coherent space website

Vinny, I've been browsing through your Coherent Space website this
evening... interesting stuff! I didn't know that the Clarus
products were radionic.... although like I said before, the
Q-Link never did anything for me. I wonder if the Quantum
Products items work this way as well? I'm not sure how else
a software-based solution *could* work (Quantum Byte software)...

I read that testimonial from Rick... unfortunately, I tend
to discount any testimonial written on the first day of
trying something out. I could have written the same testimonial
about the "Cosmic Energy Transformers" which I bought 5 years
ago but eventually threw away. I could feel the energy coming
out of the box when it first arrived at the door, and they
felt good in my hands. Then, the next few days I had fatigue
from detox. *However*, once that all passed, I never noticed
anything beneficial from them again, and they certainly
provided no increased tolerance for my computer use. So, I've
learned that testimonials from people who've used items for
an extended period of time are much more useful than people
who've had an item for a day.

It sounds like you "received information" from elsewhere
about how to build some of these devices. I've had one other such
experience -- the Gentle Wind project makes very expensive
devices for healing. I once went to someone's house and
held a "healing puck" in my hand for about 5 minutes, and
spent the rest of day feeling incredible. I kept telling
my wife that I felt like I had been "touched by an
angel" (that was the only way I could describe it), meanwhile
she was upset that she didn't feel a thing! But again,
I noted no longterm/permanent change from this one-time
experience... perhaps I should have investigated this
technology further, but for some reason I did not...(too
expensive, as I recall)

Also, I see that you've noticed increased gas mileage from
your devices. I've also noticed that my car mysteriously
gets more mpg than it should (or used to), but I have no
idea which device caused this! According to the car's
sticker, it should (and once did) get 25-31 mpg, but these
days it gets up to 36 mpg. I've had items from Quantum
Products and Springlife Polarity in my cars for years
(plus other items on occasions), so I have no idea
what might have caused this.

I was also struck by one of the items being called "Violet
Light of Peace". We've got someone on this list (Ellen)
who has previously spoke of a "Violet Flame"... I wonder
if they are related... (?)

Marc

Hi Marc:

Thanks for your note! Comments below!

At 01:44 AM 8/29/2006, you wrote:
>Vinny, I've been browsing through your Coherent Space website this
>evening... interesting stuff! I didn't know that the Clarus
>products were radionic....

Well, the correct terminology that I should have used is that they
are radionically-imprinted with intent, although last time I talked
to their principals, they preferred to call it "sophisticated intent
programs imprinted by 34th generation radionic technology". Dr.
William Tiller talks about this type of radionic-intent-imprinted
technology a lot in his article and books, etc., and his own device
(called sommething like IIED); he also claims that he finds that such
imprinted itents seem to fade over time.

> although like I said before, the
>Q-Link never did anything for me. I wonder if the Quantum
>Products items work this way as well?

No, the Quantum Products devices (other than their Quantum Byte
software), to my best knowledge, use an oscillator producing one or
more signals, which then seems to drive bucking (opposing) coils or
some other kind of funky antenna-but-not-an-antenna to try to
nullify any EM wave and leave only a so-called "scalar vector"
signal. This technique seems to be rather common across many brands
of hardware-based "quantum quieting" devices. And, they do also
provide a "volume control" as well on many of their devices.

>I'm not sure how else
>a software-based solution *could* work (Quantum Byte software)...

The Quantum Products QB software is interesting: it seems to try to
create an effect based on the stochastic resonance principle, and I
have actually noticed a mild beneficial effect here from playing with
the device, above and beyond the Clarus clock and the Clarus power
strip which sat only feet away from my PC. Unfortunately, I can no
longer detect any effect when I use it, because I now have three of
my CS devices running full time now in the house and lab, and one of
them is a Quantum Coherence device.

>I read that testimonial from Rick... unfortunately, I tend
>to discount any testimonial written on the first day of
>trying something out.

Rick is a funny one. He is an industrial chemist, and like me,
somewhat of a cynic abot all the claims and hype found in the
marketplace for many "alternative products", but he is also much into
meditation and spiritual pursuits, and he has known of my work in
various fields for years, as he belongs to a number of my list
groups. He recently told me that he had been advised by angels during
a meditation that I would soon be creating several new devices and
that he should procure one of each for his own use. Now, this is
really weird, because this was weeks before I had ever mentioned my
work (on the latest generation of devices) to anyone, even my closest
friends, and a month or two before I ever created the Coherent Space
website. Very odd...

