long, I now have a leaky bbb (blood brain barrier) and tight junctions (tjs)
> >  which do not close except with the help of added manganese and taurine.  I found this info (about manganese and taurine) thru reading tj research studies done on rabbits.  I tried it and it worked for me.  I do not recommend others replicate this without a good bit of study and understanding of what they are doing, however.  It is possible I have abnormal problems compared with other ESSERS.   Manganese can be a toxic metal if taken in too high doses.
> >  
> > This is the added info which I doubted Dr. Tennant had in his protocol which I offered to send.  Most of it is specific to CFS, not that everyone’s chronic fatigue will respond to the exact same things.  In summary:  try a rigid candida/ gut bug program, no glutens, no sugars, no yeasts; alkalize water and take hydrogen pills to bring your pH (and voltage) up to normal (this helps with serotonin abnormalities, as well); hydrate adequately; add cal AEP and pantethine if it is helpful; try manganese and taurine only as a last resort and if you are sure your body needs it; work on overcoming problems and blocks in exercise and strength training.
> >  
> > Today, my biggest health problems are MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity), chronic bronchial asthma, tremors, and my vitreous fluid in my eye is breaking down.  I am working on the vitreous problem by adding glucosamine and hyaluronic acid supplements.  I don’t know if this will be successful, but it beats waiting for a detached retina to happen.  ;)   
> >  
> > My chronic bronchial asthma now requires nothing but a rescue inhaler about 6 to 10 X/ year (but I am an avid avoider of all things smelly and chemical), tho when an asthma attack does come on, it can be badâ€"I get a lot of anaphylaxis with my asthma these days. 
> >  
> > I am still researching tremorsâ€"those appear to have a connection with GABAâ€"and this makes sense due to my tj dysfunction which, probably even with manganese and taurine intervention, perhaps is not 100%.  As a result, GABA likely leaks thru my bbb, which it is not supposed to do.  My tremors have improved, but sometimes are still terrible. 
> >  
> > MCS….  Well, this one has been a stump for me.  I have mast cell proliferation, but that appears to be stable (not still proliferating).  I have not been able to find anything but avoidance of all things chemical and smelly to help it.  Whatever has led to MCS has not budged with any of my many therapies I have tried or still do. 
> >  
> > ES could be worse for me in the future if the utilities are allowed to proliferate smart meters as they wish, but for now, it is a minor nuisance.  But I see the 4Ghz, 5Ghz…. progression and smart meters as a new problem to prepare for. 
> >  
> > I hope you don’t have all my health problems, but if you do, I wish you much luck in curing and helping them!  I have been very successful on a whole, I think.  My lifestyle will never be normal in this world (but is it me who is abnormal or the way others live?  I live exactly as people for centuries lived!)  I remember that everyday and hold onto the blessings I have.  I believe we are built to overcome and heal and be healthy.  So I believe we should never give up searching for ways to heal. 
> >  
> > I have read your posts at the ES forum and know how hard your life has become.  Take heart; we may have to fight to get there, but healing is out there with your name on it, Kikkie!  Never give up.  I believe also that this “civilization” will not go on much longer in its present rush to destroy the Earth.  Sooner or later the Earth is going to rebel.  Things might be bad for awhile, but in the end the Creator and Earth will have their way.  We can only collectively hope this will be soon.
> >  
> > My best to you and your children; if there is anything I can help you with, please ask.
> > Diane/ Evie
> >
> > --- On Fri, 10/22/10, kikkie2004 <kirsty.weight@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: kikkie2004 <kirsty.weight@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: ES under control Diane
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 6:25 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Diane
> >
> > Many thanks for your reply.
> >
> > I'm glad to hear that some people's ES gets much better, that's something to look forward to.
> >
> > I'm moving to a farm tomorow for a few weeks, and if it goes well, I'll move there on a long term basis. The house I'll be staying in seems good re EMF. There is cell phone coverage, but at least it should be much less than where I stay now. I'll be helping the farmer with admin work (minimum PC etc and no fluorescents) half day in return for the accommodation. So really a good thing if it all works well.
> >
> > I am also gluten free and don't have it in the house either. Although I do succumb to it once in a blue moon, and also accidentally get it in when I (rarely) eat out, as it's in everything. The moment I have any, my stomach gets upset, my throat burns and it affects me mentally as well.
> >
> > I'll look into Dr Tennant's protocol as well, I can't find his site googling. My diet isn't very nutritious, I react so much to food, and especially to salicylates, that I pretty much eat (organic) meat and white rice. I do supplement some with Cellfood and other stuff though (must look into hydrogen supplements as well).
> >
> > Yes, I would love more information.
> >
> > Thanks again
> > K
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Kikkie,
> > >  
> > > Welcome to the group!  I hope you find the help you seek.
> > >  
> > > I do almost the same things as Marc, plus some stuff of my own.  I have minimal ES now, but I still practice avoidance when possible.  Especially, I have been better since detoxing my bone-marrow thru homeopathy (I just eluded to that in another email so won't go further on that topic).  I also have worked on supplementation and nutrient loading thru eating healthier and organically.  For me, personally, I could not have gotten anywhere if I had not gone completely gluten-free (and I mean 0 gluten--none in health/ beauty products, none in home, I avoid restaurants and processed foods due to contaminated manufacturing lines.  I even avoid airborne glutens.  O glutens, period).  That was how I recovered from fibromyalgia and CFS, too.  There were also gut flora issues I had to address, plus raising my pH to recover from CFS.  Long story, but if you want to know more I can share privately.  (But since I am
> >  not often online, lately, if you
> > > miss me, know SOME DAY you will hear from me, but don't hold your breathe or you will surely pass-out!  ;)   I am behind on about 200 emails right now.)   Pretty much, I just do the normal anti- parasitic (fungi, bacteria, virus, etc) diet and "germicidals" (natural parasitic killers) and follow anti-candida protocols.  I used hydrogen supplements and alkaline water and foods to raise my pH. 
> > >  
> > > I also avoid eating sugars and sugar-alcohols.  While I don't go as crazy with this as with the gluten, it helps when I am zero sugars.  I work at raising my pH to between 7.35 and 7.50, and as Snoshoe and Stephen here will tell you, that also means my cell voltage is then also correct, which is also a good thing!  ;)  (Thankyou Snoshoe and Stephen for enlightening me!)  I pretty much follow Dr Tennant's protocol to a T.  (By accident--I didn't know I followed a protocol until Stephen sent me a 86? page excerpt from the Tennant book, which I think is accessible on-line at his site.)  So if you need more info on what I do, reading his book or the 80+ pg excerpt should explain it better than I would.  I don't have the site address where the excerpt is, but ask if you want it and Stephen (thanks, Stephen), will probably be kind and send it to you.  :)  If you have thyroid, adrenal, or liver disease, you need to work
> >  on targeted supplements to
> > > those.  Again, you can ask me privately if you need more help.  I also have autonomic nervous system disorder and that is how emfs most present themselves with me lately.  But even that is much better since doing detoxing, etc. 
> > >  
> > > Good luck.  I hope you find the help you need,
> > > Diane
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Marc Martin <marc@>
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] ES under control
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:00 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > How have you got your ES under control?
> > >
> > > By trying everything possible and continuing to use most everything that
> > > I've found to be helpful. For example:
> > >
> > > -- using a few select EMF protection devices
> > > -- "easy" alterations of EMF environment (move some things further away
> > > from me, switch to old-fashion technology in some cases -- incandescent
> > > lightbulbs, wired phones, wired internet, monochrome-screen cellphone)
> > > -- changing diet to one loaded with nutrients (minimal junk food)
> > > -- supplements to help rebuild my adrenal glands
> > > -- supplements to help detoxify heavy metals / chemicals
> > > -- some anti-oxidant & mineral & vitamin supplements
> > > -- replacing all metal dental work with non-metal
> > > -- reducing the amount of metal worn (including eyeglasses, watches, belt buckles)
> > > -- non-metal bed (frame, mattress) helps
> > > -- static-dissipative shoes *might* help
> > >
> > > Some have reported being completely cured by completing a heavy metal detox,
> > > so this is what I'm pursuing as a long-term solution. However, a complete
> > > heavy metal detox can take many years for some people... depends on how
> > > fast you can tolerate getting that stuff out of your system.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
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>
> Kikkie, do you feel better when walking outside, or sleeping in a tent, away from electricity or low freq. emf?
>
> 2 miles away from cell phone tower is quite far I would say (although the mountains can play a role here...), still I know it's enough to bother me. I can't stand 3G in most countries, even when I'm in the middle of nowhere. Although my energy has gone down in the past 3 years, at least my ES for 3G has gotten much better, but still a long way to go.
>
> I remember 4 years ago in Netherlands I couldn't even stay in that country for 8 hours or so, now I think may be able to survive even a couple of days there! Awesome! ;-)
>
> Similar improvements in other countries or in some local wifi city networks I know of here in Belgium...
>
> Have got fond memories of South Africa in 2000 by the way... Such a beautiful country...
>
> Stephen.
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "kikkie2004" <kirsty.weight@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Diane
> >
> > Many thanks for your reply, it must have taken you ages to type; I really very much appreciate it.
