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bbin37

Aug 30, 2006; 4:09pm

Re: coherent space website

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

>
> > 2) any effects noted due to removal of some or most of the harmful
> > effects of EMF should be rather similar to the effects noted from
> > moving to an extremely remote forested area which is very far removed
> > from the AC power grid and from the vast majority of radio and TV
> > transmitting towers and cellular and microwave towers.
>
> Yes, that certainly would be nice. All of the EMF protection devices
> I've ever tried seem to add their own unique energy to the environment,
> which is quite different from going to "the middle of nowhere".
>
> However, in your description of your coherent space devices, I believe
> that you said that the devices take incoherent radiation and turn
> it into coherent radiation? So if I'm sitting in front of a 21" CRT
> monitor with it's elevated radiation levels, I'm now going to be
> exposed to elevated levels of coherent radiation, correct? That seems
> like it would be a much different experience than being in the
> middle of nowhere, which would have minimal levels of incoherent
> radiation.
>
> Marc
>

... [show rest of quote]

Hi Marc,

What you're pondering here sounds a lot like what Dietrich says his
bioprotect card's action does, i.e. changes the quality of the
radiation. Myself and another person found the result too much for
our systems to handle when we tried the card almost 2 years ago.

I think your take that the results of making EMR coherent would
probably be much different than being in an EMR free zone is spot on.
While making EMR coherent might dampen effects stemming from factors
active with high levels of incoherency, it can definitely amplify
other effects the EMR might have. A simple example is laser light
which is light with very high levels of coherence.

-B

bbin37

Aug 30, 2006; 5:21pm

NDF & ALA (was Re: coherent space website)

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

>
> > and my colleague Dr. Tim Ray wrote a great article
> > a few years ago for Explore! magazine on detecting and addressing
> > such issues; he calls the syndrome "Low Battery";
>
> Oh yes, I'm quite familiar with Dr. Ray... several years ago I
> went through about 15 ounces of his mercury chelation
> supplement "NDF". In fact, of all the mercury chelation
> supplements I've tried (over 10), NDF seemed to do the most
> good with the least amount of unnecessary side effects
> (the only ones I get from NDF is headache, dehydration,
> metallic-tasting mouth, and strong-smelling urine).
>
> ...and after a several year "break" from taking NDF, I've been
> experimenting with it again lately, as plenty of people have
> asserted that a mercury-free person is an ES-free person...
>
> Marc
>

... [show rest of quote]

I'm glad you mentioned NDF back during the beginning of this group. I
started using NDF in late 2004 after I had my mercury fillings removed
and noticed fluctuating improvement. I stopped for awhile during
another treatment but resumed in 2005. I use it as a replacement for
DMPS/DMSA in a modified Cutler protocol to remove the mercury from my
body. I did NDF for awhile to drop the Hg body load before beginning
use of lipoic acid (ALA) and getting at the Hg brain deposits. I
alternate NDF with taking ALA so they don't interfere with each other,
using ALA to pull out some of the brain Hg one day followed by NDF the
next day to clear out whatever Hg might have redeposited in the body
during ALA's transit through it. I've been having very good reduction
of ES symptoms and good improvement in tolerance of RF. NDF has
really contributed to improving life for me.

Beau

Marc Martin

Aug 30, 2006; 5:56pm

Re: NDF & ALA (was Re: coherent space website)

Administrator

> I've been having very good reduction of ES symptoms and
> good improvement in tolerance of RF. NDF has really
> contributed to improving life for me.

That's great!

My ES symptoms reduced dramatically when I was taking NDF
over the course of a year or two, but I was never 100% sure
that it was the NDF or something else that had helped.
However, in the subsequent years when I was *not* taking
NDF, I see that my ES hasn't improved much at all.
So I'm experimenting with the NDF again to see if this
was the key factor for my earlier improvement.

Note that while taking NDF on a daily basis, I need
to cut back a bit on my use of the Springlife Polarizers,
as I think the polarizers may also have a mercury mobilation/
detox effect.

Marc

Ligure

Aug 30, 2006; 8:01pm

Re: coherent space website

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

I have enjoyed the recent activity here. I have noticed some
commonality between ES symptoms and mercury poisoning symptoms. I
realize that others have pointed out the similarity as well and I just
wanted to chime in with that and a question for those who (like
yourself in some instances) have had a major detox reaction.

The question is:
Do you have amalgam fillings? If you had them removed has the
intensity ofhte detox been lessened?

The reason I ask is because when attempting to detox (through
chelation or otherwise) while still having a major supply of the toxin
mercury in your mouth will produce long term detox problems. The first
thing is to get the source of toxins out of the mouth/environment.
Then do the detox/chelation. Also as you do the detox/chelation do it
in a way that not only loosens the mercury out of the tissues but also
moves it out of your system. Loosening it alone will cause the mercury
to move elsewhere in you body and cause problems there instead. An
example of the protocol I am referring to (to get rid of the source,
loosen and move out) is to remove/replace the amalgam fillings. Then
use one substance (e.g. targeted probiotic, chelating/binging agents,
charcoal, bentonite clay, garlic paste) to move the mercury/toxins out
of the GI tract. After things are moving out well and a detox pathway
is well extablished in the GI tract, then start detoxing the tissues
throughout the body using a stronger chelator or cilantro for
instance. Also continue the GI tract supplement while doing the deeper
tissue chelation.