> I could have written the same testimonial
>about the "Cosmic Energy Transformers" which I bought 5 years
>ago but eventually threw away. I could feel the energy coming
>out of the box when it first arrived at the door, and they
>felt good in my hands. Then, the next few days I had fatigue
>from detox.
> *However*, once that all passed, I never noticed
>anything beneficial from them again, and they certainly
>provided no increased tolerance for my computer use.

Intrestng... sounds like the devices may have had some kind of
healing effect, but that they did not protect you against effects of EMF!

>So, I've
>learned that testimonials from people who've used items for
>an extended period of time are much more useful than people
>who've had an item for a day.

Yes, I agree! BTW, Rick reports that the extra energy and calm
continue from his quantum coherence device, over a month later.

Well, it may not have been as simple as money/budget alone: My own
experience is that many of us are more intuitive than we think, and
we simply "forget" to continue to investigate those tools or
modalities which we simply do not need at that time. In my case,
which is a bit more extreme, I was an amateur scientist and ham radio
operator/tinkerer from age six, got my first ham license by age ten
or so, and yet I was also fascinated by meditation and the invisible
world, and from age 13 or so onward, spent a long time every day in
meditation; this never stopped. All thru my adult life, I continued
to do well in engineering and the sciences, but also continued my
full-blown pursuit of inner freedom via meditation and opening the
heart. The net effect of this is that I am now one of those odd
people who can walk easily in the world of technology and science,
but can also walk easily and comfortably in inner deeper realms as
well. This seems to have resulted, over the past few years, in very
accurate and "tight" access to all kinds of information on the inner
level from what I call Holy Spirit and the angels.

>Also, I see that you've noticed increased gas mileage from
>your devices. I've also noticed that my car mysteriously
>gets more mpg than it should (or used to), but I have no
>idea which device caused this! According to the car's
>sticker, it should (and once did) get 25-31 mpg, but these
>days it gets up to 36 mpg. I've had items from Quantum
>Products and Springlife Polarity in my cars for years
>(plus other items on occasions), so I have no idea
>what might have caused this.

My guess, knowing the technologies involved, is that the effect is
largely due to the QP device.

BTW, the Springlife Polarity devices are one of the few other devices
in this realm which seem -- much like my devices -- to use biogenic
materials. In their case, they report that they use a special type of
dried kelp (a photosynthetic seaweed) enclosed in a fabric pillow or
in a soldered tin enclosure as the heart of their device. My devices
actually use (exotic) circuitry and several exotic biogenic materiaas
(each created by photosynthetic and other beneficial microbes in
multi-state processes) for the quantum-smoothing function.

>I was also struck by one of the items being called "Violet
>Light of Peace". We've got someone on this list (Ellen)
>who has previously spoke of a "Violet Flame"... I wonder
>if they are related... (?)

Aha! The term "Violet Flame" has a long and colorful history in some
corners of the spiritual world, and also in some New Age realms (I am
not into New Age stuff, but I cannot help but be aware of such
things...!) It seems that a couple of (competing) people and
organizations claiming to channel spiritual information from "The
Ascended Master Comte de Saint Germain" (apparently a 17th or 18th
century European alchemist) appeared in the early part of the 20th
century, and started disseminating this information in lectures and
books. These organizations had names such as the I AM Foundation,
various organizations with the term "Saint Germain" in the name,
Summit Foundation, Lighthouse Foundation, and a few other variants on
those names as well (and many of these organizations sued each other
for violations of "protected and proprietary" material recieved from
the Other Side...!). For some reason, prominent in their channeled
material was the assertion that one could invoke "the Violet Flame",
on an inner or etheric level, and that this flame is very purifying
and can be used to "cleanse" the aura or energy body, thus healing the person.

Further, many of these people and organizations also talked a bit
vaguely about a physical "Violet Flame" which they claimed had been
maintained by high priestesses in "Atlantis" (sigh!) about "thirteen
thousand years ago" (double sigh...). For some reason, the Violet
Flame (by the way, several organizations have claimed that they own
the trademark for this term) became a big hit with ocultists, and by
the later 1940s and early 1950s, a number of estoeric organizations,
New Age organizations, and alternative health movements (among them
some splinter Rosicrucian organizations, and most notably including
the fascinating esoteric healing tradition of Body Electronics
started by naturopath John Ray in the late 1950s and early 1960s)
also incorporated the lore of the Violet Flame into their healing
teachings. In fact, I once even had a flaky acuptuncture professor,
while I was in a graduate program in acupuncutre, exhort all her
students (ahem, myself included) to stand up and invoke the inner
"Violet Flame" (I think I farted when I stood up, which kinda
destroyed the mood and ambiance for her... sighl... ). In fact, I
once found a book on esoteric topics, written in the late 1930s by an
occultist, wherein he claimed that he had been led by angels into an
opening in a mountain (somewhere in the USA) which led to a massive
hollow cavern filled with wondrous "technologies" from the angels,
including, of course, a REAL Violet Flame!