> > Thought I would also reply here (despite you having wanted to send it privately, I'm sure there's lots of info there that might help others as well.
> >
> > Yes, I've also had tons of health problems as well. Also was a sickly, colicky baby. I was so terribly allergic to everything, that my mother had to feed me rice and goat's milk until I was about two. And I never felt well, nor could I concentrate. At age ten my mother was taking me to doctors, but they could never find anything wrong.  After school I got diagnosed with brucellosis, rickettsia, mycoplasma, candida, etc. But the antibiotics gave me severe die-off reactions, but never solved the problem.  
> >
> > A blood test for celiac was negative, but I know I have it, as the slightest expososure (including in shampoos or watever) give me severe reactions.  I mostly avoid it, but sometimes do get into contact with it(whether accidentally or on purpose).
> >
> > I've asked Stephen to forward me the tennant protocol (I haven't logged into this group myself for two weeks).  I eat mostly meat and white rice due to severe food allergies, so I can quite imagine I'm severely nutrient deficient as well as acidic.  Unfortunately I seem to have rather bad reactions to all these things.
> >
> > You can get a thymus gland glandular at www.enzymeprocess.com, which I've used, maybe it'll help you?  I cant' really remember what it did, since it was some time ago and part of a whole protocol.
> >
> > I will definitely try all the things you suggested, I also have come to the conclusion that leaking cells and leaking blood brain barrier is at the root of all this.
> >
> > Meanwhile the whole EMF problem is doing my head in. I've moved to a farm and my skin burns there constantly.  There's a TV and cell phone mast on a hill about two miles from my house, but I can see them from my room, so they're in direct view without any obstruction whatsoever.  It just seems so inexcapable.  And that's not even getting to going into stores or near other peoples' mobile phones or radios being switched on near me, etc.  I feel like such a bizarre hypocondriac when I have to explain these things to people.
> >
> > Anyway, thanks again for your advice and kind words.
> >
> > Kikkie
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Kikkie,
> > >  
> > > Sorry it took so long for me to get back to you.  That is why I asked Stephen to send you the Dr. Tennant 80+ page protocol.  I knew that would have enough info in it to keep you reading for quite awhile!  Lol  Did you receive that info from Stephen?  If not, I can send it.  Just ask.
> > >  
> > > I didn’t know about Dr. Tennant and his work until Snoshoe at the forum mentioned it to me (I think last year).  But I still hadn’t read his book excerpt until Stephen sent it to me about 2 months ago.  It is almost exactly all the things I have done, so it makes much more sense for you to follow it, than it makes for me to try to explain what I’ve done.  (I’d be forever cranking out 80+ pages.  Lol) 
> > >  
> > > A bit of background on me:  I was ill from infancy.  I was dxed (diagnosed) with failure to thrive as a child--we know now I had celiac disease from infancy.  But, as I grew, many doctors began calling me neurotic, malingering, varying degrees of attention getting and crazy….  I could never understand this since I felt so ill.  But it was true, I actually LOOKED better ill than I ultimately look well!  Lol  I had dark hair and a clear white porcelain complexion.   I nearly died countless times from anemias of various types, which was why I had such a perfect colorless complexion!  Lol   Even my pimples couldn’t turn red.  ;)  But even then doctors didn’t seem to get that there was a major problem going on.  From the first time I nearly died from pernicious anemia, they gave me grief for not eating well!   Yet, when I’d eat liver or something high in iron, I almost always got jaundice from too much iron circulating in my
> > >  bloodstream, mucking up my liver, and not getting to my cells.  In time, my liver was damaged and by the time I was in my late 20s, I was dxed with cirrhosis of the liver and told I’d likely die within a year.  The doctor told me I should be ashamed of myself for my bad lifestyle of drugs, alcohol, and loose living!  I had to bring in family members to explain to him I did none of those things.  To this doctor’s credit, he then believed them and me, and began really digging in to help me.  This was the first time in my life, any doctor really TRIED to figure out what was wrong.
> > >  
> > > This doctor was a Godsend and he believed, although he was a trained M.D., in alternative medicine, because “regular medicine rarely cures anything” (his words).  [He also said, “If man made it, don’t eat/use it.”  He was indeed a man beyond his times!]  He worked with me for over 2 years before I began responding to the treatments fully.  Ultimately, it was a thymus and other glandular extract that was responsible for getting me entirely on my feet (I was nearly completely bed-bound when I went to him.)   But he did many other treatments which helped in various ways: super-supplementation (nutrients at their top limits), candida/gut flora diet, treating pre-diabetic hypoglycemia with diet (other docs had dxed me in my teens, but then did not instruct me how to eat), and even chelation therapy to help shed toxins!  But what neither of us knew was I had celiac disease under-lying everything that was wrong with me.   The candida diet,
> > >  which called for a gluten-free diet, was at that time, supposed to be a 5 year program and after 5 years, I would go back to a more normal diet.  Plus, we also didn’t deal with gluten contamination, nor was I aware of many things, such as condiments, which contained glutens in small amounts, so I would often become quite ill “out of the blue” and we never figured out why.  But, this periodâ€"my early 30sâ€"was as close as I ever had been to normal health my entire life.  I still had serious problems and painâ€"endometriosis, fibromyalgia, migraines, and tmj… but life was good.  ;)  However this doctor died just after my fifth year with him (he actually died of chelation therapy which he was doing on himself).  I could no longer get the glandular he had made up especially for me and I was no longer on the nearly gf candida diet.  So within 3 or 4 years, my health slowly deteriorated again.  And even tho I knew what this doc did to make me
> > >  well, I could not find a doctor to replicate his treatments.  This was ultimately what led me to taking my own health into my own hands. 
> > >  
> > > As I inched closer and closer to being bed-bound again from CFS and CD (and nearly dying yet again from liver disease and anemias), I was slowly learning to implement most of what I learned from this wonderful doctor, but I couldn’t figure out how to make his glandular!  And, as time progressed, more and more foods now contained (unbeknownst to me) hidden glutens.  So it was almost a losing battle.  After 13 years almost completely bed-ridden (except for about 45 minutes to 1½ hour a day), I was dxed with terminal carcinoid cancer and finally sent to a gastroenterologist.  It was then I was FINALLY dxed with celiac disease at the age of 49!  The cancer was a mis-dx (or at least, 11 years later I am still here!  Lol) 
> > >  
> > > After my dx with celiac disease, it was not a rocket to the top of health, either.  4 years into the diet, I was still only able to accomplish 3 or 4 hours of light activity/ day due to CFS.  However, when I finally figured out I needed a totally gf lifestyle (including gf skin care and no airborne glutens), my fibromyalgia suddenly disappeared.  Also, I was able to successfully treat my liver disease, anemia, and osteoporosis.  My thyroid temporarily got bad again (due to too much soy in my diet).  I treated it with OTC Armour extract, and when I couldn’t get that, I used another OTC pig’s glandular.  But, ultimately, I realized soy use was affecting my thyroid and was able to cut it out entirely and my thyroid slowly came up to normal again. 
> > >  
> > > I keep tabs my own blood tests and dexa scans thru a twice yearly program we have here in Pennsylvania where you can pay a fee to a social organization such as the American Veterans Asso, and they bring in lab people from the local hospital to take your blood and test it.  (They refer to this as “multiphasic testing, plus panels”.)  You can specify which tests you want.  They may not have this in South Africa, but you could ask around.  It costs me about $500 US/ year, but I’d have to pay over 5X that if I got the testing twice a year thru a doctor, not to mention his fees!  For instance, a dexa scan for osteoporosis costs $25 thru Am Vets, but over $250 thru the hospital!
> > >  
> > > I was hitting a stone wall on the chronic fatigue syndrome front, when I finally tried hydrogen supplements to replace the expensive NADH I had been on.  Then, I hit upon alkalizing my water, to help my pH get into an even better zone.  (Hydrogen supplements and alkalized water both work on the principal of raising pH.)  This, coupled with reintroducing the entire candida diet (and some actual natural anti-fungals and anti-biotics) began to work [so I suspect gut bugs might be a problem for some others with CFS, too], but still I could not get past a particular level of activity.  I could exercise 22 minutes at a time, but pushing beyond that always landed me in bed.  Finally I found a knowledgeable nutritionist who explained how to get past this:  I was to never allow myself to sweat or get out of breath while exercising, but just keep moving.  I followed his instructions to a “T”, and sometimes I literally took baby steps.  I used sips of
> > >  cold water and a cold compress scarf around my neck (called a “cool-dana”) when I started to heat up; and took smaller and smaller steps when my heart rate got too high and I began getting out of breath.  Within 2 years of following this way of exercising, I was able to walk 3+ miles/ day without any relapses.  Today, I can hike and bike 6 or 7 hours a day, with only minor fatigue for 2 or 3 days out.  I can and have gardened 9 hours straight with only minor residual fatigue.  I *DO* take periods to cool off and rest and rehydrate.  Hydrationâ€"with alkaline waterâ€"is very important to keeping my CFS under control.  I still follow the rules not to sweat or get out of breath when possible, and I am very successful at having NO residual fatigue when I do.  [Since I usually do activites with other people, tho, I also have to set myself at their pace, which sometimes means I sacrifice a bit to keep up.]