Quoting Marc Martin <[hidden email]>:

> > and my colleague Dr. Tim Ray wrote a great article
>> a few years ago for Explore! magazine on detecting and addressing
>> such issues; he calls the syndrome "Low Battery";
>
> Oh yes, I'm quite familiar with Dr. Ray... several years ago I
> went through about 15 ounces of his mercury chelation
> supplement "NDF". In fact, of all the mercury chelation
> supplements I've tried (over 10), NDF seemed to do the most
> good with the least amount of unnecessary side effects
> (the only ones I get from NDF is headache, dehydration,
> metallic-tasting mouth, and strong-smelling urine).
>
> ....and after a several year "break" from taking NDF, I've been
> experimenting with it again lately, as plenty of people have
> asserted that a mercury-free person is an ES-free person...
>
> Marc
>

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Marc Martin

Aug 30, 2006; 8:12pm

Re: coherent space website

Administrator

> Do you have amalgam fillings? If you had them removed has the
> intensity ofhte detox been lessened?

I had twenty mercury amalgam fillings back in the 1980's.
Now I have none. After I got chronic fatigue in 2001,
I had the last of my fillings removed (5 of them). Immediately
after they were removed, I went into a huge detox for a couple
weeks. I started taking NDF shortly afterwards.

Marc

snoshoe_2

Aug 30, 2006; 8:27pm

Cats and Tachyon

In reply to this post by Vinny Pinto

Marc's cats finally reminde me of something, I don't know if anyone
has played much with pyramid power?

I knew a fellow who lived with another couple that were experimenting
with that quite some years back. They had one set up in the house to
sit under. I don't recall exactly if they put the cats bed in there
or what, but over a fairly short period, ?weeks or maybe a couple
months, the cat became totally vegetarian and remained so and
healthy. :)

I don't know how that would help you all, but maybe a little pyramid
frame for kittys to escape to would give them relief?

My most noticable good result with tachyon disc is to keep it under
the driver's seat in my car. It makes driving a good bit more
bearable, although still not the niceness it was 20 years ago with
older vehicles, not an almost torture either. The results are
subtle, but I really have noticed a difference than without it.

~ Snoshoe

Had just found a new page about violet flame a couple days ago,
before this new batch of posts, now what did I do with it?

--- In [hidden email], Vinny Pinto <vinny@...> wrote:

>
> I wonder what it is with your cats? Fascinating! My own cat does
> fine, as does my beagle, and several of my customers have cats, and
> the only "cat report" I have heard so far is that some cats become
> entranced with the devices and like being near them....
>
> I wonder if it might be some kind of cleansing, or merely a
> toxic/stressor effect...?

Vinny Pinto

Aug 30, 2006; 8:31pm

Re: coherent space website

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

Hi Marc:

Just a brief reply, as I am facing a busy day and a busy next few
days! Comments below!

>Oh yes, I'm quite familiar with Dr. Ray... several years ago I
>went through about 15 ounces of his mercury chelation
>supplement "NDF". In fact, of all the mercury chelation
>supplements I've tried (over 10), NDF seemed to do the most
>good with the least amount of unnecessary side effects
>(the only ones I get from NDF is headache, dehydration,
>metallic-tasting mouth, and strong-smelling urine).

Yes, NDF sems to be good stuff, and works well for many folks, for a
variety of challenges...

>...and after a several year "break" from taking NDF, I've been
>experimenting with it again lately, as plenty of people have
>asserted that a mercury-free person is an ES-free person...

Hmmm... I suspect that you really meant to say not "mercury-free
person" but rather "persons not carrying a toxic load of mercury" and
that you employed the shorthand which you did for reasons of
brevity... I know of no life form on earth, particularly humans or
mammals, which can be at all mercury-free, as mercury naturally
exists as a trace element almost everywhere on earth and in all life
forms. It only seems to become problematic when it is found in people
(or animals) above certain levels, but it is worth pointing out that
those critical threshold levels for causation of "problems" seem to
vary quite a bit across people, and while part of the variance may be
due to nutritional status, a good part of this variance seems to be
due to genetic factors. My personal bias is that mercury load does
not seem to be too much of a problem so long as the person is getting
sufficient dietary antixidants, has the right beneficial microbes in
their gut, and is ingesting sufficient levels of selenium in their
diet (and sufficient levels of Se are very rare nowadays without
supplementation!)