My own device, of course, uses the term "Violet Light", and I do not
think that the term is necessarily connected with the New Age
fascination with the "Violet Flame". I hope...

with care,
--Vinny




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I AM a being of Violet Fire I AM the purity God desires.

Repeating this over and over for two days got me out of "hell" through the roughest part of "the night". Be it the relative stilling of the mind, the I AM affirmation, the colour/light, the actual physical flame working alchemy, the absence of fear while invoking the Light.. Something about it the "attacking entities" did not like.

Do not know if is new age or if St germain (don't like the eyes in the picture of him i saw) need be involved or if there need always be a classification to appeace the ego-mind. This is what intuition lead ME to, and keeps bringing me back to. Had read about it not long before and doing it saved my life// No need to bring the Violet Flame in contention then//

It is also very healing for opening the heart and transmuting energies that you have put there in the past (whatever is there that was not love needs to go) for as wide as you wanna go with it, sending it all around the earth. There is no place for ego in meditation, no dualistic thinking can bring you Home. Oh and farts may be ridding of energies (very common in relax, had a moment like that once with chiro, he was used to it, has been very necesarry to fart for the conversion of mind/body where I have been opening my heart).

Yes still violet flaming it and does help for me in opening the heart/increasing Light and wisdom (that there is no dark-light, no two powers, only Light, that we have been spending 10000 years in this illusion/dream of ego-mind and it is time to wake up and live). Think it transmutes karma.

Violet Flame rules// Still at it, thanks for the reminder as I was slipping//(broken washing machine?? Jeez Ellen)

Love,

"Trust in Me take, me by the hand, .... .....
oooooh you don't need money"

"They know, that God created all men equal"

(and you r not better than anyone else)





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Hi Ellen:

Thanks for a great post and fun report! And yes, I always get a bit
of a creepy feeling when I hear St. Germain's name or when I see
photos/images which are claimed to be of St. Germain! And yes, burps
and sighs and yawns also often seem to indicate inner shifts or
releases as well...

with care,
--Vinny

At 11:25 AM 8/29/2006, you wrote:

Vinny Pinto
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Oh yeah, a little addition. Violet Flame: I AM a being of Violet Fire I AM the purity God desires. Because clearing your name is clearing His name. Clip the ego by ending self hate and fear.

"I believe in innocense/. The rose. Is it Purple rain time yet??

It is still hands up (gimme your heart) and feel it fall of my chest area, breastage chains removed//

Thx again for putting me back on track and you could be happy if your tool works for getting people free// Distance energy healing, like Vinnie does, and tachyon have also helped me.

Love
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I had the impresion, that this list handles electrosensitivity matters, and
elecktrosmog.

This perla belongs in some *prayers* lists.

Tachyon may help your ego, but not against electrosensitivity.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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Subject: Re: [eSens] Violet Fire

Hi,

Yeah sorry just stating what has helped me with my ES symptoms, that are GONE thx and prayer and tachyon happened to help me with those symptoms.

Love

"Don't talk to me if you think I'm dumb"


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> Yeah sorry just stating what has helped me with my ES symptoms, that
> are GONE thx and prayer and tachyon happened to help me with those
> symptoms.

My feeling (as moderator) is that if Ellen says that prayer helped
her overcome her ES, then this is on-topic. Nobody is forcing anyone
else to do this, if they don't want to...

Marc

> No, the Quantum Products devices (other than their Quantum Byte
> software), to my best knowledge, use an oscillator producing one or
> more signals

Interesting! Note that Quantum Products does sell a power strip,
which by all appearances is a stock power strip from the hardware
store. This sounds similar to your Clarus power strip. However,
I have actually gone and purchased the stock version at the
hardware store, and can confirm that the Quantum Products version
"feels" significantly different when plugged in. I can also
confirm that the effect does not appear to wear out, as I've
been using the same strips for 5 years.