> > >  
> > > Another adjunct to helping get my CFS under control was using calcium AEP and pantethine together.  I have another health problem: autonomic nervous system disorder.  It is somehow connected with the adrenals (I believe the adrenals and the ANS communicate thru serotonin signaling, but, for me, the signaling goes amuck).  Calcium and pantethenic acid are 2 of the most important nutrients of the adrenal and lymphatic systems.  So, when I feel adrenal fatigue or ANS symptoms coming on (such as plummeting blood pressure, wonky heart rate, chills, sweats, soaring blood sugar (not connected with eating)….  I immediately take 2 cal AEP and 2 pantethine caps with a large glass of alkaline water every 20 or 30 minutes until my symptoms go away.  
> > >  
> > > One way that ES (electro-magnetic sensitivity) affects me is thru my ANS disorder.  In high emfs, my bp plummets, heart rate gets erratic, bs soars, I get chills and nauseous…..   I originally had to take huge amounts of the cal AEP and pantethine to help with ES, but then I found I can take less if I supplement with 2 or 3 cal AEP and 2 or 3 pantethine only twice a week with breakfast, and *on the same day* several hours later, take small amounts of manganese and taurine.  I came upon using this by looking for a way to close my tight junctions in my blood-brain-barrier, which *I* (no doc involved here) deduced were causing calcium to leak from my cells.  [I was dxed with tj bbb damage tho by a doctor (it is caused by celiac disease, which is classified as an ion channel disease, ie channelopathy disease).]  Because I was not dxed and treated for celiac disease for so long, I now have a leaky bbb (blood brain barrier) and tight junctions (tjs)
> > >  which do not close except with the help of added manganese and taurine.  I found this info (about manganese and taurine) thru reading tj research studies done on rabbits.  I tried it and it worked for me.  I do not recommend others replicate this without a good bit of study and understanding of what they are doing, however.  It is possible I have abnormal problems compared with other ESSERS.   Manganese can be a toxic metal if taken in too high doses.
> > >  
> > > This is the added info which I doubted Dr. Tennant had in his protocol which I offered to send.  Most of it is specific to CFS, not that everyone’s chronic fatigue will respond to the exact same things.  In summary:  try a rigid candida/ gut bug program, no glutens, no sugars, no yeasts; alkalize water and take hydrogen pills to bring your pH (and voltage) up to normal (this helps with serotonin abnormalities, as well); hydrate adequately; add cal AEP and pantethine if it is helpful; try manganese and taurine only as a last resort and if you are sure your body needs it; work on overcoming problems and blocks in exercise and strength training.
> > >  
> > > Today, my biggest health problems are MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity), chronic bronchial asthma, tremors, and my vitreous fluid in my eye is breaking down.  I am working on the vitreous problem by adding glucosamine and hyaluronic acid supplements.  I don’t know if this will be successful, but it beats waiting for a detached retina to happen.  ;)   
> > >  
> > > My chronic bronchial asthma now requires nothing but a rescue inhaler about 6 to 10 X/ year (but I am an avid avoider of all things smelly and chemical), tho when an asthma attack does come on, it can be badâ€"I get a lot of anaphylaxis with my asthma these days. 
> > >  
> > > I am still researching tremorsâ€"those appear to have a connection with GABAâ€"and this makes sense due to my tj dysfunction which, probably even with manganese and taurine intervention, perhaps is not 100%.  As a result, GABA likely leaks thru my bbb, which it is not supposed to do.  My tremors have improved, but sometimes are still terrible. 
> > >  
> > > MCS….  Well, this one has been a stump for me.  I have mast cell proliferation, but that appears to be stable (not still proliferating).  I have not been able to find anything but avoidance of all things chemical and smelly to help it.  Whatever has led to MCS has not budged with any of my many therapies I have tried or still do. 
> > >  
> > > ES could be worse for me in the future if the utilities are allowed to proliferate smart meters as they wish, but for now, it is a minor nuisance.  But I see the 4Ghz, 5Ghz…. progression and smart meters as a new problem to prepare for. 
> > >  
> > > I hope you don’t have all my health problems, but if you do, I wish you much luck in curing and helping them!  I have been very successful on a whole, I think.  My lifestyle will never be normal in this world (but is it me who is abnormal or the way others live?  I live exactly as people for centuries lived!)  I remember that everyday and hold onto the blessings I have.  I believe we are built to overcome and heal and be healthy.  So I believe we should never give up searching for ways to heal. 
> > >  
> > > I have read your posts at the ES forum and know how hard your life has become.  Take heart; we may have to fight to get there, but healing is out there with your name on it, Kikkie!  Never give up.  I believe also that this “civilization” will not go on much longer in its present rush to destroy the Earth.  Sooner or later the Earth is going to rebel.  Things might be bad for awhile, but in the end the Creator and Earth will have their way.  We can only collectively hope this will be soon.
> > >  
> > > My best to you and your children; if there is anything I can help you with, please ask.
> > > Diane/ Evie
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 10/22/10, kikkie2004 <kirsty.weight@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: kikkie2004 <kirsty.weight@>
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: ES under control Diane
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 6:25 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Diane
> > >
> > > Many thanks for your reply.
> > >
> > > I'm glad to hear that some people's ES gets much better, that's something to look forward to.
> > >
> > > I'm moving to a farm tomorow for a few weeks, and if it goes well, I'll move there on a long term basis. The house I'll be staying in seems good re EMF. There is cell phone coverage, but at least it should be much less than where I stay now. I'll be helping the farmer with admin work (minimum PC etc and no fluorescents) half day in return for the accommodation. So really a good thing if it all works well.
> > >
> > > I am also gluten free and don't have it in the house either. Although I do succumb to it once in a blue moon, and also accidentally get it in when I (rarely) eat out, as it's in everything. The moment I have any, my stomach gets upset, my throat burns and it affects me mentally as well.
> > >
> > > I'll look into Dr Tennant's protocol as well, I can't find his site googling. My diet isn't very nutritious, I react so much to food, and especially to salicylates, that I pretty much eat (organic) meat and white rice. I do supplement some with Cellfood and other stuff though (must look into hydrogen supplements as well).
> > >
> > > Yes, I would love more information.
> > >
> > > Thanks again
> > > K
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Kikkie,
> > > >  
> > > > Welcome to the group!  I hope you find the help you seek.
> > > >  
> > > > I do almost the same things as Marc, plus some stuff of my own.  I have minimal ES now, but I still practice avoidance when possible.  Especially, I have been better since detoxing my bone-marrow thru homeopathy (I just eluded to that in another email so won't go further on that topic).  I also have worked on supplementation and nutrient loading thru eating healthier and organically.  For me, personally, I could not have gotten anywhere if I had not gone completely gluten-free (and I mean 0 gluten--none in health/ beauty products, none in home, I avoid restaurants and processed foods due to contaminated manufacturing lines.  I even avoid airborne glutens.  O glutens, period).  That was how I recovered from fibromyalgia and CFS, too.  There were also gut flora issues I had to address, plus raising my pH to recover from CFS.  Long story, but if you want to know more I can share privately.  (But since I am
> > >  not often online, lately, if you
> > > > miss me, know SOME DAY you will hear from me, but don't hold your breathe or you will surely pass-out!  ;)   I am behind on about 200 emails right now.)   Pretty much, I just do the normal anti- parasitic (fungi, bacteria, virus, etc) diet and "germicidals" (natural parasitic killers) and follow anti-candida protocols.  I used hydrogen supplements and alkaline water and foods to raise my pH. 
> > > >  
> > > > I also avoid eating sugars and sugar-alcohols.  While I don't go as crazy with this as with the gluten, it helps when I am zero sugars.  I work at raising my pH to between 7.35 and 7.50, and as Snoshoe and Stephen here will tell you, that also means my cell voltage is then also correct, which is also a good thing!  ;)  (Thankyou Snoshoe and Stephen for enlightening me!)  I pretty much follow Dr Tennant's protocol to a T.  (By accident--I didn't know I followed a protocol until Stephen sent me a 86? page excerpt from the Tennant book, which I think is accessible on-line at his site.)  So if you need more info on what I do, reading his book or the 80+ pg excerpt should explain it better than I would.  I don't have the site address where the excerpt is, but ask if you want it and Stephen (thanks, Stephen), will probably be kind and send it to you.  :)  If you have thyroid, adrenal, or liver disease, you need to work
> > >  on targeted supplements to
> > > > those.  Again, you can ask me privately if you need more help.  I also have autonomic nervous system disorder and that is how emfs most present themselves with me lately.  But even that is much better since doing detoxing, etc. 
> > > >  
> > > > Good luck.  I hope you find the help you need,
> > > > Diane
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Marc Martin <marc@>
> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] ES under control
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:00 AM
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> > > > > How have you got your ES under control?