BTW, for some side notes: I useta (ahem, sorry for the slang term,
but I like the word....) have a very high mercury load, as (and I
have recounted this elsewhere on the web at times) I useta have 48
amalgam filings from age 20 thru age 37, and at least 30 amalgam
fillings from age 9 on up. And, being a junior scientist nutcase
while in my grossly dysfunctional but very much fun childhood, I also
played a lot with mercury as a kid, and always spilled mercury on the
bedroom floor (which hardly mattered, as a denstist had operated from
our house many years before my parents bought it, so it already had a
high Hg load...!) I had all my amalgams pulled between 1987 and 1994,
and I feel that it was very much a worthwhile endeavor; I am
extremely glad that I did it. All tests since about 2002, including
both mainstream tests and assays by intuitives who are experienced in
this type of measure seem to indicate that my total body load of Hg
is totally in the normal range nowadays, but I spent years up till
that point doing various things to help it along its way to exit my body!

And, for a bit of thought-provoking controversy: a number of raw
foodists (I mean here the kind who eat animal foods, as do I) and raw
foods gurus with whom I am in contact feel that mercury occurring in
raw fish is harmless to humans so long as the fish is eaten raw, and
as part of a largely-raw diet, and that in fact it is probably
beneficial. In fact, I know of one group of raw foodists in Hawaii
who eat largely raw fish, and, when several of them allowed
themselves to be tested for body mercury levels a few years ago
(about 2001 or 2002), their Hg levels came back as off-the-scale
(i.e., very very high...!) and yet they were each in robust health,
with no symptoms or problems of any kind! Go figure!

with care,
--Vinny

Vinny Pinto
[hidden email]

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
http://www.vinnypinto.us

Marc Martin

Aug 30, 2006; 8:56pm

Re: mercury-free

Administrator

> Hmmm... I suspect that you really meant to say not "mercury-free
> person" but rather "persons not carrying a toxic load of mercury"

Yes, "reducing my toxic load" would be a more accurate term.
I don't even know for sure that it is mercury, but I'm still
getting strong detox reactions after taking certain chelation
supplements (NDF, PCA-Rx, Natural Cellular Defense,
Aulterra, etc).

As for getting enough selenium, is there a preferred source
(food or supplement?). I tried Brazil nuts last year, but
they made me feel terrible...

Marc

Vinny Pinto

Aug 30, 2006; 9:11pm

Re: coherent space website

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

Hi Marc:

Regarding what you wrote below, namely:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
However, in your description of your coherent space devices, I believe
that you said that the devices take incoherent radiation and turn
it into coherent radiation? So if I'm sitting in front of a 21" CRT
monitor with it's elevated radiation levels, I'm now going to be
exposed to elevated levels of coherent radiation, correct? That seems
like it would be a much different experience than being in the
middle of nowhere, which would have minimal levels of incoherent
radiation.
~~~~~~~~~~~~

No, that is not literally true, and particularly not true for
classical Hertzian EMF fields. However, the full answer would take me
a few paragraphs, and am too busy right now in the lab (where my cat,
Isis, has decided that she is my Chief Scientist and thus insists on
helping me with everything that I do in there...), but will try to
write a longer and meaningful reply on this topic sometime after
Saturday afternoon, when most of my projects should be done...

with care,
--Vinny

At 10:40 AM 8/30/2006, you wrote:

> > 2) any effects noted due to removal of some or most of the harmful
> > effects of EMF should be rather similar to the effects noted from
> > moving to an extremely remote forested area which is very far removed
> > from the AC power grid and from the vast majority of radio and TV
> > transmitting towers and cellular and microwave towers.
>
>Yes, that certainly would be nice. All of the EMF protection devices
>I've ever tried seem to add their own unique energy to the environment,
>which is quite different from going to "the middle of nowhere".
>
>However, in your description of your coherent space devices, I believe
>that you said that the devices take incoherent radiation and turn
>it into coherent radiation? So if I'm sitting in front of a 21" CRT
>monitor with it's elevated radiation levels, I'm now going to be
>exposed to elevated levels of coherent radiation, correct? That seems
>like it would be a much different experience than being in the
>middle of nowhere, which would have minimal levels of incoherent
>radiation.
>
>Marc
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Vinny Pinto
[hidden email]

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
http://www.vinnypinto.us

Vinny Pinto

Aug 30, 2006; 9:20pm

Re: mercury-free

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

Hi Marc:

Quick note.... comments below!

At 04:56 PM 8/30/2006, you wrote:
> > Hmmm... I suspect that you really meant to say not "mercury-free
> > person" but rather "persons not carrying a toxic load of mercury"
>
>Yes, "reducing my toxic load" would be a more accurate term.

Yep!

>I don't even know for sure that it is mercury, but I'm still
>getting strong detox reactions after taking certain chelation
>supplements (NDF, PCA-Rx, Natural Cellular Defense,
>Aulterra, etc).

You know, my own personal opinion is that at least a number of these
products might produce some symptoms anyway, even in someone largely
free of toxic metals, because I suspect that most of them may grab
other minerals and trace elements as well...

>As for getting enough selenium, is there a preferred source
>(food or supplement?). I tried Brazil nuts last year, but
>they made me feel terrible...

I prefer organically-bound selenium only, such as selenomethionine or
yeast-bound/extracted selenium. I believe I take the former, and
believe it or not, I supplement with at least 600 to 800 mcg of
organic selenium per day -- and at times I take even more -- and I
have done so for years, and I just feel better and better!

Oh, remind me to tell you sometime about the 2 month period in 1999
when I ingested 10 to 25 capsules of MegaH per day, along with a
gallon of so-called "alkaline ionized water" (really best referenced
as Electrolyzed Reduced Water"), from a bulk ionizer, with an ORP of
below -500, every day...

with care,
--Vinny

Vinny Pinto
[hidden email]

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
http://www.vinnypinto.us

Ian Kemp

Aug 30, 2006; 9:46pm

RE: coherent space website / detox and amalgams

In reply to this post by Ligure

I'll add a warning, with apologies to those who have seen it before; if you
have mercury amalgams removed, beware that the act of removal will produce a
short-term exposure far higher than any normal load due to the mercury
vapour boiled off, even if all proper precautions are taken by the dentist
(rubber dams, vacuum). Ensure that you have a very good detox protocol
prepared for the period around the removal. If your immune system is
sufficiently low not to detox properly, to be sensitive to mercury from
amalgams and to be implicated in ES, it is certainly sensitive enough to be
severely harmed by amalgam removal, especially if the vapour gets into the
bloodstream and penetrates the blood-brain barrier.

Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Ligure
Sent: 30 August 2006 21:01
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] coherent space website

I have enjoyed the recent activity here. I have noticed some
commonality between ES symptoms and mercury poisoning symptoms. I
realize that others have pointed out the similarity as well and I just
wanted to chime in with that and a question for those who (like
yourself in some instances) have had a major detox reaction.

The question is:
Do you have amalgam fillings? If you had them removed has the
intensity ofhte detox been lessened?

The reason I ask is because when attempting to detox (through
chelation or otherwise) while still having a major supply of the toxin
mercury in your mouth will produce long term detox problems. The first
thing is to get the source of toxins out of the mouth/environment.
Then do the detox/chelation. Also as you do the detox/chelation do it
in a way that not only loosens the mercury out of the tissues but also
moves it out of your system. Loosening it alone will cause the mercury
to move elsewhere in you body and cause problems there instead. An
example of the protocol I am referring to (to get rid of the source,
loosen and move out) is to remove/replace the amalgam fillings. Then
use one substance (e.g. targeted probiotic, chelating/binging agents,
charcoal, bentonite clay, garlic paste) to move the mercury/toxins out
of the GI tract. After things are moving out well and a detox pathway
is well extablished in the GI tract, then start detoxing the tissues
throughout the body using a stronger chelator or cilantro for
instance. Also continue the GI tract supplement while doing the deeper
tissue chelation.

Quoting Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com> com>:

... [show rest of quote]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Phyllicia Hutchinson

Sep 02, 2006; 6:53pm

Re: coherent space website / detox and amalgams

--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> I'll add a warning, with apologies to those who have seen it before;
if you
> have mercury amalgams removed, beware that the act of removal will
produce a
> short-term exposure far higher than any normal load due to the mercury
> vapour boiled off, even if all proper precautions are taken by the
dentist
> (rubber dams, vacuum). Ensure that you have a very good detox protocol
> prepared for the period around the removal. If your immune system is
> sufficiently low not to detox properly, to be sensitive to mercury from
> amalgams and to be implicated in ES, it is certainly sensitive
enough to be
> severely harmed by amalgam removal, especially if the vapour gets
into the

> bloodstream and penetrates the blood-brain barrier.
>
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Ligure
> Sent: 30 August 2006 21:01
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] coherent space website
>
>
>
> I have enjoyed the recent activity here. I have noticed some
> commonality between ES symptoms and mercury poisoning symptoms. I
> realize that others have pointed out the similarity as well and I just
> wanted to chime in with that and a question for those who (like
> yourself in some instances) have had a major detox reaction.
>
> The question is:
> Do you have amalgam fillings? If you had them removed has the
> intensity ofhte detox been lessened?
>
> The reason I ask is because when attempting to detox (through
> chelation or otherwise) while still having a major supply of the toxin
> mercury in your mouth will produce long term detox problems. The first
> thing is to get the source of toxins out of the mouth/environment.
> Then do the detox/chelation. Also as you do the detox/chelation do it
> in a way that not only loosens the mercury out of the tissues but also
> moves it out of your system. Loosening it alone will cause the mercury
> to move elsewhere in you body and cause problems there instead. An
> example of the protocol I am referring to (to get rid of the source,
> loosen and move out) is to remove/replace the amalgam fillings. Then
> use one substance (e.g. targeted probiotic, chelating/binging agents,
> charcoal, bentonite clay, garlic paste) to move the mercury/toxins out
> of the GI tract. After things are moving out well and a detox pathway
> is well extablished in the GI tract, then start detoxing the tissues
> throughout the body using a stronger chelator or cilantro for
> instance. Also continue the GI tract supplement while doing the deeper
> tissue chelation.
>
> Quoting Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com> com>:
>
> > > and my colleague Dr. Tim Ray wrote a great article
> >> a few years ago for Explore! magazine on detecting and addressing
> >> such issues; he calls the syndrome "Low Battery";
> >
> > Oh yes, I'm quite familiar with Dr. Ray... several years ago I
> > went through about 15 ounces of his mercury chelation
> > supplement "NDF". In fact, of all the mercury chelation
> > supplements I've tried (over 10), NDF seemed to do the most
> > good with the least amount of unnecessary side effects
> > (the only ones I get from NDF is headache, dehydration,
> > metallic-tasting mouth, and strong-smelling urine).
> >
> > ....and after a several year "break" from taking NDF, I've been
> > experimenting with it again lately, as plenty of people have
> > asserted that a mercury-free person is an ES-free person...
> >
> > Marc
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

... [show rest of quote]

Phyllicia Hutchinson

Sep 02, 2006; 7:00pm

Re: coherent space website / detox and amalgams

In reply to this post by Ian Kemp

---
I had all of the mercury fillings removed from my mouth the proper way
with the rubber dam and all about eight years ago. My Homeopathic
physician told me what my dentist hadn't, which was one needed to
clear the system of the mercury that was still in the body or symptoms
of mercury poisoning would get worse. The Homeopathic physician
instructed me that I should eat plenty of Cilantro, take Chorella
capsules and eat plenty of eggs, in order to bind with the mercury
and completely remove it from my body. He also said that it would
take about two years to completely remove it. I followed his protocol,
and all symptoms of mercury poisoning are gone.

I am getting a blood test in about two weeks. Thanks for the
reminder about mercury, I think I will get tested for heavy
metals in addition to other things I will be tested for. It
should be interesting to see if the mercury is gone.
Phylliciah

In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> I'll add a warning, with apologies to those who have seen it before;
if you
> have mercury amalgams removed, beware that the act of removal will
produce a
> short-term exposure far higher than any normal load due to the mercury
> vapour boiled off, even if all proper precautions are taken by the
dentist
> (rubber dams, vacuum). Ensure that you have a very good detox protocol
> prepared for the period around the removal. If your immune system is
> sufficiently low not to detox properly, to be sensitive to mercury from
> amalgams and to be implicated in ES, it is certainly sensitive
enough to be
> severely harmed by amalgam removal, especially if the vapour gets
into the

... [show rest of quote]

denom

Sep 02, 2006; 7:25pm

Re: coherent space website / detox and amalgams

Some people in other groups that I subscribe to would say never to use the chorella because it has only one thiol and two are need to remove the mercury from the body. They also say not to use cilantro because they don't know how it works but they admit it does get mercury out of the brain. I've tried many different things to detox mercury. I juiced cilantro for a year.And I'd juice a lot at a time. It definitely did a lot for me but it doesn't compare to taking ALA. If the mercury has impared your brain functioning like memory and the ability to recall and find the right words you wantthen ALA is the way to go. I was never as bad as Snoeshoe was and I didn't have to right down my address in case I forgot it. But I was so bad at one time that when I would pull into a fuel station to get fuel (I am a truck driver), in order to remember my mileage which I needed to have the pump turned on, I would have to repeat the number over and over again in order not to forget it. My memory has so much improved since I started using the ALA about six months ago. I would also