> My guess, knowing the technologies involved, is that the effect is
> largely due to the QP device.

I can test this theory, as my wife recently bought a new car,
and it is basically "untouched" by my devices (and she's
been paying close attention to the mileage already)

> BTW, the Springlife Polarity devices are one of the few other devices
> in this realm which seem -- much like my devices -- to use biogenic
> materials.

So, do you think your new prototype devices would have some sort
of additional benefit for someone who already owns and is successfully
using items from Quantum Products and Springlife Polarity? My main
problem areas are overhead florescent lights, computer monitors (both
CRT
and LCD), and TVs...

Marc

No not forcing anyone. Also there are many things charles and i both recommend, harmonic energy to the heart area, shower before bed, soaking feet in salt, probably more. No need to distance harm (got me a dizzy spell, come on hey)

There are many post i do not feel are of help for me (or even harmful in my opinion IN the sense that they feed the ego-mind) , i do not react to each one/

You can always take what you like in what you meet right?/ Like if you get heart palipatations from a certain devise or medicine/herb, it can help to lie down and put your hands up. And take some cayenne then.

Have not posted for awhile, humouring you guys plenty so once and a while let me be. Bye, for awhile again.

Love

"Swing your head, from side to side"

(especially if you cannot get any sleep, do that for some minutes and get your rest)






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Hi Marc:

Thanks for your note. Comments below!

At 04:23 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote:
Yes, judging from their (low) pricing on the power strip, plus the UL
approval issues they would hit if they modified the circuitry or
added circuitry, I suspect that their power strips may simply be
radionically imprinted with an intent program. However, my best
understanding (bsed upon my analysis and on reports from users and
from folks who have opened the devices over the years) is that their
pricier room and area treatment devices for individuals, homes and
offices do employ real hardware, plus perhaps some imprinting as well.

> > My guess, knowing the technologies involved, is that the effect is
> > largely due to the QP device.
>
>I can test this theory, as my wife recently bought a new car,
>and it is basically "untouched" by my devices (and she's
>been paying close attention to the mileage already)

Please let me know what you find!

Since I tend to be very blunt and zero-hype, allow me to answer you
in this way:
I have no way of guaranteeing or promising that you would notice any
effect at all from one of the heftier Quantum Coherence devices --
such as the HO-09, which is the one I would pick if I were in your
shoes and had decided to purchase one of the prototypes -- and my
reluctance to offer any promises stems from several things, as follows:
1) the "fuzzy science" factor which I address on the website; the
truth is that these quantum quieting techologies are largely well
beyond the cutting edge of the concepts of modern Western science.
2) lack of (expensive) controlled scientific studies validating
effects of this or any other devices in this field.
3) the tremendous variance across people in their response to these
devices and to any devices in this realm.
4) the fact that you are ALREADY (smile!) using a number of devices....!

My intuitive sense seems to be telling me that a device such as the
model HO-09 would likely help you see perhaps another 35% improvement
in energy levels and calmness/centerednesss, but intuition can be
wrong or can be swayed by many things, so this is hardly gospel. You
also might have a few days of detox symptoms, starting within one to
two days after exposure to the device....

Sorry to be so vague, but I have no desire to offer lots of promises.
Bottom line -- and I do hate to sound so mystical here! -- would be
that I would recommend that you go to your heart and gut and check
with your intuition and see what that sense (as opposed to the
conscious mind, which is always looking for new things) says to you...

with care,
--Vinny


>
>


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Hi folks:

My feeling, as both a scientist and mystic and themoderator of many
list groups (several of which are very busy and attract a lot of
fundamentalists and fanatics) is much the same as Marc's... I agree
with his decision. Besides, even if some of Ellen's writings were to
be somewhat off-topic, so what? I feel that a certain amount of topic
drift, plus a certain amount of off-topic stuff, plus a certain
amount of silliness and humor is all essential lifeblood for any real
list group or forum, and in fact, you can spot the unhappy fantatics
and zealots (and their list groups and forums) right away as you
borwse the web, because they hate topic drift, they hate OT stuff,
they hate silliness and they despise humor!

So, I agree with Marc!

with care,
--Vinny

At 03:50 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote:

Vinny Pinto
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> However, my best
> understanding (bsed upon my analysis and on reports from users and
> from folks who have opened the devices over the years) is that their
> pricier room and area treatment devices for individuals, homes and
> offices do employ real hardware

Oh yes, the Quantum Home, Pro, Monitor, Companion, and Auto-Clear
all appear to use their own circuitry. It's just the power strips
that appear to have been "treated" somehow.