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> > > > By trying everything possible and continuing to use most everything that
> > > > I've found to be helpful. For example:
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> > > > -- using a few select EMF protection devices
> > > > -- "easy" alterations of EMF environment (move some things further away
> > > > from me, switch to old-fashion technology in some cases -- incandescent
> > > > lightbulbs, wired phones, wired internet, monochrome-screen cellphone)
> > > > -- changing diet to one loaded with nutrients (minimal junk food)
> > > > -- supplements to help rebuild my adrenal glands
> > > > -- supplements to help detoxify heavy metals / chemicals
> > > > -- some anti-oxidant & mineral & vitamin supplements
> > > > -- replacing all metal dental work with non-metal
> > > > -- reducing the amount of metal worn (including eyeglasses, watches, belt buckles)
> > > > -- non-metal bed (frame, mattress) helps
> > > > -- static-dissipative shoes *might* help
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> > > > Some have reported being completely cured by completing a heavy metal detox,
> > > > so this is what I'm pursuing as a long-term solution. However, a complete
> > > > heavy metal detox can take many years for some people... depends on how
> > > > fast you can tolerate getting that stuff out of your system.
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> Hi Stephen
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> I don't remember when last I slept in a tent, so can't answer that one.   Not too much outside either..I know all that sounds rather depressing...
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> I can definitely feel the EMF outside as well in my garden where I'm living now.  I've tested the house with the Trifield meter, it's not really making EMF.  For RF I only have the AM radio to test, and it's quiet too.  
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> There's lots of telephone wires on the border of the garden, and across the dirt road lots of power lines, I don't know how high voltage they are.  They're the only other culprits I can think of.
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> The farmer said some of neighbouring farmers have put 'stuff' up to get wi-fi, but my cell phone doesn't pick any of these up, so I don't know how strong they are.  
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> Which sort of led me to the conclusion that it's the cell and TV tower on that hill (don't know whether there's anything else up there as well).  I know 2 miles is far, but there's nothing between them and my bedroom window, I can see them from there. Actually all the main windows face that way.  
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> But something there is definitely affecting me there more than in the city, it feels like my skin is actually burning all the time.And I get all my other symptoms as well, such as insomnia, feeling low in blood sugar, and having to go to the loo every 5 minutes. So I'm feeling rather in despair about all of this.
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> Glad you liked SA?  Where are you, I might have been there myself.
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> Regards
> K
>
> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >
> > Kikkie, do you feel better when walking outside, or sleeping in a tent, away from electricity or low freq. emf?
> >
> > 2 miles away from cell phone tower is quite far I would say (although the mountains can play a role here...), still I know it's enough to bother me. I can't stand 3G in most countries, even when I'm in the middle of nowhere. Although my energy has gone down in the past 3 years, at least my ES for 3G has gotten much better, but still a long way to go.
> >
> > I remember 4 years ago in Netherlands I couldn't even stay in that country for 8 hours or so, now I think may be able to survive even a couple of days there! Awesome! ;-)
> >
> > Similar improvements in other countries or in some local wifi city networks I know of here in Belgium...
> >
> > Have got fond memories of South Africa in 2000 by the way... Such a beautiful country...
> >
> > Stephen.
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> > --- In [hidden email], "kikkie2004" <kirsty.weight@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Diane
> > >
> > > Many thanks for your reply, it must have taken you ages to type; I really very much appreciate it.
> > > Thought I would also reply here (despite you having wanted to send it privately, I'm sure there's lots of info there that might help others as well.
> > >
> > > Yes, I've also had tons of health problems as well. Also was a sickly, colicky baby. I was so terribly allergic to everything, that my mother had to feed me rice and goat's milk until I was about two. And I never felt well, nor could I concentrate. At age ten my mother was taking me to doctors, but they could never find anything wrong.  After school I got diagnosed with brucellosis, rickettsia, mycoplasma, candida, etc. But the antibiotics gave me severe die-off reactions, but never solved the problem.  
> > >
> > > A blood test for celiac was negative, but I know I have it, as the slightest expososure (including in shampoos or watever) give me severe reactions.  I mostly avoid it, but sometimes do get into contact with it(whether accidentally or on purpose).
> > >
> > > I've asked Stephen to forward me the tennant protocol (I haven't logged into this group myself for two weeks).  I eat mostly meat and white rice due to severe food allergies, so I can quite imagine I'm severely nutrient deficient as well as acidic.  Unfortunately I seem to have rather bad reactions to all these things.
> > >
> > > You can get a thymus gland glandular at www.enzymeprocess.com, which I've used, maybe it'll help you?  I cant' really remember what it did, since it was some time ago and part of a whole protocol.
> > >
> > > I will definitely try all the things you suggested, I also have come to the conclusion that leaking cells and leaking blood brain barrier is at the root of all this.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile the whole EMF problem is doing my head in. I've moved to a farm and my skin burns there constantly.  There's a TV and cell phone mast on a hill about two miles from my house, but I can see them from my room, so they're in direct view without any obstruction whatsoever.  It just seems so inexcapable.  And that's not even getting to going into stores or near other peoples' mobile phones or radios being switched on near me, etc.  I feel like such a bizarre hypocondriac when I have to explain these things to people.
> > >
> > > Anyway, thanks again for your advice and kind words.
> > >
> > > Kikkie
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Kikkie,
> > > >  
> > > > Sorry it took so long for me to get back to you.  That is why I asked Stephen to send you the Dr. Tennant 80+ page protocol.  I knew that would have enough info in it to keep you reading for quite awhile!  Lol  Did you receive that info from Stephen?  If not, I can send it.  Just ask.
> > > >  
> > > > I didn’t know about Dr. Tennant and his work until Snoshoe at the forum mentioned it to me (I think last year).  But I still hadn’t read his book excerpt until Stephen sent it to me about 2 months ago.  It is almost exactly all the things I have done, so it makes much more sense for you to follow it, than it makes for me to try to explain what I’ve done.  (I’d be forever cranking out 80+ pages.  Lol) 
> > > >  
> > > > A bit of background on me:  I was ill from infancy.  I was dxed (diagnosed) with failure to thrive as a child--we know now I had celiac disease from infancy.  But, as I grew, many doctors began calling me neurotic, malingering, varying degrees of attention getting and crazy….  I could never understand this since I felt so ill.  But it was true, I actually LOOKED better ill than I ultimately look well!  Lol  I had dark hair and a clear white porcelain complexion.   I nearly died countless times from anemias of various types, which was why I had such a perfect colorless complexion!  Lol   Even my pimples couldn’t turn red.  ;)  But even then doctors didn’t seem to get that there was a major problem going on.  From the first time I nearly died from pernicious anemia, they gave me grief for not eating well!   Yet, when I’d eat liver or something high in iron, I almost always got jaundice from too much iron circulating in my
> > > >  bloodstream, mucking up my liver, and not getting to my cells.  In time, my liver was damaged and by the time I was in my late 20s, I was dxed with cirrhosis of the liver and told I’d likely die within a year.  The doctor told me I should be ashamed of myself for my bad lifestyle of drugs, alcohol, and loose living!  I had to bring in family members to explain to him I did none of those things.  To this doctor’s credit, he then believed them and me, and began really digging in to help me.  This was the first time in my life, any doctor really TRIED to figure out what was wrong.
> > > >  
> > > > This doctor was a Godsend and he believed, although he was a trained M.D., in alternative medicine, because “regular medicine rarely cures anything” (his words).  [He also said, “If man made it, don’t eat/use it.”  He was indeed a man beyond his times!]  He worked with me for over 2 years before I began responding to the treatments fully.  Ultimately, it was a thymus and other glandular extract that was responsible for getting me entirely on my feet (I was nearly completely bed-bound when I went to him.)   But he did many other treatments which helped in various ways: super-supplementation (nutrients at their top limits), candida/gut flora diet, treating pre-diabetic hypoglycemia with diet (other docs had dxed me in my teens, but then did not instruct me how to eat), and even chelation therapy to help shed toxins!  But what neither of us knew was I had celiac disease under-lying everything that was wrong with me.   The candida diet,
> > > >  which called for a gluten-free diet, was at that time, supposed to be a 5 year program and after 5 years, I would go back to a more normal diet.  Plus, we also didn’t deal with gluten contamination, nor was I aware of many things, such as condiments, which contained glutens in small amounts, so I would often become quite ill “out of the blue” and we never figured out why.  But, this periodâ€"my early 30sâ€"was as close as I ever had been to normal health my entire life.  I still had serious problems and painâ€"endometriosis, fibromyalgia, migraines, and tmj… but life was good.  ;)  However this doctor died just after my fifth year with him (he actually died of chelation therapy which he was doing on himself).  I could no longer get the glandular he had made up especially for me and I was no longer on the nearly gf candida diet.  So within 3 or 4 years, my health slowly deteriorated again.  And even tho I knew what this doc did to make me
> > > >  well, I could not find a doctor to replicate his treatments.  This was ultimately what led me to taking my own health into my own hands. 