recommend LL Clays and clay wraps. The clays are negatively charged and this is supposed to be what pulls toxins into the clays. The toxins are supposed to be positively charged. I've got great results from making belts with domino sized magnets with the negative side facing the body. I wrap the clays with these belts to hold theclays in place. My reasoning is that they say that if you use a thicker clay pad it increases the pulling power. So why not just use magnets? The theory behind the detox foot pads is that the body pushes the toxins away from the vital organs and down into the legs and feet. So I did the clay wraps around the calfs of my legs and would leave them on for as long as a day and a half. This is the fastest way I have found to detox the body but in order to heal the brain I have to also use the ALA according to the Andy Cutler protocol. I also where a clay wrap on my forehead when I sleep at night. It is kept in place with a magnet belt. My brain is crystal clear now when I wake up. No more brain fog.
----- Original Message -----
From: phylliciah
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 2:00 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: coherent space website / detox and amalgams

---
I had all of the mercury fillings removed from my mouth the proper way
with the rubber dam and all about eight years ago. My Homeopathic
physician told me what my dentist hadn't, which was one needed to
clear the system of the mercury that was still in the body or symptoms
of mercury poisoning would get worse. The Homeopathic physician
instructed me that I should eat plenty of Cilantro, take Chorella
capsules and eat plenty of eggs, in order to bind with the mercury
and completely remove it from my body. He also said that it would
take about two years to completely remove it. I followed his protocol,
and all symptoms of mercury poisoning are gone.

I am getting a blood test in about two weeks. Thanks for the
reminder about mercury, I think I will get tested for heavy
metals in addition to other things I will be tested for. It
should be interesting to see if the mercury is gone.
Phylliciah

In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> I'll add a warning, with apologies to those who have seen it before;
if you
> have mercury amalgams removed, beware that the act of removal will
produce a
> short-term exposure far higher than any normal load due to the mercury
> vapour boiled off, even if all proper precautions are taken by the
dentist
> (rubber dams, vacuum). Ensure that you have a very good detox protocol
> prepared for the period around the removal. If your immune system is
> sufficiently low not to detox properly, to be sensitive to mercury from
> amalgams and to be implicated in ES, it is certainly sensitive
enough to be
> severely harmed by amalgam removal, especially if the vapour gets
into the

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Marc Martin

Sep 02, 2006; 9:51pm

Re: mercury, cilantro, chlorella, ALA

Administrator

> Some people in other groups that I subscribe to would say never to use
> the chorella because it has only one thiol and two are need to remove
> the mercury from the body.

Chorella is something that typically does give me a bad reaction,
although NDF (which contains chlorella) seems okay if I'm very
careful not to take too much.

> They also say not to use cilantro because they don't know how it
> works

That's kind of silly reason -- I think there are many things
in the world that "we don't know how it works", but neverless
they work, which is good enough for me.
> It definitely did a lot for me but it doesn't compare to taking ALA. If
> the mercury has impared your brain functioning like memory and the
> ability to recall and find the right words you want then ALA is the way
> to go.

from what I've read in the past, ALA is simply an mercury mobilizer.
That is, it doesn't bind to mercury and guarantee elimination from
the body. Is that your understanding as well? If this is the case,
then it would have to be combined with something to get the mercury
out of the body (chlorella, algin, pectin, etc.). My favorite
binder of mercury is Mega-H, although there seems to be little
to no supporting research that it actually binds and removes
mercury from the body (it's just my impression that it does!)

If ALA does indeed bind and eliminate mercury from the body (and
not simply mobilizes it into the bloodstream), then somebody
please confirm that for me, and I'll purchase a bottle!

Marc

Ligure

Sep 03, 2006; 12:25am

Re: coherent space website / detox and amalgams

In reply to this post by denom

So, by ALA do you mean alpha lipoic acid? If so, then I agree with you.
I tried ALA for about a month and had a comfortable detox of oxidants. I
was not aware that mercury was an oxidant.

I have read somewhere that chlorella is one of the things that helps to
remove the mercury once it is in the GI tract. Cilantro loosens it up
from your tissue (including brain which is slow to detox) but does not
necessarily flush it out. Chlorella would supply this function.

Ligure

denom wrote:

>
> Some people in other groups that I subscribe to would say never to use
> the chorella because it has only one thiol and two are need to remove
> the mercury from the body. They also say not to use cilantro because
> they don't know how it works but they admit it does get mercury out of
> the brain. I've tried many different things to detox mercury. I juiced
> cilantro for a year. And I'd juice a lot at a time. It definitely did
> a lot for me but it doesn't compare to taking ALA. If the mercury has
> impared your brain functioning like memory and the ability to recall
> and find the right words you want then ALA is the way to go. I was
> never as bad as Snoeshoe was and I didn't have to right down my
> address in case I forgot it. But I was so bad at one time that when I
> would pull into a fuel station to get fuel (I am a truck driver), in
> order to remember my mileage which I needed to have the pump turned
> on, I would have to repeat the number over and over again in order not
> to forget it. My memory has so much improved since I started using the
> ALA about six months ago. I would also recommend LL Clays and clay
> wraps. The clays are negatively charged and this is supposed to be
> what pulls toxins into the clays. The toxins are supposed to be
> positively charged. I've got great results from making belts with
> domino sized magnets with the negative side facing the body. I wrap
> the clays with these belts to hold the clays in place. My reasoning is
> that they say that if you use a thicker clay pad it increases the