> I have no way of guaranteeing or promising that you would notice any
> effect at all from one of the heftier Quantum Coherence devices --
> such as the HO-09, which is the one I would pick if I were in your
> shoes

Fair enough. Although I would not use any of the larger, more powerful
devices in my house because my cats *always* retaliate (with urination
& pooping outside the litter box) with any whole-house system I've
tried.
So minimizing the effective radius would be a key consideration for me,
so that it affects me but not the cats. So that would leave the
IND-14, which has a very limited radius ("several feet"? Does
that mean 3? 5? 7?) or the AUTO-21, which seems like it may
have too large of a radius for me to keep it away from the cats
(28 ft?)

Marc

Hi Marc:

Thanks for your note.... comments below!

At 07:54 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote:
> > However, my best
> > understanding (bsed upon my analysis and on reports from users and
> > from folks who have opened the devices over the years) is that their
> > pricier room and area treatment devices for individuals, homes and
> > offices do employ real hardware
>
>Oh yes, the Quantum Home, Pro, Monitor, Companion, and Auto-Clear
>all appear to use their own circuitry. It's just the power strips
>that appear to have been "treated" somehow.

Exactly!

> > I have no way of guaranteeing or promising that you would notice any
> > effect at all from one of the heftier Quantum Coherence devices --
> > such as the HO-09, which is the one I would pick if I were in your
> > shoes
>
>Fair enough. Although I would not use any of the larger, more powerful
>devices in my house because my cats *always* retaliate (with urination
>& pooping outside the litter box) with any whole-house system I've
>tried.

Hmmmm... very odd... and kinda poses a challenge, because the HO-09
device not only has a greater radius of effect than the smaller
devices, but also has a more powerful (deeper, more effective) effect
when the Range Boost switch is turned on, and that is normally what I
would suggest for someone who is electrosensitive.

I wonder what it is with your cats? Fascinating! My own cat does
fine, as does my beagle, and several of my customers have cats, and
the only "cat report" I have heard so far is that some cats become
entranced with the devices and like being near them....

I wonder if it might be some kind of cleansing, or merely a
toxic/stressor effect...?

If I can ever find a spare HO-09 here that is NOT committted to going
out the door to a customer, I will consider sending you an HO-09
device as a sample/loaner for a week or two, so that you may play
with it and see how your cats react to it, so long as you were
willing to pay return shipping via UPS at the end of the experimental period.

>So minimizing the effective radius would be a key consideration for me,
>so that it affects me but not the cats. So that would leave the
>IND-14, which has a very limited radius ("several feet"? Does
>that mean 3? 5? 7?) or the AUTO-21, which seems like it may
>have too large of a radius for me to keep it away from the cats
>(28 ft?)

The radii of effect (i.e., for strong, moderately strong effect,
etc.) are (hopefully) listed on the catalog page, but, in general,
the IND device usually has a radius for strongest effect of 2 to 3
feet, and I feel it really needs to be in the near-biofield for best
effects, such as in a pants pocket. And, the effect will not be quite
as powerful as that of the HO-09 when it is turned on...

with care,
--Vinny

>


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> I wonder what it is with your cats? Fascinating!

I don't know, but it seems that 2 of our 4 cats don't like my
experimentation. I could observe what plainly appeared to
be a miserable, detoxing cat after 3 days of using an EarthCalm
Home plug-in unit. And another cat has diabetes, so it's
pretty fragile in the first place. These cats have also
reacted to the Quantum Pro, more than 2 Quantum power
strips, Tachyon silica discs on the fusebox, Cosmic
Energy Transformers, and any of the larger Springlife
Polarizers.

Fortunately, *I* don't have much problem with my home environment,
so I can get away with using devices that all seem
to have a range of 10 feet or less.

> If I can ever find a spare HO-09 here that is NOT committted to going
> out the door to a customer, I will consider sending you an HO-09
> device as a sample/loaner for a week or two, so that you may play
> with it and see how your cats react to it, so long as you were
> willing to pay return shipping via UPS at the end of the experimental
> period.

Thanks for the (potential) offer! I'm always happy to experiment,
and quite willing to return anything via UPS.

> The radii of effect (i.e., for strong, moderately strong effect,
> etc.) are (hopefully) listed on the catalog page, but, in general,
> the IND device usually has a radius for strongest effect of 2 to 3
> feet, and I feel it really needs to be in the near-biofield for best
> effects, such as in a pants pocket. And, the effect will not be quite
> as powerful as that of the HO-09 when it is turned on...