> > > >  
> > > > As I inched closer and closer to being bed-bound again from CFS and CD (and nearly dying yet again from liver disease and anemias), I was slowly learning to implement most of what I learned from this wonderful doctor, but I couldn’t figure out how to make his glandular!  And, as time progressed, more and more foods now contained (unbeknownst to me) hidden glutens.  So it was almost a losing battle.  After 13 years almost completely bed-ridden (except for about 45 minutes to 1½ hour a day), I was dxed with terminal carcinoid cancer and finally sent to a gastroenterologist.  It was then I was FINALLY dxed with celiac disease at the age of 49!  The cancer was a mis-dx (or at least, 11 years later I am still here!  Lol) 
> > > >  
> > > > After my dx with celiac disease, it was not a rocket to the top of health, either.  4 years into the diet, I was still only able to accomplish 3 or 4 hours of light activity/ day due to CFS.  However, when I finally figured out I needed a totally gf lifestyle (including gf skin care and no airborne glutens), my fibromyalgia suddenly disappeared.  Also, I was able to successfully treat my liver disease, anemia, and osteoporosis.  My thyroid temporarily got bad again (due to too much soy in my diet).  I treated it with OTC Armour extract, and when I couldn’t get that, I used another OTC pig’s glandular.  But, ultimately, I realized soy use was affecting my thyroid and was able to cut it out entirely and my thyroid slowly came up to normal again. 
> > > >  
> > > > I keep tabs my own blood tests and dexa scans thru a twice yearly program we have here in Pennsylvania where you can pay a fee to a social organization such as the American Veterans Asso, and they bring in lab people from the local hospital to take your blood and test it.  (They refer to this as “multiphasic testing, plus panels”.)  You can specify which tests you want.  They may not have this in South Africa, but you could ask around.  It costs me about $500 US/ year, but I’d have to pay over 5X that if I got the testing twice a year thru a doctor, not to mention his fees!  For instance, a dexa scan for osteoporosis costs $25 thru Am Vets, but over $250 thru the hospital!
> > > >  
> > > > I was hitting a stone wall on the chronic fatigue syndrome front, when I finally tried hydrogen supplements to replace the expensive NADH I had been on.  Then, I hit upon alkalizing my water, to help my pH get into an even better zone.  (Hydrogen supplements and alkalized water both work on the principal of raising pH.)  This, coupled with reintroducing the entire candida diet (and some actual natural anti-fungals and anti-biotics) began to work [so I suspect gut bugs might be a problem for some others with CFS, too], but still I could not get past a particular level of activity.  I could exercise 22 minutes at a time, but pushing beyond that always landed me in bed.  Finally I found a knowledgeable nutritionist who explained how to get past this:  I was to never allow myself to sweat or get out of breath while exercising, but just keep moving.  I followed his instructions to a “T”, and sometimes I literally took baby steps.  I used sips of
> > > >  cold water and a cold compress scarf around my neck (called a “cool-dana”) when I started to heat up; and took smaller and smaller steps when my heart rate got too high and I began getting out of breath.  Within 2 years of following this way of exercising, I was able to walk 3+ miles/ day without any relapses.  Today, I can hike and bike 6 or 7 hours a day, with only minor fatigue for 2 or 3 days out.  I can and have gardened 9 hours straight with only minor residual fatigue.  I *DO* take periods to cool off and rest and rehydrate.  Hydrationâ€"with alkaline waterâ€"is very important to keeping my CFS under control.  I still follow the rules not to sweat or get out of breath when possible, and I am very successful at having NO residual fatigue when I do.  [Since I usually do activites with other people, tho, I also have to set myself at their pace, which sometimes means I sacrifice a bit to keep up.]
> > > >  
> > > > Another adjunct to helping get my CFS under control was using calcium AEP and pantethine together.  I have another health problem: autonomic nervous system disorder.  It is somehow connected with the adrenals (I believe the adrenals and the ANS communicate thru serotonin signaling, but, for me, the signaling goes amuck).  Calcium and pantethenic acid are 2 of the most important nutrients of the adrenal and lymphatic systems.  So, when I feel adrenal fatigue or ANS symptoms coming on (such as plummeting blood pressure, wonky heart rate, chills, sweats, soaring blood sugar (not connected with eating)….  I immediately take 2 cal AEP and 2 pantethine caps with a large glass of alkaline water every 20 or 30 minutes until my symptoms go away.  
> > > >  
> > > > One way that ES (electro-magnetic sensitivity) affects me is thru my ANS disorder.  In high emfs, my bp plummets, heart rate gets erratic, bs soars, I get chills and nauseous…..   I originally had to take huge amounts of the cal AEP and pantethine to help with ES, but then I found I can take less if I supplement with 2 or 3 cal AEP and 2 or 3 pantethine only twice a week with breakfast, and *on the same day* several hours later, take small amounts of manganese and taurine.  I came upon using this by looking for a way to close my tight junctions in my blood-brain-barrier, which *I* (no doc involved here) deduced were causing calcium to leak from my cells.  [I was dxed with tj bbb damage tho by a doctor (it is caused by celiac disease, which is classified as an ion channel disease, ie channelopathy disease).]  Because I was not dxed and treated for celiac disease for so long, I now have a leaky bbb (blood brain barrier) and tight junctions (tjs)
> > > >  which do not close except with the help of added manganese and taurine.  I found this info (about manganese and taurine) thru reading tj research studies done on rabbits.  I tried it and it worked for me.  I do not recommend others replicate this without a good bit of study and understanding of what they are doing, however.  It is possible I have abnormal problems compared with other ESSERS.   Manganese can be a toxic metal if taken in too high doses.
> > > >  
> > > > This is the added info which I doubted Dr. Tennant had in his protocol which I offered to send.  Most of it is specific to CFS, not that everyone’s chronic fatigue will respond to the exact same things.  In summary:  try a rigid candida/ gut bug program, no glutens, no sugars, no yeasts; alkalize water and take hydrogen pills to bring your pH (and voltage) up to normal (this helps with serotonin abnormalities, as well); hydrate adequately; add cal AEP and pantethine if it is helpful; try manganese and taurine only as a last resort and if you are sure your body needs it; work on overcoming problems and blocks in exercise and strength training.
> > > >  
> > > > Today, my biggest health problems are MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity), chronic bronchial asthma, tremors, and my vitreous fluid in my eye is breaking down.  I am working on the vitreous problem by adding glucosamine and hyaluronic acid supplements.  I don’t know if this will be successful, but it beats waiting for a detached retina to happen.  ;)   
> > > >  
> > > > My chronic bronchial asthma now requires nothing but a rescue inhaler about 6 to 10 X/ year (but I am an avid avoider of all things smelly and chemical), tho when an asthma attack does come on, it can be badâ€"I get a lot of anaphylaxis with my asthma these days. 
> > > >  
> > > > I am still researching tremorsâ€"those appear to have a connection with GABAâ€"and this makes sense due to my tj dysfunction which, probably even with manganese and taurine intervention, perhaps is not 100%.  As a result, GABA likely leaks thru my bbb, which it is not supposed to do.  My tremors have improved, but sometimes are still terrible. 
> > > >  
> > > > MCS….  Well, this one has been a stump for me.  I have mast cell proliferation, but that appears to be stable (not still proliferating).  I have not been able to find anything but avoidance of all things chemical and smelly to help it.  Whatever has led to MCS has not budged with any of my many therapies I have tried or still do. 
> > > >  
> > > > ES could be worse for me in the future if the utilities are allowed to proliferate smart meters as they wish, but for now, it is a minor nuisance.  But I see the 4Ghz, 5Ghz…. progression and smart meters as a new problem to prepare for. 
> > > >  
> > > > I hope you don’t have all my health problems, but if you do, I wish you much luck in curing and helping them!  I have been very successful on a whole, I think.  My lifestyle will never be normal in this world (but is it me who is abnormal or the way others live?  I live exactly as people for centuries lived!)  I remember that everyday and hold onto the blessings I have.  I believe we are built to overcome and heal and be healthy.  So I believe we should never give up searching for ways to heal. 
> > > >  
> > > > I have read your posts at the ES forum and know how hard your life has become.  Take heart; we may have to fight to get there, but healing is out there with your name on it, Kikkie!  Never give up.  I believe also that this “civilization” will not go on much longer in its present rush to destroy the Earth.  Sooner or later the Earth is going to rebel.  Things might be bad for awhile, but in the end the Creator and Earth will have their way.  We can only collectively hope this will be soon.
> > > >  
> > > > My best to you and your children; if there is anything I can help you with, please ask.
> > > > Diane/ Evie
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 10/22/10, kikkie2004 <kirsty.weight@> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > From: kikkie2004 <kirsty.weight@>
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: ES under control Diane
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 6:25 AM
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> > > > Hi Diane
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> > > > Many thanks for your reply.
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> > > > I'm glad to hear that some people's ES gets much better, that's something to look forward to.
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> > > > I'm moving to a farm tomorow for a few weeks, and if it goes well, I'll move there on a long term basis. The house I'll be staying in seems good re EMF. There is cell phone coverage, but at least it should be much less than where I stay now. I'll be helping the farmer with admin work (minimum PC etc and no fluorescents) half day in return for the accommodation. So really a good thing if it all works well.
> > > >
> > > > I am also gluten free and don't have it in the house either. Although I do succumb to it once in a blue moon, and also accidentally get it in when I (rarely) eat out, as it's in everything. The moment I have any, my stomach gets upset, my throat burns and it affects me mentally as well.