> pulling power. So why not just use magnets? The theory behind the
> detox foot pads is that the body pushes the toxins away from the vital
> organs and down into the legs and feet. So I did the clay wraps around
> the calfs of my legs and would leave them on for as long as a day and
> a half. This is the fastest way I have found to detox the body but in
> order to heal the brain I have to also use the ALA according to the
> Andy Cutler protocol. I also where a clay wrap on my forehead when I
> sleep at night. It is kept in place with a magnet belt. My brain is
> crystal clear now when I wake up. No more brain fog.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: phylliciah
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 2:00 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: coherent space website / detox and amalgams
>
> ---
> I had all of the mercury fillings removed from my mouth the proper way
> with the rubber dam and all about eight years ago. My Homeopathic
> physician told me what my dentist hadn't, which was one needed to
> clear the system of the mercury that was still in the body or symptoms
> of mercury poisoning would get worse. The Homeopathic physician
> instructed me that I should eat plenty of Cilantro, take Chorella
> capsules and eat plenty of eggs, in order to bind with the mercury
> and completely remove it from my body. He also said that it would
> take about two years to completely remove it. I followed his protocol,
> and all symptoms of mercury poisoning are gone.
>
> I am getting a blood test in about two weeks. Thanks for the
> reminder about mercury, I think I will get tested for heavy
> metals in addition to other things I will be tested for. It
> should be interesting to see if the mercury is gone.
> Phylliciah
>
> In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Ian Kemp"
> <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
> >
> > I'll add a warning, with apologies to those who have seen it before;
> if you
> > have mercury amalgams removed, beware that the act of removal will
> produce a
> > short-term exposure far higher than any normal load due to the mercury
> > vapour boiled off, even if all proper precautions are taken by the
> dentist
> > (rubber dams, vacuum). Ensure that you have a very good detox protocol
> > prepared for the period around the removal. If your immune system is
> > sufficiently low not to detox properly, to be sensitive to mercury from
> > amalgams and to be implicated in ES, it is certainly sensitive
> enough to be
> > severely harmed by amalgam removal, especially if the vapour gets
> into the
> > bloodstream and penetrates the blood-brain barrier.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of
> > Ligure
> > Sent: 30 August 2006 21:01
> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] coherent space website
> >
> >
> >
> > I have enjoyed the recent activity here. I have noticed some
> > commonality between ES symptoms and mercury poisoning symptoms. I
> > realize that others have pointed out the similarity as well and I just
> > wanted to chime in with that and a question for those who (like
> > yourself in some instances) have had a major detox reaction.
> >
> > The question is:
> > Do you have amalgam fillings? If you had them removed has the
> > intensity ofhte detox been lessened?
> >
> > The reason I ask is because when attempting to detox (through
> > chelation or otherwise) while still having a major supply of the toxin
> > mercury in your mouth will produce long term detox problems. The first
> > thing is to get the source of toxins out of the mouth/environment.
> > Then do the detox/chelation. Also as you do the detox/chelation do it
> > in a way that not only loosens the mercury out of the tissues but also
> > moves it out of your system. Loosening it alone will cause the mercury
> > to move elsewhere in you body and cause problems there instead. An
> > example of the protocol I am referring to (to get rid of the source,
> > loosen and move out) is to remove/replace the amalgam fillings. Then
> > use one substance (e.g. targeted probiotic, chelating/binging agents,
> > charcoal, bentonite clay, garlic paste) to move the mercury/toxins out
> > of the GI tract. After things are moving out well and a detox pathway
> > is well extablished in the GI tract, then start detoxing the tissues
> > throughout the body using a stronger chelator or cilantro for
> > instance. Also continue the GI tract supplement while doing the deeper
> > tissue chelation.
> >
> > Quoting Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com> com>:
> >
> > > > and my colleague Dr. Tim Ray wrote a great article
> > >> a few years ago for Explore! magazine on detecting and addressing
> > >> such issues; he calls the syndrome "Low Battery";
> > >
> > > Oh yes, I'm quite familiar with Dr. Ray... several years ago I
> > > went through about 15 ounces of his mercury chelation
> > > supplement "NDF". In fact, of all the mercury chelation
> > > supplements I've tried (over 10), NDF seemed to do the most
> > > good with the least amount of unnecessary side effects
> > > (the only ones I get from NDF is headache, dehydration,
> > > metallic-tasting mouth, and strong-smelling urine).
> > >
> > > ....and after a several year "break" from taking NDF, I've been
> > > experimenting with it again lately, as plenty of people have
> > > asserted that a mercury-free person is an ES-free person...
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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denom

Sep 03, 2006; 1:54am

Re: mercury, cilantro, chlorella, ALA

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] mercury, cilantro, chlorella, ALA

>
> They also say not to use cilantro because they don't know how it
> works

That's kind of silly reason -- I think there are many things
in the world that "we don't know how it works", but neverless
they work, which is good enough for me.

I agree with you. I don't use cilantro but very rarely these days. It does something that is definitely for sure. It seems to me that juicing cilantro did a lot for my emotions. It had quite an effect on the way I felt.Whereas ALA does a lot for my cognitive abilities. ALA removes other substances besides mercury. Probably the same is true for cilantro. It may be that they don't remove all the same stuff and that could explain possiblywhy they don't make you feel the same. Or maybe they work on different parts of the brain. Just speculation.

from what I've read in the past, ALA is simply an mercury mobilizer.
That is, it doesn't bind to mercury and guarantee elimination from
the body. Is that your understanding as well? If this is the case,