I have a tendency to prefer the smaller, more portable items anyway,
simply from a convenience standpoint. Also, if one takes them on
vacation, I'd have a much easier time getting a key-fob through
airport security than a large, mysterious "black box" (this is
another advantage of some of the Quantum products items -- they
look like plain old pagers, power strips, etc)

Marc

> devices, but also has a more powerful (deeper, more effective) effect
> when the Range Boost switch is turned on, and that is normally what I
> would suggest for someone who is electrosensitive.

Vinny, I find it interesting that you'd recommend a stronger device
for someone who is electrosensitive, as it seems that in some cases
people with ES are so sensitive that they cannot stand a stronger
device, and there is potential that the EMF detox would be so
strong that they'd simply return the product because it makes
them feel so horrible. I'd think that the *least* powerful
device would be the safer choice, so that they can see if they
can handle the technology. I know from my own past experience
that I was glad to have started with the least powerful items
from Quantum Products and Springlife Polarity, and here I am
years later still using those same "weak" products, while the
stronger ones are stashed away and not being used...

Marc

Hello,

I would like to place my 2 cent also.

There was a time, that my wife needed all kind of *gadgets*, T-shirt and cap
with silver lined textile, in order to move outside on the streets.
Despite all that she reacted with every mobile phone mast we encountered.
She had to walk criss-crossed on the streets in order to avoid wireless DECT
phoes inside the houses, of which she felt the HF radiation in the streets
in front of the houses.
The appartment we lived in, was shielded on many sides.

Today, she does not need any gadget anymore, nor the special clothing.
She *feels* the masts, but does not have reactions in her body.
She now can go shopping without any trouble.
She is not bothered by most of the DECT phones.
Only a few do give reactions.
She is not bothered by fluoresent lamps as before.

So, for me this is prove, that a betterment for electrosensibility is quite
possible.


It is my strong conviction that there is a connection between
electrosensibility and the state of the health of the person involved.
I wrote earlier. that in the Benelux, the mobile phone masts are in
principle not sickmaking, because their radiation levels are in reality very
low. (I measure them daily, so I know what I am talking about.)
However, an estimated 25 % of the people have health complaints by
elektrosmog (which contains low- as well as high frequency fileds). Many
question why that is.
But if one reverses the question, it means that 75 % of the people are not
hindered by elektrosmog as YET, so till today.
(That can change overnight, but is not now).
Why do 75 % use their mobile phone, DECT phone and wireless modems all day
and are not troubled by it?
Look around on the streets. Everybody uses their *earwarmers*, full time!
That is a question I pondered a long time.

I think, that the reason is, that those people do not have anything in their
body that may react.
Those are very healthy people, with, at the moment, not latent agents in
their body.
Their immune system is in good condition.

On http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina114a.html , I have listed a number of
symptoms electrosensibles may experience.
So, in my opinion, electrosensibles do have latent agents in their body,
which may react to elektrosmog.
Those people are not *sick*, as many physicians you want to believe, but
their immune system is distorted and down the drain.
People between 40 and 60 years old are reflecting what they have achieved in
life.
Youth traumas have been suppressed for many years, and not dealt with.
They now come to the surface, and have a heavy impact on the immune system.

We lived many years in a city, where a motorway went right through the city,
right before our frontdoor.
In the fumes, diesel particles and lead were inhaled by manty people.
There was a period, when we drove by car, I had to maintain a large distance
to the cars in front of me, because it troubled my wife.
Of course, we used also electrical blankets at that time.

So, our body contains many poisons and heavy metals.
And those with the Apolipoprotein E epsilon-4 gene allele cannot get rid of
those heavy metals at all.

It is my opinion, that the phone masts, with their relatively low emissions
do not harm *healthy* people, but those with a damaged immune system do have
strong reactions.
I think that the phone masts are working like a catalytic agent on the
latent agents in our body.
And because those latent agents are different with everybody, everybody does
have different reactions.
With one person it is in the head, another in the chest, another in the
abdomen, and another in the legs.
And of course combinations are also possible.
A diagnosis of the flu is normally easy; for electrosensibility not, because
there is no standard list of symptoms.
And the mobile phone industry is the *holy grail* and financial *milk cow*,
so many physicians flatly refuse to look into this. And advised by the
governments and the criminals of the WHO.