> > > >
> > > > I'll look into Dr Tennant's protocol as well, I can't find his site googling. My diet isn't very nutritious, I react so much to food, and especially to salicylates, that I pretty much eat (organic) meat and white rice. I do supplement some with Cellfood and other stuff though (must look into hydrogen supplements as well).
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I would love more information.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again
> > > > K
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Kikkie,
> > > > >  
> > > > > Welcome to the group!  I hope you find the help you seek.
> > > > >  
> > > > > I do almost the same things as Marc, plus some stuff of my own.  I have minimal ES now, but I still practice avoidance when possible.  Especially, I have been better since detoxing my bone-marrow thru homeopathy (I just eluded to that in another email so won't go further on that topic).  I also have worked on supplementation and nutrient loading thru eating healthier and organically.  For me, personally, I could not have gotten anywhere if I had not gone completely gluten-free (and I mean 0 gluten--none in health/ beauty products, none in home, I avoid restaurants and processed foods due to contaminated manufacturing lines.  I even avoid airborne glutens.  O glutens, period).  That was how I recovered from fibromyalgia and CFS, too.  There were also gut flora issues I had to address, plus raising my pH to recover from CFS.  Long story, but if you want to know more I can share privately.  (But since I am
> > > >  not often online, lately, if you
> > > > > miss me, know SOME DAY you will hear from me, but don't hold your breathe or you will surely pass-out!  ;)   I am behind on about 200 emails right now.)   Pretty much, I just do the normal anti- parasitic (fungi, bacteria, virus, etc) diet and "germicidals" (natural parasitic killers) and follow anti-candida protocols.  I used hydrogen supplements and alkaline water and foods to raise my pH. 
> > > > >  
> > > > > I also avoid eating sugars and sugar-alcohols.  While I don't go as crazy with this as with the gluten, it helps when I am zero sugars.  I work at raising my pH to between 7.35 and 7.50, and as Snoshoe and Stephen here will tell you, that also means my cell voltage is then also correct, which is also a good thing!  ;)  (Thankyou Snoshoe and Stephen for enlightening me!)  I pretty much follow Dr Tennant's protocol to a T.  (By accident--I didn't know I followed a protocol until Stephen sent me a 86? page excerpt from the Tennant book, which I think is accessible on-line at his site.)  So if you need more info on what I do, reading his book or the 80+ pg excerpt should explain it better than I would.  I don't have the site address where the excerpt is, but ask if you want it and Stephen (thanks, Stephen), will probably be kind and send it to you.  :)  If you have thyroid, adrenal, or liver disease, you need to work
> > > >  on targeted supplements to
> > > > > those.  Again, you can ask me privately if you need more help.  I also have autonomic nervous system disorder and that is how emfs most present themselves with me lately.  But even that is much better since doing detoxing, etc. 
> > > > >  
> > > > > Good luck.  I hope you find the help you need,
> > > > > Diane
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> > > > > --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote:
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> > > > > From: Marc Martin <marc@>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] ES under control
> > > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:00 AM
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> > > > > > How have you got your ES under control?
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> > > > > By trying everything possible and continuing to use most everything that
> > > > > I've found to be helpful. For example:
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> > > > > -- using a few select EMF protection devices
> > > > > -- "easy" alterations of EMF environment (move some things further away
> > > > > from me, switch to old-fashion technology in some cases -- incandescent
> > > > > lightbulbs, wired phones, wired internet, monochrome-screen cellphone)
> > > > > -- changing diet to one loaded with nutrients (minimal junk food)
> > > > > -- supplements to help rebuild my adrenal glands
> > > > > -- supplements to help detoxify heavy metals / chemicals
> > > > > -- some anti-oxidant & mineral & vitamin supplements
> > > > > -- replacing all metal dental work with non-metal
> > > > > -- reducing the amount of metal worn (including eyeglasses, watches, belt buckles)
> > > > > -- non-metal bed (frame, mattress) helps
> > > > > -- static-dissipative shoes *might* help
> > > > >
> > > > > Some have reported being completely cured by completing a heavy metal detox,
> > > > > so this is what I'm pursuing as a long-term solution. However, a complete
> > > > > heavy metal detox can take many years for some people... depends on how
> > > > > fast you can tolerate getting that stuff out of your system.
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> Hi Stephen
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> I don't remember when last I slept in a tent, so can't answer that one.   Not too much outside either..I know all that sounds rather depressing...
>
> I can definitely feel the EMF outside as well in my garden where I'm living now.  I've tested the house with the Trifield meter, it's not really making EMF.  For RF I only have the AM radio to test, and it's quiet too.  
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> There's lots of telephone wires on the border of the garden, and across the dirt road lots of power lines, I don't know how high voltage they are.  They're the only other culprits I can think of.
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> The farmer said some of neighbouring farmers have put 'stuff' up to get wi-fi, but my cell phone doesn't pick any of these up, so I don't know how strong they are.  
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> Which sort of led me to the conclusion that it's the cell and TV tower on that hill (don't know whether there's anything else up there as well).  I know 2 miles is far, but there's nothing between them and my bedroom window, I can see them from there. Actually all the main windows face that way.  
>
> But something there is definitely affecting me there more than in the city, it feels like my skin is actually burning all the time.And I get all my other symptoms as well, such as insomnia, feeling low in blood sugar, and having to go to the loo every 5 minutes. So I'm feeling rather in despair about all of this.
>
> Glad you liked SA?  Where are you, I might have been there myself.
>
> Regards
> K
>
> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >
> > Kikkie, do you feel better when walking outside, or sleeping in a tent, away from electricity or low freq. emf?
> >
> > 2 miles away from cell phone tower is quite far I would say (although the mountains can play a role here...), still I know it's enough to bother me. I can't stand 3G in most countries, even when I'm in the middle of nowhere. Although my energy has gone down in the past 3 years, at least my ES for 3G has gotten much better, but still a long way to go.
> >
> > I remember 4 years ago in Netherlands I couldn't even stay in that country for 8 hours or so, now I think may be able to survive even a couple of days there! Awesome! ;-)
> >
> > Similar improvements in other countries or in some local wifi city networks I know of here in Belgium...
> >
> > Have got fond memories of South Africa in 2000 by the way... Such a beautiful country...
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "kikkie2004" <kirsty.weight@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Diane
> > >
> > > Many thanks for your reply, it must have taken you ages to type; I really very much appreciate it.
> > > Thought I would also reply here (despite you having wanted to send it privately, I'm sure there's lots of info there that might help others as well.
> > >
> > > Yes, I've also had tons of health problems as well. Also was a sickly, colicky baby. I was so terribly allergic to everything, that my mother had to feed me rice and goat's milk until I was about two. And I never felt well, nor could I concentrate. At age ten my mother was taking me to doctors, but they could never find anything wrong.  After school I got diagnosed with brucellosis, rickettsia, mycoplasma, candida, etc. But the antibiotics gave me severe die-off reactions, but never solved the problem.  
> > >
> > > A blood test for celiac was negative, but I know I have it, as the slightest expososure (including in shampoos or watever) give me severe reactions.  I mostly avoid it, but sometimes do get into contact with it(whether accidentally or on purpose).
> > >
> > > I've asked Stephen to forward me the tennant protocol (I haven't logged into this group myself for two weeks).  I eat mostly meat and white rice due to severe food allergies, so I can quite imagine I'm severely nutrient deficient as well as acidic.  Unfortunately I seem to have rather bad reactions to all these things.
> > >
> > > You can get a thymus gland glandular at www.enzymeprocess.com, which I've used, maybe it'll help you?  I cant' really remember what it did, since it was some time ago and part of a whole protocol.
> > >
> > > I will definitely try all the things you suggested, I also have come to the conclusion that leaking cells and leaking blood brain barrier is at the root of all this.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile the whole EMF problem is doing my head in. I've moved to a farm and my skin burns there constantly.  There's a TV and cell phone mast on a hill about two miles from my house, but I can see them from my room, so they're in direct view without any obstruction whatsoever.  It just seems so inexcapable.  And that's not even getting to going into stores or near other peoples' mobile phones or radios being switched on near me, etc.  I feel like such a bizarre hypocondriac when I have to explain these things to people.
> > >
> > > Anyway, thanks again for your advice and kind words.
> > >
> > > Kikkie
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Kikkie,
> > > >  
> > > > Sorry it took so long for me to get back to you.  That is why I asked Stephen to send you the Dr. Tennant 80+ page protocol.  I knew that would have enough info in it to keep you reading for quite awhile!  Lol  Did you receive that info from Stephen?  If not, I can send it.  Just ask.