then it would have to be combined with something to get the mercury
out of the body (chlorella, algin, pectin, etc.). My favorite
binder of mercury is Mega-H, although there seems to be little
to no supporting research that it actually binds and removes
mercury from the body (it's just my impression that it does!)

If ALA does indeed bind and eliminate mercury from the body (and
not simply mobilizes it into the bloodstream), then somebody
please confirm that for me, and I'll purchase a bottle!

They will tell you just the opposite in the frequent dose chelation group. ALA has two thiols and binds tightly to the mercury whereas something like chlorella has only one thiol and may just move it around and deposit it somewhere else in the body. I don't do my rounds exactly the way they do in that group. I experimented and break the rules but only because I get better results taking huge amounts for shorter periods than taking very smalldoses for longer periods. I'm currently doing a round at 400 mg ALA everytwo hours. The round will last only a day or a day and a half. Once I start getting symptoms I stop. I make huge gains on rounds when I use very high doses. Many people in that group only do like 12.5 mg every three hours and every four hours at night. The rounds are suppose to last a minimum of 72 hrs as I understand it. It was pretty rough at first but now I don'thave near the symptom I used to have when doing rounds.

Marc

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Jean-2

Sep 04, 2006; 12:49pm

Re: coherent space website

In reply to this post by charles-4

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
...
>
> But mark, electrosensibles may react starting at levels if 1 uW/m2;
some
> even at 0,1 uW/m2.
> When they encounter 100 uW/m2, life is hell for them.
> And recovery of illnesses is nearly impossible.

I agree with that. I have a spectran (I know it's not that reliable).
And I ended up to the conclusion that as long as it is higher than
1uW/m2 this is a problem for me, and better if it is below 0.5uW/m2.
20 to 40 uW/m2 is already a difficult area for me.

I want to move out of this place, but not possible at the moment. And
then there are so many places with EMF smog nowadays, it's getting
difficult.

Also I read the post about memory problems. It rings a bell.

jean.

Vinny Pinto

Sep 04, 2006; 1:28pm

Re: coherent space website

Hi Jean and folks:

And, it might be worthwhile at this point to reiterate what I have
written before: the fact of the matter is that no so-called EMF
meter, even if it is billed as a trifield meter or portable EMF
survey spectrum analyzer, can realy measure more than a tiny
percentage of the manmade EM fields, magnetic fields, and electrical
fields present in an environment. This is not due to some kind of
conspiracy, nor is it due to deception or penny-pinching on the part
of the manufacturers and vendors, but rather due to the incredible
engineering feat it would take to sense and measure acurately even
60% of such fields, particularly in a portable meter, and, if it
could be done, such a meter would, of necessity, likely cost upwards
of $90,000 and would likely weight six pounds!

with care,
--Vinny

At 08:49 AM 9/4/2006, you wrote:

>--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>...
> >
> > But mark, electrosensibles may react starting at levels if 1 uW/m2;
>some
> > even at 0,1 uW/m2.
> > When they encounter 100 uW/m2, life is hell for them.
> > And recovery of illnesses is nearly impossible.
>
>
>I agree with that. I have a spectran (I know it's not that reliable).
>And I ended up to the conclusion that as long as it is higher than
>1uW/m2 this is a problem for me, and better if it is below 0.5uW/m2.
>20 to 40 uW/m2 is already a difficult area for me.
>
>I want to move out of this place, but not possible at the moment. And
>then there are so many places with EMF smog nowadays, it's getting
>difficult.
>
>Also I read the post about memory problems. It rings a bell.
>
>jean.

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charles-4

Sep 04, 2006; 1:40pm

Re: coherent space website

Hello Vinny,

I disagree with you here.

A Trifieldmeter is a very rough meter, not suitable for building biological
surveys.
Especially the Standard baubiologische Messtechnik 2003.
(To meet those requirements, a special trifield meter was developed)

However, I do posses several meters, which can just do that, and can detect
even very small amounts of radiation of elektrosmog, which persons may harm.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Vinny Pinto" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 15:28
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: coherent space website

> Hi Jean and folks:
>
> And, it might be worthwhile at this point to reiterate what I have
> written before: the fact of the matter is that no so-called EMF
> meter, even if it is billed as a trifield meter or portable EMF
> survey spectrum analyzer, can realy measure more than a tiny
> percentage of the manmade EM fields, magnetic fields, and electrical
> fields present in an environment. This is not due to some kind of
> conspiracy, nor is it due to deception or penny-pinching on the part
> of the manufacturers and vendors, but rather due to the incredible
> engineering feat it would take to sense and measure acurately even
> 60% of such fields, particularly in a portable meter, and, if it
> could be done, such a meter would, of necessity, likely cost upwards
> of $90,000 and would likely weight six pounds!
>
> with care,
> --Vinny
>
> At 08:49 AM 9/4/2006, you wrote:
>>--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>>...
>> >
>> > But mark, electrosensibles may react starting at levels if 1 uW/m2;
>>some
>> > even at 0,1 uW/m2.
>> > When they encounter 100 uW/m2, life is hell for them.
>> > And recovery of illnesses is nearly impossible.
>>
>>
>>I agree with that. I have a spectran (I know it's not that reliable).
>>And I ended up to the conclusion that as long as it is higher than
>>1uW/m2 this is a problem for me, and better if it is below 0.5uW/m2.
>>20 to 40 uW/m2 is already a difficult area for me.
>>
>>I want to move out of this place, but not possible at the moment. And
>>then there are so many places with EMF smog nowadays, it's getting
>>difficult.
>>
>>Also I read the post about memory problems. It rings a bell.
>>
>>jean.
>
>
> Vinny Pinto
> [hidden email]
>
> phone 301-694-1249
>
> To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
> http://www.vinnypinto.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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