Betterment is possible by:

1. living in a HF radiation poor surrounding. HF radiation free is not
possible anymore.
2. getting rid of heavy metals in the body. There are several ways in doing
this.
(see Amalgam Illness by Andrew Hall Cutler, see Literature on
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina8.html)
We had very good results with an ionic foot spa (within two weeks).
I found a less expensive one on:
http://www.electronichealing.co.uk/products/detox_foot_spa.htm
3. living healthier. The dos and don'ts.
See Energy Flow System by Han M. Stiekema (also Literature)
This dutch physician cured himself from electrosensibility.
4. a liver cleansing according to Hulda Regehr Clark.
5. a positive attitude. get rid of traumas. Yes Reiki or praying may help.
The Field by Lynne McTaggart is a good guidline.
(A MCS patient got recovered by reading that book)

(Chinese say, that when one gets awake between 3 and 6 at night, it is a
sign that the liver is overloaded, or not functioning well.)

So I see the *gadgets* only as a temporary means. The body must be healed
also.
As long as that does not happen, the electrosensibility remains.
I have also found that a gadget does not help with one person, is helpful
for another and for a third it is too strong and gives adverse effects. And
this for the same gadget.

Don't get me wrong.
Phone masts are damaging the health, but not in the way many people assume.
I mean below 2.000 uW/m2, which is normally the case overhere, the effect on
*normal* people is minimal.
Over 2.000 uW/m2, it attacks the body, whether it possesses agents or not,
so also *normal* people.
Between 10.000 and 30.000 uW/m2, serious health effects may occur with
everybody.
Inside houses, I generally find 200 uW/m2 from each phone mast.

But mark, electrosensibles may react starting at levels if 1 uW/m2; some
even at 0,1 uW/m2.
When they encounter 100 uW/m2, life is hell for them.
And recovery of illnesses is nearly impossible.
Recovery of cancer needs an HF radiation poor surrounding! No matter what
treatment one is following.

And electrosensibles can have strong reactions to tiny small levels of
elektrosmog.
I know of persons who get a red head by a 9V battery; red allergic reactions
by the electrical wiring in our home.
I know of persons who get strong allergic reactions on their body, when a
vistor does have a mobile phone in their pocket.
But those persons are not *normal* persons, but electrosensibles, of a heavy
caliber.

Don't forget, that elektrosmog is a very wide area, containing many facets
of dangerous fields.
Even the static magnetic DC fields on metal parts in beds can have an
enormous impact.

Not everybody has the same constitution.
I had an aunt, who died in her nineties on lung cancer but she never smoked.
I know people who smoke two packages a day, and are in perfect health!

So, by improving the body health, the level of electrosensibility goes down.
Not 100 %, but still so, that a normal life is possible.

And that is the only thing, electrosensibles are interested in.

I see the electrosensibility as having a *biological window*.
My wife had a very large open window at that time.
Everything was shining in from all directions.
Today, she has a small window.
To make it more understandable, let us say about 50 cm cross section.
Not placed directly in front of her, but a bit sideways to the left.
Only what is coming through that particular *biological window* is
perceived, and calls for a reaction from the body.
In the surroundings of this window, the elektrosmog is perceived, but
unlocks no reaction.

So phone masts do not hinder her anymore, but only certain DECT phones.
I checked, it is not the radiation level.
When she reacts, it is at lower levels, than other.
DECT phones are pulsed with 100 Hz, so that is constant.
It is not the radiation level.
The high frequency carrier waves are between 1880 and 1900 MHz, so a span of
only 20 MHz.
So I can only imagine that it is that certain frequencies (together with the
pulsrate) are the trigger.
For instance 1883.2 and 1887.6 MHz are triggereing her; the other
frequencies are not.
I have no other explanation, yet.

Sorry for the long story, but I felt in neccessary to share my viewpoints.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 07:00
Subject: Re: [eSens] coherent space website

Hi Marc:

You raise some interesting points! All I can say is that my
recommendations were based on my own personal experience and those of
others using my devices. However, allow me to add that it is entirely
likely that none of us (i.e, myself or the other users who have
reported their observations) is strongly electrosensitive, and
rather, we each had been exhibiting only very minor
electrosensitivity, only to the degree that we experienced brief
detox symptoms (at times) followed by higher levels of energy and
well-being. In my case, I certainly know that I have never considered
myself at all electrosensitive, and, as I have recounted elsewhere, I
was therefore VERY amazed that my devices (the latest generation) had
an observable and very significant effect upon my energy and
well-being within a few hours of being activated. So, since neither I
nor any of the early users appear to be strongly electrosensitive, it
is entirely possible that the experience that we report (i.e.,
wherein we find the stronger devices to be "better") may not at all
be true for someone who is extremely electrosensitive. (On the other
hand, my intuition says that these observations would likely remain
true for folks who are very electrosensitive.... so who knows?)