> > > >  
> > > > I didn’t know about Dr. Tennant and his work until Snoshoe at the forum mentioned it to me (I think last year).  But I still hadn’t read his book excerpt until Stephen sent it to me about 2 months ago.  It is almost exactly all the things I have done, so it makes much more sense for you to follow it, than it makes for me to try to explain what I’ve done.  (I’d be forever cranking out 80+ pages.  Lol) 
> > > >  
> > > > A bit of background on me:  I was ill from infancy.  I was dxed (diagnosed) with failure to thrive as a child--we know now I had celiac disease from infancy.  But, as I grew, many doctors began calling me neurotic, malingering, varying degrees of attention getting and crazy….  I could never understand this since I felt so ill.  But it was true, I actually LOOKED better ill than I ultimately look well!  Lol  I had dark hair and a clear white porcelain complexion.   I nearly died countless times from anemias of various types, which was why I had such a perfect colorless complexion!  Lol   Even my pimples couldn’t turn red.  ;)  But even then doctors didn’t seem to get that there was a major problem going on.  From the first time I nearly died from pernicious anemia, they gave me grief for not eating well!   Yet, when I’d eat liver or something high in iron, I almost always got jaundice from too much iron circulating in my
> > > >  bloodstream, mucking up my liver, and not getting to my cells.  In time, my liver was damaged and by the time I was in my late 20s, I was dxed with cirrhosis of the liver and told I’d likely die within a year.  The doctor told me I should be ashamed of myself for my bad lifestyle of drugs, alcohol, and loose living!  I had to bring in family members to explain to him I did none of those things.  To this doctor’s credit, he then believed them and me, and began really digging in to help me.  This was the first time in my life, any doctor really TRIED to figure out what was wrong.
> > > >  
> > > > This doctor was a Godsend and he believed, although he was a trained M.D., in alternative medicine, because “regular medicine rarely cures anything” (his words).  [He also said, “If man made it, don’t eat/use it.”  He was indeed a man beyond his times!]  He worked with me for over 2 years before I began responding to the treatments fully.  Ultimately, it was a thymus and other glandular extract that was responsible for getting me entirely on my feet (I was nearly completely bed-bound when I went to him.)   But he did many other treatments which helped in various ways: super-supplementation (nutrients at their top limits), candida/gut flora diet, treating pre-diabetic hypoglycemia with diet (other docs had dxed me in my teens, but then did not instruct me how to eat), and even chelation therapy to help shed toxins!  But what neither of us knew was I had celiac disease under-lying everything that was wrong with me.   The candida diet,
> > > >  which called for a gluten-free diet, was at that time, supposed to be a 5 year program and after 5 years, I would go back to a more normal diet.  Plus, we also didn’t deal with gluten contamination, nor was I aware of many things, such as condiments, which contained glutens in small amounts, so I would often become quite ill “out of the blue” and we never figured out why.  But, this periodâ€"my early 30sâ€"was as close as I ever had been to normal health my entire life.  I still had serious problems and painâ€"endometriosis, fibromyalgia, migraines, and tmj… but life was good.  ;)  However this doctor died just after my fifth year with him (he actually died of chelation therapy which he was doing on himself).  I could no longer get the glandular he had made up especially for me and I was no longer on the nearly gf candida diet.  So within 3 or 4 years, my health slowly deteriorated again.  And even tho I knew what this doc did to make me
> > > >  well, I could not find a doctor to replicate his treatments.  This was ultimately what led me to taking my own health into my own hands. 
> > > >  
> > > > As I inched closer and closer to being bed-bound again from CFS and CD (and nearly dying yet again from liver disease and anemias), I was slowly learning to implement most of what I learned from this wonderful doctor, but I couldn’t figure out how to make his glandular!  And, as time progressed, more and more foods now contained (unbeknownst to me) hidden glutens.  So it was almost a losing battle.  After 13 years almost completely bed-ridden (except for about 45 minutes to 1½ hour a day), I was dxed with terminal carcinoid cancer and finally sent to a gastroenterologist.  It was then I was FINALLY dxed with celiac disease at the age of 49!  The cancer was a mis-dx (or at least, 11 years later I am still here!  Lol) 
> > > >  
> > > > After my dx with celiac disease, it was not a rocket to the top of health, either.  4 years into the diet, I was still only able to accomplish 3 or 4 hours of light activity/ day due to CFS.  However, when I finally figured out I needed a totally gf lifestyle (including gf skin care and no airborne glutens), my fibromyalgia suddenly disappeared.  Also, I was able to successfully treat my liver disease, anemia, and osteoporosis.  My thyroid temporarily got bad again (due to too much soy in my diet).  I treated it with OTC Armour extract, and when I couldn’t get that, I used another OTC pig’s glandular.  But, ultimately, I realized soy use was affecting my thyroid and was able to cut it out entirely and my thyroid slowly came up to normal again. 
> > > >  
> > > > I keep tabs my own blood tests and dexa scans thru a twice yearly program we have here in Pennsylvania where you can pay a fee to a social organization such as the American Veterans Asso, and they bring in lab people from the local hospital to take your blood and test it.  (They refer to this as “multiphasic testing, plus panels”.)  You can specify which tests you want.  They may not have this in South Africa, but you could ask around.  It costs me about $500 US/ year, but I’d have to pay over 5X that if I got the testing twice a year thru a doctor, not to mention his fees!  For instance, a dexa scan for osteoporosis costs $25 thru Am Vets, but over $250 thru the hospital!
> > > >  
> > > > I was hitting a stone wall on the chronic fatigue syndrome front, when I finally tried hydrogen supplements to replace the expensive NADH I had been on.  Then, I hit upon alkalizing my water, to help my pH get into an even better zone.  (Hydrogen supplements and alkalized water both work on the principal of raising pH.)  This, coupled with reintroducing the entire candida diet (and some actual natural anti-fungals and anti-biotics) began to work [so I suspect gut bugs might be a problem for some others with CFS, too], but still I could not get past a particular level of activity.  I could exercise 22 minutes at a time, but pushing beyond that always landed me in bed.  Finally I found a knowledgeable nutritionist who explained how to get past this:  I was to never allow myself to sweat or get out of breath while exercising, but just keep moving.  I followed his instructions to a “T”, and sometimes I literally took baby steps.  I used sips of
> > > >  cold water and a cold compress scarf around my neck (called a “cool-dana”) when I started to heat up; and took smaller and smaller steps when my heart rate got too high and I began getting out of breath.  Within 2 years of following this way of exercising, I was able to walk 3+ miles/ day without any relapses.  Today, I can hike and bike 6 or 7 hours a day, with only minor fatigue for 2 or 3 days out.  I can and have gardened 9 hours straight with only minor residual fatigue.  I *DO* take periods to cool off and rest and rehydrate.  Hydrationâ€"with alkaline waterâ€"is very important to keeping my CFS under control.  I still follow the rules not to sweat or get out of breath when possible, and I am very successful at having NO residual fatigue when I do.  [Since I usually do activites with other people, tho, I also have to set myself at their pace, which sometimes means I sacrifice a bit to keep up.]
> > > >  
> > > > Another adjunct to helping get my CFS under control was using calcium AEP and pantethine together.  I have another health problem: autonomic nervous system disorder.  It is somehow connected with the adrenals (I believe the adrenals and the ANS communicate thru serotonin signaling, but, for me, the signaling goes amuck).  Calcium and pantethenic acid are 2 of the most important nutrients of the adrenal and lymphatic systems.  So, when I feel adrenal fatigue or ANS symptoms coming on (such as plummeting blood pressure, wonky heart rate, chills, sweats, soaring blood sugar (not connected with eating)….  I immediately take 2 cal AEP and 2 pantethine caps with a large glass of alkaline water every 20 or 30 minutes until my symptoms go away.  
> > > >  
> > > > One way that ES (electro-magnetic sensitivity) affects me is thru my ANS disorder.  In high emfs, my bp plummets, heart rate gets erratic, bs soars, I get chills and nauseous…..   I originally had to take huge amounts of the cal AEP and pantethine to help with ES, but then I found I can take less if I supplement with 2 or 3 cal AEP and 2 or 3 pantethine only twice a week with breakfast, and *on the same day* several hours later, take small amounts of manganese and taurine.  I came upon using this by looking for a way to close my tight junctions in my blood-brain-barrier, which *I* (no doc involved here) deduced were causing calcium to leak from my cells.  [I was dxed with tj bbb damage tho by a doctor (it is caused by celiac disease, which is classified as an ion channel disease, ie channelopathy disease).]  Because I was not dxed and treated for celiac disease for so long, I now have a leaky bbb (blood brain barrier) and tight junctions (tjs)
> > > >  which do not close except with the help of added manganese and taurine.  I found this info (about manganese and taurine) thru reading tj research studies done on rabbits.  I tried it and it worked for me.  I do not recommend others replicate this without a good bit of study and understanding of what they are doing, however.  It is possible I have abnormal problems compared with other ESSERS.   Manganese can be a toxic metal if taken in too high doses.
> > > >  
> > > > This is the added info which I doubted Dr. Tennant had in his protocol which I offered to send.  Most of it is specific to CFS, not that everyone’s chronic fatigue will respond to the exact same things.  In summary:  try a rigid candida/ gut bug program, no glutens, no sugars, no yeasts; alkalize water and take hydrogen pills to bring your pH (and voltage) up to normal (this helps with serotonin abnormalities, as well); hydrate adequately; add cal AEP and pantethine if it is helpful; try manganese and taurine only as a last resort and if you are sure your body needs it; work on overcoming problems and blocks in exercise and strength training.
> > > >  
> > > > Today, my biggest health problems are MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity), chronic bronchial asthma, tremors, and my vitreous fluid in my eye is breaking down.  I am working on the vitreous problem by adding glucosamine and hyaluronic acid supplements.  I don’t know if this will be successful, but it beats waiting for a detached retina to happen.  ;)   
> > > >  
> > > > My chronic bronchial asthma now requires nothing but a rescue inhaler about 6 to 10 X/ year (but I am an avid avoider of all things smelly and chemical), tho when an asthma attack does come on, it can be badâ€"I get a lot of anaphylaxis with my asthma these days. 
> > > >  
> > > > I am still researching tremorsâ€"those appear to have a connection with GABAâ€"and this makes sense due to my tj dysfunction which, probably even with manganese and taurine intervention, perhaps is not 100%.  As a result, GABA likely leaks thru my bbb, which it is not supposed to do.  My tremors have improved, but sometimes are still terrible. 
> > > >  
> > > > MCS….  Well, this one has been a stump for me.  I have mast cell proliferation, but that appears to be stable (not still proliferating).  I have not been able to find anything but avoidance of all things chemical and smelly to help it.  Whatever has led to MCS has not budged with any of my many therapies I have tried or still do. 
> > > >  
> > > > ES could be worse for me in the future if the utilities are allowed to proliferate smart meters as they wish, but for now, it is a minor nuisance.  But I see the 4Ghz, 5Ghz…. progression and smart meters as a new problem to prepare for. 
> > > >  
> > > > I hope you don’t have all my health problems, but if you do, I wish you much luck in curing and helping them!  I have been very successful on a whole, I think.  My lifestyle will never be normal in this world (but is it me who is abnormal or the way others live?  I live exactly as people for centuries lived!)  I remember that everyday and hold onto the blessings I have.  I believe we are built to overcome and heal and be healthy.  So I believe we should never give up searching for ways to heal. 
> > > >  
> > > > I have read your posts at the ES forum and know how hard your life has become.  Take heart; we may have to fight to get there, but healing is out there with your name on it, Kikkie!  Never give up.  I believe also that this “civilization” will not go on much longer in its present rush to destroy the Earth.  Sooner or later the Earth is going to rebel.  Things might be bad for awhile, but in the end the Creator and Earth will have their way.  We can only collectively hope this will be soon.
> > > >  
> > > > My best to you and your children; if there is anything I can help you with, please ask.
> > > > Diane/ Evie
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 10/22/10, kikkie2004 <kirsty.weight@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: kikkie2004 <kirsty.weight@>
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: ES under control Diane
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 6:25 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Diane
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks for your reply.
> > > >
> > > > I'm glad to hear that some people's ES gets much better, that's something to look forward to.
> > > >
> > > > I'm moving to a farm tomorow for a few weeks, and if it goes well, I'll move there on a long term basis. The house I'll be staying in seems good re EMF. There is cell phone coverage, but at least it should be much less than where I stay now. I'll be helping the farmer with admin work (minimum PC etc and no fluorescents) half day in return for the accommodation. So really a good thing if it all works well.
> > > >
> > > > I am also gluten free and don't have it in the house either. Although I do succumb to it once in a blue moon, and also accidentally get it in when I (rarely) eat out, as it's in everything. The moment I have any, my stomach gets upset, my throat burns and it affects me mentally as well.
> > > >
> > > > I'll look into Dr Tennant's protocol as well, I can't find his site googling. My diet isn't very nutritious, I react so much to food, and especially to salicylates, that I pretty much eat (organic) meat and white rice. I do supplement some with Cellfood and other stuff though (must look into hydrogen supplements as well).
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I would love more information.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again
> > > > K
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Kikkie,
> > > > >  
> > > > > Welcome to the group!  I hope you find the help you seek.
> > > > >  
> > > > > I do almost the same things as Marc, plus some stuff of my own.  I have minimal ES now, but I still practice avoidance when possible.  Especially, I have been better since detoxing my bone-marrow thru homeopathy (I just eluded to that in another email so won't go further on that topic).  I also have worked on supplementation and nutrient loading thru eating healthier and organically.  For me, personally, I could not have gotten anywhere if I had not gone completely gluten-free (and I mean 0 gluten--none in health/ beauty products, none in home, I avoid restaurants and processed foods due to contaminated manufacturing lines.  I even avoid airborne glutens.  O glutens, period).  That was how I recovered from fibromyalgia and CFS, too.  There were also gut flora issues I had to address, plus raising my pH to recover from CFS.  Long story, but if you want to know more I can share privately.  (But since I am
> > > >  not often online, lately, if you
> > > > > miss me, know SOME DAY you will hear from me, but don't hold your breathe or you will surely pass-out!  ;)   I am behind on about 200 emails right now.)   Pretty much, I just do the normal anti- parasitic (fungi, bacteria, virus, etc) diet and "germicidals" (natural parasitic killers) and follow anti-candida protocols.  I used hydrogen supplements and alkaline water and foods to raise my pH. 
> > > > >  
> > > > > I also avoid eating sugars and sugar-alcohols.  While I don't go as crazy with this as with the gluten, it helps when I am zero sugars.  I work at raising my pH to between 7.35 and 7.50, and as Snoshoe and Stephen here will tell you, that also means my cell voltage is then also correct, which is also a good thing!  ;)  (Thankyou Snoshoe and Stephen for enlightening me!)  I pretty much follow Dr Tennant's protocol to a T.  (By accident--I didn't know I followed a protocol until Stephen sent me a 86? page excerpt from the Tennant book, which I think is accessible on-line at his site.)  So if you need more info on what I do, reading his book or the 80+ pg excerpt should explain it better than I would.  I don't have the site address where the excerpt is, but ask if you want it and Stephen (thanks, Stephen), will probably be kind and send it to you.  :)  If you have thyroid, adrenal, or liver disease, you need to work
> > > >  on targeted supplements to
> > > > > those.  Again, you can ask me privately if you need more help.  I also have autonomic nervous system disorder and that is how emfs most present themselves with me lately.  But even that is much better since doing detoxing, etc. 
> > > > >  
> > > > > Good luck.  I hope you find the help you need,
> > > > > Diane
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Marc Martin <marc@>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] ES under control
> > > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:00 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > How have you got your ES under control?
> > > > >
> > > > > By trying everything possible and continuing to use most everything that
> > > > > I've found to be helpful. For example:
> > > > >
> > > > > -- using a few select EMF protection devices
> > > > > -- "easy" alterations of EMF environment (move some things further away
> > > > > from me, switch to old-fashion technology in some cases -- incandescent
> > > > > lightbulbs, wired phones, wired internet, monochrome-screen cellphone)
> > > > > -- changing diet to one loaded with nutrients (minimal junk food)
> > > > > -- supplements to help rebuild my adrenal glands
> > > > > -- supplements to help detoxify heavy metals / chemicals
> > > > > -- some anti-oxidant & mineral & vitamin supplements
> > > > > -- replacing all metal dental work with non-metal
> > > > > -- reducing the amount of metal worn (including eyeglasses, watches, belt buckles)
> > > > > -- non-metal bed (frame, mattress) helps
> > > > > -- static-dissipative shoes *might* help
> > > > >
> > > > > Some have reported being completely cured by completing a heavy metal detox,
> > > > > so this is what I'm pursuing as a long-term solution. However, a complete
> > > > > heavy metal detox can take many years for some people... depends on how
> > > > > fast you can tolerate getting that stuff out of your system.
> > > > >
> > > > > Marc
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> > Geez, moving to a farm you would hope it would be safer from the cell
> > antennas but it is not. What place is safe for us? So frustrating.
>
> One can't simply assume that being away from civilization is safe...
> last year we went on a vacation to an island and were staying in
> a cabin far from town. We had no cellphone reception, and the
> cabin didn't have a TV or phone. HOWEVER, the power lines for
> the street passed directly over the cabin and were dipping so
> low that they were just above the bedroom, PLUS there was a
> Wi-Fi repeater attached to the outside of cabin, also just
> outside the bedroom wall!
>
> Fortunately I did not react to either of these, but it emphasized
> that "being in the middle of nowhere" isn't necessarily safe.
>
> Marc
>

>
> Loni wrote:
> > I would love to leave this area & find a peaceful comfortable place to live but I don't know if that is really possible anymore.
> >
>
> I am sure there are still rural places that are quiet.
>
> There are a couple places for sale up the valley where there are no
> power lines yet.
>
> Stewart
>

>
> Loni wrote:
> > I would love to leave this area & find a peaceful comfortable place to live but I don't know if that is really possible anymore.
> >
>
> I am sure there are still rural places that are quiet.
>
> There are a couple places for sale up the valley where there are no
> power lines yet.
>
> Stewart
>

>
> Loni wrote:
> > I would love to leave this area & find a peaceful comfortable place to live but I don't know if that is really possible anymore.
> >
>
> I am sure there are still rural places that are quiet.
>
> There are a couple places for sale up the valley where there are no
> power lines yet.
>
> Stewart
>