By the way, I do realize that I have a bias here: I personally feel
that any "good" EMF protection device of what I will call the
"quantum quieting" type should ONLY remove from the local environment
some or most (or perhaps all) of any harmful signals or fields
produced by manmade electronic equipment, and should NOT exhibit any
other effects, and that thus, for any user of such a "good" device:

1) any detox or adjustment or cleansing effects should be temporary,
and should be relatively short and tranisent, perhaps lasting a few
weeks at most, with perhaps need for extra sleep lasting up to a
month or two, but no longer.

2) any effects noted due to removal of some or most of the harmful
effects of EMF should be rather similar to the effects noted from
moving to an extremely remote forested area which is very far removed
from the AC power grid and from the vast majority of radio and TV
transmitting towers and cellular and microwave towers. (i.e., as
noted in #1 above, the detox or adjustment effects should be
transient and temporary, and while there may indeed be an increased
need for sleep during initial stages as the body heals, it too should
pass within one to three months.)

To me, any persistent adverse effects beyond one month of duration
with a "quantum quieting" type device would indicate only one of two things:
1) the device is somehow not functioning ideally, and perhaps it is
emitting some underirable fields or effects as well.
OR
2) the person reporting ongoing so-called "detox" symptoms has some
imbalances, toxicities or deficiencies in their body which go well
beyond the realm of adverse effects due to quantum incoherence from
EMF, and which will never be remediated simply by removing most (or
all) of the harmful effects of EMF. In such a case, the EMF
sensitivity symptoms which had preexisted may even have been masking
deeper deficiencies, toxicities or imbalances which have little or
nothign to do with electrosensitivity, and thus, when the EMF
stressor has been removed, the deeper symptoms may then emerge and be
mistaken for detox. Some of my practitioner friends and colleagues
report that they see this cluster of "poor responder to any kind of
intervention" symptoms often with people who have what they call
"depleted deep energies", aka "depleted deep batteries", aka "low
battery" syndrome, and my colleague Dr. Tim Ray wrote a great article
a few years ago for Explore! magazine on detecting and addressing
such issues; he calls the syndrome "Low Battery"; I believe that his
article was called something like "Low Battery Focus". Briefly, what
many practitioners often seem to recommend in such "depleted deep
battery" cases is:
* start the client on a fulvic acid supplement
* get the client to ingest EM products daily as a supplement
* ensure that the client is gettting enough major minerals,
particularly calcium and magnesium, in their diet, in usable form
* ensure that the client is getting enough trace elements in their diet
with care,
--Vinny

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> and my colleague Dr. Tim Ray wrote a great article
> a few years ago for Explore! magazine on detecting and addressing
> such issues; he calls the syndrome "Low Battery";

Oh yes, I'm quite familiar with Dr. Ray... several years ago I
went through about 15 ounces of his mercury chelation
supplement "NDF". In fact, of all the mercury chelation
supplements I've tried (over 10), NDF seemed to do the most
good with the least amount of unnecessary side effects
(the only ones I get from NDF is headache, dehydration,
metallic-tasting mouth, and strong-smelling urine).

...and after a several year "break" from taking NDF, I've been
experimenting with it again lately, as plenty of people have
asserted that a mercury-free person is an ES-free person...

Marc

> 2) any effects noted due to removal of some or most of the harmful
> effects of EMF should be rather similar to the effects noted from
> moving to an extremely remote forested area which is very far removed
> from the AC power grid and from the vast majority of radio and TV
> transmitting towers and cellular and microwave towers.

Yes, that certainly would be nice. All of the EMF protection devices
I've ever tried seem to add their own unique energy to the environment,
which is quite different from going to "the middle of nowhere".

However, in your description of your coherent space devices, I believe
that you said that the devices take incoherent radiation and turn
it into coherent radiation? So if I'm sitting in front of a 21" CRT
monitor with it's elevated radiation levels, I'm now going to be
exposed to elevated levels of coherent radiation, correct? That seems
like it would be a much different experience than being in the
middle of nowhere, which would have minimal levels of incoherent
radiation.

Marc